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Speaker 1: rerun of Behind the Bastards. And you know, we love

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Speaker 1: talking about guys like Hitler, specifically Hitler over here, you know,

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Speaker 1: like like the History Channel of old He's always an

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Speaker 1: that he was. So without further ado, here's how Hitler fucked.

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Speaker 1: A serious title that they would not let me actually

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Speaker 1: use for these episodes. Introduction, I'm Robert Evans. This is

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, the podcast we tell you everything you

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Speaker 1: don't know about the very worst people in all of history.

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Speaker 1: With me today is Brandy Posey. Hell. Hello, are you

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty great. I'm excited to get into this.

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Speaker 1: Brandy. You are a stand up comedian. Get any pluggables

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tore around quite a bit. You can go

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Speaker 2: to Brandyposey dot com Brandy with an Ie Posey with

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Speaker 2: an Ey for all of my tour dates. I also

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Speaker 2: have a podcast called Lady to Lady that is very,

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Speaker 2: very fun. We've had a lot of really awesome past guests,

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Speaker 2: like Margaret trow On French Stewart, So come check that

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Speaker 1: Normally we work all that out ahead of time and

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Speaker 1: I introduce it. But Sophie isn't here, and as you

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Speaker 1: can tell, like everything, everything's a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, you you have like a terror in your eyes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's horrifying. The thought of not knowing what

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Speaker 2: Do you want me to count something down for you?

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Speaker 2: On a Sophie wig of some kind. That what will

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Speaker 1: The only possible thing to do in the face of

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's the plan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, explains why you're standing on the table.

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Speaker 1: Great, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Now, Brandy, Yes, today we

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Speaker 2: Glad you called me for this? Yeah, I'm flattered.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about Stalin and his his love

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Speaker 2: Fucking Hitler feels like a prank?

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Speaker 2: Not a generous lover, okay, And also gonna say this,

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Speaker 1: The funny thing about Hitler because Hitler, Hitler's like the

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Speaker 2: Every pretty well, I do like that in front of

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Speaker 1: It's possible his bone got a lot busier than people

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Speaker 1: That a lot of people did like you again, where's

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Speaker 1: So there's no hard evidence of that, but it has

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm pretty into that for sure.

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Speaker 1: It's great. It's great.

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Speaker 2: Nothing cuts to the core quite like a parody song.

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Speaker 1: No it doesn't. Let's uh, I've deeper into this.

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Speaker 1: So, as you might guess by the fact that I

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Speaker 1: about Hitler's genitalia and the rumors about it. I am

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Speaker 1: what you might call a Hitler nerd. I've read enough

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Speaker 1: biographies of the man that I've started reading books about Hitler,

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Speaker 1: biographies that are essentially comparing all of the different biographies

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Speaker 1: It's a problem. Yeah, yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 2: Do you have like a shell, is it like a

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Speaker 1: You know, I own a couple of physical copies, but

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Speaker 2: It's better to have that all digital. Well, although I

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's things that would be that would be nicer,

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Speaker 2: So I think you can also probably just say serial killer,

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Speaker 1: And the book that apparently makes these claims is titled

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Speaker 1: It's by a best selling German author and psychiatry christ

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Speaker 2: And is that like a new like it's a very

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Speaker 2: dark cat in the hat Hitler one and Hitler two. Ye,

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Speaker 1: Just Hitler won and Hitler two. Yeah, they can do

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Speaker 2: Sun and rad It's a white supremacist parody right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, some some Nazi listening in is

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Speaker 2: Not the Doctor SEUs version.

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Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to read that book because it's only

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Speaker 1: in German and I do not read German, which is

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Speaker 1: almost the title of a great podcast. There's a podcast

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Speaker 1: called I Don't Speak German about the alt right that

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Speaker 1: people should listen to if they want. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like my show, but way more focused on that one

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Speaker 1: narrow group of people. Great podcasts anyway, I don't read German. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't read German. Podcast is called I don't Speak German.

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Speaker 1: This would be the episode to listen to. And spoiler alert,

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Speaker 2: I that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: It's a good weapon if you're gonna like beat on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean they take a lot of training,

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Speaker 1: Hitler loved Whitz. You're going to be hearing a lot

438
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,239
Speaker 1: about Hitler's whip today. Yeah. So, anyway, because of all

439
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 1: of this misinformation, because of all of these like conclusions

440
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,560
Speaker 1: that people still tried out based on like fucking nineteen

441
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 1: forty psychoanalytic theory, I have gone through two different Hitler biographies,

442
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,160
Speaker 1: the ones I considered probably the two best, John Totlan's

443
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 1: and Ian Kershaw's, as well as a great book called

444
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 1: Explaining Hitler. That's like a synthesis of a bunch of

445
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: different biographies, and I've tried to present what I think

446
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 1: is the most complete picture of the verifiable facts of

447
00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: Hitler's sex life. So, anyway, if we're going to understand

448
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: how Hitler fucked and how people talk about how Hitler fucked,

449
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: we have to start with Hitler's sexual prehistory. What we

450
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: know about how his dad fucked. Oh, or to be

451
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,679
Speaker 1: more precise, who his dad fucked?

452
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Speaker 2: Ooh, well, his mom at.

453
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: Least definitely his mom, that's a given.

454
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Speaker 2: At least at least twice, right, because he had a sister,

455
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 2: you younger sister.

456
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 1: Or something, right, Yeah, I think she was a half sister.

457
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember that off the top of

458
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: my head. His genealogy is very complicated.

459
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was a younger girl. There was a

460
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Speaker 2: girl in a room in his house.

461
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: Girl. Yeah, Paula Hitler. He had a sister, and he

462
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: actually like one of the nice things Hitler did in

463
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: his life is that, as a younger man, he gave

464
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: her his inheritance and like wound up kind of on

465
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Speaker 1: the street as a result of that because she had

466
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Speaker 1: a kid and stuff.

467
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Speaker 2: Got it okay.

468
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 1: So one thing we leave out a lot when we

469
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Speaker 1: talk about Hitler's rise to power is the army of

470
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: crusading journalists who fought a desperate battle to stop him

471
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Speaker 1: from taking control. They failed, obviously, and a lot of

472
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 1: them died. But for a while, their investigation scared Hitler

473
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: more than anything. He was frightened that his family history

474
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: would be exposed. When he learned about one of the

475
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 1: first of these investigations, he allegedly told a party member,

476
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 1: people must not know who I am. They must not

477
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: know where I come from. WHOA Now. There are a

478
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: lot of different rumors as to why. The most salacious

479
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: rumors that Hitler secretly had a Jewish background. We don't

480
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 1: know for certain who his father's father was. His grandmother,

481
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: Maria Schickelgruber, was a forty two year old, unmarried serving

482
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: woman when she gave birth to his father, A Lois

483
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty six. Some legends say a wealthy Jewish

484
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: man or a nobleman impregnated her. We don't know. The

485
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: Church she was baptized in and the entire town where

486
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: she was born, Dollarsheim, was obliterated by German artillery, probably

487
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Speaker 1: on Hitler's orders in order to conceal his background, which

488
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: is serious warlord. Move right there, Yeah, I'll give it

489
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Speaker 1: to you.

490
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: Erase the skel rovers, yeah yeah, get rid of that shit, Grandma.

491
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: One of those things. One of those few places you'll catch,

492
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Speaker 1: like a lot of really serious historians speculating, is like,

493
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: would it have even been possible for a guy with

494
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: the last name Schickel Gruber to have done the things

495
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: that Hitler did, because it was kind of like chance

496
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: that he wound up with the last name Hitler, like

497
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: his dad adopted it from another guy who probably wasn't

498
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: his dad. It's a messy case. Heidler was the original name,

499
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: and then they changed it to Hitler. I say, okay,

500
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Speaker 1: and I have trouble imagining Hyle Schickel Grueber.

501
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: No, because people will keep stumbling over it.

502
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chicl Gruber. It'd be like if Google had if

503
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: their name had been like question, ask, yeah, exactly, it

504
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: just probably wouldn't have worked as well.

505
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: No, No, no, it definitely would not.

506
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So historians debate over the exact nature of the

507
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: genealogy further back than Hitler's dad, but the dad was

508
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: a bastard that at least maybe we don't even know

509
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: that much. All of this is still debated. The odds

510
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: that Hitler was ashamed of a secret Jewish person in

511
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: his past, though, are lower than the odds that he

512
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: was just worried people would find out his dad was gross.

513
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: Alois Hitler was a mid level customs official in brown Ow, Austria.

514
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: He'd been respected in the local community, but his middle

515
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: management image belied the reality of a man who repeatedly

516
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: married children. Alois's cool swere it is?

517
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: So it's wondering when pedophiles are going to be a

518
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: part of the story.

519
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: They will be a part of this story all the

520
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: way through. Well, great, nazi'sn't gross sexuals wo wow. Yeah,

521
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: everybody focuses on the possibility that there was pooh sex.

522
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: The stuff that we know is so much grosser than pooping,

523
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: Like that's whatever. People who are perfectly fine can enjoy

524
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. What we're talking about with Hitler

525
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: and his dad, both cases fucked up objectively.

526
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can, you can have consensual pooh sex whatever,

527
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: it's whatever.

528
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: Just clean your own sheets, clean your own sheets, or

529
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: pay your cleaning lady incredibly. Well, yes, you know, I'm

530
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: sure there's some people who take that job. So Alois's

531
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: first wife was much much older than him, and she

532
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: died after a few years of marriage. Some of the

533
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: rumors or that he married her for her money, which whatever.

534
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: While Alois was married, but while his first wife was sick,

535
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: he moved a sixteen year old girl into their home

536
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: to be his serving maid. This girl, Clara, was his niece.

537
00:23:53,320 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 1: Now cool cool a loser now. John Toland, who's one

538
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: of the preminent Hitler biographers of all times, says that

539
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: Clara was hot, quote with abundant dark hair. He claims

540
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: that she was quote installed with the Hitler's at an

541
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: end where Aloys was already carrying on an affair with

542
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: the kitchen maid Francisca. So, when Alois's first wife is alive,

543
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: he's got this sixteen year old niece who he's hitting on,

544
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: and also this like seventeen year old kitchen maid named Francisca,

545
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: both of whom he's like starting up a thing with

546
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: while his first wife is alive and dying, so when

547
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: his first wife died, Alois got her money and married Francisca.

548
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote now from the fantastic book explaining Hitler.

549
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: After his first wife died, developments in the Alois Hitler

550
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: household began to take on the appearance of a maimed

551
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: French farce. After a period of living conjugally but without

552
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: the benefit of clergy and with the kitchen maid, while

553
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: simultaneously enjoying the services of the even younger maid and niece, Clara,

554
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: he married the older one.

555
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: Well, good for.

556
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: Him, Good for him picking that seventeen year old, not

557
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: the sixteen year old. I guess how old is he

558
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: at this point? He is in his forties now. According

559
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: to John Toland, Francisca was quote only too aware of

560
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: how tempting a pretty maid could be to the success

561
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: to the susceptible Alois. After the wedding, the first thing

562
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: she did was get rid of Clara. Luckily, for Alois,

563
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: his second wife soon died, allowing him to finally realize

564
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: his true dream of marrying his teenage niece.

565
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: Wow, do you know how how did Francesca?

566
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: It was cancer? It was a lot of cancer. In

567
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: the Hitler family tree. He was kind of scared about

568
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: his whole enough not enough, not enough cancer among the Hitlers.

569
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

570
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: Some juvenile leukemia would have really dealt with some problems

571
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: for the world would be pretty great. Not often I

572
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: stand for juvenile leukemia, but for Hitler.

573
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: Get up in them bones.

574
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: Get up in them bones. Oh so uh. The only

575
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: thing getting in the way of Alois Hitler and his

576
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: true love with his teenage niece was the fact that

577
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: they were very close relatives. They officially share the same

578
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: grand uncle, Johann George Heidler. Now, even in the late

579
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, marrying your teenage niece was sort of frowned upon.

580
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did see that.

581
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: This is not one of those things where, no, it

582
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: was normal at the time, everybody's marrying their sixteen year

583
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: old serving girl niece. No, alloys had to get special

584
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: dispensation from the pope to marry and continue fucking his niece.

585
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: He wanted to fuck his niece so bad he got

586
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: pappal approval. Oh my god, that's that's Hitler's dad.

587
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: Just dear Pope, dear.

588
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: Pope, I got my niece. You gotta see this girl.

589
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me send you a couple of pictures.

590
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: I drew some creatures.

591
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you chose to be a celibate, it

592
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: doesn't mean I need to be a celibate. And I'd

593
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: like to break that with a child with.

594
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: A child related to, related to and kind of morally

595
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: responsible to.

596
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: Can I give a thumb Can I get a thumbs up?

597
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Thumbs up? Thumbs down? What's Catholicism say? And the pope

598
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: just said go for it, go for it. Yeahler's dad

599
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: had every official papal permission to fuck his niece.

600
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: All popes are great? Anything wrong?

601
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: What a great thing to exist a pope? Cool?

602
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: Hitler's Catholic?

603
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean Hitler didn't really give a shit. Well,

604
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: I mean he was a Hitlerist.

605
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like technically I guess on on the

606
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: on paper.

607
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. And at that point in Austria, you're not gonna

608
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: not you got to be straight with the Catholic Church. Yeah,

609
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: it's Austria. It's Austrian in the late eighteen hundreds.

610
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: How did this guy not get like the sin guilt

611
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: ship worked into him?

612
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean he might have. I assumed there were a lot.

613
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: I assume there was talk. I assume people were like,

614
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of fucked up, right.

615
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel so bad about sucking my niece child.

616
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if he did, but I'm gonna

617
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess people in town there were some like

618
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: but you know, those people all died of typhus, you know,

619
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: so we don't know what they were talking about. Not enough,

620
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: just give you all the Austrians, okay, So to make

621
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: things even creepier. According to Ron Rosenbaum's explaining Hitler quote,

622
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: even after the Vatican granted the dispensation, Clara continued to

623
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: call her new husband what she called him when she

624
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: was still his maid mistress uncle. So Hitler's mom called

625
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: his dad uncle the whole time Hitler was a kid.

626
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: That's worse than when parents call each other mother and father.

627
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's grosser. Then that's like Mike Pince shit on

628
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: another one.

629
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my uncle.

630
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gross. It's really gross, it's really nasty. Yeah,

631
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: this is the relationship Adolf Hitler was born into. So

632
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say in fairness to Hitler, because you

633
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: don't give Hitler credit for anything because he's Hitler. Yeah,

634
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: but as a baby, that's a rough situation to land in.

635
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Also, this is some classic uncle bullshit.

636
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always got a.

637
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: Good uncle on a bad on. It's always liked when

638
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: you got a bad uncle. It's nothing worse than a

639
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: bad uncle.

640
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: Hitler's dad was like the platonic ideal of a bad uncle, like.

641
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: The uncle that everyone's like, can he not come here?

642
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: And he can maynot have him around?

643
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Please, it's just cut that uncle out of everything.

644
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: Okay. So, uh, Hitler's dad marries two women that Uh

645
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw describes as young enough to be

646
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: his children. As a dad, he's remembered generally as a

647
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: strict authoritarian figure, but most people who knew the family

648
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: when his dad was alive say that Alois wasn't, you know,

649
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: particularly violent or bad by the standards of the time

650
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: towards his kid or his wife. We would probably almost

651
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: certainly call the discipline that Hitler endured child abuse today,

652
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: but it was not out of the norm for the area,

653
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: and most of the boys in Austria who grew up

654
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: around Hitler didn't grow up to be Hitler. So you

655
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: don't want to put too much influence on the fact

656
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: that his dad was an authoritarian. But a lot of

657
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: the boys around Hitler did grow up to be Nazis,

658
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: so let's not discount the impact of authoritarian parenting either.

659
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but it's probably not what we're looking for

660
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: for looking for the whole reason Hitler went all crazy,

661
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: the fact that his dad hit him sometimes.

662
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's like, that's not going to be that

663
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: doesn't that's a real age.

664
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: Z Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You're you're leaving out some

665
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: stuff if you if you drop it down to that

666
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: uncle father, my uncle father, uncle, my uncle daddy, Jesus

667
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: oh Hitler.

668
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

669
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: So we're gonna dig into Hitler as a young man

670
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: in his early love affairs. Great and spoilers. They're as

671
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: creepy as everything else in this podcast is gonna be.

672
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised if you thought Hitler the dad was bad.

673
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, there's no way like Hitler Adolph is like

674
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: a lothario coming from this place at all.

675
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: No, what's surprising is how much like Elliott Roger he is.

676
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not surprised by that. Fucking losersss God.

677
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: And of course that is the overwhelming thing that you

678
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: say to yourself when you get into some real deep

679
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: study of the Nazis is these fucking losers.

680
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: All you can say fucking losers.

681
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: You know who's not losers though, Brandy? Who the wonderful

682
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: sponsors who support this show and or program with their

683
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: products and or services and or add petro dollar, add money.

684
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm spinning out of control here. Products We're back, boy.

685
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: Love those products.

686
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Hate Hitler exactly, And there's nothing that's a squeegey for

687
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: your brain as well as a solid product or just

688
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: a nice service, especially on like a hot Hitler ful day.

689
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: Just like being told the possibilities.

690
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: The possibilities, you know what. Nazis didn't like possibilities, of

691
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: course not, but that's what you get with products and

692
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: services as possibilities. Yes, a lot of good economic discourse

693
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: coming out of this episode. We should write a book.

694
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: Let's write another Hitler book.

695
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: There enough there, there should be a couple more Hitler books. Okay,

696
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: so most of our what.

697
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: Hitler think about square space?

698
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Why would Hitler think about square space?

699
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't like the free speech of the internet.

700
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, I hate to say this because it's what

701
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: I do to make my living. But Hitler would a

702
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: thousand percent be a podcaster if he were around the day.

703
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

704
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he like wrote at length about how the

705
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: best way, the only real way to convince anyone of

706
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: anything was with the human voice. Yeah, and like the

707
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: power of like radio to isolate someone with a voice

708
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: and to really influence their thought, which is one of

709
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: the things that scares me about the podcast era. But

710
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: we're getting.

711
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: A whole supper converse. Yeah, he would be like an

712
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: Alex Jones type, but like with his own show.

713
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, yeah, he would be a lot more

714
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: popular than Alex ja. Yeah he would because I don't

715
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: think Alex has a problem saying the quiet part's loud,

716
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: and Hitler was, up until the point where he took power,

717
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: usually pretty good about quietly saying the loud parts. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

718
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's why he won.

719
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

720
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So most of our evidence for young Hitler's early

721
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: love affairs comes from a dude named August Kubazek. Now.

722
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Kubazek is a heavily debated figure amongst Hitler scholars. He

723
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: wrote a book about his childhood with Hitler after the war.

724
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: It apparently started during the Third Reich as a pro

725
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Hitler like Nazi biography, and then after the war, he

726
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: was like, well, I mean, I've already got this stuff down.

727
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: People are gonna want to know what Hitler was like

728
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: as a kid, so I'm gonna write this book. Some

729
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: of what he says is definitely either a lie or

730
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: stretching the truth. There's a lot of debate over how

731
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: much to trust him, but it's also incontrovertible that he

732
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: grew up with Hitler, that he was Hitler's really only

733
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: friend as a kid, and that they lived together. They

734
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: were essentially like freshman college roommates in the big city.

735
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: Like so he no one else has this perspective. So

736
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: kubaz X's book is an irreplaceable source for the early

737
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: years of Hitler's life. You can't under like you have

738
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: to be critically read him. You have to read him.

739
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I've read kubaz X's book, of course, and it's really interesting.

740
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: If you do take it well, I would recommend reading

741
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: like a John Toland or an Ian Kershaw biography first

742
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: and then go into kubaz X so you've got some

743
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: sort of context for it. I'm going to be quoting

744
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: from all three of these sources in the next little

745
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: bit here, because it provides a good synthesis, and I

746
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: trust those guys to separate probable truth from probable live

747
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: better than I trust myself, because they're elderly Hitler scholars

748
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: and I'm just a Hitler nerd Anyway, Kubazek recalls exactly

749
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: one romantic focus for Hitler in his young years, a

750
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: girl named Stephanie who lived in Lynz. That was the

751
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: small town that he grew up in. Now. Hitler was

752
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: madly in love with Stephanie, and we have no evidence

753
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: that she ever knew anything about him. In fact, later

754
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: in life after the war, when she was told that

755
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler had been in love with her, she was

756
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: shocked and horrified, which is it's a dick move to

757
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: tell any what that Yeah, oh man, what.

758
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: A bummer, because you're just like, am I responsible for you? Like?

759
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: You get through this horrible war. She was an austri

760
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: She saw some shit. It would have been a nightmare

761
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: for anyone living in that region. You get through this

762
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: horrible war, and then like years later, someone's like, by

763
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: the way, Hitler wanted to fuck you?

764
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 2: What would you ever tell anybody that process that baby

765
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: Hitler popping boners to you? Don't tell her that yeah,

766
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: because then that just makes you just rethink everything.

767
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: About is this my fault? No, Stephanie, you didn't definitely not.

768
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: You didn't do anything wrong. I mean, you've been dead

769
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: for decades, but you seem fine.

770
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: You're listening somewhere.

771
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get a medium.

772
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: You should be doing this podcast with a medium to

773
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: contact some of these people and be like, hey, it's okay.

774
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fine. Yeah. That's actually similar

775
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: to another podcast idea I have, which is using a

776
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: medium to sexually harass dead bastards. I really just want

777
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: to like see how uncomfortable I can make chairman now.

778
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, like really really get in there and

779
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: like Locke his ghost in a room. Yes, yeah, see

780
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: where it goes.

781
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: I am on board for that.

782
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: I think we all are. So if you want to,

783
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: So Hitler was in love with this girl who knew

784
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: nothing about him. He became convinced. And this is while

785
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: they're in like elementary school essentially like early high school era,

786
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Like he's a teenager, young teenager.

787
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: So during this, oh yeah, I was.

788
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: In marching band. I had one of these kids know

789
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: exactly who this is.

790
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a woman I've met who

791
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't have one of these kids in they're life. That's

792
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: one of the ski Yeah. Anyway, so Hitler became convinced

793
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: that Stephanie was sending him secret signals and messages only

794
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: he could see, and he would yeah, yeah, they were

795
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: destined to be together. He would rant about all this

796
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: to Kubazek, and Kubazek claims he was pretty like questioning

797
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: of all this stuff to Hitler, but like only to

798
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: an extent. Kubazeck did try to convince Hitler that if

799
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: he needed to at least talk to this girl, if

800
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: there's gonna be any hope of her liking him, at

801
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the very least, he suggested that Hitler should learn to dance,

802
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: because he knew that Stephanie liked dancing, which is like

803
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: solid advice, like, okay, get interested in something this girl's

804
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: interested in, have a similar interest. Pretty solid advice today.

805
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: So here's Kubazek quote, all this is no good, adolph

806
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: I replied, Stephanie is fond of dancing. If you want

807
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: to conquer her, you will have to dance around just

808
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: as aimlessly and idiotically as the others. That was all

809
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: that was needed to set him off raving. No, no, never,

810
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: he screamed at me, I shall never dance. Do you

811
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: understand Stephanie only dances because she is forced to by society,

812
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: on which she unfortunately depends. Once she is my wife,

813
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: she won't have the slightest desire to dance. That is

814
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: and Kopa's X books a generally pretty pro Hitler book,

815
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Like not pro the stuff Hitler did is like he's

816
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: obviously against the third Reich, but like he presents a

817
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: sympathetic view of Hitler. And this is how he describes it. Wow,

818
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: what a I mean, what a little maniac?

819
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: Isn't the sores for the word loser? It's truly insane, Like, no,

820
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: I'll never dance, She'll stop dancing.

821
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: She'll stop dancing too.

822
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: She'sn't even dancing because she wants to society.

823
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like a Reddit post.

824
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 2: Totally.

825
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: It sounds like a Reddit post. He'd be top, he

826
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: would be he would be so addicted to slash Pole,

827
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: like he would never get off of that fucking ship.

828
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: He'd be an eight chan like he'd be deep into

829
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: this ship. Dance Never, I shall never dance, Adolf Hitler,

830
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: there's your fucking t.

831
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: Shirt, guilty feet, ain't got no rhythm?

832
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yes nice? Oh boy? What are the good songs?

833
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: They always they always get it right, So exactly obvious.

834
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: Actually about Hitler.

835
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: It is about all music is about Hitler, one way

836
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: or the other. YEP, that's my theory. We'll talk about

837
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: Toto's Africa. It's it's a it's a stretch. But I'll

838
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: get you there now, I get I got a diagram,

839
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: I got a diagram. It's about the desert fox. And now, obviously,

840
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: waiting around and being an insane person did not woo Stephanie. Gradually,

841
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: Hitler started to realize that she wasn't going to fall

842
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: to him. According to Koubazak, Hitler reacted like you'd expect

843
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: a modern day insult to react with threats of violence.

844
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: Of course, quote Stephanie was at that time in an

845
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: unfriendly mood. She would pass the basically nearby road with

846
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: her face averted, as though Hitler did not exist at all.

847
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: This bought brought him to the verge of despair. I

848
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: can't stand it any longer, he exclaimed. I will make

849
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: an end of it. It was the first and as

850
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: far as I know, the last time that Adolf contemplated

851
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: suite A side seriously. It was not. He would jump

852
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: into the river from the Danube Bridge, he told me,

853
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: and then it would be over and done with. But

854
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: Stephanie would have to die with him. He insisted on that.

855
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: Once more, a plan was thought up in all its details.

856
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: Every single phase of the horrifying tragedy was minutely described,

857
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: including the part I would have to play. Even my

858
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: conduct of this as the sole survivor was ordained. The

859
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: somber scene was with me even in my dreams.

860
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: Young Hitler, oh God, just the most emo little shit want.

861
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: To kill himself and a girl he doesn't know him. God,

862
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: had he even talked to her at this point, well,

863
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: as far as we know they he never said a

864
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: word to her.

865
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I just you can't hate him more.

866
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: But you find new depths.

867
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: You find new depths of Yeah, like, yeah, Hitler, oh.

868
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: Here's a new cavity of hate haven't filled for you.

869
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this fucking loser so out you know.

870
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: That he's a loser. And then it's just like from

871
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: this age too, you're like, oh God, just go to

872
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: a toastmaster's class or something, you piece of shit.

873
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: This is part of why I get all frustrated when

874
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: people are like, he was a sexual serial killer and

875
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: that's why. No, dude, he was just a lame ass dude.

876
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: He's for sure like an Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am old.

877
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: I am old this woman and she doesn't deserve to

878
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: live if she doesn't like me, even though I've never

879
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: even talked to her.

880
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 2: Like, there were his parents together, his entires.

881
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: His dad died when he was, you know, in his teens,

882
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: and his mom died not all that, I mean, his

883
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: dad died when he was pretty young, and his mom

884
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: died also when he was pretty young, like again an adult,

885
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: So his I don't think he had His dad was

886
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: pretty authoritarian, but once his dad kicked off, it was

887
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: kind of just his mom, and she was sort of

888
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: he was a mama's boy. She was sort of a

889
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: doting mom. So was that Clara, Yeah, Clara Hitler, Clara Hitler, Yeah,

890
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: yeah Hitler. Adolf Hitler's mom was Clara.

891
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I see gotcha. Yeah, So it's he's born

892
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: in incest and then yeah, his dad dies and then

893
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: he's raised way okay, gotcha.

894
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So outside of his obsession with Stephanie kubaz

895
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: X says he doesn't know if any individual women in

896
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: Hitler's life in this period, certainly no one he might

897
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: have fucked. When they became young adults and moved to

898
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Vienna together, Hitler remained unlate. Here's John Toland's coverage of

899
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: Kubuzek's recollection quote. On promenades, girls and women would often

900
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: slightly glance at them. At first, Kubazek thought their interest

901
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: was directed to him, but it soon became apparent that

902
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: the reserved Adolph was the object. He coldly ignored their

903
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: silent invitations if the two did nothing about sex. They

904
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: spent hours at night discussing women, love and marriage, with Adolph,

905
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: as usual, dominating the conversation. Over and over. He insisted

906
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: that he must keep the flame of life pure. That is,

907
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: he believed, in accordance with his Catholic upbringing, a man

908
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: and a woman should keep themselves chaste in body and

909
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: soul until Mary's and just thus be worthy of producing

910
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: healthy children for the nation. But the dark side of

911
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: sex also haunted him, and he talked by the hour

912
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: about depraved sexual customs. He railed against prostitution, condemning not

913
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: only the whoors and their customers, but society. His condemnation

914
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: approached obsession, and one night, after attending a performance of

915
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Weddikin's Spring Awakening, he took Gustell's arm and said, we

916
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: must see the sink of iniquity. Once they turned down

917
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: a small, dark alley it was the Spittelberg Gusa, and

918
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: walked past a row of small hostels so brightly lit

919
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: that they could see the girls inside in their scanty

920
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: and slovenly attire. They sat there, recalled Kubazek, making up

921
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: their faces and combing their hair and looking at themselves

922
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: in the mirror, without, however, for one moment, losing sight

923
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: of the men strolling by. Occasionally a man would stop

924
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: in front of a house converse with a girl, and

925
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the light would go out. When the two youths reached

926
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: the end of the alley, Adolf maneuvered them in an

927
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: about face, and they took another long look at the

928
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: appalling site. Back in their room, Adolf went into a

929
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: lengthy tirade on the evils of prostitution, with quote a

930
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: cold objectivity, as though it were a question of his

931
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: attitude towards the fight against tuberculosis or towards cremation. Wow,

932
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: so this is young Hitler, celibate, wo angry about other

933
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: people not being celibate, and a real thought audit level

934
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: hatred of sex workers.

935
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: He is gallons of come and his sleep hm at

936
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: this point in his life. I mean, every fucking night,

937
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: what a what a.

938
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: Shitty little his socks shatter when they're tried.

939
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: Seriously, I cannot imagine, like how many fucking wet dreams a.

940
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: Dude happened, and they're all about the stuff that he

941
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: says is terrible. Yeah, because that's why you rant about

942
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: this for hours to your best friend. You're concealing an

943
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: erection as he yells about prostitution out there trying.

944
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: To make a living of any kind in this world.

945
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: Again, we all knew a Hitler. Oh yeah, we've all

946
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: known this kid.

947
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, absolutely, oh god, yeah, he is the

948
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: one that he's like, that's like one of the names

949
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: that you text the other people you went to high

950
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: school with that you just laugh about when you hear

951
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: their name. Ye remember that guy?

952
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, oh that guy. Yeah yeah. So Hitler's

953
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: mom died like right before this point of like a

954
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: really really horrifying cancer. Uh, and then you know, he

955
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: wound up in with Kubazek, which is where that happened.

956
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: They lived together for a while, but Kubazek was successful,

957
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: like he was a really good musician, and Hitler, you know,

958
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't get into art school. That's a pretty famous story.

959
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: He eventually ran out of money and wound up living

960
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: in a men's home, which was essentially like a homeless

961
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: shelter for vagrants. According to Ian Kershaw, being homeless did

962
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: not improve Hitler's game.

963
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine that it would.

964
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: Quote should be fair.

965
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: A home wouldn't have improved his game.

966
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: It seems like he was kind of hopeless either way.

967
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't would help. Yeah.

968
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: Quote. When his circle of acquaintances got round to discussing

969
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: women and doubtless their own former girlfriends and sexual experiences,

970
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: the best Hitler could come up with was a veiled

971
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: reference to Stephanie, who had been his first love, though

972
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: she never knew it because he never told her. The

973
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: impression left with Reinhold Hainisch was that Hitler had very

974
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: little respect for the female sex but very austere ideas

975
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: about relations between men and women. Hainish recalled Hitler telling

976
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: him of a brief encounter with a milkmaid while he

977
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: was still at school, ending abruptly when she made advances

978
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: and he ran away, knocking over a churn of milk

979
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: in his haste. This was probably a lie by Hitler.

980
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: Hitler described his own eye deal woman is cuddle. Is

981
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: a cute, cuddly, naive little thing, tender, sweet and stupid. Cool.

982
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: Cool, that's great. You want a baby? Peace? Well, I mean, yeah,

983
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: it runs in his blood.

984
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: Does run in his blood?

985
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

986
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's gonna be weird how much it runs

987
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: in his blood. But first we're back, okay, so uh.

988
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Hitler also claimed during this period that women would inherently

989
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: quote rather bow to a strong man than dominate a weakling.

990
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: Even for the time, young Hitler was seen as a

991
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: bit of a prude. This meant he didn't fit in

992
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: super well in Turn of the century Enna, where erotic

993
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: art was in vogue and people were starting to do

994
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: the nineteen oh nine version of opening up a little bit.

995
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: What's because he's just like popping boners all over them,

996
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: just popping Everyone could see him.

997
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: His leader hosenes just like an arrow.

998
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like constantly, just like very sweaty and pink,

999
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: with like a.

1000
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: Giant, angry direct terrible artists screaming at everybody and talking

1001
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: about how it's bad to come instantly Hitler, Oh, god nerd.

1002
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: So one of the things that was happening in Vienna

1003
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: this time, in the turn of the century is that

1004
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: rules about women's modesty had started to change and women

1005
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: were allowed to I mean, we're not talking like woke

1006
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: by our standards, but things are improving, you know, things

1007
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: are improving, and some women are pushing the envelope, both

1008
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: professionally and then just how they present themselves to the world.

1009
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Young Hitler did not like that, of course. Here's an

1010
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: excerpt from Kershaw's book again quote where decency demanded that

1011
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: women were scarcely allowed to even show an ankle. Hitler's

1012
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: embarrassment and the rapidity with which he fled with his

1013
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: friend when a prospective landlady, during a search for a

1014
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: room for Kubazek, let her silk dressing gown fall open

1015
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: to reveal that she was wearing nothing but a pair

1016
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: of knickers. But his brittishness went far beyond this. It amounted,

1017
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: according to kubaz x account, to a deep disgust and

1018
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: repugnance at sexual activity. Hitler avoided contact with women, meeting

1019
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: with cold indifference during visits to the opera alleged attempts

1020
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: by young women, probably seeing him as something of an oddity,

1021
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: to flirt with or tease him. He was repelled by homosexuality.

1022
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: He refrained from masturbation. Prostitution horrified but fascinated him. He

1023
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: associated it with venereal disease, which petrified him. So it

1024
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: is again hard to say how much of Kuba's x

1025
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: account is true. If Hitler was originally super anti gay,

1026
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: for example, he definitely got over that shit by the

1027
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: time he was out of the army. Ernst Rome, the

1028
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: head of the Brown Shirts, was a flamboyantly gay man

1029
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: who was flagrant about his love life. Hitler did eventually

1030
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: kill Rome, but only after he was in power, and

1031
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: some accounts say he resisted doing so for a very

1032
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: long time and expressed angst over the decision. Basically, Rome

1033
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: wanted to replace the German Army with the Brown Shirts,

1034
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: and that's why Hitler had to get rid of him,

1035
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: and there was definitely like he was willing to kill

1036
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: him because he was gay and he was seen as

1037
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: like a liability, but Hitler wasn't inherently against the idea

1038
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: of working with like It seems like he moderated on

1039
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: that as during his time in the army, at least

1040
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: from like a one point of view or another. There's

1041
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: debate about how much. But one thing that didn't change

1042
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: from Kubas X's memory of him was Hitler's obsession with

1043
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: venereal disease. The subject came up frequently in mind camp

1044
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: and in Hitler's early speeches. He generally like would compare

1045
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: the Jewish refugees immigrating to the country as like a

1046
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: form of venereal disease. And there was a lot of

1047
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: anti Semitic claims that Jewish prostitutes were spreading typhus. And

1048
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: there's actually a rumor that Hitler himself got syphilis from

1049
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: a prostitute sometime and like when he was a young adult.

1050
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: Some in Wisenthal, the fame Nazi Hunter, went to his

1051
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: grave believing this, even though there's no good evidence about it.

1052
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of weird questions as to why people

1053
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: is someone like Wisenthal who's a Holocaust however himself would

1054
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: be so much like into wanting to believe this, Yeah

1055
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: a reason. It's also there's like some weird A lot

1056
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: of the attempts to explain Hitler kind of come across

1057
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: as blaming a Jewish person for his hatred of Jewish people,

1058
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: which is really problematic.

1059
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an issue.

1060
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Kubuzek, for his part, always claimed that Hitler was,

1061
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: to the best of his knowledge, a normal dude, sexually

1062
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: not homosexual, not into anything weird, just like kind of

1063
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: a sexually frustrated young man. Kubuzek was so emphatic about

1064
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: that because by the nineteen fifties, when he was working

1065
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: on his book, there were numerous rumors that Hitler had

1066
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: been gay. This conspiracy theory is best embodied by the

1067
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: book The Pink Swastika from nineteen ninety five. That book

1068
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: was a major source for Denish Desso's a documentary where

1069
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Denish claims that Democrats are the modern Nazis and that

1070
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: gay people are Nazis and Hitler was gay, as a

1071
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: regular headline in far right publications. I found one on

1072
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: Breitbart from twenty sixteen that just said, new evidence from

1073
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: his doctors shows Hitler was gay. Obviously, it's not new evidence,

1074
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: it's it's the old OSS reports that suggested Hitler was homosexual.

1075
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: Of course, in the OSS document, doctor Langer wrote, quote,

1076
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: his sex life is as dual as plitical outlook. He

1077
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: is both a homosexual and heterosexual, both socialist and fervent nationalists,

1078
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: both man and woman. Again, that's just like psychoanalytic bullshit.

1079
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: There's there's no evidence that he was homosexual. He was

1080
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: okay with working with gay men, yeah, but like there's

1081
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: no evidence beyond that. It's like, yeah, one of the

1082
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: things that's interesting to me is when you read a

1083
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: lot of like the old nineteen thirties and late twenties

1084
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: news articles criticizing Hitler. A lot of these like nineteen

1085
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: twenties German journalists, some of whom are conservative, when they're

1086
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: talking about like homosexuality with the Nazi Party go out

1087
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: of their way to not condemn homosexuality, to just be

1088
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: like that, we're condemning the Nazis because their attitudes on

1089
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: homosexuality are so negative, but they have all these gay members. Yeah,

1090
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: which is more nuanced than I expected out of like

1091
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties journalists in Germany.

1092
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: Very interesting. Well, yeah, it does make a lot of

1093
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: sense though, because it's like I mean, coming after World

1094
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: War One, you're in the trenches with men, and you

1095
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: need some kind of comfort.

1096
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: To probably a lot of dudes fucking in World War One. Share.

1097
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just to feel like you're a person and

1098
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: not just part of a meat grinder. Yeah, you know,

1099
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: so it's like, I'm sure that definitely.

1100
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: You know, it was part of why attitudes started to

1101
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: open up, right until the Nazis clammed them shut again.

1102
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1103
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: Now, Just so we covered the basics of Hitler's life here,

1104
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: Hitler served in World War One. Obviously, he was at

1105
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: the front basically the entire war. There are rumors, as

1106
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: we covered in our Children of Dictators episode, that he

1107
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: fathered a son with a French woman during this time.

1108
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: This is very much doubted by historians, the kind of

1109
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: thing you can't debunk. But for what it's worth, the

1110
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: son of the guy who thought he was Hitler's son

1111
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: says that Hitler was a gentle lover to his grandma.

1112
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's based on. Seems like a reach.

1113
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: It seems like a weird flex too.

1114
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a gentle love. Here's the thing. I

1115
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: don't even know. I feel like he would be just

1116
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: like a petrified guy that would like come really quickly.

1117
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess that is more accurate.

1118
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels way like yeah, he's probably all fucking

1119
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: talk and then he's just like, oh okay, sorry, yeah,

1120
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: oh no, he says I'm sorry when he comes.

1121
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the Hitler.

1122
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1123
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: Now, when Hitler got back from World War One, he

1124
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: was sent by his military superiors to infiltrate a meeting

1125
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: of the National Socialist Political Party. And yet, you know

1126
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: the rest, more or less, he started giving speeches there,

1127
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: became a figure in the National Socialist Party, consolidated power,

1128
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and plotted his you know, not quite meteoric, but eventually

1129
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: total rise to power. Now, we don't have a whole

1130
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: lot on Hitler's sexuality during the early nineteen twenties or

1131
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: his relationships. Hanschtangele is one of the main sources for

1132
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: the claims that Hitler might have been gay, and he

1133
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: said stuff like this quote. Obvious prostitutes barely admitted to

1134
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: the Kaiserhoff hotel were fervently admired by him, provided that

1135
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: they appeared in couples or with a man. A solitary

1136
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: woman is usually ignored by him, unless he is in

1137
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: a large crowd and can send in someone to find

1138
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: out her identity. He always wishes to be a spectator,

1139
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: do you know, he once said to doctor Sedgwick in

1140
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, the audience at the circus is just

1141
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: like a woman. Someone who does not understand that intrinsically

1142
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: feminine character of the mass will never be an effective speaker.

1143
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: Ask yourself, what does a woman expect from a man? Clearness,

1144
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: decision power, action Like a woman, the masses fluctuate between extremes.

1145
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: What we want is to get the masses to act.

1146
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: This can obviously not be done with an appeal to

1147
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: their selfishness, nor to their cowardice, but by an appeal

1148
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: to their idealism, their courage, and their spirit of sacrifice.

1149
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Who has more the spirit of sacrifice than a woman?

1150
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: If she has talked too properly, she will be proud

1151
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: to sacrifice, because no woman will ever feel that her

1152
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: life sacrifices have received their duel fulfillment. It's Hitler analyzing

1153
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: the German people and interesting.

1154
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just what a first date?

1155
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: What a first date? Hans Stangele claims to have asked

1156
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: him once, why don't you marry, and he says. Hitler answered, quote,

1157
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: marriage is not for me and never will be. My

1158
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: only bride is my motherland. Then, seemingly with no sequence

1159
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: of ideas, he added, there are two ways in which

1160
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: a man's character may be judged by the woman he

1161
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: marries and by the way he dies. In nineteen twenty three,

1162
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: when Hanstangle once playfully six, if not a bride, you

1163
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: ought to have a mistress, Hitler replied, politics is a woman.

1164
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: He who loves her unhappily bites off his head. So

1165
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: this is one of the versions of Hitler. You get

1166
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: that he's just too busy being the embodiment of Germany

1167
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: to flirt with ladies.

1168
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: What a piece of I.

1169
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: Think he continues that line the rest of his life.

1170
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: I think in this stage it's not true. But he's

1171
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: not actually dating around that much, and in this stage

1172
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: he's still too awkward. He starts to have success with

1173
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: women when he gets popular, Yeah, when.

1174
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: He starts getting some power, because then it's not about him,

1175
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: it's about the mythic thing that he's created.

1176
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: And in that case, he keeps saying that out loud

1177
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: and hiding his relationships with women. But he's also fucking

1178
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: some people. So anyway, that's the way this goes. So

1179
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: it's hard, basically impossible to say when Hitler lost his virginity.

1180
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: We do have one spectacular example of Hitler striking out

1181
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: with a lady. It happened in nineteen twenty three, right

1182
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: before Hitler's famous beer hall push, when they were at

1183
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Burkdis Garden. Now the story is related by Honchstangle, who

1184
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: had come to visit Hitler in Burkedus Garden on invitation,

1185
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: but like Hitler, didn't like own a house there or anything.

1186
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: At that point, they were all staying in a hotel.

1187
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: The manager of the hotel was a guy named her Buckner,

1188
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: who was a German flying ace in World War One

1189
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: and who had, according to Honstangle, a quote strikingly buxom,

1190
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: six foot tall blonde wife, which made her taller than Hitler.

1191
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: This rather vulgar, sensuous, blue eyed woman had manifestly succeeded

1192
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: in completely inflaming Hitler to a degree that made him

1193
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: seem entirely beyond himself. His breath was short, his cheeks feverish,

1194
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: his eyes filled with exaltation. In a swashbuckling manner, Hitler

1195
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: was strutting up and down the large veranda and garden,

1196
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: swinging his whip. He would stop now and again to

1197
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: talk to Frau Buckner, whip in hand, punctuating his sentences

1198
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: with the whip in a schoolboy fashion. He was obviously

1199
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: showing off talking at Frau Buckner in the numerous gallery

1200
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: of admiring females, all party adherents he made, However, no

1201
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: impression on Frau Buckner. On and on he went through

1202
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: the whole afternoon, acting the desperado, the wild man, the

1203
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: man of destiny. The whole performance seemed hopefully pubescent and empty.

1204
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, Hitler just just whacking swinging a whip, trying

1205
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: to flirt with a girl.

1206
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: Check out my whip.

1207
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: Check the shit out? How good I am with his whip?

1208
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Are you impressed?

1209
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: No?

1210
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: Think I look good?

1211
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's like the nineteen twenties version of just like yeah,

1212
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: watching somebody play video games? Check it out?

1213
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: No, check out out good I am? So we get

1214
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: this headshot.

1215
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: Have so many potions. Think of how many potions I have.

1216
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: It's not real no now.

1217
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: Hitler also had a gigantic crush on his friend Putsy's wife,

1218
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: Helen A. Hompstangle. Ian Kershaw writes quote, on one occasion,

1219
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: he took advantage of Putsy Hompstangle's brief absence from the

1220
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: room to fall on his knees in front of Helen

1221
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: a Hompstangle, describing himself as her slave and bemoaning the

1222
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: faith that had led him to her too late. When

1223
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: Helen had told him of the incident, puts he put

1224
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: it down to Hitler's need to play the role of

1225
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: the languishing troubadour from time to time.

1226
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: This guy just like needed to be like that. He's

1227
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: a cuck, is what he actually is. That I think

1228
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: is what he would have preferred.

1229
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: He needed a good sex therapist, say no, dude, just

1230
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: do this.

1231
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah exactly, just like ask like, watch some

1232
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: of your friend's bone. That's why I think you that's.

1233
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: Why I think you'd be happiest with Hitler. Maybe give

1234
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: up politics and just watch your friend's bone. Yeah, be

1235
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: that guy, Be that guy that's so yeah compared to Hitler,

1236
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: that's a great guy to be.

1237
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and especially like that is the child of

1238
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: a dad uncle. Yeah, I mean, like that's what your

1239
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: kid becomes.

1240
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when Putsy later expressed the worry that Hitler

1241
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: was essentially trying to steal his wife's affections. Helena told

1242
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: Putsy not to worry. Hitler was quote an absolute neuter,

1243
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: so that was Helena's attitude towards him. Now, Hitler would

1244
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: later prove them in the oss wrong. Actually, in the

1245
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: early autumn of nineteen twenty six, when the rising fascist

1246
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: political star I met a girl named Mimi Writer. We

1247
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: will talk about her Hitler's courtship process and his preferences

1248
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: in fucking in part two of this podcast, But right now,

1249
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: it's the end of the episode till Thursday when we

1250
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: talk about the rest of this stuff. I see, Yeah, that.

1251
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: Was just that's just getting us to this, to me me.

1252
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: That's just getting us to me, me, giving us to

1253
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: me me. Maybe the first girl, it's really well, not

1254
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: the first girl he fucks, but like the first girl,

1255
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: we have a lot of detail on how he courted her.

1256
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 2: I see.

1257
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be talking a lot about how Hitler

1258
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: flirted with girls.

1259
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: Was finally moving on from his fucking hand.

1260
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: His fucking hand, his leader hos.

1261
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That he's such a he's such a.

1262
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Loser, he's such a loser.

1263
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: I just wish ick beennign loser. There needs to be

1264
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: like what is the.

1265
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: People need to know? How lame we we always do,

1266
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: Like it's either like Hitler at the end of the war,

1267
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: where he's like a sick old man, or like Hitler

1268
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: is this terrifying warlord. Yeah, and we miss out on

1269
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: in Cell Hitler.

1270
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: You definitely nail the Elliott Rogers perspective for sure. Like,

1271
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: and it's so interesting too, because it seems like he

1272
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: skipped right to in cell, Like he didn't have this

1273
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: like game phase where he was even trying to make

1274
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: it work. He just immediately knew that he needed power

1275
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: of any kind to get anybody because he was such a.

1276
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: Zero because he yeah, there was otherwise no chance.

1277
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the entitlement, all of it.

1278
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh hate it. It's gross. You know. I

1279
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: try not to like psychoanalyze how much of this was,

1280
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: like did he get into power because he went Like

1281
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: I think it was probably ancillary and everyone does things

1282
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. But like you can't look

1283
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: at his backstory and not see that like frustrated kid

1284
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: who just like, yeah, doesn't understand why some people are

1285
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: good at that And he's not, and like he's pissed

1286
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: because of it.

1287
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: Well, and it's just like the entitlement as opposed to

1288
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: like growing yourself and making yourself a more rounded learning

1289
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Speaker 2: to dance. Yes exactly, I mean that, that's exactly. It's

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Speaker 2: all these kind of guys. It's just like, just get

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Speaker 2: a hobby that isn't just like trying to fuck somebody.

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Speaker 2: It's like not just be a well rounded person in

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Speaker 2: your own regard, and then people will be interesting for

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Speaker 2: people to be interested in you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because his whole thing, And like in koubas X's book,

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Speaker 1: it becomes like the way he portrays Hitler's like he

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Speaker 1: loves talking about his opinions on everything, of course, but

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Speaker 1: he's not good at much. No, he just loves to

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Speaker 1: talk about what he thinks about things. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: And like learn to dance, man, that's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of self important with nothing to back it up.

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Speaker 1: It's just we don't care. Learn to dance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like life's not that serious. Just like, learn to

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Speaker 2: dance a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Go do something besides yell at people. Hitler, Yeah, get

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: a fucking dog, yeah, get a fucking dog. Well he

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: did do that, and we will talk about how dogs

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Speaker 1: play into his flirtation style soon, of course they do.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be gross. Brandy, you got some pluggables to plug.

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Speaker 2: It's very, very fun. We just had Pendleton Ward, the

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Craig Bartlett does our show a lot. He's the creator,

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Speaker 2: Hey Arnold, and we have people from like BoJack and

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Speaker 1: It's super smp oh man, it's crazy. Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fun. And second Saturday every month it's

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Speaker 2: my favorite thing to do. And then I tour like

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Speaker 2: half the year. So Brandy Posey dot com and yeah,

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Speaker 2: that sounds.

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Speaker 1: So much more gratifying than just talking about hitler sex life.

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Speaker 1: It is, but if you're into Hitler's sex life, you

1332
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Speaker 1: should follow my Twitter. Yeah I met I right, Okay,

1333
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Speaker 1: you should follow this show's Twitter. At Bastards Pod. You

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Speaker 1: find the sources for this episode and every episode on

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Speaker 1: behind the Bastards dot com. Look us up on Tea Public,

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Speaker 1: Fight Hitler even though he's dead and you're not actually

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Speaker 1: fighting him. Just buy a shirt and feel better. Yeah, ibitalism.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter and on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: at Bastards Pod. Sophie's in here, and this is a

1341
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: goddamn train wreck. Play me out, Johnny, We're back. Wait,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastard Podcast.

1343
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: Bad people talk about Brandy Posey.

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: That's me. We are here.

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Speaker 1: It's part two, Part two. Hitler focks, Hitler fucks Boogoloo,

1346
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Speaker 1: Hitler dick. Everybody's thinking about it, and everybody's thinking about.

1347
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: It, everybody but Hitler's stupid dick.

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Speaker 1: Hitler STUDI and I'm gonna guess you know he doesn't

1349
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: seem like a guy who did a lot of core

1350
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: strengthening exercises. So I'm going to guess a little little

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01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: low energy.

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Hitler is like, uh, like a like a

1353
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: like a five pump kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know what his hair would do because

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01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: I can imagine like a sweat drenched fucking Hitler with

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01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 1: just like that little thing flipping down on the front

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: He's just constantly just yeah, so mad, Like every organizasm

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,479
Speaker 2: makes him mad because it makes him happy.

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Speaker 1: It just gets angrier and angrier the more he comes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like Hitler. Why does it make me feel good?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand is bad Hitler? That was going a

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01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: little Russian there, a little a little yeah, I'm not

1364
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: great at accents. It's okay anyway, Uh, the podcast The Hitler.

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Speaker 1: When we left off, we had just sort of established

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: Hitler's youth in his young adulthood, the way his best

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Speaker 1: friends talked about him and his sexual life, although after

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Speaker 1: they were no longer his best friends. So again, I'll

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Speaker 1: take everything you hear about Hitler with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of salt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: One thing we know about the guy for sure is

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Speaker 1: that burkedis Goden was his happy place. It's basically a

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Speaker 1: quiet mountain town where he had eventually built a giant

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01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: fortress up there. But it was he had like a

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: room on to the top of the mountain where he

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: could stare pensively at it the skyline and contemplate being Hitler.

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Speaker 2: He just needed Emo.

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Speaker 1: I think he just needed like Elliot Smith would have

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Speaker 1: saved the world lot of problems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I feel so seen, I feel so seen.

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Speaker 2: He is also right life his pain. I understand him

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Speaker 2: becoming a Transylvanian.

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Speaker 1: So the accidents are going to be all over the

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Speaker 1: fucking place. Well, oh boy. Now, in autumn of nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty six, Hitler took a trip to burke has Gotten

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Speaker 1: in order to relax and plot the Nazi Party's next

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Speaker 1: series of electoral coups. Well, he was staying at a

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Speaker 1: fancy hotel.

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Speaker 2: Oh writer's retreat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically a writer's retreat. Yeah, he was going up

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Speaker 1: to Big Bear to like write, get his tight five down.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if he also took a bunch of spinach with

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Speaker 2: him that he didn't end up eating.

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Speaker 1: Almost certainly, that's.

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Speaker 2: Every writer's retreat I've ever gone on. I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing nothing, but kale gets eaten. I just go

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Speaker 2: to Taco Bell instead.

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Speaker 1: Hitler had that experience.

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Speaker 2: Too, Oh yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, while he was staying in a fancy hotel,

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Speaker 1: Hitler metal lady named Maria writer Mimi to her friends. Now,

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Speaker 1: young Mimi was in a rough spot in life. Her

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Speaker 1: mom had died of cancer two weeks earlier. Her dad,

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01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: a member of the Social Democratic Party, had pulled her

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Speaker 1: out of her Catholic boarding school to help run the

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Speaker 1: family clothing store. Now, the store was located in the

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Speaker 1: bottom floor of the hotel where Hitler was staying, and

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Speaker 1: Hitler saw her as soon as he arrived. Seemingly at once,

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Speaker 1: this thirty seven year old politician saw a grieving sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old girl and was like, I gotta give me

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Speaker 1: some of that, Hitler, It's.

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Speaker 2: The only moment his dad's ever been proud of him.

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Speaker 1: Like, hell, there's one more. Okay, great, of course, probably

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Speaker 1: a couple.

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Speaker 2: Like father, uncle, like son and cousin uncle.

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Speaker 1: Now, even at the time, sixteen was a bit young

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Speaker 1: for a middle aged man to date. A yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That became a pattern with Hitler. The older he grew

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Speaker 1: the age of the girls he flirted with state the

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Speaker 1: same yep yep tracks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I here's the thing. Nothing you've said is

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Speaker 2: surprising to me. You're just like, yeah, no, I that

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Speaker 2: fills in that part of the puzzles.

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Speaker 1: In that part of the puzzle, it's just like picking

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Speaker 1: up little pieces. This guy's not such a mystery. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've known a.

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Speaker 2: Few of him. It's mostly it's one of those like

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Speaker 2: it's a puzzle of just like a piece of shit,

1430
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: but with no borders, so the puzzle just keeps expanding

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Speaker 2: in every direction.

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Speaker 1: Not only do I feel like I know this guy,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've stood in a police station with

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Speaker 1: several friends and tried to warn the police about this guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, it's yeah. It's one of those guys

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Speaker 2: that you're like, just get out of there.

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, just maybe I should just duck and roll.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just gotta you just gotta go. God, I

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Speaker 2: hit on sixteen year old.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the most like I was. I was.

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01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: I've definitely told some gross jokes about women in my time,

1442
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Speaker 1: especially when I was like seventeen, eighteen years old. Like

1443
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: I grew up with the same toxic bullshit as everything else.

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: One of the big things in my like change of

1445
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: mind state around this was just the fact that like

1446
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Speaker 1: coming to a realization throughout my twenties that like, well,

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01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: every woman I know has been scared for her life

1448
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: at some point during a date. I'm just worried about like,

1449
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: am I tipping enough? Like is she gonna judge?

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01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like the stakes are very very different different, Yeah, like,

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Speaker 2: oh I get it. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Hitler's one of those guys today who would have made

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Speaker 1: a lot of women scared.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah exactly, and then been like, oh, it's

1455
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: your problem, it's your problem.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, man, I'm not sure what the accents are.

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01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: Going to have a little bit of empathy the situation

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Speaker 2: that might be different from yours.

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh so. Ian Kershaw notes quote Hitler preferred women

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01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: much younger than himself, girls he could dominate who would

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Speaker 1: be obedient, playthings but not get in his way. I

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: guess he seems pretty accurate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hitler waited until he saw Mimi out of work,

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Speaker 1: sitting on a bench in a nearby park with her

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Speaker 1: sister playing with their dog, which, okay, better move than

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01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: flirtin are at work? Wait till she's out and you know,

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01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: a social public situation or whatever. She's not alone, so

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Speaker 1: you're not like, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you could not with the work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna like game like question Hitler so far solve

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01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: of the opening moves you could not not terrible and

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01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: in the fact that she's a literal teenager. So he

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: goes up to this girl.

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Speaker 2: What is this guy? A Republican potentially a senator from Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: I was basically, what's going on?

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not like this happens today.

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Speaker 1: So he's a pretty big name in Germany in nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty six, and Mimi recognizes him immediately. Not a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys look like Hitler. Yeah, yeah, that is one

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01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: of he's Hitler.

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01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's recognizable.

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01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: He pretty much like that's a Hitler right there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did he have a mustache at this point?

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're about to talk about that. So Mimi

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Speaker 1: later talked to interviewers and I'm going to quote the

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01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: book explaining Hitler's kind of the way it put together

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01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: her recollection of how Hitler flirted with her during this period. Quote,

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Speaker 1: she describes the affair. In the language of a Harlequin

1491
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: romance novel, Hitler is the stiff, somewhat ruthless stranger who

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: first appears with a dog and a whip, but is

1493
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: later melted into a schoolgirl fantasy lover by her charms.

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01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,799
Speaker 1: Quote from Mimi there is the famous Hitler, recently released

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: from prison. She's told He was wearing breeches, a light

1496
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: vlure hat, she recalls, and his hand was a writing whip.

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: He had warm, light gray stockings and a windbreaker that

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: was held together by a leather belt. Beside him walked

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: a beautiful shepherd. He sees her too, and is theatrically captivated.

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Speaker 1: He asks Mimi's sister, could you introduce me to this bliss?

1501
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: Mimi is brought over. He transferred his writing whip from

1502
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: his right hand to his left, gave me his hand

1503
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: and looked at me with a piercing gaze, and praised

1504
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: her dog. The dog is really beautiful and well trained.

1505
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: You are really good at that. They talked about dogs

1506
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: for an hour. Hitler quote did not take his eyes

1507
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: off of Mimi. Then he very formally asked her sister

1508
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: Annie whether she would permit him to take Mimi for

1509
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: a walk. Sometime at that she Mimi got up and

1510
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: ran away. So this is the first meeting. Still she

1511
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: was fascinated in a starstrke way. He looks quite dashing

1512
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: with his breeches and his writing whip. There is one

1513
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: note that spoils the picture, his mustache, the funny flies

1514
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: she calls the black hairy growths between beneath Hitler's nose.

1515
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: He was still figuring out the mustache at this point.

1516
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: So she's I mean, she's a literal child, but isn't

1517
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: an entirely against it at first, but runs off when

1518
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: she's flirted with which again, this is fucking nineteen twenty six.

1519
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, And it's also like, at

1520
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: a certain point, having been like a young gal, that

1521
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: you kind of have to endure those things. You you're

1522
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: polite until you see an exit, and then you're like, okay,

1523
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: time to go. I'm not gonna Also, I'm not going

1524
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 2: to like outright rebuke you because you're in a position

1525
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: of power.

1526
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's weird because she recalls this as like

1527
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: a positive thing, Okay, see, but it's also like, yeah,

1528
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: she's recalling this years later, and like when she realizes

1529
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: that she essentially hooked up with the most famous man

1530
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: of the twentieth century. Yeah, so like some of this

1531
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: is going to be retroactively, she's going to make it

1532
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: like a thing. I don't know. I can't imagine being

1533
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: that position. So I'm not gonna judge Memi writer.

1534
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, she's a child.

1535
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: Also, she's sixteen. Yeah, yeah, he's the thirty seven year

1536
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: old approaching her. So Pitler invited Mimi and her sister

1537
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,839
Speaker 1: to a Nazi party meeting where he was giving a speech.

1538
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to give public speeches in nineteen twenty

1539
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: six condition of his parole. So he's an older man

1540
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: with a parole history. Like, who's on parole? Hit not

1541
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old?

1542
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: What he is? What is he a what is he

1543
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: a line chef at a rib place?

1544
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: That's exactly how he mixed his money, fucking courtsy. He's

1545
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: got a tramsand.

1546
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: Oh god off, oh I know these guys.

1547
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: I've bought coke from Hitler.

1548
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's totally who Hitler is.

1549
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 2: Oh god, Oh, I remember working in a in a

1550
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: rib place when I was when I was a teenager

1551
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 2: in high school, Like this, I know this guy exactly.

1552
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: And there's this one chef that didn't talk to me

1553
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: at all until on on Valentine's Day he brought me

1554
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: a candy heart that had a picture of a moose

1555
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: on it and it said you a moose me okay.

1556
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: And I remember just being like, thanks, that's a move.

1557
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: I And then he had like a child, he had

1558
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 2: like a baby that he brought to one of my

1559
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: ship I was like, cool, glad, you're introduced me to

1560
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: your baby. I don't give a shit about this.

1561
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: So how long have you all been married?

1562
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: He's probably dead.

1563
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: I hope he is in a healthy society. That's what happens. Yeah,

1564
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: the Hitler like guide dies of a coke overdose in

1565
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: his car and at age thirty four.

1566
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly, I just remember, man, No, that's who

1567
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: Hitler was, for sure. That's fucking fry cook.

1568
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 1: Was fry cook. In a healthy society, all our Hitlers

1569
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: are fry cooks. Yeah, and some of our fry cooks

1570
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: become Anthony Bourdaines, but none of our Anthony Boardines become Hitler's.

1571
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: No, none, no, no, absolutely not.

1572
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a healthy society.

1573
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1574
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, uh so, yeah, Hitler since that this teenager

1575
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: was attracted to his fame, so he like really played

1576
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: that up. After this big event, he put her and

1577
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: her sister at the head table for dinner and sat

1578
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: them right next to him, so they felt like they

1579
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: were at the center of this big, important political meeting.

1580
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a big important political the nts'

1581
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: woun up a charge.

1582
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 2: But it's funny like thinking about like from the perspective

1583
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: of the other Nazis in the room, just like, Oh,

1584
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 2: and Hitler has.

1585
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: Two children with the boss is hitting on a teenager.

1586
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 2: Cool this, We're on the right side of it.

1587
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: We're the right ones.

1588
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: We're the good guys.

1589
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:13,719
Speaker 1: We're doing great.

1590
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a fucking cook, pedophile boss running a party.

1591
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: We're on the right side of history.

1592
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we're the good guys. Yeah, which totally are.

1593
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: God.

1594
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: She later recalled, and I have to remind you she's

1595
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: talking about Hitler here. Quote. I was very embarrassed and blushed.

1596
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: It was as if he had organized the meeting just

1597
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: for me, as if all that counted for him now

1598
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: was to just conquer me. She was apparently feeling that

1599
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: during dinner, Hitler quote fed her pieces of cake like

1600
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: a little child. He treated her like a child, and

1601
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: then again like a grown woman. After dinner, he talked

1602
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: about her dead mom and told her that she had

1603
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: the same eyes as his dead mom. Hitler's game is

1604
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: pretty weird.

1605
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: Wow, god, oh, there's just so.

1606
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: Many lot of dead moms coming into how Hitler flirts.

1607
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: Oh, ma'am, show me a picture of your dead mom.

1608
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: I hear your Masa is dead.

1609
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: Show me mine. I'll show you your.

1610
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: Tragically dead mas off.

1611
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Let's put their pictures together and make them kiss.

1612
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: Does this do anything for you? Just sixty nine are

1613
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 2: dead mom's faces. Is that what you like? Little child?

1614
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: This is how fuck? Yes?

1615
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just whipping photos of somebody else's dead mother.

1616
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: Throw your mother's photo.

1617
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it watched me cut it and a half.

1618
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 1: Oh boy, god, oh boy. Yeah. So uh he followed

1619
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: that with uh or he followed with what Mimi described

1620
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: as a coarse sexual advance, although she unfortunately does not

1621
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: give the exact details of that. Yeah, give him the twenties.

1622
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 1: It might have been him complimenting her hands or something.

1623
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1624
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: Completely innocent like that, well, not completely innocent. She was sixteen,

1625
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: he was thirty seven. But yeah, you get what I'm saying.

1626
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1627
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: Uh. Later in the dinner, a guest asked Hitler why

1628
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't married yet. This was a pretty common question

1629
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: for Hitler to get. He answered that, of course, he

1630
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: had to save Germany first. According to Mimi, though at

1631
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: the exact same time, quote Hitler touched my legs with

1632
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: his knee and heavily stepped on my toes with his shoe,

1633
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 1: a funny and rude hint at what he wanted to say.

1634
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: This works, This works on Memy, She says, it does

1635
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: at least you know, who knows how accurate her recollections.

1636
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it because also, like being a

1637
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: sixteen year old girl at that point, it's this is like,

1638
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: this is all intoxicating, This is all very uh, it's

1639
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 2: all very complimentary.

1640
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: And not that the two men are similar, but he's

1641
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: like a similar level in national politics of someone like

1642
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: Beto overwork, where people are seriously talking this guy might

1643
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: be in charge soon. So there's that there's that dimension

1644
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: of this.

1645
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: YEA, yeah for sure. Well, and it's also like, you know,

1646
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: you've been forced to drop out of school by your dad,

1647
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: like your own mind's dead. Yeah, you're only way to

1648
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: a better life at this point is probably through a

1649
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: man to another situation, like you aren't really probably you

1650
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: aren't being primed to take.

1651
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: Over a business of your Your dad's a member of

1652
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: like the opposite political party, so maybe there's a little

1653
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 1: bit of that going on too, where my dad's gonna

1654
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: really hate this.

1655
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: But I'm bringing home the ultimate bad boy.

1656
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no better date than a bad boy than

1657
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: literally Hitler.

1658
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah seriously.

1659
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So, based on what you know about Hitler's game

1660
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: so far, what would you expect his next step was

1661
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: after talking about his dead mom and then stomping on

1662
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: a girl's foot.

1663
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe just like putting some of his dad's

1664
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: ashes on like lipstick and I'm asking for a kiss.

1665
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: Is that that would actually be less creepy? He chose

1666
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: animal abuse. Oh great, here's MEMI reader quote. We went

1667
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: out into the night. Hitler was about to put his

1668
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: arm around my shoulders and pull me towards him, when

1669
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: the two dogs suddenly attacked each other. Hitler suddenly intervened

1670
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: like a maniac. He hit his dog with his writing

1671
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: whip and shook him violently by the collar. He was

1672
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: very excited. I did not expect that he could hit

1673
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: his dog so brutally and ruthlessly, the dog which he

1674
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: had said he could not live without. Yet he beat

1675
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: up his loyal companion. How can you be so brutal

1676
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: and beat your dog like that? I asked, it was necessary,

1677
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,799
Speaker 1: Hitler said, tenderly. He touched my shoulders. His mouth changed,

1678
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: His voice sounded sad. Don't you want to kiss me?

1679
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: He asked. She forces herself to say no, that they

1680
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't see each other again. Hitler takes the reaction badly.

1681
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: He turned cold. Kindness disappeared from his face. Abruptly. He

1682
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: turned away, said Hyle and left. Yeah. I mean pro tip, Hitler,

1683
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: don't beat dogs on a first date.

1684
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1685
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to say that. Yeah, I shouldn't have

1686
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: to say don't beat dogs.

1687
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I shouldn't have to say it anyway. Maybe

1688
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: not on the first you know, you don't do that.

1689
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: Most experts say animal abuse is like a third date.

1690
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: Thanks you exactly.

1691
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: That's when you get that dog whip out. Yeah, ok, man,

1692
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: you and your goddamn whip.

1693
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: He spooned that dog that night and just whispered sweetenoughing

1694
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 2: to that poor dog's.

1695
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: Ear Oh, I really feel for that dog.

1696
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,959
Speaker 2: Have all a Hitler's dogs, They just saw so many

1697
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 2: sad masturbations. Yeah, absolutely did.

1698
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: We don't think enough about the suffering dog kind went

1699
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: through during those years. No, it was it was rough,

1700
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, poor babes. Yeah. Now, Hitler, once rejected,

1701
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: was not about to give up on his dreams of

1702
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: conquering this girl, literally less than half of his age.

1703
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: He sent one of his men to Mimi's store the

1704
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: next day. This guy told Mimi that he'd never seen

1705
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: the boss so filled with love. Believe me, the man

1706
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: is on fire. Now. This got me me to give

1707
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: Hitler a second chance. Yeah, she agreed to a second

1708
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: and it wasn't quite a date, but she agreed to

1709
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: hang out with him again. He picked her up at

1710
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 1: work and took her in a ride in his Mercedes.

1711
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: He didn't drive, of course, his man Maurice handled the driving.

1712
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: Hitler couldn't drive. He sat next to Mimi in the back.

1713
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: Quote he took my hand and put it into his lap.

1714
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: Then he took my other hand as well and pressed it.

1715
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: Now I have your hands, and I have you, and

1716
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: I will keep you now, you know. Yeah, A big

1717
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 1: fan of Hitler's Hitler's Hitler's moves.

1718
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't like his moves.

1719
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like.

1720
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 2: What Mimi needed, Like she needed like a Wilson through

1721
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: the fence advice.

1722
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: You had an older man going like, oh, you shouldn't

1723
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: be dating thirty seven year old Nazis. Yeah.

1724
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she needed somebody to be on her side.

1725
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: Here some good adult advice. Oh god, I guess dad

1726
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: was grieving. I'm not gonna hit on him too hard,

1727
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: but it is kind of a failure of parenting if

1728
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: your daughter dates Hitler. Yeah, when she's sixteen. You know,

1729
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: adult kids can date Hitler. That's their mistake to make exactly.

1730
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 2: There's a couple of lessons that should have been taught better.

1731
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 1: Parenting at a few levels in this story would have

1732
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: really really helped with some problems. Yeah so uh. For

1733
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: their next date, Hitler took her to a graveyard to

1734
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: see her mom's grave. What happened next is just so

1735
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: strange that I I'm gonna read explaining Hitler's description because

1736
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's weird. Quote. Hitler's overcome thinking of his

1737
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: own mother, moved by something he did not want to

1738
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,959
Speaker 1: tell me. What he said sounded very grave and utmost distress.

1739
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: I am not ready yet. Hitler, holding onto his writing whip,

1740
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: comforts as sobbing Mimi, and strangely chooses that moment to

1741
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: tell her, I you to call me Wolf. That was

1742
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: his preferred nickname Wolf. So he takes her to his

1743
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: mom's grave or her mom's grave, says he's not ready

1744
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: to fuck, and then asks her to call him Wolf.

1745
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: That was his favorite nickname. He thought it sounded cool.

1746
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: He made all his friends call him Wolf. Secret headquarters

1747
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: during the invasion of Russia was the wolf's lair. I'm

1748
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: just saying he would have been one of those guys

1749
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: with an unironic wolf howling at the moon shirt.

1750
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: You can't tell people your nickname.

1751
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: No, then it's not a nickname. Then it's narcissism. Yes,

1752
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: if you get a cool nickname, congratulations. Yeah, but you

1753
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: gotta earn it.

1754
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 2: Yes, you won't get to pick your own. Yeah, it's bullshit.

1755
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: You know what you do get to pick of your

1756
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: own is the products and services that you spend your

1757
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: money and or commerce units to purchase. ADS. We're back, A,

1758
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: we're back. We just enjoyed the freedom of choice that

1759
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: Hitler would not have approved of. Although, actually, if we're

1760
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna be really honest, the Nazi regime was seriously in

1761
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: bed with the capitalist interest in Germany at the time

1762
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: and phrased a lot of what they were doing as

1763
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: a defense of free trade against unionism.

1764
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a whole that's another podcast product.

1765
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: Owners talking about his dick to day god, not the

1766
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: entanglements of fascism and capitalism throughout history, his little modern day. Yeah,

1767
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: it's a little little wolf wolfy, wolf Wolfy. So on

1768
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: their fourth date, Hitler decided to make his move on

1769
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: Mimi Reader. He took her out for a walk in

1770
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: the woods and said romantic things to her and then

1771
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: asked her to kiss him, which is, you know, a

1772
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: pretty timeless move.

1773
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: That's a pretty classic date. I mean, to be fair,

1774
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 2: we're going we're going.

1775
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: From mom's grave.

1776
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: Mom's grave. Well, no, we're going from a from like

1777
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: a dinner where he's given a step.

1778
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: From fascist political meeting. Date one where he beats a

1779
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: dog at the end. Two, middle aged guy takes you

1780
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: on a ride in his Mercedes. Date three, Mom's grave. Yeah,

1781
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: it tells you to call him wolf wow. And then

1782
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 1: Date four walk in the woods, okay.

1783
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean the most normal of the dates so.

1784
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: Far is the walk in the woods.

1785
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1786
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: It's solid fourth date. It's a decent time to make

1787
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: that move if you're you know, she's sixteen, Jesus Hitler. Okay,

1788
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: so here's mamie quote. I could feel how he clenched

1789
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: his fists. I could see how he was fighting with himself,

1790
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: my child, I could squash you in my arms at

1791
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: this very moment, I did not resist any longer. His

1792
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: true self had come out.

1793
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1794
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what Hitler says in this first kiss,

1795
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: maybe his first kiss ever. Yeah, maybe not. Hitler told

1796
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: her that he wanted her to have his blonde Airyan babies,

1797
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: but wind that he didn't have the time right now,

1798
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: what with his mission to save Germany. How many times

1799
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: have you just told me? I mean, speaking as a man,

1800
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: we've all used that line. Oh yeah, I gotta save Germany, baby,

1801
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: I just can't help it. I just Germany.

1802
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna last thirty seconds a piece of

1803
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: shit like please, you've got the time now.

1804
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: Hitler promised to buy an apartment in Berlin for them once.

1805
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: You know, he was more successful with you know, He

1806
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: made promises about the kind of the furniture they'd buy

1807
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. He told her they'd be together forever,

1808
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: but then he left burkedis gotten and ignored her for months.

1809
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: This is the worst Springsteen song.

1810
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just ghosts her, Yeah, ghost her for a

1811
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: long time. When he returned to the mountains, finally he

1812
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: didn't visit her. Being a teenager, Mimi did not take

1813
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: this very well. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah.

1814
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: It's okay, buddy, if you're gonna we're gonna go here.

1815
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: Let's do this.

1816
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Let's do this. I mean, all sorts of pictures appeared

1817
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: in my mind, faces of other women and Hitler smiling

1818
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 1: at them. I did not want to go on living. Yeah,

1819
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: So she attempted suicide, trying to hang herself on a

1820
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: door handle with a clothesline.

1821
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 2: Damn, Memi.

1822
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she went for it. Her brother in law

1823
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: came in at the last minute and saved her. And

1824
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: according to Mimi, her brother in law had came to

1825
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: save her after he had gotten a message from Hitler

1826
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: that Hitler had just sent to him, explaining that he

1827
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: hadn't been seeing Mimi recently because he'd been black man

1828
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: by someone who'd sent a letter to the Nazi Party

1829
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: office claiming that Hitler was seducing underage girls. So basically

1830
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: months later, Hitler comes in and is like, uh, you know,

1831
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: somebody was talking about us, and I had to like

1832
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: go dark because it would have hurt the success of

1833
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: my political party. Yeah. If like we'd kept our thing up,

1834
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: so that's his.

1835
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: Excuse, the truth would have come out. Yeah, and oh

1836
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: so it's like he knows it's not supposed to be

1837
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: doing that.

1838
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: Yes, and this is not a lot of times when

1839
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: you talk about people dating teenagers whatever in the past.

1840
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: He was definitely more normal back then.

1841
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1842
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 1: Again, this was a political liability for a thirty seven

1843
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: year old. It wouldn't have been weird if he'd been

1844
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: twenty five and dating a sixteen year old, that would

1845
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: have been pretty normal for Austria in nineteen twenty six. Over

1846
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: twenty years, this is weird. Yeah, Yeah, what he's doing

1847
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: is weird and he knows it.

1848
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1849
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Mimi claims that she found out later that

1850
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: the letters you know, sent into the Nazi Party office

1851
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: were actually written by a woman who was close to

1852
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: Hitler and jealous of his relationship with Mimi. It was

1853
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 1: possibly this lady who was like his bodyguard slash chauffeur,

1854
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: who was like in love with him. He may have

1855
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 1: also fucked. We don't really know that much about that relationship.

1856
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: There's a lot of rumored relationships that we don't have

1857
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 1: confirmation of, but one thing that is confirmed is that

1858
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: the Nazis were unbelievably catty bitches. There was tons of drops,

1859
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: tons of blackmail within the Nazis. Oh yeah, gross, and

1860
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: they were all fucking with each other.

1861
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all fucking messy. Just a bunch of.

1862
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: Messy bitches, messy messy bitches. Yeah, yeah, that's the Nazis.

1863
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: So Mimi and Hitler drifted apart for a while. The

1864
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: whole relationship was a huge deal for her, but it

1865
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: seems to have been more of a bump on the

1866
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: road for Hitler. During this time, he repeatedly flirted with

1867
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: his best friend, Honstegele's wife, as well as Henrietta Hoffman,

1868
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: the daughter of his photographer and fiance of Balder von Shirock,

1869
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 1: one of his top Nazis. Hitler dated or at least

1870
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: made moves on, Jenny Howe, one of his drivers, and

1871
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: the bodyguard lady had talked about maybe the woman who

1872
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: sent the letter. It's hard to tell how true all

1873
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: the different rumors about women Hitler might have been with was,

1874
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: But it seems like by the mid twenties he's famous

1875
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: enough that like a lot of people are falling for

1876
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: his charms. Yeah, yeah, largely for his fame. To Ian

1877
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: Kershaw quote, None of his liaisons, it seems, had been

1878
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: more than superficial. No deep feelings were ever stirred. Women

1879
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,480
Speaker 1: were for Hitler a sport, an adornment in a men's world,

1880
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: whether in the men's home in Vienna, the regiment during

1881
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: the war, the Munich barracks until his discharge, and his

1882
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: regular gatherings of party cronies in Cafe Neumau or a

1883
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: cafe Heck in the nineteen twenties. Hitler's environment had always

1884
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: been overwhelmingly male. Very occasionally a woman would be admitted

1885
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: into our intimate circle recalled Heinrik Kaufman, but she never

1886
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: was allowed to become the center of it, and had

1887
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: to remain seen but not heard. She could occasionally take

1888
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: a small part in the conversation, but never was she

1889
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: allowed to hold forth or to contradict Hitler.

1890
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I love a silent wife.

1891
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Silent and dumb. That's the way Hitler likes him. A silent, sorry,

1892
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: quiet woman who's barely alive. God Hitler. Now. Hitler's next

1893
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: confirmed flame was with Gelly Raubel, his half niece. Oh, sick, sick,

1894
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: here we go. You can't stop a Hitler male from

1895
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: fucking his own niece. He cannot stay away from blood.

1896
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: It's the thing. What a two generations, the guys fucking.

1897
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: There's the same age when they start to So he

1898
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: met her when she was fourteen years old. Her father

1899
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: had died when she was young, and her mother worked

1900
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: as a housekeeper. They were poor. Hitler did wait until

1901
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,919
Speaker 1: she was sixteen. Oh well, what a gentleman, What a gentleman.

1902
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: And that's the age when Uncle Alf, as she called him,

1903
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: asked her and her mom to move to Munich and

1904
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: become his housekeepers. Now for them, it would have seemed

1905
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: like a real upgrade, because he was a very powerful

1906
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: man by this point. He set Gilly and Angela up

1907
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: in an apartment, and while her mom cleaned house, Hitler

1908
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: took his teenage niece out on the town. He found

1909
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: out she wanted to be a singer and r Kelly

1910
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: like started paying for music lessons and promising to make

1911
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: her famous. Yeah, like it's all tracks, it's all tracks.

1912
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: It's not just he was just one of these guys,

1913
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: he was all of them.

1914
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the prototype for I mean before him too,

1915
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: but it's like he really is just greatest hits all around.

1916
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 2: How many was he into?

1917
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: Jello? What's he was he druggon lady?

1918
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 2: Yes, you look super Innogella at any.

1919
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Point, yeah, I mean credit where it's due. That might

1920
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: be an area where Cosby innovated on Hitler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, although, yeah,

1921
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: there's some other crimes coming up hereself. Over the next

1922
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: year or so, Hitler fell increasingly in love with his

1923
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: teenage niece. This did not go over well with his

1924
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: inner circle. Han Stangle hated Gelly, calling her an empty

1925
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: headed slut with the coarse sort of bloom of a

1926
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: servant girl, which is some real sexist rich guys.

1927
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 2: Shit. Yeah, please blame the child that was brought here

1928
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 2: by the adult man in power.

1929
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, please please please. Yeah. Also, if he'd known Hitler's

1930
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: family history, he would have known servants were sort of

1931
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: the family thing.

1932
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how it works out for them.

1933
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: Weird that he and his dad both not only sleep

1934
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 1: with their nieces but both bring them in as like

1935
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: serving girls.

1936
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 2: How aware do you think Hitler was of that relationship.

1937
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, there's a lot of rumors that

1938
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 1: he was to an extent and he was trying to

1939
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: keep it from people.

1940
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: Because I'm just wondering if that's like him trying to

1941
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 2: like normalize how his parents got together in some way.

1942
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 2: Maybe he even was thinking that consciously.

1943
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm certain it wasn't conscious, but that may that may

1944
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: have been a factor, yes, and being like wanting to

1945
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: sort of be like, well, no, you know, if I'm

1946
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: like the biggest man in Germany and this is what

1947
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: I do, then it wasn't messed up how I grew up. Yeah, fine,

1948
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: and I don't have to think about it that much.

1949
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. No. My mother, aunt.

1950
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Wife, my mother aunt wife, cousin. Yeah, that's great. So

1951
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Putsy had to admit still that the infatuation his furre

1952
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: had with this teenage girl was pretty significant. He said

1953
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: that she quote had the effect of making him behave

1954
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: like a man in love. He hovered at her elbow

1955
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: in a very plausible imitation of adolescent infatuation, so Gilly

1956
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 1: wound up having an affair with Hitler's longtime show for

1957
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Emil Maurice forgave her but fired Maurice Ye. When a

1958
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: local Nazi party leader named munder Wind that Gelly was

1959
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: distracting Hitler from politics, Hitler fired munder Yeah. For a while,

1960
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: Gilly Rabble threatened to derail the coming of the Third Reich,

1961
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: and tie Hitler started canceling plans for speeches and meetings

1962
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: to take her on picnics. Now, Gelly's probably the single

1963
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: most controversial piece of Hitler's backstory. Off the top of

1964
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: my head, the only thing historians debate more vociferously about

1965
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 1: Hitler is whether or not he was like an active

1966
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: or passive participant in the Holocaust. Like, those are like

1967
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: two of the things that are most questioned about this guy.

1968
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1969
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: The relationship is, among other things, the origin of the

1970
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Hitler liked poop myth. So that's where we're going next.

1971
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, yeah, you know. It's just sometimes you

1972
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 2: think you're just gonna have a Friday, and here it.

1973
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: Is, and here it is, here it is. It does

1974
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: feel great. So in nineteen twenty nine, Hitler bought the

1975
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: gigantic apartment that he'd first promised Mimi Reader, but he

1976
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: was over her, so he moved his seventeen year old niece,

1977
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: and Glly's mother was sent off to Burkedis Goden to

1978
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: keep Hitler's holiday at home claim and to keep her

1979
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: away from Hitler and her daughter. So Gelly and Hitler

1980
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: lived in separate bedrooms but on the same floor. And

1981
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: now our main sources for this particular story about the

1982
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: relationship come from a journalist named Conrad Heyden and our

1983
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: old pal Honstangle. They also come from Gregor Strasser, a

1984
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 1: former Nazi who fell out with Hitler. So all these

1985
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: stories are from very anti Hitler people who have reason

1986
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: to exaggerate things, which is the way I bring that up.

1987
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just like that they've got a real

1988
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 2: like I love Lucy's set up in their house.

1989
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's very much that, but with poop.

1990
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: So Vanity Fair quotes all of these sources, and I'm

1991
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: going to read their kind of recollection of events, starting

1992
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: with Heiden quote, Hitler wrote the young girl a letter

1993
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: couched in the most unmistakable terms. It was a letter

1994
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: in which the uncle and lover gave himself completely away.

1995
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: It expressed feelings which could be expected from a man

1996
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: with masochistic copprofile inclinations, bordering on what Havelock Ellis calls undinism.

1997
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: The letter probably would have been repulsive to Gelly if

1998
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: she had received it, but she never did. Hitler left

1999
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: the letter lying around, and it fell into the hands

2000
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: of his landlady's son, a certain doctor Rudolph. The letter

2001
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: was bound to debase Hitler and make him ridiculous in

2002
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: the eyes of anyone who might see it. Hitler seems

2003
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: to have feared that it was Rudolph's intention to make

2004
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: it public. So co profile is obviously loving poop, and

2005
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: udinism is loving to be urinated on. So that's that's

2006
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: how this journalist sort of describes this mythical letter. Yeah,

2007
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 1: Hitler almost sends Gelly, but it gets intercepted, and then

2008
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: another Nazi is like threatening the blackmail Hitler with it.

2009
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 2: I see again, that's an intense letter. How many rough

2010
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 2: drafts you go do you go through?

2011
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: Before you were telling your niece you want to poop

2012
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: in her? Yeah? Or be pooped in by her?

2013
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2014
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, man, we'd have to ask John

2015
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: McAfee that so putsi. Honpstangle told a pretty similar story

2016
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: in his biography, but he claims that the pornographic content

2017
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: was different. Rather than a letter about his desire to

2018
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: be pooped in by Gelly, Honstangle claims that the thing

2019
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: that got intercepted was Hitler's nude sketches of his niece.

2020
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 1: He describes the drawings as depraved, intimate sketches of Gelly

2021
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 1: rabble with every anatomical detail, which could have meant that

2022
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: it was something we'd consider really weird to be on

2023
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: the pale, or could have meant that he was just

2024
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: drawing porn of a girl. He thought it was his girlfriend,

2025
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean s gross because she's his seventeen year old niece.

2026
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: But it might not have been a poo thing.

2027
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could just be like a nude photos or yeah,

2028
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:03,839
Speaker 2: new drawings.

2029
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: Now, the most direct story we have, or most direct

2030
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: evidence we have of the Hitler liked poop myth, comes

2031
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 1: from Otto Strasser. Now, Otto was a leading figure in

2032
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party for a while and then fell a

2033
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: foul of the party. His brother, who was also a Nazi,

2034
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: was murdered, and Otto became like a critic of the regime,

2035
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 1: and he wrote about this in a nineteen forty book

2036
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: that he published after he had fallen out with the party.

2037
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,879
Speaker 1: So again grain assault. Here otto Strasser claims that basically,

2038
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: after a period of excitement, Gilly got bored of being

2039
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Hitler's girlfriend, since Hitler believed he had to present an

2040
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: image of being available and married to Germany. Hitler's handler's

2041
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: like kind of thought that hitler sex appeal was a

2042
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: big part of Nazism's draw and if it was known

2043
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,560
Speaker 1: that he had a girlfriend, like women wouldn't vote for

2044
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: him and then he wouldn't be able to win election,

2045
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: which they may have been right about.

2046
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 2: There's something, I mean, there's something there, I guess, yeah.

2047
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. This was like pretty soon after

2048
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: women got the vote too, so like people were, I mean,

2049
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: people were sexist for a lotteries of thing.

2050
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 2: Got to vote for an available.

2051
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: Mass sexy Hitler and if she.

2052
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 2: Sees my ballad, I'll get to be missus Hitler. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

2053
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 2: missus Hitler.

2054
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So basically Strausser claimed that, like Gelly was really bored

2055
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: all the time, and it was like really frustrated and

2056
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: depressed at not being able to go out with her boyfriend,

2057
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 1: and finally Hitler like allowed him Strasser to take Gelly

2058
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: out to a Marty Gral party because he was like, Okay,

2059
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: I'll let you do something, but I can't go with

2060
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 1: you because it'll look bad, So you go with my friend.

2061
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2062
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: So. Strausser claims that during this party, they were sitting

2063
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: down at a table and talking and she opened up

2064
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 1: to him with a very emotional horror story. Quote from Strausser.

2065
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: Hitler made her undress while he would lie out on

2066
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 1: the floor. Then she would have to squat down over

2067
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: his face where he could examine her at close range,

2068
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 1: and this made him very excited. When the excitement reached

2069
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: its peak, he demanded that she urinate on him, and

2070
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: that gave him his sexual pleasure. Gilly said the whole

2071
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: performance was extremely disgusting to her, and although it was

2072
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:57,799
Speaker 1: sexually stimulating, it gave her no gratification. So cool, Cool,

2073
01:34:57,920 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: what a party, What a party?

2074
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 2: The German party? Pties man? Yeah?

2075
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again Strasser hated Hitler by that point and

2076
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 1: may have just been trying to slander his name. Other

2077
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: reports of Gelly and Hitler's relationship say that it was

2078
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: about as normal as a sexual liaison between a niece

2079
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: and her uncle could be. We don't know what they

2080
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: got up to. What we do know is that in

2081
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty one, at the cusp of Hitler reaching power,

2082
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: Mimi Reader came back into his life. Oh, this is

2083
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: while he's living with Gelly.

2084
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 2: She's like a legal age at this time and not

2085
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 2: even related to him.

2086
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like eighteen now wow, yeah, okay, So while

2087
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: Hitler's living with and banging his niece, Mimi Reader comes

2088
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: into town. She'd married a guy in the intervening years,

2089
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: but dumped him, you know, a little bit in and

2090
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 1: basically traveled to Munich for a Hitler booty call. So

2091
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: this is her version of events as described by the

2092
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 1: book Explaining Hitler. She quote calls Hitler's adjutant, Julia Shaub,

2093
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 1: informed that Mimi is in town. Hitler tells Shaub bring

2094
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: her over. Mimi places the episode that follows in the

2095
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen thirty one, when Hitler was living in

2096
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: his big new apartment with Gilly Rabble. Now, Mimi claims

2097
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: that during this visit, I let everything happen, So they

2098
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: had sex. This is like one of the first confirmations

2099
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: we have, and she doesn't give us a lot of

2100
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: detail about this. We know that Hitler has a booty

2101
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: call with Mimi in early summer or whatever nineteen thirty one,

2102
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: and then not a whole long while later, maybe just

2103
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, maybe a few days, Kelly Rabble

2104
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: commits suicide. No yeahikes. Now. There are a number of

2105
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: theories as to why. One says she was jealous that

2106
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Hitler had slept with Mimi, and being nineteen at the time,

2107
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 1: took the most dramatic revenge she could imagine. Another theory

2108
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: says she started an affair with a Jewish dance teacher

2109
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 1: in Vienna and was about to leave Hitler, and so

2110
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 1: he had her murdered. Some of the versions say that

2111
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: he murdered her himself. Yet another variant is that she

2112
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: wanted to leave for Vienna because she was just bored,

2113
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: but Hilly refused to let her go, and she killed

2114
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: herself in protest, because again, she was nineteen. Either way,

2115
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: one detail is consistent across all these stories. Kelly Rabble

2116
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 1: entered Hitler's room, found his six point five millimeter Mouser handgun,

2117
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: and shot herself dead through the chest. Wow, which again

2118
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: is part of why people think it might have been

2119
01:36:58,479 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: a murder because she shot herself off.

2120
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: That's a hard shot to take.

2121
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,759
Speaker 1: But it's also not uncommon for women who commit suicide

2122
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 1: with guns to avoid shooting themselves in the head.

2123
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Interesting.

2124
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so huh, nobody knows. This is debated to

2125
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 1: this day. There are people right now who are trying

2126
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: to have her body exhumed in order to like to

2127
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: and like think that they found out. Like it's a

2128
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: big controversy and stuff. Still, we don't really know what happened. Yeah,

2129
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: it was a massive scandal at the time. People thought

2130
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: it was going to derail Hitler's political career, right on

2131
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: the cusp of Rice into power. The Nazi Party immediately

2132
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: responded with like basically claiming that she'd killed herself because

2133
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: she was nervous over an upcoming music recital. Yeah, the

2134
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: body was taken away courtesy of the Bavarian Minister of Justice,

2135
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: who was a Nazi sympathizer. Her death was declared a

2136
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: suicide after a quick inquest. It was all clearly shushed

2137
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 1: up by the Nazis in the government, and like the

2138
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: fact that law enforcement was fans with the Nazis. The

2139
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,799
Speaker 1: whole story is it's really hard to like grasp exactly

2140
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: what happened here. There's certainly a good chance she was murdered,

2141
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: but there's at least an equally good chance that she

2142
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: was just driven to suicide by her relationship with Hitler.

2143
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,759
Speaker 2: Well, and she'd also been like so isolated at this point,

2144
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 2: like your whole world is this guy, and it doesn't

2145
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 2: let you leave anywhere.

2146
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I can see learning about him

2147
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: screwing Mimi when she's living with him could have made

2148
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 1: her commit suicide. I can see how she might not

2149
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 1: have known that at all and just been fed up

2150
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: by it.

2151
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

2152
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, driving women to suicide, along with flirting via

2153
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: whip was sort of Hitler's thing. Robert Waite, a psychologist,

2154
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: wrote a psychoanalytical biography of Hitler titled The Psychopathic God. Now,

2155
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 1: wait is like the first guy who got Langer's oss

2156
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: report to classified, and he's definitely a member of the

2157
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Hitler was into weird shit sexually camp. So a lot

2158
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: of his conclusions are really debatable, but he makes a

2159
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: decent case to suggest that Hitler was doing something fucked

2160
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: up to the girls he liked. Quote the idea that

2161
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Hitler had a sexual perversion particularly abhorrent to women is

2162
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: further supported by a statistic. Of the seven women who

2163
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: we can be reasonably sure had intimate relations with Hitler,

2164
01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: six committed suicide are seriously attempted. So damn, oh so

2165
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: something something, something fucked up?

2166
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 2: God damn. Yeah, he's up in some bad business.

2167
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be kinky sex. Even more likely, maybe

2168
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: that he's just really emotionally abusive being Hitler.

2169
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, something about you know, he doesn't seem

2170
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:19,839
Speaker 2: like a supportive boyfriend.

2171
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: Does not seem like a supportive boyfriend.

2172
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, this is a he's yeah, he's

2173
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 2: weaving some bullshit in your ears.

2174
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: Suicide is the single biggest through line, rather than poop,

2175
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: of Hitler's sex life.

2176
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2177
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: Ava Brown, who was Hitler's wife eventually, who Hitler met

2178
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty nine while she was seventeen years old

2179
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,799
Speaker 1: and he was in his forties, attempted suicide in nineteen

2180
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: thirty two and again in nineteen thirty five, and then

2181
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: obviously committed suicide with him in nineteen forty five. Yeah,

2182
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: there were two attempts before that point.

2183
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Wow, while they were still together.

2184
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, well, well ish, we'll see we'll talk about that. Yeah.

2185
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Frau Inga Leh, another possible Hitler lover, successfully committed suicide.

2186
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: So did Renat Muller and Susie Liptauer. We don't know

2187
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: a lot about most of these relationships. Gelly, Mimi, and

2188
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Eva are the only women we get a lot of

2189
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: detail about, and Mimi is the only lover who survived

2190
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 1: fucking Hitler long enough to give a detailed interview. It

2191
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: turns out that being in love with the leader of

2192
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 1: the German Reich was even more dangerous than fighting in Stalingrad.

2193
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about why that may have been

2194
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: and about some of the things that we do know

2195
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 1: about his sex life from some of these women the

2196
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 1: other details. But first is an ad transition.

2197
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do some ads.

2198
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,679
Speaker 1: Let's do some ads. Don't think about Hitler's sweaty balls. Well,

2199
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: you think about these products. Damn it, that's a really

2200
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: bad ad pivot. I'm glad Sophie's not here. She's gonna

2201
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: be really pissed at that products.

2202
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 2: We're back, all right, Okay, what a nice break from

2203
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: thinking about his shitty sweaty balls.

2204
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 1: He shitty sweaty balls or ball or ball who knows

2205
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: who knows well? As doctor said, not but okay, I

2206
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a good song. So one of the

2207
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: women who committed suicide and is believed to have been

2208
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 1: a lover of Hitler was a Renaatee Muller. She was

2209
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: an actress, and she got to tell a little bit

2210
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: of her story before leaping out of a window and

2211
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,600
Speaker 1: falling to her death in nineteen thirty seven. Damn yeah,

2212
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: so I'll quote Vanity Fair. These stories came from the

2213
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: guy who was her director, so we don't have heard

2214
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 1: directly being quoted on this. A guy who worked with

2215
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: her later told the OSS about like what had gone

2216
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: down between them? Quote her director. One A. Zeisler later

2217
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: told the OSS that she had confided in him shortly

2218
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: after spending a night with Hitler in the Reich's Chancellery,

2219
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: how distress she was that the nature of the sexual

2220
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 1: practices Hitler demanded of her, of which, to her mortification,

2221
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: she complied. She claimed Hitler fell on the floor and

2222
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 1: begged her to kick him, condemned himself as unworthy, and

2223
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: just groveled in an agonizing manner. The scene became intolerable

2224
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: to her, and finally she acceded to his wishes. As

2225
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,879
Speaker 1: she continued to kick him, he became more and more excited.

2226
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 1: So that's a really different one. That's like Hitler liked

2227
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: being and that's to me more belie than some of

2228
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: the like a lot of powerful men they want to

2229
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: be talking about sex workers like that's what these guys

2230
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: go in for.

2231
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like they want to be they want

2232
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 2: to be the sub.

2233
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't have any trouble imagining Hitler wanting a woman

2234
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: to just kick him a bunch. No, he like masturbates

2235
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 1: on the floor. That's yeah, Yeah, that's that kind of

2236
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: sounds like the Hitler we know. Yeah, No, that's that.

2237
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 2: That definitely sounds way more because it's like there's a

2238
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 2: lot of self hate going on, so it's like being

2239
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 2: able to actually like exercise that party yourself.

2240
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems for sure. Yeah, I can see how

2241
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:29,839
Speaker 1: that happened.

2242
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that also just makes a lot of sense

2243
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 2: with like it would be very difficult to reconcile those

2244
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 2: two things if you were a woman that like knew

2245
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 2: that versus the image of the world that yeah Hitler,

2246
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 2: that you knew, So that would be. I mean, I

2247
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 2: can see how that would help with the suicide, or.

2248
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: It's it's there's also a lot of people who suspect

2249
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: that she did not commit suicide, that she was murdered

2250
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 1: because she knew about Hitler's sexual preferences, because she was

2251
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: kind of you know, dropped out a window in nineteen

2252
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: five thirty seven, might have been thrown. Yeah, we'll never know.

2253
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: This whole state was controlled by the Nazis by that point,

2254
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: so you're not getting a good in quest or anything.

2255
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, how many of these women, Like, was

2256
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: it actually suicide versus murder?

2257
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's that every nobody knows. With Gelly either, Like,

2258
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: it's possible they were all murdered and none of them

2259
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: killed themselves. A man with Hitler, I don't have trouble believing,

2260
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: like Eva Brown definitely tried to kill herself beforehand. So

2261
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: I also I suspect it's a mix. I suspect one

2262
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 1: or two of these women were murdered. Yeah, some of

2263
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,600
Speaker 1: them committed suicide. Whatever the case, being with Hitler is

2264
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 1: not great for her long term SERVI what good again?

2265
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: Mimi Readers the only one we get along, which you know,

2266
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: she's kind of Hitler is the romance character in her

2267
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: recollection of things, but like she lived through it. Yeah,

2268
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 1: if that seems to be pretty hard, Yeah, damn really

2269
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:51,839
Speaker 1: dodged a bullet there. Bullet Eva Brown did not dodge.

2270
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 2: Now.

2271
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: I think people who focus too much on the possibility

2272
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: of sexual deviance and Hitler kind of might have some

2273
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: kind of bad intentions under the surface. I feel like

2274
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: focusing on that on like the weird sex aspect of things, yeah,

2275
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 1: is a way to make him seem less scary. Like

2276
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: calling him a sexual serial killer. Oh h actually makes

2277
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 1: him less scary because if Hitler's like a serial killer

2278
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 1: doing all of these things because he's just Jeffrey Dahmer

2279
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,679
Speaker 1: in charge of a nation, or if he'n some poop

2280
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,719
Speaker 1: fiending sex monster, then he's not a normal human being

2281
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 1: like all of us.

2282
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, And it's also like that's also demonizing

2283
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 2: those sexual practices where it's like, you know, your king's

2284
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 2: to your kinks as long as they're consensual, there's something

2285
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 2: the matter with them.

2286
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: Whether or not Hitler was poopin in people's mouths, A

2287
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: lot of people who didn't become Hitler were pooping in

2288
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: each other's mouth. Yes, and it's fine.

2289
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:35,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2290
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Martin Amos, best selling English author, is very

2291
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 1: much a proponent of the weird sex view of Hitler.

2292
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 1: He was behind one of these recent waves of Hitler

2293
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: kink's stories, one that hit back in twenty fourteen because

2294
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,759
Speaker 1: during a speech he started making claims that he believed.

2295
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: He basically claimed that this was a typical sexual encounter

2296
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 1: in the life of Adolf Hitler. Quote, he would fortify

2297
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: his underpants with clean serviettes and napkins, and then he

2298
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,719
Speaker 1: would go into some sort of excitation with Ava Brown,

2299
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: staying at a safe distance. So Amos believes that, and

2300
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote from an article about him. There

2301
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: are three schools of thought when it comes to Hitler's sexuality.

2302
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: One is normality, which Amos says that he can be

2303
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,759
Speaker 1: immediately thrown out because it is impossible to see Hitler

2304
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 1: as a considerate and energetic lover. The next one is

2305
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: a sexuality, and the third ist perversion. Now, this belief

2306
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: is in line with what spurned Nazis like han Stangle

2307
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: and Strasser claim, and is also in line with the

2308
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: Languer report, but very much out of line with the

2309
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: recollections of Mimi Reader, who probably did fuck him, and

2310
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 1: says that he was pretty normal outside, like he was

2311
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: a weird guy, but like in terms of the way

2312
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: he fucked nothing that crazy. Yeah, yeah, Hitler Sixter Paula

2313
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: does believe Mimi Reader was like the love of Hitler's life,

2314
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 1: and a lot of other people will say that Gelly

2315
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: was the love of his life. It's impossible to know.

2316
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: Maybe he never cared that much about any of them.

2317
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's actually capable of love.

2318
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: That's a great question. In one of the reasons that,

2319
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: like Herman Gerring is one of the people who's like

2320
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: he was different after Gelly, Like a lot of people

2321
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: who wound up in trial after World War Two were

2322
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: the biggest proponent of the Hitler totally changed after his

2323
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 1: niece killed herself. And there's some suspicion among historians that like, well,

2324
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: you're just trying to like make it seem make yourself

2325
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: seem less complicit, and that like, no, when I got

2326
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 1: involved with this guy, he was a normal dude and

2327
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: then he went crazy, and I, you know it wasn't

2328
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 1: I I did, you know? It was out of my hands.

2329
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,679
Speaker 2: Also, what a way to blame it on the woman.

2330
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, the the somersaults that people will pull to

2331
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: blame everything on a woman.

2332
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:30,440
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

2333
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

2334
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: And it comes down to like the ultimate example of

2335
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: that is not to throw a shade on Simon Wisenthal

2336
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:38,480
Speaker 1: because he's a hero, but like the Hitler got syphilis

2337
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,640
Speaker 1: from a Jewish prostitute, it's like both blame it on

2338
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: a Jewish person and on a woman.

2339
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 2: There we go, yeah, oh cool, that just a what

2340
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 2: a neat little bottle bow. We wrapped that up in

2341
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: He couldn't help it.

2342
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this like the attitude that Hitler was just

2343
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 1: like sort of irredeemably weird and couldn't possibly have attracted

2344
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: a woman naturally, there was always strange. It's not only

2345
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: out of line with what, like Mimi Reader reported, it's

2346
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 1: out of line with what his friends who didn't go

2347
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: on trial for war crimes reported from this stage of

2348
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: his life. I found an interview in Time with a

2349
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: Carl Wilhelm Kraus, who worked as Hitler's valet for five

2350
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,640
Speaker 1: years from thirty four to thirty nine. They were like

2351
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: friendly and here's what Kraus reported. Quote. What I can

2352
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: state here is that Hitler certainly did not hate women.

2353
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 1: Proof of this are the many actresses who were invited

2354
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,440
Speaker 1: along during the early years to afternoon and evening performances.

2355
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 1: Often during our travels, he would suddenly be totally enchanted, exclaiming,

2356
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: My God, isn't that a beautiful girl? He then turned around,

2357
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: making me, who was behind him, moved to the side

2358
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 1: so that he had an unrestricted view behind him and

2359
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: could follow the lady with his gaze. If in any

2360
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 1: given place an exceptionally beautiful woman would catch his eye,

2361
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Bruckner more often than not had to find out her address.

2362
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: After that, the lady was invited for coffee, either to

2363
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: Munich Berlin or the ober Saltzburg, just so Hitler could

2364
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: have a chat with her. That sounds like normal famous

2365
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: guy famous. That sounds like fucking any rich famous guy

2366
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: in la seeing a girl who thinks he's cute and

2367
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: having someone from his entourage go down there.

2368
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's classic.

2369
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: Sounds like normal famous dude behavior. Ye. John Tolan talked

2370
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: to Emil Maurice, Hitler's long time chauffeur, and uh, this

2371
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: is the guy who made love to Gelly and then

2372
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 1: got fired. But he and Hitler were close for a

2373
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 1: long time, and despite being exiled by Hitler for fucking

2374
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: his niece, Emil Maurice gave a pretty reasonable appraisal of

2375
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 1: his old boss's sex life, quote, we chased girls together

2376
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 1: and I used to follow him like a shadow. The

2377
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,600
Speaker 1: two would spend time at the art academy and an

2378
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 1: artist's studios, admiring models posing in the nude. Calling himself

2379
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: heir Wolf, Hitler would occasionally pass an evening with Maurice

2380
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 1: roaming the night spots and streets for girls. Since the

2381
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 1: latter was attractive to women, he would act as a

2382
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 1: go between every so often. According to Maurice, Hitler would

2383
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: entertain one of these conquests by proxy in his little room.

2384
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,560
Speaker 1: He always offered flowers, even when he was penniless, and

2385
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 1: we used to go out and admire the ballet dancers.

2386
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 1: Sounds again normal, No, that's yeah, it's all as his

2387
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: hot friend wingman.

2388
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 2: For him, Like, yeah, that's all standard.

2389
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah again, these are like that, and this is a

2390
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: guy you'd expect. Emil Maurice would have bad shit to

2391
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: say about Hitler, but like, there's nothing about that. I

2392
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: don't believe that's sounds like a million guys.

2393
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's nothing. Ultimately, there's nothing special about

2394
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,480
Speaker 2: Hitler whatsoever. Like it's like there's.

2395
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 1: That's the conclusion you're drawn to. Now. The last destination

2396
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 1: on our tour to Hitler's love life is, of course,

2397
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 1: his relationship with Eva Brown or Braun. Eva was, as

2398
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: I stated, seventeen when they met. She had been educated

2399
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 1: in a convent like Mimi Reader and worked at Heinrich Hoffman,

2400
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 1: his photographer's shop. You know, she was working there when

2401
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Hitler met her in nineteen twenty nine. Now, this is

2402
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: during the same year that Gelly and Hitler were supposedly

2403
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: in the midst of the greatest romance of his life.

2404
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 1: So they were living together in a relationship at this

2405
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: point when he meets and invites Eva Brown out to

2406
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 1: the opera, he probably started fucking her on the side

2407
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 1: while he was still with his niece, and then at

2408
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: one point fooling around with Mimi. So there's a point

2409
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 1: in time when Hitler's like fooling around with three ladies,

2410
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 1: one of whom lives with him. Yeah, and not telling

2411
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 1: any of them about this.

2412
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 2: I mean that's also standard standard rich guy. Yeah, that's

2413
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 2: standard rich Yeah, exactly.

2414
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 1: None of this is weird.

2415
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you're in the like you're you're in the

2416
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 2: power that you've craved for so long, so you're going to.

2417
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 1: Like, you know, fuck a bunch of ladies.

2418
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2419
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 1: And like the the Eva Brown's two suicide attempts, one

2420
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: of them coincides with like when Mimi would have come over,

2421
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 1: and when like Gelly would have killed herself, and one

2422
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: of them coincides with another potential person that we think

2423
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 1: Hitler might have been fucking around with. So it's very

2424
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: possible that Eva Brown's early suicide attempts in thirty two

2425
01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 1: and thirty five were because she was a teenager hooking

2426
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 1: up in an angry man in his forties who played

2427
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 1: mind games with her and fucked around on the.

2428
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 2: Sly Yeah no, I mean not all about that.

2429
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: Tracks tracks so much better than Sexual serial Killer. Yeah

2430
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Now, Eva Brown makes is someone who I'd

2431
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: never really had made sense to me as a historical

2432
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: character before, But she makes so much sense if you

2433
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: think of her as a sensitive, artistic young woman dating

2434
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 1: a really really abusive dude that she's in love with.

2435
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: Eric Kempa, another Hitler chauffeur, called her the unhappiest woman

2436
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:55,960
Speaker 1: in Germany. I really like Eva Brown as portrayed by

2437
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,599
Speaker 1: the offer Jane Tyne. Now. Jane is a romance writer,

2438
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 1: mostly romantic historic fiction from what I can tell, but

2439
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: she's also written some serious historic essays, and the one

2440
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 1: of hers that I read was pretty good. I like

2441
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,759
Speaker 1: the way she presents Eva because, as a general rule,

2442
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,440
Speaker 1: brilliant as they are, most of the great Hitler biographers

2443
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: are male and kind at getting into Ava Brown's head

2444
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: even a little bit. So I'm going to read a

2445
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: quote from Jane kind of describing Ava Brown a little

2446
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: differently than I'd heard her describe before. Quote from Eva's letters.

2447
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: We learned that her parents disapproved and that Hitler would

2448
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,879
Speaker 1: frequently ignore her in public, merely passing her an envelope

2449
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 1: of money, until at the end of the evening, when

2450
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:32,520
Speaker 1: she was finally allotted a room in the Berlin Chancellery.

2451
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,679
Speaker 1: She was forced to use a back entrance in case

2452
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 1: anyone saw her. Hitler and his henchmen tried their hardest

2453
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: to keep Ava out of the spotlight and forbade any

2454
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 1: picture of her to be published, because they were keen

2455
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: to project the idea that he was married to Germany,

2456
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: yet Ava herself ensured the opposite for posterity. She was

2457
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 1: an early adopter of Senafilm and made endless home movies. Today,

2458
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: she would have been constantly on Facebook, instagramming her meals

2459
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 1: and taking selfies at the Berghoff. One of her more

2460
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 1: astonishing ambitions was to star one day in a biopic

2461
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 1: of her life with the man he always called Wolf.

2462
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, she's yeah, sounds like a pretty normal teenager, Yeah,

2463
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 1: dating a famous guy.

2464
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:07,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2465
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: I also like what Jane has to say about the

2466
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: Hitler is weird at sex myths because I think what

2467
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 1: she says rings true with an awful lot of the

2468
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 1: other research I've read quote it is impossible to peer

2469
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:20,759
Speaker 1: behind the bedroom door. But suggestions that Hitler was sexually

2470
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: avoid because of his obsession with hygiene is contradicted by

2471
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: observers of the time, who suggest that Hitler and Ava

2472
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 1: did share a bed as a couple. They had interconnecting

2473
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 1: bedrooms at the Berghoff, and Hitler's ballet heinz Ling attests

2474
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 1: that they would go to bed together, while Hitler's maid

2475
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: Pauline Kohler wrote that Hitler is not strongly sexed Ava

2476
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: Brown's correspondence reveals nothing unusual, certainly not on the lines

2477
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: of fully clothed sex, except that once war had broken out,

2478
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 1: Hitler was unable to get interested. She used to show

2479
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: her friends a nineteen thirty eight photograph of Neville Chamberlain

2480
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 1: on a sofa in Hitler's Munich flat, saying, if only

2481
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 1: he knew what goings on that sofa has seen like

2482
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 1: we fucked on the sofa, and then the Prime Minister

2483
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: of England said on that ha ha, like a normal teenager.

2484
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, yeah yeah.

2485
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 1: So if you're still on the fence, if you're still

2486
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 1: on team Hitler was a kind of demonic sexual force

2487
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: rather than just a gross shitty dude who wound up

2488
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 1: in power through cunning and luck and the cowardice of

2489
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 1: arrogant men. Well, I'd like to read one more Hitler story, Okay,

2490
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: Mimi Reader came back to Hitler after their nineteen thirty

2491
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 1: one liaison. This was in nineteen thirty four, when Hitler

2492
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 1: was in power. Gilly had been dead for three years,

2493
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: her room had been turned into a shrine, and Hitler

2494
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: was unofficially with Ava Brown. Now Ava doesn't live with

2495
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: him at this point, because of course he's got to

2496
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: appear married to Germany. That old is that old ball

2497
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: and Germany. This gave der Feury the ability to invite

2498
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 1: Mimi in when she knocked on his door. I'm going

2499
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: to quote from explaining Hitler's write up of Mimi's recollections. Quote,

2500
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 1: once again, the relationship came to life. Once again. He

2501
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 1: asked her to stay with him as his lover. She

2502
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 1: insists she will not be part of an illicit relationship.

2503
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 1: She wanted to be married and to have children. Suddenly

2504
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 1: Hitler had a fit of rage. She shouted, why do

2505
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 1: you women only think of how having children? He kept shouting.

2506
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 1: It was around three am that he could not take

2507
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: care of a woman. He shouted that he had a

2508
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: big mission to fulfill. They argued for two more hours

2509
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: than they departed, never to see each other again.

2510
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,879
Speaker 2: Whoo, yeah, dodged several bullets, Mimi.

2511
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: You really did. And yeah, it's also.

2512
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 2: So crazy because it's like, Okay, you're going after women

2513
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 2: that are raised in convents, motherfucker, Like the only purpose

2514
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 2: for sex in the Catholic Church is procreation. Yeah, and

2515
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:31,960
Speaker 2: then you're mad at them, like you're taught all the

2516
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 2: same shit.

2517
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, I think what like maybe Hitler was

2518
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 1: in the poop and pee and maybe he liked sex

2519
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: with clothes on. Maybe not. At the end of the day,

2520
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: the overwhelming picture I'm left with of Hitler is that

2521
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 1: he was the same Like every woman has dated a

2522
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 1: shitty guy. Oh, just like Hitler. They just didn't wind

2523
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 1: up in charge of the country.

2524
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He's like a selfish, fucking idiot dude that

2525
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 2: needs to go to therapy.

2526
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 1: He's selfish. He's famous, and he's gonna take as much

2527
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 1: advantage of that as he can.

2528
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2529
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 1: He's a habitual liar because he's fucking Hitler. Yeah, and

2530
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: he's emotionally abusive and he screams when he doesn't get

2531
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 1: his way. Yeah, Like yeah, he's a gaslighting piece of shit.

2532
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a Yeah, Hitler turns out piece of shit.

2533
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: Hitler turns out piece of shit, but not like, of

2534
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: course he's a bad person, but he's not. Like what's

2535
01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: scarier to me about this is that, like there's nothing

2536
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: special about him.

2537
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just classic piece of shit.

2538
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: It's just a normal piece of shit.

2539
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nothing out of the ordinary.

2540
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 1: And that means like the good thing that means is

2541
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: that like we we as human beings, will never deal

2542
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: with supernatural evil settling down upon the world and forcing

2543
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 1: a nightmare regime on us. Yeah, but it also means

2544
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 1: that there's millions of guys like this walking around, who

2545
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 1: if they ever got into power. Yeah, this is that

2546
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 1: kind of potential.

2547
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh exactly, this is the this is the blueprint for

2548
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 2: those kind of guys.

2549
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that's why when you look at the

2550
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: fucking evolution of in cell culture on the Internet, they're

2551
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 1: really in the Nazis, yeah they and they're really into

2552
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 1: Isis too. They love them both. No, yeah, they love

2553
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:15,880
Speaker 1: the murder and the hatred and like the ability to

2554
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 1: do violence on like a world you feel is wrong

2555
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: to you. And yeah, they all have issues with women,

2556
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: and none of them fuck yeah, and.

2557
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 2: None of them like ask why a woman might not

2558
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 2: be into them immediately.

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01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 1: They all have that reaction when like a buddy's like,

2560
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 1: maybe just learn to dance or whatever.

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01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 2: You learn to dance to dance.

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01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 1: That's the fucking hitler. I want people to like think

2563
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: about when they imagine what kind of man could do

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01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: the things he did, The kind of guy whose friend

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01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 1: is like, well, maybe learn to dance and that girl

2566
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:47,080
Speaker 1: who likes dancing will be interested in you. And he

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01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 1: just starts screaming, Yeah, like there's if I could improve.

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01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I'm already a perfect being.

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01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: I am a perfect being me fourteen year old Horny

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01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: Hitler is Oh god, yeah no, that's Hitler. Yeah, I mean,

2571
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:01,720
Speaker 1: fucking Hitler.

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01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 2: He's the worst. I mean, but he's not, is.

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01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 1: The thing exactly?

2574
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not. He's like he's perfectly average.

2575
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's a perfectly average, shitty person who wound

2576
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: up in a position of power and did the kind

2577
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: of things that like, comparing him to a serial killer

2578
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 1: is wrong. Comparing him to one of these in cel

2579
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: kids who goes on a mass shooting rampage or drives

2580
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: a van into a sorority house or whatever to kill.

2581
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 1: That's who to compare him to.

2582
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's much more accurate.

2583
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And he I think that that is

2584
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 1: one way to look at sort of the Holocaust, is

2585
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 1: that like it was a reaction of like anger at

2586
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: not winning this war and wanting to do as much

2587
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 1: damage as you could. And there's like an attitude of

2588
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 1: that about like the destruction of Berlin, that like the

2589
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 1: reason he didn't pull out of Berlin, or the reason

2590
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: he didn't surrender and just shoot himself that way and

2591
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 1: spare the city and people is he was like, no,

2592
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 1: if we're going to lose, all of us are going

2593
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 1: to die.

2594
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck Germany, taken everybody with me. You didn't play hard.

2595
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 1: Enough for me exactly. Like that was literally like some

2596
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 1: of the shit he was saying is that, like, if

2597
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 1: Germany doesn't win, we deserve to be destroyed. Like he's

2598
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,040
Speaker 1: just a shitty, angry, little prick with a temper who

2599
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 1: you know if if I mean fuck it man like

2600
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,440
Speaker 1: to get really dark on you. Maybe in a society

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01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,080
Speaker 1: where young men like that go on mass shooting sprees,

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01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: they're less likely to become hitler. Like I don't know

2603
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: if that's like good or whatever, but like doesn't have

2604
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: that option and just becomes hitler. Like we're in dark

2605
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,600
Speaker 1: territory here. But I do think he's that kind of guy. Yeah.

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01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 2: Well, and it's also like it's being raised to think

2607
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 2: that you were special and then having the having that lie. Yeah,

2608
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 2: because nobody's special.

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01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Nobody's special. There's a lot of people out there hndler.

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01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:42,760
Speaker 2: Well, and like that's That's the big thing about some

2611
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 2: of these in cel guys is like they're raised to

2612
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 2: think that they are like the princes of their own

2613
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 2: little kingdom.

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01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 1: Lot of Mama's boys, a lot of Mama's boy Bruce

2615
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:52,440
Speaker 1: V that pick up artists guy living in his mom's

2616
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 1: basement talking about how the Jews are behind everything, like

2617
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:57,960
Speaker 1: it just keeps happening.

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01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:01,040
Speaker 2: Well, and then they're mad at they desperately need a woman,

2619
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 2: but they're mad at a woman because they think a

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01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,280
Speaker 2: woman sees them as weak, because they need them to

2621
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 2: feel special.

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01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that like a relationship would have given

2623
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 1: take and that you both have things to teach each other. Yeah,

2624
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't want to be taught anything.

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01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, he just wants pure allegiance.

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01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why he goes after sixteen year olds. Yeah,

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01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 1: probably why his dad went after sixteen year olds. Absolutely repeatedly.

2628
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a power trip.

2629
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: It's a power trip.

2630
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want an equal of any.

2631
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 1: Kind, no fucking ca that's terrifying.

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01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah uh yeah yeah no, just a real piece shit.

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01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 1: So if you've ever wondered what happens if you give

2634
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 1: one of those in cells on Reddit the most powerful

2635
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 1: military force in continental Europe. It was World War Two. Yeah,

2636
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 1: that's what happens.

2637
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly, they'll just keep pushing.

2638
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Boy Hattie Hitler.

2639
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so teach your sons to dance.

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01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 1: Teach your sons to dance. And that's the only thing

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01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: we've learned today. Yes, teach your sons to dance.

2642
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:03,560
Speaker 2: You can dance if you want to.

2643
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Make make sure if you vote for someone, they

2644
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: don't date teenagers at the very least, at the very least,

2645
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 1: at the very least.

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02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm not dating teenagers.

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02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Because that's how you get Hitler's. Yeah, that's how you

2648
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 1: get Hitler's. Don't let them fuck their niece.

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02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2651
02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 2: Can you make eye contact with a woman of your

2652
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,680
Speaker 2: age without being filled with rage?

2653
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Are you Are you capable of, like having

2654
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:32,680
Speaker 1: a conversation with a woman without screaming?

2655
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:34,080
Speaker 2: Like, yeah exactly.

2656
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:36,280
Speaker 1: So it's also are you capable of like seeing your

2657
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:38,920
Speaker 1: dog misbehave without beating it and choking it and scaring

2658
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 1: a teenager?

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02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:40,280
Speaker 2: Yep?

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02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 1: Pitler, God just.

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02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:47,840
Speaker 2: Kind of Metho's his German shepherd didn't finish the job early.

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02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean it was a goat that supposedly

2663
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:50,800
Speaker 1: bit off his dick.

2664
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:52,360
Speaker 2: I wish that goat just.

2665
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:54,360
Speaker 1: Hitler.

2666
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly chew that tin can up.

2667
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,640
Speaker 1: How different the world would be if just had like

2668
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 1: a weird did you know that back in like the

2669
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:06,840
Speaker 1: nineteen oh nine a goat ate a boy.

2670
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 2: What if like in the future, the only animals that

2671
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:12,040
Speaker 2: can time travel or goats. So we did try to

2672
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 2: kill Hitler, Yeah, but he only bit his dick.

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02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:16,440
Speaker 1: The goat only just just got part of his dick.

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02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 2: It was, Yeah, and we actually just really made it

2675
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:20,760
Speaker 2: worse than it was in the first place.

2676
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been fine. Otherwise he would have

2677
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:25,400
Speaker 1: just went on to become a i don't know, like

2678
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:26,920
Speaker 1: a like a sub and a dungeon.

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02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the thing Hitler might have been

2681
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:33,160
Speaker 1: happy with. Yeah, I've really gotten in touch with his demons.

2682
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. He just wanted to be whipped. That's

2683
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 2: why he carried a whip with him everywhere.

2684
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, somebody whipped me. Admitting that takes some courage

2685
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:40,240
Speaker 1: though it does.

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02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 2: It does, I mean it still does in twenty nineteen.

2687
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:46,120
Speaker 2: You know, like it's the more open people can be

2688
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: about the kings and stuff like that, and the more

2689
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 2: open sexually. The world can be more accepting than I

2690
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 2: think the less.

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02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:57,280
Speaker 1: That's why I say this every day. I say it

2692
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 1: a lot to my roommates, to police officers during traffic stops.

2693
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 1: More dominatrixes. Yeah, the only thing that will protect us

2694
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 1: from more Hitler's truly absolutely, that's I think the note.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna end on, Brandy, We're gonna pluggables.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at

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Speaker 2: brand Dazzle. My website is Brandyposey dot com Brandy with

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Speaker 2: an Ie Posey with Ey. I have an album available

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Speaker 2: wherever you listen to albums. It's called Opinion Cave. It's

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Speaker 2: very funny. Feel free to buy it. And then I

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Speaker 2: Gray and Test Barker, and then we have a fourth

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Speaker 2: guest on every week. Past guests have included people like

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Speaker 2: Karen co Gariff or French Stewart or Margaret Show. It's

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Speaker 2: really really fun podcast. And then I have a monthly

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Speaker 2: show here in Los Angeles on the second Saturday every

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Speaker 2: month called Picture This. And that's a show that I've

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Speaker 2: hosted for six years where we pair up comedians with animators.

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Speaker 2: Well ive animate your jokes behind you during your set.

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Speaker 2: It's like you riffing within your own bits. And we

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Speaker 2: get like really insane artists to come do the show

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Speaker 2: all the time. Look, we've had Pendleton Ward from Advent

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Speaker 2: Your Time, Craig Bartlett, the creator of Hey Arnold has

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Speaker 2: been on recently, and then we have people from amazing

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Speaker 2: shows like Budgick, Horsemen and Big Mouth and mister Pickles,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's a real, real great fun time. That's

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Speaker 2: the second Saturday. And that's a music.

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Speaker 1: It's my alarm that's set at four point thirty for

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02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 1: no good reason. Oh boy, but yeah, those are my plugs.

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Speaker 2: Come see me and all the shit. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you if you currently know a young man

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Speaker 1: who you're worried is going down a hitlerypath, yeah, tune

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Speaker 1: him into those shows. Maybe you open up his mind

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02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. Listen to some progressive comedy, get him.

2725
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:37,680
Speaker 2: Some dance lessons to listen to my podcast.

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Speaker 1: Have a couple of men. I me, hear a couple

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Speaker 1: of men laugh at themselves and you know, realize that

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Speaker 1: it's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like get him out there, just get him a hug.

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02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:52,120
Speaker 1: Or hire a goat to bite his dick off. Yeah.

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02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:53,880
Speaker 1: Either way, you know it's up to you to fight

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02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 1: the Hitler's in your life. We all encounter a couple

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02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:56,760
Speaker 1: of hitlers out there.

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Speaker 2: Hey, time traveling goats listening them out there and finish

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Speaker 2: the jack. Next time, I.

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Speaker 1: Finish the job and retroactively render this episode's pointless. I

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Speaker 1: am Robert Evans. You can find us online at behind

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Speaker 1: Themastards dot com. You can find me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: I write Okay. The book called A Brief History of

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Speaker 1: Vice where I do drugs, which if Hitler had done

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Speaker 1: more of when he was young and that when he

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Speaker 1: was old, he might have also come to some better

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Speaker 1: conclusions about because ego, I'm the podcast with the ad Bastard.

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