Speaker 1: Here is it happens and they get the touchdown. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here's Montgomery touchdown and now one time out like Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham down Poles and Joe Catch Crab touchdown. Brady is
Speaker 1: taken down to Leio mac four down five, Brady pass
Speaker 1: is broken up in complete, and the Chicago Bears are
Speaker 1: gonna take over. That's right, the Chicago Bears. They're taking
Speaker 1: over the entire country. Get on the Nick Foles Express.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal with James Palmer on this Thursday night
Speaker 1: recap with the Bears winning twenty to nineteen over the Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: and James, I thought this was one of the most
Speaker 1: entertaining games of the year. I would it right there
Speaker 1: with the with the rust versus Cam showed down a
Speaker 1: little bit of defense, a little bit different, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know what was gonna happen. I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: You don't You don't seem as impressed with the Bears
Speaker 1: and Buccaneers and what they gave it down down the strategy, right,
Speaker 1: it was entertaining. But like you mentioned, Nick Foles, everybody
Speaker 1: jump on the Nick Foles train. Like I don't know
Speaker 1: how many text messages from my boys back home in Philly,
Speaker 1: are gonna send me going? I told you we should
Speaker 1: have never let Foles go. I mean because I still
Speaker 1: get those texts like every week, But I mean the
Speaker 1: way him and Brady played. I don't think anybody's getting
Speaker 1: a statue built out in front of a stadium like
Speaker 1: the last time they squared off, because Nick Foles got
Speaker 1: one after he beat Brady. Between the two of them,
Speaker 1: I don't think you want play out of this world.
Speaker 1: And the sloppy is kind of just slowed the pace
Speaker 1: for me. The end saved it. I think that that
Speaker 1: that's fair. So there was a ton of penalties. There's
Speaker 1: a ten ton of sloppy plays. There could have been
Speaker 1: about six Knicks Nick Foles interceptions, So you I don't
Speaker 1: think your buddies should be texting after this game. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Bears had under two dred yards of offense um.
Speaker 1: But it was a fascinating game, I thought, just because
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how it was gonna go the whole time.
Speaker 1: I think there's five lead changes and you expected there
Speaker 1: to be a six. So let's start there. The Bucks
Speaker 1: get the ball back um with under a minute thirty
Speaker 1: to go. Brady all he needs to do is get
Speaker 1: them into field goal range. The first you know play
Speaker 1: of the drive is a perfect twelve yard throw where
Speaker 1: Mike Evans gets out of bounds. There's about a minute
Speaker 1: six left. Like everyone watching at that point, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: the Bucks are going to win this game, and they
Speaker 1: did not go in this game? Now what what I'd
Speaker 1: like to go back a little bit behind it though,
Speaker 1: like why were the Bears throwing the ball? I mean
Speaker 1: Brady should have honestly had probably less time to work
Speaker 1: with if you look at the bears previous drive, I
Speaker 1: don't understand throwing it those last couple of times. Um,
Speaker 1: to me, you were trying to you know, it's Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: You should try to take as much time as you can.
Speaker 1: And and to me, I was curious about a couple
Speaker 1: of the throws are I do know the way the
Speaker 1: kicking history is in Chicago. I think that was part
Speaker 1: of it that does that does exist, and I know
Speaker 1: that plays into it. But we should break down this because,
Speaker 1: I mean, Brady putting the I first thought Brady screaming
Speaker 1: at his offensive line on the sideline was going to
Speaker 1: be the most entertaining clip that we saw from this game.
Speaker 1: But I think the reason why it was fun yeah,
Speaker 1: and then then four yeah. Tom Brady does not realize
Speaker 1: after he throws an incompletion seemed to kind of be
Speaker 1: in between receivers. I think that one was to break
Speaker 1: that he was out of downs. He had to ask
Speaker 1: the official he thought he had another down, a senior
Speaker 1: moment for the forty three year old, like in the
Speaker 1: in the in the I'm not gonna put too much
Speaker 1: into this. They're missing some players, but he he has
Speaker 1: said it, you don't really experience, um, You're only gonna
Speaker 1: gain that chemistry and you get you are around this
Speaker 1: team more than anyone. In August, he says, those are
Speaker 1: the things a lot he lives for moments like this,
Speaker 1: and these are the moments where you want to build
Speaker 1: that chemistry. And the Bucks sort of fell short and
Speaker 1: he did too, not not knowing because who knows if
Speaker 1: he would have made a different decision on that play
Speaker 1: if he had known it was a fourth down exactly,
Speaker 1: And we don't know. All of it is new, right Greg,
Speaker 1: like the communication what is Byron telling him in his year?
Speaker 1: You know, is that something that McDaniels says every single time?
Speaker 1: You know, you would think at forty three and Tom
Speaker 1: Brady's career. He would know the downs, but all of
Speaker 1: it is new in terms of the communication from the
Speaker 1: headset back to Brady, how the play comes in, how
Speaker 1: the communication, the chemistry goes with him and his teammates.
Speaker 1: The one the first play is Mike Evans. That's who
Speaker 1: he's really grown the chemistry with. But look at who
Speaker 1: else is out there. There are only a couple of
Speaker 1: games into that. Every time I talked to Byron, every
Speaker 1: time I, you know, Tom Brady addresses us, it's we're
Speaker 1: learning all of this for the first time, but this
Speaker 1: is the first time we're going through X. This is
Speaker 1: the first time we're experiencing why. But the other part
Speaker 1: of this is you would have loved to see Brady
Speaker 1: go through this with who we think will be the
Speaker 1: guys he's going to down the stretch and into a
Speaker 1: playoff run. No Chris Godwin, no really Leonard for Nett,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans could barely run out there and was playing
Speaker 1: on pretty much one leg. He's now lost O. J.
Speaker 1: Howard and Cameron. Brad's first catch up the season was
Speaker 1: a touchdown a year ago. Now, he's had really good
Speaker 1: chemistry with Brayton camp, but he has barely been on
Speaker 1: the field. Scotty Miller was leading this team and receiving,
Speaker 1: but he came into this game banged up with a
Speaker 1: hip and a groin injury. He was pretty much insignificant today.
Speaker 1: So he's going to guys that he hasn't really gone
Speaker 1: to before. But the whole operation of it is something
Speaker 1: that we probably wanted to see better. Right Obviously, not
Speaker 1: forgetting the downs, I think that's probably part of it, um,
Speaker 1: but the operation of that final drive. We do want
Speaker 1: to see them take a step now that they're you know,
Speaker 1: a quarter of the way into the year. I've been
Speaker 1: with them, you know, every single game this season, and
Speaker 1: it's been they've grown here, they learned this, We've seen
Speaker 1: the know. The biggest thing to me is the red
Speaker 1: zone between Mike Evans and Tom Brady has been perhaps
Speaker 1: the biggest growth that they've had. The nonverbal communication with
Speaker 1: the two of them down there is brilliant. It's a
Speaker 1: head nod, it's a wave, it's it's something, and they
Speaker 1: change the play and they've been great down there. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he really had everybody at his disposal.
Speaker 1: But everything is new. We wanted to see probably something
Speaker 1: better come out of it, and obviously Brady probably wanted
Speaker 1: something better out of himself. It's a really good point.
Speaker 1: His leading receiver tonight who looked good was Tyler Johnson,
Speaker 1: and then Gronk was second. And and Gronk was like,
Speaker 1: you know hit you know, going for balls that weren't
Speaker 1: actually intended for him and was you know, a target
Speaker 1: on the on the second to last play of the game.
Speaker 1: And he's not moving well, I mean, I'm a little
Speaker 1: I'm almost a little bummed out, like watching Gronk lumbering
Speaker 1: down the field when they set up a nice screen
Speaker 1: for him, and it's just everything looks a little bit awkward.
Speaker 1: But the reason it's disappointing, I think is in the
Speaker 1: context of the game, because they moved the ball well
Speaker 1: in the first half. Um, you know, they were in
Speaker 1: control if not for a fumble, uh you know by
Speaker 1: who you know by one of the receivers was Hudson
Speaker 1: or Mickens that had the fumble right well, Keishawn Vaughan
Speaker 1: got popped right before that, after the rocky running back,
Speaker 1: Keishawn von gets drilled. It's very similar to the play
Speaker 1: that when the opposite direction of them against the Chargers
Speaker 1: a week ago, right the rookie, another rookie, Josh Kelly,
Speaker 1: ends up fumbling the exchange with Justin Herbert and sent
Speaker 1: them up to a touchdown right before the half and
Speaker 1: flips the momentum. And I think it kind of happened
Speaker 1: in reverse in this game. It did. But so the
Speaker 1: Bucks looked more in control. Their defense for the most part,
Speaker 1: played well. But there's been some recurring issues with this
Speaker 1: Buck's team. Number one, like the penalties. Like a lot
Speaker 1: of these games, they have a lot of penalties. Tonight
Speaker 1: was sloppy. You saw Brady going crazy. But the thing
Speaker 1: that surprised me more, and this is where we should
Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to the to the Bears,
Speaker 1: is you know, Brady gets the ball back with under
Speaker 1: three minutes to go, in the lead still at that point,
Speaker 1: and they go three and out. They spend sixteen seconds.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna kill him for throwing two of those downs,
Speaker 1: just like I'm actually not gonna kill Matt Naggy for
Speaker 1: killing I know everyone else in the world, including you,
Speaker 1: to start this is killing him for being aggressive, but
Speaker 1: they were. They were trying to win the game there,
Speaker 1: and yes, it would have gotten it down. You know,
Speaker 1: are you gonna run two times to set up a
Speaker 1: long field goal to make them use the timeouts? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know to get to forty secons or you try
Speaker 1: to win the game. And they tried to win the
Speaker 1: game to their best player, Alan Robinson. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: totally kill him there. I'm gonna kill the Bucks a
Speaker 1: line a little bit, just because I'm so surprised. Um,
Speaker 1: they've played so awesome. I really respect this guy. Brandon
Speaker 1: Thorn on Twitter, who watches more, you know, offensive line
Speaker 1: tape than anyone. He had three Bucks on his All
Speaker 1: Pro team through a quarter of the season. He hadn't
Speaker 1: worth Jensen and Mark pet Now I think most people
Speaker 1: would agree with with Jensen and mar Pet in the middle.
Speaker 1: He said there's been injuries at right tackle and he
Speaker 1: hadn't seen anyone better than worse. So he's been a
Speaker 1: good pick. But tonight he got a lesson in peak
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and the Bears defense, to me is one
Speaker 1: of the five or six best defense in the league.
Speaker 1: I would put the Bucks in that category too, But
Speaker 1: tonight it was kind of the Max Show. You put
Speaker 1: him against worse. He's creating all sorts of damage. Vita Villa,
Speaker 1: who got um? I mean, rather Kiem Hicks made some
Speaker 1: plays in the middle of this line, and then you
Speaker 1: put Mac on the other side against Smith and he
Speaker 1: kind of wrecked this game in the second half. Like
Speaker 1: this is why you trade all those picks, This is
Speaker 1: why you give all that money, like if it's almost
Speaker 1: any other pass rusher there. But the Bears do not
Speaker 1: win this game. And so this is kind of an
Speaker 1: old school We have a real defense and we're gonna
Speaker 1: be a factor's Chicago Bears team. I don't ever want
Speaker 1: to say Greg that offensive lineman ever read their clippings,
Speaker 1: but maybe the Bucks offensive line, and you know that's
Speaker 1: not a position of guys that go out there and
Speaker 1: and and and and you know, read their clippings. But
Speaker 1: Bruce Aaron's raved about this group after the Chart game,
Speaker 1: I mean, he said it's the best he's seen the
Speaker 1: in years. Not the best you've seen him play like recently,
Speaker 1: He's like, it's the best I've seen our on online
Speaker 1: play in years. And this was completely different. If you
Speaker 1: go back and watch the film Ustin Worth's Joey Bosa,
Speaker 1: he was phenomenal and It's funny that you brought up
Speaker 1: like Mack any other pass rusher, you know, and Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa is not any other pass rusher. And and he
Speaker 1: even made a point to go up to works after
Speaker 1: the game and be like, you are going to be
Speaker 1: a great player. But man, they had they were smart
Speaker 1: to move back around because Donovan Smith has been an
Speaker 1: issue for them at left tackle. They have been upset
Speaker 1: with him early in this season, and he was man
Speaker 1: handled a couple of times. And and the distinct point
Speaker 1: that sticks out to me is the time, remember late
Speaker 1: in the game when he sets out way too wide
Speaker 1: and trake and makes the point to going you can't
Speaker 1: let guys go inside about with a guy like Tom Brady, right,
Speaker 1: you know you want the pass rushers to go inside.
Speaker 1: If you're a guy that moves and rolls out and
Speaker 1: can do things, you can't do that if you are,
Speaker 1: you know, the left tackle for Tom Brady and and
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack wrecked this game. I don't know what it's called.
Speaker 1: You had him one tweet about it. What you what
Speaker 1: you gotta come up with like a nickname for sacking
Speaker 1: the car back and the tackle after he threw twist
Speaker 1: he like hip checked kind of body slammed. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know because I've never done that to um.
Speaker 1: You know, another human other than my son. He's like
Speaker 1: five years old. You know. Sometimes he comes at me,
Speaker 1: I'll throw him on the ground. That was one of
Speaker 1: the most impressive feats of strength I've ever seen. You sack.
Speaker 1: You sack Tom Brady, then then then you want some
Speaker 1: three forty pound guy, you throw him on the ground. Two.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I'm looking at the box score now
Speaker 1: and they the two defensive lines had I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's she's She's Mexican, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: sacked dose is good. But okay, I like what she's
Speaker 1: thrown out there. I'll take it. Um. The two defensive
Speaker 1: lines had similar numbers of the eight quarterbacks hits and
Speaker 1: three sacks. So that's like a great night. But you
Speaker 1: expect that when the Bucks are going against um Nick
Speaker 1: Foles who holds onto the ball and took a lot
Speaker 1: of hits and that that's just sort of the story
Speaker 1: of his career and you're going up a really good
Speaker 1: even You rarely see that with Tom Brady, who who
Speaker 1: usually gets rid of the ball. Uh More quickly. He
Speaker 1: had to just duck into one of the sacks tonight.
Speaker 1: And that's where you see like they're doing well. I've
Speaker 1: watched them a lot, and we'll talk about the Bears
Speaker 1: in the second, but I've seen them be good in spurts,
Speaker 1: and I don't think if you haven't watched the Bucks
Speaker 1: every game, and I know you have, James, so that's
Speaker 1: why I'm asking you, like, I don't think that their
Speaker 1: offense has been quite as good as people think. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they had that big second half against the Charges,
Speaker 1: but that that was kind of it. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: everything solved. That's okay. You can win games with his defense, clearly,
Speaker 1: but they're they're working through some things. They really are.
Speaker 1: And actually that was the opposite of the way the
Speaker 1: first several games win. They were starting so well and
Speaker 1: they were coming out of the gate great, and then
Speaker 1: they weren't finishing. I mean, if you go look at
Speaker 1: the second half numbers for Brady before last week, they're
Speaker 1: there are not good. I mean were they weren't finishing
Speaker 1: games very well at all, and then that game was
Speaker 1: kind of the opposite. I think after that fumble we
Speaker 1: brought up earlier, Brady had a perfect quarterback rating before
Speaker 1: we go. I do want to ask you, like, what's
Speaker 1: your faith in this Nick Foles lad Bears team? Because
Speaker 1: Bears fans like to get in my mentions and say like,
Speaker 1: we don't believe in them enough? And this night had
Speaker 1: a little bit of both, Like I I didn't. I'm
Speaker 1: no more confident in this offense after tonight than I
Speaker 1: was really going into it. And yet you know, they
Speaker 1: find a way to beat a good Bucks team. Uh.
Speaker 1: The one exchange between Matt, Naggie and Nick Foles on
Speaker 1: the sideline is the one that gives me a lot
Speaker 1: of confidence. Honestly, for him, that's the most animated I've
Speaker 1: ever seen him on the sideline, pleading to go up tempo,
Speaker 1: pleading to the coach about this is what we have
Speaker 1: to do. I think that exchange right there between Naggie
Speaker 1: and him, and Maggie listening to him, I think tells
Speaker 1: me a lot about where they are in terms of
Speaker 1: their relationship moving forward. Hi, well, James, you you said
Speaker 1: it off as Dan would say, You're the Bucks of
Speaker 1: the Bucks like Svengali. Right now, you're kind of like
Speaker 1: the Bucks. You're at one with the Bucks. You're using
Speaker 1: Byron Left, which like you got him on a first
Speaker 1: name basis, So just like when I'm talking to Byron yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that he's not on like a
Speaker 1: share level or anything where he's like a one name guy.
Speaker 1: I guess, uh or Goda Byron, Yeah, everybody. I think
Speaker 1: so Byron Left, which the coordinator. It is really weird
Speaker 1: to me that like Byron Left, which is Tom Brady's coordinator, Like,
Speaker 1: didn't he come into the league after Tom Brady? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he absolutely did. I've been trying to convince him to
Speaker 1: come back. He thinks he's got something when they throw
Speaker 1: the ball together. Speaking like Byron Left, which was kind
Speaker 1: of like a younger version of Nick Foles, like he
Speaker 1: was out there taking a beating, like he'll stand in there,
Speaker 1: he'll make some throws, he'll rally the troops. Um um.
Speaker 1: But James, we appreciate you coming on this Thursday night.
Speaker 1: You we shouldn't just have you for Buck's talk. We
Speaker 1: can have you for any talk, and so we'll do
Speaker 1: that down the line this season. We should you know,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's early. It feels late in the season,
Speaker 1: but it's only week five. We will be back on Sunday,
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