Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast really support Josh Rosen. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast presented
Speaker 1: by Sirius XM. My name is Dan Hansis and I
Speaker 1: am joined in a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Gregg Rose withal What is up? Boys? Hey,
Speaker 1: danno up? By the way, Josh Rosen, can I just
Speaker 1: say and keep those Matt money drops coming? The chosen one,
Speaker 1: the Rosen one. It's not a good look. By the
Speaker 1: way that he's buried on this death drop behind Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's an actual rookie anymore. Go win
Speaker 1: a job against the thirty six year old Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: and training camp and it's already being set up by
Speaker 1: floors in Miami. I know we jumped into the fish
Speaker 1: tank real quick tonight, but it's being set up. Is
Speaker 1: this is like a done deal, like he's their backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's not a great look. I agree with you, it's
Speaker 1: not a great look. This should be an open and
Speaker 1: chuck case for Josh Rosen. If he's as good as
Speaker 1: everyone said he was coming out. He's a young man.
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Fitzpatrick was quoted this week saying, I
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with myself and my game right now
Speaker 1: than I ever have. And you know what, when it
Speaker 1: comes to I don't doubt it. I I think he's
Speaker 1: always felt comfortable with himself, but now he's just he
Speaker 1: loves his life, he loves being Ryan Fitzpatrick, and maybe
Speaker 1: it's showing up on the field. We shot something today
Speaker 1: with Neil Reynolds over at the nfl UK, our friend
Speaker 1: from Sky Sports, great man Neil, and I noticed in
Speaker 1: the studio lights a glistening off nicely manicured Greg Rosital beard.
Speaker 1: It's like, why is it glistening? So the product confirmed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: little beard oils in there, WHOA keeps it from getting
Speaker 1: you know, itchy and whatnot. So you have a special
Speaker 1: comb aim directly for your beard exclusively. I know I
Speaker 1: don't have any combs. Put the oil on your hand
Speaker 1: and then so they say, yeah, yeah, but if you're
Speaker 1: a good time buddies from tu Lane, so you probably
Speaker 1: spent some time behind bars with What would they think
Speaker 1: about this new trend towards your hipster identity. I mean
Speaker 1: I think they would embrace it. Really, It's I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's my wife does not embrace it. So
Speaker 1: I think it has a short shelf life and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be gone for the season. What was her complaint?
Speaker 1: We know, because she told you to go on a
Speaker 1: show and tell everybody that you wear the pants in
Speaker 1: the relationship, that you wear the pants in the relationship. Well,
Speaker 1: I've it's it's made it. You know, I've done it
Speaker 1: despite her wishes for months and months. But I feel like,
Speaker 1: what doesn't she like about it? Well, you know, mommy,
Speaker 1: coming back from you're like, when you're like that when
Speaker 1: you're playing tonsil hockey with your wife, that you got
Speaker 1: a promontory point for that one. All right, propatory point.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's just the great thing about
Speaker 1: this podcast is like their friends, even off the here,
Speaker 1: they'll be having this conversation downstairs. Listen to those bros
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Speaker 1: Pro Football's Most Informative Hour with your host Latn Dawson,
Speaker 1: Nick Boncani, and Chris Collins. Word yes. First of all,
Speaker 1: that's Harry callis yes from Philly, absolutely, who was the
Speaker 1: voiceover guy for HBO Films Forever h HBO Sports. And
Speaker 1: um yes, Nick Bonacani, who had an incredible playing career
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He was a member linebacker of the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two undefeated Dolphins. He was inducted into the
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. Played with both the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins and the Boston Patriots. He passed away at the
Speaker 1: age of seventy eight UM on Tuesday, and uh, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say in the reason I played that
Speaker 1: is I grew up. How I became an NFL fan
Speaker 1: really was you know, watching the Jets with my dad.
Speaker 1: But then also where I learned about the NFL was
Speaker 1: HBO and Inside the NFL and Bonocantti and Len Dawson
Speaker 1: and later Collinsworth. They were your guide to take you
Speaker 1: through all the games. Is before the internet, you know,
Speaker 1: this is before you would have easy access to what
Speaker 1: was going on around the league and you would have
Speaker 1: NFL films going through each game. And in fact that
Speaker 1: I feel like that show was the blueprint for our
Speaker 1: podcast and going through every game on Sunday nights are
Speaker 1: flagship show. So Inside the NFL very important show for
Speaker 1: me and a lot of people. Mark, I know we've
Speaker 1: talked about that show before and and Bonacatti was a
Speaker 1: big part of it. Uh So, I'm sure he will
Speaker 1: be missed. At the age of seventy eight, Nick Bonacatti
Speaker 1: passes away, I feel the same way you do about
Speaker 1: that show, and it was you know, that was back
Speaker 1: during a time when you know, my brother and I
Speaker 1: would fight over the sports page in the morning because
Speaker 1: it's the only content out there now. That feels like
Speaker 1: an absurd that anyone would fight over a newspaper of
Speaker 1: any level. But but but kind of like he he
Speaker 1: was a great communicator. And you know, we're we're too
Speaker 1: young to have known him as a player, But think
Speaker 1: of how many like young people now will know Tony
Speaker 1: Romo for the next fifteen twenty years because of his
Speaker 1: ability to communicate. And so you know, he he also
Speaker 1: he had a son that was paralyzed at age nineteen, right,
Speaker 1: and he raised he went on to raise a ton
Speaker 1: of money for research and paralysis. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of angles and and factors and Nassett's hundreds of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars for the Miami Project a cure paralysis.
Speaker 1: A great Patriot too, I mean, it was part of
Speaker 1: a bunch of all NFL teams. Was part of their team.
Speaker 1: It was the they did make a championship game in
Speaker 1: the sixties and the a f L. He was part
Speaker 1: of that team. And he's from Springfield, the town right
Speaker 1: next to where I grew up. So I mean he
Speaker 1: had he had a great Patriots career and a great
Speaker 1: Dolphins career. Awesome, all right, let's get into it. The news.
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas and the Saints. They get it done. Thank God.
Speaker 1: The worst, the worst headlines, the worst storylines to talk
Speaker 1: about in July and August are the holdouts. There's just
Speaker 1: no there's no juice to it. But it's important to
Speaker 1: talk about because they're superstar players. So whenever the deal
Speaker 1: gets done, it's good for everybody. A five year, one
Speaker 1: million dollar contract extension UM that includes sixty one millions
Speaker 1: a million and guarantees that from rap sheet UM. Thompson
Speaker 1: sat out the start of Saints training camp. He wanted
Speaker 1: a new deal. UM. Instead, he jumps out of that
Speaker 1: hold out list that still includes Zeke Elliott, Melvin Gordon,
Speaker 1: uh Trent Williams and others. Twenty six years old, now
Speaker 1: sits a top wide receiver market, surpassing what Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: makes eighteen million per year average. Greg Thomas um, he
Speaker 1: has really exploded onto the scene and he certainly deserves
Speaker 1: to be in that conversation of the best wide receivers
Speaker 1: in the league. Maybe he's not always brought up, but
Speaker 1: he certainly should be there. He should be has not
Speaker 1: many people match the physicality that he has, and he
Speaker 1: has maybe one of the the like most physical bodies
Speaker 1: just in terms of cornerbacks can't get around him and
Speaker 1: he can just box him out with deep speed with
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's what was surprised a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the NFL. That's why he felt to
Speaker 1: the second round that he could be such a big playmaker,
Speaker 1: and he is. He He breaks up a lot of
Speaker 1: the when they don't leave a safety deep. Thomas will
Speaker 1: kill you over the top and he's earned it in
Speaker 1: the age of analytics. He's He's a guy who's nickname
Speaker 1: could be positive outcome. He was the most reliable past
Speaker 1: completion positive play in football last year as the security
Speaker 1: blanket for Sean Payton and Drew Brees. I think he's
Speaker 1: battling with DeAndre Hopkins to be decide which one is
Speaker 1: the new Larry Fitzgerald. I just want to mention who
Speaker 1: has taken in front of him in that in that
Speaker 1: at wide receiver out, Corey Coleman, Josh Dotson, Lakwan Treadwell.
Speaker 1: Those are at least the first round picks, with tom
Speaker 1: Us going midway eight through the second round. You remember
Speaker 1: in the eighties, UM in early nineties speaking of inside
Speaker 1: the NFL in that era when they had the NFL posters,
Speaker 1: and it would be you know, ridiculous, like Dome patrol
Speaker 1: for the Saints, or like the Giants would be the
Speaker 1: bad fellows and they'd be dressed like gangsters West. You're
Speaker 1: positive outcome, can't you just picture Michael Thomas would be
Speaker 1: like calculators everywhere, spreadsheets, spreadsheets all around on your bedsheets,
Speaker 1: and he's just wearing like a sleeveless shirt in his
Speaker 1: football pants. Can make that for us. The artistic listeners
Speaker 1: out there help us out, positive out. It will never
Speaker 1: beat the Donny Ball game, the hit Man, which hangs
Speaker 1: in my garage to this day. Anyway, the and just
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean, if you're not aware, if
Speaker 1: you don't know, now you know Michael Thomas last season
Speaker 1: one six nine t d s and no wide receiver
Speaker 1: ever has had as many UM catches in his first
Speaker 1: three years three So he entered the league as a star.
Speaker 1: He's got nuclear now he's a superstar. Now he's paid
Speaker 1: like one pretty good player, pretty first time they've really
Speaker 1: had a guy like that in all the years of
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, a guy dominate that didn't never have the
Speaker 1: numbers like that though nothing close ms I'm saying dominating
Speaker 1: the ball and being a top of fight again. You
Speaker 1: always thought it was a spread the wealth type of offense.
Speaker 1: They didn't need a number one receiver. Jimmy Graham had
Speaker 1: some years. They were every bit as good as Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas his last year. Scientists going at it in a
Speaker 1: big spot. Um, West, you know what, You're gonna get
Speaker 1: a little uncofortable in your chair right now because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about something dangerous around the Indianapolis Colts Andrew
Speaker 1: lux calf injury. It's lingering. The Colts quarterback sat out
Speaker 1: Tuesday's practice session. Uh. Frank Reich, the Colts coach, said.
Speaker 1: Reporter said, Uh, Luck will not participate in the next
Speaker 1: two practices and ruled him out to play in the
Speaker 1: team's first preseason game. Um, it's a nagging injury. It's
Speaker 1: been around for three months. Per NFL Networks Tom Placero,
Speaker 1: there are no more doctor appointments, scans or surgery skeltered
Speaker 1: for Luck. Um, but it's been labeled a castring and
Speaker 1: kind of a setback that he's not ready to play
Speaker 1: football yet. Where's your peace scale? At West? One is
Speaker 1: completely dry? Ten underpants soaked. I was hoping you would
Speaker 1: ask this exact question. The peace scale, it's about a one.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean compared last year when it
Speaker 1: was a nine point nine because of his shoulder. This
Speaker 1: is this pales in comparison to last year. Is concerned.
Speaker 1: He said he's played through worse pain. Basically, they said
Speaker 1: if he had to play tomorrow, he'd be he'd be
Speaker 1: all right to play. He's got five or what five
Speaker 1: or six weeks before the season starts out. It doesn't
Speaker 1: bother you at all that he's had an injury for
Speaker 1: three months that has not gotten better. It doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when they said, like previously that he
Speaker 1: would be ready for training game and we're very confident.
Speaker 1: I would put it higher because Andrew Luck sounds like
Speaker 1: he's higher. He sounded practically dejected when he said it's
Speaker 1: going backwards. He said the injury was going backwards, and
Speaker 1: he was frustrated because it's been it's been months and
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's serious. But it's like a
Speaker 1: four one. There's still some still some triples of your
Speaker 1: one that's on the rise, so West, you know, I
Speaker 1: would Jake Brisket, I'd say just get him loose and
Speaker 1: keep him ready. God, I hope I don't have to
Speaker 1: watch him play for a whole year, but this is
Speaker 1: obviously something to watch and we talked about it on
Speaker 1: the show that they cited the Kevin Durant injury. Um
Speaker 1: as you know, a template in terms of be extra
Speaker 1: careful with this. Last thing we need is Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: suffering another serious injury. So it makes all the sense
Speaker 1: in the world to bring him along extra slow. But
Speaker 1: how about some positive development? I just feeling nice. Nothing
Speaker 1: good comes from training camp at all, just negative which
Speaker 1: on that very top like a j Green. Yes, he
Speaker 1: was injured in the first or the practice of training
Speaker 1: camp at that field with all the pebbles on it. Uh,
Speaker 1: he will miss regular multiple regular season games, which is
Speaker 1: not the outlook that was originally presented. He underwent ankle
Speaker 1: surgery on Tuesday, and when they went in there to
Speaker 1: check it out, they realized the damage is a little
Speaker 1: bit more uh severe than anticipated. So it went from
Speaker 1: the hope that he would be ready for Week one
Speaker 1: to expected to miss multiple regular season games. Rap Sheet reported.
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, the new Bengals coach, confirmed UH that it
Speaker 1: is going to be a bit of time on the
Speaker 1: shelf first superstar wide receiver. Uh and yes, by the way,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati follows an opening a week one trip to Seattle
Speaker 1: with games against the Niners, Bills, and Steelers, so they
Speaker 1: could use their best player and they're not gonna have
Speaker 1: him for at least the first couple of games. It
Speaker 1: looks like maybe more. I was taken Isaac Taylor immediately
Speaker 1: putting that timeline out there, almost as um away to
Speaker 1: send the signal to Green like take you know, we're
Speaker 1: behind you, and it's like a player friendly move. We're
Speaker 1: gonna put this timetable out as far as possible. Coaches
Speaker 1: usually don't do that, saying, oh, he's definitely gonna miss
Speaker 1: some games in the regular season, Like don't rush it.
Speaker 1: You know, if he comes back earlier than that, then
Speaker 1: then you can look like a hero and that'll be
Speaker 1: a pleasant surprise. But I thought it was interesting he
Speaker 1: went out of his way to kind of take the
Speaker 1: pressure off. Moving on, Trent Williams, where is he out
Speaker 1: with the Redskins. It's not good. Everything we're hearing is
Speaker 1: negative that it is a um relationship that is fractured
Speaker 1: beyond repair. Well the athletics. Jeff how reports that the
Speaker 1: Redskins are quote having trade discussions regarding Williams. Um and
Speaker 1: how added that the Patriots Greg give Boys expected to
Speaker 1: be in the mix if Williams does hit the market. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's on the record, Williams saying he's not gonna play
Speaker 1: for the Redskins anymore. So if this is as bad
Speaker 1: as it seems, we could see a trade coming where yes,
Speaker 1: he's thirty one, he's had some issues, injury issues, but um,
Speaker 1: these type of offensive lineman west don't typically you know,
Speaker 1: wiggle free this close to the start of the season.
Speaker 1: I would imagine it would be a very healthy market,
Speaker 1: especially for a contender or a team in dire straits
Speaker 1: at offensive line like your Cincinnati Bengals that would never
Speaker 1: do that, but teams that could use a left tackle.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a market if he's out there. Houston
Speaker 1: Texans come to mind, the guy they drafted in the
Speaker 1: first round has been playing guard, not tackle, uh, Titus Howard,
Speaker 1: So they come to mind. Um, it seems that in
Speaker 1: the past forty eight hours finally not dawned on the Redskins,
Speaker 1: but they've accepted the fact that Trent Williams is probably
Speaker 1: not gonna play for them, so we might as well
Speaker 1: start listening to trades. They signed Donald Penn, and when
Speaker 1: Donald Penn spoke to the media, he said, I didn't
Speaker 1: like playing right tackle last year. I wasn't comfortable with it.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to the Redskins to play left tackle. They
Speaker 1: must know something that we don't know that Trent Williams
Speaker 1: isn't coming back. Man, it's just a terrible situation for
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins for whoever is playing quarterback for that team,
Speaker 1: because I already view the Redskins is one of the Offensively,
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot to love. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of weapons, and last year I feel like they
Speaker 1: were basically a run a running team with a tight
Speaker 1: with a with heavy you know, passing options to the
Speaker 1: tight end. They didn't did nothing going on. It's not
Speaker 1: a good situation for a rookie quarterback. I would go
Speaker 1: as far as to say Greg that this would be
Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise for the Redskins to trade Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: But and certainly one of these are the circumstances. It
Speaker 1: deflates your you know, your ability to get high value
Speaker 1: back for him. But he's a thirty one year old
Speaker 1: left tackle for a team that's probably at least a
Speaker 1: couple of years away. The idea of trading him and
Speaker 1: getting good value back is not the worst things for
Speaker 1: a Redskins team in transition. Depends what's good value. Though
Speaker 1: he's their best player or he has been there is this?
Speaker 1: Is this playoff team next year or this year? No,
Speaker 1: but he's their best player. And okay, are the Texans
Speaker 1: going to give up a first round pick for him?
Speaker 1: A second round pick? Maybe? I mean with health concerns.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I wouldn't trade Trent Williams unless
Speaker 1: you got a second round pick. He's too Like what
Speaker 1: why is that helping? You? Just let him sit out
Speaker 1: all you see what happens. I don't know they call
Speaker 1: call the bluff on that. I think they could get something.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dwayne Brown got a second round pick at
Speaker 1: mid season. Why can't Trent Williams. Trent Williams, who do
Speaker 1: we trust to win the have a have forty million?
Speaker 1: Why all these teams have so much cap space, spend it?
Speaker 1: Spend it on Trent Williams. If it's if it's the Patriots,
Speaker 1: who do you trust to win the deal? Here? Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick or Bruce Ellen. Doug Williams is on the phone too.
Speaker 1: You know you got trust Doug. I'm a little surprised
Speaker 1: that if the Patriots got in there, but their first
Speaker 1: round pick from a year ago, Isaiah Win still not practicing.
Speaker 1: So right now they have uh Joe Tooney, who's their
Speaker 1: left guard, playing left tackle for the most part, so
Speaker 1: it could be a problem. And the other news to
Speaker 1: take out of this that yes, it does continue to streak.
Speaker 1: It's been going on for the last seven forty seven
Speaker 1: high level veterans that hit the trade market to immediately
Speaker 1: be attached to the Patriots as a potential suitor. Just
Speaker 1: the record, it's a record that will never be It's
Speaker 1: it's Cal Ripken baseball and baseball. It's the Yankees and
Speaker 1: they that's been the case since the nineties, that they
Speaker 1: been the case since that's that's true. Although your boy,
Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing trading for Trevor Bauers?
Speaker 1: Did you want him? I forgot every superstar in Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball is ultimately ticket for the Yankees because they're
Speaker 1: the only game in town. And it's cute that you
Speaker 1: guys fancy yourself contenders, but you know, stay out of
Speaker 1: the you know, big playbox. Well, the oldest team in
Speaker 1: baseball thinks it's allowed to win games too. Unexpected British here, sorry,
Speaker 1: furiously googling and Trevor Bauer right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're gonna like Trevor Bauer. I read up on
Speaker 1: him a lot last night, and you could not create
Speaker 1: in a lay any anything or anyone with a more
Speaker 1: galling personality than this guy. Yeah, he's a real menace
Speaker 1: on Twitter as well. Oh my god, I think he's
Speaker 1: a sociopath from the very absolutely. It's just gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to root for a shutout from that guy every
Speaker 1: time out. Alright. In other news, Mark, why didn't you
Speaker 1: jump in there? You've been active on Twitter with baseball
Speaker 1: stuff recently. You know, my baseball content it arrives when
Speaker 1: it arrives, not when it's asked for. Although that that
Speaker 1: reminds me of interaction we had walking up here where
Speaker 1: uh Andy, Greg who's big time direct giant, exact giant,
Speaker 1: uh you know, because he's so tall of his nickname,
Speaker 1: just walked this by and he's like Sessler. I've been
Speaker 1: tweeting out some weird lately. Well, you know, I love.
Speaker 1: The people think that I only know about football and
Speaker 1: that I don't have a rich history covering baseball as well.
Speaker 1: Moving on the Cowboys back in business with Alfred Morris. Uh,
Speaker 1: this deal comes of course at a time uh when
Speaker 1: Dallas could use more bodies in their backfield at running
Speaker 1: back as a potential protracted hold out with Zekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: goes on. So thirty years old, alf Morris, you know
Speaker 1: he's he's had moments, He's had moments, and it's been
Speaker 1: thirty years old for seven years. That's fair. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I accidentally called him Albert Morris our last show and
Speaker 1: that we're talking about his rookie season that was two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, But it feels like he's been in the
Speaker 1: league since about He's one of those guys. But he
Speaker 1: actually did some things a couple of years ago with Dallas.
Speaker 1: Um in um limited duty and you could do worse.
Speaker 1: Probably probably could do better, but you do worse. Also,
Speaker 1: nice little insurance policy. He knows that knows the system there. Um.
Speaker 1: James later reported something interesting on Tuesday that her sources
Speaker 1: from Dallas told her the Cowboys do not like the
Speaker 1: way Todd Girl's contract was structured and they want to
Speaker 1: reset the market rather than set the market. And she
Speaker 1: had she said they're not close that you know, there's
Speaker 1: you know, some chatter about they didn't love the look
Speaker 1: that he's in Cabo right now working out this. It
Speaker 1: is a good test case of whether Levan Bell really
Speaker 1: did uh potentially changed the way players are are thinking,
Speaker 1: because Gordon and Zeke in theory, you know, could could
Speaker 1: do the Bell playbook, not the whole season, but maybe
Speaker 1: actually missing some games in theory, if he actually has
Speaker 1: changed their minds at all, I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: was the other show a couple of a couple of
Speaker 1: shows ago when I mentioned that the only holdout that
Speaker 1: had me concerned at all was not this one. And
Speaker 1: I am this is starting to get on my on
Speaker 1: my radar a little bit as a nettlesome issue. Well,
Speaker 1: put Mark, that's what's happened, like making just you gotta
Speaker 1: make a comment at some point, but the topic, that's
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news, all right, So uh, it's
Speaker 1: like crap, now I have to say something. It's like that.
Speaker 1: It's like a window into Marks in turn like interior.
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I better say so soon they're gonna know
Speaker 1: they can't do They can do it without me easily. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in the news. Alright, So
Speaker 1: West he's back. Um, a bit of a soft launch
Speaker 1: for the banger Um in the Banger zone for West
Speaker 1: with his last piece. But now he is all training
Speaker 1: camp has done. You know, he got some reps in
Speaker 1: week three of the preseason. Um, you know he met
Speaker 1: with his trainers, He took all the right supplements. Then
Speaker 1: he gets suspended. He is ready for football, new start
Speaker 1: up to camp. A little overweight there, Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 1: this was an exercise and knocking the rust off for me.
Speaker 1: I've got to learn about Kellen Moore, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got to learn about what Chuck Pagano did last time
Speaker 1: he was defensive coordinator. That's good. So what did West
Speaker 1: right about? He wrote about the um assistant coaches in
Speaker 1: new places that really are gonna be big factors with
Speaker 1: their teams. And I imagine West, these are teams that
Speaker 1: uh fancy themselves super Bowl contenders, so there could be
Speaker 1: a make or break element uh to um these gentlemen
Speaker 1: and their presidence with these teams. Want to get into
Speaker 1: the list because well, I have a feeling that one
Speaker 1: person on this list will not be a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: contender in the eyes of you three Rich Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: offensive Why don't call him Sangs in the article? Alright,
Speaker 1: so tell us about Skanks. He is. He's the new
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the Broncos. Gary Kubiak of course, who
Speaker 1: will talk about later. Uh seem to have some type
Speaker 1: of falling out might be strong but disagreement or philosophical
Speaker 1: break with John Elway. So he left the team, uh
Speaker 1: and took his his um hair, his gorgeous hair to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: But Skangs is there's the o C to us about
Speaker 1: what do you think about's going on there? Well, Skangs
Speaker 1: is only the o C because l John Elway got
Speaker 1: on the phone to another Stanford legend, John Lynch, and
Speaker 1: basically coaxed him in to allowing the Broncos to interview Skangs. Uh.
Speaker 1: So he had to promise that they he was the
Speaker 1: lead candidate, that he was probably going to get the
Speaker 1: job when they hired him. This guy comes from the
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan tree um and I think that Mike Monchek,
Speaker 1: the offensive line coach, is just as important of a
Speaker 1: hire as Scangarrello. He has he's he's one of the
Speaker 1: most respected line coaches in the NFL. The Steelers were
Speaker 1: top seven in d v o A all five years
Speaker 1: that he was running the offensive line in Pittsburgh. And
Speaker 1: this is the team with the second most blown blocks
Speaker 1: in the NFL last year, the Broncos. They've got at
Speaker 1: least two new starters in Juwan James at right tackle,
Speaker 1: Dalton Risner the rookie at guard, and Flacco had the
Speaker 1: lowest rating passer rating under pressure in the NFL last season,
Speaker 1: so it's very wharton for him not to be under
Speaker 1: constant pressure. I feel like between Skangs and mun Check,
Speaker 1: this will be an improved offense, much improved. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of new starters on this team. I
Speaker 1: like when teams have kind of a connection to the
Speaker 1: schemes that they've run throughout their history, and this is
Speaker 1: very much a Denver Broncos type of offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very much a Mike Shannon, which is Look, it's
Speaker 1: still working, as you can see with Kyle Shannon and
Speaker 1: the influence he's had with John McVeigh and everyone else
Speaker 1: across the lake. But what a what a come up
Speaker 1: for this guy. He was the Wagner offensive coordinator. Three
Speaker 1: years ago. Wagner, he was at Millsaps like five, seven,
Speaker 1: eight years ago. So mil SAPs is another college also
Speaker 1: the last name of it's a female prep school in Iowa.
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets power forward. Uh So, I mean he I
Speaker 1: think he's the guy that Kyle Shanahan really like loved
Speaker 1: and that, and I think that word got around the league.
Speaker 1: And now he's in Mark. What do you give me
Speaker 1: to bathing in the knowledge that West is just pouring
Speaker 1: out on us right here? So next gangs, All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Gary Kubiak. It didn't work out in Denver,
Speaker 1: Um they couldn't figure out a way, uh to do it.
Speaker 1: So he goes to Minnesota. And this is a situation
Speaker 1: where offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski he'll still have the gig
Speaker 1: and he'll still be calling the plays, but West Kubiak
Speaker 1: is gonna be I mean, that offense is gonna look
Speaker 1: different if Gary Kubiak is in town. Talk about a
Speaker 1: dream higher. I mean, Stefanski's calling the plays. But they
Speaker 1: not only brought in Kubiak, they brought in Rick Dennison,
Speaker 1: Kubiak's longtime right hand man who manages the running game. Uh,
Speaker 1: they brought in They brought in Click Kubiak for quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Coach Kubiak. I mean they bring in all these guys
Speaker 1: because they're implementing Gary Kubiak system, a system which is
Speaker 1: Taylor made not only for Kirk Cousins but also for
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cooking. That offensive line. There aren't going to be
Speaker 1: seventh jep blocks, there's or seven step drops um the
Speaker 1: law offensive line, we have more time, they won't be
Speaker 1: under as much pressure with all the rollouts and bootlegs
Speaker 1: they're gonna have. Kirk Cousins is the only quarterback with
Speaker 1: a thousand passing yards and a better passer rating on
Speaker 1: play action throws in each of the past four years,
Speaker 1: which is the foundation of Kubiak's offense. I feel like
Speaker 1: this is just a perfect You talk about the problem
Speaker 1: last year, Mike Zimmer's desire for a run oriented attack
Speaker 1: versus an offensive line that couldn't pull it off, and
Speaker 1: John d Filippa, who's always been a very pass heavy
Speaker 1: play caller. You bring in a guy who marries the
Speaker 1: run in the past as well as anybody has for
Speaker 1: the past couple of decades, Gary Kubia. That was your slot. Mark,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't play that. I was gonna
Speaker 1: jump in, of course, but I decided reference Mark Restferendce
Speaker 1: a slot, and now all I can think about is
Speaker 1: Mark slot. Dan you here's what happened though, and he
Speaker 1: is wrapping up. I gave Marco look that was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you go. I knew what. I thought that I was
Speaker 1: gonna jump on it because this was your topic on
Speaker 1: the sky Sports hit. Yeah. Think you are a Gary
Speaker 1: Kubiak believer. We did, Yes. I I believe in the
Speaker 1: Vikings for game Pass, which everyone should buy a game
Speaker 1: Pass Europe. I think it's especially for the overseas listeners,
Speaker 1: so people should buy American. You can show up I
Speaker 1: think closer to the the NFL season, but it's a
Speaker 1: it's a big season previous. I think, you know what.
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings are so primed for a bounce
Speaker 1: back season, and I think it helps him so much
Speaker 1: that last year, after the Minneapolis miracle and then getting Cousins,
Speaker 1: which seemed like an obvious upgrade over case, keenum that
Speaker 1: they would be a team that would get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Finally get back to the super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: they kind of wilted. It felt under that and Cousins
Speaker 1: didn't live up to expectations, even if his numbers UH
Speaker 1: seemed as strong as always UH This year, though, they
Speaker 1: seem to be lying in the weeds in the NFC.
Speaker 1: And and I think West, everything you're adding is just
Speaker 1: adds more fuel fuel to that fire and my feeling
Speaker 1: that this is a team. This to me, they could
Speaker 1: be a twelve and four team if that offense gains
Speaker 1: more consistency. I believe in that defense, I believe in
Speaker 1: that home field advantage. It's one of the best in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They seem to be a potential NFC monster.
Speaker 1: There was just a stink on them from the early
Speaker 1: part of the earliest reports we heard of d Filippo
Speaker 1: and Zimmer not being on the same page, and I
Speaker 1: think it it kind of rotted that team from the
Speaker 1: inside out. And so this feels like Zimmer's got his guy,
Speaker 1: his guys, Cubs, Coup's two point oh the Sun. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he looks like, but I mean it
Speaker 1: sounds good. I mean, I think they are a bounced
Speaker 1: back type team. He brings it on too. I That's
Speaker 1: why it sounds like, that's why he left Denver. Is Ultimately,
Speaker 1: when you hire Cubs, you don't just have Cubs, you
Speaker 1: have Dennison. You gotta all go on the payroll. It's
Speaker 1: like hiring the star and you gotta find like a
Speaker 1: job for like lebron James is like you know, third
Speaker 1: best friend or whatever. And that's why he ended up
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. And he's got a great running back to
Speaker 1: build the round in Dalvin Cook, who I think wasn't
Speaker 1: a totally back from the a cl but still looked
Speaker 1: quite good last year and we'll be even better this year.
Speaker 1: Look at kubi x track record. He has turned a
Speaker 1: slew of undrafted guys and late round picks into thousand
Speaker 1: yard rushers. Now he's got a second round pick in
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. Let's connect again back with the Broncos. The
Speaker 1: Broncos are connected to all these It's like a Kevin
Speaker 1: Bacon situation. Well, this is the Shanahan family is running
Speaker 1: through this entire list. Interesting, So yes, I just brought
Speaker 1: up case kien Keenum he went from Minnesota to Denver,
Speaker 1: and Kubiak he went from Denver to Minnesota. Minnesota. Now
Speaker 1: Chuck Pagano, he replaces Vic Fagio who went from Chicago
Speaker 1: to Denver. He is the new defensive coordinator of Duck
Speaker 1: Bear's trademark. Me your thoughts was, well, this is the
Speaker 1: one that this instigated the article, um thinking about Chuck
Speaker 1: Pagano because you lose Vic Fngio. Who is I think,
Speaker 1: along with Wave Phillips, the most most respected defensive mind
Speaker 1: in the game right now. Well, Bill Belichick sort of
Speaker 1: on an island up there by himself, but you know,
Speaker 1: throwing Romeo Crennell is another guy who's respected. But we
Speaker 1: don't really know what Chuck Pogano is. He had one
Speaker 1: year's defensive coordinator with the Ravens where they finished third
Speaker 1: in defense with ray Lewis, ed Reid, Terrell Suggs, and
Speaker 1: then he went to the Colts and he never really
Speaker 1: had much talent to work with on defense. Now he's
Speaker 1: token over a defense that is almost sure to regress
Speaker 1: to the mean just because they had a sky high
Speaker 1: turnover rate, lost very few games to injury last year,
Speaker 1: and cannot and fiftcent of drives with an interception like
Speaker 1: they did last year, especially with a slight drop off
Speaker 1: in talent in that secondary. The problem with taking a
Speaker 1: job like that is that they invariably will regress back
Speaker 1: to the mean with the turnover stuff, and they need
Speaker 1: that defense every week to make up for their offense.
Speaker 1: I felt like, and if you're if you are in
Speaker 1: the situation Pagano, you're gonna get blamed from the earliest
Speaker 1: part of the season if it doesn't go well. That's
Speaker 1: over something for someone who floundered before me. You come
Speaker 1: in and you look at on the other hand, when
Speaker 1: you have a chance to work with Cleo Max and
Speaker 1: Keem Hicks, Rokuan Smith, Dany Danny Travis, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: they're absolutely loaded, Eddie Jackson, Kyle for they are loaded,
Speaker 1: and yet I think it's a tough spot to go
Speaker 1: to for Pagano. You know. Dan pompeirot a good article
Speaker 1: this week on The Athletic about the Bears, just that
Speaker 1: the teams that return all their starters and the expectations
Speaker 1: are there. Sometimes those are the ones I'm worried about.
Speaker 1: There's not there's no longer like them, there's no competition
Speaker 1: that all the starting spots are back. They were kind
Speaker 1: of hungry and trying to prove everything. I think Naggy,
Speaker 1: that's such an amazing job. Can he create that many
Speaker 1: plays again, but defensively, it's just proven statistically that is
Speaker 1: tough to stay that dominance at that hungry. On paper though,
Speaker 1: they are the best. I don't think like you need
Speaker 1: to try to come up with some hot take that
Speaker 1: there's some other team. They are the best on paper.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in your number number four in your list.
Speaker 1: And again Chris Westling rhoda banger. Five new coaches with
Speaker 1: make er big potential. So the Falcons, we all know
Speaker 1: what happened. Kyle Shanahan new coaches. Okay, presided over an
Speaker 1: offense that was historically great in the season in Atlanta
Speaker 1: when they went to the Super Bowl and nearly won
Speaker 1: the damn thing before collapsing. Um, he he leaves, gets
Speaker 1: the gig in San Francisco head coach job. So Steve
Speaker 1: Sarkisian comes in and he never kind of was able
Speaker 1: to match it. He was never able to match the magic,
Speaker 1: even though they did score points, just wasn't special. So
Speaker 1: what do they do West? They bring back guys that
Speaker 1: were familiar to Matt Ryan and company before that amazing
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen season, which is almost to say, I
Speaker 1: don't know from the perspective and outside perspective. Maybe we'll
Speaker 1: never capture lightning the bottle like did in sixteen, but
Speaker 1: we liked what we were before Kyle Shandahan got there.
Speaker 1: We didn't like the Sarkasian version of us. Let's try.
Speaker 1: Let's as you wrote, go back to the future. First
Speaker 1: four years and Mett Ryan's career as coordinator was Mike Malarkey.
Speaker 1: Next three years, his coordinator was Dirk Cutter. Falcons hired
Speaker 1: both of them this year, one to coordinate the passing game,
Speaker 1: the other to coordinate the running game, and dan Quinn
Speaker 1: cited continuity. Basically, they want to run the system Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan's been running while he's been a top five or
Speaker 1: six quarterback the last three or four years, rather than
Speaker 1: going back to what Dirk Cutter was doing. Uh and
Speaker 1: Dirk Cutter's um. He runs an Air Coryell like vertical
Speaker 1: spread scheme that should be pretty similar to what they
Speaker 1: were running before, so it shouldn't be a big change. UM.
Speaker 1: But I think what they're gonna find is, even though
Speaker 1: they were a top ten offense during Dirk Cutters first
Speaker 1: time around, Matt Ryan's a different quarterback now. He was
Speaker 1: a much more conservative passer. His average depth of target
Speaker 1: was always kind of bottom third in the league, and
Speaker 1: now he is one of the most prolific downfield bomb
Speaker 1: throwers in the NFL. He he is excellent at it.
Speaker 1: It has been for three years. I mean, if we
Speaker 1: talk about the Vikings as a bounce back team, I
Speaker 1: go Falcons because a lot obviously went wrong healthwise for
Speaker 1: them last year. But but Cutter and like Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: have proven that they can get along well and and
Speaker 1: work with each other, and that's a huge factor in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And another option, I guess it's you'd have
Speaker 1: to be monking around with the categories here, you know,
Speaker 1: and new coaches. But Dan Quinn, I mean, Dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator right now. They didn't hire anyone. He's
Speaker 1: under pressure because he fired all his coordinators. Peter King
Speaker 1: point out, I think it was from football outsiders. Actually
Speaker 1: they were the first team since the nine Colts to
Speaker 1: fire all three of their coordinators and keep their head coach,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. And he's fired a lot of coordinators
Speaker 1: over here, and then he put himself in as a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. So to me, there's a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on Quinn to to deliver with that young group. I
Speaker 1: guess I was a Falcons fan. I'd feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about that. If you trust those offensive minds. And as
Speaker 1: you you remember, if you know the NFL, that Quinn
Speaker 1: was the d C of that historically great Seahawks team.
Speaker 1: So he's got it in them to scheme it up,
Speaker 1: asked Peyton Manning. I like the moves, I like all
Speaker 1: the moment I think a huge thing in Atlanta too,
Speaker 1: is you've used two first round picks onlineman and if
Speaker 1: they hit, if that works out, you've you've added big
Speaker 1: strength to that team. Finally, West, tell us why when
Speaker 1: you talk about the Dallas Cowboys offense, you could, you know,
Speaker 1: waddle on in Maybe if you're not us, you're right
Speaker 1: fitman uh, and you swing open those doors and welcome
Speaker 1: to the last chance saloon. As you put it well, Well,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett is in the last year of his contract. Uh.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl clock is ticking with Jason Whitten and Sean
Speaker 1: Lee who are possibly in the last year of their
Speaker 1: legendary careers. In Dallas, the offensive line nucleus, which the
Speaker 1: whole thing is built around, is creeping away from its prime,
Speaker 1: especially at left tackle and maybe at center. UM and
Speaker 1: you have a stable of young stars in need of
Speaker 1: huge contracts, the sands running through the hourglass. Here it's
Speaker 1: time and Scott Linahan, who was actually Kellen Moore's mentor
Speaker 1: in both Detroit and Dallas, was sort of scapegoated for
Speaker 1: having a stale offense. I think um Freddie Kitchens, Brown's
Speaker 1: coach said this at the end of last year. When
Speaker 1: you're running offense these days, defenses are so athletic, so speedy,
Speaker 1: it's really important pre snap to give them a moment's hesitation.
Speaker 1: And that's what Kellen Moore is supposed to do here.
Speaker 1: He not only comes from lenahan scheme, he comes from
Speaker 1: Boise State, where they have a wide array of formation
Speaker 1: shifts and motions. And I think you're gonna see the
Speaker 1: same foundation, the same philosophy that Lenahan used, just with
Speaker 1: a lot more options before the snap to try to
Speaker 1: confuse defense. I'm looking forward to a new coach in
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's here and everything that we've heard, I think
Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit, but dani Orlovsky, who
Speaker 1: had time with Kellen Moore, talking about what he's implementing
Speaker 1: is sounding a lot more like closer to Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: than it really is to Scott Lenahan, and I think
Speaker 1: he's laser focused on making all the things that that
Speaker 1: does well, especially the deep ball and throwing on the move,
Speaker 1: accentuating that and I and I, for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: don't think they were getting the most out of dock
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And I'm more excited, you know,
Speaker 1: to watch this offense undercoun. I love this story because,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who coach his son.
Speaker 1: Right away. They talked about how his acumen, his smartest
Speaker 1: creativity were an asset, but he wasn't much of a player.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy to think that he was just playing
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and he's now running an
Speaker 1: NFL offense. You don't see that kind of rise very quickly.
Speaker 1: He was his own quarterback's backup. I mean, he's coaching
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott now, and he Prescott was elevated because Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore broke his ankle on one of the first days
Speaker 1: of training camp, having happened to be there that day,
Speaker 1: and suddenly everyone is crowding around this fourth round pick,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott because hey, you're gonna have to be the backup,
Speaker 1: and you know, as we found out a few weeks later,
Speaker 1: he was gonna have to be the starter. That was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite plot points of Greggy does Dallas.
Speaker 1: The things you hear about people don't usually talk about
Speaker 1: the plot that much, but it's underrated sets everything up
Speaker 1: to ship. The things you hear about Sean McVeigh. You
Speaker 1: hear about Kellen Moore. You know, John Kittner said he
Speaker 1: had a beautiful mind. Dak Prescott said he's one of
Speaker 1: the quote young genius phenomens in the game. Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: kello is only thirty years old. It's just crazy. So
Speaker 1: like Jason Garrett's the man who will replace Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: if they don't get Sean Payton. Well he was nine
Speaker 1: when they hired him. Wow, that is wild. They've got
Speaker 1: Chris for Shard on defense, who really took over play
Speaker 1: calling from Rob Maryland Marinelli last year even though Marionelli's
Speaker 1: the coordinator. So they've got a couple of head coaching candidates. Well,
Speaker 1: check it out NFL dot com slash Westling uh to
Speaker 1: see all those all that analysis in one place. Uh.
Speaker 1: I guess while we're here, Gregg, you've been writing your
Speaker 1: training camp pieces winners and losers that are a weekly
Speaker 1: seg basically yeah, sunder they go. It goes up Monday mornings,
Speaker 1: some winners and losers, big recap of the training camp
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Speaker 1: you would think at some point your career advances past
Speaker 1: certain things, but no, it's just it's hit this nice
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