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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
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Speaker 4: Talked with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact on
Speaker 4: Captain Ron, and today I'm going to be speaking with
Speaker 4: Vinnie Adams from the Disclosure Team. Vinnie is a UFO researcher, writer,
Speaker 4: social media creator and host of the podcast Disclosure Team.
Speaker 4: He is coming to Contact in the Desert this year
Speaker 4: for the first time ever, and we're very happy to
Speaker 4: have him there. And he's based in the UK, you
Speaker 4: can tell by his accent, and it's going to be
Speaker 4: very interesting to hear how disclosure is looked at over
Speaker 4: in the UK versus how it is here in the US. Hey, Vinnie,
Speaker 4: good to see him, my man, Ron.
Speaker 5: It's an absolute pleasure to join you here and beyond
Speaker 5: contact and also I cannot wait for contacts in the desert.
Speaker 4: You're going to be hooked after your first time, I
Speaker 4: promise you that's been the extent I know. Okay, so listen,
Speaker 4: let's start here where you are over in the UK.
Speaker 4: I want to see how are things perceived that like,
Speaker 4: how does it compare to the US. I know you
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time here in the US, so
Speaker 4: you may have a sense of that. How is big
Speaker 4: D disclosure viewed in the UK?
Speaker 5: Do you know what Ron? I think? To be honest,
Speaker 5: Big D disclosure really isn't talked about at all when
Speaker 5: it comes to media and the general public at all. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: we are very much behind when it comes to the
Speaker 5: reporting compared to the United States. When it is in
Speaker 5: the newspapers, it's very much in the kind of tabloids
Speaker 5: and it's you know, little Green men and X files
Speaker 5: type themes. Still, unfortunately, we do have the odd article
Speaker 5: pop up here and there. We do have a couple
Speaker 5: of journalists that have started to latch onto the subject,
Speaker 5: but unfortunately it's just too few and far between to
Speaker 5: really grab the general public and bring it into the
Speaker 5: kind of mainstream conversation.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, what about even in the UFO community in
Speaker 4: the UK. Is there a sense that you feel like
Speaker 4: it has to originate from the US or could it
Speaker 4: come from the UK?
Speaker 5: I think there are two ways I look at it.
Speaker 5: When it comes to that, I think there is a
Speaker 5: fairly reasonable size community, but we do kind of interconnect
Speaker 5: with a lot of the communities in the United States
Speaker 5: when it comes to you know, communication and getting the
Speaker 5: latest information. But I do also look at disclosure as
Speaker 5: a global phenomena, so it could come from anywhere really,
Speaker 5: at any time. I'm always quite conscious of that. So
Speaker 5: you know, the one thing I will say is it
Speaker 5: won't come from the Ministry of Defense because they are
Speaker 5: so tight lipped on this, this situation, this this topic
Speaker 5: and have been now for getting on for twenty years.
Speaker 5: There used to be a bit more free talking about it.
Speaker 5: They would you know, have released documents every now and again,
Speaker 5: that all stopped and now you just can't get any
Speaker 5: information from them. So I think big D disclosure, if
Speaker 5: it were to happen, would generally come from other governments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it was that way here forever
Speaker 4: for fifty five years, and only you know, since twenty
Speaker 4: seventeen have we seen a little bit of the government,
Speaker 4: you know, the Pentagon papers and the hearings that we've
Speaker 4: had and different things where we do start seeing and
Speaker 4: feeling like there is a crack that maybe we would
Speaker 4: get some form of disclosure. But I always wonder could
Speaker 4: Russia do it? Could China do it? I think if
Speaker 4: you know, who knows, I struggle with believing any of
Speaker 4: this is even happening. But if it is, you know,
Speaker 4: I can imagine there being this infighting or once somebody
Speaker 4: realizes China is going to go, maybe Russia wants to
Speaker 4: be first, or we want to be first. It may
Speaker 4: be a political thing. Do you have any sense of that.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think that we've seen in the last few years,
Speaker 5: you know, with the way that the story has been
Speaker 5: growing in the United States, that it's unavoidable to you know,
Speaker 5: it has to be politicized because people will use it,
Speaker 5: you know, people with power, people in Congress. In a way,
Speaker 5: it goes hand in hand if we do want anything
Speaker 5: to come from the elected officials. But yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 5: China and Russia. I think we also have a lot
Speaker 5: of countries in say South America, Argentina and Brazil have
Speaker 5: always been quite forthcoming with you know, acknowledging that they
Speaker 5: look into this subject as well. I think it only
Speaker 5: takes one government to say, right, we're doing it, and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden the world changes and yeah, this is.
Speaker 4: An excellent point, is exactly what? When I think about this,
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, a country like Brazil or somebody that's
Speaker 4: very open to this and kind of talk about it
Speaker 4: already more openly and comfortably among the masses, which is
Speaker 4: my understanding of how it is in Brazil. But I
Speaker 4: wonder if Brazil came out tomorrow and the president of
Speaker 4: Brazil says, we have UFOs, we've recovered this, blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: and they don't have the bodies of the ship, if
Speaker 4: they would believe it here in the States, I really
Speaker 4: wonder that.
Speaker 5: I agree. I think there's something to be said about
Speaker 5: which country says it how they say it, at what time,
Speaker 5: you know, I think without any anything to show as
Speaker 5: evidence alongside the claims made by a smaller country or
Speaker 5: not so popular, I think, yeah, I think people would
Speaker 5: dismiss it, probably a lot more more quickly.
Speaker 4: Even a big country like Brazil. I think, I think
Speaker 4: a lot of people here. We would get excited in
Speaker 4: the community for a few minutes, but it would not
Speaker 4: move the needle, as most things don't. I want to
Speaker 4: ask you this, how do you feel about the idea
Speaker 4: that some people have who who say that there's this
Speaker 4: small group in an unacknowledged program that may even be
Speaker 4: a worldwide group, who doesn't care about these country borders.
Speaker 4: They you know, they hold this information. Do you think
Speaker 4: there could be any truth to that idea.
Speaker 5: I think it's probably quite known that there are small groups,
Speaker 5: certainly within in the kind of the military industrial complex
Speaker 5: in the United States. I wouldn't like to speculate on
Speaker 5: a global group, let's say, but yeah, I think, you know,
Speaker 5: we have the white programs and the black programs. But
Speaker 5: I always used to think that, you know, these secrets
Speaker 5: are held within these gray areas. They have a name
Speaker 5: for them, they call them purple novas. They are very
Speaker 5: very small, compartmentalized groups of people in the know, who
Speaker 5: kind of you know, I would say, are the gatekeepers
Speaker 5: of a lot of this information. You know, I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure they do exist.
Speaker 4: Makes logical sense to me that, just like the nuclear
Speaker 4: secrets or anything else. Okay, so if this is true,
Speaker 4: we both let's just hypothesize for a second that this
Speaker 4: is in fact true, that we've had crash retrievals and
Speaker 4: there is a small contingent that knows about this. I
Speaker 4: just do not see any way that they release this.
Speaker 4: No matter how many of these whistleblowers come forward and
Speaker 4: how many of these things happen, I do not see
Speaker 4: an upside for a small group like that that holds
Speaker 4: the knowledge of this technology and the knowledge of this power.
Speaker 4: What's the upside for them?
Speaker 5: No, you raise a really good point. I think you're
Speaker 5: right in that respect. But what I think we're seeing
Speaker 5: is I think we're seeing the old God. A lot
Speaker 5: of the people that have been withholding this information. I
Speaker 5: think we're seeing a change. A lot of them are
Speaker 5: dying off.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's they've been holding onto this stuff for so many decades.
Speaker 5: It's time for a new generation to come in, and
Speaker 5: I believe that within aerospace and sort of non government
Speaker 5: agencies that have their fingers in this, I think they're
Speaker 5: slowly realizing that it may be time to shift possession
Speaker 5: and start trying to get somewhere with this, you know,
Speaker 5: and start not necessarily wanting to just release it all
Speaker 5: to the public, but to get it into the hands
Speaker 5: of a new generation of maybe scientists as well, and
Speaker 5: to kind of see if we can make more progress
Speaker 5: with the technologies that they've kind of had in their
Speaker 5: possession for so long.
Speaker 4: I would love to see that happen. You know, it's
Speaker 4: so hard to know what this phenomenon even is. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've just pay interviewing people. It's such a
Speaker 4: complex thing, so it's hard to know what the phenomenon is.
Speaker 4: Let alone, who actually does know the full picture of
Speaker 4: what this is, if anyone does.
Speaker 5: It is That's the thing. It's so compartmentalized. I think
Speaker 5: I can't remember who it was. It might have been
Speaker 5: James Fox and correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody that
Speaker 5: he said any things that believes that maybe only twenty
Speaker 5: people in the whole world who actually know a decent
Speaker 5: amount about what all this is about, you know, and
Speaker 5: I think you mentioned that. You know, there's so many
Speaker 5: possibilities about the origins of what this non human intelligence
Speaker 5: or the phenomena could represent. And for me personally, my
Speaker 5: mind changes quite frequently depending who I speak to and
Speaker 5: things like that. You know, one minute it's the interdimensional hypothesis,
Speaker 5: the next it's the crypto terrestrial and it always flips
Speaker 5: and changes, And yeah, I struggle with that, but I
Speaker 5: think ultimately as well, I wouldn't be surprised if we
Speaker 5: were to learn the truth that it would be so
Speaker 5: crazy and different to what we expected, we'd probably struggle
Speaker 5: to even comprehend it.
Speaker 4: I side from disclosure itself, how do you think just
Speaker 4: the idea of UFO as being extraterrestrial craft differs in
Speaker 4: the UK versus the US, for example, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think there is much different, to be honest. I
Speaker 5: think it's all goes in hand in hand. I mean,
Speaker 5: we are such a close ally we kind of follow
Speaker 5: suit with almost everything when it comes to the relationship
Speaker 5: between the US and the UK, with like the Little
Speaker 5: Brother really, so I think when it comes to UFO
Speaker 5: things that I think we follow suit completely. I think
Speaker 5: it's all the same.
Speaker 4: I think that's true, but I think here we have
Speaker 4: a very centric feel like I don't think that's an
Speaker 4: equal footing. If you will, I think that, yeah, you
Speaker 4: guys might listen to the US more than we would,
Speaker 4: you know, listen to what the UK has to say.
Speaker 4: I just yeah, the hubris we have is kind of horrible. Okay,
Speaker 4: So you've been immersed this for quite some time. Do
Speaker 4: you have a sense that something is bubbling under the
Speaker 4: surface right now? I sort of do. I've been doing
Speaker 4: this for about eleven twelve years, and you know, we
Speaker 4: always hear about possible more whistleblowers coming out, microbits of
Speaker 4: disclosure coming. Do you feel like we're on the verge
Speaker 4: of something right now or do you think it's just
Speaker 4: a typical chatter we always hear.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm an eternal optimist, so I try and look
Speaker 5: at things in a positive light, and I do remain
Speaker 5: optimal optimistic that I think we may see more continuation
Speaker 5: of that throughout twenty twenty five. I think we're the
Speaker 5: rides not over just yet.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to any
Speaker 4: more specifically about worldwide governmental disclosure. You're listening to beyond
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Speaker 4: Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald.
Speaker 4: I'm speaking with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team.
Speaker 4: Vinnie and your show Disclosure Team. Do you focus specifically
Speaker 4: and disclosure coming from a government.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily No, I mean, it is kind of one
Speaker 5: of the main focal points, but I do like to
Speaker 5: branch out and try and cover kind of other aspects
Speaker 5: as well. I do, especially in recent times, I feel
Speaker 5: like the experiencer has taken a little bit of a
Speaker 5: back seat when it comes to their having their voice heard,
Speaker 5: and so I like to try and bring in experiences
Speaker 5: when I can to kind of, you know, hear their
Speaker 5: stories and show that they are not being forgotten. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I do try and mix it up a bit. I
Speaker 5: think when we get these big stories that come out,
Speaker 5: I think there is some focus that has to kind
Speaker 5: of stay on the current climate. So I do my
Speaker 5: best to kind of weave around that sometimes. And I'm
Speaker 5: here still doing it not three or four years later,
Speaker 5: so some weeks agoing well, awesome.
Speaker 4: What would you consider disclosure Because a lot of people
Speaker 4: seem to have different things that disclosure means to.
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, that's very true. You know, I've not been
Speaker 5: privy to witnessing anything myself, really. I mean, I've had
Speaker 5: one sighting, but you know, I can't say what it was.
Speaker 5: So I think for me, I think confirmation from an
Speaker 5: authority figure would probably at least begin to give me
Speaker 5: that disclosure. Well, I suppose, you know, a president of
Speaker 5: a reputable country, and I think, I don't think we'll
Speaker 5: get big D disclosure. I think we'll get small D
Speaker 5: disclosure or even confirmation that, yes, I can announce that
Speaker 5: we are being visited by a non human intelligence, and
Speaker 5: that in itself would be enough for me to go, right, Okay,
Speaker 5: we can go from there and find out why are
Speaker 5: they here, what do they want, how long have they
Speaker 5: been here, and all of the questions that follow. That
Speaker 5: would be my disclosure, my personal disclosure.
Speaker 4: A lot of people, I think unless the president pulls
Speaker 4: out the ship and says it from the US, they're
Speaker 4: not going to consider it disclosure. Of course, many people
Speaker 4: that are experiencers, or many of us who read a
Speaker 4: lot of the data, you know, feel like it's already
Speaker 4: sort of been disclosed that these people, you know, they
Speaker 4: consider that well, yeah, closure, I think it's real.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean my days in this subject started about
Speaker 5: fifteen years ago, just thoroughly researching, and so I knew
Speaker 5: almost straight away. Look, there's something to this, and that's
Speaker 5: why I pursued it for so long. So it's not
Speaker 5: like I need disclosure to continue in this subject. I
Speaker 5: think it's valid and I think it's worth, you know,
Speaker 5: continuing and trying to bring it into the mainstream. So
Speaker 5: and yeah, you mentioned the experiences. I think one thing
Speaker 5: that people always seem to say is that where's the proof,
Speaker 5: where's the evidence? Well, we have the testimony of thousands,
Speaker 5: if not millions, of people who have experienced some thing,
Speaker 5: and to me, that testimony is just as valuable.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I feel the same way, and I'm very
Speaker 4: frustrated by, you know, my friends that are outside of
Speaker 4: this community who just struggle with that and they just
Speaker 4: write it off as crazy. No matter what, I guarantee you,
Speaker 4: many of people's claims are crazy or disillusions or delusional
Speaker 4: or whatever it may be. However, you having a show
Speaker 4: for three four years, I've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 4: We've interviewed these people, We've sat at conferences with these
Speaker 4: people and face to face talked to people and they're
Speaker 4: as normal as can be, and they just had this
Speaker 4: crazy thing happen to them. I find that compelling, and
Speaker 4: I don't know why we just dismissed that. Even more so,
Speaker 4: what frustrates me is when we dismiss people. There's a
Speaker 4: hundred example that John Mack is my favorite example. Here's
Speaker 4: a guy who got to the top of his you know,
Speaker 4: his craft as the head of psycho high Tree at Harvard.
Speaker 4: He looked at this topic and came to the conclusion
Speaker 4: that these people are not delusional, that clearly something has
Speaker 4: happened to them. All of a sudden, he's written off
Speaker 4: like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Right before,
Speaker 4: he said that he is the smartest guy in the world,
Speaker 4: top of psychology at Harvard University. He doesn't get there
Speaker 4: because he doesn't know what he's doing, and then to
Speaker 4: dismiss his findings. It doesn't make sense to me. I
Speaker 4: can't think of another field where you get to the
Speaker 4: top of your game, you know, you're the main quarterback,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, well, this guy's no good.
Speaker 4: It frustrates me. Okay, well, what about Jake Barber. Did
Speaker 4: you guys get that there in the UK and what
Speaker 4: did you think of that?
Speaker 5: I actually I was in the US at the time
Speaker 5: when I saw it, so I mean I was, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was blown away by it. You know, it was
Speaker 5: great that he came forward with his story and we
Speaker 5: had this video of this agg objects. But I think
Speaker 5: we'll also added some weight behind it. Was that there
Speaker 5: were other individuals that spoke to back back up who
Speaker 5: he says he is. You know, we had some real
Speaker 5: weight behind him. That was great. I think I always like,
Speaker 5: really really helps in a situation like that. It's not
Speaker 5: just one person's word. Again, it's a few people who
Speaker 5: are coming from really good backgrounds when it comes to
Speaker 5: their patriotism and things like that. So I think we'll
Speaker 5: see more from them in the coming weeks and months.
Speaker 4: I think Ross Colhart probably vetted him very thoroughly or
Speaker 4: given that much time that he's worked. I think it
Speaker 4: was eighteen months before this came out. What do you
Speaker 4: think of most of these whistleblowers in general? Do you
Speaker 4: think that they're all real? Do does this move the needle
Speaker 4: for people? Because I don't think like something like that happened,
Speaker 4: nothing changed.
Speaker 5: It's difficult, isn't it. Yeah, I have to try what
Speaker 5: I do. I try and not formulate a final conclusion.
Speaker 5: I allow myself to take the bits of information when
Speaker 5: people come forward, and I add it to the list
Speaker 5: or the pile, and then more people come forward, and
Speaker 5: it gradually for me, builds a bigger, bigger picture. I
Speaker 5: think it's great that people are willing to talk. It
Speaker 5: is good to hear that these people are getting VET properly.
Speaker 5: I think that's really important. But yeah, it won't move
Speaker 5: the needle until they bring some real, hardcore evidence, real proof,
Speaker 5: and I think ill come.
Speaker 4: I hope so, man. Because even if you go back
Speaker 4: to two thousand and one when they had the disclosure
Speaker 4: thing here in America at the at the National Press Club,
Speaker 4: and they did that, yeah, I mean, I've interviewed many
Speaker 4: of those guys and talked to them and talk to
Speaker 4: doctor Greer and everything. The night before that, all those
Speaker 4: guys said none of them slept. They were up all
Speaker 4: night because they thought the world is going to change tomorrow.
Speaker 4: By noon, everybody will know that this phenomenon is real
Speaker 4: and we're going to be living in a post disclosure world.
Speaker 4: And it came some people watch it online. People in
Speaker 4: our community went wow, this is great, and people outside
Speaker 4: this community nothing did not move the needle at all.
Speaker 4: And that frustrates me. I feel like, is that really
Speaker 4: your your barometer that you need them to wheel out
Speaker 4: the craft for that to be real. These are not
Speaker 4: slaps guys either. These are colonels in the army. These
Speaker 4: are all trained, professional guys. I mean, it's you know
Speaker 4: what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying, I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think unfortunately with something like that, and we've seen
Speaker 5: it many times in the last sort of twenty five years,
Speaker 5: that we get these moments that we think are really
Speaker 5: going to move the ball down the field. But then
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of the members of the general public,
Speaker 5: they have their everyday lives to look at, and there's
Speaker 5: so much else going on in the world. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: you know, with the disclosure project thing you mentioned there
Speaker 5: in two thousand and one, it was only a few
Speaker 5: months later that nine to eleven happened. Of course, all
Speaker 5: eyes then completely shift onto nine to eleven and these
Speaker 5: real world events that are happening in real time. So unfortunately,
Speaker 5: these these disclosure efforts kind of get shadowed by these
Speaker 5: these things that occur.
Speaker 4: Absolutely did you pay attention to the congressional hearings that
Speaker 4: we had here as recently as November.
Speaker 5: It's great. I mean, it took fifty years for us
Speaker 5: to get, you know, more congressional hearings, and here we are,
Speaker 5: in what two or three years, We've had some really
Speaker 5: vital people, you know, under oath in front of Congress.
Speaker 5: I think that's really important. It would be nice to
Speaker 5: have these first hand whistleblowers that we're told about in
Speaker 5: front of Congress. But I think what we have to
Speaker 5: remember as well is that these public hearings are more
Speaker 5: more of a show than what actually gets spoken about.
Speaker 5: In the private hearings, you know, that where the classified
Speaker 5: information is really discussed. I think that's where the real
Speaker 5: progress will happen. But of course anybody watching this is
Speaker 5: can get a bit impatience sometimes, which I understand, But
Speaker 5: they want all of that information, so it's a double
Speaker 5: edged sword. For me. It's great, but at the same time,
Speaker 5: you know, we want the juicy stuff.
Speaker 4: I get frustrated at heck when you see guys rush
Speaker 4: that come forward and they talk about this and then
Speaker 4: you hear, you know, my friends outside the community, all
Speaker 4: they hear is these guys saying, yes, I know all
Speaker 4: about it, but I can't talk about it here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean I got used to that. It is,
Speaker 5: I understand that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then and then you hear what I'll talk about
Speaker 4: it in a private skift with you. Do you know, Grush,
Speaker 4: it is still not spoken to these guys. I literally
Speaker 4: I just found that out a few months ago because
Speaker 4: I thought, like an idiot that I am, I assumed.
Speaker 4: Well a week later he went in and told them
Speaker 4: everything never happened. No, that's insane.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the politics behind its security clearances. Who's got
Speaker 5: what level to be able to actually sit in the
Speaker 5: skiff and take this information? And I know there was
Speaker 5: a lot of back and forth with that happening, And yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just a whole game behind it all. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of frustration in the wholes of Congress about that,
Speaker 5: in the House and in the Senate. So yeah, it's unfortunate,
Speaker 5: it really is.
Speaker 4: Let's take a break there, Vinnie. When we come back,
Speaker 4: we're going to talk to you more about your overall
Speaker 4: thoughts on this phenomenon. After looking at it for nearly
Speaker 4: fifteen years. You were listening to beyond contact on the
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio went coast to coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. We
Speaker 4: are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're speaking
Speaker 4: with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team. Vinnie, So, overall,
Speaker 4: you've had it over a decade, almost fifteen years of
Speaker 4: looking into this topic. Do you personally believe that some
Speaker 4: of these UAPs are indeed extraterrestrial or non human origin?
Speaker 5: I do, absolutely, Yeah. I believe that this has been
Speaker 5: going on for as long as mankind has been here,
Speaker 5: if not longer. I think it's just a fact. I
Speaker 5: say that people hate people who pick up on that,
Speaker 5: will like show me the facts. Well, you know, I
Speaker 5: think it's.
Speaker 4: Enough for me to It'll come out of this whole thing. Oh,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think there's enough data and stories
Speaker 5: and you know, historical records to show this. And you know,
Speaker 5: in my research, I think some of the better cases
Speaker 5: that I would would consider to be genuine NHI cases
Speaker 5: did happen in the fifties and the sixties that I
Speaker 5: just overlooked these days. We're looking now at you know,
Speaker 5: the nimits and all that, those kind of cases which
Speaker 5: are great in themselves, but you know, one thing I
Speaker 5: always say to people is go back into the historical record,
Speaker 5: because there are archived documents where you can see a
Speaker 5: lot of similarities between what's happening now and what's been
Speaker 5: happening in the past.
Speaker 4: So where do you sit with the source of this phenomenon?
Speaker 4: And I know we're talking about an unknown I just
Speaker 4: like to see where people fall. Like we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 4: there's so many different theories that have evolved over the
Speaker 4: last few years, from inter dimensional travel to faster than
Speaker 4: light speed travel, ultraterrestrials, crypto terrestrials, extra tempestrials, you know,
Speaker 4: time travelers. So where where do you sit and has
Speaker 4: it evolved for you over time?
Speaker 5: Yeah? It always, it always changes, And I think you
Speaker 5: know that. To me, if I sit down and think
Speaker 5: about the extraterrestrial hypothesis that these guys are traveling from
Speaker 5: vast distances into space, I always thought that, you know,
Speaker 5: that's what we're dealing with, we're dealing with et But
Speaker 5: over the years, obviously that's changed with the more study
Speaker 5: and I've been doing, the more people I've been speaking to. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: the ultraterrestrial, cryptoterrestrial, interdimensional, But I think that we're probably
Speaker 5: looking at something that may involve all of those things
Speaker 5: somewhat combined. Again, it might be something that we're close
Speaker 5: to imagining, but we're not quite there yet. It'd be
Speaker 5: so far beyond what we can comprehend. We always anthropomorthesize everything.
Speaker 5: We think like a human. Well, we can't think like
Speaker 5: in an hi, and so I think it's just outside
Speaker 5: of our reach what the actual true origin may be.
Speaker 4: I I got so many of your thoughts on this
Speaker 4: because I feel the same exact way. I feel like
Speaker 4: this might be so far beyond our comprehension that we
Speaker 4: just can't even get our hands around it. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like this zomenon is so much more complex than
Speaker 4: just a distant aerospace company that built a shift that
Speaker 4: flew here, which is how I started in this, and
Speaker 4: I think many of us started with the nuts and
Speaker 4: bolts thing. Then it developed and you get to hear
Speaker 4: the stories from firsthand witnesses and you learn more about it,
Speaker 4: and there's so many different phenomenon that seem to kind
Speaker 4: of overlap with one another. Also, there seems to be
Speaker 4: this component even that has to do with our souls
Speaker 4: or our higher consciousness. I think I heard Whitley Streeber
Speaker 4: recently say that some component from the visitors that definitely
Speaker 4: involves death in the afterlife, and I think this rings
Speaker 4: true from many of the first hand accounts of people
Speaker 4: I've talked to. What do you think about that?
Speaker 5: I certainly wouldn't rule it anything out like that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I did come from a very nuts and balts research background,
Speaker 5: and I've had to learn very quickly in the last
Speaker 5: few years that I need to kind of open my
Speaker 5: viewpoints up on that and really embrace the kind of
Speaker 5: consciousness aspects of this phenomenon. I think I can't keep
Speaker 5: looking at it in one dimension. There is so much
Speaker 5: more to it, and that the more the years go by,
Speaker 5: the more these things come out that it is all connected.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I'm very open now to not trying
Speaker 5: to pinpoint it down to one single thing, and that
Speaker 5: you know, again, it may be something that's so much
Speaker 5: bigger than what we initially anticipated.
Speaker 4: That's one of the hardest things to do doing what
Speaker 4: we do is talking about something that's an unknown. The
Speaker 4: more people know what's going on, the less I believe them,
Speaker 4: the more they're like, Nope, it's Auctorians, They're coming here.
Speaker 4: Every Thursday whatever. The more they know it, the less
Speaker 4: I'm likely to believe it. I feel in a certain way,
Speaker 4: the more I learn about this, and the more first
Speaker 4: hand accounts I hear, the further from the answers, I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm really getting it's getting harder and harder
Speaker 4: to get my head around it. And I think this
Speaker 4: is going to be a problem for us that most
Speaker 4: people don't talk about. I'm always sort of subconsciously thinking
Speaker 4: about just talking to the choir here, but trying to
Speaker 4: bring people that don't know anything about this into this
Speaker 4: community and kind of open their eyes to what's happening here.
Speaker 4: I think it is easier for my mom, let's say,
Speaker 4: to get her head around, Oh, there's another planet and
Speaker 4: people live there, and they built a craft and fluid here. Oh,
Speaker 4: I can kind of imagine that, you know, starting to
Speaker 4: talk about inner dimensional talking to people that have died
Speaker 4: and lived on other planets. Now it's like, Okay, you're lost, right.
Speaker 4: Doesn't it get more the more complicated this gets. I
Speaker 4: think it's going to be harder to relay that to
Speaker 4: the masses.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree completely, but I always again look at
Speaker 5: it when I try and look at things from a
Speaker 5: positive I think that just happen that conversation with people
Speaker 5: about this subject is just going to normalize it further
Speaker 5: down the line when we do start getting more information,
Speaker 5: which you know, again I'm confident we will get at
Speaker 5: some point in the future. So you know, it's rather
Speaker 5: than me trying to sort of come to a conclusion
Speaker 5: and try and tell people is this or is that?
Speaker 5: Just to just to make the actual convass itself something
Speaker 5: that we can do without having to kind of really
Speaker 5: struggle for an answer. Just that's just normalize the conversation
Speaker 5: and the subject in itself. I think that helps massively.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you, who do you think does
Speaker 4: know about this? If anyone? Is it just the US
Speaker 4: government or is it really buried in these deep black budget,
Speaker 4: unacknowledged programs that we hear about. I think a lot
Speaker 4: of these officials, you know, from ERRO or whoever, who
Speaker 4: come out and say they don't know anything and we
Speaker 4: don't have anything, they don't know anything. I think these
Speaker 4: guys have total plausible deniability because they don't tell them
Speaker 4: and that's who they put out there to be the spokesperson.
Speaker 4: We just talked earlier that maybe as few as twenty
Speaker 4: people in the world know the full picture. You know,
Speaker 4: I can imagine that most people don't know the full story.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, I think it will always
Speaker 5: remain compartmentalized right to the top, right to you know,
Speaker 5: to those people. I think there will be the small
Speaker 5: minority who may have seen the often seen the bodies
Speaker 5: and be aware of that, but they may not have
Speaker 5: the full picture of you know, where the craft came
Speaker 5: from or or things like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, just how it's getting here. Is it vibrational,
Speaker 4: is it inter dimensional? Is it? I mean, even if
Speaker 4: you've studied it, I think it's just so far past us.
Speaker 4: You can imagine taking an iPhone to somebody two hundred
Speaker 4: years ago, like without all the steps to get to
Speaker 4: the iPhone, it would just I don't think they could
Speaker 4: even get their head around an iPhone. You know, used
Speaker 4: to see in the movies that take a picture of someone,
Speaker 4: you know, at a tribe, and it would be an
Speaker 4: install what do you call those? An instamatic camera where
Speaker 4: the picture comes right out and they'd be like, you
Speaker 4: stole my soul or whatever, Like they didn't get their
Speaker 4: head around it. You know. I think I think an
Speaker 4: iPhone would do the same thing to somebody without any
Speaker 4: frame of reference. You know it is.
Speaker 5: And that's what I do struggle slightly with the thoughts
Speaker 5: that a lot of these craft that people see ours,
Speaker 5: you know, the TR three B and the kind of stories.
Speaker 5: I do struggle with that to some degree. I've not
Speaker 5: seen enough evidence, or even a hint of evidence to
Speaker 5: say that we've cracked anti gravity in that way. Theres
Speaker 5: a lot of people out there will say, well, we
Speaker 5: cracked anti gravity in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 4: Well, doctor Griss did three We've had it. Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'd love to believe it, but I
Speaker 5: can't blindly believe that. I just can't do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of this stuff is as scary to
Speaker 4: think about and as unknown as the alien idea itself.
Speaker 4: You know, who has this knowledge and who's doing what?
Speaker 4: You know, we have no idea what let's call it
Speaker 4: the alien. We have no idea what the alien agenda
Speaker 4: might be, or what it even is. You know, it
Speaker 4: could all it could be all of the above. But
Speaker 4: there's so many different races we hear about that people
Speaker 4: have claimed to have interacted with. There's different experiences people
Speaker 4: have claimed to have had, and it's it's really hard
Speaker 4: to pin down what's happening, but it's very hard for
Speaker 4: me to deny that something is indeed happening.
Speaker 5: Everyone looks at this in different ways, and so it's
Speaker 5: just so hot to really know what's going on.
Speaker 4: And I think that you know, we're always looking at
Speaker 4: this through our own lens and our own time. They
Speaker 4: may even be like waiting for us to evolve to
Speaker 4: a certain thing. It's just it's so speculative. So let's
Speaker 4: take a break. When we come back, we're going to
Speaker 4: talk to Vini about drones, UAPs and orbs and other
Speaker 4: things people are seeing in the sky. You're listening to
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Speaker 4: we're talking to Vinnie Adams today. If any like me,
Speaker 4: I don't think you've ever had a first hand experience
Speaker 4: with the phenomenon, or really I think you might have
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier you had one UFO sweading that may have
Speaker 4: been a UFO is there right?
Speaker 5: Back in twenty twenty two, I was part of a
Speaker 5: team that went out to Columbia to investigate a light
Speaker 5: phenomena that had been seen on a mountain range out
Speaker 5: there for hundreds of years, and there were these kind
Speaker 5: of glowing orbs that would appear quite rarely on this mountain.
Speaker 5: So I went out there, spoke to a lot of
Speaker 5: indigenous people about the phenomena that their ancestors had been
Speaker 5: speaking about, and lo and behold, the night before I left,
Speaker 5: I actually witnessed that phenomena, and we actually caught video
Speaker 5: of it as well. And so to see these strange
Speaker 5: plasma kind of orbs at this mountain peak at nighttime
Speaker 5: where there are no people walking up there. The mountains
Speaker 5: are closed, you know, you have to get special permission
Speaker 5: to walk up them, certainly not at nighttime. So I
Speaker 5: have seen a strange plasma orb that is it natural phenomena,
Speaker 5: a really rare earthlight of some sort. Potentially, if I
Speaker 5: was to believe everything that the the indigenous people would say,
Speaker 5: they would say it's their ancestors and its spirits and
Speaker 5: it's and some of them would say it is you know,
Speaker 5: visitors from other dimensions. So that's my one sighting that
Speaker 5: I've never been able to fully conclude.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, how you know, I have one
Speaker 4: little siting myself that I can't think one. You know,
Speaker 4: So you and I really haven't had serious experiences or
Speaker 4: anything definitive or anything big like many people in the
Speaker 4: community have, yet we're so immersed within this community. It's interesting.
Speaker 4: What makes you so driven to have such a deep
Speaker 4: interest in this topic.
Speaker 5: You know, I grew up, I grew up as a
Speaker 5: child in the nineteen eighties and we were just inundated
Speaker 5: with such a plethora of fantastic science fiction movies and
Speaker 5: TV series, and so I think that as a young child,
Speaker 5: it really opened my eyes up to the big questions
Speaker 5: of what could be out there and that we're just
Speaker 5: not the be all and end all of you know,
Speaker 5: the universe. And so I think that just I just
Speaker 5: carried that through my life, just having this curious to
Speaker 5: want to know more than just this planet, and it
Speaker 5: never really left me. And now that I've been doing
Speaker 5: this for so long, I feel the more I do it,
Speaker 5: the more I need to continue doing it. I could
Speaker 5: never just go, well, there's twenty years now, I quit.
Speaker 5: I'm just not that kind of person. So I'm in
Speaker 5: it for the long run, gotcha.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this show is UFO centric, of course, but anything
Speaker 4: that we don't understand or don't know I'm curious about.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the interesting stuff to me. Hearing what
Speaker 4: we already know about over and over on the news
Speaker 4: just has no interest to me whatsoever. I'm only interested
Speaker 4: in finding the truth about these things that we don't
Speaker 4: know about. You and I are both going to be
Speaker 4: taking part in this online conference coming up in March.
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be called UFO three sixty Science,
Speaker 4: Psionics and Society, and we're going to talk about drones
Speaker 4: orbs and government disclosure. There's recent drone settings I wanted
Speaker 4: to ask you about. It started here, I think in
Speaker 4: New Jersey around November eighteenth, and we've been dealing with
Speaker 4: it for quite some time. Can you give me just
Speaker 4: a quick heart take and what you think this is
Speaker 4: all about? Wow?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a difficult one because there has been such
Speaker 5: a lack of, you know, really clear information on it.
Speaker 5: And this is why it's still to this day is
Speaker 5: kind of ongoing, even though we very recently had a
Speaker 5: White House statement saying that it was just all FAA
Speaker 5: approved drones. Well, I think anybody in this community does
Speaker 5: not buy that for one second.
Speaker 4: Why all of a sudden would we do this, And
Speaker 4: they said that they're doing research and various other things.
Speaker 4: What you couldn't be more vague that that was as
Speaker 4: lame of an excuse as I've heard about anything.
Speaker 5: So I'm.
Speaker 4: We'll obviously dig deeper into this over on the conference,
Speaker 4: but that was pretty disappointing, that statement. But we see them,
Speaker 4: you know, they seem to be associated with military bases
Speaker 4: and nuclear facilities. Is the same over there. I think
Speaker 4: I heard that they were seeing near bent Waters and
Speaker 4: Rundolsham Forest for you guys, right, which used to be
Speaker 4: a nuclear.
Speaker 5: For sort of Yeah, so there's a few bases in
Speaker 5: that area. So they were actually over arif Lakenheath I
Speaker 5: think at the start of November, And you know, I
Speaker 5: was following the story from from day one and have
Speaker 5: spoken to witnesses over here who were going down to
Speaker 5: the base and filming these things and seeing them, and
Speaker 5: you know, there was definitely some anomalous activities happening. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying the objects necessarily were anomalous, but the way
Speaker 5: that they were flying and there was no sound and
Speaker 5: the lights and that these were not your everyday average drones.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of confusion. There was fighter jets being
Speaker 5: sent up to try and intercept them, and they were
Speaker 5: just not getting anywhere close to these things. And then
Speaker 5: obviously it switched over to the US, to New Jersey
Speaker 5: and actually other places as well. And you know, it's
Speaker 5: been going on for a few years here and there
Speaker 5: as well. It's not just you know, the end of
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four and that. And I think if you
Speaker 5: look at the big picture, I think we've got commercial drones.
Speaker 5: I think we've got some advanced type of drones. There
Speaker 5: is a very small minority of these that actually could
Speaker 5: be something genuinely anomalous.
Speaker 4: It could be. I just it's so hard to say,
Speaker 4: just like all of this stuff, and it struggles for
Speaker 4: me because I just wanted to know the answer. I
Speaker 4: just hope I lived long enough to get some of
Speaker 4: these answers. Otherwise I feel like all this is all wasted.
Speaker 4: Has your personal worldview changed since you became involved in
Speaker 4: the UAP thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's And it's changed me as a person.
Speaker 5: I think it's made me realize what's important in my
Speaker 5: life a little bit more, you know, materialism and just
Speaker 5: the way you live your day to day life. I
Speaker 5: think this has kind of made me look at life
Speaker 5: a lot differently of what's really important, you know. So
Speaker 5: I think it's made me more empathic to people, and
Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel like I kind of broke
Speaker 5: It's kind of a cheesy phrase, but you know, broke
Speaker 5: out that matrix of you know, every day nine to five,
Speaker 5: live to work, and I kind of feel much better
Speaker 5: being in this kind of situation.
Speaker 4: I completely agree. I feel the same way again. And
Speaker 4: you often hear many experiencers will say that too, that
Speaker 4: they've change their lives. People that were hunters stop hunting.
Speaker 4: They say that they have changed their whole view on
Speaker 4: how they should live their lives, which is an interesting
Speaker 4: byproduct of this experience. It really is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it's still every day is
Speaker 5: a work in progress as well for me, you know,
Speaker 5: the way, you know, because I'm just open to learning
Speaker 5: new things and looking at things through a new lens.
Speaker 5: And I'm happy to I'm happy to, you know, with
Speaker 5: even with this whole subject, I'm happy to be wrong
Speaker 5: about things, you know. I think a lot of people
Speaker 5: might not be able to say that because they're so
Speaker 5: convinced that they have the answers and they know this
Speaker 5: is that and that is this. Well, I'm very happy
Speaker 5: and confident in myself to say I don't really know
Speaker 5: that much, and I'm happy to be to be taught things,
Speaker 5: and I'm happy to learn and change my mind and
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: If disclosure does have Bret, how do you think this
Speaker 4: would impact society at large? Like, do you think we're
Speaker 4: prepared for this sort of paradigm shift for the regular folks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really big question contemplated in so many ways.
Speaker 5: I think everyone's different in how they'll react, and I
Speaker 5: think society based on where they are in the world
Speaker 5: and things like that. You know, I think that whatever happens,
Speaker 5: the human race is resilient. I think we always bounce
Speaker 5: back when things happen. It's really hard to say. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, it's when people say the world isn't ready
Speaker 5: or the world is ready. I mean, I would never
Speaker 5: want to speak on behalf of anybody other than myself.
Speaker 5: I'd like to think that I'm ready, and then someone
Speaker 5: might say to me, well, what if it's really really
Speaker 5: scary and it's more than that. Well, I think I'd
Speaker 5: still want to know. I have a young daughter, I
Speaker 5: want to know what kind of world that she's going
Speaker 5: to live in even when I'm gone, and things like that,
Speaker 5: you know. So that's the only real answer I can
Speaker 5: give is how I would feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that, yep, And I wonder. It does
Speaker 4: feel to me like there is certainly more of an
Speaker 4: awareness happening sort of worldwide, I think, and even just
Speaker 4: recently at least here, we're seeing an increase Like I
Speaker 4: feel like there's been an onslaught of documentaries and shows
Speaker 4: lately that are really well done with really credible people.
Speaker 4: And I think that's really, you know, kind of entering
Speaker 4: the zeitgeist of you will. Are you seeing that in
Speaker 4: the UK as well?
Speaker 5: I mean, we pretty much do get a lot of
Speaker 5: the stuff that you guys get. We don't really we
Speaker 5: get a few things of our own, but generally is
Speaker 5: it's us and I think it's great. I think it's
Speaker 5: absolutely wonderful. The amount of people doing podcasts and documentaries
Speaker 5: and TV shows. I think it's great.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I often hear people say that it's too saturated now,
Speaker 5: there's too much out there. Well I disagree. I think
Speaker 5: the more we have the better, because it's more eyes,
Speaker 5: more ears, listening and watching being able to then go
Speaker 5: and have that conversation with friends and family who may
Speaker 5: not have this subject on their radar. I think it's
Speaker 5: nothing but positive.
Speaker 4: One last question for you, my man. Do you feel
Speaker 4: that the Bolivian potato market has been influenced by the
Speaker 4: rise and cheap labor in the Venezuelan in Venezuela?
Speaker 5: Could be you never know? Oh, just a good question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey man, working people find your stuff.
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Speaker 5: is type it in and you'll find it. And I'm
Speaker 5: always kind of quite active on all of those, so yeah,
Speaker 5: it'd be great to see people there.
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