WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Arena

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Joe McCormick, and today we're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>talking about Arena from nineteen eighty nine. I gotta say,

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<v Speaker 3>of all the movies I've ever seen that are a

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<v Speaker 3>ripoff of Rocky set in a space station full of

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<v Speaker 3>weird alien creatures, this is the best. It's got to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Tops. Yeah, it's a pretty simple concept, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of love went into bringing it to life. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, we're just talking when we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Arena. Here again, nineteen eighty nine's Arena not to

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<v Speaker 2>be confused with other films that have used that title.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just an old fashioned boxing crime movie, except

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<v Speaker 2>it's set on a space station, and that space station

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<v Speaker 2>is occupied by just oodles and oodles of the aliens.

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<v Speaker 3>A corniucopia of strange critters. The way I was describing it,

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to Rachel about it, and I realized,

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<v Speaker 3>it's if you decided you wanted to make an entire

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<v Speaker 3>movie out of the canteena scene from Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely it it It seems to maintain that level

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<v Speaker 2>of just of just you know, that this alien intensity

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<v Speaker 2>that you get in the Cantena scene in Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 2>just throughout the entire film, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like everywhere you turn, it's like, oh, here's the guy

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<v Speaker 3>with the weird like the sort of scrotal lobes for

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<v Speaker 3>the chin, and then here's the guy gets his arm

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<v Speaker 3>cut off, and the weird dude with the S shaped slughead.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just everywhere. And then also there there are lots

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<v Speaker 3>of robots. So this is a movie that's very very

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<v Speaker 3>cyborg focused. So it's not just weird aliens, but weird

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<v Speaker 3>aliens with interesting robotic and mechanical implants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, so there's just there's there's cyborgs. There are

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<v Speaker 2>aliens there. Alien cyborgs were all in all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>with a few humans here and there as well, just

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it grounded, I guess, in something that that

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<v Speaker 2>human viewers can understand. But yeah, it's just like there's

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<v Speaker 2>constantly something cool to look at in this in this film,

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<v Speaker 2>and it goes we'll get into this as we perceive,

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<v Speaker 2>but it goes beyond the alien. The aliens all look incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>but just like the costuming and set pieces in this

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<v Speaker 2>picture are also very well done, especially considering like that

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<v Speaker 2>the place it is budget wise.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not something at the high budget end of

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<v Speaker 3>the special effects spectrum, but it's got breadth and depth

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<v Speaker 3>of special effects, So the makeup effects and every in

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<v Speaker 3>the and the set design and everything. It's both. It's

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<v Speaker 3>both wide weird and deep weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This was one of many Empire International releases that

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<v Speaker 2>came out from producer Charles Band prior to that folding

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<v Speaker 2>and then him moving on to the Full Moon Entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if you remember this. This box art.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly remember this box art. The VHS and probably

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<v Speaker 2>DVD box art for this film had a real big

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<v Speaker 2>fight feel to it. It looked like an old fashioned

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<v Speaker 2>boxing poster and it just said Arena Tonight, Championship grudge

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<v Speaker 2>match Man versus Monster, and then it has the head

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<v Speaker 2>shot of Steve with Steve Armstrong and then the head

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<v Speaker 2>shot for the cyber Minotaur horn that he's going to battle,

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<v Speaker 2>and it says for a thousand years, no human has

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<v Speaker 2>been the champion. He wants to be the first.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's true. I think that's one of

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<v Speaker 3>those many things where there's a promotional bit of copy

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<v Speaker 3>for the film that totally gets the plot wrong because

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<v Speaker 3>there's a previous human champion in this movie who's still alive,

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<v Speaker 3>so it can't have been more than I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple decades since there was a human champion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't tell us he's a thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this film would mention that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would think so.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's go ahead and listen to a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of the trailer audio on this one.

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<v Speaker 3>On the Edge of our Galaxy, a battle drug where

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<v Speaker 3>alien warriors compete for the ultimate prize.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, well, a human you'll battle and the arena?

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<v Speaker 3>Now where is the challenger where humans have lost?

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<v Speaker 2>You ever thought about the arena site?

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't gonna work as guy's a human, what it

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<v Speaker 3>takes to win? You're talking about arena fighting it it's

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<v Speaker 3>not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, there you go. I think you get it

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<v Speaker 2>there too. There's a big fight field of this picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The one thing that this movie didn't really have,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wish it had had, was like some Rick

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<v Speaker 3>Flair style, you know, fight monologuing, like the talking up

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<v Speaker 3>the fights before they happened. There wasn't really any of

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<v Speaker 3>that that I recall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's ultimately more based in the boxing world, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>with just a little bit of kickboxing added into the

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<v Speaker 2>flare and a little bit like a tiny bit of

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling added in there, but mostly it's its heart is

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<v Speaker 2>in the boxing world.

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<v Speaker 3>M hm. So who are the people behind this movie?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's start at the top. The director is

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Manoogian and this guy was born out of Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Band's Empire International Pictures. He directed a segment in their

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<v Speaker 2>second feature, an anthology film titled The Dungeon Master, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was his first directional credit. Following work as an

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<v Speaker 2>assistant director on a string of Band directed films as

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<v Speaker 2>well as some other pictures such as Galaxy of Terror,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a production manager on several films, including Humanoids

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<v Speaker 2>from the Deep and a lovely little nineteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 2>thriller filmed on Tybee Island right here in Georgia titled

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<v Speaker 2>The Slayer, which I don't think you've seen this one, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen It's it's not a super weird picture, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not something we'll probably ever talk about here, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is filmed on Tybee Island. It's a genre film

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<v Speaker 2>that was made in Georgia back when that meant something.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a sequence that involves like an old ruined

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<v Speaker 2>theater that's really creepy, and today you can go to

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<v Speaker 2>that theater and its like fully restored, so it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really weird experience. But yeah, The Slayer he was

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<v Speaker 2>involved in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you already mentioned this really great box art for

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<v Speaker 3>this movie. The other thing that I think I'm familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with this director from is having directed a movie that

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen yet but has one of the best

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<v Speaker 3>posters in movie history, and that's The Eliminators or Eliminators.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right from eighty six. That's another Empire International picture,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's one that I own but have not watched

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<v Speaker 2>in full yet. I have a feeling, and we'll come

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<v Speaker 2>back to it when it's time to return to the

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<v Speaker 2>work of Minougian.

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<v Speaker 3>The poster features a you know that classic rushing at

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<v Speaker 3>you posture where the main cast is running right into

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<v Speaker 3>your face, and one of them is a human tank

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<v Speaker 3>with treads, and I think another one is a ninja,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of them is some kind of mad scientist.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like a really great ensemble.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's some wonderful connection in that film as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll save that for a later day. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to the Eliminators. Let's talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about the writers here. It's just kind of interesting that

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<v Speaker 2>it's this team of writers, Danny Bilson and Paul Demio.

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<v Speaker 2>These two got their start in the Charles band Camp

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<v Speaker 2>with pictures such as nineteen eighty Fours Trancers and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>six is the Eliminators, and they later got into video

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<v Speaker 2>game writing and recently wrote the screenplay for the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty film to Five Bloods by Spike Lee. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of the writing behind this, I was looking. I

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<v Speaker 2>looked up to see what Michael Weldon of a Psychotronic

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<v Speaker 2>had to say about Arena, and he points out that

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<v Speaker 2>the plot has a lot in common with the Frederick

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<v Speaker 2>Brown short story Arena. That quote had already been done

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<v Speaker 2>twice on Star Trek and once on the Outer Limits.

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<v Speaker 2>So I looked into this and there is the story

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<v Speaker 2>indeed titled Arena, and it has to do with this

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<v Speaker 2>situation where these two intergalactic factions are about to go

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<v Speaker 2>to war and just you know, annihilate each other, or

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<v Speaker 2>one side will be annihilated and instead an even more

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<v Speaker 2>advanced civilization becomes involved and makes one soldier from one

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<v Speaker 2>side fight the other soldier from the other side to

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<v Speaker 2>decide the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a robot shox again.

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<v Speaker 2>Similar yeah idea, like it comes down to trial by

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<v Speaker 2>champion and yeah, champion battle. So the Star Trek angle

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<v Speaker 2>here though, is that you have that classic sixty seven

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<v Speaker 2>Trek episode Arena. This is the Gorn episode where the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same thing happens. And if I'm reading this correctly,

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<v Speaker 2>they ended up crediting Frederick Brown perhaps to do to

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<v Speaker 2>just plot similarities. I'm not sure if they actually adapted

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<v Speaker 2>it or it certainly, or it's more of one of

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<v Speaker 2>these things, like they didn't want to get sued, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's the connection there. There was also an Outer Limits

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<v Speaker 2>episode from sixty four titled Fun and Games that apparently

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<v Speaker 2>has some similarities to this. But with this nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>nine picture, I mean, aside from the fact that we

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<v Speaker 2>are dealing with sort of gladiatorial combat in space with aliens,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really see. I don't think there's anything in

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<v Speaker 2>this film that leads you to believe that this is

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<v Speaker 2>anything other than entertainment sports, right, is just this is

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<v Speaker 2>just sports going on. There's nothing at stake, as it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like robot jocks, where this is deciding who controls

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>There is some sense that the dignity of humankind is

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<v Speaker 3>at stake, right because aliens. All the good fighters are aliens,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's this widespread understanding that a human can't really

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<v Speaker 3>be competitive in the arena anymore. There was this one

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<v Speaker 3>guy who'd been a fighter previously, but since him there

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<v Speaker 3>have been no human champions, and humans are just weak

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<v Speaker 3>and puny and not even worth considering. And if you're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make your bracket of the elite fighters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much. That's the only thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>really at stake here, at least on a more than

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<v Speaker 2>personal level, is that it's about the prestige of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>in a universe that largely doesn't seem to need them anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are a lot of them around for some reason.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, why would you want to have a human

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<v Speaker 3>boxer on your side when you could have like a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty foot long grasshopper slug exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the alien and cyborg fighters are a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>interesting looking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but so I guess we should get to who

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<v Speaker 3>this actual fighter is. And now I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>else I'm familiar with this actor from, but he looked familiar,

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<v Speaker 3>so I should have done the cross check on IMDb,

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<v Speaker 3>but I never got there with him. But it's this

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<v Speaker 3>actor who plays the main character, the human fighter, Steve Armstrong,

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<v Speaker 3>who is just I was trying to decide what exactly

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<v Speaker 3>his energy is and it is fruit of the loom

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<v Speaker 3>briefs model.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it should come as no surprise that he was

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<v Speaker 2>a model prior to getting into in the cinema. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>his name is Paul Paul Sadderfield, and yeah, he's just

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<v Speaker 2>He's an incredibly handsome six' four actor with blonde hair

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<v Speaker 2>and like a flawless. Body he looks like he was

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<v Speaker 2>cloned out of The frankenfurter. Vats you, know he's just

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<v Speaker 2>all Like Rocky horror And Flash Gordon hello To.

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<v Speaker 3>Beef, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a he has a certain amount Of Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>reeves in his, face you, Know, OKAY i see. That,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah so very handsome chap and it's he apparently got his.

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<v Speaker 2>Start his first film role of note was playing one

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<v Speaker 2>of the shirtless kids in the raft segment Of Creep

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<v Speaker 2>show two in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>Seven that's. It that's WHERE i know him. From he's

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<v Speaker 3>the he's the jock guy in. That that would make. Sense,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah obviously he's not the.

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<v Speaker 2>the sister Of Rita, coolidge and his dad was a

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<v Speaker 2>firefighter who died in the line of. Duty but then

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<v Speaker 2>paul's perfectly great in, This like he's you, know he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's a beautiful human. Specimen he gives a solid. Performance

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<v Speaker 2>he brings up and this is this is something it's

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes hard to like really nail down in a, film

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<v Speaker 2>but he really brings a believable physicality to this. Role you,

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<v Speaker 2>know like he doesn't just look the, part but he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of he moves like an. ATHLETE i think he

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<v Speaker 2>was a former. Athlete SO i found myself kind of

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<v Speaker 2>buying these scenes where he's you, know kickboxing against massive.

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<v Speaker 2>Aliens like for some reason it felt.

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<v Speaker 3>Authentic, YEAH i will say in his sort of one

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<v Speaker 3>of the handicaps operating in his favor is THAT i

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<v Speaker 3>think this script does not ask a lot of. Him you,

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<v Speaker 3>know it does not require a lot of nuanced emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>Performance it's like he he mostly just like stands around

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<v Speaker 3>and then does fights and looks good while he's doing

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<v Speaker 3>either one and that that's that's about all that is

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<v Speaker 3>required of Of Steve armstrong pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Much now he has a he has a mentor in this,

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<v Speaker 2>film and that is the Character.

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<v Speaker 3>Shorty, now While rocky Had Burgess meredith to like train

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<v Speaker 3>him and you, know be be in his corner to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of bring him up into the world of elite, Fighting,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah Steve armstrong Has, shorty who is like a cross

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<v Speaker 3>Between Burgess meredith And goro because he's got four. Arms

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<v Speaker 3>but he also he's a he's a Wise. Kraken he's

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<v Speaker 3>just like a pun, city a pun.

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<v Speaker 2>Factory, yes, absolutely this character is a lot of, fun

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<v Speaker 2>in part because the the four hands gimmick is actually

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well. Done it's a mix of puppetry and then

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<v Speaker 2>also like some sight gags involving somebody you, know clearly

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<v Speaker 2>standing behind the. Actor to add the extra set of,

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<v Speaker 2>arms as they like give Give Steve armstrong a rub

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<v Speaker 2>down after a, match so you got four different hands

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<v Speaker 2>on him giving him a, massage that sort of. Thing but,

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<v Speaker 2>this this character is played by an, actor folk musician

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<v Speaker 2>and uh an and comedian by the name Of Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 3>Camp Was Hamilton camp ever a hobbit in The Peter

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<v Speaker 3>jackson movies because he has that kind of his face

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<v Speaker 3>looks kind of familiar from that sort of. Context it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like he might have been hanging around the bar

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<v Speaker 3>and the shire telling.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories he looks like he could. Have I'M i didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see that OR i don't remember that from HIS IMDb,

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<v Speaker 2>Page but, yeah he's he is a short. Fella he

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<v Speaker 2>was he was five two apparently did a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like short gags over. Time BUT i mentioned the folk musician.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing he actually has like a real legit musical. Background

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<v Speaker 2>he most famously As Bob camp With Bob. Gibson this

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<v Speaker 2>is like a sixties folk. Duo they did this album

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<v Speaker 2>at The gate Of, horn which you can you can

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<v Speaker 2>find wherever you stream your. Music uh and he, yeah he.

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<v Speaker 2>Had they had a whole string of albums. Too As Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 2>Camp and you. Can you can look him. Up he

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<v Speaker 2>has this beautiful singing. Voice he's doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these folk. Numbers but he was also he also did

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<v Speaker 2>a lot OF tv. Work he did a lot of voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Work if anyone out there ever Watched Dark Wing, duck

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<v Speaker 2>he was the voice Of Gizmo duck they. Did do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember this, Character.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe i'm not SURE i. Do maybe maybe IF i

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<v Speaker 3>saw a video.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's Like RoboCop If RoboCop were a duck and

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<v Speaker 2>had like a like a unicycle motorcycle wheel for his lower.

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<v Speaker 3>Half, yeah, oh now that's ringing some. Bells, Okay, YEAH

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<v Speaker 3>i definitely did Watch Dark Wing, duck so, yeah maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's back there.

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<v Speaker 2>Somewhere, yep he Was Gizmo. Duck, also this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to become even more. Important, shortly he appeared On Star

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<v Speaker 2>Trek Deep space nine playing a farrangi named let's see

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<v Speaker 2>what was?

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<v Speaker 1>It.

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<v Speaker 2>Lek he played a farrangi Named lek Okay. R the

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<v Speaker 2>next character of, note we have this Character, quinn who's

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<v Speaker 2>like the good boxing, promoter played by A claudia christianably

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<v Speaker 2>most famous for Playing Commander Susan ivanova on The Sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi Series Babylon five from nineteen ninety four through nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight but she's also a successful voice, actor and she

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<v Speaker 2>has acted in many of your favorite video. Games if

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<v Speaker 2>you look her, up you'll see, That oh, yeah she

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<v Speaker 2>was in. That she was in. That she's been in

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<v Speaker 2>several That i've played as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well Wasn't babylon? FIVE i never watched? It but wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>it a show about a space station popular by all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of? Aliens?

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<v Speaker 2>YEAH i never watched it, religiously like enough to actually

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<v Speaker 2>follow the larger, plot BUT i remember catching it from

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<v Speaker 2>time to time and finding it pretty. Exciting you had

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<v Speaker 2>some good makeup. Though she was not one of the

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<v Speaker 2>characters that were. Alien she was just a, HUMAN i.

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<v Speaker 3>Believe, well i'd say she's good in this. Movie, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Good you know, again it's not requiring a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Her this movie doesn't require a lot of heavy aet

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<v Speaker 2>lifting from its acting roles for the most. Part but she's.

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<v Speaker 3>Good so now we got to get into the villains

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<v Speaker 3>who are just. Wonderful so there's this villain called Rogue,

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<v Speaker 3>or which is one of those things where like you

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<v Speaker 3>can write the name down when you're writing a, script

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<v Speaker 3>AND i think it works better on the page than

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<v Speaker 3>it does when people say it out, loud because every

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<v Speaker 3>time people say Rog, or it just doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 3>a real. Name, yeah Rog, or if that makes any

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<v Speaker 3>sense on?

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<v Speaker 2>It, No, No, YEAH i would agree with. That Rog

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<v Speaker 2>or is played By Mark. Almeo The this is an

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<v Speaker 2>actor that everyone has definitely seen in. Something he Played,

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<v Speaker 2>everett one Of kohagan's goons in the Original Total Recall Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow and most, notably he played the Sinister cardassian Gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Ducket is that my saying that? RIGHT i haven't Watched

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<v Speaker 2>Deep space nine in a long. Time was That?

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<v Speaker 3>GOLD i don't? Know or is It?

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<v Speaker 2>Ducat i'm not, sure Maybe, Ducot but, anyway Star trek

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<v Speaker 2>Deep space, nine he was like the Villainous cardassian that

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<v Speaker 2>showed up all the time In.

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<v Speaker 3>Arena he plays like this weird Debonair space vampire Sugar,

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<v Speaker 3>daddy who's kind of Like Jason isaacs a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>in vampire mode without that Deep Jason isaac's. Voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he's one of these actors THAT i think of

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<v Speaker 2>as like a skull first actor who does a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of acting like their skulls going to jump out of their,

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<v Speaker 2>face and he also has a really prominent. NECK i

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<v Speaker 2>read that on the set Of Deep space, nine his

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<v Speaker 2>nickname was The.

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<v Speaker 3>Neck oh that's. FUNNY i didn't notice the neck as,

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<v Speaker 3>much but now that you say, THAT i sort. OF

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<v Speaker 3>i was thinking of him as like a, yeah facial

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<v Speaker 3>bone structure kind of. Actor, yeah a forehead and jawline, first.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes so, yeah he makes for a fun lead villain

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<v Speaker 2>in this a lot of typical villain. Stuff but of,

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<v Speaker 2>course any villain needs a, henchman and he's got one In.

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<v Speaker 3>Weasel weasel is. Great weasel was the highlight of the. Movie,

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<v Speaker 3>WELL i don't, know there are a lot of. Highlights

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<v Speaker 3>most of them were, creatures And weasel is a great.

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<v Speaker 3>Creature he was a human rat, creature, like he's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a purple human who has whiskers and rat.

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<v Speaker 2>Teeth yeap played by Armand, shimmerman who most of you

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<v Speaker 2>would probably, recognize at least with makeup on because On

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<v Speaker 2>Deep space nine he played The Ferangi. Quark, hmmm so

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<v Speaker 2>this is like the Third Deep space nine connection in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Film he also did a lot of other. Work he

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<v Speaker 2>was the principal principal snyder On buffy the Vampire. Slayer oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah and he's done a lot of voice work as.

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<v Speaker 2>Well AND i also read that he's A shakespearean scholar

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<v Speaker 2>and an author who wrote a book with an author

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<v Speaker 2>by the name Of Michael scott About John dee Titled

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<v Speaker 2>The Merchant prince that also seems to feature aliens and time.

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<v Speaker 2>Travel oh kidok so you know that sounds. Fun we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned The Last Human champion who is not a thousand years,

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<v Speaker 2>old and he doesn't have much of a role in.

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<v Speaker 2>This he's just kind of a now he's just a

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<v Speaker 2>homeless bumb wandering the. Tubes but he's played by this

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<v Speaker 2>Guy Ken, clark who was the lead in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>Nine's attack of The Giant, leeches which is a film

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<v Speaker 2>That Mystery Science theater three thousand fans may, remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you may have seen it several times and still

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<v Speaker 3>not remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>That had memorable trash bag, monsters AS i, recall like

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<v Speaker 2>The Giant leashes were like it was one of these

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<v Speaker 2>very grimy looking pictures that kind of felt, weird it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of felt real because it was just so.

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<v Speaker 3>Grimy was this one of the ones that was just

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<v Speaker 3>like a blanket over dogs of?

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<v Speaker 2>It was of similar. Quality, yes all, Right up, Next

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<v Speaker 2>Frank welker to creature voices in, this AND i suspect

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<v Speaker 2>But i'm not. SURE i think he does the voice

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<v Speaker 2>of our lead boxing Villain, horn who's kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a cyber. Minotaur But Frank welker is a name that

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's looked at the credits on an animated show

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<v Speaker 2>where a film will be familiar. With welker is. Everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>he's voiced. Everything he may even be voicing you right

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<v Speaker 2>now while you're listening to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Show there are a lot of good growling alien voices in,

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<v Speaker 3>this but we should get more into that later BECAUSE

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<v Speaker 3>i must admit the version of this movie THAT i,

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<v Speaker 3>saw the sound wasn't super, GREAT i think BECAUSE i

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<v Speaker 3>most of the time could not Understand. Horn but we'll

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<v Speaker 3>have to explain more About horn when we get into

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<v Speaker 3>the full plot.

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<v Speaker 2>Breakdown all, Right, so as we discussed, before the executive

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<v Speaker 2>producer on this one Was Charles, band and of Course

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<v Speaker 2>Richard band did the music and then you, know so

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<v Speaker 2>it's a band picture for. Sure Under Empire. Pictures imprint

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<v Speaker 2>came out the same year As Robot. Jocks oh, yeah but,

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<v Speaker 2>again the look of this FILM i think is really.

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<v Speaker 2>Notable Kathy clark did the costume. Design she's the one

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<v Speaker 2>who also gave us all of those wonderful jumpsuits and

0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:48.000
<v Speaker 2>robot jocks and some really signature looks in Other band

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<v Speaker 2>produced films as, well Like Metal storm And Terror. Vision

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<v Speaker 2>SO i feel like there's a, futuristic fun look to

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<v Speaker 2>the costumes in this that certainly it maybe never looks

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<v Speaker 2>like high, budget but it also never looks, cheap you,

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<v Speaker 2>know like you don't feel like you're seeing things duct

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<v Speaker 2>taped together from the local thrift shop or.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything there is a difference between good cheap special effects

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<v Speaker 3>and good cheap set design and bad cheap special effects

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<v Speaker 3>and bad cheap set. Design these are the good cheap

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<v Speaker 3>corner of that. Scatterplot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah so in terms of the various special effects people

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<v Speaker 2>and makeup people involved in, THIS i mean that's really

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most remarkable things about this film is

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<v Speaker 2>like all the aliens look so. Good so like Even

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<v Speaker 2>horn is physically played by this Guy Mike, deek who

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<v Speaker 2>is who is a special effects guy that's worked on

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of films and occasionally plays. Creatures there's some

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<v Speaker 2>other key names worth mentioning including the Late John Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckler he was the special special makeup effects artist who

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<v Speaker 2>did special, effects makeup or makeup on such films As,

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<v Speaker 2>Reanimator friday The Thirteenth part.

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<v Speaker 3>Seven he actually Directed friday The Thirteenth part. Seven oh did?

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<v Speaker 1>He?

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<v Speaker 2>WOW i didn't realize. That, okay, well, yeah, okay even

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<v Speaker 2>more reason to celebrate his. Name he worked on Various

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<v Speaker 2>corman And band pictures as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well Friday Thirteenth part seven is another movie that IS

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<v Speaker 3>i don't think anyone could make the argument that it's

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<v Speaker 3>a good. Movie you probably couldn't argue that about any

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<v Speaker 3>of The friday, movies but it has wonderful special, effects

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<v Speaker 3>some of the best of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Series that's the one with The Psychic girl Versus, jason, right, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>SEE i feel like instantly that's the one you can,

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<v Speaker 2>see like how many of The jason films can you really?

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<v Speaker 2>Signify like there's the one where he's in, space there's

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<v Speaker 2>the one where he's In New, york and there's the

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<v Speaker 2>one where he Fights Psychic, girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah the in reverse order that's, seven eight and.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten, okay, YEAH i mean aside from, that you can, say,

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<v Speaker 2>okay there's one where he Fights, freddy and then there's one.

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<v Speaker 3>Where he there's one where it's Not.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason, yeah and then there's the one where he they

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<v Speaker 2>say he goes to, hell but does he actually go

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<v Speaker 2>to hell in that?

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<v Speaker 3>One that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Unclear, okay let's see other people have. Noted Alan monroe

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<v Speaker 2>is credited as Additional Designer Colon, creature and he's a

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>guy who worked on films Like, Beetlejuice men In, Black Near,

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 2>dark just to name a. Few David stipes was visual

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 2>effects supervisor and he worked On Star Trek Deep space,

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Nine Star trek The Next, generation And Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 3>Voyager, okay so we're hitting some familiar nodes over and.

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<v Speaker 3>Over this seems like this may have been a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of network recruitment effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, yeah it really has an embarrassment of riches from

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<v Speaker 2>the on the special effects. Side because also you've got

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 2>The Screaming Mad george crew in on this one as.

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<v Speaker 2>Well SO i don't know if everyone out there is

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>familiar With Screaming Mad, george but they're A japanese born

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>special effects makeup flesh wizard who seems to have had

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 2>their hands or claws in a ton of wonderfully fleshy

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:55.679
<v Speaker 2>special effects, films including but not limited, To nightmare On

0:24:55.720 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Eils Street part three and, Four, Society, Free Big trouble

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 2>In Little, China, Wow, predator and then he also directed

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 2>a film Titled The Guy, ver which is kind of

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>This japanese flesh superhero suit picture that also Has Mark

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 2>hamill in. It it's a weird.

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 3>One.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh he also worked On Necronomicon book of The.

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<v Speaker 3>Dead, oh is that the one THAT i Was i've

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<v Speaker 3>been trying to find a copy of but it's out

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 3>of print like, you or maybe it was never in

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 3>print in a in the appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>Region, yeah we've asked around about that, one and, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it's like what you can get it On GREEK dvd

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>or something like something like. That so, Anyway Screaming Mad,

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 2>GEORGE i feel like his his work always stands out to,

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>me even IF i even If i'm not sure he's

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>involved in the, PICTURE i CAN i can sense his

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 2>presence because there's this this sense of the stuff that he.

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Creates they just feel it feels really, alive you, know

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 2>with with synthetic. Flesh synthetic. Flesh, okay and one last

0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 2>weird connection on this, One Victor georzanski was the first

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 2>assistant director on this, film and he was also the

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<v Speaker 2>first assistant director on the nineteen eighty six adaptation of

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>The name of The.

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<v Speaker 3>Rose.

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow probably meaningless connection, there but ONE i had to latch.

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Onto, Nonetheless, WOW i really did not expect so many

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 3>solid connections to well known works from this space boxing.

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Movie, yeah especially all Those Star trek. Connections it's basically

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 2>like latched to The it should be just a part

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 2>of The Star trek, CANNON i think at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, Yeah like The enterprise just arrives, there they come,

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 3>in they have to sort out a boxing commission dispute

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<v Speaker 3>there without violating the prime. Directive, well, anyway are you

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 3>ready to get into the full plot? Breakdown let's do, It,

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<v Speaker 3>Okay so it starts with the opening. Credits you just

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of panning around in space watching the satellite Of

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 3>love roll by these rocky planetoids that look very much

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 3>like the models In Mystery Science. Theater and then suddenly

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 3>we cut to inside this space station and there's a.

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Fight it's this sort of boxing match in front of

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 3>hundreds of cheering, fans and it's between this this gross

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 3>veiny alien goat man with horns who looks a little

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Bit Freddy krueger, Ish so Think Freddy krueger goat. Horns,

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 3>yeah that whole. Thing the other, FIGHTER i think is

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 3>even more difficult to. Describe he's some kind of alien

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 3>lizard man wearing a giant spherical casing like a big

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 3>garbage can lid around his upper, body and he's got

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 3>these flailing robot, arms so he's not a. Robot there

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 3>is supposed to be some kind of organic alien inside

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 3>it who maybe doesn't have. Arms i'm not, sure because

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 3>the arms are just the robot arms that are on

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.640
<v Speaker 3>the outside of his. Suit but then those arms are

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.199
<v Speaker 3>not doing, anything so the way the fight goes is

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 3>his robot arms are just literally just flopping around while

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the goat man wails on him. Mercilessly and we learn

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 3>that these fighters are Named horn And. Spinner so the

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 3>scary goat man Is horn and the robot lizard thing

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:17.360
<v Speaker 3>with the flailing arms Is. Spinner and we notice that

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 3>each fighter has a colored spotlight shining on. Them one

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 3>is red and one is, blue and we get an

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.679
<v Speaker 3>explanation of how that works in a, bit BUT i

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 3>still never really fully understand. It they say there's like

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 3>a voiceover that, says in order to balance strength between,

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 3>species the arena uses The saiko three thousand handicapping. System

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 3>the handicappers decrease the fighter's, strength and so they, EXPLAIN

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 3>i think it's that these spotlights somehow make stronger fighters

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 3>weaker until they're. Equal does that sound? Right?

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay that is the SENSE i got from, it

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's Something i'll come back to towards the end

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>of the program here to. Discuss but, YEAH i think

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the idea is you have different species that are going

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to be, naturally you, know better at. Fighting it's kind of,

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 2>like if you have we're gonna have a boxing match

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>between a human being and A bengal. Tiger, yeah you,

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>know this system would it would make it to where

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>The bengal tiger and a weaponless human could at least

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 2>have some level of competitive, match assuming the training was in.

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Place, okay. Cool and then so we see the fight play.

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Out horn is just beating On spinner and Then horn

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 3>eventually wins the surround by Knocking spinner out of the.

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Ring so it seems like maybe there's some kind of

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 3>sumo rules in.

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Play, yeah there's a sense of sumo and then it's

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 2>a you, know ultimately about knocking the opponent out of.

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Bounce, yeah but, AGAIN i just you, KNOW i said this,

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.239
<v Speaker 3>earlier but it is so wonder. Like the crowd is

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 3>just this corni ucopia of bizarre. Creatures It's Star wars

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 3>canteena scene but multiplied times. Fifty, yeah and then we

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 3>immediately meet Rogue or And. Weasel so, Again rogue Wor

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>or is the the the Debonair space vampire. GUY i,

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 3>MEAN i don't think he's supposed to be a, vampire

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 3>BUT i say that because he's got the hair and

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 3>the face of a guy who gets cast as one

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 3>of these smooth vampires in a movie like in like

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 3>The twilight series or SOMETHING.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I could never understand stand in this film of his

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>face is supposed to be like if they painted, it

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 2>or he's supposed to be, greasy like physically. Greasy, well

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 2>he's very. Shiny, yeah, yeah he's a very shiny, character

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>but NOT i mean not so much that it's completely

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>clear that he's supposed to be some sort of humanoid

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>alien or.

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Not, Yeah i'm not quite sure about Rogue, or but

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 3>definitely The weasel who we see screwing around in the.

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Crowd he like drops a firecracker on somebody who's selling

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 3>popcorn or. Something, yeah And Weasel weasel's just a his you,

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 3>know it's a very nominative, Determinism like he's a weaseley.

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.479
<v Speaker 3>Guy he has a rat like, face and he's always

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>up to no. Good and then we see Weasel weasel

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 3>sort of the enforcer for Rog. Or he's sort of his.

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Fixer he does his dirty. Business and at Rogue ors say,

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 3>So weasel goes down and we see him Give horn

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 3>an injection of something in between. Rounds IT'S i think

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 3>suggesting that they're giving him some kind of illegal performance enhancing.

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Drug you, know they're shooting him up with VITAMIN. R

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 3>and then that Makes horn into a super beast and

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>he just freaks out and runs in there and busts

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Up spinner really. Bad.

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and not only is he a monster against some

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>sort of Like Freddy krueger, minotaur but he's also at

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>least half, machine you, know heavily cybernetically, enhanced and he's

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>also on some sort of space.

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Steroid, Right and then meanwhile we cut away to a

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 3>different place where we're in a space station diner where

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 3>the Young Steve, armstrong our hero, again the guy who

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>looks like a fruit of the loom underwear. Model you

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 3>would see him in a catalog in the nineties showing

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 3>off his, glutes and he is working as some kind

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 3>of short order cook in this space diner where everybody's

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.719
<v Speaker 3>watching The arena fight ON. Tv and he's watching it

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 3>longingly because you, know it's obvious from the beginning that

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 3>he wants to be in. There he wishes it was

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 3>him beating up On. Spinner BUT i have to, Say

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Steve armstrong does not look like a short order. Cook

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 3>he's like too tall to operate the cooking apparatus in

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>front of.

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Him. Yeah, yeah he's a very tall. Guy like, again

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>he's like six' four and when he's, up there when

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>he's in there Next, to shorty he just looks like an. Absolute.

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Giant Yeah so steve and His buddy shorty are both

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 3>working in the diner and they're clearly they're overworked and overwhelmed.

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 3>The customers they're too many customers and, they're Unruly and

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 3>steve is trying. To cook it looks like he's trying

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 3>to cook over and, open fire which is kind of

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>strange that would be happening inside a, space Station and

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 3>shorty is at the counter dealing with, unruly customers and

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 3>they sort of steal a joke From The Star Wars.

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Holiday special, You know shorty trying to get, everything done but,

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 3>HE'S like i have only got.

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Four hands it's one of a few different places in

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 2>this MOVIE where i thought Of The, holiday SPECIAL though

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 2>i think in every case it does a better job

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Than The. Holiday special but, of course how could it

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>do anything, but?

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Right, Right yeah, but anyway somehow a fight breaks out in,

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the diner And then steve has to throw down to

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 3>defend His, buddy shorty and he ends up kicking this

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 3>fish head type alien through a bunch of, plate glass

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 3>And immediately Steve and shorty are informed via like a

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 3>voiceover that comes on IN the pa system that they are.

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Both fired they are TERMINATED for i, DON'T know i

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 3>guess for getting into a fight at, the diner and

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 3>so they both lose, their jobs and they walk out of,

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 3>the diner apparently leaving it, completely unstaffed and this fishhead

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 3>guy's lying in a bunch, of GLASS and i have

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 3>to point out here there WAS already i mentioned one

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 3>Of the. Shorty Puns but i've only got four. Hands,

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 3>HERE actually i don't know if that's. A pun Sorry

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 3>if i'm using the. Words wrong all the, Corny jokes

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 3>and the next one comes In where shorty he's bringing

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.919
<v Speaker 3>him rapid fire and one of the things he says

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 3>is were you? Cloned yesterday but that makes me wonder

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 3>is there a background in this movie where, in fact

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 3>no one is quote, born anymore but everyone? Is cloned

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 3>and also what is what is? The distinction because aren't

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 3>cloned creatures? Still, BORN yeah i.

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Don't know it's just how they it's just how they

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>talk in the future at, this point, because yeah. They

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>don't they don't get into really any world building in. This,

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 2>on uh, you know aside from just the. Purely visual

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 2>what you see is what. You get the movie's not

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 2>going to really hold your hand and explain anything aside

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>from just basically how the.

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Fight, works no it's not going To robot jock's lengths

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 3>to sort of show show you the. Whole, situation yeah, but,

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 3>anyway so now being out of, The job steve is

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 3>broke and he gets kicked out of his apartment and

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 3>so he has to shack Up with shorty and and

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 3>it turns out AT first i, thought this they like

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 3>open this weird door in, a HALLWAY and i thought

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 3>that they were Going into, shorty's HOUSE so i thought

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>the implication Was that shorty lives in this dank. Access tunnel,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 3>but no it turns out they just have to go

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.720
<v Speaker 3>through this dank access tunnel to get to a place

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 3>known As, the tubes WHICH is i think it is

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 3>like the poor part of the. Space station it's where

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.760
<v Speaker 3>the non rich, inhabitants live and it's kind of. Blade

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 3>runnery it's just there's like steam and fog everywhere and

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of people just hanging around on what would

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 3>be the equivalent of the streets inside the. Space station,

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 3>and anyway while, they're walking we find Out that steve

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 3>used to be a fighter in what's known as the,

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 3>human circuit and that he came to the space station

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>hoping that he could fight in. The arena but they

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 3>lament that there's just no room for human. Fighters now

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 3>it's all. Cyborg aliens that's the only thing anybody's, interested

0:35:55.840 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 3>in and it's widely known that no human could ever be. A, contender.

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Again YEAH and i mean more, than, that like how

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>entertaining is it to watch humans battle humans if you've

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>got these other creatures to, Watch, INSTEAD like, i mean

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 2>would you watch two humans battle if you could watch

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like a space scorpion and a sea blob battle?

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Each, other, No, EXACTLY no i want To see Chewbacca

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>versus job Of, the hut not human. Versus human so

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 3>they Get to, shorty's apartment they spend. The night the,

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 3>Next morning shorty's in the middle of cooking something that looks.

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Really revolting it's just this like, beige slime and they

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 3>talk about how eggs are an expensive. Luxury ITEM so i,

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 3>DON'T know i guess that's sort of oblique. World building

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 3>and then there's a knock at the Door and steve.

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Answers it these two goons are standing there and one

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 3>of them just punches him right in, the face which.

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Is great these two goons. Bust in They beat. Steve

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 3>up the fight moves out into the streets again of,

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 3>the tubes and a big fight, scene ensues.

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>And Of course steve wins, this encounter and we shortly

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>found find out that these are the goons of another.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Boxing promoter These are, quinn's, Goons.

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Right So claudia Christian playing quinn shows up and we

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 3>find out that the fishhead Guy that steve beat up

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 3>in the diner was actually an arena fighter, elite level

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 3>and the guys there to Beat. UP steve i guess

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 3>could you figure? This out were they supposed to be

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 3>giving him some sort of Tryout at, quinn's prompting or

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 3>were they just out to get revenge for him beating

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 3>up one of.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 2>THEIR guys i think it was just. Straight justice that WAS.

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 3>What i got out. Of it but, either Way once quinn,

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 3>shows up she's clearly interested In getting steve into. The

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 3>arena she wants him on. Her Team, but steve at

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 3>first he refuses. The call, you know he will not

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 3>heed the call. To adventure steve just wants a ticket Back,

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 3>to earth but unfortunately he can't. Afford it so then

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 3>there is a great Scene where Steve and shorty have

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 3>to get some money To get steve a ticket Back.

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 3>To earth so they end up going to a Casino

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 3>because shorty has a guaranteed system to win the. Big

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 3>BUCKS and i gotta say about one of my favorite

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 3>things about this whole casino scene is that they Got

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 3>to it's like, a speakeasy so they got to say

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 3>the password to get in through the. Secret door, you

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 3>know they open up the little slot in, the DOOR

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 3>and i love the alien who's operating. The door the Password,

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 3>is swordfish and the alien who's operating the door has

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 3>THESE massive i don't know how this like tusk trunk

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 3>apparatus coming Way to it's got like a two foot. Long.

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Chin, yes, yeah again the awesome alien designs and alien

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>makeup effects are just in every corner of.

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 3>The, film Yeah but shorty's got a guaranteed system to

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 3>win the. Big bucks that's some kind of alien, gambling

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 3>thing and it doesn't go. SO well i. Don't know

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 3>do you have general thoughts about this. ALIEN casino i

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 3>really loved, the SCENE and i have TO say i

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 3>am Not A last. JEDI hater i Enjoyed The, last

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 3>JEDI but i was not a huge fan of its casino.

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 3>See quins this this casino sequence is The better.

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Alien casino, OH well I MEAN i i don't remember

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the casino Sequence And last jedi, as much which maybe

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that that says something, About IT but, i don't, YOU

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>know i certainly don't remember. DISLIKING it i liked. This one,

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 2>BUT again i just saw this film the, other day,

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>so yeah it's it's. Really good it also has like

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 2>a dancing, hologram lady which is another point in the

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>film that reminded me directly Of The Star Wars. Holiday special, oh,

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 2>right yes but again it's another scene that's just a

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 2>feast for. The eyes there's all sorts of crazy stuff,

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>going on lots of cool.

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Looking aliens, WELL wait i don't know is the DANCE

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 3>if i might, be forgetting is the dancing hologram lady

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 3>in the casino itself or is she only in the

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 3>bar they go. To afterwards maybe she's in the Bar, after,

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 3>okay no we'll get to that in just. A, second

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.840
<v Speaker 3>no first we got to, mention that can you explain

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 3>the plot here? To me for, some reason violence breaks

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 3>out in, the CASINO and I don't i didn't understand.

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Understand WHY maybe i should have gone back and watched.

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 3>It again But suddenly weasel's there and people are shooting

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 3>lasers at, each OTHER and i didn't know who was

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 3>shooting at who. Or why there's. Some alien there's like

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.280
<v Speaker 3>this alien with an, aluminum head this like reflective silver METAL.

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Had i think those are. The, robocops okay that's, the

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 2>thing is the cop. Showed up they busted up, the

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>joint and so in, The chaos shorty just grab, some money, Right.

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 3>Right, okay yes, All right so they grab the Money

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 3>and Shorty and steve get out, of there and then

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 3>they go to, a bar and this is where The hologram.

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Lady happens so IN my i wonder to what extent

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 3>this was because of the degraded audio and the VERSION

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 3>that i watched her if it's like, This Naturally but

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Steve and shorty sit at a bar and they watched,

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 3>this singing dancing green, hologram lady and the music that

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:53.800
<v Speaker 3>she is singing over is. Audio horror it just it's

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 3>like the one of the Worst sounds i've. Ever heard

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 3>it's the sound of a k hole spiral around the

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 3>thought of what it's like to.

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Be, dead yes this was kind OF what i got

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 2>out OF the dvd copy of the film, as WELL

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 2>because i think it's an incident of SOMETHING that, I don't,

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I can't i don't. Like it it's not like this

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 2>IS something i enjoy, listening TO but i enjoy encountering it,

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.959
<v Speaker 2>in films and that is when somebody was clearly called

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>upon to create, futuristic music which is a, unique challenge

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>like what do? You do how Do you you're going

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>to try and create something that we don't, have now

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that maybe we wouldn't like now but we would like in.

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 2>The future and so a lot of times that in

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes they'll just create something that's maybe, you know

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>tying into current trends and fringe trends that, are emerging,

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>you know like if it's some sort of a, cyberpunk

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 2>film like they'll suddenly there'll be a bunch of like

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.600
<v Speaker 2>reggae and you'll, be, like okay, you know, all right

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 2>it's some sort of reggae or maybe they've taken some dub,

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 2>or something or it's whatever is popular and. New now

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 2>but other times they do THIS which i, don't know

0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:00.040
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like it's sort of, space jazzy but

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't feel it doesn't feel like this could

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 2>possibly be the music of. The future but you understand

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 2>what they were trying. To do it's a, like again

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a It's a i'm sure it's a fascinating musical

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>exercise to engage on.

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Well what for whatever it was supposed. To be it

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 3>was like one of the most Awful sounds i've. Ever,

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 3>heard yeah and just this, Horrible dissonance and everybody's sitting

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 3>at the bar is clearly just. Watching enraptured they're watching

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 3>this hologram lady and, they're like she's. So amazing there's

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 3>this admiral acbar looking dude whose eyes are swiveling around

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 3>like fan blades and he's sticking his. Tongue, out yes.

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the. Great things like just little moments

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 2>like this, have extravagant extravagant special effects with the makeup in,

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>That towe like it's not just that there's an alien, Watching, this,

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.239
<v Speaker 2>like no he's like every orifice of his face is

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 2>involved in.

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 3>The situation in. THIS scene i also really like there's

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:56.399
<v Speaker 3>a guy in. The background you don't see, him much

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 3>but he's sort of in the back whose head just

0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 3>looks like a huge gray clay pot and his eyes

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 3>are just holes in.

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>The pot now have We met skull yet at this

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 2>point or does he show?

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 3>Up? Later, OH yeah i think we've. Met skull Skull is,

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 3>oh gee how to. Describe skull skull looks like one

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 3>of the Deadites from army, of darkness but with.

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Cybernetic, implants yeah he's he's like a cyborg brain augmentation

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 2>junkie who's also. A hacker, so yeah he looks. Absolutely

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 2>HORRIFYING and, i say HE but i. DON'T know i

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 2>know that the actor who played them is, a HEAT

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>but i have no Idea if skull is supposed to

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 2>be male. Or female AND first i kind of thought

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe this, is like This is, weasel's partner they're life partners,

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 2>or SOMETHING and i don't think that's. THE case i

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 2>think they just. Work, together okay but, But yeah skull

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 2>is horrendous looking and is part of the whole criminal.

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Enterprise here, so Yeah so weasel is on the scene in.

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 3>The bar weasel shows up and pulls a Gun On

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 3>steven shorty and takes them back To rogue or for

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>some classic. Villain intimidation the rogu, wars like you owe.

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 3>Me money steve needs to get money to Pay rogu war.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Back for what does he need to pay him? Back

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.720
<v Speaker 3>for did they steal money from? His? Casino, is yes.

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>So That Was rogu wor's money that they stole from

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the busted, up casino Which then shorty used to Buy the.

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Earth ticket, so yeah So when roguar like brings, him in,

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>HE'S like i want my. Money back you stole it.

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 2>From me and, HE'S like i have, the ticket and then,

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.839
<v Speaker 2>he's like this isn't even this doesn't cover the cost

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>of what. YOU stole i want the. Actual money so.

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 3>They hold shorty hostage while they Wait for steve to

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 3>go get the money to. Pay back and there's a

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 3>great little scene in THERE where i guess the hours are,

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>going by and then you See that Shorty and weasel

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 3>are both are playing cards with, each OTHER and i

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 3>think maybe they're both trying. To, cheat yeah but Of

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 3>course steve comes back and he gets, the money he Bails.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Out shorty and where did he get, The, money well

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 3>it's an advance because he Went to quinn and he

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 3>promised to ox aliens for, Her.

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Right and so now this is basically the. Whole setup

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 2>how are we gonna get this guy in the ring? Fighting,

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 2>aliens well now, we're, Here.

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Right and now now the movie is just kicked into.

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Full gear it's in arena mode until. The end SO

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 3>and i would say maybe the highlight of the whole

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 3>movie for Me was steve's, first fight which is where

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 3>he fights a giant dinosaur slug like it's a it's

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 3>a slug with Sort of tyrannosaurus rex head and little t,

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 3>rex arms but with giant grasshopper legs And A freddy.

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Krueger, face yeah this creature's name is sloth and it.

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Is incredible it's just An incredible like they were so

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 2>ambitious in creating and bringing this character to life, on

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>SCREEN and i feel like they really pulled. It OFF

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>like i totally bought this as an. Organic creature it's

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 2>just it's splendid.

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 3>To, Behold YEAH and i, don't know it's it's absurd

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 3>like watching them Fight because steve is throwing punches, at it. You,

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 3>know yeah it's like this job of the hut grasshopper

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 3>is like twenty times bigger. Than him but he does.

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 3>EVENTUALLY win i think he figured he does some kind

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 3>of special. Little tactic he targets its nerve or something.

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 2>What day like punches it in a nerve on. ITS

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>side I think shorty's like, telling, him like go for

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the go for the, sensory nerve go for the, sensory

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 2>nerve and so he does.

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Yep bum rock. Yep bum but it's Victory. For Steve

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 3>so steve wins this first, big fight and, it's fame,

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 3>it's glory. It's money he's instantly. A celebrity the audience eats,

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 3>it up and then everything's Coming Up steve armstrong and

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 3>then like that NIGHT he's i think it's supposed to be,

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 3>that night he's like at a. Swanky club so he

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 3>goes from, you know sleeping on couches in, the tubes

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 3>to being at a swanky.

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Club, overnight yeah it's, AND really i guess this is

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of a typical structure for some sort of a

0:46:56.120 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 2>boxing or, competition, film right because, what's important first, big

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>match and then you kind of montage all the, middle

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 2>stuff and then it's going to be the last, big

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 2>match like the. Championship, match yes, exactly so but there's

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 2>a there's a FUNNY part i thought when Step and

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:14.879
<v Speaker 2>quinn are talking after his first.

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 3>Big victory so they're out at the. Swanky club they're

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 3>in a booth and she starts telling this story about

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 3>how her father used to run a stable of fighters in.

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 3>The arena but that was back when it was a,

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 3>real sport before rogue or turned it into. A business,

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 3>she says this, with contempt and it's this odd nostalgia

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 3>for the early days of this brutal. GLADIATORIAL institution i,

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 3>DON'T know i don't really. Get it but the message

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:47.240
<v Speaker 3>is that the arena could be, a beautiful, noble thing

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 3>but under rogue or it's all about.

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>That cash what if this competition used to settle intergalactic

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 2>turmoil and then it just got too commercial, For everybody

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>like we'll just do it for entertainment and we'll just

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>have actual wars that would.

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Make sense he used to be champion warfare like, robot

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 3>chocks but now or like in the, short story, but

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 3>yeah now it's just all about rogue or raking in the.

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 3>Big bucks and so, She said, Quinn says i'm just

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 3>trying to keep my dad's. Dream alive so we find Out,

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 3>that Horn remember horn from, The beginning he is Still

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.280
<v Speaker 3>rogu or's, top fighter and he comes Up to Steve

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 3>and quinn in the club and menaces them in. Some

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 3>ways BUT again i could not understand anything he. Was,

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.880
<v Speaker 3>SAYING occasionally i picked out the word HUMAN that i

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 3>assume he was using as a pejorative And horn horn

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:41.879
<v Speaker 3>also says his own name. A.

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 2>LOT yeah i think this Is A frank, welker voice

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>and he could have just been saying anything and you

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 2>would know what. He's saying like he's just saying he's

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:53.360
<v Speaker 2>great human suck and he's going To beat armstrong in

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the next.

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 3>BIG match i must break HIM or i must. Break

0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 3>you but it's Like gore. O voice yeah so, yeah

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 3>here but here we go into. Montage mode we're just

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:15.839
<v Speaker 3>sort of like quickly Montaging through steve beating a bunch

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 3>of different. Aliens up it's like the musical Scene In

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 3>raging bull with the slow, motion FIGHTS and i think

0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 3>at one point it does a split screen it like

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 3>shows you four different fights at the.

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Same, time yeah he's just working his way up, the

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 2>ranks fighting. Various aliens but then eventually the commissioner of

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 2>the Arena forces rogor To give steve a chance To

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:41.240
<v Speaker 2>fight horn for, the Title and rogor is not happy

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 2>about this because it's, His, fighter HORN who i don't

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 2>know why he DOESN'T want, I mean horn should be,

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>fighting people right if he's, the, champion right and if

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 2>this other, guy's popular you think, like that it sounds

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>like a big. Money match shouldn't everybody want? That match,

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 2>but again you just kind of roll.

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 3>WITH it i guess it doesn't make a lot, of

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 3>sense and it Seems like rogor should be. With this,

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 3>But anyway Rogue or Weasel and skull plan to cheat

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.920
<v Speaker 3>by hacking into the. HANDICAPPING system i remember the red

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:11.840
<v Speaker 3>and blue Spotlights The sea core, three THOUSAND and i

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 3>really don't fully understand how those are supposed, to work

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>but they're supposed to make the. Fight fair and, they're

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 3>like we're gonna hack it to make.

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 2>It, Unfair well Weasel and skull, are like we can,

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 2>do this we can hack, into it and And rogu war, IS,

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:27.839
<v Speaker 2>like a, that's IMPOSSIBLE AND b i have another plan.

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 2>That'll work oh.

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 3>That's, Right yeah rogue, wors like no one has ever

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Hacked the. Sekor, Before uh but they're they're going to

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.800
<v Speaker 3>figure it out Because because skull's got like a computer

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 3>in uh in his or.

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Her, brain, yeah Yeah they're they're, like again they're They're

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna they're all hopped up on the AUGMENTS and i

0:50:46.960 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>think they can take it.

0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.439
<v Speaker 3>Down. Right uh in, the meantime there's also a great

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 3>training Scene where steve fights this giant. Ripped armadillo he

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 3>wasn't in the. MOVIE much i think it was just.

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 3>The SCENE but i really Like. THIS armadillo i wanted

0:50:58.440 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 3>him to be more of.

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>A character i think he was supposed to be like a.

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Stable mate so they're just training together because afterwards, they're,

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like hey, you know pretty good, in, There kid you doing? All?

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Right yeah, but yeah Just imagine armadillo with like. Giant.

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Muscles yeah but then there's there's this Part where steve

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 3>has a romance with this lady who Works. For roguar

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 3>now here's A question i wasn't sure about the. Answer

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 3>to this woman is somebody who comes And, meets Steve

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 3>and steve is clearly very interested. In her are we

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.839
<v Speaker 3>to understand that she was the woman singing in the?

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 3>HOLOGRAM earlier i think she was.

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 2>SINGING earlier i can't remember if she's the hologram woman

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 2>or she was on stage, and okay she was a

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>performer earlier. For, sure okay but but she is also

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.399
<v Speaker 2>will find it she's also With. Rogu or She's rogu,

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 2>or's vixen.

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Right and she so she has a brief Romance, with

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 3>steve but she tries to do. Something devious she tries

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 3>To get steve to. Drink something it's a it's a

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 3>toast to the, new championship and obviously it is the

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 3>opposite of the vibe an r that They're. GIVING horn

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 3>i don't know what's supposed to be in, the drink

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 3>but it's it's something That makes.

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Steve, weak yeah the long and short of it is

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:10.959
<v Speaker 2>she seduces him and, poisons Him and steve just, never

0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.440
<v Speaker 2>think he never even second guesses any of his, Choices

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 2>here like this just seems like the thing to do

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 2>when everybody watching it knows exactly what's going, to happen

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like that that woman is going to, Poison. You steve

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 2>that's clearly what's going.

0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 3>To, happen yeah she like comes over with these two

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 3>glasses and he's just, like yep down.

0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 2>The hatch but it's implied that she, doesn't well she

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't poison. Him enough perhaps That's what rogoran is Accusing

0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Of VIX and i, was like you clearly didn't give him,

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.239
<v Speaker 2>enough poison because he does not.

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Die right so he gets to a doctor in time

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.279
<v Speaker 3>and he's able. To fight so it's the morning of

0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:48.320
<v Speaker 3>the big Fight between Steve, and horn and the doctors

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:52.440
<v Speaker 3>get him in. Shipshape again and so they start, the

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 3>fight and at first it, seems like, you know it's

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 3>just an. Even fight they're. Trading blows steve's. Doing good

0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 3>but then of course there is Meddling by Weesel. And

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 3>skull they're up there hacking the handicapping system and it

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:07.319
<v Speaker 3>looks like they're, hacking WORKS so i guess they either

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.520
<v Speaker 3>turn it off or they meddle with it in such

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:13.120
<v Speaker 3>a way that it that It enhances. Horn's Power so

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.439
<v Speaker 3>horn really starts getting the upper hand in, the fight

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 3>And then shorty has to go to. The rescue he

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:21.359
<v Speaker 3>like runs up into the catwalks above the fight where

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 3>the computer system, is Housed And shorty shorty can slam

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 3>like he Beats up weasel.

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Really, good yeah And then weasel does a nice fall

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 2>to his death off.

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 3>The top Oh and skull's head explodes for.

0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Some reason, oh, yeah yeah it gets Too, much yeah

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>while he's hacking and then has his. Skull explodes and

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty pretty nice.

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 3>As well so the ending is. Quite predictable it is Victory.

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 3>For steve Steve, defeats horn and it's very rocky for

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 3>But Replace ivan drego with this horned goat beast and

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Replace The soviet union.

0:53:54.560 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 1>With.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:54:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Space, yeah again it's just a standard boxing trope plot.

0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Line here. You know you could you can, well imagine

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 2>like any other some other tropes they could have put,

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 2>In there like they could easily have done a sequel

0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 2>perhaps where you have like An older steve and he's

0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:14.799
<v Speaker 2>asked to take a dive in one last fight by

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the mob and refuses to. Do it that sort. Of

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 2>thing it's that kind.

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Of.

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 3>World yeah now there's been this boxing announcer who has

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 3>has little moments throughout, the movie and the movie ends with,

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.000
<v Speaker 3>him talking, you know as the crowd is Cheering. For

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:33.880
<v Speaker 3>steve it ends with this announcer uttering this very. Bizarre statement,

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 3>he says as long as There Are steve armstrong's out

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:42.080
<v Speaker 3>there in, the universe there will always. Be contenders something

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 3>about the. Tenses there i'm not, quite sure but. That's.

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Arena yeah, so yeah it doesn't really. Mean much it

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really have a message, per se but it's just

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a nice movie with just incredibly. Weird

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.840
<v Speaker 2>creatures it it's a creature fest for.

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.759
<v Speaker 3>The, eyes yes it's all about. The creatures that is

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 3>the reason to watch this movie is.

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 2>The creatures so ONE thing i wanted to talk about

0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in reference to this film is just the idea, of

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 2>having first, of all interspecies fights where you have creatures from,

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 2>different species, you know the, different planets, different ecosystems fighting.

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Each other and again the idea, is, that yes some

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:29.520
<v Speaker 2>creatures are just going to be naturally stronger, than others

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 2>naturally faster, than others and if you want to have

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 2>fair competition take place between, the two you have to

0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:39.799
<v Speaker 2>use this, handicapping system this dampening system that makes one of,

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the fighters like physically weaker so that they can have a.

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 3>COMPETITIVE match i thought it was interesting that basically all

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 3>of the difference between the species is conceptualized just in

0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:55.320
<v Speaker 3>terms of a difference, in strength like just, muscle strength

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 3>how hard can they throw, a punch and not like

0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 3>chemical differences like do they? Breathe oxygen do they have

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 3>like different types of metabolism and, body speed or like

0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 3>heat and. Cold, tolerances no it's just everything. Breathes oxygen

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 3>it's all basically like just weird different kinds, of creatures

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 3>but with standard.

0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Earth, chemistry yeah yeah. You have they don't get too complicated.

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 2>With that it's just the other creatures, are yeah, physically

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:25.440
<v Speaker 2>stronger and in some cases they are cybernetically enhanced and

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 2>also sometimes chemically enhanced, as well and we see all,

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 2>of that of Course, with horn who's just all gnarled

0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:37.360
<v Speaker 2>muscle and, cybernetic enhancements and of course bringing in the

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:39.239
<v Speaker 2>idea of, a bull you get the idea that he

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:43.920
<v Speaker 2>has like bull, Like strength so getting out of the

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:47.879
<v Speaker 2>like just purely fantastic side, of this we could say

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 2>that this film deals with a lot of certainly non

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>human boxing and interaction between our human hero and these

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 2>various alien and, Cyborg fighters and in this actually touches

0:56:56.880 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 2>on a topic of some, academic interest humanism. And. SPORTS

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 2>huh i actually ran across a PhD thesis thesis that

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 2>gets into this, regarding Boxing Specifically Gerard James brady's transhumanism

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 2>And the transformation Of the Experience and spectacle In the

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Art of boxing from. Twenty, eighteen okay so is.

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 3>The concept, here, that like how would sports be and

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:28.560
<v Speaker 3>be affected by people taking into their physical body sort

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 3>of different types of technological upgrades that might make them

0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:33.000
<v Speaker 3>stronger or faster.

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Or, whatever right what if one boxer in the future

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>is cybernetically augmented or, chemically augmented. Genetically, augmented like what

0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:43.880
<v Speaker 2>if you end up with one boxer Looking like horn

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:48.200
<v Speaker 2>and he's going in fighting an otherwise, human boxer like

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you would kind of you would. Create this you would

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 2>be able to turn what we think of as like

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 2>normal boxing into this. Alien spectacle and then what would?

0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:01.560
<v Speaker 2>That mean so it's a it's a long paper that

0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 2>gets into a lot of the nuts and bolts, of

0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:08.040
<v Speaker 2>this but, In it brady talks about the transhuman quote

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 2>tipping point, in boxing which he describes as quote the

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 2>point at which the athlete is unable to identify the

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 2>actions and therefore the achievements, as his and also the

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 2>point where the audience is unable to engage verritically with.

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:27.280
<v Speaker 2>The athletes so on the, first count the question is

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 2>at what point is the individual just lost in this world,

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:35.080
<v Speaker 2>of cybernetic genetic and or. Chemical, enhancements horn, for instance

0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 2>seems to, be able seems to be at least half

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:39.680
<v Speaker 2>machine at this point he benefits from THESE vitamin. R

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 2>injections so does the sport reach a Point where horn

0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>would no longer feel the victories as his? Own victories

0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:48.680
<v Speaker 2>does the fight cease to feel like.

0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 3>A fight he does not, seem to at least in

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<v Speaker 3>the context of. This movie he thinks those victories are.

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<v Speaker 3>His victories he won't even he can't stop saying his.

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<v Speaker 3>Own name he's so proud.

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<v Speaker 2>Of, himself true he's seems really into. It, now interestingly

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<v Speaker 2>this is a point IN the i think we can

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<v Speaker 2>agree that the more thought Provoking Film robot jock does

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<v Speaker 2>act ask. This point it does sort of raise his

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<v Speaker 2>question at, some point, you know at what point is

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<v Speaker 2>the human inside neither soldier nor pilot but a. Mere,

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<v Speaker 2>Mechanic right, but again they don't really get into that in.

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<v Speaker 2>This film but, But anyway brady argues that there's a point

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<v Speaker 2>at which the athlete will lose interest in the sport

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<v Speaker 2>if enough levers are pulled on changing who they are

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<v Speaker 2>and what. They are and on the, other point the

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<v Speaker 2>audience has to believe in it enough for it to feel. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>REALITY now i think worked in semi worked sports and

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<v Speaker 2>fights blur the line a, Bit here, but yeah you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to believe in the sport you're,

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<v Speaker 2>presented with or at least be able to suspend your

0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:51.720
<v Speaker 2>own disbelief in order in order to.

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<v Speaker 3>Watch, It, right, well yeah that's a. GOOD point i

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't thought about. Work sports so you're talking about sports

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<v Speaker 3>that would involve like an element of k fabe, or

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<v Speaker 3>something is?

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<v Speaker 2>That, right yeah some, some degree either it's partially worked

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<v Speaker 2>or it's, entirely worked like.

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<v Speaker 3>Professional, wrestling okay so in, professional wrestling is it is

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<v Speaker 3>a staged theatrical performance that involves athleticism in. The theatricality

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<v Speaker 3>but obviously people are still interested in, watching it like

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<v Speaker 3>it's still fun, to watch and so the question is,

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny like in, professional wrestling you can know that

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<v Speaker 3>about it and still enjoy. Watching it but if people

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<v Speaker 3>thought that supposedly real, boxing matches if they were to

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly discover that it, were worked that seems like that

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<v Speaker 3>would make people lose interest. In it, You, know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well if you know, it's worked then every match has to,

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<v Speaker 2>be entertaining.

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<v Speaker 3>YOU know, i, mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>THAT'S true i feel like there are certain demands that

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<v Speaker 2>are made ON legitimate, i mean there are certain demands

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<v Speaker 2>that are in place on. Work sports there aren't there

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<v Speaker 2>as much on, legitimate sports, You know and THEY'RE like

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<v Speaker 2>i remember seeing it, mentioned, that well when you have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoot match when it's like not a, work match sometimes

1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the wrong, person wins, you know like you can't orchestrate

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<v Speaker 2>things to that degree if it's just a legitimate competition

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<v Speaker 2>for the. Most part, But anyway brady ends up summarizing

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<v Speaker 2>this idea of this tipping point, by saying in terms,

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<v Speaker 2>of boxing my instinct is to say that, this point the,

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<v Speaker 2>tipping point will be reached if and when the fighters

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<v Speaker 2>lose their appearance of vulnerability and where it seems as

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<v Speaker 2>though their struggle and determination to hear the sound of

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<v Speaker 2>the final bell. IS removed i could.

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<v Speaker 3>SEE that i mean a lot of the appeal, of

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<v Speaker 3>sports especially a very personal sport like one on one

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<v Speaker 3>boxing is a drama and a sort of like you're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing not just a physical contest like who can throw a,

1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:53.600
<v Speaker 3>stronger punch but it seems to be a contest of.

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<v Speaker 3>Individual wills and if you reach a point where it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't you're not really seeing a personal in the fighter

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<v Speaker 3>anymore come through in, their struggle then maybe the sport

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<v Speaker 3>loses interest for a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of, spectators YEAH and I think i think this point

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<v Speaker 2>is really interesting when we think about arena here and

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps this is an area where one might lean in

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of to create explanations for what's happening in.

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<v Speaker 2>The film But because, i'm thinking like that, dampening technology that,

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<v Speaker 2>handicamping technology the blue and the red lights, in arena

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they exist to ensure that the boxing is a

1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:36.200
<v Speaker 2>struggle for even the naturally powerful or cybernetically, enhanced combatants,

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<v Speaker 2>you know to keep it. A struggle so it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like that it's not just about keeping it fair for

1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.360
<v Speaker 2>all the, species involved but making sure that it is

1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:47.240
<v Speaker 2>in fact a rewarding endeavor for both the fighters and,

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<v Speaker 2>the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the audience want to see, a struggle like they

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to see just like two machines that are

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<v Speaker 3>sort of maxed out in their competence executing their functions

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<v Speaker 3>appropriately until one of them can't do. It anymore they

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<v Speaker 3>want to see, a, Drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and so perhaps the dampening technology is there to

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<v Speaker 2>insure drama and to ensure that that, both combatants or

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<v Speaker 2>at least one, of them, is, vulnerable right because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to just see meat machines like whaling on.

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<v Speaker 2>Each other you want to see, this tension this drama

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<v Speaker 2>of the. Boxing, MATCH yeah i.

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<v Speaker 3>BUY that I mean i don't think about things like

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<v Speaker 3>boxing a. Whole lot but that seems that seems like

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<v Speaker 3>a reasonable read.

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<v Speaker 2>To, ME yeah i know we have, SOME well i

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<v Speaker 2>certainly know we have some combat enthusiasts, out There and

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<v Speaker 2>i'm sure we have some boxers, as Well so i'd

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<v Speaker 2>be interested to hear what any of you have. To,

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<v Speaker 2>say again that Thesis is transhumanism And the transformation Of

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<v Speaker 2>the Experience and spectacle In the Art of boxing from,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen and it's available online if you look around.

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<v Speaker 3>For, It rob should we wrap it? Up there i've

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<v Speaker 3>really enjoyed Talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Arena, TODAY yeah i guess it's time to wrap. It

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<v Speaker 2>up first, of all let's touch on where you get.

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<v Speaker 2>THIS film i think a full version of this film

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<v Speaker 2>has been up on YouTube for a number. Of years

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<v Speaker 2>i'm not sure where you were able to, Watch, it

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<v Speaker 2>JOE but i saw. It, there yeah it, was there

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