1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Are things going to 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: settle down? 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: The President threatening to impose additional tariffs on some European 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: allies supporting Denmark while he pursues Greenland. The Finland President 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: Alexander Stoop joins us. Now for more, Mi's the president. 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 3: Good to see you, Nice to see you. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for always making some time for us. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: Look, I would never traditionally start a conversation like this 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: with a head of state, but given the news flow 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: and the headlines and the pictures of text we've seen 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: over the past few days, I have to get a 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: better understanding from you directly. I understand you were on 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: an exchange with the President of the United States where 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: the President almost explicitly linked his failure to win the 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Nobel Priest Prize with a more assertive. 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Stance on Greenland. Did that actually happen? 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean we do message a lot with 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 4: the President and sometimes I message together with the Prime 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: Minister of Norway, you and US Guard Sturt. So yes, 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: the response was as has been report, and this is 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 4: what frank diplomacy is all about. This is quite normal 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 4: in our engagements behind the scenes, and it's good that 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: we have these conversations. 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: You'd have to forgive me. But for many people, they 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: don't feel that it's normal to connect the failure to 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: win a prize with a more assertive stance over someone 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: else's territory. 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: It is normal to have direct talks. 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: Of course, on the Greenland issue, I disagree with the President. 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 4: I think now what we need to do is to 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 4: bring down the temperature. We need to find an off 32 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 4: ramp and probably create some kind of a process which will. 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: Strengthen Arctic security. 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: And sort of at the end of the tunnel, I 35 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: wish we could have a NATO summit in Ankara where 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: we all agree on a new Arctic security structure. 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: I come from an Arctic country. 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 4: I come from a country which has one of the 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 4: biggest militaries in Europe. 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: I come from a. 41 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: Country which has the best know how in Arctic defense. 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: So these are the types of world things that we 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: need to work with with the Alliance, including the United 44 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 4: States Prision. 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 5: Trump has been talking about Greenland since twenty nineteen. What 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 5: makes it different this time? What does an off ramp 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 5: actually look like? 48 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 4: I think there's a short term scenario here in this 49 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: is a long term, short term is to basically de 50 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: escalate the language, and I hope we'll see some of 51 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: that here in Dubos here today, tomorrow and the day 52 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: after tomorrow. 53 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: And then the second one. 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: Is a long term strategic thinking on Okay, is this 55 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: an issue of sovereignty or is it an issue of security? 56 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: I hope that it is an issue of security, and 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: then we start looking at how we can beef up 58 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 4: security in the Arctic region. Now, the latest conversations that 59 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 4: I've had about this subject in the past two to 60 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: three hours, this is how fast things are changing in 61 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 4: the new foreign policy world. Gives me a little bit 62 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 4: of hope that we'll find a way. 63 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: It feels like a live negotiation. 64 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 5: The president a lot of the time does come out 65 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 5: with something very aggressive to get to an endpoint, which 66 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 5: really is just a better deal. I liken this to NATO. 67 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 5: At one point there was reports you want to pull 68 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 5: out NATO, but really at the end of the day, 69 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 5: you wanted Europe to spend more. 70 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: Is that how you view this through that lens? Well, 71 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: first of all. 72 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: The president of the United States has a capacity to 73 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 4: deal with the multiplicity of issues at the same time. 74 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: I mean, you only look at what's happened this year Venezuela, Iran, Greenland, Gaza, 75 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: the Peace Board and many other things at the same time. 76 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: And of course add on to that domestic issues on 77 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: the NATO issue. If someone would have told me at 78 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: the seventy fifth anniversary of NATO in Washington, DC in 79 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, I think it was that we are 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: looking at increasing our defense expenditure to five percent next year. 81 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: Hour, please go and see a. 82 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: Doctor or consult the Foreign Affairs magazine, because this is 83 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: not going to happen now. 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: If at the end of. 85 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: The day, after this what could be called rhetorical escalation, 86 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: we come up with a stronger Arctic security, then that 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: is good. And obviously we're seeing foreign policy done in 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: a slightly different way from what we're used to. But 89 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: you know, I'm a Finn. I thought you'd ask the 90 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 4: first question that you know, what do you do? I said, 91 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 4: in these kinds of situations, you take a deep breath, 92 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 4: you go in the sauna and you take an ice bath. 93 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: And that's what you're a missing. That's what we're missing. 94 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 5: Your embassy sauna where they have had diplomatic dealings done 95 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 5: quite a scene. 96 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: You can have the ice bath right there. Look, then 97 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: there is this. 98 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 6: Question, mister President, about why European nations were sending more 99 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 6: troops to Greenland over the past couple of days in 100 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 6: the past week. At first it was to beef up 101 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 6: and show that they were serious about the security, not what. 102 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: It was about at all. 103 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, So whether it was taken by President Trump 104 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 6: was I. 105 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 4: Think there was probably a misunderstanding or not. Probably there was. 106 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 4: So basically, let me explain. There is something called Arctic Endurance, 107 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: which is basically a n to a training exercise. That 108 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 4: exercise has eight different components, all of which the United 109 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: States is present. 110 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: We were asked by our allies. 111 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: To go and do a reconnaissance mission to check out 112 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: the territory, the landscape, and how it's going to work out. 113 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: This is completely normal procedure and obviously I can't talk 114 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 4: about the specifics of that exercise, but trust me, it 115 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 4: is not trying to protect anything westbound. 116 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: It's more eastbound. 117 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 6: At what point do you feel like you're just fielding 118 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 6: calls because you thought of as a Trump whisperer. I mean, 119 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 6: what are you telling your colleagues and other European nations 120 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 6: how to deal with mystery. 121 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, diplomacy. 122 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: A lot of times when people analyze diplomacy, they look 123 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: at it on a state to state relations. You know, 124 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 4: what's the values, interest, power, culture, history, geography, But they 125 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 4: forget that a lot of it is actually about person 126 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: to person engagement, and the fact that I'm able to 127 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 4: communicate directly with the president puts me, as President of 128 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: Filing into good position. But I have no illusions about 129 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: being a Trump whisperer. You know, it's he's the President 130 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 4: of the United States. He decides completely for himself. I 131 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 4: throw out a couple of ideas, sometimes he likes them, 132 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: sometimes he doesn't, and then I throw ideas to our 133 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: other European allies and friends. 134 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: That's what diplomas is about. 135 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: When did you last week? 136 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: Oh, we spoke. 137 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 4: It was a collective phone call I think in Paris 138 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 4: on the fifth of December or Berlin. I forget when 139 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: it was, but we're the president. Yeah, yeah, but that 140 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: was sort of a collective. 141 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: And the last message with each other was in the 142 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: last time. 143 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: I think it's been made public. 144 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: That was the last time you spoke. 145 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: That's the last time. That's the time we messaged. 146 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: The reason I asked this is I'm trying to engage 147 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: whether there was a misunderstanding. It certainly seems like you 148 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: perceived there was a misunderstanding. 149 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 4: My perception is that it was a misunderstanding. So now 150 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: we need to, you know, sit down, discuss, get an 151 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: off ramp and at the end of the day, we 152 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: need more Arctic security and with European and American presence. 153 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: This is clearly played out very publicly, and you've been 154 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: transparent about how frank things are often behind the scenes. 155 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: But given how publicly this has played out, what kind 156 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: of a message you think this is sending to the 157 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: Russians at the moment where this is playing out. 158 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: Well, any time there is a diplomatic issue, to put 159 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: it diplomatically between US the Transatlantic partners, I'm sure that 160 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: the Kremlin is enjoying it, I mean, and they will 161 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: use it as they best can, as we saw, you know, 162 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 4: I mean, for a minister of Russia, love Rov puts 163 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: out a tweet and saying that for the US, Greenland 164 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: is what Crimea is for Russia, and obviously you know 165 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: that's an insult and we all understand that. 166 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: So we always have to be. 167 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: Careful with the Russians because they will use any moment 168 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: and any possibility for good old information warfare and propaganda. 169 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 5: The unintended consequences is just creates more of a positive 170 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: attitude towards Russia and China and divides the Transatlantic relationship. 171 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: How big a concern is. 172 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 5: That, especially if we just saw Mark Karney go over 173 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: to Beijing and say they have this new strategic partnership. 174 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, I'm very pro European, 175 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: I'm very pro American, and I'm a Transatlanticist. So it 176 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: is in my interests and also based on my values 177 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 4: that we have a closer relationship with the United States. 178 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: That's why I'm also very pragmatic. I understand that the 179 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: United States is the number one superpower and what we 180 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 4: need to avoid, of course, is a certain disengagement. At 181 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: the same time, I have to say that Europe needs to. 182 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: Use this moment as well. 183 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 4: You know, it needs to beef up its defense, it 184 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 4: needs to get stronger economically, and I think, you know, 185 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 4: my big cisis is that it's going to be the 186 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: global South that decides the new world order. So that 187 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: means that we need to engage more with the likes 188 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: of India. I really like the free trade agreement that 189 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: the EU Fortuo Mercosur, and I think people will start 190 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: looking a little bit elsewhere, but I really still want 191 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: to contain and bring back the US as best we 192 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: can on. 193 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: Top of Russia. 194 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 5: On that conversation, I've been told those discussions are going 195 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 5: very well between the United States and Ukrainians, the United 196 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 5: States and the Russians. Krull Dimitriev reportedly is here having 197 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: a conversation with Steve Wikoff today. How much longer do 198 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 5: you think it will take to get that deal done? 199 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 5: Do you think Putin even wants a deal? 200 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 4: Okay, So two observations on this. The first one is 201 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 4: that I'm afraid that the Greenland issue will take all 202 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: the oxygen here in Davos from the Ukraine Dossea, which 203 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 4: I still think is fundamentally important and acute. 204 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 3: But the second point is good news. 205 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: I think ever since Jared Kushnair came into the game, 206 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: actually in Geneva right after the g twenty summit, and 207 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: we had another meeting in Berlin and then in Paris, 208 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 4: we have a lot of more practicality. So we basically 209 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: have depends on how you count six documents or two 210 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 4: or two plus five documents. The good news is that Ukraine, 211 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: the United States, and the Collision of the Willing or 212 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: Europe we're on the same page. The big question is 213 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: are the Russians. I'm quite skeptical about that. I think 214 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: we might get a deal on security arrangements, we might 215 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: get a deal on territory, certainly on the prosperity package. 216 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 4: I'm quite hopeful that we'll get something here this week. 217 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: But then the Russians will say yet, well, if Russia. 218 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 5: Continues to drag the United States along, do you have 219 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 5: a sense of what Trump's red line is with Putin? 220 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: I'm not going to start interpreting the red lines or 221 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: the President of the United States, but I have to 222 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: say that I really like what he did on Luke 223 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 4: Oil and Rosneft, on the sanctions, and to be honest, 224 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 4: I mean putin light to President Trump about the drones 225 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 4: hitting his datcha. They fired ballistic missiles. So this is 226 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 4: something that certainly will shorten the fuse of the President 227 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: of the United States. And it of course depends on 228 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 4: how much carrot do you put before. 229 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: You hit with the big stick. 230 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: To find a question, we often ask our guests for 231 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: forecasts at the World Economic Forum. I'm not going to 232 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: ask for a long term one. Where do you think 233 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: will be at the end of this week. 234 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 4: I think we will have defused the Greenland issue, I 235 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: think we will have made progress on Ukraine, and I 236 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: am one hundred percent sure that the world will not 237 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: be finished by then. 238 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: Mister President, thanks for your time. 239 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 3: Thanks