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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 4: Talked with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact on

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Speaker 4: Captain Ron, and today I'm going to be speaking with

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Speaker 4: Vinnie Adams from the Disclosure Team. Vinnie is a UFO researcher, writer,

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Speaker 4: social media creator and host of the podcast Disclosure Team.

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Speaker 4: He is coming to Contact in the Desert this year

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Speaker 4: for the first time ever, and we're very happy to

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Speaker 4: have him there. And he's based in the UK, you

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Speaker 4: can tell by his accent, and it's going to be

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Speaker 4: very interesting to hear how disclosure is looked at over

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Speaker 4: in the UK versus how it is here in the US. Hey, Vinnie,

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Speaker 4: good to see him, my man, Ron.

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Speaker 5: It's an absolute pleasure to join you here and beyond

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Speaker 5: contact and also I cannot wait for contacts in the desert.

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Speaker 4: You're going to be hooked after your first time, I

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Speaker 4: promise you that's been the extent I know. Okay, so listen,

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Speaker 4: let's start here where you are over in the UK.

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Speaker 4: I want to see how are things perceived that like,

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Speaker 4: how does it compare to the US. I know you

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Speaker 4: spend a lot of time here in the US, so

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Speaker 4: you may have a sense of that. How is big

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Speaker 4: D disclosure viewed in the UK?

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Speaker 5: Do you know what Ron? I think? To be honest,

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Speaker 5: Big D disclosure really isn't talked about at all when

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Speaker 5: it comes to media and the general public at all. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: we are very much behind when it comes to the

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Speaker 5: the newspapers, it's very much in the kind of tabloids

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Speaker 5: and it's you know, little Green men and X files

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Speaker 5: of journalists that have started to latch onto the subject,

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Speaker 5: but unfortunately it's just too few and far between to

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, what about even in the UFO community in

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Speaker 5: I think there are two ways I look at it.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to that, I think there is a

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Speaker 5: when it comes to you know, communication and getting the

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Speaker 5: There used to be a bit more free talking about it.

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Speaker 5: They would you know, have released documents every now and again,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it was that way here forever

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Speaker 4: be a political thing. Do you have any sense of that.

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Speaker 4: An excellent point, is exactly what? When I think about this,

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Speaker 5: I agree. I think there's something to be said about

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Speaker 4: Even a big country like Brazil. I think, I think

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Speaker 4: move the needle, as most things don't. I want to

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Speaker 4: ask you this, how do you feel about the idea

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Speaker 4: small group in an unacknowledged program that may even be

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Speaker 4: a worldwide group, who doesn't care about these country borders.

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Speaker 4: They you know, they hold this information. Do you think

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Speaker 5: I think it's probably quite known that there are small groups,

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Speaker 5: I always used to think that, you know, these secrets

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Speaker 5: for them, they call them purple novas. They are very

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Speaker 5: very small, compartmentalized groups of people in the know, who

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Speaker 4: Makes logical sense to me that, just like the nuclear

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Speaker 4: there is a small contingent that knows about this. I

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Speaker 4: just do not see any way that they release this.

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Speaker 4: No matter how many of these whistleblowers come forward and

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Speaker 4: how many of these things happen, I do not see

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Speaker 4: What's the upside for them?

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Speaker 5: No, you raise a really good point. I think you're

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Speaker 5: It's they've been holding onto this stuff for so many decades.

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Speaker 5: I believe that within aerospace and sort of non government

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Speaker 4: I would love to see that happen. You know, it's

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Speaker 5: It is That's the thing. It's so compartmentalized. I think

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Speaker 4: I side from disclosure itself, how do you think just

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Speaker 5: Don't think there is much different, to be honest. I

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Speaker 4: a very centric feel like I don't think that's an

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Speaker 4: equal footing. If you will, I think that, yeah, you

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Speaker 4: I just yeah, the hubris we have is kind of horrible. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So you've been immersed this for quite some time. Do

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Speaker 4: this for about eleven twelve years, and you know, we

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Speaker 4: always hear about possible more whistleblowers coming out, microbits of

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm an eternal optimist, so I try and look

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Speaker 4: Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald.

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Speaker 4: I'm speaking with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team.

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Speaker 4: Vinnie and your show Disclosure Team. Do you focus specifically

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Speaker 4: with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team. Vinnie, So, overall,

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Speaker 5: in my research, I think some of the better cases

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Speaker 5: that I would would consider to be genuine NHI cases

436
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 5: did happen in the fifties and the sixties that I

437
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 5: just overlooked these days. We're looking now at you know,

438
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 5: the nimits and all that, those kind of cases which

439
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 5: are great in themselves, but you know, one thing I

440
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 5: always say to people is go back into the historical record,

441
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 5: because there are archived documents where you can see a

442
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 5: lot of similarities between what's happening now and what's been

443
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Speaker 5: happening in the past.

444
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Speaker 4: So where do you sit with the source of this phenomenon?

445
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 4: And I know we're talking about an unknown I just

446
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Speaker 4: like to see where people fall. Like we mentioned earlier,

447
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: there's so many different theories that have evolved over the

448
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 4: last few years, from inter dimensional travel to faster than

449
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 4: light speed travel, ultraterrestrials, crypto terrestrials, extra tempestrials, you know,

450
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 4: time travelers. So where where do you sit and has

451
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 4: it evolved for you over time?

452
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Speaker 5: Yeah? It always, it always changes, And I think you

453
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 5: know that. To me, if I sit down and think

454
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 5: about the extraterrestrial hypothesis that these guys are traveling from

455
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 5: vast distances into space, I always thought that, you know,

456
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 5: that's what we're dealing with, we're dealing with et But

457
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 5: over the years, obviously that's changed with the more study

458
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 5: and I've been doing, the more people I've been speaking to. So, yeah,

459
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Speaker 5: the ultraterrestrial, cryptoterrestrial, interdimensional, But I think that we're probably

460
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Speaker 5: looking at something that may involve all of those things

461
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 5: somewhat combined. Again, it might be something that we're close

462
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 5: to imagining, but we're not quite there yet. It'd be

463
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 5: so far beyond what we can comprehend. We always anthropomorthesize everything.

464
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Speaker 5: We think like a human. Well, we can't think like

465
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Speaker 5: in an hi, and so I think it's just outside

466
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Speaker 5: of our reach what the actual true origin may be.

467
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Speaker 4: I I got so many of your thoughts on this

468
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Speaker 4: because I feel the same exact way. I feel like

469
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Speaker 4: this might be so far beyond our comprehension that we

470
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 4: just can't even get our hands around it. You know.

471
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Speaker 4: It's like this zomenon is so much more complex than

472
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 4: just a distant aerospace company that built a shift that

473
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: flew here, which is how I started in this, and

474
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Speaker 4: I think many of us started with the nuts and

475
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: bolts thing. Then it developed and you get to hear

476
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Speaker 4: the stories from firsthand witnesses and you learn more about it,

477
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Speaker 4: and there's so many different phenomenon that seem to kind

478
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: of overlap with one another. Also, there seems to be

479
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: this component even that has to do with our souls

480
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Speaker 4: or our higher consciousness. I think I heard Whitley Streeber

481
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Speaker 4: recently say that some component from the visitors that definitely

482
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Speaker 4: involves death in the afterlife, and I think this rings

483
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Speaker 4: true from many of the first hand accounts of people

484
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Speaker 4: I've talked to. What do you think about that?

485
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Speaker 5: I certainly wouldn't rule it anything out like that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

487
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Speaker 5: I did come from a very nuts and balts research background,

488
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Speaker 5: and I've had to learn very quickly in the last

489
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Speaker 5: few years that I need to kind of open my

490
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 5: viewpoints up on that and really embrace the kind of

491
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: consciousness aspects of this phenomenon. I think I can't keep

492
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: looking at it in one dimension. There is so much

493
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 5: more to it, and that the more the years go by,

494
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 5: the more these things come out that it is all connected.

495
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Speaker 5: And so yeah, I'm very open now to not trying

496
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Speaker 5: to pinpoint it down to one single thing, and that

497
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Speaker 5: you know, again, it may be something that's so much

498
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Speaker 5: bigger than what we initially anticipated.

499
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Speaker 4: That's one of the hardest things to do doing what

500
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 4: we do is talking about something that's an unknown. The

501
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: more people know what's going on, the less I believe them,

502
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 4: the more they're like, Nope, it's Auctorians, They're coming here.

503
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 4: Every Thursday whatever. The more they know it, the less

504
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 4: I'm likely to believe it. I feel in a certain way,

505
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 4: the more I learn about this, and the more first

506
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 4: hand accounts I hear, the further from the answers, I

507
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 4: feel like I'm really getting it's getting harder and harder

508
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 4: to get my head around it. And I think this

509
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: is going to be a problem for us that most

510
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 4: people don't talk about. I'm always sort of subconsciously thinking

511
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: about just talking to the choir here, but trying to

512
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 4: bring people that don't know anything about this into this

513
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: community and kind of open their eyes to what's happening here.

514
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: I think it is easier for my mom, let's say,

515
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 4: to get her head around, Oh, there's another planet and

516
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: people live there, and they built a craft and fluid here. Oh,

517
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: I can kind of imagine that, you know, starting to

518
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: talk about inner dimensional talking to people that have died

519
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: and lived on other planets. Now it's like, Okay, you're lost, right.

520
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: Doesn't it get more the more complicated this gets. I

521
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: think it's going to be harder to relay that to

522
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Speaker 4: the masses.

523
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree completely, but I always again look at

524
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Speaker 5: it when I try and look at things from a

525
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 5: positive I think that just happen that conversation with people

526
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 5: about this subject is just going to normalize it further

527
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 5: down the line when we do start getting more information,

528
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 5: which you know, again I'm confident we will get at

529
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Speaker 5: some point in the future. So you know, it's rather

530
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 5: than me trying to sort of come to a conclusion

531
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Speaker 5: and try and tell people is this or is that?

532
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 5: Just to just to make the actual convass itself something

533
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 5: that we can do without having to kind of really

534
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: struggle for an answer. Just that's just normalize the conversation

535
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: and the subject in itself. I think that helps massively.

536
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Speaker 4: I want to ask you, who do you think does

537
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: know about this? If anyone? Is it just the US

538
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 4: government or is it really buried in these deep black budget,

539
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 4: unacknowledged programs that we hear about. I think a lot

540
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 4: of these officials, you know, from ERRO or whoever, who

541
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: come out and say they don't know anything and we

542
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 4: don't have anything, they don't know anything. I think these

543
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: guys have total plausible deniability because they don't tell them

544
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 4: and that's who they put out there to be the spokesperson.

545
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: We just talked earlier that maybe as few as twenty

546
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 4: people in the world know the full picture. You know,

547
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: I can imagine that most people don't know the full story.

548
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, I think it will always

549
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: remain compartmentalized right to the top, right to you know,

550
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: to those people. I think there will be the small

551
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 5: minority who may have seen the often seen the bodies

552
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 5: and be aware of that, but they may not have

553
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: the full picture of you know, where the craft came

554
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: from or or things like that.

555
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, just how it's getting here. Is it vibrational,

556
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: is it inter dimensional? Is it? I mean, even if

557
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: you've studied it, I think it's just so far past us.

558
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: You can imagine taking an iPhone to somebody two hundred

559
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: years ago, like without all the steps to get to

560
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: the iPhone, it would just I don't think they could

561
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 4: even get their head around an iPhone. You know, used

562
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: to see in the movies that take a picture of someone,

563
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: you know, at a tribe, and it would be an

564
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: install what do you call those? An instamatic camera where

565
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: the picture comes right out and they'd be like, you

566
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: stole my soul or whatever, Like they didn't get their

567
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: head around it. You know. I think I think an

568
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: iPhone would do the same thing to somebody without any

569
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: frame of reference. You know it is.

570
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 5: And that's what I do struggle slightly with the thoughts

571
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 5: that a lot of these craft that people see ours,

572
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 5: you know, the TR three B and the kind of stories.

573
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: I do struggle with that to some degree. I've not

574
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 5: seen enough evidence, or even a hint of evidence to

575
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 5: say that we've cracked anti gravity in that way. Theres

576
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 5: a lot of people out there will say, well, we

577
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 5: cracked anti gravity in the nineteen fifties.

578
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: Well, doctor Griss did three We've had it. Yep.

579
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'd love to believe it, but I

580
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 5: can't blindly believe that. I just can't do it.

581
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of this stuff is as scary to

582
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: think about and as unknown as the alien idea itself.

583
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: You know, who has this knowledge and who's doing what?

584
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: You know, we have no idea what let's call it

585
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: the alien. We have no idea what the alien agenda

586
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: might be, or what it even is. You know, it

587
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: could all it could be all of the above. But

588
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: there's so many different races we hear about that people

589
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 4: have claimed to have interacted with. There's different experiences people

590
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: have claimed to have had, and it's it's really hard

591
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 4: to pin down what's happening, but it's very hard for

592
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: me to deny that something is indeed happening.

593
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Speaker 5: Everyone looks at this in different ways, and so it's

594
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 5: just so hot to really know what's going on.

595
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Speaker 4: And I think that you know, we're always looking at

596
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: this through our own lens and our own time. They

597
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: may even be like waiting for us to evolve to

598
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 4: a certain thing. It's just it's so speculative. So let's

599
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Speaker 4: take a break. When we come back, we're going to

600
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: talk to Vini about drones, UAPs and orbs and other

601
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: things people are seeing in the sky. You're listening to

602
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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

603
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact and

604
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: we're talking to Vinnie Adams today. If any like me,

605
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: I don't think you've ever had a first hand experience

606
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: with the phenomenon, or really I think you might have

607
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier you had one UFO sweading that may have

608
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: been a UFO is there right?

609
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Speaker 5: Back in twenty twenty two, I was part of a

610
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: team that went out to Columbia to investigate a light

611
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: phenomena that had been seen on a mountain range out

612
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 5: there for hundreds of years, and there were these kind

613
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 5: of glowing orbs that would appear quite rarely on this mountain.

614
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: So I went out there, spoke to a lot of

615
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 5: indigenous people about the phenomena that their ancestors had been

616
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 5: speaking about, and lo and behold, the night before I left,

617
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 5: I actually witnessed that phenomena, and we actually caught video

618
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: of it as well. And so to see these strange

619
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 5: plasma kind of orbs at this mountain peak at nighttime

620
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: where there are no people walking up there. The mountains

621
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: are closed, you know, you have to get special permission

622
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 5: to walk up them, certainly not at nighttime. So I

623
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 5: have seen a strange plasma orb that is it natural phenomena,

624
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 5: a really rare earthlight of some sort. Potentially, if I

625
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: was to believe everything that the the indigenous people would say,

626
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 5: they would say it's their ancestors and its spirits and

627
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 5: it's and some of them would say it is you know,

628
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: visitors from other dimensions. So that's my one sighting that

629
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: I've never been able to fully conclude.

630
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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, how you know, I have one

631
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: little siting myself that I can't think one. You know,

632
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: So you and I really haven't had serious experiences or

633
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: anything definitive or anything big like many people in the

634
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: community have, yet we're so immersed within this community. It's interesting.

635
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: What makes you so driven to have such a deep

636
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: interest in this topic.

637
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 5: You know, I grew up, I grew up as a

638
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: child in the nineteen eighties and we were just inundated

639
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 5: with such a plethora of fantastic science fiction movies and

640
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: TV series, and so I think that as a young child,

641
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: it really opened my eyes up to the big questions

642
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 5: of what could be out there and that we're just

643
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 5: not the be all and end all of you know,

644
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 5: the universe. And so I think that just I just

645
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: carried that through my life, just having this curious to

646
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: want to know more than just this planet, and it

647
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: never really left me. And now that I've been doing

648
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: this for so long, I feel the more I do it,

649
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 5: the more I need to continue doing it. I could

650
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Speaker 5: never just go, well, there's twenty years now, I quit.

651
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 5: I'm just not that kind of person. So I'm in

652
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 5: it for the long run, gotcha.

653
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, this show is UFO centric, of course, but anything

654
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: that we don't understand or don't know I'm curious about.

655
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the interesting stuff to me. Hearing what

656
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: we already know about over and over on the news

657
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: just has no interest to me whatsoever. I'm only interested

658
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: in finding the truth about these things that we don't

659
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: know about. You and I are both going to be

660
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: taking part in this online conference coming up in March.

661
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be called UFO three sixty Science,

662
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: Psionics and Society, and we're going to talk about drones

663
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: orbs and government disclosure. There's recent drone settings I wanted

664
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: to ask you about. It started here, I think in

665
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: New Jersey around November eighteenth, and we've been dealing with

666
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: it for quite some time. Can you give me just

667
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: a quick heart take and what you think this is

668
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: all about? Wow?

669
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a difficult one because there has been such

670
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 5: a lack of, you know, really clear information on it.

671
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: And this is why it's still to this day is

672
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 5: kind of ongoing, even though we very recently had a

673
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 5: White House statement saying that it was just all FAA

674
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 5: approved drones. Well, I think anybody in this community does

675
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 5: not buy that for one second.

676
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: Why all of a sudden would we do this, And

677
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 4: they said that they're doing research and various other things.

678
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: What you couldn't be more vague that that was as

679
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: lame of an excuse as I've heard about anything.

680
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 5: So I'm.

681
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: We'll obviously dig deeper into this over on the conference,

682
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: but that was pretty disappointing, that statement. But we see them,

683
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: you know, they seem to be associated with military bases

684
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: and nuclear facilities. Is the same over there. I think

685
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: I heard that they were seeing near bent Waters and

686
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: Rundolsham Forest for you guys, right, which used to be

687
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 4: a nuclear.

688
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 5: For sort of Yeah, so there's a few bases in

689
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 5: that area. So they were actually over arif Lakenheath I

690
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 5: think at the start of November, And you know, I

691
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 5: was following the story from from day one and have

692
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: spoken to witnesses over here who were going down to

693
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: the base and filming these things and seeing them, and

694
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: you know, there was definitely some anomalous activities happening. I'm

695
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 5: not saying the objects necessarily were anomalous, but the way

696
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 5: that they were flying and there was no sound and

697
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 5: the lights and that these were not your everyday average drones.

698
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: There's a lot of confusion. There was fighter jets being

699
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 5: sent up to try and intercept them, and they were

700
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: just not getting anywhere close to these things. And then

701
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 5: obviously it switched over to the US, to New Jersey

702
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 5: and actually other places as well. And you know, it's

703
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 5: been going on for a few years here and there

704
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 5: as well. It's not just you know, the end of

705
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four and that. And I think if you

706
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: look at the big picture, I think we've got commercial drones.

707
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 5: I think we've got some advanced type of drones. There

708
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: is a very small minority of these that actually could

709
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 5: be something genuinely anomalous.

710
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 4: It could be. I just it's so hard to say,

711
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: just like all of this stuff, and it struggles for

712
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: me because I just wanted to know the answer. I

713
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 4: just hope I lived long enough to get some of

714
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: these answers. Otherwise I feel like all this is all wasted.

715
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 4: Has your personal worldview changed since you became involved in

716
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 4: the UAP thing.

717
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's And it's changed me as a person.

718
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 5: I think it's made me realize what's important in my

719
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 5: life a little bit more, you know, materialism and just

720
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 5: the way you live your day to day life. I

721
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 5: think this has kind of made me look at life

722
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 5: a lot differently of what's really important, you know. So

723
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 5: I think it's made me more empathic to people, and

724
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel like I kind of broke

725
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 5: It's kind of a cheesy phrase, but you know, broke

726
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 5: out that matrix of you know, every day nine to five,

727
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 5: live to work, and I kind of feel much better

728
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: being in this kind of situation.

729
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: I completely agree. I feel the same way again. And

730
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: you often hear many experiencers will say that too, that

731
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 4: they've change their lives. People that were hunters stop hunting.

732
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: They say that they have changed their whole view on

733
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: how they should live their lives, which is an interesting

734
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: byproduct of this experience. It really is.

735
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think it's still every day is

736
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 5: a work in progress as well for me, you know,

737
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: the way, you know, because I'm just open to learning

738
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 5: new things and looking at things through a new lens.

739
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 5: And I'm happy to I'm happy to, you know, with

740
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 5: even with this whole subject, I'm happy to be wrong

741
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: about things, you know. I think a lot of people

742
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 5: might not be able to say that because they're so

743
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 5: convinced that they have the answers and they know this

744
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 5: is that and that is this. Well, I'm very happy

745
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 5: and confident in myself to say I don't really know

746
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: that much, and I'm happy to be to be taught things,

747
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: and I'm happy to learn and change my mind and

748
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff.

749
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: If disclosure does have Bret, how do you think this

750
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 4: would impact society at large? Like, do you think we're

751
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: prepared for this sort of paradigm shift for the regular folks.

752
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really big question contemplated in so many ways.

753
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 5: I think everyone's different in how they'll react, and I

754
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 5: think society based on where they are in the world

755
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 5: and things like that. You know, I think that whatever happens,

756
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: the human race is resilient. I think we always bounce

757
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 5: back when things happen. It's really hard to say. I think,

758
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 5: you know, it's when people say the world isn't ready

759
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 5: or the world is ready. I mean, I would never

760
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: want to speak on behalf of anybody other than myself.

761
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: I'd like to think that I'm ready, and then someone

762
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 5: might say to me, well, what if it's really really

763
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: scary and it's more than that. Well, I think I'd

764
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 5: still want to know. I have a young daughter, I

765
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: want to know what kind of world that she's going

766
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 5: to live in even when I'm gone, and things like that,

767
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 5: you know. So that's the only real answer I can

768
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 5: give is how I would feel.

769
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that, yep, And I wonder. It does

770
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 4: feel to me like there is certainly more of an

771
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: awareness happening sort of worldwide, I think, and even just

772
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: recently at least here, we're seeing an increase Like I

773
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: feel like there's been an onslaught of documentaries and shows

774
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 4: lately that are really well done with really credible people.

775
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 4: And I think that's really, you know, kind of entering

776
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: the zeitgeist of you will. Are you seeing that in

777
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 4: the UK as well?

778
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 5: I mean, we pretty much do get a lot of

779
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 5: the stuff that you guys get. We don't really we

780
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 5: get a few things of our own, but generally is

781
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: it's us and I think it's great. I think it's

782
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 5: absolutely wonderful. The amount of people doing podcasts and documentaries

783
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 5: and TV shows. I think it's great.

784
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: You know.

785
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 5: I often hear people say that it's too saturated now,

786
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 5: there's too much out there. Well I disagree. I think

787
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: the more we have the better, because it's more eyes,

788
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 5: more ears, listening and watching being able to then go

789
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: and have that conversation with friends and family who may

790
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 5: not have this subject on their radar. I think it's

791
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 5: nothing but positive.

792
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 4: One last question for you, my man. Do you feel

793
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: that the Bolivian potato market has been influenced by the

794
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: rise and cheap labor in the Venezuelan in Venezuela?

795
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: Could be you never know? Oh, just a good question.

796
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey man, working people find your stuff.

797
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 5: I'm on all kind of social media platforms Instagram, x,

798
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: Facebook and YouTube of course have a very familiar black

799
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: and white logo Disclosure Team. All you need to do

800
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 5: is type it in and you'll find it. And I'm

801
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 5: always kind of quite active on all of those, so yeah,

802
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: it'd be great to see people there.

803
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: Awesome. Thanks everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. You could

804
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: find all my stuff on Twitter and Instagram at CD

805
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806
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm