Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.
Speaker 3: And I'm Joe McCormick, and today we're going to be
Speaker 3: talking about Arena from nineteen eighty nine. I gotta say,
Speaker 3: of all the movies I've ever seen that are a
Speaker 3: ripoff of Rocky set in a space station full of
Speaker 3: weird alien creatures, this is the best. It's got to be.
Speaker 2: Tops. Yeah, it's a pretty simple concept, but a lot
Speaker 2: of love went into bringing it to life. So I mean,
Speaker 2: for the most part, we're just talking when we're talking
Speaker 2: about Arena. Here again, nineteen eighty nine's Arena not to
Speaker 2: be confused with other films that have used that title.
Speaker 2: This is just an old fashioned boxing crime movie, except
Speaker 2: it's set on a space station, and that space station
Speaker 2: is occupied by just oodles and oodles of the aliens.
Speaker 3: A corniucopia of strange critters. The way I was describing it,
Speaker 3: I was talking to Rachel about it, and I realized,
Speaker 3: it's if you decided you wanted to make an entire
Speaker 3: movie out of the canteena scene from Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely it it It seems to maintain that level
Speaker 2: of just of just you know, that this alien intensity
Speaker 2: that you get in the Cantena scene in Star Wars,
Speaker 2: just throughout the entire film, just.
Speaker 3: Like everywhere you turn, it's like, oh, here's the guy
Speaker 3: with the weird like the sort of scrotal lobes for
Speaker 3: the chin, and then here's the guy gets his arm
Speaker 3: cut off, and the weird dude with the S shaped slughead.
Speaker 3: They're just everywhere. And then also there there are lots
Speaker 3: of robots. So this is a movie that's very very
Speaker 3: cyborg focused. So it's not just weird aliens, but weird
Speaker 3: aliens with interesting robotic and mechanical implants.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so there's just there's there's cyborgs. There are
Speaker 2: aliens there. Alien cyborgs were all in all over the place,
Speaker 2: with a few humans here and there as well, just
Speaker 2: to keep it grounded, I guess, in something that that
Speaker 2: human viewers can understand. But yeah, it's just like there's
Speaker 2: constantly something cool to look at in this in this film,
Speaker 2: and it goes we'll get into this as we perceive,
Speaker 2: but it goes beyond the alien. The aliens all look incredible,
Speaker 2: but just like the costuming and set pieces in this
Speaker 2: picture are also very well done, especially considering like that
Speaker 2: the place it is budget wise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something at the high budget end of
Speaker 3: the special effects spectrum, but it's got breadth and depth
Speaker 3: of special effects, So the makeup effects and every in
Speaker 3: the and the set design and everything. It's both. It's
Speaker 3: both wide weird and deep weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This was one of many Empire International releases that
Speaker 2: came out from producer Charles Band prior to that folding
Speaker 2: and then him moving on to the Full Moon Entertainment.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you remember this. This box art.
Speaker 2: I certainly remember this box art. The VHS and probably
Speaker 2: DVD box art for this film had a real big
Speaker 2: fight feel to it. It looked like an old fashioned
Speaker 2: boxing poster and it just said Arena Tonight, Championship grudge
Speaker 2: match Man versus Monster, and then it has the head
Speaker 2: shot of Steve with Steve Armstrong and then the head
Speaker 2: shot for the cyber Minotaur horn that he's going to battle,
Speaker 2: and it says for a thousand years, no human has
Speaker 2: been the champion. He wants to be the first.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's true. I think that's one of
Speaker 3: those many things where there's a promotional bit of copy
Speaker 3: for the film that totally gets the plot wrong because
Speaker 3: there's a previous human champion in this movie who's still alive,
Speaker 3: so it can't have been more than I don't know,
Speaker 3: a couple decades since there was a human champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't tell us he's a thousand years old.
Speaker 2: I feel like this film would mention that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so.
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go ahead and listen to a
Speaker 2: little bit of the trailer audio on this one.
Speaker 3: On the Edge of our Galaxy, a battle drug where
Speaker 3: alien warriors compete for the ultimate prize.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, a human you'll battle and the arena?
Speaker 3: Now where is the challenger where humans have lost?
Speaker 2: You ever thought about the arena site?
Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work as guy's a human, what it
Speaker 3: takes to win? You're talking about arena fighting it it's
Speaker 3: not for me.
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. I think you get it
Speaker 2: there too. There's a big fight field of this picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The one thing that this movie didn't really have,
Speaker 3: and I wish it had had, was like some Rick
Speaker 3: Flair style, you know, fight monologuing, like the talking up
Speaker 3: the fights before they happened. There wasn't really any of
Speaker 3: that that I recall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ultimately more based in the boxing world, I think,
Speaker 2: with just a little bit of kickboxing added into the
Speaker 2: flare and a little bit like a tiny bit of
Speaker 2: wrestling added in there, but mostly it's its heart is
Speaker 2: in the boxing world.
Speaker 3: M hm. So who are the people behind this movie?
Speaker 2: All right, let's start at the top. The director is
Speaker 2: Peter Manoogian and this guy was born out of Charles
Speaker 2: Band's Empire International Pictures. He directed a segment in their
Speaker 2: second feature, an anthology film titled The Dungeon Master, and
Speaker 2: that was his first directional credit. Following work as an
Speaker 2: assistant director on a string of Band directed films as
Speaker 2: well as some other pictures such as Galaxy of Terror,
Speaker 2: he was a production manager on several films, including Humanoids
Speaker 2: from the Deep and a lovely little nineteen eighty two
Speaker 2: thriller filmed on Tybee Island right here in Georgia titled
Speaker 2: The Slayer, which I don't think you've seen this one, Joe.
Speaker 2: I've seen It's it's not a super weird picture, so
Speaker 2: it's not something we'll probably ever talk about here, but
Speaker 2: it is filmed on Tybee Island. It's a genre film
Speaker 2: that was made in Georgia back when that meant something.
Speaker 2: And there's a sequence that involves like an old ruined
Speaker 2: theater that's really creepy, and today you can go to
Speaker 2: that theater and its like fully restored, so it's it's
Speaker 2: a really weird experience. But yeah, The Slayer he was
Speaker 2: involved in that.
Speaker 3: Now you already mentioned this really great box art for
Speaker 3: this movie. The other thing that I think I'm familiar
Speaker 3: with this director from is having directed a movie that
Speaker 3: I haven't seen yet but has one of the best
Speaker 3: posters in movie history, and that's The Eliminators or Eliminators.
Speaker 2: That's right from eighty six. That's another Empire International picture,
Speaker 2: and that's one that I own but have not watched
Speaker 2: in full yet. I have a feeling, and we'll come
Speaker 2: back to it when it's time to return to the
Speaker 2: work of Minougian.
Speaker 3: The poster features a you know that classic rushing at
Speaker 3: you posture where the main cast is running right into
Speaker 3: your face, and one of them is a human tank
Speaker 3: with treads, and I think another one is a ninja,
Speaker 3: and one of them is some kind of mad scientist.
Speaker 3: It looks like a really great ensemble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's some wonderful connection in that film as well,
Speaker 2: but we'll save that for a later day. I'm sure
Speaker 2: we'll get to the Eliminators. Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about the writers here. It's just kind of interesting that
Speaker 2: it's this team of writers, Danny Bilson and Paul Demio.
Speaker 2: These two got their start in the Charles band Camp
Speaker 2: with pictures such as nineteen eighty Fours Trancers and eighty
Speaker 2: six is the Eliminators, and they later got into video
Speaker 2: game writing and recently wrote the screenplay for the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty film to Five Bloods by Spike Lee. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: speaking of the writing behind this, I was looking. I
Speaker 2: looked up to see what Michael Weldon of a Psychotronic
Speaker 2: had to say about Arena, and he points out that
Speaker 2: the plot has a lot in common with the Frederick
Speaker 2: Brown short story Arena. That quote had already been done
Speaker 2: twice on Star Trek and once on the Outer Limits.
Speaker 2: So I looked into this and there is the story
Speaker 2: indeed titled Arena, and it has to do with this
Speaker 2: situation where these two intergalactic factions are about to go
Speaker 2: to war and just you know, annihilate each other, or
Speaker 2: one side will be annihilated and instead an even more
Speaker 2: advanced civilization becomes involved and makes one soldier from one
Speaker 2: side fight the other soldier from the other side to
Speaker 2: decide the whole thing.
Speaker 3: This is a robot shox again.
Speaker 2: Similar yeah idea, like it comes down to trial by
Speaker 2: champion and yeah, champion battle. So the Star Trek angle
Speaker 2: here though, is that you have that classic sixty seven
Speaker 2: Trek episode Arena. This is the Gorn episode where the
Speaker 2: exact same thing happens. And if I'm reading this correctly,
Speaker 2: they ended up crediting Frederick Brown perhaps to do to
Speaker 2: just plot similarities. I'm not sure if they actually adapted
Speaker 2: it or it certainly, or it's more of one of
Speaker 2: these things, like they didn't want to get sued, But
Speaker 2: that's the connection there. There was also an Outer Limits
Speaker 2: episode from sixty four titled Fun and Games that apparently
Speaker 2: has some similarities to this. But with this nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: nine picture, I mean, aside from the fact that we
Speaker 2: are dealing with sort of gladiatorial combat in space with aliens,
Speaker 2: I don't really see. I don't think there's anything in
Speaker 2: this film that leads you to believe that this is
Speaker 2: anything other than entertainment sports, right, is just this is
Speaker 2: just sports going on. There's nothing at stake, as it's
Speaker 2: not like robot jocks, where this is deciding who controls
Speaker 2: parts of the planet.
Speaker 3: There is some sense that the dignity of humankind is
Speaker 3: at stake, right because aliens. All the good fighters are aliens,
Speaker 3: and there's this widespread understanding that a human can't really
Speaker 3: be competitive in the arena anymore. There was this one
Speaker 3: guy who'd been a fighter previously, but since him there
Speaker 3: have been no human champions, and humans are just weak
Speaker 3: and puny and not even worth considering. And if you're
Speaker 3: trying to make your bracket of the elite fighters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much. That's the only thing that's
Speaker 2: really at stake here, at least on a more than
Speaker 2: personal level, is that it's about the prestige of humanity
Speaker 2: in a universe that largely doesn't seem to need them anymore.
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of them around for some reason.
Speaker 3: I mean, why would you want to have a human
Speaker 3: boxer on your side when you could have like a
Speaker 3: twenty foot long grasshopper slug exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the alien and cyborg fighters are a lot more
Speaker 2: interesting looking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so I guess we should get to who
Speaker 3: this actual fighter is. And now I don't know what
Speaker 3: else I'm familiar with this actor from, but he looked familiar,
Speaker 3: so I should have done the cross check on IMDb,
Speaker 3: but I never got there with him. But it's this
Speaker 3: actor who plays the main character, the human fighter, Steve Armstrong,
Speaker 3: who is just I was trying to decide what exactly
Speaker 3: his energy is and it is fruit of the loom
Speaker 3: briefs model.
Speaker 2: Yes, it should come as no surprise that he was
Speaker 2: a model prior to getting into in the cinema. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his name is Paul Paul Sadderfield, and yeah, he's just
Speaker 2: He's an incredibly handsome six' four actor with blonde hair
Speaker 2: and like a flawless. Body he looks like he was
Speaker 2: cloned out of The frankenfurter. Vats you, know he's just
Speaker 2: all Like Rocky horror And Flash Gordon hello To.
Speaker 3: Beef, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He has a he has a certain amount Of Christopher
Speaker 2: reeves in his, face you, Know, OKAY i see. That,
Speaker 2: yeah so very handsome chap and it's he apparently got his.
Speaker 2: Start his first film role of note was playing one
Speaker 2: of the shirtless kids in the raft segment Of Creep
Speaker 2: show two in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: Seven that's. It that's WHERE i know him. From he's
Speaker 3: the he's the jock guy in. That that would make. Sense,
Speaker 3: yeah obviously he's not the.
Speaker 2: Nerd, now apparently his mother was a, Musician Priscilla, coolidge
Speaker 2: the sister Of Rita, coolidge and his dad was a
Speaker 2: firefighter who died in the line of. Duty but then
Speaker 2: his stepdad growing up was music Legend BOOKER. T jones
Speaker 2: of the INSTRUMENTAL r AND b funk Group BOOKER t
Speaker 2: and the MG's. Wow, yeah, okay, Yeah SO i Think
Speaker 2: paul's perfectly great in, This like he's you, know he's
Speaker 2: he's a beautiful human. Specimen he gives a solid. Performance
Speaker 2: he brings up and this is this is something it's
Speaker 2: sometimes hard to like really nail down in a, film
Speaker 2: but he really brings a believable physicality to this. Role you,
Speaker 2: know like he doesn't just look the, part but he
Speaker 2: kind of he moves like an. ATHLETE i think he
Speaker 2: was a former. Athlete SO i found myself kind of
Speaker 2: buying these scenes where he's you, know kickboxing against massive.
Speaker 2: Aliens like for some reason it felt.
Speaker 3: Authentic, YEAH i will say in his sort of one
Speaker 3: of the handicaps operating in his favor is THAT i
Speaker 3: think this script does not ask a lot of. Him you,
Speaker 3: know it does not require a lot of nuanced emotional.
Speaker 3: Performance it's like he he mostly just like stands around
Speaker 3: and then does fights and looks good while he's doing
Speaker 3: either one and that that's that's about all that is
Speaker 3: required of Of Steve armstrong pretty.
Speaker 2: Much now he has a he has a mentor in this,
Speaker 2: film and that is the Character.
Speaker 3: Shorty, now While rocky Had Burgess meredith to like train
Speaker 3: him and you, know be be in his corner to
Speaker 3: sort of bring him up into the world of elite, Fighting,
Speaker 3: Yeah Steve armstrong Has, shorty who is like a cross
Speaker 3: Between Burgess meredith And goro because he's got four. Arms
Speaker 3: but he also he's a he's a Wise. Kraken he's
Speaker 3: just like a pun, city a pun.
Speaker 2: Factory, yes, absolutely this character is a lot of, fun
Speaker 2: in part because the the four hands gimmick is actually
Speaker 2: pretty well. Done it's a mix of puppetry and then
Speaker 2: also like some sight gags involving somebody you, know clearly
Speaker 2: standing behind the. Actor to add the extra set of,
Speaker 2: arms as they like give Give Steve armstrong a rub
Speaker 2: down after a, match so you got four different hands
Speaker 2: on him giving him a, massage that sort of. Thing but,
Speaker 2: this this character is played by an, actor folk musician
Speaker 2: and uh an and comedian by the name Of Hamilton.
Speaker 3: Camp Was Hamilton camp ever a hobbit in The Peter
Speaker 3: jackson movies because he has that kind of his face
Speaker 3: looks kind of familiar from that sort of. Context it
Speaker 3: looks like he might have been hanging around the bar
Speaker 3: and the shire telling.
Speaker 2: Stories he looks like he could. Have I'M i didn't
Speaker 2: see that OR i don't remember that from HIS IMDb,
Speaker 2: Page but, yeah he's he is a short. Fella he
Speaker 2: was he was five two apparently did a lot of
Speaker 2: like short gags over. Time BUT i mentioned the folk musician.
Speaker 2: Thing he actually has like a real legit musical. Background
Speaker 2: he most famously As Bob camp With Bob. Gibson this
Speaker 2: is like a sixties folk. Duo they did this album
Speaker 2: at The gate Of, horn which you can you can
Speaker 2: find wherever you stream your. Music uh and he, yeah he.
Speaker 2: Had they had a whole string of albums. Too As Hamilton.
Speaker 2: Camp and you. Can you can look him. Up he
Speaker 2: has this beautiful singing. Voice he's doing a lot of
Speaker 2: these folk. Numbers but he was also he also did
Speaker 2: a lot OF tv. Work he did a lot of voice.
Speaker 2: Work if anyone out there ever Watched Dark Wing, duck
Speaker 2: he was the voice Of Gizmo duck they. Did do
Speaker 2: you remember this, Character.
Speaker 3: Joe i'm not SURE i. Do maybe maybe IF i
Speaker 3: saw a video.
Speaker 2: Like it's Like RoboCop If RoboCop were a duck and
Speaker 2: had like a like a unicycle motorcycle wheel for his lower.
Speaker 3: Half, yeah, oh now that's ringing some. Bells, Okay, YEAH
Speaker 3: i definitely did Watch Dark Wing, duck so, yeah maybe
Speaker 3: that's back there.
Speaker 2: Somewhere, yep he Was Gizmo. Duck, also this is going
Speaker 2: to become even more. Important, shortly he appeared On Star
Speaker 2: Trek Deep space nine playing a farrangi named let's see
Speaker 2: what was?
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Lek he played a farrangi Named lek Okay. R the
Speaker 2: next character of, note we have this Character, quinn who's
Speaker 2: like the good boxing, promoter played by A claudia christianably
Speaker 2: most famous for Playing Commander Susan ivanova on The Sci
Speaker 2: fi Series Babylon five from nineteen ninety four through nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Eight but she's also a successful voice, actor and she
Speaker 2: has acted in many of your favorite video. Games if
Speaker 2: you look her, up you'll see, That oh, yeah she
Speaker 2: was in. That she was in. That she's been in
Speaker 2: several That i've played as.
Speaker 3: Well Wasn't babylon? FIVE i never watched? It but wasn't
Speaker 3: it a show about a space station popular by all
Speaker 3: kinds of? Aliens?
Speaker 2: YEAH i never watched it, religiously like enough to actually
Speaker 2: follow the larger, plot BUT i remember catching it from
Speaker 2: time to time and finding it pretty. Exciting you had
Speaker 2: some good makeup. Though she was not one of the
Speaker 2: characters that were. Alien she was just a, HUMAN i.
Speaker 3: Believe, well i'd say she's good in this. Movie, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah she's.
Speaker 2: Good you know, again it's not requiring a lot of.
Speaker 2: Her this movie doesn't require a lot of heavy aet
Speaker 2: lifting from its acting roles for the most. Part but she's.
Speaker 3: Good so now we got to get into the villains
Speaker 3: who are just. Wonderful so there's this villain called Rogue,
Speaker 3: or which is one of those things where like you
Speaker 3: can write the name down when you're writing a, script
Speaker 3: AND i think it works better on the page than
Speaker 3: it does when people say it out, loud because every
Speaker 3: time people say Rog, or it just doesn't sound like
Speaker 3: a real. Name, yeah Rog, or if that makes any
Speaker 3: sense on?
Speaker 2: It, No, No, YEAH i would agree with. That Rog
Speaker 2: or is played By Mark. Almeo The this is an
Speaker 2: actor that everyone has definitely seen in. Something he Played,
Speaker 2: everett one Of kohagan's goons in the Original Total Recall Oh.
Speaker 2: Wow and most, notably he played the Sinister cardassian Gold.
Speaker 2: Ducket is that my saying that? RIGHT i haven't Watched
Speaker 2: Deep space nine in a long. Time was That?
Speaker 3: GOLD i don't? Know or is It?
Speaker 2: Ducat i'm not, sure Maybe, Ducot but, anyway Star trek
Speaker 2: Deep space, nine he was like the Villainous cardassian that
Speaker 2: showed up all the time In.
Speaker 3: Arena he plays like this weird Debonair space vampire Sugar,
Speaker 3: daddy who's kind of Like Jason isaacs a little bit
Speaker 3: in vampire mode without that Deep Jason isaac's. Voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's one of these actors THAT i think of
Speaker 2: as like a skull first actor who does a lot
Speaker 2: of acting like their skulls going to jump out of their,
Speaker 2: face and he also has a really prominent. NECK i
Speaker 2: read that on the set Of Deep space, nine his
Speaker 2: nickname was The.
Speaker 3: Neck oh that's. FUNNY i didn't notice the neck as,
Speaker 3: much but now that you say, THAT i sort. OF
Speaker 3: i was thinking of him as like a, yeah facial
Speaker 3: bone structure kind of. Actor, yeah a forehead and jawline, first.
Speaker 2: Yes so, yeah he makes for a fun lead villain
Speaker 2: in this a lot of typical villain. Stuff but of,
Speaker 2: course any villain needs a, henchman and he's got one In.
Speaker 3: Weasel weasel is. Great weasel was the highlight of the. Movie,
Speaker 3: WELL i don't, know there are a lot of. Highlights
Speaker 3: most of them were, creatures And weasel is a great.
Speaker 3: Creature he was a human rat, creature, like he's kind
Speaker 3: of a purple human who has whiskers and rat.
Speaker 2: Teeth yeap played by Armand, shimmerman who most of you
Speaker 2: would probably, recognize at least with makeup on because On
Speaker 2: Deep space nine he played The Ferangi. Quark, hmmm so
Speaker 2: this is like the Third Deep space nine connection in this.
Speaker 2: Film he also did a lot of other. Work he
Speaker 2: was the principal principal snyder On buffy the Vampire. Slayer oh, okay,
Speaker 2: yeah and he's done a lot of voice work as.
Speaker 2: Well AND i also read that he's A shakespearean scholar
Speaker 2: and an author who wrote a book with an author
Speaker 2: by the name Of Michael scott About John dee Titled
Speaker 2: The Merchant prince that also seems to feature aliens and time.
Speaker 2: Travel oh kidok so you know that sounds. Fun we
Speaker 2: mentioned The Last Human champion who is not a thousand years,
Speaker 2: old and he doesn't have much of a role in.
Speaker 2: This he's just kind of a now he's just a
Speaker 2: homeless bumb wandering the. Tubes but he's played by this
Speaker 2: Guy Ken, clark who was the lead in nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: Nine's attack of The Giant, leeches which is a film
Speaker 2: That Mystery Science theater three thousand fans may, remember.
Speaker 3: Or you may have seen it several times and still
Speaker 3: not remember it.
Speaker 2: That had memorable trash bag, monsters AS i, recall like
Speaker 2: The Giant leashes were like it was one of these
Speaker 2: very grimy looking pictures that kind of felt, weird it
Speaker 2: kind of felt real because it was just so.
Speaker 3: Grimy was this one of the ones that was just
Speaker 3: like a blanket over dogs of?
Speaker 2: It was of similar. Quality, yes all, Right up, Next
Speaker 2: Frank welker to creature voices in, this AND i suspect
Speaker 2: But i'm not. SURE i think he does the voice
Speaker 2: of our lead boxing Villain, horn who's kind of like
Speaker 2: a cyber. Minotaur But Frank welker is a name that
Speaker 2: anyone who's looked at the credits on an animated show
Speaker 2: where a film will be familiar. With welker is. Everywhere
Speaker 2: he's voiced. Everything he may even be voicing you right
Speaker 2: now while you're listening to this.
Speaker 3: Show there are a lot of good growling alien voices in,
Speaker 3: this but we should get more into that later BECAUSE
Speaker 3: i must admit the version of this movie THAT i,
Speaker 3: saw the sound wasn't super, GREAT i think BECAUSE i
Speaker 3: most of the time could not Understand. Horn but we'll
Speaker 3: have to explain more About horn when we get into
Speaker 3: the full plot.
Speaker 2: Breakdown all, Right, so as we discussed, before the executive
Speaker 2: producer on this one Was Charles, band and of Course
Speaker 2: Richard band did the music and then you, know so
Speaker 2: it's a band picture for. Sure Under Empire. Pictures imprint
Speaker 2: came out the same year As Robot. Jocks oh, yeah but,
Speaker 2: again the look of this FILM i think is really.
Speaker 2: Notable Kathy clark did the costume. Design she's the one
Speaker 2: who also gave us all of those wonderful jumpsuits and
Speaker 2: robot jocks and some really signature looks in Other band
Speaker 2: produced films as, well Like Metal storm And Terror. Vision
Speaker 2: SO i feel like there's a, futuristic fun look to
Speaker 2: the costumes in this that certainly it maybe never looks
Speaker 2: like high, budget but it also never looks, cheap you,
Speaker 2: know like you don't feel like you're seeing things duct
Speaker 2: taped together from the local thrift shop or.
Speaker 3: Anything there is a difference between good cheap special effects
Speaker 3: and good cheap set design and bad cheap special effects
Speaker 3: and bad cheap set. Design these are the good cheap
Speaker 3: corner of that. Scatterplot.
Speaker 2: Yeah so in terms of the various special effects people
Speaker 2: and makeup people involved in, THIS i mean that's really
Speaker 2: one of the most remarkable things about this film is
Speaker 2: like all the aliens look so. Good so like Even
Speaker 2: horn is physically played by this Guy Mike, deek who
Speaker 2: is who is a special effects guy that's worked on
Speaker 2: a ton of films and occasionally plays. Creatures there's some
Speaker 2: other key names worth mentioning including the Late John Carl.
Speaker 2: Buckler he was the special special makeup effects artist who
Speaker 2: did special, effects makeup or makeup on such films As,
Speaker 2: Reanimator friday The Thirteenth part.
Speaker 3: Seven he actually Directed friday The Thirteenth part. Seven oh did?
Speaker 1: He?
Speaker 2: WOW i didn't realize. That, okay, well, yeah, okay even
Speaker 2: more reason to celebrate his. Name he worked on Various
Speaker 2: corman And band pictures as.
Speaker 3: Well Friday Thirteenth part seven is another movie that IS
Speaker 3: i don't think anyone could make the argument that it's
Speaker 3: a good. Movie you probably couldn't argue that about any
Speaker 3: of The friday, movies but it has wonderful special, effects
Speaker 3: some of the best of the.
Speaker 2: Series that's the one with The Psychic girl Versus, jason, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: SEE i feel like instantly that's the one you can,
Speaker 2: see like how many of The jason films can you really?
Speaker 2: Signify like there's the one where he's in, space there's
Speaker 2: the one where he's In New, york and there's the
Speaker 2: one where he Fights Psychic, girl.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah the in reverse order that's, seven eight and.
Speaker 2: Ten, okay, YEAH i mean aside from, that you can, say,
Speaker 2: okay there's one where he Fights, freddy and then there's one.
Speaker 3: Where he there's one where it's Not.
Speaker 2: Jason, yeah and then there's the one where he they
Speaker 2: say he goes to, hell but does he actually go
Speaker 2: to hell in that?
Speaker 3: One that's.
Speaker 2: Unclear, okay let's see other people have. Noted Alan monroe
Speaker 2: is credited as Additional Designer Colon, creature and he's a
Speaker 2: guy who worked on films Like, Beetlejuice men In, Black Near,
Speaker 2: dark just to name a. Few David stipes was visual
Speaker 2: effects supervisor and he worked On Star Trek Deep space,
Speaker 2: Nine Star trek The Next, generation And Star Trek.
Speaker 3: Voyager, okay so we're hitting some familiar nodes over and.
Speaker 3: Over this seems like this may have been a sort
Speaker 3: of network recruitment effect.
Speaker 2: Here, yeah it really has an embarrassment of riches from
Speaker 2: the on the special effects. Side because also you've got
Speaker 2: The Screaming Mad george crew in on this one as.
Speaker 2: Well SO i don't know if everyone out there is
Speaker 2: familiar With Screaming Mad, george but they're A japanese born
Speaker 2: special effects makeup flesh wizard who seems to have had
Speaker 2: their hands or claws in a ton of wonderfully fleshy
Speaker 2: special effects, films including but not limited, To nightmare On
Speaker 2: Eils Street part three and, Four, Society, Free Big trouble
Speaker 2: In Little, China, Wow, predator and then he also directed
Speaker 2: a film Titled The Guy, ver which is kind of
Speaker 2: This japanese flesh superhero suit picture that also Has Mark
Speaker 2: hamill in. It it's a weird.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: Uh he also worked On Necronomicon book of The.
Speaker 3: Dead, oh is that the one THAT i Was i've
Speaker 3: been trying to find a copy of but it's out
Speaker 3: of print like, you or maybe it was never in
Speaker 3: print in a in the appropriate.
Speaker 2: Region, yeah we've asked around about that, one and, yeah
Speaker 2: it's like what you can get it On GREEK dvd
Speaker 2: or something like something like. That so, Anyway Screaming Mad,
Speaker 2: GEORGE i feel like his his work always stands out to,
Speaker 2: me even IF i even If i'm not sure he's
Speaker 2: involved in the, PICTURE i CAN i can sense his
Speaker 2: presence because there's this this sense of the stuff that he.
Speaker 2: Creates they just feel it feels really, alive you, know
Speaker 2: with with synthetic. Flesh synthetic. Flesh, okay and one last
Speaker 2: weird connection on this, One Victor georzanski was the first
Speaker 2: assistant director on this, film and he was also the
Speaker 2: first assistant director on the nineteen eighty six adaptation of
Speaker 2: The name of The.
Speaker 3: Rose.
Speaker 2: Wow probably meaningless connection, there but ONE i had to latch.
Speaker 3: Onto, Nonetheless, WOW i really did not expect so many
Speaker 3: solid connections to well known works from this space boxing.
Speaker 2: Movie, yeah especially all Those Star trek. Connections it's basically
Speaker 2: like latched to The it should be just a part
Speaker 2: of The Star trek, CANNON i think at this point.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah like The enterprise just arrives, there they come,
Speaker 3: in they have to sort out a boxing commission dispute
Speaker 3: there without violating the prime. Directive, well, anyway are you
Speaker 3: ready to get into the full plot? Breakdown let's do, It,
Speaker 3: Okay so it starts with the opening. Credits you just
Speaker 3: kind of panning around in space watching the satellite Of
Speaker 3: love roll by these rocky planetoids that look very much
Speaker 3: like the models In Mystery Science. Theater and then suddenly
Speaker 3: we cut to inside this space station and there's a.
Speaker 3: Fight it's this sort of boxing match in front of
Speaker 3: hundreds of cheering, fans and it's between this this gross
Speaker 3: veiny alien goat man with horns who looks a little
Speaker 3: Bit Freddy krueger, Ish so Think Freddy krueger goat. Horns,
Speaker 3: yeah that whole. Thing the other, FIGHTER i think is
Speaker 3: even more difficult to. Describe he's some kind of alien
Speaker 3: lizard man wearing a giant spherical casing like a big
Speaker 3: garbage can lid around his upper, body and he's got
Speaker 3: these flailing robot, arms so he's not a. Robot there
Speaker 3: is supposed to be some kind of organic alien inside
Speaker 3: it who maybe doesn't have. Arms i'm not, sure because
Speaker 3: the arms are just the robot arms that are on
Speaker 3: the outside of his. Suit but then those arms are
Speaker 3: not doing, anything so the way the fight goes is
Speaker 3: his robot arms are just literally just flopping around while
Speaker 3: the goat man wails on him. Mercilessly and we learn
Speaker 3: that these fighters are Named horn And. Spinner so the
Speaker 3: scary goat man Is horn and the robot lizard thing
Speaker 3: with the flailing arms Is. Spinner and we notice that
Speaker 3: each fighter has a colored spotlight shining on. Them one
Speaker 3: is red and one is, blue and we get an
Speaker 3: explanation of how that works in a, bit BUT i
Speaker 3: still never really fully understand. It they say there's like
Speaker 3: a voiceover that, says in order to balance strength between,
Speaker 3: species the arena uses The saiko three thousand handicapping. System
Speaker 3: the handicappers decrease the fighter's, strength and so they, EXPLAIN
Speaker 3: i think it's that these spotlights somehow make stronger fighters
Speaker 3: weaker until they're. Equal does that sound? Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay that is the SENSE i got from, it
Speaker 2: and it's Something i'll come back to towards the end
Speaker 2: of the program here to. Discuss but, YEAH i think
Speaker 2: the idea is you have different species that are going
Speaker 2: to be, naturally you, know better at. Fighting it's kind of,
Speaker 2: like if you have we're gonna have a boxing match
Speaker 2: between a human being and A bengal. Tiger, yeah you,
Speaker 2: know this system would it would make it to where
Speaker 2: The bengal tiger and a weaponless human could at least
Speaker 2: have some level of competitive, match assuming the training was in.
Speaker 3: Place, okay. Cool and then so we see the fight play.
Speaker 3: Out horn is just beating On spinner and Then horn
Speaker 3: eventually wins the surround by Knocking spinner out of the.
Speaker 3: Ring so it seems like maybe there's some kind of
Speaker 3: sumo rules in.
Speaker 2: Play, yeah there's a sense of sumo and then it's
Speaker 2: a you, know ultimately about knocking the opponent out of.
Speaker 3: Bounce, yeah but, AGAIN i just you, KNOW i said this,
Speaker 3: earlier but it is so wonder. Like the crowd is
Speaker 3: just this corni ucopia of bizarre. Creatures It's Star wars
Speaker 3: canteena scene but multiplied times. Fifty, yeah and then we
Speaker 3: immediately meet Rogue or And. Weasel so, Again rogue Wor
Speaker 3: or is the the the Debonair space vampire. GUY i,
Speaker 3: MEAN i don't think he's supposed to be a, vampire
Speaker 3: BUT i say that because he's got the hair and
Speaker 3: the face of a guy who gets cast as one
Speaker 3: of these smooth vampires in a movie like in like
Speaker 3: The twilight series or SOMETHING.
Speaker 2: I could never understand stand in this film of his
Speaker 2: face is supposed to be like if they painted, it
Speaker 2: or he's supposed to be, greasy like physically. Greasy, well
Speaker 2: he's very. Shiny, yeah, yeah he's a very shiny, character
Speaker 2: but NOT i mean not so much that it's completely
Speaker 2: clear that he's supposed to be some sort of humanoid
Speaker 2: alien or.
Speaker 3: Not, Yeah i'm not quite sure about Rogue, or but
Speaker 3: definitely The weasel who we see screwing around in the.
Speaker 3: Crowd he like drops a firecracker on somebody who's selling
Speaker 3: popcorn or. Something, yeah And Weasel weasel's just a his you,
Speaker 3: know it's a very nominative, Determinism like he's a weaseley.
Speaker 3: Guy he has a rat like, face and he's always
Speaker 3: up to no. Good and then we see Weasel weasel
Speaker 3: sort of the enforcer for Rog. Or he's sort of his.
Speaker 3: Fixer he does his dirty. Business and at Rogue ors say,
Speaker 3: So weasel goes down and we see him Give horn
Speaker 3: an injection of something in between. Rounds IT'S i think
Speaker 3: suggesting that they're giving him some kind of illegal performance enhancing.
Speaker 3: Drug you, know they're shooting him up with VITAMIN. R
Speaker 3: and then that Makes horn into a super beast and
Speaker 3: he just freaks out and runs in there and busts
Speaker 3: Up spinner really. Bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah and not only is he a monster against some
Speaker 2: sort of Like Freddy krueger, minotaur but he's also at
Speaker 2: least half, machine you, know heavily cybernetically, enhanced and he's
Speaker 2: also on some sort of space.
Speaker 3: Steroid, Right and then meanwhile we cut away to a
Speaker 3: different place where we're in a space station diner where
Speaker 3: the Young Steve, armstrong our hero, again the guy who
Speaker 3: looks like a fruit of the loom underwear. Model you
Speaker 3: would see him in a catalog in the nineties showing
Speaker 3: off his, glutes and he is working as some kind
Speaker 3: of short order cook in this space diner where everybody's
Speaker 3: watching The arena fight ON. Tv and he's watching it
Speaker 3: longingly because you, know it's obvious from the beginning that
Speaker 3: he wants to be in. There he wishes it was
Speaker 3: him beating up On. Spinner BUT i have to, Say
Speaker 3: Steve armstrong does not look like a short order. Cook
Speaker 3: he's like too tall to operate the cooking apparatus in
Speaker 3: front of.
Speaker 2: Him. Yeah, yeah he's a very tall. Guy like, again
Speaker 2: he's like six' four and when he's, up there when
Speaker 2: he's in there Next, to shorty he just looks like an. Absolute.
Speaker 3: Giant Yeah so steve and His buddy shorty are both
Speaker 3: working in the diner and they're clearly they're overworked and overwhelmed.
Speaker 3: The customers they're too many customers and, they're Unruly and
Speaker 3: steve is trying. To cook it looks like he's trying
Speaker 3: to cook over and, open fire which is kind of
Speaker 3: strange that would be happening inside a, space Station and
Speaker 3: shorty is at the counter dealing with, unruly customers and
Speaker 3: they sort of steal a joke From The Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Holiday special, You know shorty trying to get, everything done but,
Speaker 3: HE'S like i have only got.
Speaker 2: Four hands it's one of a few different places in
Speaker 2: this MOVIE where i thought Of The, holiday SPECIAL though
Speaker 2: i think in every case it does a better job
Speaker 2: Than The. Holiday special but, of course how could it
Speaker 2: do anything, but?
Speaker 3: Right, Right yeah, but anyway somehow a fight breaks out in,
Speaker 3: the diner And then steve has to throw down to
Speaker 3: defend His, buddy shorty and he ends up kicking this
Speaker 3: fish head type alien through a bunch of, plate glass
Speaker 3: And immediately Steve and shorty are informed via like a
Speaker 3: voiceover that comes on IN the pa system that they are.
Speaker 3: Both fired they are TERMINATED for i, DON'T know i
Speaker 3: guess for getting into a fight at, the diner and
Speaker 3: so they both lose, their jobs and they walk out of,
Speaker 3: the diner apparently leaving it, completely unstaffed and this fishhead
Speaker 3: guy's lying in a bunch, of GLASS and i have
Speaker 3: to point out here there WAS already i mentioned one
Speaker 3: Of the. Shorty Puns but i've only got four. Hands,
Speaker 3: HERE actually i don't know if that's. A pun Sorry
Speaker 3: if i'm using the. Words wrong all the, Corny jokes
Speaker 3: and the next one comes In where shorty he's bringing
Speaker 3: him rapid fire and one of the things he says
Speaker 3: is were you? Cloned yesterday but that makes me wonder
Speaker 3: is there a background in this movie where, in fact
Speaker 3: no one is quote, born anymore but everyone? Is cloned
Speaker 3: and also what is what is? The distinction because aren't
Speaker 3: cloned creatures? Still, BORN yeah i.
Speaker 2: Don't know it's just how they it's just how they
Speaker 2: talk in the future at, this point, because yeah. They
Speaker 2: don't they don't get into really any world building in. This,
Speaker 2: on uh, you know aside from just the. Purely visual
Speaker 2: what you see is what. You get the movie's not
Speaker 2: going to really hold your hand and explain anything aside
Speaker 2: from just basically how the.
Speaker 3: Fight, works no it's not going To robot jock's lengths
Speaker 3: to sort of show show you the. Whole, situation yeah, but,
Speaker 3: anyway so now being out of, The job steve is
Speaker 3: broke and he gets kicked out of his apartment and
Speaker 3: so he has to shack Up with shorty and and
Speaker 3: it turns out AT first i, thought this they like
Speaker 3: open this weird door in, a HALLWAY and i thought
Speaker 3: that they were Going into, shorty's HOUSE so i thought
Speaker 3: the implication Was that shorty lives in this dank. Access tunnel,
Speaker 3: but no it turns out they just have to go
Speaker 3: through this dank access tunnel to get to a place
Speaker 3: known As, the tubes WHICH is i think it is
Speaker 3: like the poor part of the. Space station it's where
Speaker 3: the non rich, inhabitants live and it's kind of. Blade
Speaker 3: runnery it's just there's like steam and fog everywhere and
Speaker 3: a bunch of people just hanging around on what would
Speaker 3: be the equivalent of the streets inside the. Space station,
Speaker 3: and anyway while, they're walking we find Out that steve
Speaker 3: used to be a fighter in what's known as the,
Speaker 3: human circuit and that he came to the space station
Speaker 3: hoping that he could fight in. The arena but they
Speaker 3: lament that there's just no room for human. Fighters now
Speaker 3: it's all. Cyborg aliens that's the only thing anybody's, interested
Speaker 3: in and it's widely known that no human could ever be. A, contender.
Speaker 2: Again YEAH and i mean more, than, that like how
Speaker 2: entertaining is it to watch humans battle humans if you've
Speaker 2: got these other creatures to, Watch, INSTEAD like, i mean
Speaker 2: would you watch two humans battle if you could watch
Speaker 2: like a space scorpion and a sea blob battle?
Speaker 3: Each, other, No, EXACTLY no i want To see Chewbacca
Speaker 3: versus job Of, the hut not human. Versus human so
Speaker 3: they Get to, shorty's apartment they spend. The night the,
Speaker 3: Next morning shorty's in the middle of cooking something that looks.
Speaker 3: Really revolting it's just this like, beige slime and they
Speaker 3: talk about how eggs are an expensive. Luxury ITEM so i,
Speaker 3: DON'T know i guess that's sort of oblique. World building
Speaker 3: and then there's a knock at the Door and steve.
Speaker 3: Answers it these two goons are standing there and one
Speaker 3: of them just punches him right in, the face which.
Speaker 3: Is great these two goons. Bust in They beat. Steve
Speaker 3: up the fight moves out into the streets again of,
Speaker 3: the tubes and a big fight, scene ensues.
Speaker 2: And Of course steve wins, this encounter and we shortly
Speaker 2: found find out that these are the goons of another.
Speaker 2: Boxing promoter These are, quinn's, Goons.
Speaker 3: Right So claudia Christian playing quinn shows up and we
Speaker 3: find out that the fishhead Guy that steve beat up
Speaker 3: in the diner was actually an arena fighter, elite level
Speaker 3: and the guys there to Beat. UP steve i guess
Speaker 3: could you figure? This out were they supposed to be
Speaker 3: giving him some sort of Tryout at, quinn's prompting or
Speaker 3: were they just out to get revenge for him beating
Speaker 3: up one of.
Speaker 2: THEIR guys i think it was just. Straight justice that WAS.
Speaker 3: What i got out. Of it but, either Way once quinn,
Speaker 3: shows up she's clearly interested In getting steve into. The
Speaker 3: arena she wants him on. Her Team, but steve at
Speaker 3: first he refuses. The call, you know he will not
Speaker 3: heed the call. To adventure steve just wants a ticket Back,
Speaker 3: to earth but unfortunately he can't. Afford it so then
Speaker 3: there is a great Scene where Steve and shorty have
Speaker 3: to get some money To get steve a ticket Back.
Speaker 3: To earth so they end up going to a Casino
Speaker 3: because shorty has a guaranteed system to win the. Big
Speaker 3: BUCKS and i gotta say about one of my favorite
Speaker 3: things about this whole casino scene is that they Got
Speaker 3: to it's like, a speakeasy so they got to say
Speaker 3: the password to get in through the. Secret door, you
Speaker 3: know they open up the little slot in, the DOOR
Speaker 3: and i love the alien who's operating. The door the Password,
Speaker 3: is swordfish and the alien who's operating the door has
Speaker 3: THESE massive i don't know how this like tusk trunk
Speaker 3: apparatus coming Way to it's got like a two foot. Long.
Speaker 2: Chin, yes, yeah again the awesome alien designs and alien
Speaker 2: makeup effects are just in every corner of.
Speaker 3: The, film Yeah but shorty's got a guaranteed system to
Speaker 3: win the. Big bucks that's some kind of alien, gambling
Speaker 3: thing and it doesn't go. SO well i. Don't know
Speaker 3: do you have general thoughts about this. ALIEN casino i
Speaker 3: really loved, the SCENE and i have TO say i
Speaker 3: am Not A last. JEDI hater i Enjoyed The, last
Speaker 3: JEDI but i was not a huge fan of its casino.
Speaker 3: See quins this this casino sequence is The better.
Speaker 2: Alien casino, OH well I MEAN i i don't remember
Speaker 2: the casino Sequence And last jedi, as much which maybe
Speaker 2: that that says something, About IT but, i don't, YOU
Speaker 2: know i certainly don't remember. DISLIKING it i liked. This one,
Speaker 2: BUT again i just saw this film the, other day,
Speaker 2: so yeah it's it's. Really good it also has like
Speaker 2: a dancing, hologram lady which is another point in the
Speaker 2: film that reminded me directly Of The Star Wars. Holiday special, oh,
Speaker 2: right yes but again it's another scene that's just a
Speaker 2: feast for. The eyes there's all sorts of crazy stuff,
Speaker 2: going on lots of cool.
Speaker 3: Looking aliens, WELL wait i don't know is the DANCE
Speaker 3: if i might, be forgetting is the dancing hologram lady
Speaker 3: in the casino itself or is she only in the
Speaker 3: bar they go. To afterwards maybe she's in the Bar, after,
Speaker 3: okay no we'll get to that in just. A, second
Speaker 3: no first we got to, mention that can you explain
Speaker 3: the plot here? To me for, some reason violence breaks
Speaker 3: out in, the CASINO and I don't i didn't understand.
Speaker 3: Understand WHY maybe i should have gone back and watched.
Speaker 3: It again But suddenly weasel's there and people are shooting
Speaker 3: lasers at, each OTHER and i didn't know who was
Speaker 3: shooting at who. Or why there's. Some alien there's like
Speaker 3: this alien with an, aluminum head this like reflective silver METAL.
Speaker 2: Had i think those are. The, robocops okay that's, the
Speaker 2: thing is the cop. Showed up they busted up, the
Speaker 2: joint and so in, The chaos shorty just grab, some money, Right.
Speaker 3: Right, okay yes, All right so they grab the Money
Speaker 3: and Shorty and steve get out, of there and then
Speaker 3: they go to, a bar and this is where The hologram.
Speaker 3: Lady happens so IN my i wonder to what extent
Speaker 3: this was because of the degraded audio and the VERSION
Speaker 3: that i watched her if it's like, This Naturally but
Speaker 3: Steve and shorty sit at a bar and they watched,
Speaker 3: this singing dancing green, hologram lady and the music that
Speaker 3: she is singing over is. Audio horror it just it's
Speaker 3: like the one of the Worst sounds i've. Ever heard
Speaker 3: it's the sound of a k hole spiral around the
Speaker 3: thought of what it's like to.
Speaker 2: Be, dead yes this was kind OF what i got
Speaker 2: out OF the dvd copy of the film, as WELL
Speaker 2: because i think it's an incident of SOMETHING that, I don't,
Speaker 2: I can't i don't. Like it it's not like this
Speaker 2: IS something i enjoy, listening TO but i enjoy encountering it,
Speaker 2: in films and that is when somebody was clearly called
Speaker 2: upon to create, futuristic music which is a, unique challenge
Speaker 2: like what do? You do how Do you you're going
Speaker 2: to try and create something that we don't, have now
Speaker 2: that maybe we wouldn't like now but we would like in.
Speaker 2: The future and so a lot of times that in
Speaker 2: like sometimes they'll just create something that's maybe, you know
Speaker 2: tying into current trends and fringe trends that, are emerging,
Speaker 2: you know like if it's some sort of a, cyberpunk
Speaker 2: film like they'll suddenly there'll be a bunch of like
Speaker 2: reggae and you'll, be, like okay, you know, all right
Speaker 2: it's some sort of reggae or maybe they've taken some dub,
Speaker 2: or something or it's whatever is popular and. New now
Speaker 2: but other times they do THIS which i, don't know
Speaker 2: is kind of like it's sort of, space jazzy but
Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel it doesn't feel like this could
Speaker 2: possibly be the music of. The future but you understand
Speaker 2: what they were trying. To do it's a, like again
Speaker 2: it's a It's a i'm sure it's a fascinating musical
Speaker 2: exercise to engage on.
Speaker 3: Well what for whatever it was supposed. To be it
Speaker 3: was like one of the most Awful sounds i've. Ever,
Speaker 3: heard yeah and just this, Horrible dissonance and everybody's sitting
Speaker 3: at the bar is clearly just. Watching enraptured they're watching
Speaker 3: this hologram lady and, they're like she's. So amazing there's
Speaker 3: this admiral acbar looking dude whose eyes are swiveling around
Speaker 3: like fan blades and he's sticking his. Tongue, out yes.
Speaker 2: That's one of the. Great things like just little moments
Speaker 2: like this, have extravagant extravagant special effects with the makeup in,
Speaker 2: That towe like it's not just that there's an alien, Watching, this,
Speaker 2: like no he's like every orifice of his face is
Speaker 2: involved in.
Speaker 3: The situation in. THIS scene i also really like there's
Speaker 3: a guy in. The background you don't see, him much
Speaker 3: but he's sort of in the back whose head just
Speaker 3: looks like a huge gray clay pot and his eyes
Speaker 3: are just holes in.
Speaker 2: The pot now have We met skull yet at this
Speaker 2: point or does he show?
Speaker 3: Up? Later, OH yeah i think we've. Met skull Skull is,
Speaker 3: oh gee how to. Describe skull skull looks like one
Speaker 3: of the Deadites from army, of darkness but with.
Speaker 2: Cybernetic, implants yeah he's he's like a cyborg brain augmentation
Speaker 2: junkie who's also. A hacker, so yeah he looks. Absolutely
Speaker 2: HORRIFYING and, i say HE but i. DON'T know i
Speaker 2: know that the actor who played them is, a HEAT
Speaker 2: but i have no Idea if skull is supposed to
Speaker 2: be male. Or female AND first i kind of thought
Speaker 2: maybe this, is like This is, weasel's partner they're life partners,
Speaker 2: or SOMETHING and i don't think that's. THE case i
Speaker 2: think they just. Work, together okay but, But yeah skull
Speaker 2: is horrendous looking and is part of the whole criminal.
Speaker 3: Enterprise here, so Yeah so weasel is on the scene in.
Speaker 3: The bar weasel shows up and pulls a Gun On
Speaker 3: steven shorty and takes them back To rogue or for
Speaker 3: some classic. Villain intimidation the rogu, wars like you owe.
Speaker 3: Me money steve needs to get money to Pay rogu war.
Speaker 3: Back for what does he need to pay him? Back
Speaker 3: for did they steal money from? His? Casino, is yes.
Speaker 2: So That Was rogu wor's money that they stole from
Speaker 2: the busted, up casino Which then shorty used to Buy the.
Speaker 2: Earth ticket, so yeah So when roguar like brings, him in,
Speaker 2: HE'S like i want my. Money back you stole it.
Speaker 2: From me and, HE'S like i have, the ticket and then,
Speaker 2: he's like this isn't even this doesn't cover the cost
Speaker 2: of what. YOU stole i want the. Actual money so.
Speaker 3: They hold shorty hostage while they Wait for steve to
Speaker 3: go get the money to. Pay back and there's a
Speaker 3: great little scene in THERE where i guess the hours are,
Speaker 3: going by and then you See that Shorty and weasel
Speaker 3: are both are playing cards with, each OTHER and i
Speaker 3: think maybe they're both trying. To, cheat yeah but Of
Speaker 3: course steve comes back and he gets, the money he Bails.
Speaker 3: Out shorty and where did he get, The, money well
Speaker 3: it's an advance because he Went to quinn and he
Speaker 3: promised to ox aliens for, Her.
Speaker 2: Right and so now this is basically the. Whole setup
Speaker 2: how are we gonna get this guy in the ring? Fighting,
Speaker 2: aliens well now, we're, Here.
Speaker 3: Right and now now the movie is just kicked into.
Speaker 3: Full gear it's in arena mode until. The end SO
Speaker 3: and i would say maybe the highlight of the whole
Speaker 3: movie for Me was steve's, first fight which is where
Speaker 3: he fights a giant dinosaur slug like it's a it's
Speaker 3: a slug with Sort of tyrannosaurus rex head and little t,
Speaker 3: rex arms but with giant grasshopper legs And A freddy.
Speaker 2: Krueger, face yeah this creature's name is sloth and it.
Speaker 2: Is incredible it's just An incredible like they were so
Speaker 2: ambitious in creating and bringing this character to life, on
Speaker 2: SCREEN and i feel like they really pulled. It OFF
Speaker 2: like i totally bought this as an. Organic creature it's
Speaker 2: just it's splendid.
Speaker 3: To, Behold YEAH and i, don't know it's it's absurd
Speaker 3: like watching them Fight because steve is throwing punches, at it. You,
Speaker 3: know yeah it's like this job of the hut grasshopper
Speaker 3: is like twenty times bigger. Than him but he does.
Speaker 3: EVENTUALLY win i think he figured he does some kind
Speaker 3: of special. Little tactic he targets its nerve or something.
Speaker 2: What day like punches it in a nerve on. ITS
Speaker 2: side I think shorty's like, telling, him like go for
Speaker 2: the go for the, sensory nerve go for the, sensory
Speaker 2: nerve and so he does.
Speaker 3: Yep bum rock. Yep bum but it's Victory. For Steve
Speaker 3: so steve wins this first, big fight and, it's fame,
Speaker 3: it's glory. It's money he's instantly. A celebrity the audience eats,
Speaker 3: it up and then everything's Coming Up steve armstrong and
Speaker 3: then like that NIGHT he's i think it's supposed to be,
Speaker 3: that night he's like at a. Swanky club so he
Speaker 3: goes from, you know sleeping on couches in, the tubes
Speaker 3: to being at a swanky.
Speaker 2: Club, overnight yeah it's, AND really i guess this is
Speaker 2: kind of a typical structure for some sort of a
Speaker 2: boxing or, competition, film right because, what's important first, big
Speaker 2: match and then you kind of montage all the, middle
Speaker 2: stuff and then it's going to be the last, big
Speaker 2: match like the. Championship, match yes, exactly so but there's
Speaker 2: a there's a FUNNY part i thought when Step and
Speaker 2: quinn are talking after his first.
Speaker 3: Big victory so they're out at the. Swanky club they're
Speaker 3: in a booth and she starts telling this story about
Speaker 3: how her father used to run a stable of fighters in.
Speaker 3: The arena but that was back when it was a,
Speaker 3: real sport before rogue or turned it into. A business,
Speaker 3: she says this, with contempt and it's this odd nostalgia
Speaker 3: for the early days of this brutal. GLADIATORIAL institution i,
Speaker 3: DON'T know i don't really. Get it but the message
Speaker 3: is that the arena could be, a beautiful, noble thing
Speaker 3: but under rogue or it's all about.
Speaker 2: That cash what if this competition used to settle intergalactic
Speaker 2: turmoil and then it just got too commercial, For everybody
Speaker 2: like we'll just do it for entertainment and we'll just
Speaker 2: have actual wars that would.
Speaker 3: Make sense he used to be champion warfare like, robot
Speaker 3: chocks but now or like in the, short story, but
Speaker 3: yeah now it's just all about rogue or raking in the.
Speaker 3: Big bucks and so, She said, Quinn says i'm just
Speaker 3: trying to keep my dad's. Dream alive so we find Out,
Speaker 3: that Horn remember horn from, The beginning he is Still
Speaker 3: rogu or's, top fighter and he comes Up to Steve
Speaker 3: and quinn in the club and menaces them in. Some
Speaker 3: ways BUT again i could not understand anything he. Was,
Speaker 3: SAYING occasionally i picked out the word HUMAN that i
Speaker 3: assume he was using as a pejorative And horn horn
Speaker 3: also says his own name. A.
Speaker 2: LOT yeah i think this Is A frank, welker voice
Speaker 2: and he could have just been saying anything and you
Speaker 2: would know what. He's saying like he's just saying he's
Speaker 2: great human suck and he's going To beat armstrong in
Speaker 2: the next.
Speaker 3: BIG match i must break HIM or i must. Break
Speaker 3: you but it's Like gore. O voice yeah so, yeah
Speaker 3: here but here we go into. Montage mode we're just
Speaker 3: sort of like quickly Montaging through steve beating a bunch
Speaker 3: of different. Aliens up it's like the musical Scene In
Speaker 3: raging bull with the slow, motion FIGHTS and i think
Speaker 3: at one point it does a split screen it like
Speaker 3: shows you four different fights at the.
Speaker 2: Same, time yeah he's just working his way up, the
Speaker 2: ranks fighting. Various aliens but then eventually the commissioner of
Speaker 2: the Arena forces rogor To give steve a chance To
Speaker 2: fight horn for, the Title and rogor is not happy
Speaker 2: about this because it's, His, fighter HORN who i don't
Speaker 2: know why he DOESN'T want, I mean horn should be,
Speaker 2: fighting people right if he's, the, champion right and if
Speaker 2: this other, guy's popular you think, like that it sounds
Speaker 2: like a big. Money match shouldn't everybody want? That match,
Speaker 2: but again you just kind of roll.
Speaker 3: WITH it i guess it doesn't make a lot, of
Speaker 3: sense and it Seems like rogor should be. With this,
Speaker 3: But anyway Rogue or Weasel and skull plan to cheat
Speaker 3: by hacking into the. HANDICAPPING system i remember the red
Speaker 3: and blue Spotlights The sea core, three THOUSAND and i
Speaker 3: really don't fully understand how those are supposed, to work
Speaker 3: but they're supposed to make the. Fight fair and, they're
Speaker 3: like we're gonna hack it to make.
Speaker 2: It, Unfair well Weasel and skull, are like we can,
Speaker 2: do this we can hack, into it and And rogu war, IS,
Speaker 2: like a, that's IMPOSSIBLE AND b i have another plan.
Speaker 2: That'll work oh.
Speaker 3: That's, Right yeah rogue, wors like no one has ever
Speaker 3: Hacked the. Sekor, Before uh but they're they're going to
Speaker 3: figure it out Because because skull's got like a computer
Speaker 3: in uh in his or.
Speaker 2: Her, brain, yeah Yeah they're they're, like again they're They're
Speaker 2: gonna they're all hopped up on the AUGMENTS and i
Speaker 2: think they can take it.
Speaker 3: Down. Right uh in, the meantime there's also a great
Speaker 3: training Scene where steve fights this giant. Ripped armadillo he
Speaker 3: wasn't in the. MOVIE much i think it was just.
Speaker 3: The SCENE but i really Like. THIS armadillo i wanted
Speaker 3: him to be more of.
Speaker 2: A character i think he was supposed to be like a.
Speaker 2: Stable mate so they're just training together because afterwards, they're,
Speaker 2: like hey, you know pretty good, in, There kid you doing? All?
Speaker 3: Right yeah, but yeah Just imagine armadillo with like. Giant.
Speaker 3: Muscles yeah but then there's there's this Part where steve
Speaker 3: has a romance with this lady who Works. For roguar
Speaker 3: now here's A question i wasn't sure about the. Answer
Speaker 3: to this woman is somebody who comes And, meets Steve
Speaker 3: and steve is clearly very interested. In her are we
Speaker 3: to understand that she was the woman singing in the?
Speaker 3: HOLOGRAM earlier i think she was.
Speaker 2: SINGING earlier i can't remember if she's the hologram woman
Speaker 2: or she was on stage, and okay she was a
Speaker 2: performer earlier. For, sure okay but but she is also
Speaker 2: will find it she's also With. Rogu or She's rogu,
Speaker 2: or's vixen.
Speaker 3: Right and she so she has a brief Romance, with
Speaker 3: steve but she tries to do. Something devious she tries
Speaker 3: To get steve to. Drink something it's a it's a
Speaker 3: toast to the, new championship and obviously it is the
Speaker 3: opposite of the vibe an r that They're. GIVING horn
Speaker 3: i don't know what's supposed to be in, the drink
Speaker 3: but it's it's something That makes.
Speaker 2: Steve, weak yeah the long and short of it is
Speaker 2: she seduces him and, poisons Him and steve just, never
Speaker 2: think he never even second guesses any of his, Choices
Speaker 2: here like this just seems like the thing to do
Speaker 2: when everybody watching it knows exactly what's going, to happen
Speaker 2: like that that woman is going to, Poison. You steve
Speaker 2: that's clearly what's going.
Speaker 3: To, happen yeah she like comes over with these two
Speaker 3: glasses and he's just, like yep down.
Speaker 2: The hatch but it's implied that she, doesn't well she
Speaker 2: doesn't poison. Him enough perhaps That's what rogoran is Accusing
Speaker 2: Of VIX and i, was like you clearly didn't give him,
Speaker 2: enough poison because he does not.
Speaker 3: Die right so he gets to a doctor in time
Speaker 3: and he's able. To fight so it's the morning of
Speaker 3: the big Fight between Steve, and horn and the doctors
Speaker 3: get him in. Shipshape again and so they start, the
Speaker 3: fight and at first it, seems like, you know it's
Speaker 3: just an. Even fight they're. Trading blows steve's. Doing good
Speaker 3: but then of course there is Meddling by Weesel. And
Speaker 3: skull they're up there hacking the handicapping system and it
Speaker 3: looks like they're, hacking WORKS so i guess they either
Speaker 3: turn it off or they meddle with it in such
Speaker 3: a way that it that It enhances. Horn's Power so
Speaker 3: horn really starts getting the upper hand in, the fight
Speaker 3: And then shorty has to go to. The rescue he
Speaker 3: like runs up into the catwalks above the fight where
Speaker 3: the computer system, is Housed And shorty shorty can slam
Speaker 3: like he Beats up weasel.
Speaker 2: Really, good yeah And then weasel does a nice fall
Speaker 2: to his death off.
Speaker 3: The top Oh and skull's head explodes for.
Speaker 2: Some reason, oh, yeah yeah it gets Too, much yeah
Speaker 2: while he's hacking and then has his. Skull explodes and
Speaker 2: that's pretty pretty nice.
Speaker 3: As well so the ending is. Quite predictable it is Victory.
Speaker 3: For steve Steve, defeats horn and it's very rocky for
Speaker 3: But Replace ivan drego with this horned goat beast and
Speaker 3: Replace The soviet union.
Speaker 1: With.
Speaker 2: Space, yeah again it's just a standard boxing trope plot.
Speaker 2: Line here. You know you could you can, well imagine
Speaker 2: like any other some other tropes they could have put,
Speaker 2: In there like they could easily have done a sequel
Speaker 2: perhaps where you have like An older steve and he's
Speaker 2: asked to take a dive in one last fight by
Speaker 2: the mob and refuses to. Do it that sort. Of
Speaker 2: thing it's that kind.
Speaker 1: Of.
Speaker 3: World yeah now there's been this boxing announcer who has
Speaker 3: has little moments throughout, the movie and the movie ends with,
Speaker 3: him talking, you know as the crowd is Cheering. For
Speaker 3: steve it ends with this announcer uttering this very. Bizarre statement,
Speaker 3: he says as long as There Are steve armstrong's out
Speaker 3: there in, the universe there will always. Be contenders something
Speaker 3: about the. Tenses there i'm not, quite sure but. That's.
Speaker 2: Arena yeah, so yeah it doesn't really. Mean much it
Speaker 2: doesn't really have a message, per se but it's just
Speaker 2: it's a it's a nice movie with just incredibly. Weird
Speaker 2: creatures it it's a creature fest for.
Speaker 3: The, eyes yes it's all about. The creatures that is
Speaker 3: the reason to watch this movie is.
Speaker 2: The creatures so ONE thing i wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: in reference to this film is just the idea, of
Speaker 2: having first, of all interspecies fights where you have creatures from,
Speaker 2: different species, you know the, different planets, different ecosystems fighting.
Speaker 2: Each other and again the idea, is, that yes some
Speaker 2: creatures are just going to be naturally stronger, than others
Speaker 2: naturally faster, than others and if you want to have
Speaker 2: fair competition take place between, the two you have to
Speaker 2: use this, handicapping system this dampening system that makes one of,
Speaker 2: the fighters like physically weaker so that they can have a.
Speaker 3: COMPETITIVE match i thought it was interesting that basically all
Speaker 3: of the difference between the species is conceptualized just in
Speaker 3: terms of a difference, in strength like just, muscle strength
Speaker 3: how hard can they throw, a punch and not like
Speaker 3: chemical differences like do they? Breathe oxygen do they have
Speaker 3: like different types of metabolism and, body speed or like
Speaker 3: heat and. Cold, tolerances no it's just everything. Breathes oxygen
Speaker 3: it's all basically like just weird different kinds, of creatures
Speaker 3: but with standard.
Speaker 2: Earth, chemistry yeah yeah. You have they don't get too complicated.
Speaker 2: With that it's just the other creatures, are yeah, physically
Speaker 2: stronger and in some cases they are cybernetically enhanced and
Speaker 2: also sometimes chemically enhanced, as well and we see all,
Speaker 2: of that of Course, with horn who's just all gnarled
Speaker 2: muscle and, cybernetic enhancements and of course bringing in the
Speaker 2: idea of, a bull you get the idea that he
Speaker 2: has like bull, Like strength so getting out of the
Speaker 2: like just purely fantastic side, of this we could say
Speaker 2: that this film deals with a lot of certainly non
Speaker 2: human boxing and interaction between our human hero and these
Speaker 2: various alien and, Cyborg fighters and in this actually touches
Speaker 2: on a topic of some, academic interest humanism. And. SPORTS
Speaker 2: huh i actually ran across a PhD thesis thesis that
Speaker 2: gets into this, regarding Boxing Specifically Gerard James brady's transhumanism
Speaker 2: And the transformation Of the Experience and spectacle In the
Speaker 2: Art of boxing from. Twenty, eighteen okay so is.
Speaker 3: The concept, here, that like how would sports be and
Speaker 3: be affected by people taking into their physical body sort
Speaker 3: of different types of technological upgrades that might make them
Speaker 3: stronger or faster.
Speaker 2: Or, whatever right what if one boxer in the future
Speaker 2: is cybernetically augmented or, chemically augmented. Genetically, augmented like what
Speaker 2: if you end up with one boxer Looking like horn
Speaker 2: and he's going in fighting an otherwise, human boxer like
Speaker 2: you would kind of you would. Create this you would
Speaker 2: be able to turn what we think of as like
Speaker 2: normal boxing into this. Alien spectacle and then what would?
Speaker 2: That mean so it's a it's a long paper that
Speaker 2: gets into a lot of the nuts and bolts, of
Speaker 2: this but, In it brady talks about the transhuman quote
Speaker 2: tipping point, in boxing which he describes as quote the
Speaker 2: point at which the athlete is unable to identify the
Speaker 2: actions and therefore the achievements, as his and also the
Speaker 2: point where the audience is unable to engage verritically with.
Speaker 2: The athletes so on the, first count the question is
Speaker 2: at what point is the individual just lost in this world,
Speaker 2: of cybernetic genetic and or. Chemical, enhancements horn, for instance
Speaker 2: seems to, be able seems to be at least half
Speaker 2: machine at this point he benefits from THESE vitamin. R
Speaker 2: injections so does the sport reach a Point where horn
Speaker 2: would no longer feel the victories as his? Own victories
Speaker 2: does the fight cease to feel like.
Speaker 3: A fight he does not, seem to at least in
Speaker 3: the context of. This movie he thinks those victories are.
Speaker 3: His victories he won't even he can't stop saying his.
Speaker 3: Own name he's so proud.
Speaker 2: Of, himself true he's seems really into. It, now interestingly
Speaker 2: this is a point IN the i think we can
Speaker 2: agree that the more thought Provoking Film robot jock does
Speaker 2: act ask. This point it does sort of raise his
Speaker 2: question at, some point, you know at what point is
Speaker 2: the human inside neither soldier nor pilot but a. Mere,
Speaker 2: Mechanic right, but again they don't really get into that in.
Speaker 2: This film but, But anyway brady argues that there's a point
Speaker 2: at which the athlete will lose interest in the sport
Speaker 2: if enough levers are pulled on changing who they are
Speaker 2: and what. They are and on the, other point the
Speaker 2: audience has to believe in it enough for it to feel. Like,
Speaker 2: REALITY now i think worked in semi worked sports and
Speaker 2: fights blur the line a, Bit here, but yeah you
Speaker 2: have to be able to believe in the sport you're,
Speaker 2: presented with or at least be able to suspend your
Speaker 2: own disbelief in order in order to.
Speaker 3: Watch, It, right, well yeah that's a. GOOD point i
Speaker 3: hadn't thought about. Work sports so you're talking about sports
Speaker 3: that would involve like an element of k fabe, or
Speaker 3: something is?
Speaker 2: That, right yeah some, some degree either it's partially worked
Speaker 2: or it's, entirely worked like.
Speaker 3: Professional, wrestling okay so in, professional wrestling is it is
Speaker 3: a staged theatrical performance that involves athleticism in. The theatricality
Speaker 3: but obviously people are still interested in, watching it like
Speaker 3: it's still fun, to watch and so the question is,
Speaker 3: That's funny like in, professional wrestling you can know that
Speaker 3: about it and still enjoy. Watching it but if people
Speaker 3: thought that supposedly real, boxing matches if they were to
Speaker 3: suddenly discover that it, were worked that seems like that
Speaker 3: would make people lose interest. In it, You, know.
Speaker 2: Well if you know, it's worked then every match has to,
Speaker 2: be entertaining.
Speaker 3: YOU know, i, mean yeah.
Speaker 2: THAT'S true i feel like there are certain demands that
Speaker 2: are made ON legitimate, i mean there are certain demands
Speaker 2: that are in place on. Work sports there aren't there
Speaker 2: as much on, legitimate sports, You know and THEY'RE like
Speaker 2: i remember seeing it, mentioned, that well when you have a.
Speaker 2: Shoot match when it's like not a, work match sometimes
Speaker 2: the wrong, person wins, you know like you can't orchestrate
Speaker 2: things to that degree if it's just a legitimate competition
Speaker 2: for the. Most part, But anyway brady ends up summarizing
Speaker 2: this idea of this tipping point, by saying in terms,
Speaker 2: of boxing my instinct is to say that, this point the,
Speaker 2: tipping point will be reached if and when the fighters
Speaker 2: lose their appearance of vulnerability and where it seems as
Speaker 2: though their struggle and determination to hear the sound of
Speaker 2: the final bell. IS removed i could.
Speaker 3: SEE that i mean a lot of the appeal, of
Speaker 3: sports especially a very personal sport like one on one
Speaker 3: boxing is a drama and a sort of like you're
Speaker 3: seeing not just a physical contest like who can throw a,
Speaker 3: stronger punch but it seems to be a contest of.
Speaker 3: Individual wills and if you reach a point where it
Speaker 3: doesn't you're not really seeing a personal in the fighter
Speaker 3: anymore come through in, their struggle then maybe the sport
Speaker 3: loses interest for a lot.
Speaker 2: Of, spectators YEAH and I think i think this point
Speaker 2: is really interesting when we think about arena here and
Speaker 2: perhaps this is an area where one might lean in
Speaker 2: and sort of to create explanations for what's happening in.
Speaker 2: The film But because, i'm thinking like that, dampening technology that,
Speaker 2: handicamping technology the blue and the red lights, in arena
Speaker 2: maybe they exist to ensure that the boxing is a
Speaker 2: struggle for even the naturally powerful or cybernetically, enhanced combatants,
Speaker 2: you know to keep it. A struggle so it seems
Speaker 2: like that it's not just about keeping it fair for
Speaker 2: all the, species involved but making sure that it is
Speaker 2: in fact a rewarding endeavor for both the fighters and,
Speaker 2: the audience.
Speaker 3: Because the audience want to see, a struggle like they
Speaker 3: don't want to see just like two machines that are
Speaker 3: sort of maxed out in their competence executing their functions
Speaker 3: appropriately until one of them can't do. It anymore they
Speaker 3: want to see, a, Drama.
Speaker 2: Right and so perhaps the dampening technology is there to
Speaker 2: insure drama and to ensure that that, both combatants or
Speaker 2: at least one, of them, is, vulnerable right because you
Speaker 2: don't want to just see meat machines like whaling on.
Speaker 2: Each other you want to see, this tension this drama
Speaker 2: of the. Boxing, MATCH yeah i.
Speaker 3: BUY that I mean i don't think about things like
Speaker 3: boxing a. Whole lot but that seems that seems like
Speaker 3: a reasonable read.
Speaker 2: To, ME yeah i know we have, SOME well i
Speaker 2: certainly know we have some combat enthusiasts, out There and
Speaker 2: i'm sure we have some boxers, as Well so i'd
Speaker 2: be interested to hear what any of you have. To,
Speaker 2: say again that Thesis is transhumanism And the transformation Of
Speaker 2: the Experience and spectacle In the Art of boxing from,
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and it's available online if you look around.
Speaker 3: For, It rob should we wrap it? Up there i've
Speaker 3: really enjoyed Talking about.
Speaker 2: Arena, TODAY yeah i guess it's time to wrap. It
Speaker 2: up first, of all let's touch on where you get.
Speaker 2: THIS film i think a full version of this film
Speaker 2: has been up on YouTube for a number. Of years
Speaker 2: i'm not sure where you were able to, Watch, it
Speaker 2: JOE but i saw. It, there yeah it, was there
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