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Speaker 3: On the eleventh of May this year, title forty two

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Speaker 3: They kept Title forty two in place for every single

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Speaker 3: On the ground. This assistant and planning didn't exactly meet

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Speaker 9: There were parts where we were extorted they took all

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Speaker 3: I asked Diana what she hoped for now she was

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Speaker 9: Yes, let's say the hope is that they will listen

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Speaker 3: Before we started recording, Deanna asked what network I was with.

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Speaker 9: If there are many people who, let's say, are in

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Speaker 9: We have a saying in Columbia that says that he

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Speaker 9: But where we come from, we receive travelers with open arms.

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Speaker 9: And it's hard when one is a migrant, when one

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Speaker 9: So yes, the important thing is that people must know

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Speaker 3: One of her friends who she was sharing a top with,

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Speaker 9: Everyone despairs because everyone wants to leave, so everyone sees

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Speaker 4: No, it's just me and my sister. We suffered a lot.

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Speaker 4: There were bandits. We came here to be safe. It's

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Speaker 3: We didn't get it ants to talk for long, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gott amps up.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know it's leg John is going on yelling

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Speaker 3: I asked him about some of the stuff we spoke

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Speaker 1: That's the whole testimony to me and you and God

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Speaker 3: Okay, buddy, just experienced a lot of personal harm from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's rough. It's rough out there, man, you know

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Speaker 3: How did you come like you come? I asked him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you how's he finding it here in the camp?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what it's working here because you guys give it

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Speaker 3: You know, Joseph wanted me to know that he wasn't

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Speaker 1: Isn't that like I'm giving away my home? My home

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Speaker 3: Of course, his perspective is very common, and it's one

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Speaker 3: In your life, livapoo. Joseph was quite guided with his story,

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Speaker 3: maybe I'd made a mistake on a form or missed

436
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: some kind of deadline. Speaking of deadlines, what none of

437
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: the migrants could tell us, what they all wanted to

438
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: ask about was exactly what was happening to them as

439
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 3: Title forty two expired. A Congolese lady asked me if

440
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: her passport would be confiscated. A lady from Senegal asked

441
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: if she needed to pay a bribe like the one

442
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: she'd paid in Mexico. It wasn't really clear at first

443
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: if these people were being detained and under what process

444
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: they were being received. Would they be sent back to

445
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: Mexico and a Title forty two, repatriated under Biden's interpretation

446
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: of Title eight or given the right to plead their

447
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: case as international and US law suggests should be able to.

448
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: CBP made people sit in lines all day with no

449
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: indication of when they would be taken to the porta

450
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: Entry for processing. Sometimes I heard people saying if everyone

451
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: didn't sit down, there'll be nobody processed that day. But

452
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: the only food, water, and medical attention available to the

453
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: migrants with ZAK which could be passed through the wall,

454
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: and they had to get out of their lines to

455
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: receive this aye. I'll let Kaber describe what this looked like.

456
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 7: They had people waiting in lines the whole like you're

457
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 7: to sit in a line in a specific assigned spot.

458
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 7: But it wasn't always clear if those how those lines

459
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 7: actually worked.

460
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 6: Because they would kind of take people from lots of places.

461
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 7: I think they might have been prioritizing family with children,

462
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 7: or people with some kind of medical.

463
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 6: Needs or something like that.

464
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 7: But we would you would never know when they were

465
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 7: going to come, and we didn't seem to know also

466
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 7: that who they were going to choose to take.

467
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 6: We assume we didn't know exactly.

468
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 7: Where we were taking them, but we assume they were

469
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 7: taking the Port of Venture in Sannes ce Tour, which

470
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 7: is about a mile away. And so what would always

471
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 7: happen when they come and get a group is like

472
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 7: three or four people from that group would sprint over

473
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 7: to the world because we still had their phones and

474
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 7: cdpeople wasn't going to wait for us to get the phones.

475
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: One thing a lot of people we talked to shared

476
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: was that there was another camp, which we later found

477
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: how is as many as eight hundred single men. It's

478
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 3: fairly usual to keep single men apart from family, but

479
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: keeping them in an inaccessible place without adequate food or

480
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: water is not usual. The camp was further west, and

481
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: despite repeated requests from myself and others, including those delivering aid,

482
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: we were not allowed to access it. One pair of

483
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: Jamaican twins, both young men, told me they had walked

484
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 3: up there and that things were very bad. People were

485
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: only given one small water bottom the granola bar every day,

486
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: they said. One person told me they'd heard people eating grass.

487
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: I asked CBP's press office for information on this, but

488
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: they didn't respond. Here's one clip of a man trying

489
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: to explain how bad things were there. It's hard to

490
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: communicate across language barriers, and with a war between you

491
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: is even harder. But I could tell he was very

492
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: concerned for the folks that we couldn't get to, despite

493
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: myself and others trying and me addressing this issue directly

494
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: and emails to CBP, and never got any response on

495
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: why people were not allowed to help the single men

496
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: in the other camp.

497
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: Just not helping. What little water?

498
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: Nothing else, no food, no water, blankets, blows nothing.

499
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: I'll go try and go up there.

500
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Even with these camps being pretty desperate places, folks look

501
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: after one another. We spoke a lot with one lady

502
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: who spoke English. She was there with her own family,

503
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: but she was also looking after two Tagi children who'd

504
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: come alone. Their mother spoke a little English, so she

505
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 3: relayed news to the children by calling their mother and

506
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: having her translated for her children. Other folks took it

507
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: upon themselves to try and walk to the camp for

508
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: single men with water, and people constantly helped us find

509
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: the owners of phone Boy, wandering through the rows of

510
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: people sheltering under taps and space blankets to look for

511
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: people who had left us their devices to charge in Nukumber,

512
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: a town an hour or so east of San die,

513
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: things were worse. Cumber's home to a cute hotel, a

514
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: lovely lake, a hot spring, and an awful lot of

515
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: big rugs. When the border wall was being built in

516
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: Earnest before the twenty twenty election, they skipped some of

517
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: the harder areas. Perhaps they figured it would be too

518
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: hard to cross there, it's not Perhaps they wanted to

519
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: maximize the mileage before election day. Well, it didn't help much,

520
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: but either way, for some reason, the wall just takes

521
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 3: a little break in Hucumber, and this makes crossing marginally

522
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: easier there. However, the boulder fields, scorching hot days and

523
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: cold nights make it anything but easy. On Thursday night,

524
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: the eleventh of May, locals in a Cumber became aware

525
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: that CBP were holding people on a dirt road in

526
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: the open desert, just a few miles east of town

527
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: and a few hundred feet from the wall. The people

528
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: held they didn't have access to toilets, running water, or shelter.

529
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: With every hour that went past, the number of people grew.

530
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: The biggest camp soon held over a thousand people desperately

531
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 3: trying to scratch out a little shade in the desert.

532
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: All accounts popped up. One was apparently in someone's yard,

533
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: and the people of this tiny desert town so about

534
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 3: helping as best they could. Soon they were joined by

535
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: volunteers from all over the county. Katie was one of

536
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: those volunteers. She doesn't live in a Cumber, but her

537
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: friends do and her family sometimes spends time there. Once

538
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 3: she heard about what was happening, she knew she had

539
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: to help. I let her describe her feelings after she

540
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: saw the post online, and then drove out to Cumber

541
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: to see what she could do to help.

542
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 8: At first, I was just super touched by the activation

543
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 8: and the carrying, and my son was asleep, comfortable in

544
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 8: his car seat, you know, in our Mercedes van. And

545
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 8: my husband is still trying to get citizenship after being

546
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 8: here since he was two years old. So and we're

547
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 8: married and he pays taxes. And when I saw our

548
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 8: friends activating, I just told him tomorrow's Mother's Day and

549
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 8: I need to come back here, and it's not safe

550
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 8: for you here. So when I first arrived, I thought

551
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 8: it was kind of odd that everything was organized around

552
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 8: a random road that has a gate, and there were five,

553
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 8: only five border patrol at the time, and about that

554
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 8: was a larger camp, so I want to say at

555
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 8: least eight hundred people, maybe a thousand. I didn't see

556
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 8: them all because many of them would received their donations

557
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 8: and the assistance and went back to their shelters.

558
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: A few days after the migrants arrived, I camped out

559
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: in Hucumber. I was cold in my sleeping bag at

560
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: night and dizzy in the sun in the day. It's

561
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: not a place where you'd want to be stuck outside

562
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: the long but it's a place where fifteen hundred or

563
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: so people were held for days little more than the shelters.

564
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: They are built out of creosota and mesquite to protect

565
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: their families from the elements. They slept on the dirt

566
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: or in cardboard boxes left over from the food volunteers

567
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: fed them and under whatever folks and tiny desert count

568
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: could find to give them. By the time I arrived,

569
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: the migrants were gone and volunteers were cleaning up. The

570
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: landscape was dotted with impressively constructed brush shelters. Volunteers from

571
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: her Cumber set up tables to distribute food, blankets, water,

572
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: and clothing. Other volunteers stayed away from the camp itself

573
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: and spent time packing things into individual sizes, perhaps combining

574
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: hats and socks and maybe a toy for a child

575
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: in one bag, or breaking down costco packages of snacks

576
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: into individual portions. It's not necessarily the most rewarding task,

577
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: but it's an important one. I asked Marissa, another volunteer

578
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: who had previously worked in San Diego for the Forest Service,

579
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: what she felt when we were cleaning out some of

580
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: those shelters together a couple of days later.

581
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 10: I don't know the best way to say this, but

582
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 10: what hit me deeper was when this might seem strange,

583
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 10: but when I saw women's sanitary napkins or the diapers

584
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 10: or the babies, like it was kind of like a

585
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 10: fabric padded crib basinet type thing that suddenly hit me

586
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 10: on a deeper level. It would make me emotional because

587
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 10: it's like then you start to realize, like, wow, what

588
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 10: if that was me and my child or I'm not

589
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 10: a mother, but I can only imagine what that must

590
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 10: be like for them to be going through these things.

591
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 10: As a as a woman, being on your period and

592
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 10: being out and not having anything, you know, going to

593
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 10: the bathroom out there. What do you use when you

594
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 10: don't have those supplies?

595
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, it just.

596
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 10: That was when it hit me deeper, and I knew

597
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 10: I was doing the right thing by being out there

598
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 10: and helping in whatever way I could, because I don't

599
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 10: I don't when it comes to the politics side of it,

600
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 10: when it comes to like legality and just different aspects

601
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 10: of it. In that way, I don't have necessarily an

602
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 10: opinion one way or another. I'm not educated enough to

603
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 10: feel like I can. I can argue one way or another,

604
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 10: or defend one position or another. I went out there

605
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 10: purely for my love of humanity, and I think being

606
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 10: able to support in whatever way I can that was

607
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 10: the way that I felt like I could serve and

608
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 10: bo support.

609
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: Katie hadn't expected to meet migrants at the camp when

610
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: she first showed up. She knew it was important not

611
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: to flog the camp with volunteers, and their help was

612
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: needed packaging and preparing aid drops, which she was happy

613
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: to do. But in the end, she traveled up to

614
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: the camp with a friend who spoke Portuguese so they

615
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: could help translate and distribute supplies. I asked her what

616
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: it was like to see the supplies she'd purchased a

617
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: few hours before end up in the hands of people

618
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: who desperately needed them.

619
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 8: They don't even have a grocery store in her cumber

620
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 8: They have one mini mart with nothing in it, and

621
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 8: that was sold out the first day. So these people

622
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 8: who we would look at without a lot of resources,

623
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 8: passing the abundance of what they actually have, well, I

624
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 8: saw a lot of families. I could tell that there

625
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 8: were leaders within the group because they were helping organize

626
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 8: as much as the volunteers were. And unfortunately there was

627
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 8: language barriers, you know, and so those that could speak

628
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 8: multiple languages, whether they were border crossers or volunteers, were

629
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 8: together in it. And that was part of that organization

630
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 8: that I'm talking about, you know. And it was actually

631
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 8: a very calm scene when we first came up. I

632
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 8: saw my son's hat that I donated and a little

633
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 8: boy hugging this jaguar stuffed animal, and the jaguar was

634
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 8: really significant to my friend and I when we found it.

635
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 8: So it was really touching just to like see the

636
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 8: things that we were bringing being literally being distributed like

637
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 8: sometimes when you think you're helping. I worked for a

638
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 8: door to door campaign when I was in my teens

639
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 8: and I got fifty percent of what I raised, and

640
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 8: it was like disheartening, and you're like, oh, this is

641
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 8: how it works. And in this case, money that I

642
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 8: directly spent on resources that were needed was going directly

643
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 8: to the people.

644
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: In all likelihood, people crossed in a specific spot because

645
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: someone dropped them there telling them it would be easy.

646
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: In fact, it was anything but people die crossing around here.

647
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: In the dirt around Cucumber, I found discarded fly to

648
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: itineries and documents from Turkey, Nicaragua, Columbia, Mexico. There were

649
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: also little children's toys, shoes, and hundreds of empty water bottles,

650
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: which we diligently picked up. But none of the more

651
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: than one thousand people who the Board Patrol held in

652
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: this camp have planned for what got, which was several

653
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: days being detained in the desert by CBP with inefficient water,

654
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: no shelter, and very little food and no information on

655
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: what was happening or how long they could expect to

656
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: be there. Sadly didn't get there in time to speak

657
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: to any of them. I was in Arizona looking for

658
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: border vigilantes and wondering what CBP had been doing to

659
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: migrants there where they have the full support of local

660
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: law enforcement and a large percentage of the aging population.

661
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: To my surprise, I didn't find much. It seems like

662
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: most people had crossed in the San Diego County area.

663
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: Many had flown or walked to Tijuana. Of course, migrants,

664
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: just like us, have accessed the news and to weather

665
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: forecast and maps. Crossing in Arizona, a place known for

666
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: cruelty and very hot weather doesn't make any sense when

667
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: California offers a better political and weather climate, and with

668
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: the mixed messages coming down about immigration law, these folks

669
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: may not have been intending to evade border patrol, but

670
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 3: to come to the USA and to take their legal

671
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: right to claim asylum. I spoke to Sam, a volunteer

672
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: with extensive on the ground experience humanitarian crises, about what

673
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: he'd seen at the camp.

674
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 11: Oh my name is Sam Schultz.

675
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: He said, many of the people who found themselves in

676
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: a cumber had likely been told by people smokelers, but

677
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: this was an easy way into the US. In the end,

678
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: it was anything but they I.

679
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 11: Mean, I know they didn't expect that they were just

680
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 11: waltz across the border. At a normal check station, but

681
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 11: they thought it was going to be they were sold

682
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 11: in pill of goods.

683
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 10: Let's put it back walking.

684
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 11: Yes, that's it, And so I mean, I feel sorry

685
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 11: for anybody who's taken advantage of all like that. But

686
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 11: most of the people that I met again who are

687
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 11: not Colombians, were of the wealthier side of the on

688
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 11: their countries. I met some of Becky's, some Kazakis, a

689
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 11: bunch of people from India, a couple of Pakistani guys. Mind,

690
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 11: I mean, they didn't get here cheap.

691
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: The wall behind the people in Hookumba cost twenty five

692
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: million dollars a mile.

693
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 6: On average.

694
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: The border patrol agent drove around in f one to

695
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: fifty raped to trucks that started eighty thousand dollars and

696
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: each make a starting salary of sixty thousand dollars in

697
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: their first year. Surveillance towers that dot the desert, including

698
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: one which provided a tiny scrap of shade to migrants

699
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: resting under its solar panels, can cost a million dollars apiece,

700
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: But people in a cumber received only one small water

701
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: bottle each day, despite the punishing weather. Although customs and

702
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: border protection did not seem to make any plan to

703
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: shelter migrants in Nucumber. They did plan to have contractors

704
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: paid forty dollars an hour to take them away. I

705
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: found a job advert for a Southwest Border transportation and

706
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: security officer at ISS Action Security. The agency photograph transporting

707
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: migrants in Kumba. The job posting, which was posted two

708
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: weeks before the end of Title forty two, has a

709
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: description that includes patting down all detainees and applying appropriate

710
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: restraints prior to boarding vehicles. The process through its migrants

711
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: become detainees normally involves processing which had not been done

712
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: in Nucumber, but it seems a presumption of ineligibility announced

713
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: on the day Title forty two ended came into effect.

714
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: Here this might seem a minor distinction, but it's important.

715
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: It means that people have to file a defensive asylum

716
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: claim and not an affirmative one. They have to plead

717
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: why they shouldn't be deported, rather than why they have

718
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: a right to stay. Many of the people who have

719
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: been trying to cross before the end of Title forty two,

720
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: like Diana, because they felt they would face a less

721
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: serious penalty. Many of them flew to t win I

722
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: walked from further south in Mexico or even in Central America,

723
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: I likely spent their entire savings on a trip to

724
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: the gap in the wall near hercumber that ended with

725
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: them being held by border patrol and the open desert

726
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: with next to nothing in the way of shelter, sanitation,

727
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: or sustenance. As a way to quantify this, I want

728
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 3: to reference to UCSD US Immigration Policy Center report apparently

729
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: had some pretty problematic practices, but anyway, these are results

730
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: from its survey. When asked whether border patrol gave them

731
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 3: enough water for the day, over half of the asylum

732
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: seekers that we interviewed, approximately fifty three per said no.

733
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: Border patrol distributed one water bottle to each migrant in

734
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: the morning. When asked where the border patrol gave them

735
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: enough food for the day, all of the asylum seekers

736
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: said no. Border patrol did not distribute any food. When

737
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: asked where the border patrol provided adequate sanitation such as toilets,

738
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: all of the asylum seekers that we interviewed, meaning one

739
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: hundred percent, said no. Border patrol provided one porter body

740
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: for the entire encampment. When asked where the border patrol

741
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: provided adepriate shelter, such as shade to protect them from

742
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: the sun. All of the asylum seekers that we interviewed

743
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: said no. Border patrol did not provide any shelter. When

744
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: asked where the border patrol provided blankets to keep them

745
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: warm at night, all but one of the asylum seekers

746
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: we interviewed said no Border patrol provided blankets. Some migrants,

747
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 3: but the overwhelming majority, did not receive blankets. Altogether, two

748
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: thirds of the asylum seekers we interviewed said that they

749
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: agree or strongly agree with the statement if I did

750
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: not receive food and water from volunteers, I would not

751
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: get enough food and water from border patrol to survive.

752
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: These aren't exaggerations, as we'll see, several migrants did come

753
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: very close to losing their lives in the five or

754
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 3: more days that CBP detained people out in the open

755
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: along the border. Medical incidents in this kind of attention

756
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: are far from uncommon. A lawsuit filed against Customers of

757
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: Border Protection by the Southern Border Communities Coalition regarding their

758
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: actions this week, stated that quote many migrants have fallen

759
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: into medical distress because of the conditions, and CVP has

760
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: been slow to provide access to medical attention, often only

761
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: responding at the insistence of advocates. As a result, one

762
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: woman suffered life threatening allergies, a child suffered an epileptic seizure,

763
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: and a man suffered an unattended infection on his leg.

764
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 3: Medical attention was slow to arrive, and when it did arrive,

765
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: it was often insufficient. Like Kay, but describe the conditions

766
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: they saw a couple of days after the end of

767
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: Title forty two.

768
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 7: It's really the product that it's hard in the state.

769
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 7: The conditions there were not safe or sanitary. I guess

770
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 7: this is sort of related to medical issues, but there

771
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 7: was it's been you know, to their credit assessment. Has

772
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 7: been reported in the media. But there was a single

773
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 7: wordable toilet for anywhere from I guess there's probably a

774
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 7: twilt be four hundred people there. I heard a couple

775
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 7: of different citations of how often this toilet is serviced

776
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 7: and cleaned and the waste removed anywhere from once or

777
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 7: twice a week to once every week or two weeks.

778
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 7: Either way, that's not remotely sufficient for four hundred people

779
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 7: using the back room multiple times a day in this

780
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 7: single portable like just a construction site toilet it was

781
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 7: right next to the phone charging station on their side

782
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 7: of the wall, and my I would just feel sick

783
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 7: if I get if I sit too close to it.

784
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 7: It was really vile.

785
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 6: It was not safe.

786
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 7: It is not a way for people to be helping.

787
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 7: And I do know, I think a lot of thankfully

788
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 7: people stop using it, but then they don't have any

789
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 7: you know, a privacy or that that's still not you know,

790
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 7: a sanitary in a situation to be in since I mean,

791
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 7: they don't have a future space anywhere. So that's definitely

792
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 7: one of the ways that people are doing the food

793
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 7: in terms of their.

794
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 6: Health and safety.

795
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: Here's Samara, who will hear more from tomorrow, describe being

796
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: ano of a medical incident.

797
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: And the call that I got this morning was of

798
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: a woman who was rushed out because she had an

799
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 5: emergency situation, taken to the hospital. The hospital didn't know

800
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: what to do with her, so they sat her right

801
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 5: back here in the middle of the night, in the

802
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 5: middle of the night, and they brought her here. She

803
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 5: doesn't have any documents. CBP didn't get a chance to

804
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 5: process her yet, so she doesn't even have any proof

805
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 5: that she actually came to the port of entry and

806
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 5: tried to seek asylum. And she was just sleeping right here.

807
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 5: And she has burns all over her body, has an infection.

808
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: I read the.

809
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 5: Seven medications that they gave her, and she speaks daddy.

810
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: She's from avon Astan. Her husband got taken by the

811
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 5: Taliban and she escaped, running for her life. And she's

812
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: here and she has sunburns all over her face and

813
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 5: she has nowhere to go. She thought she was still detained.

814
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 5: She actually thought she was still detained. She was just

815
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 5: trying to get back to the other side of the border.

816
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 5: She thought she was still in Mexico. No one explained

817
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 5: anything to her. They brought her back here in the

818
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 5: middle of the night, and she was freezing and so wet.

819
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 5: That's why I came out here. I talked to her.

820
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 5: Her The other folks who were out here didn't know

821
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 5: why she was just sleeping here, and I came out

822
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 5: and tried and translate it. And now we have her

823
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 5: at a hotel.

824
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 7: Okay.

825
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: The witness one of the emergencies described in the Southern

826
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: Border Communities Coalition lawsuit. When they visited the camp. He's

827
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: describing it in.

828
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 7: Terms of you know, medical care as well, like I said.

829
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 7: One of the parts of the aid operation I was

830
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 7: my name was most people. I think there's a probination

831
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 7: both of people who were.

832
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 6: You know, and then street medicine as well as people.

833
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 7: Who were like nurses volunteering their prime and like that

834
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 7: and mostly taking care of just kind of routine first

835
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 7: aid for the most part. There was a situation where

836
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 7: someone was having an a perject reaction, a fairly severe one,

837
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 7: and I happened to carry and epythens, so I simply

838
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 7: give that to one of one of the street medics

839
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 7: and then they eventually did all this person the reaction

840
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 7: bought severe enough about it was an an hour or

841
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 7: so later at that nine, one was called, I assumed

842
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 7: by one of the volunteers, and uh AM vialance and

843
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 7: border patrol came to open the gate and bring this

844
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 7: person in the country. They did eventually treat her, but

845
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 7: it was a very it was a long time. I

846
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 7: connuanced it of sometimes which is someone as someone who

847
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 7: has anaphylexis reactions food and it's had that happened many

848
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 7: times in their life. That is an absolutely terrifying I

849
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 7: cannot imagine how terrifying it would be to be experiencing

850
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 7: a life writing situation when you work trapped and and

851
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 7: and you know there's no authority that really cares that

852
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 7: you're there. And I don't know if she would have

853
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 7: been able to get help.

854
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 6: If there have been volunteers. I I said the ball,

855
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 6: especially once.

856
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: With medical training, where volunteers weren't. Things were worse in Texas,

857
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: and I just Ae Reyes Alvarez, an eight year old

858
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: girl born in Panama to Honduran parents, died in CBP custody. Rossellerees,

859
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: the girl's father, told NBC News that they gave authorities

860
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 3: documents about the girl's medical conditions congenital heart disease and

861
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: sickle cellonemia while they were in immigration custody. They said

862
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: that a doctor there examined Danideth and that she had

863
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: contracted the flu Alvarez. Her mother said she spoke to

864
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: both detentional authorities and medical personnel at the station multiple

865
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: times to explain her daughter was complaining of pain and

866
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: shortness of breath and that she was getting worse. All

867
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: quite the next part directly from the NBC story. They

868
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: never listened to me, she said. Rayes said his daughter

869
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 3: was in a lot of pain. A lot of pain.

870
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: I begged them to call an ambulance, Alvarez said, adding

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Speaker 3: their authorities told her the girl's condition wasn't serious enough

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Speaker 3: to warrant calling an ambulance. Avarez said her daughter begged

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Speaker 3: authorities as well, telling them she could not breathe from

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Speaker 3: her nose or mouth. Alvarez says that eventually her daughter

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Speaker 3: lost consciousness and died in my arms. She said, authorities

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Speaker 3: took the girl from her arms and put her on

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Speaker 3: the floor trying to revive her. My daughter died there

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Speaker 3: in the station, she said. Avare said she feels authorities

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Speaker 3: did not do enough to help her little girl. My

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Speaker 3: daughter is a human being. They had to take care

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Speaker 3: of her, she said. Despite what you might have heard

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Speaker 3: on the network news, the asylum process is anything but easy.

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Speaker 3: I've had several visas, a Green card, and a US passport,

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Speaker 3: and I can comply tell you the only easy way

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen to come here is to be very rich.

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Speaker 3: But even among the convoluted bureaucratic mess at his US immigration,

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Speaker 3: the asylum process stands out as both rigorous and complicated.

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Speaker 3: Asylum is a process by which people unable are unwilling

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Speaker 3: to return to their country because of persecution or a

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Speaker 3: well founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, politics,

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Speaker 3: or membership of a particular social group, may remain in

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Speaker 3: a safe country. From the eleventh of May onwards, migrants

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Speaker 3: at the border were assumed ineligible for asylum. If they

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Speaker 3: cross between points of entry, they must enter the defensive

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Speaker 3: asylum process to prevent themselves from being deported. What this

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Speaker 3: means for people we heard from earlier is that they

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Speaker 3: are now taken, for whatever God forsake and holding area.

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Speaker 3: They're in a bust to a processing facility where they're

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Speaker 3: interviewed by an asylum officer to determine if they have

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Speaker 3: a credible fear of persecution. They may need to provide

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Speaker 3: a translator if there is an interviewing agent who speaks

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Speaker 3: their language, and if they're determined to have a credible fear,

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Speaker 3: they're told to check in with the US Customs and

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Speaker 3: Immigration Office and sometimes given a notice which may or

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Speaker 3: may not be dated to appear in court. My colleague

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Speaker 3: Joe tried to get into one of these hotels to

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Speaker 3: talk to one of the people we'd spoken to at

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Speaker 3: the border, but he was pretty quickly shut down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how you doing either. I'm a freelance journalist.

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Speaker 3: I'm here reporting for my boss, James Stout, He's at iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you're letting media in here to see.

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Speaker 3: The guys, sadly not.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Also the act you guys, and that's the strict

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Speaker 2: union of this area here. Okay, you're going to set up,

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Speaker 2: it has to be on the side of the line

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Speaker 2: because I have a lot of traffic. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 2: very dangerous for you. Okay, So like beyond here, a

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Speaker 2: past the college. Yeah, from here over Okay, cool, I'll

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Speaker 2: say how you're working. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: One of the folks we'd met was able to stay

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Speaker 3: in touch for our WhatsApp and share the hotel rules

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Speaker 3: with us. They were pretty strict. Migrants are confined to

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Speaker 3: their rooms, they can't have visitors, and they can't even

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Speaker 3: order food delivery from the hotel where they're hosted by

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Speaker 3: Catholic charities. Migrants need to get to their sponsor in

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Speaker 3: the United States.

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Speaker 7: If they have one.

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Speaker 3: If they don't have one, they can be sent just

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Speaker 3: about anywhere. I've heard of East African folks having ended

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Speaker 3: up in Alaska, for example. Once they get to where

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Speaker 3: they're going to be. They check him with US customers

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Speaker 3: and Immigration services in their new location, and they're given

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Speaker 3: a special phone which also tracks their movements. They may

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Speaker 3: have a DNA sample take and in addition to fingerprints. Later,

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Speaker 3: sometimes years later, they attend a court hearing or two

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Speaker 3: to determine their eligibility to stay. I've heard of lawyers

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Speaker 3: charging from five thousand dollars to twelve thousand dollars for

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Speaker 3: these hearings, and nonprofit legalists and services are totally overwhelmed.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, the systems massively backed up, and court

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Speaker 3: dates are being given as far out as twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: seven already. They may or may not be able to

942
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Speaker 3: work during that period, and uther the table work is

943
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Speaker 3: getting harder and harder to find. Even if they do

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Speaker 3: find work on less than minimum wage, it can be

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Speaker 3: very hard to say about five thousand dollars for a

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Speaker 3: lawyer A Migrants who can't find nonprofit help are at

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Speaker 3: a significant disadvantage when it comes to their asylum hearings. Again,

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Speaker 3: private security contractors, this time from Allied, were transporting migrants

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Speaker 3: to the hotel and guarding it. Like CBP, the private

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Speaker 3: contractors you guard transport and ink pass rate migrants or

951
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Speaker 3: rely on the broken in immigration system to make money.

952
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Speaker 3: Unlike CBP, the agents themselves aren't well paid. Nineteen dollars

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00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: an hours are going rate for Allied, not much higher

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Speaker 3: than San Diego's sixteen dollars and thirty cents minimum wage.

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Speaker 3: But the company itself is huge. It's the third last

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Speaker 3: yearest private employer in North America after Walmart and Amazon.

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00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: Allied guards are at prisons, airports, and shopping malls across America,

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Speaker 3: and it's alleged that some are underpaid, insufficiently trained, and

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Speaker 3: improperly vetted. The company grosses over twenty billion dollars, and

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Speaker 3: it's affiliates are frequent political donors. All across this story

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Speaker 3: you'll see this Allied security iss action, security people, smugglers,

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Speaker 3: customs and border protection, contractors who build the war pieces

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Speaker 3: and contractors who install the wall pieces, General Atomics who

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Speaker 3: sell CBP drones, and the Israelian American companies who sell

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Speaker 3: the surveillance technology to the government. All these people make money,

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Speaker 3: but the poorest people in the world are the only

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Speaker 3: ones losing money, and sometimes they're lives when they cross

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Speaker 3: our southern border tomorrow, we'll hear from some of the

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Speaker 3: people who made no money and looked after the migrants,

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Speaker 3: and we'll continue to support them through the asylum process.

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