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Speaker 1: Welcome into Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the

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Speaker 1: Road Forward. Thanks for joining us. We were just on

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Speaker 1: the heels of Memorial Day weekend and what a powerful

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend. It really was reminding us that freedom

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Speaker 1: isn't free. And now we're in the full swing of summer.

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Speaker 1: In the midst of this, some shocking attacks on Christians

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Speaker 1: and Seattle by left wing radicals Antifa, throwing water balloon

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Speaker 1: some say, filled with urine bottles and sticks at them,

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Speaker 1: surrounding a pregnant mother holding a baby that had to

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Speaker 1: be rescued by police. The result, twenty three people were arrested.

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Speaker 1: Seattle's mayor sided with the violent radicals and said that

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Speaker 1: the Christian event was led by extremists and radicals can't

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Speaker 1: make this stuff up. Controversy surrounding former President Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is mental incapacity. It's continuing just on real how the

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Speaker 1: left hit and lied to the American people and then

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Speaker 1: did all they could to justify their actions simply on

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Speaker 1: the basis of controlling the influence and outcome of President

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And for the first time in nineteen years,

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Speaker 1: there's some good news. The polling firm Rasmussen Reports finds

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Speaker 1: that a majority of Americans believe our country is headed

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. And today is June first, Father's Day,

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Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks away. Better buy that tie

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Speaker 1: for Dad. But did you also know that it's Men's

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Speaker 1: Health Awareness Month. Our conversations today are going to be

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Speaker 1: about offering encouragement to men and women in their personal journey.

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Speaker 2: Also a word of hope and encouragement.

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Speaker 1: For you, your heart and those you love. I'm doctor

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Speaker 1: Tim Clinton, president of the American Association of Christian Counselors.

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Speaker 1: I'll be your host, our special guest joining us this week.

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Speaker 1: He's the lead pastor of New Life Church International, Plant City, Florida.

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Speaker 1: Bishop Kelvin Colbert's is back. She's a leading authority on

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Speaker 1: parenting teens and children's health. Pediatrician, mother and best selling author,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Meg Meeker is back and he is the founder

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Speaker 1: of the National Center for Fathering Fathers dot Com. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Ken canfillers with us. She is a national speaker, author,

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Speaker 1: professional counselor, founder of the Abba Pride. Doctor Michelle Watson

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Speaker 1: canfield us back. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Come to him, Come us Christ Wrong, love me Sworthy.

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Speaker 1: Sweat well, another wild week in America and around the world.

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Speaker 1: Phil Robertson was a strong voice for clarity and the

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Speaker 1: world of chaos and confusion passed away. He stood strong

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Speaker 1: for Christ and never blinked on issues like religious liberty,

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Speaker 1: life and more. He knew his final destination and shared

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Speaker 1: Jesus with boldness, inspiring millions to do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Married to Ms Kay for nearly sixty years, he stood

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Speaker 1: strong for family values and encouraged love of family and

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Speaker 1: of the great outdoors. We had a privilege of hosting

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Speaker 1: him along with son Willie, Chase, Allen, Uncle Cy and

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Speaker 1: all of them at our Ignitement's Impact weekends through the years.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely wild. Thank you Phil for standing strong. Our thoughts

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Speaker 1: and prayers are with the Robertson family, and in spite

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Speaker 1: of our best efforts, the Democrats and left wing media

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Speaker 1: are trying to talk down the economy American consumers, They're

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Speaker 1: not buying it. Consumer confidence jumped twelve points in May,

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Speaker 1: the largest monthly gaining years, and the economy it's booming

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Speaker 1: and for the first time in nineteen years again. The

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Speaker 1: polling firm Rashmusen Reports finds that a majority of Americans

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Speaker 1: believe our country. It's headed in the right direction. That's

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Speaker 1: a big change from the Biden Harrish years, when Americans

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Speaker 1: overwhelming felt like we were on the wrong track. President Trump,

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Speaker 1: Vice President Vance, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. They gave

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Speaker 1: us a breath of fresh air. This past week, all

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Speaker 1: spoke at the Arlington National Cemetery, honoring our fallen heroes

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Speaker 1: and our gold Star our families. President Trump delivered the

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Speaker 1: commencement address at West Point. Vice President Vance spoke to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five graduating class at the Naval Academy.

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Speaker 1: Defense Secretary Hegsith and built a powerful new recruiting ad.

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Speaker 1: By the way, recruiting's up in the military right now,

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Speaker 1: very exciting. In every case they I think they all

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Speaker 1: sounded the same theme. The purpose of the military is

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Speaker 1: to defend the United States and if necessary, go to

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Speaker 1: war to.

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Speaker 2: Fight for victory.

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Speaker 1: In the midst of all this, we're also making our

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Speaker 1: way toward Father's Day. And it's significant, you know why,

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Speaker 1: because men are waking up. They're tired of being dismissed

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Speaker 1: and branded as toxic, toxic masculinity whatever they're using out there,

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Speaker 1: and they're turning to faith and they're standing up for

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Speaker 1: such time as this. I love the prophetic voice of

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Speaker 1: Malachi in the Bible, chapter four, verse six, and he

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Speaker 1: will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,

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Speaker 1: and the hearts of the children to their fathers. God

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Speaker 1: let it be so, Hey, get ready as we jump

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Speaker 1: head first into our discuss us today here on Sunday of.

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Speaker 2: The road forward. By the way, I know we're on

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Speaker 1: God's doing. And then through our time together, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to pray and we're going to get started. God be

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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you for this privilege, just opportunity. I

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Speaker 1: pray that you would strengthen the hearts of Americans everywhere

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Speaker 1: to stand boldly courageously for religious liberty, life, and so

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Speaker 1: much more. Father, thank you for your goodness and grace

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Speaker 1: to us.

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Speaker 2: In Jesus' name. Amen, let's get started.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Bishop Calvin Coberis.

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Speaker 1: He currently serves as lead pastor of New Life Church

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Speaker 1: International and Plant City, Florida. He's a member of the

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Speaker 1: National Faith Advisory Board, a strong voice on righteousness and culture. Bishop,

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Speaker 1: what a delight. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me toud to Clinton.

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Speaker 1: Measure we get started. We're hearing all over the country

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Speaker 1: that America is back. I want to say faith is back.

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Speaker 1: People are saying faith is back. Research is now showing

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Speaker 1: to Bishop, what's interesting is young men in particular coming

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Speaker 1: to Christ in drove seriously, they're really there's an uptick

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Speaker 1: right there. Bishop, are you seeing that you think men

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Speaker 5: I would have to totally agree with you.

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Speaker 6: Faith is back because the deceptive lenses anders are being

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Speaker 6: taken off and people are coming to the reality of

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Speaker 6: what the truth is. And as a result of that,

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Speaker 6: young men and men as a whole are taking their

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Speaker 1: What's interesting, Bishop, the Democratic Party saw this week where

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Speaker 1: they're spending about twenty million dollars to try to understand men,

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Speaker 1: learn how to talk to them. What's interesting too, is

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Speaker 1: a couple of their party gay men said, Wow, we

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Speaker 1: need to protect gay marriage, birth control, divorce porn that'll

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Speaker 1: attract men. Point Bishop, they are what in the what

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Speaker 1: are they thinking?

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Speaker 5: They don't get it. I don't know what they'll think.

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Speaker 6: It's no thinking at all, because the last election cycle

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Speaker 6: proved to them that men were not going to be

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Speaker 6: deceived and find themselves aligning with an immoral agenda that

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Speaker 6: would have young men who think their girls going to

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Speaker 6: of this sexual confusion identity. Men are rising up saying

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Speaker 6: that we've got to protect the image of the mail

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Speaker 6: and most so be the leaders to protect our families.

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Speaker 1: Bishop, we just came through Memorial Day weekend. It was

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Speaker 1: quite a weekend, people remembering those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: We realize that freedom isn't free, but Bishop, military strength,

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Speaker 1: and peace through strength that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 6: Bishop, Right, I'm so glad to see the respect for

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Speaker 6: sure that our military troops are supported and honored. And

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Speaker 6: Memorial Day was all about honoring those falling ones who

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Speaker 6: pay the ultimate price for our liberties and freedom. And

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Speaker 6: I'm just glad to see our military personnel stronger than

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Speaker 1: Bishop in the middle of all of it, to this

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Speaker 1: Biden cognitive decline scandal continues on. I'm telling you, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: We all believe that, but it's all coming out true now.

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable, right, It's unbelievable, And it's elder abuse that you

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Speaker 5: And it's just said, my prayers go out for him.

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Speaker 6: But what we know now is what we've always known,

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Speaker 6: that Joe Biden was declining in his health and it

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Speaker 6: was a mere cover up so that they can continue

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Speaker 6: to control the policies and lift these immoral and crazy

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Speaker 6: But thank God that God has positioned us with a

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Speaker 6: new leader. The blinders of coming off. The deception is

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Speaker 6: over and the truth is coming out.

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Speaker 1: No wonder they were so desperate to hold the line,

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Speaker 1: if you will, weaponizing the DOJ, the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 1: coming after conservatives and calling him domestic terrorists, putting people

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Speaker 2: And more.

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Speaker 1: It all really makes sense now, how desperate and how chaotic.

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Speaker 2: It was and is.

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Speaker 1: Bishop, It's just like, how could that happen in our country,

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Speaker 1: third world country up right in America.

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Speaker 2: Bishop, It's just sad.

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Speaker 6: Yes said in America that we would be going through

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Speaker 6: such deception. But I'm glad that God is still on

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Speaker 6: the throne and he has the final say about who

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Speaker 6: glad that these things are coming to the forefront. That

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Speaker 6: you can't blame anybody because when the truth comes out,

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Speaker 6: the truth comes out, and then we know why things

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Speaker 6: are moving in the vein and direction that they are now.

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Speaker 6: So I'm just glad that now we're coming to know

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Speaker 6: the truth. And Americans know them.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see things changing, Bishop, But all eyes

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Speaker 1: turned to Seattle this week where some Christians were up there,

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Speaker 1: and next thing you know, there were these attacks going on. Antifa,

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Speaker 1: That's good news, hey, and Bishop, the economy is booming.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see this. Where do you attribute to

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Speaker 2: The common sense is coming back. Bishop.

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Speaker 2: Thank God, how about it? Common sense has got to

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Speaker 8: Oh thanks for having me, Tim.

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Speaker 1: Meg pediatrician for all these years. Yet one of your

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Speaker 1: what's the interest? Why'd that become a part of your

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I many years ago, probably twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting when you look at the research, Meg, you

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Speaker 1: I know that you speak all over the country. You

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Speaker 8: Sure, you know what I found is that fathers are

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Speaker 8: so hungry for help, and there's a lot of fatherhood

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Speaker 8: programs out there that help young boys and fathers help,

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Speaker 8: but there isn't any help for good dads, great dads

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Speaker 8: who just want better relationships with their kids. So what

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Speaker 8: I did is created short videos for fathers. Watch this

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Speaker 8: five minutes a day. Here's what you can do, here's

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Speaker 8: how you grow closer to your daughter. Here's what you

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Speaker 8: can say, and here's what you shouldn't say. And actually

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Speaker 8: I've been working with the NFL, but now I'm going

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Speaker 8: into working with executives in companies because HR is trying

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Speaker 8: to do a lot of health and wellness and what

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Speaker 8: we've found is if a father has better relationship with

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Speaker 8: his kids, company profits go up, retentionment employees go up.

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Speaker 8: So I really take dads into a deep but simple

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Speaker 8: dive on into how they can grow closer to their daughter,

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Speaker 8: meet their daughter's needs. And it's so simple, tim That's

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Speaker 8: the cool part. Parents make everything so complicated, but daughters,

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Speaker 8: all they really want is their dad's presence. So that's

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Speaker 8: what I'm really sort of venturing into because there's nobody

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Speaker 8: else out there doing it. Moms get a lot of

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Speaker 8: help but fathers in general don't get much help.

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Speaker 1: So usually here too, I get pushed back in two areas.

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Speaker 1: Meg One is what if I've blown it and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I can recover. The other one is

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Speaker 1: is it too late? My kids are grown, they're gone,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Is there still anything that I can do

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Speaker 1: to maybe connect with my kids?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely? I hear that all the time, and particularly from

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Speaker 8: men in their fifties or sixties. It's too late. My

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Speaker 8: daughter hates me, she's a strange. And I tell Dad's this.

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Speaker 8: Every woman takes one man to a grave, and it's dad.

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Speaker 8: And that means whether she's forty or thirty, or twenty

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Speaker 8: or fifty, she always wants healing with her dad. And

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Speaker 8: so it's never too late. The most forgiving person you'll

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Speaker 8: ever meet in your life, dad is your daughter. If

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Speaker 8: you're strange, yeah, you need to work really, really hard

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Speaker 8: at it, but you need to know that deep in

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Speaker 8: her heart she wants a better relationship. Now, she's going

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Speaker 8: to give you a lot of pushback, and she's going

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Speaker 8: to snarl, and it's going to be hard. Never ever

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Speaker 8: too late for a dad to reconnect with his daughter

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Speaker 8: or his son.

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Speaker 1: Megan if people want to learn more about you, your books,

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Speaker 1: your videos, your video series for fathers and more, where

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Speaker 1: can they go?

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Speaker 8: Go to meet yourparenting dot com. I also have a

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Speaker 8: We've just started a parenting group where people can write

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Speaker 8: in and ask questions. It is so fun. So just

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Speaker 8: go to meet your parenting dot com and look around.

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Speaker 8: And I have all sorts of sources. I have all

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Speaker 8: sorts of resources for parents.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Meg Meeker would have liked to have you. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me coming up next. Founder of

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Speaker 1: the National Center for Fathering Fathers dot Com, Doctor Kencanfield

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Speaker 1: us with us.

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Speaker 9: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 9: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 9: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Johnny's now is doctor Ken Canfield. Ken is the founder

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Speaker 1: of the National Center for Fathering and has been involved

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Speaker 1: in countless organizations geared toward fatherhood. He's written several books,

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Speaker 1: including The Seven Secrets of Effective Fathers, The Heart of

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Speaker 1: a Father, and most recently, The Heart of Grandparenting. He's

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Speaker 1: appeared on numerous programs such as Today's Show, World News,

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Speaker 1: Tonight's seven hundred Club. Dot Canfield, welcome back, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome.

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Speaker 10: It's a delight always to be with you.

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Speaker 5: Tim Ken.

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Speaker 1: Billy Graham once said, a good father is one of

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Speaker 1: the most unsung, unpraised, unnoticed, and yet one of the

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Speaker 1: most valuable assets in society. You go back to your

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Speaker 1: early years, Ken, and your research developingfathers dot com and more,

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Speaker 1: all the findings, everything that you came across. What do

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Speaker 1: you think stunned you the most about dads?

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Speaker 10: Well, most important, they have been given privileged to him

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Speaker 10: to do things that their fathers didn't do or weren't

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Speaker 10: aware of. And I think doctor Graham has a great

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Speaker 10: insight here. He said, if he did it over again,

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Speaker 10: he would preach less, study more, and spend more time

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Speaker 10: with his family. He said, you want to talk about

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Speaker 10: family life, talk to Ruth, and here is the tension.

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Speaker 10: We've been called to work by the sweat of our

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Speaker 10: brow to him. And sometimes that work hallism can displace

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Speaker 10: the fathering heart God's given each of us who are

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Speaker 10: privileged to have kids.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you look at the research, fatherlesseners is one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest social ills of our day. The majority

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Speaker 1: of Americans, even in spite of it, still believe that

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Speaker 1: dad really matters what eighty six eighty seven percent say

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Speaker 1: a father's influence is critical for children.

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Speaker 2: Ken.

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Speaker 1: When you think of the impact of not having a

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Speaker 1: dad and it's ramifications, what really stands out in that

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Speaker 1: way to you?

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Speaker 10: Yesterday, Tim, I was in the prison. Ninety percent of

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Speaker 10: this one prison I've been working with are fatherless men.

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Speaker 10: They're working through issues that they should have had the

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Speaker 10: help of their dad who was disconnected, maybe mental health,

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Speaker 10: maybe addictions, just maybe issues related to criminal activity, and

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Speaker 10: they followed in their father's footsteps. But the cry of

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Speaker 10: these men is why didn't my dad be there? Why

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Speaker 10: didn't my dad help me? And so you see the

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Speaker 10: social implications. But you know what I love about aacc

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Speaker 10: you go deeper. There's emotional fatherlessness, their spiritual fatherlessness. They're

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Speaker 10: psychological and so Dad's if there's something we can do

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Speaker 10: and bring to the table, it's our heart and our

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Speaker 10: attention and not with all the answers, just being there.

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Speaker 10: That presence will help those children that God's given you

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Speaker 10: to thrive.

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Speaker 2: Ken.

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Speaker 1: About six years ago I became a papa and that

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Speaker 1: was a special day for me. I now have two

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Speaker 1: granddaughters and they're the joy of my life. Ken, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe watching childhood development all over again. But you

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Speaker 1: recently wrote a book, The Heart of Grandparenting. Tell us

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Speaker 1: about that journey and what are you learning about grandparents?

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, to them, as is always the case,

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Speaker 10: you may be a research or an expert, but all

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Speaker 10: of a sudden, God says, I'm going to put this

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Speaker 10: dude in the crucible. So with sixteen grandchildren, I'm like

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Speaker 10: up to here, overwhelmed with joy and fact fascination to

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Speaker 10: see this again like you're seeing, and its powerful. We're wiser,

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Speaker 10: we have more opportunity as grandfathers and grandparents to build

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Speaker 10: into the lives of our children, and we do that

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Speaker 10: in step with them. So one of the best things

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Speaker 10: you can do with your kids and say, hey, I

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Speaker 10: try to be the best that I could be, but

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Speaker 10: you know there are things that I may not have

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Speaker 10: done well, And then ask your kids, can you think

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Speaker 10: of anything? And then it gives you an opportunity to

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Speaker 10: humble yourself. You know you're right, I could have done

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Speaker 10: more of that and less of this, And then say

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Speaker 10: to them, I want to be the best granddad, grandfather

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Speaker 10: or papa I can be. Tell me how I can

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Speaker 10: partner with you in raising this incredible gift God's given you,

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Speaker 10: son or daughter.

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Speaker 1: And through the years I've learned the significance of multi

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Speaker 1: generational influence. That families, by the way, tend to reproduce themselves,

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Speaker 1: and so legacies are developed for good and for bad.

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Speaker 1: I heard doctor Dobson many times through the years do

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Speaker 1: radio broadcasts around a theme of called b there, and

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Speaker 1: he talked about giving us or passing along a spiritual

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Speaker 1: heritage to our children. Kind of know, this is something

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Speaker 1: near and dear to your heart. Talk to us about

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Speaker 1: that very thing. What does it mean to share your

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Speaker 1: faith inside your family? And how can we best do it?

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Speaker 10: You know, that is the sixty four million dollar or

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Speaker 10: let's say billion dollar question. You do it cautiously. You

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Speaker 10: do it by modeling. You do it by being an example.

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Speaker 10: And if you're a father and a grandfather, you do

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Speaker 10: it by blessing, by turning your attentions, particularly why they're

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Speaker 10: in the home, to the details of their life. Check

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Speaker 10: out that personality, what are their gifts? And then when

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Speaker 10: you're removed and a grandfather enrolled him, as you know,

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Speaker 10: you begin to think generationally. I say that women have

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Speaker 10: a biological clock. We know that dads, you have the

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Speaker 10: generational clock. That legacy that you have a responsibility in

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Speaker 10: is profound. And giving attention to that. What do you

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Speaker 10: want to be remembered for? And if anything you can

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Speaker 10: do is connecting them to that spiritual heritage another father

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Speaker 10: is watching out for them in your absence one day

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Speaker 10: when you're with him and his presence, and that is

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Speaker 10: going to be the best baton you can pass on

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Speaker 10: as they face the world. I mean, look at it.

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Speaker 10: That is just coming a part of the scenes.

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Speaker 2: When I think of spiritual heritage.

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Speaker 1: Can I think of the statement the only thing you

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Speaker 1: can take with you to Heaven are your children when

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Speaker 1: you really think about passing on your faith, and so

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Speaker 1: the spiritual heritage piece becomes so central. Ken there's some

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Speaker 1: research coming out about men waking up. Young men in

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Speaker 1: particular are turning to Christ. There seems to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of energy. Men are tired of the beatdown they've

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Speaker 1: gone through, toxic masculinity talks, trying to feminize men take

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Speaker 1: away their role of influence.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, no, no, that's turning a page.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, the Democratic Party all of a sudden is

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Speaker 1: pouring millions of dollars into quote studying men and how

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Speaker 1: can they quote win them back?

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Speaker 2: They turned them away?

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Speaker 1: Ken, just some of your thoughts on where you see

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Speaker 1: men in culture this very moment. And I know your

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Speaker 1: research is around fothering, but boyll boy, you see the

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Speaker 1: fabric in the heart of a man.

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Speaker 2: What's it all about?

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, men need to be called to something.

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Speaker 10: They're ready to give their life. You look at any

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Speaker 10: of the world wars and men were ready to sign

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Speaker 10: up and line up. We're in a spiritual and a

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Speaker 10: moral war right now where ethics are kind of put

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Speaker 10: at and we are being tested in a way. Are

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Speaker 10: we going to get in the game? Are we going

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Speaker 10: to stand strong? And what I like? And I see

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Speaker 10: this too in this young generation, particularly in my grandsons,

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Speaker 10: which we have seven, and I see this passion and

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Speaker 10: commitment just starting to bud. All I would say is

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Speaker 10: find another battle buddy that you can share your heart with.

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Speaker 10: Be vulnerable and transparent with the issues of being a man,

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Speaker 10: and then that battle buddy, make a spiritual bond. Think

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Speaker 10: of David and Jonathan and how they were committed to

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Speaker 10: each other, but there was deep emotional and spiritual bonding

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Speaker 10: going on there, they were committed and when that happens,

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Speaker 10: it says, if two or more are gathered in my name,

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Speaker 10: I'll show up. That is the force that we need

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Speaker 10: to apply in our family and our culture right now

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Speaker 10: more than any Ken.

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Speaker 1: If people want to learn more about you and all

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Speaker 1: those King Canfield resource, this is where can they.

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Speaker 10: Go go to Fathers dot com. We have special needs dads,

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Speaker 10: we have divorce, we have single dads, we have granddads.

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Speaker 10: We have dads at preschool or school age teenagers. What

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Speaker 10: I do is qum not just the research on right

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Speaker 10: now flourishing, which you've been apart in spearheading, Tim, but

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Speaker 10: also just the practical tools and resources. It's there for

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Speaker 10: you and it's.

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Speaker 1: Free Fathers dot com. Doctor Kencanfield, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me. Great Tim coming up next, which is

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Speaker 1: a national speaker, author, professional counselor founder of the Abba Project,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Watson Canfield is back.

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Speaker 9: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 9: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 9: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Johnny's now is doctor Michelle Watson Canfield. She's a national speaker, author,

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Speaker 1: professional counselor and founder of The Abba Project, a form

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Speaker 1: for dads whose daughters are in their teens and their twenties.

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Speaker 1: Michelle is the host of her well known podcast, The

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Speaker 1: Dad Whisperer. Her latest book, Let's Talk Conversation starters for

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Speaker 1: dads and daughters. It's out now, Michelle, welcome back. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining me.

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Speaker 11: Oh, Tim, always a pleasure and an honor to join you.

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Speaker 2: Michelle.

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Speaker 5: Here we are.

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Speaker 2: We're in the month of June. I like June, a

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Speaker 2: little vacation.

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Speaker 1: Father's Day is coming up in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: a special day, and I'm trying to remind my family

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Speaker 1: It's Dad's Day. You got everybody, It's Dad's Day, Michelle. Listen,

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Speaker 1: when you look in culture, you look back a couple

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Speaker 1: of years, pretty bad rap when it comes to men, masculinity,

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Speaker 1: getting beat up about toxic masculinity, and dads get a

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Speaker 1: pretty bad rap. They still do. I don't care what

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Speaker 1: people are saying. Buffoon's disengaged, non verbal basically on non emotional, etc.

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Speaker 1: But it's one of your favorite subjects. Michelle, how did

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Speaker 1: you get drawn into this?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 11: My goodness, it was not of my choosing. It was

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Speaker 11: back in December of two thousand and nine, and I

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Speaker 11: was reading in Luke one about how Zechariah was told

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Speaker 11: that is yet to be born son John, who's John

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Speaker 11: the Baptist we all know, would help turn the hearts,

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Speaker 11: not the heads, of fathers to their children. And I

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Speaker 11: just heard God whisper to my spirit to him and say, Michelle,

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Speaker 11: that's what I want you to do. At the time,

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Speaker 11: I was single, I'd been a clinician and a licensed

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Speaker 11: professional counsel for many years. I thought, but I think

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Speaker 11: you got the wrong person. I don't think I'm going

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Speaker 11: to help turn the hearts of fathers. But I said, okay,

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Speaker 11: God gave me an assignment. So the next month I

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Speaker 11: invited eleven dads whose daughters were my accounting clients at

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Speaker 11: the time, to join me once a month to see

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Speaker 11: if there was a change in them, their daughter and

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Speaker 11: their relationship. We went a whole year, and the changes

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Speaker 11: that I saw in those men were so incredible because

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Speaker 11: I knew that they were changing, which would then have

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Speaker 11: a ripple effect to benefit their daughters. And for ten

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Speaker 11: years I did that in a row, honed it to

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Speaker 11: a nine month group. So the OP project is really

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Speaker 11: something that was birthed out of my counseling practice and

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Speaker 11: mentoring of young women and teenagers since I was nineteen,

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Speaker 11: and I've continued to hone that message, Tim that dads

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Speaker 11: you matter, regardless of what the culture is telling you.

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Speaker 11: God says you matter. And both you and I, Tim

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Speaker 11: have a heart and a passion to equip dads to

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Speaker 11: dial in with more intention and consistency to their children's hearts,

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Speaker 11: and specifically for me, it's their daughters, Michell.

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Speaker 1: Based on the work you've done, and then you look

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Speaker 1: at all the research out there, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: is very significant, things like kids tend to do better

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Speaker 1: on their cognitive skills, they are more strong in the

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Speaker 1: female and male identities, less susceptible to peer pressure, better

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Speaker 1: mental health. So much as out there, Michelle, as you've

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Speaker 1: kind of scanned all that and you've interacted and led

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Speaker 1: the way here, what really has your attention about the

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Speaker 1: significance of dads, I mean, what stands out the most

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Speaker 1: to you?

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Speaker 11: Well, back to the whole thing about most of us

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Speaker 11: have a last name that ties to our father, and

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Speaker 11: so the whole idea of identity, right, we have so

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Speaker 11: much gender identity gender confusion, and I truly believe that

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Speaker 11: if dads are more connected. A feeling of connection with

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Speaker 11: your children is what forms their identity. So we can

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Speaker 11: rise up against so much that's happening in the culture.

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Speaker 11: But I think it's the wrong stance to him. I

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Speaker 11: think it's rather than a stance of being against what

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Speaker 11: is out there. I say, Dad, focus on what you

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Speaker 11: can before or toward. Turn your heart. That's the command

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Speaker 11: that God gives. Turn your heart toward your children, which

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Speaker 11: means softer response is less anger, more listening, more attunement,

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Speaker 11: more attachment, and focus more on what you can do

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Speaker 11: rather than what isn't working or what's coming against your kids.

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Speaker 1: Shall We hear a lot around the concepts of father

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Speaker 1: thirst father hunger in culture, and when you look at fatherlessness,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty sobering. You have about forty percent of America's

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Speaker 1: kids will wake up at some point during their life

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Speaker 1: in a home where their biological father doesn't live, and

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Speaker 1: somewhat twenty seven to thirty million kids. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a that's a really big deal. So it's

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Speaker 1: hard to deal with fatherlessness and a culture that is

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Speaker 1: so rampant with it. Yet, when you look at and

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Speaker 1: assess where people are on the impact of a father

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Speaker 1: what some eighty plus percent will say, he's really significant.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, probably the greatest social ill of our

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Speaker 1: day is the absence of dad. Yet at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we all agree that his influences input, his being there

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Speaker 1: matters like crazy. So, Michelle, there's this there's this tension here,

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Speaker 1: and how do you how do you get a voice

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Speaker 1: in the midst of that? You know that, how do

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Speaker 1: you speak to it? How do you speak to it

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Speaker 1: at church in conversations over a cup of coffee with

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Speaker 1: someone you know?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think, like you just said, it is one

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Speaker 11: to one. And hopefully those listening to your heart and

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Speaker 11: my heart today are hearing God, the father's heart through

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Speaker 11: us as we implore dads to be more engaged in

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Speaker 11: their children's life. Because we can talk about fatherlessness all

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Speaker 11: day long out there in the world and the culture.

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Speaker 11: But Dad, I want to ask you, if you're listening,

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Speaker 11: how present are you when you are home? Are you

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Speaker 11: actually absent as a father when it comes to putting

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Speaker 11: down your phone so that you can listen, more, so

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Speaker 11: that you put down the remote, so that you're less

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Speaker 11: engaged in watching television and more engaged in watching what

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Speaker 11: your children are interested in and joining them in activities

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Speaker 11: that let them know you care, you love. You're dialed

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Speaker 11: in because again I think this posture of saying, how

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Speaker 11: do you, as a dad at home invest in your

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Speaker 11: kids because you are leaving a forever legacy in their lives,

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Speaker 11: and whether or not they're telling you that you have

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Speaker 11: value or you know, affirming that they want you in

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Speaker 11: their lives, you as the adult, as the father, want

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Speaker 11: to take the initiative and say, the research shows my

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Speaker 11: investment in their lives matters and will have a lasting

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Speaker 11: impact on there as you mentioned earlier, their cognitive development,

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Speaker 11: their confidence, less body dissatisfaction, and healthier weight, yes, more

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Speaker 11: likely to hold steady employment. On and on it goes

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Speaker 11: the benefits of a dialed in dad.

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Speaker 1: Shall you have a book out called Let's Talk. It's

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Speaker 1: really a book for dads and daughters. Inside it you

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Speaker 1: take men on a journey.

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Speaker 2: Will say this.

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Speaker 1: I think when when girls hit puberty, it gets a

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Speaker 1: little awkward between dad and daughter. We don't know how

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Speaker 1: to hug and touch and you know, make this work.

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Speaker 1: And so there's a phase in there that gets a

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Speaker 1: little clumsy and there's a tendency to move back away

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Speaker 1: if you will live it as a dad, rushing in

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Speaker 1: becomes really important. That's kind of the gift that you

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Speaker 1: of what you wanted to give to Dad's take us

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Speaker 1: down that journey.

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Speaker 11: And you're exactly right that I really believe that the

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Speaker 11: reason God led me to start the ABBA Project for

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Speaker 11: daughters thirteen to thirty is right in that awkward place

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Speaker 11: where a lot of dads say, yeah, she's developing, I

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Speaker 11: don't want to touch her in the wrong place. And

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Speaker 11: I'm saying, Dad, you've got to know she doesn't feel

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Speaker 11: any different about who she is, and she's already awkward

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Speaker 11: as her body's changing. You don't want to reinforce that.

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Speaker 11: I'll always remember the day I was getting a pedicure,

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Speaker 11: sitting alongside a woman talking about Oh I love you know,

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Speaker 11: helping dads dial into their daughter's heart, and the story

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Speaker 11: begin to unfold. She said, my dad's no longer living,

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Speaker 11: probably a gal about thirty years old, and said, I

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Speaker 11: don't know what happened, but when I was thirteen ish,

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Speaker 11: right in there, my dad just stopped hugging me. Always

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Speaker 11: thought it was something wrong with me. I'd done something bad,

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Speaker 11: or something inherent had changed that made me unlikable. This Dad,

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Speaker 11: I know, would have never known. That's how his backing

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Speaker 11: off was interpreted by his daughter. So, Dad, I hope

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Speaker 11: that that story can touch your heart today to say,

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Speaker 11: if I've been backing off, it's time for me to

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Speaker 11: turn that around. It's never too late, Dad, to change

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Speaker 11: course and to turn back toward your daughter, because she

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Speaker 11: needs more safe touch from you now into puberty, perhaps

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Speaker 11: than even before. And that's how you can safeguard her

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Speaker 11: hunger as you talked about earlier, or her thirst to

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Speaker 11: go in the wrong direction. We all know the song

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Speaker 11: looking for Love in all the wrong places, and it's

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Speaker 11: because of a void or often a hunger for more

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Speaker 11: safe touch. Model that to her. Dad, that's the best

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Speaker 11: antidote and safeguard you can have toward her choosing the

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Speaker 11: dude or the dud.

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Speaker 1: Michelle, If people want to learn more about you these

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Speaker 1: kind of practical resources, where can they.

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Speaker 11: Go, Doctor Michelle Watson dot com. Lots of free resources.

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Speaker 11: A link to the blog that I do every other Friday,

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Speaker 11: the Dad Daughter Friday Blog. I've got lots of free resources, PDFs, there,

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Speaker 11: things that you Dad can put into action. A link

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Speaker 11: also to my two books and the dad Whisper podcast

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Speaker 11: is always where they can find me, so doctor Michelle

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Speaker 11: Watson dot com.

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Speaker 2: Michelle, so great to have you. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 11: It's a joy.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Tim for more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow

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Speaker 9: doctor Tim Clinton on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love

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Speaker 9: being a part.

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Speaker 3: Of your life.

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Speaker 2: And closing.

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Speaker 1: These are unprecedented times, difficult times, but I know this

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Speaker 1: God's in control.

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Speaker 2: I believe he's at work.

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Speaker 1: I hope again you'll press in close to him in

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Speaker 1: his heart and know that he loves you and that

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Speaker 1: he wants to be in your life. Our hope, our

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Speaker 1: strength comes from the Here's an incredible encouraging verse again

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Speaker 1: from the Bible. He will turn the hearts of the children.

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Speaker 1: This is Malachi for six, the hearts of the fathers

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Speaker 1: to the children, and the hearts of the children to

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Speaker 1: their fathers. Hope you know also that you can look

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Speaker 1: to him for wisdom and direction in your everyday life.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this, I've learned as a professional counselor

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Speaker 1: that it's normal to have concern, maybe fear, worry when

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Speaker 1: life's not the way it's supposed to be. But I've

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Speaker 1: also learned if you're not careful it can begin to

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Speaker 1: consume you, control you, and it's easy to lose perspective.

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Speaker 1: Some even feel like they've lost hope. They can get

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Speaker 1: so dark that some would feel like life would be

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Speaker 1: better off without them. Say this every week. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to live like that. Simply taking a step, reaching

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Speaker 1: out for help or hope, it's the gateway.

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Speaker 2: To a new day, a new you.

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Speaker 1: And if you, or so many love is struggling, hope

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Speaker 1: you'll do that very thing, reach out for help again.

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Speaker 1: There are wonderful counsels and pastors who care you can

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Speaker 1: I'd love to connect you with some of those. You

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Speaker 1: can learn more information at our website at AACC dot net.

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Speaker 2: That's AACC dot net.

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Speaker 1: Or if you want to find a Christian mental health

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Speaker 1: care leader in your area, we have a new website

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Speaker 1: called Christian Care Connect. That's christiancareconnect dot com. You don't

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Speaker 1: have a personal relationship with God in Christ, well I

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Speaker 1: know something you can do that right now by asking

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Speaker 1: Him to commend your life, ask him to forgive you

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Speaker 1: of your sin and to come into your life as

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Speaker 1: your heart to God's heart. Lord Jesus, I need you.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm a sinner. I believe you died for

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Speaker 1: my sins. I turn from them. I invite you to

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Speaker 1: come into my heart and into my life. I want

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Speaker 1: to trust and follow you as my Lord and savior.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for loving me, for giving your son is

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Speaker 1: life for me. Thank you for the gift of grace

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Speaker 1: and forgiveness, and the gift of eternal life. I pray

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Speaker 1: all this in Jesus's name.

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 1: You know what the Bible says Romans ten to nine.

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Speaker 1: It says that if you confess with your mouth that

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Speaker 1: you will be saved. I believe if you prayed that

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Speaker 1: you can do now is go and serve God for

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Speaker 1: the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength

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Speaker 1: It's just I've lost my way. I hope you'll pick

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Speaker 1: eight eight. And before we go, maybe God has gifted

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Speaker 2: I am doctor Tim Clinton. As always, thanks for watching.

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Speaker 1: See you next week right here on Sunday The Room

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Speaker 1: Forward on Real America's Voice News.

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