1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: app every day. We're on Monday through Friday month one 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: to four o'clock, and then after four o'clock we become 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: a podcast John Cobelt Show on demand. You could listen 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: to what you missed, and you could listen to this 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: show tonight and all weekend long. In fact, any of 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: our shows you could listen to all weekend long. We 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: are going to talk now with Michael Miche. We've had 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: Michael Michee on twice already in recent weeks. He is 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: a professor at US He's Marshall School of Business, and 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 2: he had a fascinating report a few weeks ago that 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: after studying fifty years of California gas prices, he came 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: to this conclusion Virtually all the problem has been with 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: the California government. That's why you pay five bucks a 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: gallon for gas. It's taxes, fees, regulations. Just the hostility 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: has created a climate where gas ends up costing you 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: five bucks agall It's simple. And he found no widespread 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: price manipulation of price gouging. That's another big lie that 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom tells now he's created more more, more discomfort 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: for Gavin Newsom. I think that's the word. Because two 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: refineries are closing over the next year and a half 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: or so, of the Phillips sixty six refinery here in 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, and Valero has a refinery closing in northern California. 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: So Michael mcchey says that that's going to reduce the 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: amount of refining by twenty one percent, which means the 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: price of gas could go up all the way to 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: eight dollars and forty three cents. You also have to 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: include that sixty five cent a gallon increase because of 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: the California Air Resources Board new low carbon regulation. So 31 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: this all comes together along with other taxes that we're 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: getting increased over time. Eight dollars and forty three cents. Now, 33 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: this actually broke through and got some television coverage, and 34 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: this has caused Gavin Newsom's office to start smearing Michael 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: MChE and claiming that he's bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and 36 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: he's only guessing anyway, Well, let's get to Michael machee 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: and see about all this. Michael, how are you? 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 3: I'm terrific, John, Thanks for having me back. 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, now, I'm certain that your research is correct if 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: you drew this kind of outsized response from the governor. 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm stunned, absolutely stunned at the response. Didn't expect it, 42 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: thought perhaps it might be somewhat controversial. But I actually 43 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: thought i'd get a you know, a professional response like, hey, Michael, 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: any chances had come to Sacramento and walk us through 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: your thoughts. But the response that we're getting is completely shocking, 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: and I must say somewhat juvenile. 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's really childish because Newsome I just 48 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: understand his character. I mean, you know, covered him for 49 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: so many years. He does not take criticism. Well, he 50 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: doesn't know how to handle it because he has developed 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: his political career in a state where there's no competition, 52 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: there's no other political party, and the news media is 53 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: always a bunch of lap dogs. So when he hear's 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: criticism that actually is true, he shorts out. And that's 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 2: why you got the big smear. Where did he get 56 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: the idea that you're being paid by Saudi Arabia for this? 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: I have no clue, absolutely none. Back in twenty twenty three, 58 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: It's been disclosed since twenty eighteen. I did a piece 59 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: of work for Saudi Arabia from late twenty eighteen to 60 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: early twenty twenty one, was interrupted by COVID, and network 61 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with petroleum. In fact, here's the irony, 62 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: had everything to do with diversifying the Saudi economy away 63 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: from petroleum. It's called Vision twenty thirty and in my 64 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: particular role, along with three other very prominent, high profile 65 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: American consulting firms, was to help build a roadmap or 66 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: a blueprint for Saudi to invest in non petroleum sectors 67 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: in their economy. And so it's kind of a perverse argument, 68 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: but I'd like to, you know, even bring it a 69 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: little further right. So you know, if you look in 70 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two twenty twenty three, Saudi Arabia was one 71 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: of the primary sources of oil being imported by California. 72 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 3: I mean it was one or two, along with Iraq 73 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: and Brazil, Ecuador and Guyana. It's dropped in in twenty 74 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: twenty four, but certainly twenty twenty two twenty three it 75 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: was up there. So we import a lot of oil 76 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: from Saudi Arabia. In my recommendations where we should increase 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: in state production of oil reduce foreign dependency. So the 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: perversion to me is, well, you know, why would somebody 79 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: who's being paid by Saudi Arabia recommend that the state 80 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: increase production of oil and reduce oil imports from you know, 81 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: petro states like Saudi Arabia in Iraq. 82 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: I read your analysis, I read your analysis and recommendations, 83 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: and that's exactly right. Is that you were warning people 84 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: that if we lose our ability to refine our own 85 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: oil into gas, we are going to rely too heavily 86 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: on Saudi Arabia. 87 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, you have other oil producing nations too. Yeah, 88 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: and so the question is, you know when we lose 89 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 3: these refineries, and apparently we are losing them. They've taken 90 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: billions and billions of dollars of write offs this year 91 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: on their financial statements and anticipation of closing operations. The 92 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: question then becomes where will California find the gasoline to 93 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: make up for the production and in state production. It's 94 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: a simple question, where are you going to find it? 95 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: And then you know how much is it going to 96 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: cost to get it from those refineries because they're not 97 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: going to sell it to as cheap? And then you 98 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: have to transport it here. Well, we have no inbound pipelines, 99 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: so that means you're going to transport these millions and 100 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: millions of gallons of gasoline a day on maritime vessels, 101 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: either from the Gulf coast through the Panama Canal and 102 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: up the coast, or most likely from Asia that would 103 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: be South Korea, China, Malaysia as far as India. So 104 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: you're putting these massive tankers on the ocean that are 105 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: spewing out a lot of greenhouse emissions. So the concept 106 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: then becomes of what we call well to wheel. So 107 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: what is the total greenhouse effect by importing all this oil? 108 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: Are we actually increasing greenhouse emissions by doing this or 109 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: reducing greenhouse emissions? That's one. But we know we're going 110 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: to increase the price. 111 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: So no, this is a political sphere job. 112 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: That's what they do. Yeah. 113 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: You know, look, I like I said, I thought I 114 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: thought that the reaction would be more professional. Now, uh 115 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: and and and and certainly if I had been invited 116 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: by the governor to come up and meet with him, 117 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: I would have gotten on the first plane at my 118 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: own expense and said, look, you know, here, you know, 119 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: here's here's what the models are telling us. The models 120 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: we all know are imperfect, but we do know this 121 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: that there are controllable components to the price of gasoline 122 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: in California. And those controllable components are the state excise tax, 123 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: the cap and trade fees, the regular the special blend fee, 124 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: the you know, Lola carbon fuel standard, uh, the seasonal 125 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: changeovers that are associated with that underground storage fee, and 126 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: this new inventory fee it's requiring to get the refiners 127 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: to keep millions and millions of gasoline finished gasoline an 128 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: inventory just in case. The proof that all regulatory costs. 129 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the proof that you're right is every day I 130 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: look at the Triple A site. It has state by 131 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: state gas prices. The national price is three fourteen. The 132 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: California price is for eighty four. So we're dollars seventy 133 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: above the national average, and we're over two dollars above 134 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: states like Mississippi, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, South Carolina. 135 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: We're over two dollars higher than all those states that 136 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: I just mentioned. So whatever whatever we're doing here, we 137 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: stand by ourselves. Nobody else is even close. So at 138 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: your research is one hundred percent right. It's entirely state 139 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,359 Speaker 2: policies and taxes and fees and regulations. 140 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I mean, as I said, over the 141 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: fifty year time period, we found no economic evidence of 142 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: price algae or price manipulation or supply manipulation. Yes, do 143 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: refinery shut down yes. Do they have unplanned shutdowns yes. 144 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: Do they have accidents, yes, But those are all the 145 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: facts of running something as complex and as sophisticated as 146 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: a refinery. And I might add to California refineries are 147 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 3: some of the most sophisticated in the world. We measure 148 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: refinery complexity on this thing called the Nelson Index. The 149 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: average for the United States is about nine point five. 150 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: The average for the EU is about six point five. 151 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: The average for California is around fourteen. So we have 152 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: some of the most sophisticated refineries in the world. We're 153 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: really good at doing this. And so when you start 154 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: adding more burden on the refiners, such as the low 155 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: carbon fuel standard, the inventory for surplus gasoline, and oh, 156 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: by the way, let's not forget that the state is 157 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: banning internal combustion engines. 158 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: The year twenty five. That's a good idea. 159 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: You're taking the incentive and that you know, the state 160 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: puts a cap on the on the profits of the refiner. 161 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: You know, you're taking the incentive for the refiner to 162 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: remain in business in the state. So you know it's 163 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: quite logical to see both of his refineries exit. 164 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: Michael, thank you for coming on again. You know you're 165 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: doing You're doing honest research and producing facts. And the 166 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: Newsom Press office are a bunch of lying hacks. That's 167 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: just the way the political world is. They lie and 168 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: they smear people when you tell the truth. 169 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: I got to run. I gotta do the news Thank 170 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you for coming on. 171 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: Thanks John. 172 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, Bertie Sanders, the greatest 173 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: climate hypocrite of the moment. 174 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 175 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 4: M six forty. 176 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna have Katie Grinds on from California Globe dot Com. 177 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: We're gonna keep in the the energy theme going. She 178 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: had a story on how Newsom has blown thirty three 179 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: billion dollars on climate projects, claiming it's made communities cleaner 180 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: and healthier. We're talking about real air pollution here, by 181 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: the way, not the greenhouse gases. That's not air pollution. 182 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: Greenhouse gases are, for example, carbon dioxide, which you and 183 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: I exhale, your pets exhale, and the trees and plants 184 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: and grass they inhale the carbon dioxide. It's part of 185 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: the cycle of life. So greenhouse gases are not air pollution. 186 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: What's air pollution is the obvious stuff that comes out 187 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: of exhausts, exhaust pipes, smoke stacks and all that. Well, 188 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: so he spends thirty three billion dollars to clean up 189 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: the air pollution, or so he claims, but his agencies 190 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: don't count the literally thousands of fires that have burned 191 00:11:53,960 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: in California, which more than compensate for whatever savings in 192 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: air pollution that we make. And of course a lot 193 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: of these fires are caused in part by bad forestry policies. 194 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: There's too much deadwood that's left in the forests and 195 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: it burns. We'll talk about all this with Katie Grimes 196 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: coming up after Dever's two thirty News. 197 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: All right, so you know, I I always. 198 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: Laughed my ass off, you know, at the idiot celebrities 199 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: like Leonardo DiCaprio, who's constantly prattling about climate change. He's 200 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: done documentaries on it, and then you read a story 201 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: about him flying off to New York City to go 202 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: dancing with twenty models. 203 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: So he's a phony. 204 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: John Kerrey has been like a climate envoy for various administrations, 205 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: and he's always in a private plane because he married 206 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: into a very wealthy family. The Heinz ketchup fortune, Well, 207 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: we got another one here and a little bit unlikely, 208 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: but I think he's as big a grifter as anybody 209 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: in politics. Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders, you know, the hero 210 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: of the would be hero for the blue collar, hard 211 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: working crowd, the working class, the people getting screwed by 212 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: the billionaires. Zwi says it bionaiers. And he's always prattling 213 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: about bionaires. And we find out you've probably heard his 214 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: oligarchy tour. He and that dim bulb Alexandra Ocossio Cortez, 215 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: they're going around the country and there's like tens of 216 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: thousands of wanna be hippies showing up to cheer on 217 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: Bernie and aoc. Well, he went on Fox News and 218 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 2: the anchor Brett Bear asked him about all the private 219 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: plane travel that he's taking to these appearances. 220 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 5: You've gotten criticized from other people. Free Beacon says Bernie 221 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 5: Sanders spent two hundred and twenty one thousand on private 222 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: jets fighting the Oligarchy tour paid for by friends of 223 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders. That you've spent millions of dollars in campaign 224 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 5: funds on private jet travel over the years. How do 225 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 5: you push back on both of those things. 226 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 6: The last time you saw Donald Trump during a campaign 227 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 6: mode at National Airport, No. 228 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: No, no, it doesn't. 229 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 5: But he's also not fighting the aligarchy. 230 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 6: And you run a campaign and you do three or 231 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 6: four or five rallies in a week, the only way 232 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 6: you can get around to talk to thirty thousand people. 233 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 6: I think I'm going to be sitting on a waiting 234 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 6: line at United waiting. You know what, thirty thousand people 235 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: are waiting. That's the only way you can get around. 236 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 6: No apologies for that. That's what a campaign travel is about. 237 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 6: We've done it in the past, We're going to do 238 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 6: it in the future. 239 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 5: And you think that this is hitting a mark, You 240 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 5: think it's scratching the itch that voters want to hear from. 241 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 6: I think at a time when the people on top 242 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 6: of doing phenomenally well, when seniors, working class people are struggling. 243 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 6: People want to hear action to stand up to the 244 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 6: people who have the wealth and the power and create 245 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 6: an economy that works for all of them, not just 246 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 6: the people on top of. 247 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: The man is worth two million dollars and somehow owns 248 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: three homes and he's flying private planes, claiming he's fighting 249 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: the oligarchy, the bonaires. 250 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: No apologies for that. 251 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: It's another scam. He's another grifter. He's like everybody else. 252 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: And and I love that line. You think I'm going 253 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: to be sitting in the waiting line at United God 254 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: forbid that you're sitting and waiting in line at United Please. 255 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: Nobody should have to suffer that, not someone as powerful 256 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: and important as you. Yeah, there's your man of the people. 257 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: You know, I know so many people who fell for 258 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: his nonsense. Is bs. He's just another one. He's always 259 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: telling everybody how greedy you all the businessman are. He's 260 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: just as greedy. 261 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: No apologies for that, fine apology. 262 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: Nobody should ever apology for making money, being successful, and 263 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: enjoying a good life because of what you worked for. 264 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: I do know exactly what he did to be worth 265 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: two million dollars, or what he did to own three homes, 266 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: because you know, a senator doesn't make that much. But hey, 267 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: there's a lot of scams and rackets out there. What 268 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: a pile of baloney. 269 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: He is no apologies for that. 270 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: When we come back, Katie Grimes go to Newsom. He's 271 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: got the climate grift going, thirty three billion dollars he's 272 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: spent to make communities cleaner and healthier, but his agencies 273 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: never include the thousands of thousands of fires, the millions 274 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: of acres burned, which totally counteract whatever air pollution cleaning 275 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: his agencies are doing. 276 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it we come back. 277 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Kobel's on demand from KFI AM 278 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: six forty. 279 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: While we've been discussing today, among other things, the gas 280 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 2: prices headed towards maybe eight p fifty a gallon. A 281 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: lot of the reason that gas prices are so high 282 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: are all the taxes and fees that the Newsom administration 283 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: has shoved on refinery companies in the name of climate change. 284 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Newsom has spent thirty three billion dollars to allegedly make 285 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: the air cleaner and healthier, but they don't account for 286 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: all the fires over the last ten years, which has 287 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: pretty much counteracted all the alleged good work he thinks 288 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: he's done. Let's go to Katie Grimes with California Globe. 289 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: She's got a piece on that Californiaglobe dot com. 290 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: Katie, how are you hey, John doing well? 291 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 7: Thank you well? 292 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: Explain? 293 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: Explain the story that you wrote about well. The headline 294 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: says Newsom's climate Grift spent thirty three billion dollars to 295 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: make communities cleaner and healthier. 296 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: Explain that this pot of money and what did he 297 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: go to? 298 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 7: This is so frustrating. I feel like I'm writing the 299 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 7: same article every day. So Gavin Newsom's bragging about the 300 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 7: fact that the funds that the state extorted essentially from 301 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 7: California businesses under the Cap and Trade Plan is they're 302 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 7: spending it on all these amazing programs that are making 303 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 7: your life and mind cleaner, safer, healthier, etc. Except that's 304 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 7: not what's happening at all. As I note in from 305 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 7: one of his own graphs, one point five billion of 306 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 7: that was spent in wildfire prevention. And yet every report 307 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 7: from any credible even his own agencies, acknowledge that it's 308 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 7: the wildfires, the bad air that's coming out of those 309 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 7: that's creating our worst air. And yet the report he 310 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 7: cites in his latest announcement is from the California Air 311 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 7: Resources Board, as I point out, which is made up 312 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 7: of appointees that he made, and they don't ever address wildfire. 313 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 7: I've got the little, you know, pie chart that the 314 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 7: California Air Resources Board did showing what causes what the 315 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 7: contributors are to air pollution in California, and there's not 316 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 7: a single category for the wildfires. But boy, they've got 317 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 7: oil and gas in there, and transportation and heavy duty 318 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 7: vehicles and livestock. No wildfires. 319 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's propaganda against it is those industries. But how 320 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: and by the way, I also want to separate air 321 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: pollution from greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gases are not air pollution. 322 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, and that's what we exhale. 323 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: Every living being on the planet, animal, human exhales carbon dioxide, 324 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: and all the trees and the plants and the grass 325 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 2: they inhale the carbon dioxide. That's how the grow. So 326 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: that's not pollution, that's part of the cycle of life. 327 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: The air pollution is all the obvious stuff that makes 328 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: the air sooty. And hazy that comes out of you know, 329 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 2: your your car's exhaust system or a smokestack or whatever, 330 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: and whatever savings on one end has been dwarfed by 331 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: all the pollution from the wildfires. 332 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: And we've had a lot of them in the last 333 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: ten years. 334 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have. 335 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 7: As I did a little bit of digging and found 336 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 7: out that since the year two thousand, which is his benchmark, 337 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 7: that we've gotten all this cleaner because of all the 338 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 7: things they're doing, California has had one hundred and ninety 339 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 7: four thousand plus almost one hundred ninety five thousand wildfires, 340 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 7: you know, some large, some small, and one hundred wait. 341 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: Wait wait, one hundred and ninety five thousand and twenty 342 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: five years. 343 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 7: Yeah, because every year there's many, many many, it's just 344 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 7: summer small, but they count them. Of course, I put 345 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 7: it out within a day or two, so you know this. 346 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 7: I put a chart in here from cal Fire that 347 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 7: shows the most destructive fires that have taken place since 348 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 7: the year two thousand, and all of them but one 349 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 7: were from year two thousand on, and some of them 350 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 7: have been absolutely devastating. You know, of course, the campfire, 351 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 7: which in which eighty five people lost their lives, the 352 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 7: Tubs fire, the Tunnel fire. I mean, we go, you know, 353 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 7: we know all these fire names, and yet again there's 354 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 7: absolutely nothing in the California Air Resources Boards reports attributing 355 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 7: any of the air pollution to the wildfires. 356 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's. 357 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: That's that criminal negligence. 358 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: How do you take a report seriously, there's zero credibility 359 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: if you don't look at the wildfires. 360 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 7: I agree, you know, and I so I quote you 361 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 7: know some information from the Western Fire Chiefs Association. Of 362 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 7: course we know what they think about wildfire smoke. But 363 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 7: NPR even reported that in forty one states air quality 364 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 7: had been getting better between two thousand and the twenty tens, 365 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 7: but as wildfires exploded, all those improvements stopped or reversed. 366 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 7: And you know, in particular California, wildfire smoke is causing 367 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 7: most of California their pollution. 368 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at this list. 369 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: I mean the campfire, which is that one that destroyed 370 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 2: Paradise one hundred and fifty three thousand acres? Can you 371 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: imagine the soot in the air. You burn one hundred 372 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: and fifty three thousand acres of vegetation, and that's not 373 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: even the biggest one though, the LNU Complex Lightning Complex 374 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: fire from twenty twenty three hundred and eighty yeah, three 375 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty three thousand acres up in northern California. 376 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, just unbelievable. 377 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: Just on. 378 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 7: I know, the Dixie Fire nine hundred and sixty three 379 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 7: thousand acres in twenty twenty one, and that was in 380 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 7: Butte Counties, Loomis, Lashm, Shafta, and Tahemack. So imagine you know, 381 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 7: the air quality after that. 382 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 2: It looks like the champion is the August Complex fire. Yes, 383 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: in northern California, over a million acres a million, thirty 384 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: two thousand acres. 385 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 386 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 7: And again those are primarily because of negligence. The you know, 387 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 7: the forests and the raw land are just tinder waiting 388 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 7: to be burned. And as our illustrious Congressman Tom McClintock said, 389 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 7: the wood gets carried out of the forest one of 390 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 7: two ways. We either do it ourselves and clean the 391 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 7: forest up and carry it out, or the fires do. 392 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: It for us. 393 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 394 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: They had a like a religious belief in not fitting 395 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: out forests, which even the Native Americans did and believed 396 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: in for hundreds of years. We've been the worst society 397 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: at managing the forest here in California, and we paid 398 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: for it. It's totally undone all the air pollution savings 399 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: that he. 400 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 7: Claims, Yeah, exactly, so it's I mean, look, Governor Nwson 401 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 7: is probably one of the most shallow human beings to 402 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 7: ever grace the office in California, and so I expect 403 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 7: these kinds of BS reports from him. But it's incredibly 404 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 7: frustrating also when we can't even get our state agencies 405 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 7: to report accurately, like their Resources board. 406 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: All right, Katie, good talking with you again, John, Thank 407 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: you very much. All Right, thank you for coming on. 408 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: Katie Grimes, and she's with Californiaglobe dot com and you 409 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: go read our article Newsome's climate grift spend thirty three 410 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: billion dollars to make communities cleaner and healthier, except they 411 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: don't account for the one hundred and ninety five thousand fires. 412 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: I can't believe that we've got more coming up. 413 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobel on demand from KFI AM 414 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: six forty. 415 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: Two rounds of the mo coming up next hour, two 416 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: rounds at three twenty three fifty. 417 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: Roughly, we can't keep to a schedule here. 418 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 8: I'd like to point something out. What my last newscast? 419 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 8: Maybe it was the last one, Yes, my two thirty. 420 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 8: I couldn't get through it because I started coughing. I 421 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 8: was dying. Actually, I think I did two or three stories, 422 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 8: and I even said I'm just gonna go to traving 423 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 8: like that. Nobody noticed, Nobody came in here, nobody said, hey, 424 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 8: are you okay? Well, anybody listening? 425 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: Anybody? 426 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: It was not a life threatening situation like that poor 427 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: Fox girl. It could have been she cashed out and 428 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: fell off the chair. 429 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 8: I get it. But I couldn't even finish my newscast. 430 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 8: I don't know when that's all right. 431 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I wasn't listening. 432 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 8: You were, definitely I was watching it. 433 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: And I have to continue plotting. 434 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, but I could barely speak. I mean 435 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 8: one time, one or two times. I don't do the temperature. 436 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 8: But I literally couldn't finish. 437 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: My everything blocked up. Yes, all right, well all right, 438 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: I'll try to be more attentive. 439 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 8: So thank you for your concern. 440 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: But I do care. I do care. If I had 441 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: seen you, like on the screen, just fall over, I 442 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: would have been there. 443 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 8: Well, I wasn't falling over but pretty close to it. 444 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 8: I just want to point that out. 445 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll try to do better. Would I say, 446 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: all day at home, try to do better? 447 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 4: Laugh? 448 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: Yesterday I made a story about an alligator attack, right, yes, 449 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: Remember it was a couple who was canoeing and the 450 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: canoed over the top of an alligator. 451 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 8: The alligator was pissed. 452 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: It was pissed, flipped the canoe up in the air 453 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: and ate the woman. Yeah. Follow up to that. 454 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 2: They're a study from the University of Florida followed alligator 455 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: incidents going back to the year seventeen thirty four, almost 456 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: three hundred years of alligator incidents in Florida, and they 457 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: did a lot of research. They used experts from Center 458 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: College in Kentucky. They published the results in the Journal 459 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: of Human and Wildlife Interactions. They went they used there's 460 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: something called croc Bite Database, internet searches, literature review, interviews 461 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: with wildlife agencies. They looked at every single case for 462 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: the last three hundred years. And you know what they found. 463 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: The problem is what don't go into alligator infested waters? 464 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: Seriously, are you serious? That was the recommendation. 465 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 8: That's stupid. 466 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: They found out that. 467 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: There was one reason that caused ninety six percent of 468 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: alligator bytes. It's when you go into their that just 469 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: seems so into their their waterways. Okay, human inattention and 470 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: risk taking, they called it. Most bites occurred when you 471 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: swim or wade in areas known to be inhabited by alligators. 472 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: Then there's the high risk behaviors deliberately entering alligator inhabited waters, 473 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: Like sometimes you drift into it and you don't know 474 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: they're alligators there, and then sometimes it's like, oh, I 475 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: don't care if they're alligators there, I'm going to go 476 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 2: in anyway. Low no risk behaviors if you're walking near 477 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: water or you're simply present on land rarely resulted in attacks. 478 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: So it has to be that you are making a 479 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: ruckus in the water. You know, you're swimming, you're paddling 480 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: your canoeing. 481 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 8: Okay, So you basically can't go in any water in Florida. 482 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, okay, I mean you can't. 483 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 2: I've gone to the beaches the water there that's on 484 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, it's the inland waterways. There's 485 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: a lot of swampy water ponds, lakes are. 486 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 8: There signs all over the place. So okay, then how 487 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 8: do people know that? 488 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: You just know if it's internal water, it's not on 489 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: the coast. 490 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 8: The tourists don't necessarily know that. 491 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: Around then they get eaten. You gotta take responsibility, you 492 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 2: know you have to. Now, I got another story here. 493 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna play this. I always fear this. I know 494 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: you do too. In Irvine, there's a woman named Rachel Rennie. 495 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: A coyote attacked her five year old dog while the 496 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: dog was on the leash. And this is from ABC 497 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: seven Letitia Warez. 498 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 9: Rachel Rennie spends her days caring for other people's dogs, 499 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 9: but nothing prepared her for the moment a coyote nearly 500 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 9: took her own. It was Saturday evening outside her Irvine 501 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 9: home when Rennie took her dog's Mishka and Rocky out 502 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 9: before bedtime. 503 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 10: I looked across the street and I saw this coyote 504 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 10: right across the street. 505 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 9: I saw it before it had. 506 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 10: Come up to us, and it was looking at us. 507 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 9: But despite her shouts and frantic waving, the coyote zeroed 508 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 9: in on Rocky, her five year old Schnauzer Poodl mix. 509 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 10: Grabbed him by the neck, pulled him out of his harness, 510 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 10: ran around the corner. I thought I had lost him. 511 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 9: Thankfully, neighbors heard the commotion and came out to help. 512 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 10: They managed to chase the coyote off get him to 513 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 10: drop Rocky. They got Rocky. They brought him to me. 514 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 10: He was bleeding, but he was breathing and alive. 515 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 9: Rocky was rushed to the vet, fighting for his life. 516 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 9: The attack left Rennie's shaken and facing mounting bills. 517 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 10: I have an emotional connection to him, and he's also, 518 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 10: you know, the last thing I have to my dad. 519 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 10: So it was worth it, especially with the chance, because 520 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 10: he had a chance at full recovery. 521 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 9: Rennie has set up a go Fundme page to help 522 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 9: cover Rocky's care. Meanwhile, the California Department of Fish and 523 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 9: Wildlife says, when attacks like this happen, pet owners need 524 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 9: to report the incident. 525 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 10: Report it so we can see, Hey, maybe there's a 526 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 10: trend in this neighborhood. 527 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: There's a high number of incidents that occur, and we 528 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: would go out there and investigate. 529 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 9: Rock is now on the road to recovery. Rennie says, 530 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 9: the next time she takes her dogs out, she'll have 531 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 9: them on more than just. 532 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 10: A leash just because you're there. They're not safe. They 533 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 10: need other precautions. What are you going to bang a 534 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 10: coyote vest for my dog? 535 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 9: Wildlife experts also recommend avoiding walking your pets during the 536 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 9: early morning hours or at dusk, when coyotes are most active. 537 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 8: Coyotes are active all day long. Let me tell you, 538 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 8: at least in my neighborhood. 539 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: Souse, they're hungry all day long. Yeah, they're in my 540 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: neighborhood too. We'll be in the hills. I'm right near 541 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: the hills. You're actually right on your mountaintop of state 542 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: and there are I passed by one within a quarter 543 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: mile my house the other day and they're really scraggly. 544 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: They look like gang members. They ought to have tattoos 545 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: and shaved heads. I mean, they really look menacing and 546 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: they do. They eat dogs and cats. The first time 547 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: we lived out here, actually the first night we were 548 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: in LA, they put us up in Burbank. 549 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: I forgot the name of that. 550 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: It was that temporary stay hotel that corporate people are 551 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: at Oakwood Apartments of Burbank, Okay. So that's where they 552 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: put us up when we first came to Los Angeles 553 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: and in the middle of the night, I woke up 554 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: briefly and I heard all this howling and it was 555 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: the coyotes, which at the time I thought was cool. 556 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: But then we. 557 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: Moved into the hills off betty To Canyon and I 558 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: heard another series of sounds. 559 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: I heard the coyotes. 560 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 561 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: Please, don't you know what I'm talking? 562 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 8: I know because I hear it. 563 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, for it. 564 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: And you'll hear barking dogs and then suddenly the barking 565 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: stops because the coyote has its consuming the dog. 566 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's there. It's said. Well, come from New Jersey. 567 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: We don't have this kind of excitement. 568 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 8: I wouldn't call it excitement. It's scary. 569 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: No, it's scary. 570 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: There there they are. They are really psychotic. I mean 571 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: they have no conscience at all, no remorse. Well they 572 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: see you, they eat you. 573 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: They'd eat you. 574 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, I know. I worry about coyotes all the time. 575 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 8: I do. And maybe other people have suggested that I 576 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 8: get my dog's a coyote vest. I still haven't. 577 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: How does that work. 578 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 8: It's a vest that has spikes all over it, so 579 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 8: if a coyote tries to get the dog. I mean 580 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 8: it's going to get hurt. 581 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: Then you're going to get the coyote really mad. Then 582 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna eat, then he's. 583 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 8: Going to come after me. 584 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's true. 585 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 8: Maybe that's not a good You gotta walks, have to 586 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 8: wear a coyote vest, coyote proof vest. 587 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: All right, we come back from from one fear to 588 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: the next. Newark Airport, the radar screens went dark again 589 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: and in San Francisco and they had two incidents. Yes, 590 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: our our federal airline system is collapsing sucks. Yeah, it's 591 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: it's it's I don't think this is media hype. I 592 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: think we went way too long, Like we went thirty 593 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: five years without an upgrade. 594 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: Well talk about we come back. 595 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: Two ends of the Moistline Deverver Mark live in the 596 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: KFI twenty four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to 597 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: the John Cobalt Show podcast. 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