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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Joe McCormick, and today we're going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about Arena from nineteen eighty nine. I gotta say,

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Speaker 3: of all the movies I've ever seen that are a

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Speaker 3: ripoff of Rocky set in a space station full of

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Speaker 3: weird alien creatures, this is the best. It's got to be.

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Speaker 2: Tops. Yeah, it's a pretty simple concept, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of love went into bringing it to life. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: for the most part, we're just talking when we're talking

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Speaker 2: about Arena. Here again, nineteen eighty nine's Arena not to

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Speaker 2: be confused with other films that have used that title.

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Speaker 2: This is just an old fashioned boxing crime movie, except

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Speaker 2: it's set on a space station, and that space station

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Speaker 2: is occupied by just oodles and oodles of the aliens.

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Speaker 3: A corniucopia of strange critters. The way I was describing it,

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Speaker 3: I was talking to Rachel about it, and I realized,

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Speaker 3: it's if you decided you wanted to make an entire

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Speaker 3: movie out of the canteena scene from Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely it it It seems to maintain that level

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Speaker 2: of just of just you know, that this alien intensity

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Speaker 2: just throughout the entire film, just.

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Speaker 3: Like everywhere you turn, it's like, oh, here's the guy

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Speaker 3: with the weird like the sort of scrotal lobes for

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Speaker 3: the chin, and then here's the guy gets his arm

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Speaker 3: cut off, and the weird dude with the S shaped slughead.

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Speaker 3: They're just everywhere. And then also there there are lots

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Speaker 3: of robots. So this is a movie that's very very

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Speaker 3: cyborg focused. So it's not just weird aliens, but weird

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Speaker 3: aliens with interesting robotic and mechanical implants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so there's just there's there's cyborgs. There are

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Speaker 2: aliens there. Alien cyborgs were all in all over the place,

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Speaker 2: with a few humans here and there as well, just

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Speaker 2: to keep it grounded, I guess, in something that that

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Speaker 2: human viewers can understand. But yeah, it's just like there's

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Speaker 2: constantly something cool to look at in this in this film,

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Speaker 2: and it goes we'll get into this as we perceive,

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Speaker 2: but it goes beyond the alien. The aliens all look incredible,

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Speaker 2: but just like the costuming and set pieces in this

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Speaker 2: picture are also very well done, especially considering like that

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Speaker 2: the place it is budget wise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something at the high budget end of

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Speaker 3: the special effects spectrum, but it's got breadth and depth

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Speaker 3: of special effects, So the makeup effects and every in

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Speaker 3: the and the set design and everything. It's both. It's

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Speaker 3: both wide weird and deep weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This was one of many Empire International releases that

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Speaker 2: came out from producer Charles Band prior to that folding

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Speaker 2: and then him moving on to the Full Moon Entertainment.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you remember this. This box art.

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Speaker 2: I certainly remember this box art. The VHS and probably

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Speaker 2: DVD box art for this film had a real big

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Speaker 2: fight feel to it. It looked like an old fashioned

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Speaker 2: boxing poster and it just said Arena Tonight, Championship grudge

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Speaker 2: match Man versus Monster, and then it has the head

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Speaker 2: shot of Steve with Steve Armstrong and then the head

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Speaker 2: and it says for a thousand years, no human has

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Speaker 2: been the champion. He wants to be the first.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's true. I think that's one of

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Speaker 3: those many things where there's a promotional bit of copy

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Speaker 3: for the film that totally gets the plot wrong because

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Speaker 3: there's a previous human champion in this movie who's still alive,

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Speaker 3: so it can't have been more than I don't know,

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Speaker 3: a couple decades since there was a human champion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't tell us he's a thousand years old.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this film would mention that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's go ahead and listen to a

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Speaker 2: little bit of the trailer audio on this one.

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Speaker 3: On the Edge of our Galaxy, a battle drug where

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Speaker 3: alien warriors compete for the ultimate prize.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, a human you'll battle and the arena?

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Speaker 3: Now where is the challenger where humans have lost?

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Speaker 2: You ever thought about the arena site?

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Speaker 3: It ain't gonna work as guy's a human, what it

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Speaker 3: takes to win? You're talking about arena fighting it it's

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Speaker 3: not for me.

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go. I think you get it

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Speaker 2: there too. There's a big fight field of this picture.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The one thing that this movie didn't really have,

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Speaker 3: and I wish it had had, was like some Rick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ultimately more based in the boxing world, I think,

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Speaker 3: M hm. So who are the people behind this movie?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's start at the top. The director is

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Speaker 2: Peter Manoogian and this guy was born out of Charles

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Speaker 2: Band's Empire International Pictures. He directed a segment in their

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Speaker 2: second feature, an anthology film titled The Dungeon Master, and

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Speaker 2: that was his first directional credit. Following work as an

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Speaker 2: well as some other pictures such as Galaxy of Terror,

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Speaker 2: he was a production manager on several films, including Humanoids

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Speaker 2: from the Deep and a lovely little nineteen eighty two

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Speaker 2: thriller filmed on Tybee Island right here in Georgia titled

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Speaker 2: The Slayer, which I don't think you've seen this one, Joe.

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Speaker 2: I've seen It's it's not a super weird picture, so

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Speaker 2: it's not something we'll probably ever talk about here, but

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Speaker 2: it is filmed on Tybee Island. It's a genre film

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Speaker 2: And there's a sequence that involves like an old ruined

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Speaker 2: theater that's really creepy, and today you can go to

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Speaker 2: that theater and its like fully restored, so it's it's

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Speaker 2: a really weird experience. But yeah, The Slayer he was

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Speaker 3: Now you already mentioned this really great box art for

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Speaker 3: this movie. The other thing that I think I'm familiar

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Speaker 3: with this director from is having directed a movie that

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen yet but has one of the best

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Speaker 3: posters in movie history, and that's The Eliminators or Eliminators.

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Speaker 2: That's right from eighty six. That's another Empire International picture,

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Speaker 2: and that's one that I own but have not watched

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Speaker 2: in full yet. I have a feeling, and we'll come

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Speaker 3: The poster features a you know that classic rushing at

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Speaker 3: you posture where the main cast is running right into

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Speaker 3: your face, and one of them is a human tank

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Speaker 3: with treads, and I think another one is a ninja,

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Speaker 3: and one of them is some kind of mad scientist.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a really great ensemble.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's some wonderful connection in that film as well,

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Speaker 2: but we'll save that for a later day. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we'll get to the Eliminators. Let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the writers here. It's just kind of interesting that

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Speaker 2: it's this team of writers, Danny Bilson and Paul Demio.

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Speaker 2: These two got their start in the Charles band Camp

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Speaker 2: with pictures such as nineteen eighty Fours Trancers and eighty

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Speaker 2: game writing and recently wrote the screenplay for the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty film to Five Bloods by Spike Lee. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: speaking of the writing behind this, I was looking. I

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Speaker 2: looked up to see what Michael Weldon of a Psychotronic

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Speaker 2: the plot has a lot in common with the Frederick

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Speaker 2: Brown short story Arena. That quote had already been done

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Speaker 2: twice on Star Trek and once on the Outer Limits.

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Speaker 2: So I looked into this and there is the story

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Speaker 2: indeed titled Arena, and it has to do with this

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Speaker 2: situation where these two intergalactic factions are about to go

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Speaker 3: This is a robot shox again.

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Speaker 2: Similar yeah idea, like it comes down to trial by

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Speaker 2: here though, is that you have that classic sixty seven

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Speaker 2: exact same thing happens. And if I'm reading this correctly,

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Speaker 2: that's the connection there. There was also an Outer Limits

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Speaker 2: episode from sixty four titled Fun and Games that apparently

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Speaker 2: has some similarities to this. But with this nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: I don't really see. I don't think there's anything in

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Speaker 2: not like robot jocks, where this is deciding who controls

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Speaker 3: There is some sense that the dignity of humankind is

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Speaker 3: and there's this widespread understanding that a human can't really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much. That's the only thing that's

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of them around for some reason.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why would you want to have a human

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Speaker 3: boxer on your side when you could have like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the alien and cyborg fighters are a lot more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but so I guess we should get to who

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Speaker 3: so I should have done the cross check on IMDb,

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Speaker 3: but I never got there with him. But it's this

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Speaker 3: briefs model.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it should come as no surprise that he was

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Speaker 2: his name is Paul Paul Sadderfield, and yeah, he's just

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Speaker 2: He's an incredibly handsome six' four actor with blonde hair

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Speaker 2: cloned out of The frankenfurter. Vats you, know he's just

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Speaker 2: all Like Rocky horror And Flash Gordon hello To.

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Speaker 3: Beef, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: He has a he has a certain amount Of Christopher

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Speaker 2: yeah so very handsome chap and it's he apparently got his.

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Speaker 2: Start his first film role of note was playing one

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Speaker 2: show two in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: Seven that's. It that's WHERE i know him. From he's

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Speaker 3: Shorty, now While rocky Had Burgess meredith to like train

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Speaker 2: Work if anyone out there ever Watched Dark Wing, duck

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Speaker 2: Like it's Like RoboCop If RoboCop were a duck and

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Speaker 2: Somewhere, yep he Was Gizmo. Duck, also this is going

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Speaker 3: Well Wasn't babylon? FIVE i never watched? It but wasn't

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Speaker 3: it a show about a space station popular by all

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Speaker 3: kinds of? Aliens?

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Speaker 2: YEAH i never watched it, religiously like enough to actually

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Speaker 2: Good you know, again it's not requiring a lot of.

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Speaker 2: everett one Of kohagan's goons in the Original Total Recall Oh.

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Speaker 2: Wow and most, notably he played the Sinister cardassian Gold.

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Speaker 2: Ducket is that my saying that? RIGHT i haven't Watched

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Speaker 2: Deep space nine in a long. Time was That?

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Speaker 3: GOLD i don't? Know or is It?

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Speaker 2: Deep space, nine he was like the Villainous cardassian that

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Speaker 3: Arena he plays like this weird Debonair space vampire Sugar,

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Speaker 3: daddy who's kind of Like Jason isaacs a little bit

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Speaker 3: in vampire mode without that Deep Jason isaac's. Voice.

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Speaker 3: Neck oh that's. FUNNY i didn't notice the neck as,

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Speaker 2: Yes so, yeah he makes for a fun lead villain

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Speaker 3: Weasel weasel is. Great weasel was the highlight of the. Movie,

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Speaker 3: WELL i don't, know there are a lot of. Highlights

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Speaker 3: Creature he was a human rat, creature, like he's kind

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Speaker 2: Deep space nine he played The Ferangi. Quark, hmmm so

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Speaker 2: was the principal principal snyder On buffy the Vampire. Slayer oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: Well AND i also read that he's A shakespearean scholar

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Speaker 2: by the name Of Michael scott About John dee Titled

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Speaker 2: The Merchant prince that also seems to feature aliens and time.

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Speaker 2: Travel oh kidok so you know that sounds. Fun we

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Speaker 2: mentioned The Last Human champion who is not a thousand years,

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Speaker 2: This he's just kind of a now he's just a

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Speaker 2: Nine's attack of The Giant, leeches which is a film

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Speaker 2: That had memorable trash bag, monsters AS i, recall like

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Speaker 2: very grimy looking pictures that kind of felt, weird it

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Speaker 3: Grimy was this one of the ones that was just

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Speaker 2: It was of similar. Quality, yes all, Right up, Next

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Speaker 2: Frank welker to creature voices in, this AND i suspect

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Speaker 2: But i'm not. SURE i think he does the voice

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Speaker 2: of our lead boxing Villain, horn who's kind of like

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Speaker 2: a cyber. Minotaur But Frank welker is a name that

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Speaker 2: where a film will be familiar. With welker is. Everywhere

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Speaker 2: he's voiced. Everything he may even be voicing you right

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Speaker 3: Show there are a lot of good growling alien voices in,

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Speaker 2: Breakdown all, Right, so as we discussed, before the executive

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Speaker 2: Richard band did the music and then you, know so

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Speaker 2: it's a band picture for. Sure Under Empire. Pictures imprint

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Speaker 2: came out the same year As Robot. Jocks oh, yeah but,

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Speaker 2: again the look of this FILM i think is really.

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Speaker 2: Notable Kathy clark did the costume. Design she's the one

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Speaker 2: who also gave us all of those wonderful jumpsuits and

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Speaker 2: produced films as, well Like Metal storm And Terror. Vision

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Speaker 2: SO i feel like there's a, futuristic fun look to

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Speaker 2: like high, budget but it also never looks, cheap you,

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Speaker 3: Anything there is a difference between good cheap special effects

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Speaker 3: and bad cheap set. Design these are the good cheap

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Speaker 2: Yeah so in terms of the various special effects people

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Speaker 2: one of the most remarkable things about this film is

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Speaker 2: like all the aliens look so. Good so like Even

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Speaker 2: horn is physically played by this Guy Mike, deek who

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Speaker 2: is who is a special effects guy that's worked on

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Speaker 2: a ton of films and occasionally plays. Creatures there's some

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Speaker 2: did special, effects makeup or makeup on such films As,

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00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: Reanimator friday The Thirteenth part.

433
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: Seven he actually Directed friday The Thirteenth part. Seven oh did?

434
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: He?

435
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: WOW i didn't realize. That, okay, well, yeah, okay even

436
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: more reason to celebrate his. Name he worked on Various

437
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: corman And band pictures as.

438
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 3: Well Friday Thirteenth part seven is another movie that IS

439
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: i don't think anyone could make the argument that it's

440
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: a good. Movie you probably couldn't argue that about any

441
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: of The friday, movies but it has wonderful special, effects

442
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: some of the best of the.

443
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Series that's the one with The Psychic girl Versus, jason, right, yes, okay,

444
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: SEE i feel like instantly that's the one you can,

445
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: see like how many of The jason films can you really?

446
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: Signify like there's the one where he's in, space there's

447
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: the one where he's In New, york and there's the

448
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: one where he Fights Psychic, girl.

449
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: Right, yeah the in reverse order that's, seven eight and.

450
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: Ten, okay, YEAH i mean aside from, that you can, say,

451
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: okay there's one where he Fights, freddy and then there's one.

452
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Where he there's one where it's Not.

453
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: Jason, yeah and then there's the one where he they

454
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: say he goes to, hell but does he actually go

455
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: to hell in that?

456
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: One that's.

457
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: Unclear, okay let's see other people have. Noted Alan monroe

458
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: is credited as Additional Designer Colon, creature and he's a

459
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: guy who worked on films Like, Beetlejuice men In, Black Near,

460
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: dark just to name a. Few David stipes was visual

461
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 2: effects supervisor and he worked On Star Trek Deep space,

462
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: Nine Star trek The Next, generation And Star Trek.

463
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: Voyager, okay so we're hitting some familiar nodes over and.

464
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 3: Over this seems like this may have been a sort

465
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: of network recruitment effect.

466
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: Here, yeah it really has an embarrassment of riches from

467
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: the on the special effects. Side because also you've got

468
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: The Screaming Mad george crew in on this one as.

469
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: Well SO i don't know if everyone out there is

470
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 2: familiar With Screaming Mad, george but they're A japanese born

471
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: special effects makeup flesh wizard who seems to have had

472
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: their hands or claws in a ton of wonderfully fleshy

473
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: special effects, films including but not limited, To nightmare On

474
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: Eils Street part three and, Four, Society, Free Big trouble

475
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: In Little, China, Wow, predator and then he also directed

476
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: a film Titled The Guy, ver which is kind of

477
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: This japanese flesh superhero suit picture that also Has Mark

478
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: hamill in. It it's a weird.

479
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: One.

480
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: Uh he also worked On Necronomicon book of The.

481
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: Dead, oh is that the one THAT i Was i've

482
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: been trying to find a copy of but it's out

483
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: of print like, you or maybe it was never in

484
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: print in a in the appropriate.

485
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: Region, yeah we've asked around about that, one and, yeah

486
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: it's like what you can get it On GREEK dvd

487
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: or something like something like. That so, Anyway Screaming Mad,

488
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: GEORGE i feel like his his work always stands out to,

489
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: me even IF i even If i'm not sure he's

490
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: involved in the, PICTURE i CAN i can sense his

491
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: presence because there's this this sense of the stuff that he.

492
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: Creates they just feel it feels really, alive you, know

493
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: with with synthetic. Flesh synthetic. Flesh, okay and one last

494
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: weird connection on this, One Victor georzanski was the first

495
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: assistant director on this, film and he was also the

496
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: first assistant director on the nineteen eighty six adaptation of

497
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: The name of The.

498
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: Rose.

499
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: Wow probably meaningless connection, there but ONE i had to latch.

500
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: Onto, Nonetheless, WOW i really did not expect so many

501
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: solid connections to well known works from this space boxing.

502
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: Movie, yeah especially all Those Star trek. Connections it's basically

503
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: like latched to The it should be just a part

504
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: of The Star trek, CANNON i think at this point.

505
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah like The enterprise just arrives, there they come,

506
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: in they have to sort out a boxing commission dispute

507
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: there without violating the prime. Directive, well, anyway are you

508
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: ready to get into the full plot? Breakdown let's do, It,

509
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: Okay so it starts with the opening. Credits you just

510
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: kind of panning around in space watching the satellite Of

511
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: love roll by these rocky planetoids that look very much

512
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: like the models In Mystery Science. Theater and then suddenly

513
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: we cut to inside this space station and there's a.

514
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: Fight it's this sort of boxing match in front of

515
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: hundreds of cheering, fans and it's between this this gross

516
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: veiny alien goat man with horns who looks a little

517
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: Bit Freddy krueger, Ish so Think Freddy krueger goat. Horns,

518
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: yeah that whole. Thing the other, FIGHTER i think is

519
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: even more difficult to. Describe he's some kind of alien

520
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: lizard man wearing a giant spherical casing like a big

521
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: garbage can lid around his upper, body and he's got

522
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: these flailing robot, arms so he's not a. Robot there

523
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: is supposed to be some kind of organic alien inside

524
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: it who maybe doesn't have. Arms i'm not, sure because

525
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: the arms are just the robot arms that are on

526
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: the outside of his. Suit but then those arms are

527
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: not doing, anything so the way the fight goes is

528
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: his robot arms are just literally just flopping around while

529
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: the goat man wails on him. Mercilessly and we learn

530
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: that these fighters are Named horn And. Spinner so the

531
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: scary goat man Is horn and the robot lizard thing

532
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: with the flailing arms Is. Spinner and we notice that

533
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: each fighter has a colored spotlight shining on. Them one

534
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: is red and one is, blue and we get an

535
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: explanation of how that works in a, bit BUT i

536
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: still never really fully understand. It they say there's like

537
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: a voiceover that, says in order to balance strength between,

538
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: species the arena uses The saiko three thousand handicapping. System

539
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: the handicappers decrease the fighter's, strength and so they, EXPLAIN

540
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: i think it's that these spotlights somehow make stronger fighters

541
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: weaker until they're. Equal does that sound? Right?

542
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Yes, okay that is the SENSE i got from, it

543
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: and it's Something i'll come back to towards the end

544
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: of the program here to. Discuss but, YEAH i think

545
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: the idea is you have different species that are going

546
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: to be, naturally you, know better at. Fighting it's kind of,

547
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: like if you have we're gonna have a boxing match

548
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: between a human being and A bengal. Tiger, yeah you,

549
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: know this system would it would make it to where

550
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: The bengal tiger and a weaponless human could at least

551
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: have some level of competitive, match assuming the training was in.

552
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: Place, okay. Cool and then so we see the fight play.

553
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: Out horn is just beating On spinner and Then horn

554
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: eventually wins the surround by Knocking spinner out of the.

555
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: Ring so it seems like maybe there's some kind of

556
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: sumo rules in.

557
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: Play, yeah there's a sense of sumo and then it's

558
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: a you, know ultimately about knocking the opponent out of.

559
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: Bounce, yeah but, AGAIN i just you, KNOW i said this,

560
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 3: earlier but it is so wonder. Like the crowd is

561
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: just this corni ucopia of bizarre. Creatures It's Star wars

562
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: canteena scene but multiplied times. Fifty, yeah and then we

563
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: immediately meet Rogue or And. Weasel so, Again rogue Wor

564
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: or is the the the Debonair space vampire. GUY i,

565
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: MEAN i don't think he's supposed to be a, vampire

566
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: BUT i say that because he's got the hair and

567
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: the face of a guy who gets cast as one

568
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: of these smooth vampires in a movie like in like

569
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: The twilight series or SOMETHING.

570
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: I could never understand stand in this film of his

571
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: face is supposed to be like if they painted, it

572
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: or he's supposed to be, greasy like physically. Greasy, well

573
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: he's very. Shiny, yeah, yeah he's a very shiny, character

574
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: but NOT i mean not so much that it's completely

575
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: clear that he's supposed to be some sort of humanoid

576
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: alien or.

577
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: Not, Yeah i'm not quite sure about Rogue, or but

578
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: definitely The weasel who we see screwing around in the.

579
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: Crowd he like drops a firecracker on somebody who's selling

580
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: popcorn or. Something, yeah And Weasel weasel's just a his you,

581
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: know it's a very nominative, Determinism like he's a weaseley.

582
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 3: Guy he has a rat like, face and he's always

583
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: up to no. Good and then we see Weasel weasel

584
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: sort of the enforcer for Rog. Or he's sort of his.

585
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: Fixer he does his dirty. Business and at Rogue ors say,

586
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: So weasel goes down and we see him Give horn

587
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: an injection of something in between. Rounds IT'S i think

588
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: suggesting that they're giving him some kind of illegal performance enhancing.

589
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: Drug you, know they're shooting him up with VITAMIN. R

590
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: and then that Makes horn into a super beast and

591
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: he just freaks out and runs in there and busts

592
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: Up spinner really. Bad.

593
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah and not only is he a monster against some

594
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: sort of Like Freddy krueger, minotaur but he's also at

595
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: least half, machine you, know heavily cybernetically, enhanced and he's

596
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: also on some sort of space.

597
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: Steroid, Right and then meanwhile we cut away to a

598
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: different place where we're in a space station diner where

599
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: the Young Steve, armstrong our hero, again the guy who

600
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: looks like a fruit of the loom underwear. Model you

601
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: would see him in a catalog in the nineties showing

602
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: off his, glutes and he is working as some kind

603
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: of short order cook in this space diner where everybody's

604
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 3: watching The arena fight ON. Tv and he's watching it

605
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: longingly because you, know it's obvious from the beginning that

606
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: he wants to be in. There he wishes it was

607
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: him beating up On. Spinner BUT i have to, Say

608
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: Steve armstrong does not look like a short order. Cook

609
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: he's like too tall to operate the cooking apparatus in

610
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: front of.

611
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: Him. Yeah, yeah he's a very tall. Guy like, again

612
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: he's like six' four and when he's, up there when

613
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: he's in there Next, to shorty he just looks like an. Absolute.

614
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: Giant Yeah so steve and His buddy shorty are both

615
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: working in the diner and they're clearly they're overworked and overwhelmed.

616
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: The customers they're too many customers and, they're Unruly and

617
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: steve is trying. To cook it looks like he's trying

618
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: to cook over and, open fire which is kind of

619
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: strange that would be happening inside a, space Station and

620
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: shorty is at the counter dealing with, unruly customers and

621
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: they sort of steal a joke From The Star Wars.

622
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: Holiday special, You know shorty trying to get, everything done but,

623
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: HE'S like i have only got.

624
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: Four hands it's one of a few different places in

625
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: this MOVIE where i thought Of The, holiday SPECIAL though

626
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: i think in every case it does a better job

627
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: Than The. Holiday special but, of course how could it

628
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: do anything, but?

629
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: Right, Right yeah, but anyway somehow a fight breaks out in,

630
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: the diner And then steve has to throw down to

631
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: defend His, buddy shorty and he ends up kicking this

632
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: fish head type alien through a bunch of, plate glass

633
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: And immediately Steve and shorty are informed via like a

634
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: voiceover that comes on IN the pa system that they are.

635
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: Both fired they are TERMINATED for i, DON'T know i

636
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: guess for getting into a fight at, the diner and

637
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: so they both lose, their jobs and they walk out of,

638
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: the diner apparently leaving it, completely unstaffed and this fishhead

639
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: guy's lying in a bunch, of GLASS and i have

640
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: to point out here there WAS already i mentioned one

641
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: Of the. Shorty Puns but i've only got four. Hands,

642
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: HERE actually i don't know if that's. A pun Sorry

643
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: if i'm using the. Words wrong all the, Corny jokes

644
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: and the next one comes In where shorty he's bringing

645
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 3: him rapid fire and one of the things he says

646
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 3: is were you? Cloned yesterday but that makes me wonder

647
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: is there a background in this movie where, in fact

648
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: no one is quote, born anymore but everyone? Is cloned

649
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: and also what is what is? The distinction because aren't

650
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: cloned creatures? Still, BORN yeah i.

651
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: Don't know it's just how they it's just how they

652
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: talk in the future at, this point, because yeah. They

653
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: don't they don't get into really any world building in. This,

654
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: on uh, you know aside from just the. Purely visual

655
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: what you see is what. You get the movie's not

656
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: going to really hold your hand and explain anything aside

657
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: from just basically how the.

658
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: Fight, works no it's not going To robot jock's lengths

659
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: to sort of show show you the. Whole, situation yeah, but,

660
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: anyway so now being out of, The job steve is

661
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: broke and he gets kicked out of his apartment and

662
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: so he has to shack Up with shorty and and

663
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: it turns out AT first i, thought this they like

664
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: open this weird door in, a HALLWAY and i thought

665
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: that they were Going into, shorty's HOUSE so i thought

666
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: the implication Was that shorty lives in this dank. Access tunnel,

667
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: but no it turns out they just have to go

668
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 3: through this dank access tunnel to get to a place

669
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: known As, the tubes WHICH is i think it is

670
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: like the poor part of the. Space station it's where

671
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 3: the non rich, inhabitants live and it's kind of. Blade

672
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: runnery it's just there's like steam and fog everywhere and

673
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: a bunch of people just hanging around on what would

674
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: be the equivalent of the streets inside the. Space station,

675
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: and anyway while, they're walking we find Out that steve

676
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: used to be a fighter in what's known as the,

677
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 3: human circuit and that he came to the space station

678
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: hoping that he could fight in. The arena but they

679
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: lament that there's just no room for human. Fighters now

680
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 3: it's all. Cyborg aliens that's the only thing anybody's, interested

681
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: in and it's widely known that no human could ever be. A, contender.

682
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: Again YEAH and i mean more, than, that like how

683
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: entertaining is it to watch humans battle humans if you've

684
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: got these other creatures to, Watch, INSTEAD like, i mean

685
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: would you watch two humans battle if you could watch

686
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: like a space scorpion and a sea blob battle?

687
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: Each, other, No, EXACTLY no i want To see Chewbacca

688
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: versus job Of, the hut not human. Versus human so

689
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: they Get to, shorty's apartment they spend. The night the,

690
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: Next morning shorty's in the middle of cooking something that looks.

691
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: Really revolting it's just this like, beige slime and they

692
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: talk about how eggs are an expensive. Luxury ITEM so i,

693
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: DON'T know i guess that's sort of oblique. World building

694
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: and then there's a knock at the Door and steve.

695
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: Answers it these two goons are standing there and one

696
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: of them just punches him right in, the face which.

697
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: Is great these two goons. Bust in They beat. Steve

698
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: up the fight moves out into the streets again of,

699
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: the tubes and a big fight, scene ensues.

700
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: And Of course steve wins, this encounter and we shortly

701
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: found find out that these are the goons of another.

702
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Boxing promoter These are, quinn's, Goons.

703
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: Right So claudia Christian playing quinn shows up and we

704
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: find out that the fishhead Guy that steve beat up

705
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: in the diner was actually an arena fighter, elite level

706
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: and the guys there to Beat. UP steve i guess

707
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: could you figure? This out were they supposed to be

708
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: giving him some sort of Tryout at, quinn's prompting or

709
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: were they just out to get revenge for him beating

710
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: up one of.

711
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: THEIR guys i think it was just. Straight justice that WAS.

712
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: What i got out. Of it but, either Way once quinn,

713
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: shows up she's clearly interested In getting steve into. The

714
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: arena she wants him on. Her Team, but steve at

715
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: first he refuses. The call, you know he will not

716
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: heed the call. To adventure steve just wants a ticket Back,

717
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: to earth but unfortunately he can't. Afford it so then

718
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: there is a great Scene where Steve and shorty have

719
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: to get some money To get steve a ticket Back.

720
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: To earth so they end up going to a Casino

721
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: because shorty has a guaranteed system to win the. Big

722
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: BUCKS and i gotta say about one of my favorite

723
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: things about this whole casino scene is that they Got

724
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: to it's like, a speakeasy so they got to say

725
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: the password to get in through the. Secret door, you

726
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: know they open up the little slot in, the DOOR

727
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: and i love the alien who's operating. The door the Password,

728
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: is swordfish and the alien who's operating the door has

729
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: THESE massive i don't know how this like tusk trunk

730
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 3: apparatus coming Way to it's got like a two foot. Long.

731
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Chin, yes, yeah again the awesome alien designs and alien

732
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: makeup effects are just in every corner of.

733
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: The, film Yeah but shorty's got a guaranteed system to

734
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: win the. Big bucks that's some kind of alien, gambling

735
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: thing and it doesn't go. SO well i. Don't know

736
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: do you have general thoughts about this. ALIEN casino i

737
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: really loved, the SCENE and i have TO say i

738
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: am Not A last. JEDI hater i Enjoyed The, last

739
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: JEDI but i was not a huge fan of its casino.

740
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: See quins this this casino sequence is The better.

741
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: Alien casino, OH well I MEAN i i don't remember

742
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: the casino Sequence And last jedi, as much which maybe

743
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: that that says something, About IT but, i don't, YOU

744
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: know i certainly don't remember. DISLIKING it i liked. This one,

745
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: BUT again i just saw this film the, other day,

746
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: so yeah it's it's. Really good it also has like

747
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: a dancing, hologram lady which is another point in the

748
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: film that reminded me directly Of The Star Wars. Holiday special, oh,

749
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: right yes but again it's another scene that's just a

750
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: feast for. The eyes there's all sorts of crazy stuff,

751
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: going on lots of cool.

752
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: Looking aliens, WELL wait i don't know is the DANCE

753
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: if i might, be forgetting is the dancing hologram lady

754
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: in the casino itself or is she only in the

755
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: bar they go. To afterwards maybe she's in the Bar, after,

756
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: okay no we'll get to that in just. A, second

757
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: no first we got to, mention that can you explain

758
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: the plot here? To me for, some reason violence breaks

759
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: out in, the CASINO and I don't i didn't understand.

760
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 3: Understand WHY maybe i should have gone back and watched.

761
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: It again But suddenly weasel's there and people are shooting

762
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: lasers at, each OTHER and i didn't know who was

763
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: shooting at who. Or why there's. Some alien there's like

764
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: this alien with an, aluminum head this like reflective silver METAL.

765
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: Had i think those are. The, robocops okay that's, the

766
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: thing is the cop. Showed up they busted up, the

767
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: joint and so in, The chaos shorty just grab, some money, Right.

768
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 3: Right, okay yes, All right so they grab the Money

769
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 3: and Shorty and steve get out, of there and then

770
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: they go to, a bar and this is where The hologram.

771
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: Lady happens so IN my i wonder to what extent

772
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: this was because of the degraded audio and the VERSION

773
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: that i watched her if it's like, This Naturally but

774
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: Steve and shorty sit at a bar and they watched,

775
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: this singing dancing green, hologram lady and the music that

776
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: she is singing over is. Audio horror it just it's

777
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: like the one of the Worst sounds i've. Ever heard

778
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: it's the sound of a k hole spiral around the

779
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: thought of what it's like to.

780
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: Be, dead yes this was kind OF what i got

781
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: out OF the dvd copy of the film, as WELL

782
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: because i think it's an incident of SOMETHING that, I don't,

783
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: I can't i don't. Like it it's not like this

784
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: IS something i enjoy, listening TO but i enjoy encountering it,

785
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: in films and that is when somebody was clearly called

786
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: upon to create, futuristic music which is a, unique challenge

787
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: like what do? You do how Do you you're going

788
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: to try and create something that we don't, have now

789
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: that maybe we wouldn't like now but we would like in.

790
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: The future and so a lot of times that in

791
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: like sometimes they'll just create something that's maybe, you know

792
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: tying into current trends and fringe trends that, are emerging,

793
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: you know like if it's some sort of a, cyberpunk

794
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: film like they'll suddenly there'll be a bunch of like

795
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: reggae and you'll, be, like okay, you know, all right

796
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: it's some sort of reggae or maybe they've taken some dub,

797
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: or something or it's whatever is popular and. New now

798
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: but other times they do THIS which i, don't know

799
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: is kind of like it's sort of, space jazzy but

800
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel it doesn't feel like this could

801
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: possibly be the music of. The future but you understand

802
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: what they were trying. To do it's a, like again

803
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: it's a It's a i'm sure it's a fascinating musical

804
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: exercise to engage on.

805
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: Well what for whatever it was supposed. To be it

806
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: was like one of the most Awful sounds i've. Ever,

807
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: heard yeah and just this, Horrible dissonance and everybody's sitting

808
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: at the bar is clearly just. Watching enraptured they're watching

809
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: this hologram lady and, they're like she's. So amazing there's

810
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: this admiral acbar looking dude whose eyes are swiveling around

811
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 3: like fan blades and he's sticking his. Tongue, out yes.

812
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: That's one of the. Great things like just little moments

813
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: like this, have extravagant extravagant special effects with the makeup in,

814
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: That towe like it's not just that there's an alien, Watching, this,

815
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: like no he's like every orifice of his face is

816
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: involved in.

817
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: The situation in. THIS scene i also really like there's

818
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: a guy in. The background you don't see, him much

819
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: but he's sort of in the back whose head just

820
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: looks like a huge gray clay pot and his eyes

821
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: are just holes in.

822
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: The pot now have We met skull yet at this

823
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: point or does he show?

824
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: Up? Later, OH yeah i think we've. Met skull Skull is,

825
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: oh gee how to. Describe skull skull looks like one

826
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: of the Deadites from army, of darkness but with.

827
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: Cybernetic, implants yeah he's he's like a cyborg brain augmentation

828
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: junkie who's also. A hacker, so yeah he looks. Absolutely

829
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: HORRIFYING and, i say HE but i. DON'T know i

830
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: know that the actor who played them is, a HEAT

831
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: but i have no Idea if skull is supposed to

832
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: be male. Or female AND first i kind of thought

833
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: maybe this, is like This is, weasel's partner they're life partners,

834
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: or SOMETHING and i don't think that's. THE case i

835
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: think they just. Work, together okay but, But yeah skull

836
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: is horrendous looking and is part of the whole criminal.

837
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: Enterprise here, so Yeah so weasel is on the scene in.

838
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: The bar weasel shows up and pulls a Gun On

839
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: steven shorty and takes them back To rogue or for

840
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: some classic. Villain intimidation the rogu, wars like you owe.

841
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: Me money steve needs to get money to Pay rogu war.

842
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: Back for what does he need to pay him? Back

843
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: for did they steal money from? His? Casino, is yes.

844
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: So That Was rogu wor's money that they stole from

845
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: the busted, up casino Which then shorty used to Buy the.

846
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: Earth ticket, so yeah So when roguar like brings, him in,

847
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: HE'S like i want my. Money back you stole it.

848
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: From me and, HE'S like i have, the ticket and then,

849
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: he's like this isn't even this doesn't cover the cost

850
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: of what. YOU stole i want the. Actual money so.

851
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: They hold shorty hostage while they Wait for steve to

852
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: go get the money to. Pay back and there's a

853
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: great little scene in THERE where i guess the hours are,

854
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: going by and then you See that Shorty and weasel

855
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: are both are playing cards with, each OTHER and i

856
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: think maybe they're both trying. To, cheat yeah but Of

857
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: course steve comes back and he gets, the money he Bails.

858
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 3: Out shorty and where did he get, The, money well

859
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: it's an advance because he Went to quinn and he

860
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: promised to ox aliens for, Her.

861
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 2: Right and so now this is basically the. Whole setup

862
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: how are we gonna get this guy in the ring? Fighting,

863
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: aliens well now, we're, Here.

864
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: Right and now now the movie is just kicked into.

865
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: Full gear it's in arena mode until. The end SO

866
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: and i would say maybe the highlight of the whole

867
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: movie for Me was steve's, first fight which is where

868
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: he fights a giant dinosaur slug like it's a it's

869
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: a slug with Sort of tyrannosaurus rex head and little t,

870
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: rex arms but with giant grasshopper legs And A freddy.

871
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: Krueger, face yeah this creature's name is sloth and it.

872
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: Is incredible it's just An incredible like they were so

873
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: ambitious in creating and bringing this character to life, on

874
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: SCREEN and i feel like they really pulled. It OFF

875
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: like i totally bought this as an. Organic creature it's

876
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: just it's splendid.

877
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: To, Behold YEAH and i, don't know it's it's absurd

878
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: like watching them Fight because steve is throwing punches, at it. You,

879
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: know yeah it's like this job of the hut grasshopper

880
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: is like twenty times bigger. Than him but he does.

881
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: EVENTUALLY win i think he figured he does some kind

882
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: of special. Little tactic he targets its nerve or something.

883
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: What day like punches it in a nerve on. ITS

884
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: side I think shorty's like, telling, him like go for

885
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: the go for the, sensory nerve go for the, sensory

886
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: nerve and so he does.

887
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: Yep bum rock. Yep bum but it's Victory. For Steve

888
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: so steve wins this first, big fight and, it's fame,

889
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: it's glory. It's money he's instantly. A celebrity the audience eats,

890
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: it up and then everything's Coming Up steve armstrong and

891
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: then like that NIGHT he's i think it's supposed to be,

892
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: that night he's like at a. Swanky club so he

893
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: goes from, you know sleeping on couches in, the tubes

894
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: to being at a swanky.

895
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Club, overnight yeah it's, AND really i guess this is

896
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: kind of a typical structure for some sort of a

897
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: boxing or, competition, film right because, what's important first, big

898
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: match and then you kind of montage all the, middle

899
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: stuff and then it's going to be the last, big

900
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: match like the. Championship, match yes, exactly so but there's

901
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: a there's a FUNNY part i thought when Step and

902
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: quinn are talking after his first.

903
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: Big victory so they're out at the. Swanky club they're

904
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: in a booth and she starts telling this story about

905
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: how her father used to run a stable of fighters in.

906
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: The arena but that was back when it was a,

907
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: real sport before rogue or turned it into. A business,

908
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: she says this, with contempt and it's this odd nostalgia

909
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: for the early days of this brutal. GLADIATORIAL institution i,

910
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: DON'T know i don't really. Get it but the message

911
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 3: is that the arena could be, a beautiful, noble thing

912
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: but under rogue or it's all about.

913
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: That cash what if this competition used to settle intergalactic

914
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: turmoil and then it just got too commercial, For everybody

915
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: like we'll just do it for entertainment and we'll just

916
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: have actual wars that would.

917
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: Make sense he used to be champion warfare like, robot

918
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: chocks but now or like in the, short story, but

919
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: yeah now it's just all about rogue or raking in the.

920
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: Big bucks and so, She said, Quinn says i'm just

921
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: trying to keep my dad's. Dream alive so we find Out,

922
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: that Horn remember horn from, The beginning he is Still

923
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: rogu or's, top fighter and he comes Up to Steve

924
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: and quinn in the club and menaces them in. Some

925
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: ways BUT again i could not understand anything he. Was,

926
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: SAYING occasionally i picked out the word HUMAN that i

927
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: assume he was using as a pejorative And horn horn

928
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 3: also says his own name. A.

929
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: LOT yeah i think this Is A frank, welker voice

930
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: and he could have just been saying anything and you

931
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: would know what. He's saying like he's just saying he's

932
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: great human suck and he's going To beat armstrong in

933
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: the next.

934
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 3: BIG match i must break HIM or i must. Break

935
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: you but it's Like gore. O voice yeah so, yeah

936
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: here but here we go into. Montage mode we're just

937
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: sort of like quickly Montaging through steve beating a bunch

938
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: of different. Aliens up it's like the musical Scene In

939
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: raging bull with the slow, motion FIGHTS and i think

940
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: at one point it does a split screen it like

941
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: shows you four different fights at the.

942
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: Same, time yeah he's just working his way up, the

943
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: ranks fighting. Various aliens but then eventually the commissioner of

944
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: the Arena forces rogor To give steve a chance To

945
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: fight horn for, the Title and rogor is not happy

946
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: about this because it's, His, fighter HORN who i don't

947
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: know why he DOESN'T want, I mean horn should be,

948
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: fighting people right if he's, the, champion right and if

949
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: this other, guy's popular you think, like that it sounds

950
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: like a big. Money match shouldn't everybody want? That match,

951
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: but again you just kind of roll.

952
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: WITH it i guess it doesn't make a lot, of

953
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: sense and it Seems like rogor should be. With this,

954
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: But anyway Rogue or Weasel and skull plan to cheat

955
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: by hacking into the. HANDICAPPING system i remember the red

956
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: and blue Spotlights The sea core, three THOUSAND and i

957
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: really don't fully understand how those are supposed, to work

958
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: but they're supposed to make the. Fight fair and, they're

959
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: like we're gonna hack it to make.

960
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: It, Unfair well Weasel and skull, are like we can,

961
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: do this we can hack, into it and And rogu war, IS,

962
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 2: like a, that's IMPOSSIBLE AND b i have another plan.

963
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: That'll work oh.

964
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: That's, Right yeah rogue, wors like no one has ever

965
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: Hacked the. Sekor, Before uh but they're they're going to

966
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: figure it out Because because skull's got like a computer

967
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: in uh in his or.

968
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: Her, brain, yeah Yeah they're they're, like again they're They're

969
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: gonna they're all hopped up on the AUGMENTS and i

970
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: think they can take it.

971
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 3: Down. Right uh in, the meantime there's also a great

972
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: training Scene where steve fights this giant. Ripped armadillo he

973
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: wasn't in the. MOVIE much i think it was just.

974
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: The SCENE but i really Like. THIS armadillo i wanted

975
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: him to be more of.

976
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: A character i think he was supposed to be like a.

977
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: Stable mate so they're just training together because afterwards, they're,

978
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: like hey, you know pretty good, in, There kid you doing? All?

979
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: Right yeah, but yeah Just imagine armadillo with like. Giant.

980
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: Muscles yeah but then there's there's this Part where steve

981
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: has a romance with this lady who Works. For roguar

982
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: now here's A question i wasn't sure about the. Answer

983
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: to this woman is somebody who comes And, meets Steve

984
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: and steve is clearly very interested. In her are we

985
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: to understand that she was the woman singing in the?

986
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: HOLOGRAM earlier i think she was.

987
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: SINGING earlier i can't remember if she's the hologram woman

988
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: or she was on stage, and okay she was a

989
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: performer earlier. For, sure okay but but she is also

990
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: will find it she's also With. Rogu or She's rogu,

991
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: or's vixen.

992
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: Right and she so she has a brief Romance, with

993
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: steve but she tries to do. Something devious she tries

994
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: To get steve to. Drink something it's a it's a

995
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: toast to the, new championship and obviously it is the

996
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: opposite of the vibe an r that They're. GIVING horn

997
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: i don't know what's supposed to be in, the drink

998
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: but it's it's something That makes.

999
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: Steve, weak yeah the long and short of it is

1000
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 2: she seduces him and, poisons Him and steve just, never

1001
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: think he never even second guesses any of his, Choices

1002
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: here like this just seems like the thing to do

1003
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: when everybody watching it knows exactly what's going, to happen

1004
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: like that that woman is going to, Poison. You steve

1005
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: that's clearly what's going.

1006
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: To, happen yeah she like comes over with these two

1007
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: glasses and he's just, like yep down.

1008
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: The hatch but it's implied that she, doesn't well she

1009
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: doesn't poison. Him enough perhaps That's what rogoran is Accusing

1010
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: Of VIX and i, was like you clearly didn't give him,

1011
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: enough poison because he does not.

1012
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: Die right so he gets to a doctor in time

1013
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: and he's able. To fight so it's the morning of

1014
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: the big Fight between Steve, and horn and the doctors

1015
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: get him in. Shipshape again and so they start, the

1016
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: fight and at first it, seems like, you know it's

1017
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: just an. Even fight they're. Trading blows steve's. Doing good

1018
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: but then of course there is Meddling by Weesel. And

1019
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: skull they're up there hacking the handicapping system and it

1020
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 3: looks like they're, hacking WORKS so i guess they either

1021
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: turn it off or they meddle with it in such

1022
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: a way that it that It enhances. Horn's Power so

1023
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 3: horn really starts getting the upper hand in, the fight

1024
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: And then shorty has to go to. The rescue he

1025
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 3: like runs up into the catwalks above the fight where

1026
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: the computer system, is Housed And shorty shorty can slam

1027
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: like he Beats up weasel.

1028
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: Really, good yeah And then weasel does a nice fall

1029
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: to his death off.

1030
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: The top Oh and skull's head explodes for.

1031
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: Some reason, oh, yeah yeah it gets Too, much yeah

1032
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: while he's hacking and then has his. Skull explodes and

1033
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: that's pretty pretty nice.

1034
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: As well so the ending is. Quite predictable it is Victory.

1035
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 3: For steve Steve, defeats horn and it's very rocky for

1036
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: But Replace ivan drego with this horned goat beast and

1037
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: Replace The soviet union.

1038
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: With.

1039
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: Space, yeah again it's just a standard boxing trope plot.

1040
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: Line here. You know you could you can, well imagine

1041
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: like any other some other tropes they could have put,

1042
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: In there like they could easily have done a sequel

1043
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: perhaps where you have like An older steve and he's

1044
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: asked to take a dive in one last fight by

1045
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: the mob and refuses to. Do it that sort. Of

1046
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: thing it's that kind.

1047
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: Of.

1048
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 3: World yeah now there's been this boxing announcer who has

1049
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: has little moments throughout, the movie and the movie ends with,

1050
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: him talking, you know as the crowd is Cheering. For

1051
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: steve it ends with this announcer uttering this very. Bizarre statement,

1052
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: he says as long as There Are steve armstrong's out

1053
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: there in, the universe there will always. Be contenders something

1054
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: about the. Tenses there i'm not, quite sure but. That's.

1055
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: Arena yeah, so yeah it doesn't really. Mean much it

1056
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: doesn't really have a message, per se but it's just

1057
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: it's a it's a nice movie with just incredibly. Weird

1058
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 2: creatures it it's a creature fest for.

1059
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: The, eyes yes it's all about. The creatures that is

1060
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 3: the reason to watch this movie is.

1061
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: The creatures so ONE thing i wanted to talk about

1062
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: in reference to this film is just the idea, of

1063
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: having first, of all interspecies fights where you have creatures from,

1064
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: different species, you know the, different planets, different ecosystems fighting.

1065
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: Each other and again the idea, is, that yes some

1066
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: creatures are just going to be naturally stronger, than others

1067
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: naturally faster, than others and if you want to have

1068
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: fair competition take place between, the two you have to

1069
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: use this, handicapping system this dampening system that makes one of,

1070
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: the fighters like physically weaker so that they can have a.

1071
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: COMPETITIVE match i thought it was interesting that basically all

1072
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: of the difference between the species is conceptualized just in

1073
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: terms of a difference, in strength like just, muscle strength

1074
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 3: how hard can they throw, a punch and not like

1075
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: chemical differences like do they? Breathe oxygen do they have

1076
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: like different types of metabolism and, body speed or like

1077
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: heat and. Cold, tolerances no it's just everything. Breathes oxygen

1078
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: it's all basically like just weird different kinds, of creatures

1079
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: but with standard.

1080
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: Earth, chemistry yeah yeah. You have they don't get too complicated.

1081
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: With that it's just the other creatures, are yeah, physically

1082
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: stronger and in some cases they are cybernetically enhanced and

1083
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: also sometimes chemically enhanced, as well and we see all,

1084
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: of that of Course, with horn who's just all gnarled

1085
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: muscle and, cybernetic enhancements and of course bringing in the

1086
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: idea of, a bull you get the idea that he

1087
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 2: has like bull, Like strength so getting out of the

1088
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: like just purely fantastic side, of this we could say

1089
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: that this film deals with a lot of certainly non

1090
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: human boxing and interaction between our human hero and these

1091
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 2: various alien and, Cyborg fighters and in this actually touches

1092
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: on a topic of some, academic interest humanism. And. SPORTS

1093
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: huh i actually ran across a PhD thesis thesis that

1094
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: gets into this, regarding Boxing Specifically Gerard James brady's transhumanism

1095
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: And the transformation Of the Experience and spectacle In the

1096
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: Art of boxing from. Twenty, eighteen okay so is.

1097
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: The concept, here, that like how would sports be and

1098
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: be affected by people taking into their physical body sort

1099
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: of different types of technological upgrades that might make them

1100
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: stronger or faster.

1101
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: Or, whatever right what if one boxer in the future

1102
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: is cybernetically augmented or, chemically augmented. Genetically, augmented like what

1103
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: if you end up with one boxer Looking like horn

1104
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: and he's going in fighting an otherwise, human boxer like

1105
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: you would kind of you would. Create this you would

1106
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: be able to turn what we think of as like

1107
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: normal boxing into this. Alien spectacle and then what would?

1108
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: That mean so it's a it's a long paper that

1109
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: gets into a lot of the nuts and bolts, of

1110
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: this but, In it brady talks about the transhuman quote

1111
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: tipping point, in boxing which he describes as quote the

1112
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: point at which the athlete is unable to identify the

1113
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: actions and therefore the achievements, as his and also the

1114
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: point where the audience is unable to engage verritically with.

1115
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: The athletes so on the, first count the question is

1116
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: at what point is the individual just lost in this world,

1117
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: of cybernetic genetic and or. Chemical, enhancements horn, for instance

1118
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: seems to, be able seems to be at least half

1119
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: machine at this point he benefits from THESE vitamin. R

1120
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: injections so does the sport reach a Point where horn

1121
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: would no longer feel the victories as his? Own victories

1122
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: does the fight cease to feel like.

1123
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: A fight he does not, seem to at least in

1124
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: the context of. This movie he thinks those victories are.

1125
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 3: His victories he won't even he can't stop saying his.

1126
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: Own name he's so proud.

1127
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: Of, himself true he's seems really into. It, now interestingly

1128
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: this is a point IN the i think we can

1129
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 2: agree that the more thought Provoking Film robot jock does

1130
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: act ask. This point it does sort of raise his

1131
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: question at, some point, you know at what point is

1132
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: the human inside neither soldier nor pilot but a. Mere,

1133
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: Mechanic right, but again they don't really get into that in.

1134
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: This film but, But anyway brady argues that there's a point

1135
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: at which the athlete will lose interest in the sport

1136
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: if enough levers are pulled on changing who they are

1137
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: and what. They are and on the, other point the

1138
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: audience has to believe in it enough for it to feel. Like,

1139
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: REALITY now i think worked in semi worked sports and

1140
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: fights blur the line a, Bit here, but yeah you

1141
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: have to be able to believe in the sport you're,

1142
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: presented with or at least be able to suspend your

1143
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: own disbelief in order in order to.

1144
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: Watch, It, right, well yeah that's a. GOOD point i

1145
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: hadn't thought about. Work sports so you're talking about sports

1146
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: that would involve like an element of k fabe, or

1147
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: something is?

1148
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: That, right yeah some, some degree either it's partially worked

1149
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: or it's, entirely worked like.

1150
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: Professional, wrestling okay so in, professional wrestling is it is

1151
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: a staged theatrical performance that involves athleticism in. The theatricality

1152
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: but obviously people are still interested in, watching it like

1153
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: it's still fun, to watch and so the question is,

1154
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 3: That's funny like in, professional wrestling you can know that

1155
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 3: about it and still enjoy. Watching it but if people

1156
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: thought that supposedly real, boxing matches if they were to

1157
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: suddenly discover that it, were worked that seems like that

1158
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 3: would make people lose interest. In it, You, know.

1159
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: Well if you know, it's worked then every match has to,

1160
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: be entertaining.

1161
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 3: YOU know, i, mean yeah.

1162
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: THAT'S true i feel like there are certain demands that

1163
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: are made ON legitimate, i mean there are certain demands

1164
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: that are in place on. Work sports there aren't there

1165
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: as much on, legitimate sports, You know and THEY'RE like

1166
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: i remember seeing it, mentioned, that well when you have a.

1167
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: Shoot match when it's like not a, work match sometimes

1168
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: the wrong, person wins, you know like you can't orchestrate

1169
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: things to that degree if it's just a legitimate competition

1170
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: for the. Most part, But anyway brady ends up summarizing

1171
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: this idea of this tipping point, by saying in terms,

1172
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: of boxing my instinct is to say that, this point the,

1173
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 2: tipping point will be reached if and when the fighters

1174
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: lose their appearance of vulnerability and where it seems as

1175
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: though their struggle and determination to hear the sound of

1176
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: the final bell. IS removed i could.

1177
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: SEE that i mean a lot of the appeal, of

1178
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: sports especially a very personal sport like one on one

1179
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 3: boxing is a drama and a sort of like you're

1180
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: seeing not just a physical contest like who can throw a,

1181
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 3: stronger punch but it seems to be a contest of.

1182
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: Individual wills and if you reach a point where it

1183
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: doesn't you're not really seeing a personal in the fighter

1184
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: anymore come through in, their struggle then maybe the sport

1185
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: loses interest for a lot.

1186
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: Of, spectators YEAH and I think i think this point

1187
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: is really interesting when we think about arena here and

1188
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: perhaps this is an area where one might lean in

1189
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: and sort of to create explanations for what's happening in.

1190
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: The film But because, i'm thinking like that, dampening technology that,

1191
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: handicamping technology the blue and the red lights, in arena

1192
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: maybe they exist to ensure that the boxing is a

1193
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: struggle for even the naturally powerful or cybernetically, enhanced combatants,

1194
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: you know to keep it. A struggle so it seems

1195
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: like that it's not just about keeping it fair for

1196
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: all the, species involved but making sure that it is

1197
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: in fact a rewarding endeavor for both the fighters and,

1198
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: the audience.

1199
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: Because the audience want to see, a struggle like they

1200
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 3: don't want to see just like two machines that are

1201
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: sort of maxed out in their competence executing their functions

1202
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 3: appropriately until one of them can't do. It anymore they

1203
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 3: want to see, a, Drama.

1204
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: Right and so perhaps the dampening technology is there to

1205
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: insure drama and to ensure that that, both combatants or

1206
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: at least one, of them, is, vulnerable right because you

1207
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 2: don't want to just see meat machines like whaling on.

1208
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: Each other you want to see, this tension this drama

1209
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: of the. Boxing, MATCH yeah i.

1210
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: BUY that I mean i don't think about things like

1211
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 3: boxing a. Whole lot but that seems that seems like

1212
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: a reasonable read.

1213
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 2: To, ME yeah i know we have, SOME well i

1214
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: certainly know we have some combat enthusiasts, out There and

1215
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: i'm sure we have some boxers, as Well so i'd

1216
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: be interested to hear what any of you have. To,

1217
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: say again that Thesis is transhumanism And the transformation Of

1218
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: the Experience and spectacle In the Art of boxing from,

1219
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and it's available online if you look around.

1220
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: For, It rob should we wrap it? Up there i've

1221
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 3: really enjoyed Talking about.

1222
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: Arena, TODAY yeah i guess it's time to wrap. It

1223
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: up first, of all let's touch on where you get.

1224
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: THIS film i think a full version of this film

1225
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: has been up on YouTube for a number. Of years

1226
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 2: i'm not sure where you were able to, Watch, it

1227
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,760
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1228
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1229
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Speaker 2: want TO mention i looked for it for this film

1235
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: here but didn't. See it but we had a Listener Named.

1236
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1239
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: episode you mentioned that it was hard to find. On,

1240
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,400
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1241
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1242
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1248
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1249
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Speaker 2: STAY tuned I Think stay tuned Is if i'm, not

1250
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1251
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1252
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Speaker 2: stay tuned was one. Of, those also before we close,

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1266
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