WEBVTT - Biden's Proposed Energy Plan

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we have a great story on the Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>and Bloomberg dot Com today. It's about the thirty nine

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<v Speaker 1>things that Joe Biden should do first on climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>He has made some big promises. He has um going to,

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<v Speaker 1>i should say, kind of take office having made unprecedented

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<v Speaker 1>commitments to address global warming. He's got a fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>plan to create carbon neutral electricity across the US on

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<v Speaker 1>the waiter, achieving net zero emissions by twenty fifty. He

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<v Speaker 1>has also promised to spend two trillion on a sweeping

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<v Speaker 1>climate and job agenda. So that's kind of our backdrop

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<v Speaker 1>on this Wednesday. So let's get into that. Our next guest,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure has some thoughts on that and really the

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<v Speaker 1>role of solar energy specifically. We welcome Abigail ross Hopper.

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<v Speaker 1>She's President CEO of the Solar Energy Industries Association, former

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<v Speaker 1>director of the Department of the Interiors Bureau of Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Management. That's where she loved, the agency that oversaw

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<v Speaker 1>the leasing and development of all offshore energy from oil

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<v Speaker 1>and natural gas to offshore wind. And she joins us

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone in Washington, d C. Is so nice

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<v Speaker 1>to have you here with us. Carol, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for having me this afternoon. So I have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of important things to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>but can I just be quite honest with you that

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<v Speaker 1>from the get go, my producer Paul Brennan, Um, when

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about who was going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>our show and talking about you joining us, he shared

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<v Speaker 1>your bio and it says a very proud mom of

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<v Speaker 1>three kids, loves to read writer peloton, do hot yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>and lie on the beach. And my producer Paul said

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<v Speaker 1>to me, sounds like you Carol minus two kids, which

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly I have to say. You're my doppelganger. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. That is very funny. I am my Pelison

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<v Speaker 1>was my first quarantine purchase there was, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>really a brilliant purchase and I am totally addicted and

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<v Speaker 1>brand boyle. Now, all right, have you done the Hamilton's Ride?

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<v Speaker 1>I did the Hamilton's Ride on Monday night. I did

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<v Speaker 1>that Beyonce ride ride. I am all in all right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so really really wonderful to catch up with you. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like we have to have a drink when

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<v Speaker 1>we're back in normal times. UM, So tell me about

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, your world, what it's been like, and

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<v Speaker 1>what the industry's world has been like under COVID. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have really struggled, Carroll. Under COVID, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>represent utility scales, so those big projects in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the desert, we represent commercial, the ones on top

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<v Speaker 1>of schools and corporates, and then you know, once on

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<v Speaker 1>top of your house and mind residential solar, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>all been hit although the residential solar has been hit

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest. Um it makes sense, right, people don't want

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<v Speaker 1>anyone coming to their home. They can't do door to

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<v Speaker 1>door sales. So our companies have really innovated and figured

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<v Speaker 1>out different ways to sell and incorporated safety mechanisms and

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<v Speaker 1>so sort of the pipeline is starting to build again.

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<v Speaker 1>What we're finding though, is that the tax equity market,

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<v Speaker 1>which is such a critical part of our financing, is

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<v Speaker 1>really tightened up um and these uncertain times, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we see that as a pretty significant challenge that has

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<v Speaker 1>been brought on by COVID. So how do you change that,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in a world where we were talking We've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking with the last few hours of our broadcast, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just we're watching the headlines and the numbers are just

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<v Speaker 1>going higher soon than do you anticipate that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what you've been dealing with you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to deal with until we get kind of to

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<v Speaker 1>the other side. Yeah, I think, Um, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think on many of our projects, we have figured out

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<v Speaker 1>how to install, how to sell and install and permit safely.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, there is demand there. What we are considered

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<v Speaker 1>now is really about the ability to finance the deals,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we have been asking Congress to make our

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<v Speaker 1>tax credit refundable as opposed to being predicated on a

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<v Speaker 1>tax equity appetite. Um. We've had a lots I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Washington. We've had lots of meetings with legislators,

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<v Speaker 1>although they've all been via a zoom um, and they

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<v Speaker 1>understand we've lost We've wiped away about five years of

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<v Speaker 1>job growth in the first few months of COVID. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's been really devastating on the foot side. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can put people back to work really quickly all

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<v Speaker 1>across the country if we have some certainty around our

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<v Speaker 1>our financing mechanism. So okay, So here we are in

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of strange political world right where the transition

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<v Speaker 1>is not going You understand transitions. You've been inside, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the government, when a transition happens, going from President Obama

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<v Speaker 1>to President Trump. I mean, what are your expectations. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk a little bit about that. Then I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do something. We'll come back. But we've got about forty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds here. You know. Are you anticipating that anything gets

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<v Speaker 1>done before January? Are you anticipating anything gets done anytime soon?

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<v Speaker 1>I am very hopeful Um that in the new Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>with President President elect Biden in office, that there will

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<v Speaker 1>be some significant legislation that passes. We can talk after

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<v Speaker 1>the break about the biparts in nature of solar but

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<v Speaker 1>I am optimistic. I'm not particularly optimistic this year end because,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, everything is just so unprecedented at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You as an overused word. So it was interesting in

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<v Speaker 1>the break we talked a little bit Abigail Um about

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<v Speaker 1>who Joe Biden might pick, uh possibly to run the

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Department, and they're one name is being floated around

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<v Speaker 1>as an ex Google official who is kind of on

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<v Speaker 1>the short list. He's a former deputy secretary Um from

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<v Speaker 1>our at the department. But it's interesting in our reporting

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of made the point out that you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to have somebody politically savvy in that department and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's technically understands kind of everything at issue. And I

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<v Speaker 1>do think about when you look at maybe the shaping

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<v Speaker 1>up of a new administration, you know, who do we

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<v Speaker 1>need to have in play, especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>things like solar energy, or or alternative energy, or just

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<v Speaker 1>overall our energy policy in this country. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to your conversation about that. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we want people in our government who an energy front,

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<v Speaker 1>who are practitioners of energy right, who know how to

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<v Speaker 1>build it, know how to find to know how to

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<v Speaker 1>get it done. If if President elect Biden is going

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<v Speaker 1>to implement his aggressive climate change plan, there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be just even more rapid deployment of solar and wind

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<v Speaker 1>and offshore wind and all of these technologies. So you

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<v Speaker 1>need folks in government who understand how the businesses operate

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<v Speaker 1>and you can get that done. But over and that's

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<v Speaker 1>more like at the Department of the Interior, where they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually around execution. But if you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>Departmative Energy, right, that's where so much of the R

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<v Speaker 1>and D happens and having um, you know, an engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and a scientist over there, it makes a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>sense because we're really sort of looking at next gen options,

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<v Speaker 1>right What are we what are we going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>How are we going to find these new technologies to

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<v Speaker 1>even further decarbonize our our economy. What was your what

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<v Speaker 1>was your experience between kind of old energy new energy?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I do feel like we have such um whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's through lobbyists and the money that's still in kind

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<v Speaker 1>of our old energy world, we know that in order

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<v Speaker 1>to protect our climate, we've really got to embrace more

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<v Speaker 1>fully alternative energy. Do you feel like there's enough thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of that going on in the government or we need

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<v Speaker 1>to really kind of take a big leap forward. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we need to take a big leap forward. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we need to recognize the crisis that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in and take big, bold, aggressive steps. UM. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when I was at the Department of Interior,

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<v Speaker 1>I oversaw oil and gas, as you said, and renewables,

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<v Speaker 1>offshore wind and so one of the most interesting things

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<v Speaker 1>that I noticed, and I noticed it in solar as well,

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<v Speaker 1>is that many of the first of the European oil

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<v Speaker 1>and gas majors and now the American oil and gas

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<v Speaker 1>majors are making big investments and renewables right and solar

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<v Speaker 1>and wind and offshore wind. They see it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they understand where the market is going, and they understand

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<v Speaker 1>UM sort of where where consumers and regulators and policy

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<v Speaker 1>makers wants to go, and so are diversifying their offerings UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And that has been a really interesting shift of the

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<v Speaker 1>last few years, is to see the shelves and the

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<v Speaker 1>the dps of the world in addition to the Europeans,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know some of the other European utilities, UM

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<v Speaker 1>and oil majors really invests heavily in electric vehicles, inslar

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<v Speaker 1>in storage because it is going to be a huge

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<v Speaker 1>part of our energy next So help me out here,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think I'm always someone like it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>we were moving along so slowly and like tak e vs.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like it it took somebody like Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of shake up, you know, the establishment, to say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>win minute, we can do this faster. And I really

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like he really awakened the auto industry, the

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<v Speaker 1>global auto industry. But help me understand since you understand

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<v Speaker 1>this that in terms of kind of you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>old line, Like, it's fascinating to hear what you say

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<v Speaker 1>about Shell and MVP and we we knew this that

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking at, you know, renewables. But does it

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<v Speaker 1>do we have to understand it does take some time

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of shift our world to renewables or are

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<v Speaker 1>there ways that we can be it should be doing

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<v Speaker 1>it faster? And I know you're from the solar industry,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're probably gonna be like, yeah, of course we

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<v Speaker 1>could do it faster. But do you know what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying that that that it isn't always so easy to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shift. We don't necessarily we still are struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with the infrastructure when it comes to E VS. Right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I so I am both a realists, right. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>how the good works. I understand how the technology works. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there are some challenges to rapid deployment, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, you need big out of the box spinkers

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<v Speaker 1>to really um come up with creative solutions. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I and you know my background is from all energy,

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<v Speaker 1>so well, I work at the solar industry. Right now, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have a pretty holistic to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are things we can do. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's things that the president and the agencies can do

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of federal procurement. Right. The obviously, the US

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<v Speaker 1>government and U s M forces are one of the

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<v Speaker 1>the largest fire of energy, um, and so looking at

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<v Speaker 1>their procurement all of the real estate they have, all

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<v Speaker 1>of our public lands and putting solar and wind resources

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<v Speaker 1>on our public lands. You know, we already do oil

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<v Speaker 1>and gas drilling, so it makes sense to have rapid deployment.

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<v Speaker 1>They're thinking about the technology, thinking about the finance, creating

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<v Speaker 1>UM sort of ways that we that the market. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's putting the right marketing centers out there and then

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<v Speaker 1>letting companies respond to it. I think, um, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things that we can do to to move

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<v Speaker 1>this transition even more quickly. Yeah, I think market incentives

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<v Speaker 1>are really a really really big thing when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about what they can do. Um. Alright, So to wrap up,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta ask you who's your favorite Peloton instructor? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I love Alex Oh. I think he is. He inspires

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<v Speaker 1>me in a way that none other do. How about you, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like a lot of people, I do like

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Arson. UM, I like Kinna Marie Corbett, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say I've actually met raw up in. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>We've covered Peloton as you would imagine. I've talked to

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<v Speaker 1>John Foley a lot um and I've done stories on

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<v Speaker 1>them and met Robin when they have kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>Peloton annual gathering. UM they met in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>it was very cool. You know, she's a lawyer. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's a very cool world. I just gotta say,

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't very cool. And her personal story is so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to watch her um be pregnant and have

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<v Speaker 1>a baby. Peloton. But you didn't expect to go here. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>come back because I love it. I love this and

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<v Speaker 1>I love the energy world, and I love that you are,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, holistic, so you really see all the

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<v Speaker 1>moving parts. So come back anytime, because this was a

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<v Speaker 1>really great conversation. Really appreciate it. And UM, I love

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<v Speaker 1>to check into, especially as we moved towards a Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 1>how it's impacting the solar industry. So great to have

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Abigail ross Hopper, or President and CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar Energy Industries Association. She is former director of

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Interiors, Bureau of Ocean Energy Management and,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, joining us on the phone from the nation's capital,