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Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 4: This is The Route Tree, broadcasting live on Dallascowboys dot

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Speaker 1: Now your host, Drew.

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Speaker 3: Pearson, Welcome to another episode of The Route Tree. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host, the original number eighty eight Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 3: super Bowl Champion. That's me, the original eighty eight Drew Pearson.

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Speaker 3: Now come with me on the show where legends of

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Speaker 3: the game, rising stars share their journeys, insights and inspiration.

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Speaker 3: Today we got a very special guest joining us, and

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Speaker 3: he's a man that has worked his way through the

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Speaker 3: ranks from East Central High School to Oklahoma University. Had

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Speaker 3: a little stop there at the Atlanta Falcons. But life

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Speaker 3: was good on them and shining on him because he

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Speaker 3: ended up being with the Dallas Cowboys and won two

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Speaker 3: Super Bowls with the Dallas Cowboys. But not only that,

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Speaker 3: he's a champion anyway, because he won a national championship.

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Speaker 1: With Oh you right, y'all probably cheat it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're going you're doing okay?

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Speaker 2: Said that I'm cheating you and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't be cheating today.

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Speaker 3: Oh no gaming, shit gaming ship right nothing anyway, now,

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Speaker 3: you heard the voice say, and none other than the

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Speaker 3: great Tony Casi is joining us on the route.

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Speaker 1: Treat man, Tony, thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure to sit

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Speaker 2: down with you. And every time I see you, you

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Speaker 2: look great and just aging like a fine bottle of wine.

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Speaker 2: And man, it's always a it's always sincerely. Mean, it's

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Speaker 2: always great to talk to you and kind of your

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Speaker 2: you know everywhere you're going, and so it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a blessing.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to get a little too sensitive line.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate this.

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Speaker 5: I'll get to you later.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that respect. And that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't have to play together, you know,

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Speaker 3: Uh So the respect is there, and when we get together,

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Speaker 3: the respect just comes out, you know. I Mean, it's

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Speaker 3: just the way it is. Uh. We've had too ta

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Speaker 3: We've had Billy Joe Duprie on the show and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing sitting with those guys, the respect

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Speaker 3: You know, I say, Everson, you're one of those guys

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Speaker 3: Generational guy. That's what I see you as, Tony. Do

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Speaker 3: a that's a huge compliment. I think that you know this,

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Speaker 3: you have you have that that football DNA, but more importantly,

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Speaker 3: you have that brotherhood DNA. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when I and especially you know, playing for the

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Speaker 2: I watched you, I the hell Mary catch everything that

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like you've been in a Pro Football

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Speaker 5: That's on Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, man, everyone and that that I

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Speaker 3: Right? Thank you for that. Uh, you know a lot

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Speaker 3: of it is because of the people I was around.

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Speaker 2: That's your And in those names just and you just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the different generations coming together and talk about

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Speaker 2: I have you seen Central High School? And I remember

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Speaker 2: the University of Tulsa, Tulsa Hurricanes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, then did they recruit you?

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Speaker 2: Why we want to be honest with you. I did

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Speaker 3: And so so it was very so.

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Speaker 2: I remember sitting in the stands with the coach John Cooper,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a chance Tony, and I said, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: He did being honest, and he was being honest.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't say, well, coach, you really don't know.

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Speaker 5: You know, to just you know, take a visit.

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Speaker 3: Were you coming through uh East Central when Booker T.

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Speaker 1: There were more stars at TU than we were.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was it was ridiculous, right.

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Speaker 3: If their their games they played in our stadium, and

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Speaker 2: Then we scouted their tickets. Well, I remember I remember

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Speaker 3: They were that good. They were that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those guys were bad boys.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know that was cool.

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Speaker 2: But that was you know here, let's use uh, I

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Speaker 5: It was. It was cool. But man, Skelley Stadium, Man,

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, they've done some renovation since then. It's

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Speaker 3: it's grass. Yeah, they took me and Steve Largin's name

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see what.

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Speaker 1: We'll see where that goes.

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Speaker 2: Drew Pearson and Steve Largent are the university had told

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Speaker 3: Well, our special guest is none other than number seventy five,

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Speaker 3: ninety two, whatever you want to call them. He's got

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Speaker 3: We're going to take the journy. Now that we've been

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Speaker 3: through the high school experience, and all that. We're going

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Speaker 3: to take the journey from college to the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: and how that was for you. Okay, we'll do that

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Speaker 6: Every day begins with a promise, a promise to work

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Speaker 6: hard and to build a future. That's why we're here

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Speaker 6: providing the tools, expertise and John Deere equipment you have

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Speaker 7: We're with you.

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Speaker 6: That's our promise to you because no matter of the

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the route Tree. I'm the original eighty

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Speaker 3: Were you heavily recruited? Was? Oh, you your only choice?

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Speaker 2: It came down to Oklahoma, Texas, which was served considering

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Speaker 3: It's probably a kid growing up, that's what you want

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Speaker 3: you just called.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was in five years wow. So it just

441
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 2: it just starts from the top and goes down the bottom.

442
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 2: And you know, that's one thing about Dallas, you know,

443
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,719
Speaker 2: the organization and just the expectations, and there was no

444
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: expectation there. There was no vibe, no energy. Now it

445
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: is it doesn't matter what what level you're playing on.

446
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 2: You want to be able to have fun. I mean,

447
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: it is a game. You are getting paid, but still

448
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: it's a game. And just so anyway, I got I uh.

449
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: I remember I was my last year ninety one. I

450
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: was inactive for the UH for the Cowboy game. We

451
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: played the Cowboys, and that's when Jimmy and Wanstead.

452
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 5: I mean that was.

453
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 3: Eighty you're with now. I was in Atlanta before I

454
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 3: got traded.

455
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 5: I believe that was.

456
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 2: Ninety That was rid for ninety one, it was. And

457
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: so of course we're not we're not going any playoffs.

458
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: And I guess Dallas had a Jerry Glambville telling them

459
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: that they were popping champagne and locker room, which is

460
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: totally true. But anyways, yeah, yeah, yeah, So anyways, he

461
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: so I'm out there on the field and I see Wanstead.

462
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: Wanstead recruited me, tried to get me to go to

463
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, and when he's coached with gim I mean,

464
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: and so I'm out there and I'm just watching pregame

465
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: warm ups and I go over there and I said, hey, coach,

466
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: you know how you doing. He goes, hey, you know,

467
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 2: and catch it up and said, hey, let me just

468
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: put this.

469
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 5: In the air.

470
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: I went out of Atlanta. I mean, I don't want

471
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 2: to be here not having fun playing football.

472
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just is there.

473
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Any way, I'll come there and I'll Dallas and play

474
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: my ass off for you whatever you need me to do.

475
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: And he's looking at me and like, okay, so so anyways, Uh.

476
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: You're pretty am your own agent. I mean I was

477
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 3: just I was yourself. I was just saying, look, I

478
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 3: just want to want to get at it. Yeah, And

479
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: so I didn't.

480
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: I really didn't think anything of it until I just

481
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: had to report to camp ninety one and I got

482
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: to the point where Lambville.

483
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 5: I wasn't.

484
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone says, hey, the player is not the

485
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: coach's guy. He took that to another level. He would obsracide,

486
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: he'd make a point, and just so I wasn't gonna

487
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: stay it. So I called Ken Herrock was a GM

488
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, this is in poor training camp.

489
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: And I said, hey, I'm not coming back. I'm retiring.

490
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: He gaes what I said, Yeah, I'm not coming back.

491
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm not playing for Glanville. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

492
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: be a pro golfer. I don't know what I'm gonna do.

493
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: They took your statement seriously. Yeah, so you're getting it up.

494
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: So I was.

495
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 2: I was at my buddy's house. We're best friends for

496
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, grew up as friends. And so I'm back

497
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: in Tulsa and and uh so we're sitting there and

498
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: a week later, I didn't hear anything. I'm talking to

499
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: my agents. So I'm sitting there in this house. For

500
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: some reason, Jimmy gets my gets my number or I

501
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: don't know if I self, I don't know cell phone,

502
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: but so he got he he was able to get contact.

503
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: So I get this call and he said, hey Tony,

504
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson. I'm like, coach nice, Like okay, hey, uh yeah,

505
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: He goes, Hey you want to I'm getting ready to

506
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: trade for you.

507
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 5: You want to come here and help me win some

508
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: Super Bowls. I'm like, oh my god.

509
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. I just I just

510
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: I just got my my.

511
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: One and all of a sudden, I just got this

512
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: bolt of energy and just felt like, hey, man.

513
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 5: Football is going to be funny.

514
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so because it's always good to go to

515
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: an organization that really feels like, hey, you could help us.

516
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: I mean, if they trade for you and they draft

517
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: for you, you can. They're they're they're drafting your trading for

518
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: you to come in and help.

519
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: Them out, you know what I'm saying.

520
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: And if not, you know how that goes. So anyways,

521
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: I got that's how I got traded to Dallas.

522
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: And uh, were you so you were happy?

523
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 5: Oh?

524
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: Hell yeah? You know Drew, you know how this was

525
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: some of the guys you ran into you once you

526
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: got traded on that roster. Troy was there.

527
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: It was Troy, Troy, Emmett, Michael Irvin, number eighty eight.

528
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: To So how about that sake tackle Eric Williams was Eric

529
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 3: all that?

530
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: I mean, all those Followpowski, Uh, Darryl Johnston, Wow, Darren Woodson,

531
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: Larry Brown, Russell, Maryland, Leon Lett Wow, Tony told Wow,

532
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: I mean all the time, man.

533
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: No wonder we won three.

534
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: But at the time and that won it was kind

535
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: of on this cusp of it, right because we hadn't

536
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: done it first couple of years. But in ninety one

537
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: we got you know, we went to the playoffs. I'm

538
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: thinking I never playoffs.

539
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 5: I was.

540
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: I was on vacation somewhere. I never I was in

541
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: Cancun or somewhere. I wasn't playing somewhere.

542
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: I wasn't playing for Your season ended in December, early December, right, Yeah,

543
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: well let's pick it up there, and uh, we could

544
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: talk on and on and on, but I want to

545
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: talk more about your pro career and all that and

546
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: winning two Super Bowls and how cool that was for you,

547
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: and that question. I'm asking you. You see these rings

548
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: right where you know that's super Bowl twelve and that's

549
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: the hall man. I wear them everywhere I go. I'm

550
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: looking at your hands. I didn't how come you don't

551
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: wear your super ridge man? Sorry, First of all, I

552
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: can't really flex. I don't have you see those fingers.

553
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: Screw it up.

554
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: Look at this, y'all.

555
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: Look at it.

556
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: That's a hand all away.

557
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: I can't catch the football with hands like that.

558
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 5: Look at that. Look at that one right there.

559
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: That's from grabbing and yeah that's chuck tugging.

560
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: Well I should have had one. I should have had

561
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: my thumb done several years ago. If any if it's

562
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: not what's broken, I wouldn't say if it's your.

563
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: Lineman, that's your that's your that's an injury. Like a

564
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: bad courage. Well yeah, that's something you could show people

565
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: and say, well those those did not look how looking

566
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 3: those are? Man, you just get a pedicure. I mean,

567
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 3: my gosh, yeah, my bread and butter. You know all

568
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: these had I played football. I never had a spring finger. Okay,

569
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: but the ball hit you.

570
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: But you know, you know, defensive line, that's all they

571
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: use hands, hands, but we grabbed, you know, were violent

572
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: and an offensive lineman is.

573
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: Saying, Alfan from Pittsburgh Steelers.

574
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: The guard his fingers, you point to you, he's pointing

575
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: everybody else his finger's goal and he's like proud of it.

576
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: You know, look at this dru.

577
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 5: Hey, I got one of those two.

578
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's the hazards of the position, and nobody

579
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: really really realizes that.

580
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 5: You know.

581
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: The only ones I realized this one is because when

582
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: I play golf, I can still well it's funny because

583
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: when I was playing, uh, I played five years I

584
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: think because I this is crazy. This is how the

585
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: mentality of the football player. I was playing or playing Tampa.

586
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: I was with Atlanta at the time, and and so

587
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: we had a bye week the following week, and I'm like,

588
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: the first first thing I want to do is not

589
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: go back and have to go to treatment.

590
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 5: Right, no one wants.

591
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: To do that. I'm getting out of here, get out

592
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: of dodge. I have the last thing you wanted to

593
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: get hurt in her last week.

594
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 5: Right.

595
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: So I'm catching I saw it was called the Catchers

596
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: a sprang. So I'm catching myself and falling down and

597
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: freaking thumb blewed out.

598
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: And so I'm going in the locker room.

599
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: And I'm talking to the orthopedic or team orthopedic, and

600
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: he he's like, hey, what's wrong, Tony? And I said, well, hey,

601
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking at my thumb and my thumb's

602
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: all swollen up. And here I am thinking, I do

603
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: not want him to tell me that I need to

604
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: come in and get treatment, and because that means I'm

605
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: going to be I'm not going to be able to

606
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: go out of town. And you know, it's kind of

607
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: selling stuff, right, you know. And so he didn't tell

608
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: me that. He told me exactly what I wanted to hear.

609
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: He says, hey, here's what I want you to do.

610
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to give you this this pill.

611
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: I don't even know, you know, it's a pain or whatever.

612
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: And on the way home from him because there was

613
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: away game, So on the way home this have this

614
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: drink of beer and I tell you, what if you

615
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: use your hands like I do, him being a surgeon,

616
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: that i'd recommend surgeon. I'm looking at him like, dude,

617
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: that's all I do is your hands. So this happened

618
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: shoot nineteen ninety and it's still like that.

619
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 5: And I played.

620
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: I played with it for I don't know, I played

621
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: twelve years. So I played another I don't know, seven

622
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: eight years and they tape it like because there's no ligament,

623
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: so they tape put tape here where I could like, actually,

624
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: you know, you have a grip, and it's it's just crazy.

625
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: I should have had something done, you know, but I'm

626
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: really self conscious about it. Now you start looking at

627
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: my all you is like staring at my hands. Now, hey,

628
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna put him down, Tony. You know

629
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: you can get that straightened out, okay.

630
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: Like Roger has this pinky, you know, he's got deformed

631
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: pinky where he jammed it and Rod you can get

632
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: that fit he don't want. That's just bad to courage man. Character, Man,

633
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: that's character.

634
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: This character stupidity on my part.

635
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: Well, you weren't stupid to win two Super Bowls, and

636
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: let's talk about that that experience as we continue with

637
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: the Route three. We'll do that right after this hood.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the out three. I'm Drew Pearson.

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Speaker 3: That guy sitting next to me, Tony can see us

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Speaker 3: from the Dallas Cowboys, a two time Super Bowl champion?

686
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: What is that? Super Bowl twenty seven, twenty seven and

687
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight?

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00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Wow?

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00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: Was it both? Buffalo?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: He picked the right team.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, don't you I really feel sorry

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Speaker 5: for them.

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00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: Marv Levy too, Oh yeah, four in a row and

696
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: then this year whenever Kansas City is not around, and

697
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: then they end up losing and I don't know, then

698
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: they fire the coach, which I mean it's tough now.

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00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: I mean you got guys like even Sean you know

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Speaker 2: McDermott from you know, you got That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: He got.

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00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: He got fired with the Buffalo, and then you got

703
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Speaker 2: Tomlin and you had Hardball get but but those guys

704
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: right there Man, could you imagine going to four Super

705
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: Bowls and they don't have anything to show for it?

706
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 2: I mean that's but hey, I'm not mad at him

707
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: because I got to you rather.

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Speaker 3: You rather have that negativity on you than not being

709
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Speaker 3: there at all. You know, But that's as.

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Speaker 2: You pay you think, do you think you think that

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Speaker 2: that's I don't know. I mean that's a great question, yeah,

712
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: because I mean it's frustrating if you're a Buffalo fan

713
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Speaker 2: and you what's your odds are not winning one Super

714
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: Bowl four years in a row. I don't know what

715
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: the odds on that logistics of that, but man, that's

716
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Speaker 2: that's heartbreaking.

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00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: Man. And I don't know how many games or championship

718
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: games they played in that were played in you know,

719
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: their their environment, right, you know, and still couldn't come

720
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Speaker 3: out on top of the Buffalo. So anyway, that's that's

721
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Speaker 3: their problem, y'all with their butts.

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Speaker 5: Man, that is what it is.

723
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Speaker 3: You have that game one at halftime when y'all counting

724
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: that money, that Super Bowl money at half time, kimming

725
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Speaker 3: with Jimmy Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Behind it, man, you running, you know, out in the

727
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: outside the locker room having us D and you know,

728
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: you have corrections or whatever, but no, no, we never

729
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: took anything for granted. And you know the Super Bowl

730
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, you know, we had I think we're still

731
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Speaker 2: a record for a turnovers, seven to eight turnovers in

732
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: that game, which just it was just a blitz green

733
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: when it came to that type of big plays which

734
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: just turned around and Jim Kelly got knocked out of

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Speaker 2: the game and Frank Wright came in and played and it.

736
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: Was Frank right. Yeah, way man, yeah, no.

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00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: Way, I mean in a way. So anyways, we took

738
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: that game over and we won pretty decisive. Yeah, but

739
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: the game in Atlanta was a lot closer. Uh, you know,

740
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: they had success in Buffalo, but you know, we made

741
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: adjustments and we ran ran the hell of the football

742
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: the second half and uh kind of put that self

743
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: doubt into him again. Yeah, and but there's no doubt

744
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: about it, Jimmy. You know one thing about Jimmy Johnson,

745
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: there was no comfortability at all. He'd make you feel

746
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: uncomfortable even if your success, which I think it makes

747
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: a lot of sense as a leader and as a coach.

748
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: And you can't let guys because it happens, man, you start,

749
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you start, you start feeling good about yoursel

750
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and you pay attention to detail.

751
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 3: And then you only the bad thing about that you're

752
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: talking about that, but it spreads yeah through the whole team.

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00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, Now now you really.

754
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: Got to yeah, and so then you got to have

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00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: some alpha dogs in the locker room to like, hey,

756
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: get this thing back together. But man, I tell you

757
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: what it wasn't uh. I mean, you know this, there's

758
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: nothing like that game went in the Super Bowl, And

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00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, I think that that's something

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Speaker 2: that you always you'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: But how cool is it to go back to best?

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Speaker 5: Shit?

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, hey back to back? You know you

764
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: talk about all the things you had to overcome. You

765
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: did it twice in a row.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you know what's the last team that's

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00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: done that in the NFC went back to back? Yeah

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00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: that's right. I'm thinking you think about doing that. And

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Speaker 2: and here I am. I'm coming from in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like god saying, I mean, this is like you said,

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00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: this is like Chris.

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Speaker 3: The lead being such a transient now, but that probably

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Speaker 3: will never happen.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's I mean, look look at the look

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00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: at the Eagles. Yeah, I mean they had arguably one

776
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: of the best years of Super Bowl team. I mean

777
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: you look at Saquon Barkley, look at the quarterback, the defense,

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00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: and then they come back the second year and it's

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00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: it's hard, man.

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00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 3: So you gotta be you gotta be good.

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: I always saying I always think about a golf you know,

782
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: a golf terminalige knowledge when you start talking not termalizing,

783
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: but it's kind of a saying. And it's like you

784
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: play golf and I'm and you have a good score

785
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: and you said, I'm surely not that good. I was

786
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: damn lucky. Because in golf you have to be lucky.

787
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: Now football is a little different complex.

788
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: You can create something, yeah, but still the residue of design.

789
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: And I guess with luck, you know this, it's probably

790
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: it's probably injuries, it's probably being in the right place

791
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: at the right time, getting the luck of the calls.

792
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: I mean, some guy, you know, a bad play you

793
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: make into a big play.

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00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just and.

795
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: That's not luck, that's just you create your But my

796
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: point being is that that's the luck that you have

797
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: when you're prepared, when your coach grinds on you, and

798
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: you know, good things happen, and that's that's got to

799
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: be the process.

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Speaker 3: Now, you won these Super Bowls with who is the

801
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: head coach, Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson, and then Barry came in.

802
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: I was going after that and then and what happened

803
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: after that? After Yeah, Barry shows up where you well,

804
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: you know what disappoint You hate to see Jimmy go.

805
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: You hate that they had with the ownership with the

806
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 3: Cowboy Well, you know what.

807
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: When I left, I was going to I was going

808
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: someplace to chase the money, you know, So I mean

809
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: you were a free agent.

810
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a free agent. And then all bets

811
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 5: are off.

812
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: So let the Cowboys do what they Yeah, and I was.

813
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: It was great, and but I really thought it was

814
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: kind of unusual the way it happened with Barry getting

815
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: Hi hired as a coach. You know, we talk about

816
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: all that. But anyway, it was interesting. The dynamic of

817
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: it when I did come back in ninety six and

818
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: ninety seven had to change, and everyone understands It's like,

819
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a good analogy, but everyone's.

820
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Had a substitute teacher.

821
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you have a you have the

822
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: real teacher that comes in there and gets your homework

823
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: every night, and then when that substitute teacher comes in and.

824
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: He's light up.

825
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

826
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: You know, you know, like they don't really know, Oh yeah,

827
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: what you're doing or whatever. I don't know, It's just

828
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: I feel like that guys kind of thought that Barry

829
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Switzer was a substitute teacher that which I know it

830
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: wasn't true because I've lived it and I experienced it

831
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma. But I think that when Coach Switzer came here,

832
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: he felt like.

833
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: What do I need to do? What am I going

834
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: to change? What am I gonna do?

835
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: This is on auto pot at which you go back

836
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: and look at all those that we had on that team.

837
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: My gosh, we needed some structure. And even in the

838
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: coaching staff.

839
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: You took Jimmy out and put Barry in right, the

840
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: rest of the staff stay status quo.

841
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then I think there was a

842
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: lot of other coaches that had a probably some animosity

843
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: towards that were on that staff, towards Miss Switzer, yeah,

844
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: because like why are you hiring? Yeah, they got passage

845
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: over and you're used to working for someone like Jimmy

846
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: Johnson that has this culture, that has his expectation, that

847
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: puts kind of the at times, does what he needs

848
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: to do the fear of God in you. Because they're

849
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: all different about motivating people. It's totally different than what

850
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Cole Switzer did and the dynamic and you can't really

851
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: reality is to think that Cole Switzer is going to

852
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: be like Jimmy back then, because we've seen all the

853
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: stories Jimmy was. Jimmy was out of control, man, I mean,

854
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: and it was. I mean, I owe a lot to him,

855
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: but you look back at some of the stuff recent like,

856
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: damn is that right at that? But you know, Coase Switzer,

857
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, he did what he needed

858
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: to do. And I think he got to a point

859
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: where I think a lot of guys that when you're

860
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: starting to talk to the owner instead of the coach.

861
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: You got a problem, when you have an issue, you don't.

862
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: You go to the head coach. If you get an issue, you

863
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: talk to you talked to Jimmy. You found out you

864
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: were talking to Jerry, he probably he'd cut your ass.

865
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: So I think that kind of changed. But I think

866
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: it was just because coach Switzer felt like, Hey, what

867
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: do I need to do to change anything that this

868
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: that's on old auto party. These guys are professional athletes.

869
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 5: I can handle everything.

870
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Why do what I need to do. I'm a substitute teacher.

871
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Speaker 2: I'm not disrespect but.

872
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm just I understand the analogy.

873
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: Yeah so so.

874
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: Uh, but I think there was a lot of guys

875
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: that really didn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

876
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: I think there were some guys that that, you know,

877
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: their expectation was unrealistic that he was going to be

878
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: like Jimmy, which there's no coach like yeah, so that's

879
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: like Landry Yeah yeah, but he came here and he

880
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: won a super Bowl. That was the last Super Bowl

881
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: the Cowboys won in nineteen ninety five. But uh, you know,

882
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: I you know one thing about Coach Switzer. I think

883
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: he's very transparent, and I think you ask him, he's

884
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: going to give you an honest answer. I tell you

885
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: he's unfiltered. You may not like what he says. He

886
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: may cuss a little bit, swear a little bit, but

887
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna get a frank answer. And what

888
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: you see is what you're going to get. And there's

889
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: no there's no speculation. And I think a lot of guys,

890
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: you know, in the media too, they want to have

891
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: the speculative perspective of a coach. Oh you know this,

892
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: But Coase Switzer just say no, this.

893
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: Is how I am.

894
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: And he'd cuss you out, you know, and tell you

895
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

896
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: But I've been around him a few times. Very interesting man,

897
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: and we got along very well. You know, Oklahoma Sports

898
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. You know, we're both in here. Yeah,

899
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: class thousand and eight. Yeah, same class. You believe that

900
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: way back then, two thousand and eight. I'm looking up that.

901
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: I said, what year was that.

902
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: No, it's just it's just like this is on this

903
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: fast you know, fast tracking.

904
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 5: Yeah. But yeah, but hey, that's honored to be in

905
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 5: your class. Brother.

906
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: But they're both together, and here's the guy from New

907
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: Jersey into in the Oklahoma Sports All of Man, that's

908
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: pretty cool.

909
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's uh, it was fun. It was an honor

910
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 5: to go in your class.

911
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I think that, Uh when I look

912
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: at in retrospect of you know, you look back and

913
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I always I always like to

914
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: ask questions.

915
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 5: And one of the things.

916
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm and you know, guilty of them. My freaking wife

917
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: tell you is I asked a lot of questions, whether

918
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: they're smart or not smart. I mean I just asked questions.

919
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, and I'm like, you know, he was like,

920
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: she goes, what am I like a freaking uh you know,

921
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: am I jet GTP or some daff pte?

922
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: You know like yeah, so uh.

923
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: But anyways, I think that that's what you got to do,

924
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: is you got to ask, you know, the the questions.

925
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: And so I I think that, Uh, when I look

926
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: at Cole Switzer and I and I look at Jimmy,

927
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of there's a lot what's

928
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: in common with him is they both were you know,

929
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: they they had their own way of motivating people, a

930
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: unique way. And one thing about Cole Switzer he is

931
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: so he's a loyal friend.

932
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: I mean he is.

933
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: He is a person that you know, my mom passed

934
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: away back in July is unexpected, you know, and and

935
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: and so I called him up and he unfortunately, he

936
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: came to my He came to my uh he spoke

937
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: with my dad. Uh eulogy and my mom and Cole

938
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: Switzer's eighty eight Now wow, and so I called him,

939
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 2: and he called me and said, hey, man, I found

940
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry toeing I found out, but your mom and

941
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: he he says, I want to I want to come

942
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: to the I want to send flowers. Yeah, And I said,

943
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: that's a coach, because we've always been there for me.

944
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, he's that guy. He's he's that call.

945
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 2: He's people don't know here, that lifeline. You know, he's

946
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: gonna call at four o'clock in the morning, come get

947
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: you out of.

948
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: Jail or you know, whatever you need.

949
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: He's going to be there.

950
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: And then Bunny and so he goes, hey, he goes

951
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: almost in flyers, I head, coach, that's okay, you don't

952
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: need to do that.

953
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 5: Done so much for me.

954
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: And then and so hung up and he called me

955
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: back and he says, you know what, Tony, I'm just

956
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: gonna come to the funeral. He drove eighty eight year

957
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: old man, not to say probably could be a better

958
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 2: driver than someone that's young. I mean, but anyway, point

959
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: being said is that h that he drove all the

960
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: way from Homo, Oklahoma to Tulsa, which was like a

961
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: two hour to and a half hour, and showed up.

962
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: But she was there at my mom's You know, I

963
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: can't think of any other guy family members, let alone

964
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: a coach or has thousands and thousands of players and

965
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: people will legendary coach would take time for any player,

966
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: for anybody to be there for him, right, So it

967
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: says a lot about Yeah, it certainly does. It's hard

968
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: for me to say anything negative about that man.

969
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, those that kind of experience certainly is unique.

970
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with coach Landry. When I had

971
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: my car accident and I had to retire, lost my

972
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: brother in that accident, and while they're up in Jersey

973
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: comforting my family and putting my brother to rest in everything,

974
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: I'm in a hospital, Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas. And the

975
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: person that was there the whole time, Tom Landraw And

976
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: you didn't know he was like that. You know, you

977
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: probably didn't know Barry Switzer had that kind of heart

978
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: and cared that much about his players to be there

979
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: for you like that, And those are the things you remember.

980
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: And this is way beyond the playing days. Yeah, and

981
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: we'll still become friends and everyone calls cost Switzerland.

982
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's you know, he's all led out for him, don't.

983
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I'll tell you what you're talking about. If

984
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: someone ever says anything bad about Coach Switzerland, I'm like that,

985
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: you know, I freaking bow up, and I'm like, hey,

986
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: you know there's you just don't I mean, the guy

987
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: won't tell you what he's just and and I think

988
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: that that's, you know, that's the the memories that you have,

989
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 2: because we all understand that when we're playing for playing

990
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: the game, we're playing for a coach everyone perspective. You know,

991
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: you feel like you're just as important as the other guy.

992
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know that we know that's but once

993
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: you get out of the game, you're still having that

994
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: bond and that relationship and.

995
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 5: There for you.

996
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to find anyone, let alone someone like

997
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: him or has status or just is beloved by so

998
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: many people and players and just you know, mankind, I

999
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: mean the dude, I mean, there's not too many people

1000
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: I know, I know for sure that would do that

1001
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: for me, I mean my wife. And you know, I'm

1002
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 2: just saying someone like that, and that's that's uh, that's

1003
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: that's the core to the.

1004
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 5: Bomb, right you know.

1005
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I appreciate you expressing that to us because

1006
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, on the outside looking in, you don't think

1007
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: coach Switcher cared that much. You know, he thought more

1008
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: winning and all that and flamboyancy and all that kind

1009
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: of stuff. But deep down, you know that's why he won,

1010
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: you know, because that's the way he cared about his players.

1011
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 3: And the players saw that and they played for him. Y'all.

1012
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: Y'all played for him absolutely, Yeah, one championships and everything,

1013
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: and that's what you do.

1014
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: And even like Jimmy Johnson and certainly for you know,

1015
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: Tom Landry, but you know, Jimmy had a different way

1016
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: of motivating and and and his whole process, but same thing.

1017
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 5: I mean, you believed in him.

1018
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: You play for him because he believed in you, and

1019
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: he just had a way of you know, I always

1020
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: think the communication. You know, if people always ask you,

1021
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: how what do you miss about the game of football,

1022
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: regardless how old you are, But not only do you

1023
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: remember these relationships that you and I and we're not

1024
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: even but I'm talking about with your former former teammates,

1025
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: that that chemistry and just being able to talk to

1026
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: each other and just you know, it's a different time

1027
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: in life. But you know, I think I think the

1028
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: thing with great motivators and leaders like Jimmy, is that

1029
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: they have a way of just pushing your buttons. Yes,

1030
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, right, I mean, and and

1031
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: they're they're the right way to push those buttons. And

1032
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: they just have a they have that skill to be

1033
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: able to, like great leaders, to be able to push

1034
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: a button and be able to read people. And in

1035
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: the world of you know, certainly the way the world

1036
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: is in NFL now and pro sports is totally different.

1037
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: But still I think players, I think people want that.

1038
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 2: They want to they want someone to like challenge them.

1039
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: They want to, and you got to You've got to

1040
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: be able to fail, and you have to be able

1041
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: to go through all these different adverse situations and certainly

1042
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: when you're winning. And that's one thing about you know,

1043
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: us being no experience winning Super Bowls, is that not

1044
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: only we have the leaders, but the players that were

1045
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: willing to do that. Because you have to be willing.

1046
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: You have to be not not vulnerable, a little not submissive,

1047
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: but you have to be able to be humble because

1048
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, there's so many guys man, there's like it's like, dude,

1049
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: you know this be motivated. We're all doing it. Yeah,

1050
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know how it is. Everybody's

1051
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: doing it. The great Drew Pearson's doing it, then I'm

1052
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: going to do it. Tory Aikman's doing it. I'm doing

1053
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: it leaders because and those guys led because they did it.

1054
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: So same thing with the coaching man.

1055
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: Well, there's some good stuff, Tony.

1056
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 5: Absolutely man love this.

1057
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: We got to get into a little bit of your

1058
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: personal life and what you're doing now, not so much personal,

1059
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: but what you're doing now every day for and you

1060
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: can see us and uh as we wrap up the show,

1061
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: this is some good stuff. We can make two or

1062
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: three parts of this. I have a chance of rambling on,

1063
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: but that's what you're so good at. Ye defensive guys.

1064
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: When you get a chance to talk, y'all like to talk. Yeah,

1065
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: too tall He did a great job too when we

1066
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: had him here. But we appreciate you taking the time.

1067
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 3: But we want to talk about a little bit more

1068
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: of what you're doing now. We'll do that right after

1069
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: we come back with the Route Tree, before we wrap

1070
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: it up for another episode of the Route Tree.

1071
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Right here at the Cowboys headquart. How cool is this?

1072
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 6: Oh?

1073
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 5: This is perfect? Pretty cool? Huh, this is this is

1074
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: the credit, the crew.

1075
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: This is better than most TV stations I worked over

1076
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: the years.

1077
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I worked in most of those.

1078
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: I like that.

1079
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: I like the lighting man, the lighting. Now you want

1080
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: to come well, I want to come back to the

1081
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: super Bowl, will have a party. This might be the

1082
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: place to do it. Absolutely, Yeah, look at all the monitor,

1083
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 3: but it is. It's that's awesome. But that's the Dallas

1084
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: Cowboys and that's how to do it. And you Tony Casius,

1085
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: and that's how you've done it. And we want to

1086
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 3: talk about how you've been doing it in your life

1087
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: after football, we'll do that right after this hood.

1088
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 6: Every day begins with a promise, a promise to work

1089
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 6: hard and to build a future. That's why we're here

1090
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Speaker 3: To the roup tree. All right, welcome back to the

1131
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: route tree. I'm Drew Pearson. That guy sitting next to me, Tony.

1132
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: You can see us.

1133
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: I will say this. You wide receivers of the most

1134
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: athletic and the most diva. There's some divas.

1135
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: Oh man, I was I was one. Yeah, I was

1136
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: one within the structure of tom Landers system. Okay, you

1137
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 3: don't go so far.

1138
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: Okay, well you already take you so far.

1139
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: Okay, but you gotta be a little concerned about the

1140
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: response because you know, back in the day, uh, they

1141
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: cut you and think nothing of it. I had a

1142
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: guy played behind me for eight seasons named Butch Johnson.

1143
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, they cutting me. He steps right in. Yeah,

1144
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: so even when I had my car accident, you know,

1145
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: I you know, we had a hole there at wide

1146
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: receiver which steps right in.

1147
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's always somebody else, isn't there always somebody

1148
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: that's the game? Right, absolutely everything.

1149
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: You're the best and the greatest and everything that you

1150
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 3: play forever and then here come to the next guy.

1151
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: But the next guy here on the route tree is

1152
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: the great Tony casiis. Thanks for being with us, man

1153
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: great and some great story, some great insights, some great information,

1154
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: some things we haven't even heard, you know. So this

1155
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: might hit the mainstream media, you never know, but we

1156
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 3: want to take it back to where we are now.

1157
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: The Tony CASII is sixty two years old. House life

1158
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: for you and what do you do on a daily

1159
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: basis and that type of thing.

1160
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 2: Well, again, I'm just blessed to you know, sixty two

1161
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: and be healthy.

1162
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 5: Knock on the wood. You just never know.

1163
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: But you know, my routines every day starts with, you know,

1164
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: getting up and warming up the body. I do a

1165
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: lot of cold plunge, which I think is really good.

1166
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: It's probably the fifty degree water and to me this

1167
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: helps it enhance the circulation. Go to the gym, probably

1168
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: round eight thirty.

1169
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 5: I'm not giving you a whole itinery and everything.

1170
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm doing, but the point being is it's I started

1171
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: off with that. It's kind of part of my uh

1172
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, the way the way I look at it now,

1173
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm when I can do it until as long as

1174
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: I can, because I still I still get some kind

1175
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: of ufore, you know, I'm not.

1176
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 3: I don't run anymore, but I do a lot.

1177
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: Of like a high end impact It's called HIT, which

1178
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: is high intensity cardio, and I do a ton of that,

1179
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: and so that starts my day off.

1180
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: You know. Over the years since I've been out, I.

1181
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: Mean, I've been in the media, I've been in businesses,

1182
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: I've been you know, I play a lot of golf.

1183
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I've done a lot of different things, you know,

1184
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: and to this day, I continue. You know, one thing

1185
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: about that star and winning super Bowls, it's it's been

1186
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: not that you're totally relevant, but there's some relevancy for

1187
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: for you as a former player and being an associalates organization.

1188
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: So there's always stuff that come up with that. So

1189
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: I've been very fortunate, I think now, uh, you know,

1190
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: I've been married for twenty going on twenty nine years. Man,

1191
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what she needs about twenty nine Lombardi

1192
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: Awards Hall of Famer.

1193
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: Sure, she's like the elite of the elite right on,

1194
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: I'll be I'll admit that now. When you meet her

1195
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: in college, she's a buck guy.

1196
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 5: Man.

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00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So this is a funny story. So Oklahoma State,

1198
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 3: but no ask you he the high state. Yeah, that's

1199
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Speaker 3: what it is. I hear.

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Speaker 5: It's all you see someone. You'll be in the airport, you.

1201
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: Meet her at a bowl game or something. No, no,

1202
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: so no, no. So nineteen ninety four, I believe I

1203
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: was right before I was going to New York.

1204
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: You know, I was singling, you know back in the day. Man,

1205
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna saying, hey boy, it was it was

1206
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: some fun times. So so I was I really wasn't

1207
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: playing it on settling down or having a girlfriend. And

1208
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: I was just being that dude man, you know, being

1209
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: out there having a good time and you know being

1210
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: uh you know, playing that role as a NFL baller

1211
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: and Super Bowl champion, know.

1212
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 5: All that stuff with it.

1213
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: So I was just out and and so uh I'm

1214
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: a big fan of uh of uh pro golf, uh,

1215
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: the PGA, and so Fred Couples, I'd met him a

1216
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: couple of times. He came out to the the complex

1217
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: bring they bring people out there on Saturday. Yeah, so

1218
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: Fred Couples, they call him Boom Boom, and but the

1219
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: dude's got a tremendous swing. But anyway, I had met him.

1220
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: They came out on a Saturday before a game, and

1221
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: so I'd already met him. And so fast forward when

1222
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: I was I think it was in September. I was

1223
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: getting ready to go to August, going to New York,

1224
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: and I was out with my guys at a place

1225
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: called uh uh Sopango. Do you remember, Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah,

1226
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: yeah absolutely.

1227
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 5: They had the real room downstairs and I hang out.

1228
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, VI, I p to get.

1229
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 5: You had a lot of hood.

1230
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: I thought they had the hut hut sex and still yeah,

1231
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: they got a picture bear in the corner. It's not there.

1232
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: Well yeah, so legendary.

1233
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 2: Yes, Like you said, I'm glad there's no no cell

1234
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: phones and all that.

1235
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: You can deny, deny, no, lie, lie till you die.

1236
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: You could deny, deny because they didn't have any proof proof.

1237
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: Right, we had to leave ready to get out of there, right.

1238
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm.

1239
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: So, I go out there with my buddy, and it

1240
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: was just so happened. Uh Tamar, that's my wife's name

1241
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: at the time. She was out there. She was there

1242
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: with her sister. Fred was engaged to my my sister

1243
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: in law at the time, and she was out there

1244
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: selling her birthday and so one of her friends that

1245
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: was with her came up brought her over to me.

1246
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: Because she was single. I didn't know she was going

1247
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: to was a divorce a lot, I don't know the situation. Anyways,

1248
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: she brings her over there and she introduces me, and

1249
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, who's this hot chick. So I'm sitting her talking.

1250
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: So I go over there and I'm and she goes yeah,

1251
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: and her friend said, yeah, she's with Fred. So Fred

1252
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: was there. So anyway, I was sitting here talking. Excuse

1253
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: So anyway, fast forward, I was in New York and

1254
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: she sent me a picture of her and I was like,

1255
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: you know how it is when you get letters, and

1256
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, I had some marketing and so I was like, oh, well,

1257
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: maybe this is some I don't know, yeah, opportunity.

1258
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 5: So open it up.

1259
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: And it was a picture and I remember I've was

1260
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: taking her picture and showing it in the locker room,

1261
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: was like, hey.

1262
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: What do you think about her?

1263
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 5: I met her?

1264
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: Boy?

1265
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I met her in nineteen ninety four and

1266
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: she we're going on twenty nine, be twenty nine in February.

1267
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: Wow, what a blessing.

1268
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: And I tell you what I mean, that's one thing

1269
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: about again, the knucklehead I am and the things that

1270
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: I've done, you know, just so you need someone.

1271
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 5: But I mean she's a.

1272
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: You know, she's a buck guy, and she's she doesn't

1273
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: put up with any ship, you know, and she tells

1274
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: you that she's very.

1275
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 5: Transparent, nice and dealing with she has to.

1276
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well she's you know, one thing honestly is

1277
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: the best policy. And sometimes she's very and so I'm

1278
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: just very lucky. If the three kids. My oldest son's

1279
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: thirty one, he lives in Austin.

1280
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 3: What his name's Chase, and then I have the twins,

1281
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: Chase Cas that's well, he's my uh stuff. Okay.

1282
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: So so what happened is that when I first when

1283
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: I first met my wife, he was six months. I

1284
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: didn't realize that she was six months. So it was

1285
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 2: a package deal, which is all right, right, up, I did,

1286
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: so he left you.

1287
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1288
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: So anyways, I mean it's kind of weird going from

1289
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: where I was all of a sudden having this package still.

1290
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

1291
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 5: And so then I have twins, Jet and Sofia. They're

1292
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 5: twenty five.

1293
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: Uh they both live in wins Wow. Pretty cool.

1294
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they both live in Dallas and uh uh

1295
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: so you talk about we were talking about earlier about

1296
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: almost going to ut in Texas. Well, my son, the

1297
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 2: oldest one, which has a grand baby, his name is

1298
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: Luke calling Squist ten months old. He decided he he

1299
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: ended up going to Texas and that was hard, brother. Yeah,

1300
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: I bet getting up and you know, in the morning,

1301
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: having that burn orange on made me want to throw up.

1302
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: So that was a big game here at the Cotton

1303
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Bowl and everything.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So, so Jet and Sophia, they my oldest her twin

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Speaker 2: brother Jet, he ended up going to Oklahoma.

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Speaker 5: He wanted to be a Sooner. He's got him.

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Speaker 2: And then uh, my my daughter Sophia, which is a

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Speaker 2: lot like Tam or my wife. Uh, she's great. Uh

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Speaker 2: she went to Arkansas woo pixel Yeah. So yeah, so

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Speaker 2: uh it's great. You know how it is having kids,

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Speaker 2: it's uh, it's it's great. And one thing I realized

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Speaker 2: watching uh, watching my my oldest son has has Luke,

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01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: is that when they travel somewhere all the stuff you

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Speaker 2: have to take and I'm thinking, gosh, dang, I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at my wife and we had twins. Yeah, double your

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Speaker 2: pleasure and double everything, and they bring all this stuff

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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my.

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Speaker 5: God, I mean we we we went through that. But

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Speaker 5: you don't even think about it.

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Speaker 3: You just it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the best thing about is is it's it's truly

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: as much as we love Luke and we face theme

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01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: all the time, and they they end up going home

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Speaker 2: at one point, which you don't maybe want to, but

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's been a blessing, man. I mean it

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Speaker 2: really has to watch.

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Speaker 3: That right on. That says a lot about you being

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Speaker 3: a good guy man, not just a great football player,

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Speaker 3: but a good person as well. And that's what it's

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Speaker 3: all about, TC, because you can't super Bowls without quality people.

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Speaker 3: All right, you have quality players, the talented players, but

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 3: like coach Landry said, if you don't have the character,

1334
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Speaker 3: the intelligence, the passion and then some talent, you know

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Speaker 3: you're not going to have much success.

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Speaker 1: But you got to have that at that top is

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Speaker 1: the character.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's what I see a lot, and Tony

1339
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: can see it's a lot of character. But before we

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Speaker 3: wrap up today's game, anything different you wish you could

1341
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: play in today's game as opposed to the rules when

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Speaker 3: you played. Before we wrap this thing up, I got

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Speaker 3: a lot of opinions about the game.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I think the money was the obvious.

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Speaker 3: That's the obvious. I don't know how we'd.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're all on part of social media because

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Speaker 2: that's kind of where we're at. That's kind of what

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01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: our world is. And you have to be present out

1349
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: there if you just you know, you want to you know,

1350
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Speaker 2: it's just just a mainstream media so to speak, you know.

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Speaker 5: And and so.

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Speaker 2: I think that obviously the game itself, the rules, there's

1353
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: too many rules in the game of football, I mean,

1354
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: to identify. Everyone has to explain it to the you know,

1355
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: you watch a game and the commentators, they got to

1356
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: they have a guy in there that's going over instant

1357
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Speaker 2: replay because there's this complexity of the calls and understandings

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Speaker 2: a I mean, you know, I mean, as a wide receiver,

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01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: you probably just like I mean, you you probably there's

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01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: there's there's an offensive game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know more so now yeah when I

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Speaker 3: was coming.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean changes. I mean, I'm sure

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: that you wish they'd have had a lot of those

1365
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: personal Uh. If I if I going across and running

1366
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: a slant route.

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Speaker 3: If I played in these rules, I wouldn't be in

1368
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. I'd be in Huntsville because I

1369
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: would have been illegal. All right, the Huntsville Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: Was he just quit on that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 3: With us. That's some good man. And thank you for

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01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 3: taking the time to come down to the Cowboys Star

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: Headquarters and do this deal live because it's very enlightening

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 3: and I'm sure our audience is going to appreciate Tony

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01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 3: Cassis being part of the show today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for playing part of the Route Tree.

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01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: And we'll be back next week with another edition or

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Speaker 3: an episode, call it what you want, but we'll be

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Speaker 3: back next week right here at the Cowboy Headquarters with

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Speaker 3: the Route Tree.

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Speaker 6: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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Speaker 6: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.