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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry over there,

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Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know. And we're going

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Speaker 1: to mind our p's and ques because this is a

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Speaker 1: family show, So everybody don't get all excited like we're

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Speaker 1: gonna drop the S word or anything like that. So

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Speaker 1: next or not, Yes, just said it. Oh, we're going

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Speaker 1: to keep it clean. But we are talking about some dirty,

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Speaker 1: dirty stuff, stuff that should never be uttered by anyone.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I for one would like to tip my

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Speaker 1: hat to tip her Gore for being an American hero

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Speaker 1: of all time. What Actually, it's funny as I was

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Speaker 1: reading some of this and this is we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the p MRC. As everyone will soon find out, UM

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Speaker 1: and Ed put this one together. UM and he points

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Speaker 1: out that yes, if you look at this the stuff

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Speaker 1: that they were trying to do the Parents Music Resource Center,

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Speaker 1: they were basically saying, like we need to be able

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Speaker 1: to have a heads up that this record album has

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Speaker 1: UM lyrics on it that we wouldn't want our little

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Speaker 1: eight year old kid to listen to. That's really all

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Speaker 1: we're asking for. The thing is that's not all they

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Speaker 1: were asking for, And it's a slippery slope of doing

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Speaker 1: that where you're you're basically ringing the dinner triangle for

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Speaker 1: anybody who's got a beef with any dirty lyrics or

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Speaker 1: any worldview that opposes theirs to come out and say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that idea, and while we're at it, let's

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Speaker 1: put him in jail if they don't comply. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: but it's too late. The cats out of the bag.

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Speaker 1: And this all happened in real life in the eighties, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm on record is saying the seventies

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Speaker 1: were the greatest decade of all time. I think the

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Speaker 1: eighties were one of the most interesting. At least, A

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Speaker 1: lot of icky still pent down in the You got

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Speaker 1: the Satanic panic, Yeah, the whole backmasking thing that was

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Speaker 1: kind of part of it. You've got this, um A

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Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff happened in the eighties too. Uh,

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Speaker 1: spatial program was going pretty strong, there was a shuttle

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Speaker 1: disaster even I mean like it was an interesting, provocative decade.

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Speaker 1: So there you have a chuck. There's the intro Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is uh, this was a commissioned piece because I

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Speaker 1: remember very distinctly, uh, all of this going on when

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Speaker 1: I was younger and paying pretty close attention as a

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Speaker 1: music fan what was happening, and not getting as a

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Speaker 1: kid that it was it meant more than an explicit

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Speaker 1: lyrics label, right, you know, there was more at stake.

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Speaker 1: But also as a kid, you probably were exclusively like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, they can't do that. That's not cool, that

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Speaker 1: censorship without understanding the nuance of that the other position

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Speaker 1: as well. Right, Uh, No, I was too young to

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Speaker 1: spout so see things like that. Right, so you're just

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Speaker 1: like flipping off, like newspaper pictures of Tipper Gore in

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Speaker 1: your bedroom. No, I mean I was I was little.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was like eleven or twelve. I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't a discerning reader of the newspaper. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know who Tippergore was. You didn't know, are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: she was on like Donna Hue and all these shows

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Speaker 1: of this whole thing. Yeah, I knew who Tipper Core was.

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Speaker 1: Not to imply that I was anymore discerning than you

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Speaker 1: were as far as reading newspaper. And I knew her name,

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Speaker 1: but I certainly had no idea who she was or

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Speaker 1: what any of this meant at that age. Well, some

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Speaker 1: people say knowing her name and by proxy her husband's

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Speaker 1: name was the whole point of all this, but we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that later. Yeah. So the Parents Music Resource Center, Um, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was sort of an extension of the

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Speaker 1: grand tradition of adults saying that new music is bad

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Speaker 1: It's this chamber music amadeus. Maybe it's quite possible, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it all we we should do an episode just

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Speaker 1: the PMRC in this case. Uh In nine, when Tipper

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Speaker 1: Gore's daughter. I think she was eleven. Um turned on

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Speaker 1: because it's a it's a great song. It is a

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Speaker 1: Prince is trying to humiliate his girlfriend who he's just struck, um,

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Speaker 1: a it's a song to humiliator. Right on its own,

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Speaker 1: it also has context that Tippergore didn't have at her

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Speaker 1: I don't remember I didn't own this book. You didn't

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Speaker 1: I might have done a some sort of school thing

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Speaker 1: Raising PG Kids in an X Rated Society and uh.

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Speaker 1: brought to worship or hail Satan as a result. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she Uh, I don't know, it's kind of a lot

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Speaker 1: of this is surprising. It is very surprising, and it's

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Speaker 1: to make al Gore a prominent national figure. That's what

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Speaker 1: the zeitgeist that that was the whole basis of the

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Speaker 1: a statewide association letter that basically said, Hey, Recording Industry

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Speaker 1: you should have a voluntary system of ratings. Uh, kind

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Speaker 1: What's the big deal, right, And they're like, call us back,

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Speaker 1: If you have, like a an album that specifically says

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Speaker 1: Mike Love of the Beach Boys, which is just further

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Speaker 1: That was Dennis Wilson. Okay, why is my clove a jerk?

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Speaker 1: Because God made him that way. He's just that way. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he's a notorious I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Just google Mike Love jerk and go down the rabbit

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Speaker 1: hole of of stories about this guy. Does he yell

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Speaker 1: like at basketball players courtside and stuff like that kind

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Speaker 1: of jerk? He's just you just go read some articles.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's just a jerk. I wish I had already.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, it does not surprise me that he gave

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars to kick off the PMRC. But what

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Speaker 1: was very interesting at the time. The recording industry was suffering,

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Speaker 1: a bit with the fact that UM cassette tapes were

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Speaker 1: like when Tenacious D's first album came out, he said

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Speaker 1: his whole family loved it, but he made um. He

428
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: made a version of it without one of the songs.

429
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Speaker 1: And I know it's so, but you do um for

430
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Speaker 1: his kids so they can enjoy Tenacious D. But they

431
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: weren't ready for this other song. D Snyder is basically

432
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: one of the top heroes of this if not the

433
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Speaker 1: top hero of this whole thing. Yeah, sure, um, And

434
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Speaker 1: do you remember we met him kind of said high,

435
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: oh wait, where was that? The Whatever show with Alexis

436
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: and Jennifer was on at the same time as us.

437
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: That's right, yep, because he was in Rock of Ages,

438
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: so he was on. I totally forgot about that. It

439
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: was It was wonderful. One of them was Martha Stewart's daughter.

440
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: Alexis was interesting. Yeah, totally forgot about that whole thing

441
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, uh Madonna dress you up? Yeah, Madonna.

442
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: If you read quotes from her about this, she's like, yeah, whatever,

443
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: it's like a Tuesday for me. The band Wasp, if

444
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: you remember them, we are sex perverts, is what WASP

445
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: stands for. They were like a proto guir kind of

446
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: and please don't kill me if you're a guar faint

447
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: and I'm way off it makes sense to outsiders. Did

448
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: that really stand for that or was that like kids

449
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: in Satan's Service? No, that's what it stood for. They

450
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: were like there was like a big stage show and

451
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: like human black lawless right, yes, and he remember he

452
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: wore a cod piece that shot out. It was wired

453
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: to pyrotechnics and like shot sparks out. There was also

454
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: a cod piece with like a saw I think a

455
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: chainsaw on it, okay, kind of like a presage that

456
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: whole horrible scene in seven. I think I think the one,

457
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: the way he was approaching was a little more funny

458
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: and just kind of lighthearted than the seven one. Uh

459
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: So their song animal, sex, language, and violence, it covered

460
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: all three, but not a cult, no no, no occult,

461
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: def Leppard, high and dry, parentheses, Saturday Night it was

462
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: about drinking, all right, uh and they even said like, yeah,

463
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: it's about drinking. People like to have fun on Saturday Night.

464
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Speaker 1: Sometimes um Merciful Fate into the Coven and I think

465
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: was um King Diamond's band originally, Yes, he was Merciful

466
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: Fate singer. So they there's was a cult, and it

467
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: was like overtly occult stuff like come come serve Satan

468
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: with me. It's fun, kill your parents kind of thing,

469
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: but don't really, your little psychotic sixteen year old, this

470
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: is not for real. This is just music and I'm

471
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Speaker 1: trying to sell records by banning my face. Plus also,

472
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Speaker 1: one of the other points that I think a lot

473
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Speaker 1: of people made too was you're not gonna find Merciful

474
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Speaker 1: Fates into the coven on Casey Caysum's Top forty ever,

475
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: like you would really have to go find this thing. Yeah,

476
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: there were no songs on the radio. And even if

477
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Speaker 1: you do find it, well, then if your kids listening

478
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: to Merciful Fate, have a conversation with your kid about

479
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: what they're listening to and what Merciful Fate saying and

480
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: just how real or non real it is to engage

481
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Speaker 1: your child. And also, um, you will not be the

482
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Speaker 1: one parent in the history of the world that stops

483
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: your child from listening to or watching something that they

484
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Speaker 1: want to listen to or watch. Yeah, when it's impossible.

485
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: When License the Ill came out, um, I knew like

486
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: every word on the album front to back, and uh

487
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: one of them. I was singing it out loud to

488
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: my parents about smoking that dust at St. Anthony's Feast

489
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: and they were like it was funny. They didn't say

490
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: anything immediately, but they did look at each other, and

491
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: like a day or two later, they approached me and like, Josh,

492
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: you know that song, that BC Boys song where they're

493
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: talking about smoking dust? Are they talking about Angel dust PCP?

494
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: And I was like I don't know, probably, and they're like,

495
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: you can't listen to that anymore. Yeah, And but that's

496
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: one of the points though, that it makes in this

497
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: article is that like a kid probably doesn't know. And

498
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: I think research has even shown that lyrically, people are

499
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: more prone to bring their own experience into something, especially kid. Well. Also,

500
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: I legitimately remember I can put myself back at that

501
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: time and hearing that I wasn't like angel does time

502
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: a try. That's a great idea. I really didn't think

503
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: like that, and I think most people don't. Ironically, if

504
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: you're under the influence of angel dust, then lyrics are

505
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: super suggestive, probably, but you have to do the angel

506
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: dust first. Uh. Sabbaths trashed obviously about drugs and alcohol.

507
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: That's not Osborne or Dio Sabbath either. It's not either

508
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: one of those who ian Gill him now I don't

509
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: even know. I had to look him up. It's fine.

510
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: It sounds a bit like um, a little more melodic

511
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: motor head Okay, it sounds motor heady. It's not my

512
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of Sabbath. Mary Jane girls in my house. I

513
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know anything about that dude that's been in my

514
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: head all day. Yeah, I don't know that girl. Is it?

515
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: What is it in my house. Is it rapper? Is

516
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: it in my house? Well, that doesn't clue me in anymore.

517
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: It's not rap. It's the Mary Jane Girls. Um. They

518
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: were like a girl girl group that Rick James put

519
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: together super eighties like sexy. Um, it's fine, like it

520
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: like it wouldn't you would not bat an eyelash over

521
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: it today. Venom possessed, never heard of a cult. And

522
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: then finally this is Cindy law her with her very

523
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: famous masturbation song she Bop So you know it's about masturbation. No, okay,

524
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: until I read the words today and I'm like, oh,

525
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: well that's about masturbation. Yes, she said that she she

526
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: like Bapa Day kept the doctor away, so she was

527
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: recommending it and that's why she made that song. I

528
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: got the impression she's a little embarrassed as an adult

529
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: for having released that song, but not apologetic. No, she

530
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Cyndy Lauper apologizes to no man. We saw a show

531
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: of hers once. She's good concert. Yeah, I um, you

532
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: know I went to that christ that Halloween party of

533
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: hers one time. No in the nineties. My she has

534
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: big Halloween bash every year at her place in New

535
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: York and my friend John Abraham was a member of

536
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: the fan club, and I think you could get like

537
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: early tickets or something. Oh that's cool. So you got

538
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: us all tickets and we went and I met Cyndy

539
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: lawpers party to her Halloween party, which was so much fun.

540
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: She's um, like, she spends a lot of time and

541
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: money like helping out l g B t Q youth

542
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: who have been kicked out onto the street by this. Yeah,

543
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: it's like a legitimately great person. Yeah, she's totally and

544
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: talented to very much. So she pops Cindy, that's right.

545
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Uh So that's the Filthy fifteen, that's what they trotted out. Um,

546
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: and this is when I guess we need to get

547
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: in a little bit to the fact that it seems

548
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: sort of okay even me as apparent now to be like, well,

549
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: you know what, there's nothing wrong with a rating system

550
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 1: because as a parent you want to know what's going on,

551
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: and that just helps us. That's a bit of shorthand

552
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: for us. But um, it wasn't a voluntary thing because

553
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: very on what started happening is uh, they started people

554
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: started doing interviews and on the PMRC, people in the government,

555
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: and it was clear that they were trying to get

556
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: get be rid of this stuff. Well, yeah, get it

557
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: out of stores, them out of business. Yeah, kind of that,

558
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: like we have. They have different views in ours. We

559
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: don't like it. They considered themselves the moral majority, UM,

560
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: which was ascendant thanks to uh basically a pact with

561
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. They helped out Reagan or get Reagan elected,

562
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: and Reagan like made the Christian right, UM very prominent

563
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: in in powerful in American politics in the eighties. And

564
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: there I read this. One of my favorite things to do, Chuck,

565
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: when we're researching stuff like this is to read contemporary

566
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: articles at the time, like they don't know the outcome,

567
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: and they also know tons of details that get lost

568
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: to time over history. But I was reading this like

569
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: long form l a Times article about this whole thing,

570
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: written right smack dab in the middle of it, and um,

571
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: they quoted this one guy who was like, this is

572
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: part of a movement. Like everybody's looking at it, like, um,

573
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: it's just about censoring records. They're like, No, these same

574
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: people tried to get rid of the Last Temptation of Christ.

575
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: They tried to get funding pulled for the National Endowment

576
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: for the Humanities, this is like part of a larger

577
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: thing that they're trying to do, and they're trying to

578
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: sanitize American popular culture to their tastes. And what you

579
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: were saying, I think is that in interviews and at

580
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: the Senate hearings, some of the people on the p

581
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: MRC side, including p m p MRC members, basically said like, yeah,

582
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: we're trying to censor this, which it's one thing if

583
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: you go into it saying that, because then the people

584
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: who are opposed to you know where you stand. But

585
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: the PMRC, their whole position, they talked out of both

586
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: sides of their mouth, and one of the sides of

587
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: the side that they said the loudest was we're not

588
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: trying to censor anything. We're trying to get the record

589
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: industry to do this voluntarily. We just happened to be

590
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: a group, right, We just happened to be married to

591
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: these senators and these congressmen and like these cabinet members um,

592
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: and that has nothing to do with anything. But if

593
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: you look at the context of everything, it was it's voluntary.

594
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: But if you don't do it, we're going to put

595
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: you out of business, or we're going to have the

596
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: government do it, and that is censorship. It's also unconstitutional

597
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: when the government gets into that, that's unconstitutional. And probably

598
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: every single law like this would have been thrown right

599
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: out by the Supreme Court. Yeah, well, which is one

600
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: big reason why this wasn't a law that was never

601
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: legislation proposed. It was always voluntary from a private group

602
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: to a corporation. But Frank Zappa at those hearings said, well,

603
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if this has nothing to do with legislation,

604
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: if this has nothing to do with law, why are

605
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: we holding Senate hearings on a private group trying to

606
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: get a private action, voluntary action undertake him? What are

607
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: we doing here? And he really revealed, like the the

608
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: theater behind the whole thing, I got rid of all

609
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: the set dressing and showed it for what it was,

610
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: which was a stab at censorship. This guy, Jeff Ling,

611
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: part of the PMRC, said do I think it should

612
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: be out of stores? Sure? I do. I think label

613
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: Ling will do that. Another p M MARC member, Sally Nevius, said,

614
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: we want the industry to police itself. If they refuse,

615
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: we're going to look into legal ways to stop what

616
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: we feel is contributing to the delinquencies of miners. Pat

617
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: Boone very famously said that's what the Constitution had in mind,

618
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: self imposed majority approved censorship. Uh so, I mean they

619
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: were blatant about it, about the fact that not only

620
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: were they trying to legislate morality, if it came pushed,

621
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: came to shove, they would try and do that. But uh,

622
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: pet to Pat Boone straight up saying like, yeah, if

623
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: if the majority wants it, sure sensor art, which is

624
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: just really scary. Oh, it is scary. There was a

625
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: woman named Judith Tough who introduced legislation in Maryland for

626
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: record labeling, and um she apparently told Frank Zappa to

627
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: stop worrying about civil rights, which is not a phrase

628
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: you want to go down in history, as is famously saying, yeah,

629
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: and and Frank Zappa is the last person I want

630
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: to say that too. You know, Vince Neil probably would

631
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: have been like, all right, fine, where's the Jack Daniels.

632
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: Uh And even though it was a senator, a Democratic

633
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: senator there named James Exson of Nebraska, and he even said, like,

634
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Well, okay? And I was like, hero,

635
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: Guy's a hero for saying that. No, not a hero

636
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: for saying that he wanted to know because he was

637
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: in favor of of censoring. Yeah, but he he was like,

638
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: there was no legislation on the floor, Like, why is

639
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: it here in front of the commerce I took it

640
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: to mean like he was like, well, what are this is?

641
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: This is this is inappropriate? Then this is not right?

642
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: But no, he was like, well, I thought we were

643
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: here to a censor thing. It turns out did you

644
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: watch the Frank Zappa testimony, Um, it happens in the

645
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: first couple of minutes that whole thing. Oh yeah, I

646
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: watched a lot of this row. I watched it back

647
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: in the day, so I'm too, but rewatched some of it. Um.

648
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: John Denver was great. He was He had the most

649
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: impact of everyone because I think they thought John Denver

650
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: was going to come in there and Pat Boon Mr.

651
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: Squeaky Clean. Yeah, and Pat booned up and he came

652
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: out hard on a couple of things. He was like,

653
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: first of all, you think my song Rocky Mountain Highs

654
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: about smoking dope. It's not like you're wrong. I wrote it.

655
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: It's about feeling the euphoria of nature in the Rockies. Yeah,

656
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: and the Rockies in Colorado. Uh and not only that,

657
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: but um, you shouldn't be doing this. And they were like, wait,

658
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: we called you in here because we thought you might

659
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: be friendly. Committee to Denver and he said, hey, I

660
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: am friendly, I'm John Denver, but you shouldn't be doing

661
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: this and they all clapped. It's funny if you watch

662
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: the Frank Zappa testimony. They introduced him, and my brain

663
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: was like waiting for applause and like cheers, and I

664
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, have to senate here. They don't

665
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: do that there. Um. But so yeah, let's pause for

666
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: a second here and and point something out, chuck. Um.

667
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: We just talked about a Senate hearing where John Denver,

668
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: Frank Zappa, and Dee Snyder from Twisted Sister testified. That's

669
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: a pretty significant Senate hearing and the eighties it is

670
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: it really is. I think it is. I think it's landmark. Now. Um,

671
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: so you want to talk a little more about the

672
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: hearings and then we'll take a break in a little bit. Uh. Okay,

673
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: So the guy who's most frequently actually all three of

674
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: them are, but Frank Zappa really kind of laid it down.

675
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: He brought Moon Unit and Dweezel with him, and uh,

676
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: they were I don't know if they got to testify,

677
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: but they came so that they could testify as concerned

678
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: teens who were worried about their speech. And Frank's apple

679
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: really pointed it out. He said that, first of all,

680
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: I think this is the parents concerned, not the government's concerned. Um,

681
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: and that, uh, I've got four children, two of them

682
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: are here. That was moon Unit Deweesel. Just like saying

683
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: both of their names. I want them to grow up

684
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: in a country where they can think what they want

685
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: to think, be what they want to be, and not

686
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: what somebody's wife or somebody in government makes them be.

687
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: It's is pretty pretty wise words, although he does say

688
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: there's a little watchword in there. Wife. Wife got thrown

689
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: around a lot during this from the opposing side, and

690
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: it just danced along the edge of being denigrading. I think, like,

691
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: you're a Washington wife, stay in your lane, don't worry

692
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: about big stuff like this. You know, almost kind of

693
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: smacked of it whenever it came up Washington wives or

694
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: wives or ladies. It just seemed just just kind of denigrating.

695
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Here there go back and list and you'll see it.

696
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I heard heard it, but I had a different take

697
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: than you did. Yeah, um and Frank Zapp actually was

698
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: mislabeled too. Later he had a a word lyric free

699
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: instrumental album that was tagged with explicit lyric because somebody

700
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: in a record store was like, oh yeah, he testified

701
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: against the p MRC. Man, it's so sad. What's going

702
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: on with his family? What's going on with his family?

703
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: Just in fighting, divided side suing each other. Oh yeah,

704
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: it's awful. Our Moon union, Deweezel on the same side

705
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: are opposing sides. I believe, um man, I went down

706
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole on this not too long ago. I

707
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: think Dweezel, well, I know Dweezel and I Met are

708
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: completely on opposite sides. And I think I Met and

709
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: the mom have control of I think the mom's dead. No, no,

710
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: I think they're in control of a catalog and we're like,

711
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: you can't play Dad's music anymore. Uh. And so I

712
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: think Dweezel and Moon I think are on one side

713
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: and there's another sister. But yeah, it's a complete house divided.

714
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: That's sad. It's really sad. Oh yeah, it's all money,

715
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 1: all right. Let's take a break because I'm bummed out

716
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: now and shoot, all right, we're back. We shook off

717
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: the whole Zeppa drama. Well now it's back again. So

718
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: part of the problem here with these stickers was and

719
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: is that, Um, well, it's there's a few things. First

720
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: of all, what we've been talking about with misinterpreting these lyrics,

721
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: you've got somebody else deciding, well, this is what this

722
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: person meant when they wrote it, so it deserves a sticker,

723
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: whether it's John Denver or Twisted Sister. With their song

724
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: under the Blade, it was about you know, the guitarists

725
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: for that band was having throat surgery and was scared.

726
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: So d Snyder wrote a song about that being scared

727
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: going into surgery and going under the blade. And they

728
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: thought it was a song about like killing people with

729
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: a knife. So that's a big problem. That's a big

730
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: problem in and of itself. While you get past that

731
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: by training somebody, right, I mean you, You you find

732
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: a an elite group of people who have all studied

733
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: comparative literature extensively, probably of doctorates in it, and you

734
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: pay them a significant amount of money to work at

735
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: each record label to go through the songs that come

736
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: out and decide which ones deserved songs that come out

737
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: each year. Right, that's what you do. And that's what

738
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: they did, right, Okay they did, and I knew they

739
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: didn't know, And it's funny to go back that under

740
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: the blade thing. Uh. The Snyder very famously was like that,

741
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: that's not about B D s M. That is all

742
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: in Tipper Goore's mind. Apparently, Well, and I got mad,

743
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: He got really mad. Oh yeah, he was livid in

744
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: the series in this hearing. Yeah yeah, I didn't see

745
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: that part. Yeah, he was really ticked off at d Snyder.

746
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, de Snyder said that, and that became kind

747
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: of a talking point. Um on the opposing side was

748
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: like basically painting Tipper Gore is like this lascifious, like

749
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: like pent up housewife who like couldn't couldn't, couldn't stop

750
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: herself from talking about B D s M and things

751
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: like that. Um. And then not just not just Tipper,

752
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: but also some of the other people. UM, they were

753
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of painted as people who were just basically getting

754
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: off on talking about this stuff on the Today Show

755
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: or Good Morning America, which like just brings him right

756
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: up to the line between like earnestness and performance art,

757
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: and like they were they were almost saying like these

758
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: people are are like putting you on, almost because I

759
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: mean the idea that somebody's walking around getting off on

760
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: it's just such a cartoonish, Freudian sketch of a person

761
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: that But that's is this is where the talking points

762
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: were on both sides, Princes talking about Darling Nikki masturbating.

763
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: All you wanna do is talk about masturbating in the

764
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: in the in the mass media, and it was basically

765
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: verbatim quotes is what I just said. Well, I mean,

766
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: that's the irony of it all is the word masturbata

767
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: probably not been used that much in public like ever

768
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: right then because of these hearings, and certainly not only

769
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: not on Good Morning America or anything like that. But

770
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: it was the very people who were decrying it who

771
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: were the ones that were bringing it to the masses.

772
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: Oh dear a few more songs. Azzie's Uh Suicide Solution song,

773
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: which is anti suicide about alcoholism, was promoted by the

774
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: PMRC as a suicide encouraging song. So they're just getting

775
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: it all wrong. They are so okay, So you've got

776
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: a subjective thing by definition, judging lyrics and interpreting them

777
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: is pretty subjective. Subjective, you're not going to go to

778
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: the trouble of of training people to do this job correctly.

779
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: At least you're going to come up with a set

780
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: of coherent criteria and guidelines that can be applied across

781
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: the board. Right now, they didn't do any of that,

782
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: and it wasn't applied across the board because in the end,

783
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: uh and this was a survey in Portland, Oregon only.

784
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Let's say we could extrapolate this across the country. UM,

785
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: eight percent of CDs and cassettes total had parental advisory stickers.

786
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: Rap albums, heavy metal, one percent, mainstream pop, and no

787
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: country albums had stickers, which is pretty rich considering there's

788
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: a guy named David allen Coe and Hank Jr. And

789
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: Walk Tass and all that. All they said saying about

790
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: was drinking and doing drugs again in fights and stuff. Yeah,

791
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: but sex violence and drugs and drinking yep, yep, And

792
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: they had zero parental advisory So that's smacked of all

793
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: And again that's an extremely narrow sample record stores in Portland, Oregon,

794
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: but it gets across some people's points on the opposing

795
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: side like, no, this isn't this isn't about like values,

796
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: it's about what they're threatened by. They're threatened by like

797
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: rap music and heavy metal. They're okay with everything else.

798
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: And this is proof positive of that. They probably didn't

799
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: even run the country songs through the process. That'd be

800
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: my guess. I'm sure they just targeted groups, you know.

801
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: So finally, um, well, like we said, they already are

802
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: a a had already decided pre hearing that they were

803
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: going to do this, and they said, all right, we're

804
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna figure this out. Should just take us about five years.

805
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: And what the plan may have been was like maybe

806
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 1: this will all just go away. I think that, yeah,

807
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: that was part of it. But I think also, um,

808
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: they realized that like they were gonna, they were gonna

809
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: have to it would stem off that legislation, and it worked.

810
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: If you read some of the contemporary reports with legislators

811
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: who brought legislation to their state houses, they say, well,

812
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: since they agreed to play ball, we're sending our bill,

813
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: but we've got it over here if they don't end

814
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: up playing ball after all. So it really did work.

815
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: But they did it like a couple of days or

816
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before the UM the committee, the

817
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: Commerce Committee voted on the tape tax, and the r

818
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: A didn't get their tape tax. No, they did not, UM.

819
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: But what did happen was the stickers in March started

820
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: coming out. Remember going to the store and seeing those

821
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: for the first time. I gotta buy that one. Well,

822
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of what happened too. In some cases. Do

823
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: you know what the first album that had the first

824
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: sticker was? Was there a first album? If you could guess, yes,

825
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: if you could guess what album that came out in

826
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: just guess who would have gotten the first explicit lyrics.

827
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Jan's Addiction to Live Crew, Oh of course,

828
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: Banned in the USA was the first album to get

829
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: an explicit lyrics sticker. Yeah, And so you know, these

830
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: stickers started coming out and I had a had a

831
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: ripple effect in a big way, but in a lot

832
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: of ways, UM. Everything from Steven Tyler getting on stage

833
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: and saying thank you, Chipper Gore because you throw some

834
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: four letter words on an album and now you're gonna

835
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: get another million in sales because kids were looking to

836
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: buy those records. It just it's forbidden fruit all the

837
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: way to the other side of the coin, which is

838
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: Walmart or certain states, saying we're not even going to

839
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: carry these records. That was part of it. In stores,

840
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: it also became an easy target for local law enforcement

841
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: that decided that they were going to enact their own laws,

842
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: like UM in Broward County, Florida, which is around Miami

843
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: where Miami is UM, the Brower County Sheriff sent out

844
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: some deputies with their badges full uniform to go buy

845
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: record stores and said, Hey, just wanted to give you

846
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: a friendly little heads up. If you guys sell any

847
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: more of those two Live Crew albums, we're gonna arrest you.

848
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: We don't want to, but we wanted to give your

849
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: heads up. First. Two Live Crew found out about it,

850
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: and we're like, m that's prior restraint on free speech.

851
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: And they won. They won in the Supreme Court actually,

852
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: but this kind of thing, it was like, as as

853
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: the Grabster put it, the censors were emboldened by the

854
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: the the um. The response from the PMRC's album and

855
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: these labels were Hey, go after these guys and not

856
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: just the records. Like when artists came to town, they

857
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: would get arrested for their performances. In nine performers were

858
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: arrested in Georgia alone for their concerts. Yeah, from Bobby

859
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Brown to Gene Simmons. Yeah, And that's what D Snyder

860
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: and that that sort of thirty years later things said,

861
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: is you know, it worked in one way because they sequestered,

862
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: which is maybe all they wanted was they sequestered a

863
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: certain group of artists from the rest. And that sequestration,

864
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: like you said, range from now they can they're following

865
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: where they're touring and cops are gonna show up there

866
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: to uh, Walmarn't saying not not going to carry this

867
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: unless you change this album cover or this lyric or

868
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: the song title to something ridiculous like Nirvana's song rape

869
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: Me was very famously changed on the album the title

870
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: to wait for Me. Nothing about the song, but they

871
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't change the song itself. But if you look on

872
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: the back of that in utero, mcumbers says wait for Me,

873
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: but it's even like crossed out and they're written in

874
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: sharp wave. It's not, but it should have been. Uh

875
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: so it you know, it had a big ripple effect

876
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. People were um and and

877
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: I guess before this they had always had radio safe

878
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: versions of some songs. Well, yeah, you just weren't gonna

879
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: get radio play, right, But now it's like the albums

880
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: need to be like radio safe or else Walmart won't

881
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: sell them or whatever. That's a big retailer, it was

882
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: even back then. Um So, so there was a negative,

883
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: that slippery slope that the PMRC had had carried the

884
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: nation across. We started to slide down it and actual

885
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: legitimate censorship took place as a result. And then the

886
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: way that all of this happened, the way it was

887
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: able to happen, was because there was a gatekeeper. There

888
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: was a funnel for the record industry to the public,

889
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: and the PMRC was able to go to them and say,

890
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: you've got something, We've got something you want, you've got

891
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: something we want. We're gonna make this happen. And just

892
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: by the fact that the record industry is not like

893
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: it was back then, they're no longer the gatekeepers. Like,

894
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: if you make music, you can sell directly to your

895
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: your fans. Um you've got some you know, a few

896
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: digital platforms that that do some kind of explicit stuff

897
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: and and or labeling or something, and there it's there

898
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: and I think if you still can buy a record,

899
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody still bought like physical CDs or whatever,

900
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: but it can still come with a sticker. Um. But

901
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: it's just changed. It's just different. And if you listen

902
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: to stuff today and then you listen to that filthy fifteen,

903
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: you're like, you're you've got to be kidding me. So

904
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: it's almost like the the the PMRC went and put

905
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: their finger in a dike that didn't even really need it,

906
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: and in doing so, they exploded in the floodgates. The

907
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: flood just came and overwhelmed them. And just by the

908
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: number of of of songs that were released and the

909
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: amount of just filthiness that was attendant in those songs,

910
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: it's just it became normalized rather than the exact opposite,

911
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: which is what the PMRC was was working for. Yeah,

912
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: And what what didn't happen is our generation, which was

913
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: the generation of the seventies and eighties. It turns out

914
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: we did not grow up to just be a bunch

915
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: of degenerates. Well, that was going to be the ruin

916
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: of our country. It's true though, because of music, and

917
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: I think that that is ultimately like what what parents

918
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: tell themselves they're really worried about is that their their

919
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: kids going to become morally unhygienic and the country will

920
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: go down the hill one way or another. But but

921
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it just doesn't seem to pan out ever,

922
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: despite it being such an ongoing and old worry. You know,

923
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: jazz was going to be the end of moral society

924
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: then rock and roll, that's true, although I have to

925
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: say the p MRC did give us Glenn Danzig's song Mother,

926
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: which is apparently an O two Tipper Gore in the PMRC. Really,

927
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: if you go and read the lyrics, you're like, Okay,

928
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: PMRC was in a bunch of songs. I mean, those

929
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: those four letters appeared in a lot of rock and

930
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: roll songs, hip hop songs. They got a lot of attention,

931
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: and maybe that's all they wanted. Well, we just gave

932
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: him some more. Well they're no longer around. They they

933
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: broke up the band in the nineties. And do you

934
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: know when do you know when Tipper quit uh became

935
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: vice president? Yeah? And then now you can see her

936
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: sitting in with the Grateful Dead on drums smoking grass.

937
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: All she talks about his grass. Now, if you want

938
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: to know more about the p MRC. Well, I don't

939
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: think there is anything more to know, but go look

940
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: around read some contemporary articles. It's fun. And since I

941
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: said contemporary articles, it is time for listener mail. I'm

942
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: gonna call this short and sweet. Remember in the Olive

943
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: Oil episode, I said something about Greeks and Italians, like

944
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: what's the difference? I got support on that from a

945
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: Greek aleman. Apparently it's a thing, he said. I think

946
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: you'll be pleased Chuck to find out that you didn't

947
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: offend anyone when you said Greeks and Italians are the same.

948
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: In fact, there's actually a phrase una faccia raza or

949
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: in Greek mia fatsa mia razza, meaning one face, one race,

950
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: often used to express the perception of close cultural affinities

951
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: between Greeks and Italians. Keep keep up the good work, guys.

952
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: That is from Nick Kantos. Well done, Chuck, and I

953
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: bets you. Nick Kantos is Greek. I'm good. Hey, it

954
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, yeah, don't um. Well thanks a lot, Nick,

955
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: that was very nice email in the sind to support

956
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: Chuck because I left him hanging high and dry. Um,

957
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with US. You

958
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: can go onto our website stuff you Should Know dot

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Speaker 1: com and you'll find our social links all over the place.

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00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,040
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961
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: dot com and you can send me, Chuck and Jerry

962
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Speaker 1: an email at Stuff podcast at how stuff Works dot com.

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