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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today is

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Speaker 2: a special episode because there is so many bachelor headlines

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Speaker 2: going on that we wanted to dedicate a whole podcast

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Speaker 2: to it. Ben's here and Ben with the headlines is

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Speaker 2: a kind of about you.

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Speaker 3: Goodness gracious, Yeah, we really wanted to jump on and

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Speaker 3: talk about all of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Should we start with that one?

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Speaker 3: Nah, Let's start with this one. Claire Crawley has a

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Speaker 3: gender reveal and it's a girl.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that? Like I didn't even think that

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Speaker 2: there was a possibility of Claire having a boy, Like

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Speaker 2: in my head she announced that they were having a

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Speaker 2: baby and it was a girl, Like there was there

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Speaker 2: was just there's no way that Claire Crawley is having

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Speaker 3: It is a girl. She has revealed it. Her and

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Speaker 3: her husband are very excited. This is just crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: It really is crazy to me, Ashley that now we

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Speaker 3: sit here and we talk about Claire Crawley being a mother,

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Speaker 3: Like it feels like we were just talking about her

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Speaker 3: having a breakup, and then we talked about how her

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Speaker 3: having a wedding, where like finally it happened, and now

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Speaker 3: she's a mom. It's like Claire has grown up in

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Speaker 3: front of our eyes in the last eighteen months, and

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Speaker 3: it's such a cool thing to see.

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Speaker 2: It's really honest, is when something starts rolling for people,

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Speaker 2: And I love it for her. She has such feminine energy.

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Speaker 2: She's so maternal. I can only imagine how well she'll

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Speaker 2: raise a little woman.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: Should we say how we did it? She did it okay,

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Speaker 2: So it's really cool. I guess like a lot of

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Speaker 2: people do the whole pink cake or blue cake on

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Speaker 2: the inside, but she did it in like such a

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Speaker 2: cool way. You have to see her Instagram. She did

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Speaker 2: it so slowly and it's so artistically the cut of

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Speaker 2: this cake. But she says she knew one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: in her soul that it was going to be a girl.

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Speaker 3: How does how do moms know this, Ashley?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I definitely knew I was gonna have

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Speaker 2: next one's going to be a boy too, Like there's

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Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind. I even refer to him

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Speaker 3: I mean that is just like really crazy because I

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Speaker 3: like the mom always says like, I know it's a boy,

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Speaker 3: and then usually always is. I don't have many gender

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Speaker 3: reveal examples to pull back in my life on, but

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Speaker 3: mom always knows. The dad has no clue, He's just guess.

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Speaker 3: We have some breakup rumors to get to today. We

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Speaker 3: also have an interview with Lauren Lane formerly Lauren Bushnell.

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Speaker 3: She came on Sean's podcast, and Sean did bring that

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Speaker 3: up to us when he came on our podcast talking

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Speaker 3: about his recent developments in life. Let's start with this

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Speaker 3: breakup rumor. Though Greg and Victoria, this is a couple

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Speaker 3: obviously came off of Paradise, Bachelor Nation had let's just say,

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Speaker 3: that they had matching tattoos and they were in love

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Speaker 3: and their relationship blossom from there. But Bachelor Nation fans

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Speaker 2: Well not anymore, okay. So it had been circulating for

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Speaker 2: quite some time because Victoria went seven weeks without posting Greg, which,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, is a really long time when you're

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Speaker 2: and you're known for Josh relationships. So it was on

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Speaker 2: his birthday about seven weeks ago that she said happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: like that you could break up single. Greg is back.

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Speaker 2: But just this week Victoria posted a whole little slide

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Speaker 3: So do you think Ashley knowing this world, knowing the

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Speaker 3: Do you just think they were traveling separately and doing

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Speaker 2: If I were to assume, I would assume that they

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean a lot of the Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 3: couples have gone through rough patches. In fact, Jojo and

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Speaker 3: stay together and make it work. But I think every

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Speaker 3: relationship like it isn't shocking, nor is it a headline.

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Speaker 3: If a couple goes through a tough patch in life

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Speaker 2: It's true. That is so true.

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Speaker 3: Well, this next headline is so speaking. Yeah. So Caitlin

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Speaker 3: and Jason is another couple the Bachelor Nation has increasingly

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Speaker 3: But Caitlin and Jason are rumored to be broken up now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we call this a rough patch

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's probably been rumors speculating since they started.

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Speaker 3: It feels like you're there are always rumors about breakups.

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably been a lot this year because

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Speaker 2: they've been like pretty vocal about not being keen on

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Speaker 3: Does she talk about this on our podcast?

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Speaker 2: I don't know when she's last talked about her relationship

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Speaker 2: this week the two of them were on separate vacations

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm oblivious to the reality or the truth

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Speaker 3: to the situation, but I you know, it was intriguing

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Speaker 3: Now I am at the time you see somebody going

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Speaker 3: It's nice to step away. Now, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: reasoning for that. But she did go to a wellness

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Speaker 3: it was not shocking to me that they didn't post

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Speaker 3: time separated from each other in their relationship, right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Caitlyn went on Dancing with the Stars. She then went

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Speaker 3: social media and she posted this. She posted, I cannot

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Speaker 3: when I haven't even been able to process things for myself.

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Speaker 3: Have a effing heart. You're scaring me with your comments

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Speaker 3: and demands. I'm almost worried about you. She posted this

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Speaker 3: and then took it down. But even if she just said, hey,

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Speaker 3: This is the line that stit out to me. I

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Speaker 3: for myself. So she's processing something that she's not ready

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Speaker 3: to come out publicly with. We're not here to force her.

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Speaker 3: She's not coming on the pot. We're not like, hey,

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Speaker 3: and here's Caitlin to talk about the relationship. But something's

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel bad of obviously, like this is like

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Speaker 2: why fandom, Why guys do you why are you demanding

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Speaker 3: It's not to you. First off, It's kind of similar

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Speaker 3: Don't know what that means. Let's read that again. Got

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Speaker 3: You know, that show was very real for me. I

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Speaker 3: And that's fine. It worked out for both of us

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Speaker 3: what I believe it probably did for her. You know,

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Speaker 3: I cared about Lauren a lot, still care about her.

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Speaker 3: I want to see her thrive in life. I have

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Speaker 3: nothing but good. Really, it's kind of funny. I only

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Speaker 2: That's good, that's so nice.

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00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: But we were we right for each other. Heck no,

435
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm right with Jess, she's right with Chris. Like I'm

436
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 3: glad it played out the way it did. I just

437
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 3: hope within all that, there's not a we're not pushing

438
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: that season aside, because what it did do is it

439
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: helped me see, Hey, what I'm looking for in a

440
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: partner or what I think I need in a partner

441
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: is XYZ And that's what I found in my wife now.

442
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 3: And I'm guessing she did the same thing with Chris.

443
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: So I think the language that maybe we're using around

444
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: the show just feels like they're kind of saying, hey, like,

445
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: wasn't for me whatever, Well, you both ended up with

446
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: the person at the end, and so maybe it was

447
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: for you, But maybe that was part for you. Wasn't

448
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: that you were gonna marry that person? Maybe this was

449
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: a good Maybe you should look back on this time

450
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: and say it was a great stepping stone into finding

451
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 3: your future partner. Maybe it was perfect for you. Maybe

452
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: the Bachelor World was the best thing for you because

453
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: it helped you see and meet your future partners.

454
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: Exactly.

455
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So all in all, I agree with what she's saying.

456
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: My love now feels very differently than it did back then,

457
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: and I'm really glad that I found the love that

458
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: I have today. But I also am very glad that

459
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: I had their relationship I did with her when I

460
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: had it, because it taught me a lot.

461
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: I do you feel like there's a little perspective missing

462
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: from the interview where a lot where a lot of

463
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: what they were saying, like they weren't acknowledging the fact

464
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: that where they are in life, it's most likely happened

465
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: because of the Bachelor.

466
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think all of our lives, even if like

467
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: it exactly, it hasn't affected you at all. Like I

468
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: think even the people who go home week two would say, Hey,

469
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: that Bachelor World like changed the course of my life

470
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: even a little bit, And as a result, now five

471
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: years later, it's changed my life a lot. Like I

472
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 3: think all of us have been impacted because we went

473
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: on a television show and we are maybe recognized by

474
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: one more person, or when we apply for a job

475
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: interview that person says, hey, I saw you on TV

476
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: and I liked you on TV. Let's hire you. Like

477
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,239
Speaker 3: it has an impact, and it's just what you do

478
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: with it. If you see it as this really negative thing,

479
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 3: it's always going to be a negative thing. If you

480
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: try to see that, hey, maybe this brought some good,

481
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: you can start to see the good in it.

482
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: All.

483
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: Right. Another thing I want to bring up to you

484
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: is she imagined that she met Chris while she was

485
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: with you.

486
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: Mm she did say that. M. Yeah yeah, good for them, all.

487
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, majority did you know did you know this?

488
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: I did know this? Yeah, this was very clear to me. Again,

489
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 3: Like I guess I look back on that now. If

490
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: you would have asked me this and you know this

491
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: right like when this podcast started, you to ask me

492
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: some of these questions, like I would have probably been

493
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: frozen and ended up in tears, like I just would have.

494
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: And I'm assuming like she would say the same thing,

495
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: like it was very emotional back then for me. But

496
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: now with where our pasts have gone again, mostly when

497
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: it comes to our relationships and who we are in

498
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: love with and who we're committing to, I look back

499
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 3: now and I'm like, I'm glad it worked out the

500
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: way it did. Maybe it wasn't pretty during the time,

501
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't fun during the time, maybe it didn't

502
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: seem my deal or fair or all those things that

503
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: you can wrap up in this, But you look back

504
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: now and you're like, I'm glad it worked out like this,

505
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: Like this is good. It doesn't mean it didn't come

506
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: without pain. You know the thing that I the thing

507
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: that I do want to say in protection of myself

508
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: for the first time ever. Okay, Yeah, and I took

509
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: and I took it on the chin. I did for

510
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: the both of us and just for ever, you know,

511
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: for the good of the cause was back then, I

512
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: remember because of the Ben and Lauren Happily Ever After special.

513
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: It made me look like I had cold feet. Did

514
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: I have cold feet? Yes? Because I knew we weren't

515
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: right for each other. Things were not going down a

516
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: path that seemed like a happily engaged couple should be

517
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: going down.

518
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: Well, it was appropriately called Happily Ever After question Mark.

519
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: It did not meet like I felt like that show

520
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: and the public perception was that I ended this relationship.

521
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Do you think so? Well, maybe it's just because I

522
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: know too much much. I thought it was more.

523
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it felt like the relationship ended because I

524
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 3: wasn't ready to take the steps forward that you know,

525
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: the show was really asking us to take. Hey, let's

526
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: have your wedding on TV, Let's tell advise it, let's

527
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: pay you to do it. And I said, I know,

528
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: like this, this isn't this is not going to work.

529
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: We both know this, and and we both are very

530
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: clear on this. This this is not a relationship that

531
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: either of us are going to pursue. We were We

532
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: know that we don't have much time left. In fact,

533
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: we're trying to hold this together like by a thread,

534
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: and that threat is breaking as we spoke. And so

535
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: I just would say and I and I and I

536
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: know Lauren would I hope Lauren would not be mad

537
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: at me for saying this. We like did not end

538
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: because I had cold feet like that. That was not

539
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: the that that was not the reason. And so the

540
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: public saying I wasn't ready, how could I go on

541
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: to be the Bachelor if I wasn't ready for marriage?

542
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: Like that was not fair to me. It wasn't because

543
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't true to me. We just weren't right for

544
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: each other.

545
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: Ben, just letting you know that, like, yes, maybe I'm

546
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: too entrenched personally. I don't think that was ever the

547
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: public perception, even if the show was making it seem

548
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: like that. No, no, no, even if the show is

549
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: making it seem like you had gold Vie, I never

550
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: thought that it seemed like in the public arena that

551
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: you were the one to end the relationship, it either

552
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: seemed very mutual or it sort of seemed like she

553
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: ended it because she was the one who got a

554
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: boyfriend kind of quickly after it.

555
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, who wasn't Chris.

556
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: It was not Chris, ln it was not Chris.

557
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, I mean I think it was very mutual.

558
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: I will say it was a very mutual breakup. And again,

559
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: I think for anybody listening wondering, like you can see

560
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: the beauty in the breakup now, maybe not to time, Yeah,

561
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: but the beauty and the breakup was that we ended.

562
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy, it wasn't fun. When people reach out

563
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: now wondering what it feels like to go through a

564
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: really tough breakup, I can speak to it. But I

565
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: know over time it is a piece of my life

566
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: that I'm also very thankful for. I look back on

567
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: that season of life and say, I'm glad we tried it.

568
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad we learned about it. And then yes, we

569
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 3: were younger back then, and it led me down to

570
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: find my partner who was the perfect partner for me

571
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: and I and I have no emotion wrapped around my

572
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: past relationship with Lauren. I have no like you could

573
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: not get me to cry if that's one way you

574
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: want to get me a cry. That is not an

575
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 3: avenue to go down, even though at the time it was.

576
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: And so I just, you know, I just look back

577
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: on the Bachelor World with a lot of like gladness

578
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: because I think it did help me come to my wife.

579
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I totally get that. And I tell people

580
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: all of the time when they're like single and feel

581
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: like they're struggling, I'm like, you'll look back one day

582
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: when you're happily with somebody and you're going to be like,

583
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: you're going to see the weird beauty in the heartbreak

584
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: and the struggle of it all.

585
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: Wait, that's what you tell people, you know what I

586
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: tell people when they're single and you tell them to

587
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: live it up. I tell them, hey, God never promised

588
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: us a partner, so you might be single forever. And

589
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: what I want you to do with that is become

590
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: very happily single and content on your own, because once

591
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: you do that, then a partner is just icing on

592
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: the cake.

593
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: I Okay, well there's that, and then normally that's partner

594
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: comes into the picture is when you have it all together,

595
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: when you're happy by yourself, all right, well, that's interesting

596
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: that we have such different advice to singles. Okay, there's

597
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: a few more things I just want to mention, one

598
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: being that overall, Sean had nice things to say about

599
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Kaitlin and and Lauren had nice things to say about you.

600
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Really did they thought that you guys were both a wonderful, charismatic,

601
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: likable leads.

602
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: I just wish there was something out like that's great

603
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: and I have I would have full confidence if you

604
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: want them to talk.

605
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: To you about you as a human being, as a

606
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: lead of a show.

607
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: It makes me sound like I was just like a character,

608
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: and I mean that's not fair, but I get it,

609
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: like they I would have no questions that Lauren would

610
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: speak highly of me. That's not like a fear of mine.

611
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 3: I didn't know with this podcast, with some of the

612
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: like editing of the trailers, I was like shocked, goodness gracious,

613
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: Like they went hard at me. And that doesn't seem

614
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: fair because Sean went to my wedding as a friend,

615
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: and I think Lauren would look back and say, hey, like,

616
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: no it didn't work out, but like we don't hate

617
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: each other. There's no way I will here like we're

618
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: both happy for each other, and so I didn't. Again,

619
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: I didn't listen to the podcast, but from the notes

620
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: that are sitting in front of me, and from the

621
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: words of you and.

622
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: From me who did listen to the podcast half of us.

623
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: It did sound like they were They were overall very

624
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: nice to the two of us, which is good and expected.

625
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: It would be right shocking because I know Lauren, and

626
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: I know that's not like she might not like be

627
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: my biggest fan. She might not be telling like Chris

628
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: and her family oh been so great, but she wouldn't

629
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: have negative things to say. I don't.

630
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

631
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: But also I couldn't help but laugh at the fact

632
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: that Sean literally reached out to Caitlin a couple of

633
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: months ago to say, can you stop talking about a

634
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: relationship that ended five years ago? And then he did

635
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: a half an hour segment.

636
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: I didn't think the relationship. That's interesting. I didn't think

637
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: about that. Well, yeah, he's gonna you know, the balance

638
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: on these podcasts is interesting because a lot of times

639
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: you are going to be speaking about your past.

640
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: He admitted it, though I kind of questioned him. Last week.

641
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: He said, I understand now that I have my own

642
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: podcast that is hard.

643
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: He gets brought up. Yeah, it gets brought up. But

644
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: I'm glad they were I'm glad they were positive overall.

645
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: You would say, Ashley that listening to this as a

646
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: friend of mine and as a friend of Caitlin's, you

647
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: never were like angry, No, okay.

648
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: I was the only thing that made me really go

649
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: hmm was the it was like a young love. I

650
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: don't know if my feelings were as intense as they

651
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: were yours, Sean and feeling like it was a different

652
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: kind of love.

653
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: And then she should have gone home. She should have

654
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: gone home, make it easy on me, break up with

655
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 3: me at the leave me standing in Jamaica all alone

656
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: at the podium, just being like, well, son of a gun,

657
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: like I am unlovable.

658
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Ben. There's also one

659
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: other thing. It was the fact that she said that

660
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: your happy couple weekends weren't necessarily that happy. She said,

661
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: so happy a couple of weekends. Oh, you guys know,

662
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: they're like the little moments that the Lee did the

663
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: quote quote winner have They have about three of them

664
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: between the show wrapping, filming and airing, And Lauren said

665
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: that you guys didn't have a blast in them. What

666
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: was your take.

667
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 3: I mean, if she didn't like me, I bet they

668
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: were painfully hard for her, Like if she was showing

669
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: up to these happy couples and I was you been.

670
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well I didn't know.

671
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: Okay, she liked you very much. You were just not

672
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: the great love of her life, which you said.

673
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: It was awesome you respect, Yeah, respect, I loved happy couples.

674
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: You don't know why, free food, free booze, and like

675
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: in the midst of the chaos of the Bachelor and

676
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: being the Bachelor, it was like three days that the

677
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: show could not contact you to do anything, and so

678
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: you were just chilling, like sleeping.

679
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: Oh wait, the show couldn't contact you because she said

680
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: that you were out on bachelor duties, that you would

681
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: go on bachelor errands and like make press appearances during it.

682
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: And then she I don't remember, No, I don't really

683
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: see you don't remember.

684
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: I don't even remember me. It's been so long. I'm

685
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: if that was the case. Possibly I remember those being Okay,

686
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: let me say it this way. Then, in the midst

687
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: of the chaos and the craziness of being the Bachelor,

688
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: when you're on press duties and traveling around and doing

689
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: appearances and everything from like seven thirty am till eight

690
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: pm at night every day. Those were an escape because

691
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: they just had less duties than usual. You weren't gone

692
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: all day every day from morning to night and then

693
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: wake up and do it again. Like I felt like,

694
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: I remember days of taking naps, which was not a

695
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: thing for me back then. And I love a good nap.

696
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: You're such a napper, Like I could just see you

697
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: like curling up and being in.

698
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: The golf on Thursday through Sunday. You gotta believe it.

699
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: And they were nice houses like and we you know,

700
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought they were fun. I enjoyed them.

701
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: I have good I have goin. I have good memories

702
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: of those.

703
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you have good memories those. Sean brought

704
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: something up that I was interested to know your take on.

705
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: He said that he's like, Okay, so here I am

706
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: in a house with this girl that I'm like, now,

707
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: engage you. I guess I'll get to know her. It

708
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: made me feel like he didn't feel like he was

709
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: totally in love and knows her like I'm like, Sean,

710
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: you were the man who literally was so certain this

711
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: was like the woman for you during this season. Then

712
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: you're then there's you. Now you're in the happy couple,

713
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: and you're like, I guess we'll get to know her.

714
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what I mean? Yes, you'll get to

715
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: know much more over time. But but did you feel

716
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: like you were in a house with a stranger? Is

717
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: what I'm ask asking you, because I do know what

718
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: it's like when the show packs up and you're like, Okay,

719
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: now you can go be with each other in real

720
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: life there's no cameras. Even the fantasy sweet feels like that.

721
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: It's like, oh God, do I know you?

722
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: Do?

723
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: You haven't, We've been hanging out the past couple of weeks. Yeah,

724
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: So did you feel like you were getting to know

725
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: somebody from like fresh or were you like, this is

726
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: my fiance, I totally know her, Like let's just have

727
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 2: some fun.

728
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: Okay, two different, two different responses. One is as some

729
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: a bystanderd on that season, and as a you know,

730
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: somebody saw that love story playout. I am surprised that

731
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: he felt that way. I don't want to say he

732
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: was wrong, but I am surprised because it really felt

733
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: like from night one.

734
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: Sean be each other's souls.

735
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: Yes, like that Sean and Caitlyn were meant for something.

736
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: Obviously they weren't meant for marriage, but they were meant

737
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: for something like Yeah, And it also seemed like through

738
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: the season Sean really cared about Caitlyn and got to

739
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 3: know Caitlin and and you know, maybe watching it back,

740
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: I did feel I do remember watching that season back

741
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: and feeling like the connection I thought they had in

742
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 3: the like from being in the house and like hearing

743
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: it and seeing it TV made it feel less than

744
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: what I thought it was because.

745
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: Really, because TV made me feel a lot.

746
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: Well, there was a lot of making out, there was

747
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: a lot of like just like quiet moments, and then

748
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: there was the argument to me where a lot of

749
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: their time was spent talking about the other guy, Nick. Yeah,

750
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: and so it I always just expected to watch it

751
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: back and be like, of course, like they they had

752
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: something so magical and they knew each other so well,

753
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: And I still think they did. I just think they

754
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: went about it a different way. Okay, so that's my

755
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: first response. More surprise. I'm not gonna say, hesm, it's

756
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: his feelings, his emotions, what he thought before you go on.

757
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: Let's just let me just give Sean's benef of the doubt.

758
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: He's definitely talking about like in hindsight, as a couple

759
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: that didn't work out. You know, he wouldn't have said that,

760
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure if they were married today, No exactly, Yeah, okay,

761
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: but go ahead.

762
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: But then I would say, when it comes to like

763
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: happy couple of weekends, yes, it did at times feel

764
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: that way, not necessarily like you're a stranger or not

765
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: necessarily I don't know you or I don't like you.

766
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: It's what's your phone number, what's your middle name? Where

767
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: did you go to high school? Yeah? What makes you tick?

768
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: You know, what sets you off? What's your pet peeves?

769
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: Like those things you do figure out after the show. Now,

770
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: I would only say the comparison would be like a

771
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: Kadian Zach right now where it feels like they're doing great,

772
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: or Jojo and Jordan. But Jojo and Jordan took a

773
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: lot longer to kind of get to the point where

774
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: I think they were ready to get married than the

775
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: Kadian Zachs of the world. So I do think that

776
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: people come off of it and feel like, yes, we

777
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: have a connection, we know each other, let's keep this

778
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: thing moving. But I don't disagree with him when it

779
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: comes to at times feeling like, yes, I'm spending a

780
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: weekend in a house with a stranger. Yeah or not again,

781
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: not a stranger. That's a wrong word, like a I'm

782
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 3: spending a week ind in a house with my first date.

783
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: Okay, a great description. All right, Ben, Well, you just

784
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: touched on Nick, so I think was probably talk about

785
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: the fact that he is going to be on Special Forces.

786
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: This was rumored. He did not tell Jared and I

787
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: about it.

788
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: You did not tell me about it.

789
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, like he doesn't like have to tell

790
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: me his day to day like we don't. We're like

791
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: we had the kind of relationship where, you know, I

792
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: see him without talking to him for four months and

793
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: it feels like we've been together forever. But it's but

794
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: like I'm like so freaking excited to see him go

795
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 2: through this. So, Hannah Brown, we know one season one

796
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: of Special Forces, and now Tyler, Cameron, and Nick are

797
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: both on this coming season that debut September too far

798
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: from now, I tell you September twenty something. Sorry, then

799
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: the data in front of me right now. But this

800
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: is gonna be so good. I have to go back

801
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: and finish watching Hannah Brown season because I want to

802
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: watch her be that badass that she is, Like, she

803
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: is just so impressive to me.

804
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: Who makes it farther? Ashley, Nick or Tyler?

805
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: You know that they definitely go in with this mindset

806
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: that like, no matter who I who outlasts me, Like

807
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: I have to outlast Tyler or I have to outlast Nick.

808
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: They probably went in with direct indirect competition of each oler.

809
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh, I'm guessing that was definitely there.

810
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: You know Nick, Well, what are some of Nick's like fears?

811
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: Has he cst her phobic? Is he's scared of heights? Like?

812
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: What could really set him off? Because I don't know Tyler,

813
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: so I don't know his fears or his concerns. It

814
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: feels like, you know, he's a Florida boy. He likes

815
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: to dive, He's comfortable in water. He's maybe a little adventurous.

816
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: He's obviously very athletic, so is Nick though, and so

817
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: those like athletic competitions will do good at But do

818
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: you know any of Nick's like fears or does he

819
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: have any that are a parent.

820
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: No, not that I can think of. But I'm just

821
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: thinking that like the living situation is not going to

822
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: be ideal for him, like.

823
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: On a cot, going to the bathroom bucket.

824
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: And like the first episode of the first season, I

825
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: remember them being like so freaking dehydrated. They get like

826
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: one little canteen of water for the day. Yeah, so scary.

827
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: I think about how they asked us to do Stars

828
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: on Mars. They didn't. I felt like, that's like the

829
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: comparable show, but like it's way less strenuous. Okay, it's

830
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: the joke version of Yeah, starsar Wars is a joke

831
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: version of Special Forces? Did they ask you to do

832
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Special Forces at all?

833
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: No?

834
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 2: You swear to me, I swear you know you're gonna

835
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: be asked for season three. If there's a season three.

836
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm busy on a podcast. I don't have any time.

837
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: You have to you have to fill these shoes, Okay.

838
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: I Jared and I have asked each other how much

839
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: we'd have to get paid to go to Special Forces,

840
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: and well, I guess I don't know. I don't know.

841
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: I I have a number in my head. I'd have

842
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: a number. Do you have a number you just want

843
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: to do it? Would you just do it for free?

844
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: Hell?

845
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: No, I would not be really, No, I don't know.

846
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing that I feel like you

847
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: would do, because like you're you like things like this,

848
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: You're doing a triathlon that's basically human torture.

849
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's one thing i'd do for free. One reality

850
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: show celebrities Golden Bachelor, No celebrities, coffee.

851
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: You already said that you do the Golden Bachelor for free.

852
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 3: I would, Yeah. I think I still you do too.

853
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: I think that's the offer still on the table. No,

854
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I would not do this for free. It would take

855
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: me some time to think it through. I mean, it's tough,

856
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: and from hearing Hannah do her interviews, like it's hard

857
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: and it's strenuous and you're sick and you know. The

858
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: one thing you know me I would have no problem

859
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: with is the bathroom situation, Like sorry, like this is

860
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: the setup, Like I'm going to do my thing and

861
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: you guys are all going to have to be a

862
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: part of it. And if you don't like it, walk,

863
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: But I would have no problem with that. I would

864
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 3: have no problem with the sleeping arrangements because I love

865
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 3: to camp and I love to hike, and so I've

866
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: slept in a lot worse than a cot, you know,

867
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Speaker 3: in a big, old protected room. I'm not even gonna

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Speaker 3: say my fears out loud because if I do sign

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Speaker 3: up for this show, I feel like they're gonna pull

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Speaker 3: this interview back and just like stick me with them.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there are things in my life that I

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Speaker 3: don't enjoy doing that I think this show does that

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Speaker 3: I would have a hard time with.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you out all one of your fears

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Speaker 2: because I have the same fear. It would be caustrophobia

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Speaker 2: y like that would be getting us in like a

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Speaker 2: dungeon below sand Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'd be done like I wouldn't. I would not function.

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Speaker 3: I would say, Okay, that was good, this was a

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Speaker 3: good run. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what happens on Special Forces. Like people just

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Speaker 2: call themselves out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and I would be really upset with myself,

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Speaker 3: especially if it was like week one. I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: you're such a weenie. But I I would have to

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Speaker 3: do it or I'd have a panic.

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Speaker 2: Better last, Nick Castile lasts so long I need to

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Speaker 2: watch like I want to watch him week to week. Also,

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Speaker 2: I think it's worth mentioning that Tom Sandoval is on here,

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Speaker 2: so like everybody's least favorite vander Pump Rules contestant, and

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Speaker 2: he says he's there because he deserves to be punished.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant, Yes he does.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: Hey, actually another big headline. This is just a crazy

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Speaker 3: couple of days. That's why we came out with this.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking this was our last headline, which is

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Speaker 2: why I was dragging it out. But holy crap, we

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Speaker 2: have another huge headline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Gabby Wendy reveals she's been dating a woman for a

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Speaker 3: couple months, which is interesting because we were with her

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Speaker 3: less than a couple a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it chos with her? Yes, we were

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Speaker 2: you with her? Yeah, for sure? Me too, you know

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Speaker 2: for certain?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't know for certain, Okay, but I would

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Speaker 3: imagine that she so. Gabby Wendy has came out publicly

908
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Speaker 3: that she is dating Robbie Hoffman, who is a comedian.

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Speaker 3: They been dating for a few months. Uh. They kept

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Speaker 3: it private, obviously, for the reasons that every couple keeps

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Speaker 3: it private. Here's the quote from Gabby. I always want

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Speaker 3: to live my truth and my story. So I've been

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Speaker 3: seeing someone for a couple months, and I've been keeping

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Speaker 3: it a little more private because it is a bigger

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Speaker 3: story and a bigger conversation because I'm dating a girl now.

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Speaker 3: She told this to the views on View. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: she gave the view this. Why did she give the

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Speaker 3: view this and not almost famous? Goodness, that's a big

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Speaker 3: that's a big plan.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: But good for Gabby.

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Speaker 2: She chatted about it on the View and then she

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Speaker 2: posted pictures to her Instagram, lots of pictures two them together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: congratulations to Gabby first fine for finding what seems to

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Speaker 2: be some love. And you told me before we started

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Speaker 2: the episode that you remember her saying that she like

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Speaker 2: has been sort of like into girls in the past,

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Speaker 2: or like has experimented.

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Speaker 3: I remember her saying that she, yeah, like she liked

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Speaker 3: girls like I Like, this wasn't a shocker to me

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Speaker 3: because I just in my head have remembered I can't

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Speaker 3: even point to the moment. I don't even know when

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Speaker 3: it was, but I just remember her saying like that

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Speaker 3: she had at least dated a girl or maybe kissed

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Speaker 3: a girl something like that. And so this wasn't like

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Speaker 3: a oh my gosh, never saw this coming, but it

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Speaker 3: is still a big headline.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure that wasn't her joking with Rachel all

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Speaker 2: the time that they should just date each other.

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Speaker 3: It could have been Honestly, I really could have been right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, could be.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, Gabby does say this is a quote.

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Speaker 2: I think it was always a whisper in me to

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Speaker 2: date women, and it just got louder and louder, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't really know to pay attention to it. I

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Speaker 2: think when this happens, there's some shame obviously surrounding it.

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Speaker 2: I think I had to navigate through the shame. What

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Speaker 2: is it? Where is it coming from? But ultimately, ultimately

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Speaker 2: I always want to do just me, do what I want.

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Speaker 2: Figure it out later.

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Speaker 3: There we go a lot of big headlines today here

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Speaker 3: at the Almost Famous Podcast, all of them big headlines.

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Speaker 3: That's why he came out with the special episode of Headlines,

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Speaker 3: because well, I know, when we spoke earlier this week,

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Speaker 3: the headlines weren't a plenty, and hey, a Bachelor Nation

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Speaker 3: said it's not fair for the holmost famous not to

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Speaker 3: have a lot of headlines. Let's let's come out with some.

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Speaker 3: So they did, and here we are with another episode

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Speaker 3: of the Almost Famous Podcast. Until next time, when we'll

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Speaker 3: be breaking down charity season of the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 2: I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. Say you guys, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much.

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