1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anna and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: One Never told you production of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: And and you I have a question for you. We 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: haven't done this in a while, but have you ever 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: had a work spouse or would you ever say that 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: you actually had a work spouse at any point in 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: time that you called them this. I don't think I've 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: ever called anyone that. 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: I would say, given the job we do and how 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: it kind of works, I've never called you that, but 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: I would say you Lauren from Safer and before that, 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Kristen from stuff one never told you the previous Pounder 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: notes like and it's kind of like your whole days 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: spent somewhat in involved in what they're doing, and you're 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: working together. Then I would say those those three. 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you can't have two work spouses any That's 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: not how this works. It's not no, like, this is 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: not a. 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: Thing my hands, isn't that it's so funny like according 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: to and we're gonna talk about some of the reasons 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: why you don't want to have it, this is one 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: of those reasons. 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: Jealousy within the workplace, because I used to make jokes 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: about this and uh, in my job as a bartender 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: slash h brewer and work in the breweries. I had 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: a dude who he and I were always paired together 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: because we had the same schedule. So I had two 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: people that I worked with specifically, and they're both dudes, 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: and one of them we were just laughing about the 30 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: fact that we only see each other and this is 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: so weird whatever, and he's like, oh, no, are you 32 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: my work wife, Like he said that way incredulously, and 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: I was like what, And then the whld joke was 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: that he was my work husband slash the dude the 35 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: other dude that I was working with with my boyfriend 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: my side piece, is how we joked about it, just 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: because he wasn't around as much as this one. But 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: like the one who said it, the original work spouse 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: was like married, happily with children and all these things, 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: like all all those things, and I never really thought 41 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: of it outside of we see each other at work 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: and we talk about work. End of story, Like we 43 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: don't really talk about personal life. We talk about our 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: other job because that was a part time job. His 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: job was difficult, my job was difficult, So we would 46 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: talk about that, but never anything else. So it wasn't 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: ever a thing outside of that, so it was very 48 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: innocent to me. And apparently like in my other job, 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: as when I worked as a social worker, I made 50 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: really good friends with this one dude that I thought 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: nothing about. But according to who is now another good 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: friend of mine from that workplace was like, you stole 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: him from me, and I was like what, Just like, yeah, 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: we used to. One of the things we would do 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: is go around and check up on our kids and 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: make school visits and house visits and make sure that 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: everything was going okay, and he and I would partner 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: up and do this every time. Part of the reason 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 2: is like he is a six foot seven dude, very big, 60 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, it's kind of nice 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: having this when I'm going to see kids who are 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: on the juvenile list and that I are all bigger 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: than me, So like this was not a bad thing, 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 2: but I didn't think anything about it. But I think 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: someone had told me at one point that his wife 66 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: at the time was not happy that I would be 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: in the car with him because we would drive together 68 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: to these places and he would either mention my name 69 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: or something like that. So I was like, oh, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: back and off real quick, back and off real quick. 71 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: Because in my mind I hung out with married men, 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: which is not a great sentiment, but because they were safe, 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: I did not think of them as again, we've had 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: this conversation of any being available, so therefore we were fine. 75 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: There would be no attachments, there would be no feelings 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: were good. That is my naivety of like, of course 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: he's married, why would he want to talk to me. 78 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: This is silly. We are just friends like it. Just 79 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: it didn't make sense or co work coworkers because we 80 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: didn't hang out outside of work. We didn't talk or 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: text each other outside of work. That was not a thing. 82 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: It was all in house. And of course he would 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about his wife, but never 84 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: his problems. It was more about like, oh, this are 85 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: some things that we're doing. We're building a house, we're 86 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: moving here, stuff like that. So in my head it 87 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: wasn't a big deal. Well, y'all, if you can't tell 88 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: what this Monday Mini is about, I think you've got 89 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: a hint. And we are talking about the work wife 90 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: work spouses now essentially, and we're going to cling to 91 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: that side of the story of like everything is not 92 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: what it seems. I guess because I've gotten so many tiktoks. Yes, 93 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: I know, I've talked about TikTok constantly for the past 94 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: six years, just getting have only bit on a fr 95 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: a couple of years. But anyway, and in the tech talks, 96 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: there's a whole about these stories of work wives gone wrong, 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: essentially a lot of cheating, a lot of infidelity, or 98 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: a lot of problems happening, which I'm not surprised, but 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: I didn't think that as in like I've called people 100 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 2: of work spouses where husbands being called the work wife 101 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: and never had any like ill intent. I will say 102 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: it that way. So to see it this way, it 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: feels dramatic, like it's a soap opera but apparently goes down, 104 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: Annie goes down. But of course, yes, I did go 105 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole. But before we talk about it, 106 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk about the brief history. And this is 107 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: according to the cut dot com and Wikipedia, So those 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: are the two sources I'm pulling from. So, according to 109 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 2: the cut dot Com. In a nineteen thirty three story 110 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: for The New York Times, the British journalist and British 111 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: liberal Party politician Philip wood Well Wilson attributed the term 112 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: office wife to Prime Minister William Ewart Gladstone, who parl 113 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: Wilson used it to describe the ideal relationship between a 114 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: prime minister and his secretary, and by secretary, Gladstone referred 115 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: not to the person in an office stereotypically a woman 116 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: who answers phones and completes other administrative tasks, but a 117 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: person stereotypically a man who serves as an advisor, ghostwriter, 118 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: schmoozer beneath a prominent politician, and by osmosis, absorbs some 119 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: of his political power. According to Gladstone, the relationship between 120 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: politician and secretary should mirror that of husband and wife, 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: except that both should be men. But still, I guess 122 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: office wife would be derogatory because he has less power 123 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: the office wife, but still wants to be a man, 124 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: right well, it goes on to say. The terms modern 125 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: connotations are most often attributed to the journalist David Owen, 126 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: who wrote a story called work marriage for the Atlantic 127 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven. Like Gladstone's before him, Owen's definition 128 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: of work marriage is allegedly platonic, but unlike Gladstone, as 129 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: far as I can tell anyway. According to the writer, 130 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: Owen explicitly explains that the appeal of a work wife 131 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: lies in her being very much like your quote home wife, 132 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: except she doesn't nag you. Your work wife would never 133 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: ask you why you don't just put your dishes right 134 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: into the dishwasher instead of leaving them in the sink. 135 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: She doesn't know you do it, he writes. Also, she 136 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: would never wedget your car between two others in the 137 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: parking lot at Bradley's, sign you up to be the 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: pie auction here at a church bazaar, or grab hold 139 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: of your stomach and ask what's this blubber? She knows 140 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: you only as you appear between nine and five, recently, 141 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 2: fully dressed, largely awake, and in control of your life. 142 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: In other words, your work wife finds you sexy long 143 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 2: after the woman you married does. So you can already 144 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 2: kind of tell the problem here. So from the Wikipedia page, 145 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: it says work spouses is a phrase, mostly in American English, 146 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: referring to a co worker with whom one shares a 147 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: special relationship, having bonds similar to those of a marriage. 148 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: Early references suggest that a work spouse may not just 149 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: be a coworker, but can also be someone in a 150 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: similar field who the individual works closely with from a 151 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: partnering company. A work spouse has been defined as a 152 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: special platonic friendship with a work colleague characterized by a 153 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: close emotional bond, high levels disclosure and support, and mutual trust, honesty, loyalty, 154 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: and respect. So again, all of these are supposed to 155 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: be platonic friendships, and yes, as you can tell, these 156 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: are more of the heteronormative ideas. In fact, the cut 157 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: article also notes that it does bring a layer of 158 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: hetero sexist ideas. Owen's work marriage and its larger cultural 159 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: adaptation is also exclusively exhaustingly heterosexist, close but platonic relationships 160 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: that can exist between coworkers of the opposite sex. The 161 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: woman coworker is a wife because that's the only way 162 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: her male superior can conceive of her presence in his 163 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: place of work, no matter her title. Her primary role 164 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: is to support him, and she has little to no 165 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: power in her own right. So obviously this kind of 166 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: goes hand in hand in that conversation we had about 167 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: weaponized incompetence, especially with sexism in the workplace. But Again, 168 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: that's not necessarily the focus here, which we should come 169 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: back to, because that's a whole different conversation that we 170 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: need to have and why that's not as qcy as 171 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: many of us think. But like this conversation in itself 172 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: about what it is and who it's belonging to and 173 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: who get is the title, and yeah, it does seem 174 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: that it's mainly about the work wives being a support 175 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: and that whole Owen's connentation of her seeing him as 176 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 2: sexy right after the many years of marriage with his wife, 177 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: even after that, which makes me cold, Like, who is 178 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: this dude? He can't know if he was married, He 179 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: wasn't married for long, right, There's no way he wrote 180 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: a whole damn article. Come on, yeah, like at this 181 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: point the wife was he never was married or he 182 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: just recently got divorced, was on the cuspod of divorce, 183 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: Like there's no way. 184 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean so much of this sounds 185 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: like what you hear when you hear about cheating anyway, right, 186 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: is that you know the usually in what we hear, 187 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: the woman in very ahead and arm of contacts who 188 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: the man is cheating with. She is seeing the side 189 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: of him that is not the side that the wife 190 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: is getting. 191 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: Right, the disaster of him not being. 192 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Supportive, like wanting someone to essentially just be like, Wow, 193 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: you're amazing. 194 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: You're so smart, I love your ideas. Oh yeah, and 195 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: you know it's it's that question is this title problematic 196 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: in the first place? And should partners and spouses be 197 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: worried or jealous? And what does that look like? So 198 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: there are studies that show that having good relationships and 199 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: the workplace can be healthy, even for your personal relationship. 200 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: So in a article written by FastCompany dot com, which 201 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: we've talked about when it comes to corporate stuff, Interestingly, 202 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: when you have a strong relationship with colleagues, it tends 203 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: to spill over into your life with your real spouse. 204 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: An intriguing study published and Applied Psychology found when you 205 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: have a great relationship with a friend at work, you'll 206 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: be more likely to build a strong, positive relationship with 207 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: your husband, wife, or partner. So that was interesting to me. 208 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: I was like, really, okay, I mean I think like, 209 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: as long as you're open, I know for the most part, yes, Annie, 210 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: I would call you my work spouse as well, because 211 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: you're the only person I pretty much talk to in 212 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: our workspace. But in that we also talk about the 213 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: fact that you're pretty much in a relationship with myself 214 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: and my partner because you fulfill needs for both of 215 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: us that aren't given by the other. So like you 216 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: give the gaming nerdy conversations that he is dying for 217 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: all day. So when y'all talk about the last of us, 218 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: when you talk about games, when you talk about D 219 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: and D and I just sit at there, sit and 220 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: stare at you with blank faces like I don't know 221 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: what's happening, but congratulations. I don't mind that at all. 222 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: I love that he for you, like he will fulfill 223 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: the world, Like I don't know what's going on in 224 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: Star Wars, but he loves it it. Wants to go 225 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: with you to these things, and I love that y'all 226 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: have fun. Like I literally tried to send him away 227 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: with you to do the Haunted House. His schedule wouldn't 228 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: allow it because I didn't want to do it, but 229 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: I didn't want you to be by yourself. But I 230 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: ended up doing it, But like that was one of 231 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: my plans. But also with that, like you and I 232 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: are very close and we are very like personal. You 233 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: come over often, well not as much anymore. But you 234 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: did come over often and we would have Sunday Sunday 235 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: Sundays and we would have personal conversations about what's going on. 236 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: I know about your family, you know about my family, 237 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: all these things, so like that's definitely an open book 238 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: as well as the fact that my partner knows about 239 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: everything pretty much we talk about like there's nothing that's 240 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: really that secretive and unless it's like a surprise gift 241 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: or something. And that's kind of how I think it's 242 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: a great relationship because it's open for all of us. 243 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: Like I don't hide anything I talk to you about 244 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: to him or you know all that. Of course, I 245 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: don't tell you everything about me and my partner talk 246 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: about necessarily because that's a different relationship on that level. 247 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: But like that's the same way with his coworkers. He 248 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: will come and tell me most of the things that 249 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: there's nothing really to like hide, even with the few 250 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: people that he talks to constantly because they have to 251 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: be online with each other to help each other work 252 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: from home. But there are those things that I'm like, Okay, 253 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: this seems healthy to me, and I think it brings 254 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: up better conversations the part of that is, like my 255 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: partner tells me a lot about work, and that's that's 256 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: a great conversation. That's kind of that common ground that 257 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: I know nothing about. But I can be supportive, right, 258 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: So that's different, Like I can see that as a thing. 259 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: And again Fast Company does make the point that the 260 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: majority of people, or majority of the friends that people 261 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: make is through work. It's kind of that proximity and 262 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: all that. That's all you've got a lot of the times, 263 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: unless you are creating new adult hobbies, which is awesome, 264 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: and are actually active in getting out there, most likely 265 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: the only places that you're able to make friends is 266 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: through work. And yeah, I think with the closest first, 267 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: I bring out like two or three friends per workplace 268 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: I've discovered, Yeah, which is pretty good. 269 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I would say probably two thirds of 270 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: my friends I made through work that I am in 271 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: constant like contact, right, right, And it's true. I mean, 272 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: if you're spending your time with them, you have common 273 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: shared experiences because you have things you can complain about together. Right, 274 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: it makes sense. 275 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: You're right, we complain a lot too. But again, this 276 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: proximity thing can be dangerous, especially when it's crossing boundaries. 277 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: According to a Newsweek art call, many people don't think 278 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: this type of relationship is appropriate, so they say. According 279 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: to a poll conducted by Redfield and with Wilton Strategies 280 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: for Newsweek, U of US adults that is okay to 281 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: have a work spouse, but forty five percent said it 282 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: wasn't appropriate, and the study goes on saying that it 283 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: could be a generational thing. Feelings about work spouses are 284 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: sharply divided along generational lines. Members of Gen Z and 285 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: Baby Boomers, which to me this is a huge gap, 286 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: are most likely to approve of work spouse relationships. The 287 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: middle cohorts, millennials, and Generation X are more likely to disapprove, 288 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: which I found is interesting because technically, again I would 289 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: be gen ic slash millennials. I'm an exllennial whatever that is. 290 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with it necessarily, This again 291 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: has an underlying aship not necessarily do you trust but 292 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: are they trustworthy? But the fact that it is like 293 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: gen Z and baby but was surprising to me. I 294 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: feel like those are two different reasons to why. 295 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, my d jerk answer would be, I don't know, 296 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: maybe I'm totally wrong, but I feel like a lot 297 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: of this feels so like Boomer generation, right, which is, 298 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: you know, women coming into the workplace, She's still going 299 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: to be subordinate to me, but she's in here. And 300 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: then the woman at home, because that was the situation 301 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: at the time. Most of the time, the wife may 302 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: be wondering why he's. 303 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: Still not home. 304 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: I can't share that part of her life with him. 305 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: I remember once this is such a weird story and 306 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: I still don't know what to make of it. But 307 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: one time my dad came home late and I kissed him. 308 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: I was like eight, I was young. I kissed him 309 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: on the cheek and I had I was like wearing 310 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: lipstick and it made like a you know, a little 311 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: kind of lipstick on his cheek. 312 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: And he was like, oh great, now you're your mom's 313 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: gonna be mad. She's gonna think I'm having an affair. 314 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: And you know, as a kid, I was like what what? 315 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would think it was it would be 316 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: much more they would think that. 317 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: But right, I don't I agree. I find that odd. 318 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: I find this like a lot. Then who did they ask? 319 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: Just a bunch of men who was like hell, yeah, yeah, 320 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: boomers who were like yeah, absolutely, Like I just think 321 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: of like a Madman generation of which is like I 322 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: feel like that was the not the startup, but the 323 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: beginning of the stereotype of like the secretary of fair things. 324 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is a big trope, and 325 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: that is true. It is a big trope. 326 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: So I just wonder if I were like the men 327 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: of that generation was like, yeah, we loved having work wives. 328 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: You know what this is me? What does that mean? 329 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: Or maybe it's just like back into that conversation of 330 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: like having someone who is your subordinate do all your 331 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: work for you and you get to take credit and 332 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: its usually a woman, Like is it that too, which 333 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: is also a part of mad Men? Right, So again, 334 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: according to Lovepanky dot com, I didn't make you say that, 335 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: You're welcome. There are some pros and cons to having 336 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: work spouses, and I feel like that was on everything, 337 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 2: and there's even like how to like being like, you know, 338 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: they were great. But some of the pros would be 339 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: companionship at work. Obviously, it's nice to have a friend 340 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: there so it's not an awful day at work being 341 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: able to collaborate with someone, and then it boosts your 342 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: confidence when you have someone backing you like, I definitely 343 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 2: have really great friends who, like we both would come 344 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: through and have conversations with about ideas and especially if 345 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: you need validation of like am I crazy for thinking 346 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: this was like off or this way and they're like no, no, no, 347 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: this is this. So having that, But then of course 348 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: there's the cons There's jealousy from other coworkers, which I 349 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: dealt with and some that I was like, wow, and 350 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: then we would just joke like I'm I'm just nicer 351 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: than you, Just kidding, but no, like having people being 352 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: jealous of other people's bonds, competition from co workers, and 353 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: trying to be closer to different people. Maybe it's closer 354 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: to the boss who knows, and it can cause problems 355 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: with your actual spouse, which again that's that big question 356 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: of like who who is being hurt here? Again, there 357 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: are things that I've seen on TikTok are far more 358 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: dramatic and life changing than what we were talking about here, 359 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: especially with the connotations of the conversation, like kind of 360 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: joking to me, it's such a joke term that didn't 361 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: really think about what that implies. But yeah, probably not 362 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: the best to go home to someone and be like, yeah, 363 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: my work wife and just keep referencing them as a 364 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: work wife and then that they're too into the joke. 365 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: I feel like that's a big red flag, like they need 366 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: to stop. There's something odd going on. There was all 367 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: these warning signs of them people being too close to 368 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: their work sposses, workwives, where husbands like the fact that, uh, 369 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: if they never want you to meet them, that's a 370 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: huge red flag and I would think that too. Yeah, 371 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: of course we know when it comes to cheating, there 372 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: are so many other things that contribute to cheating, and 373 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: then there's a whole underlying factor. Not that that it's 374 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: not people's faults. It is, but like we know, oftentimes 375 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: with trust issues, commitment issues, we don't know how far 376 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 2: or what's happening in a marriage or a relationship that 377 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: could be the catalyst, but this could be the final 378 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: nail on the coffin or the beginning. And to me 379 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: again personally, it's discussing unnecessary to cheat, especially if you're 380 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: in a committed relationship with open conversations of being committed. 381 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: Of course, again if you're a polyamorous and if you 382 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: have other open if you have open marriages and such 383 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: coco cool. But for those who are doing these and 384 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: lying and hurting people, of course it's gross. Uh yeah, 385 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: And for some just the level of closeness borders on cheating. 386 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 387 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of that conversation. I mean, you 388 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: would say that this is emotional cheating. Especially if all 389 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: you do is confide into that work spouse about the 390 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: problems that of your marriage or your relationship. That's a reflag. 391 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: If you're doing that, that is emotional cheating. If you're 392 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: investing in them to get all of your confidence and 393 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: all of your like, there's something wrong with that too. 394 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: And then there's this level of conversation that you have 395 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: again and the personal information that it's being shared. Again, 396 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: there's a few things that I understand, Like, for sure, 397 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: if I'm upset or something, we have this conversation, and 398 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: I guess it really is Like, especially if it's the 399 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: opposite sex, with you being heterosexual, that's the whole problem. 400 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: If you're not and you're having this conversation with someone 401 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: that you're a little too attracted to, also like a 402 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: big problem too, especially again if it's not agreed upon 403 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: to be open or to be polly or whatever whatnot. 404 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: That's the whole level of like h red flag. So 405 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 2: definitely some ideals, and then like a lot of conversations 406 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: and a lot of articles came to like, maybe we 407 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: should just retire that phrase all together. And I'm like, yeah, 408 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: maybe it's not a bad idea. 409 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it served. It serves a purpose. 410 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: It served a purpose of the person you like, work 411 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: really closely with. But maybe there's a better way to 412 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: say it. Also say, because I wasn't entirely sure what 413 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: the meaning actually meant. I was in a situation once 414 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: with the guy he's actually gay, but we were very 415 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: very close and we worked together, but everyone everyone was like, oh, 416 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: you're in love. They would always tell me like, oh 417 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: you're in love, or oh you were trying to get ahead, 418 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: or you were trying to So I also think there's 419 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: like that situation is the whole thing I could go into. 420 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: But I also think there is a layer of whenever 421 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: women are hanging around men that maybe have more power 422 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: than them, it's seen as oh, I know what you're 423 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: trying to do, right right? 424 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: Well, then yeah again, everybody has as you're talking about 425 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: the rumor mill in general, it doesn't matter if they 426 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: see that I was told repeatedly. Everybody's like, y'all are 427 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: sleeping together, you know, like what what are you talking about? 428 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: And being very shocked and yeah, I actually had a 429 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: similar incident where my coworker uh was gay. He didn't 430 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: come out at work. He only came out to a 431 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: few of us, and of course, so it wasn't our 432 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: business to out him. And so people would be like, 433 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: y'all are gonna y'all should shoul day, y'all should do 434 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: these things, and I just be like, I'm not his type, 435 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 2: like or he's not my type. 436 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 4: Like that's just that's just the end of the converce, right, 437 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: it wouldn't go well, but like but the level of 438 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 4: like gossip, which could be a problem in itself, and 439 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 4: that could start some trouble obviously with your relationships as well, 440 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 4: no matter what. 441 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole thing. But seeing I don't know 442 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: if we're coming at the end of this term and 443 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: it's like down fall. Although again, terms have nothing, no 444 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: real power honestly when it comes to when people do 445 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: bad things in general. We know this, but like there's 446 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: something to be like, yeah, maybe that's just that rhetoric 447 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: needs to go. 448 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listeners, let us know what you think, should 449 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: it say or should it go? You can email us 450 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: at Stuff Media, Moomstuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 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