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Speaker 1: But they tackled. You're saying that humans need fantasy to

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Speaker 3: My goodness, I'm speak prone, best, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 1: All right, hit that horn? Very bless there.

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Speaker 4: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy of Flexed podcast.

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Speaker 4: I am your host, Chris Raybon, joined as always by

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Speaker 4: my dude, Sean Kerner, and we are into the meat

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Speaker 4: of the offseason. We have the draft behind us, so

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two season.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start going division by division.

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Speaker 4: For the next I guess eight weeks or so, and

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Speaker 2: So it should be fun. Sean, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Doing pretty good? How are you doing? But I know

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Speaker 4: I am feeling great because I was a little under

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Speaker 1: NBA, right, yeah, and being able to hockey mixed in.

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Speaker 4: excited to talk about this. You know, I don't think

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Speaker 4: AFC West can't beat that. So excited were starting with

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Speaker 4: that one, all right? Jump right into the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 4: How much does going to Denver helper or hurt him?

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Speaker 3: Actually, a better way to put it on my end

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Speaker 4: Last year, Patrick one point four to eight yards per route,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in. I'm in on Alberto.

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Speaker 1: But like who knows?

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Speaker 4: I don't think the Dulcitch pick hurts him at least

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Speaker 2: But if they're playing one, I think it's still going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Adultschitz pick probably keeps it at.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And then for the running game, we have Javonte william

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Speaker 1: And like you know, we like guys talent, but then we.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, Davante is essentially being taken at the Aaron

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Speaker 4: the charges next, and Justin Herbert is the quarterback four

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Speaker 4: in ADP.

439
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Speaker 1: Do you like Herbert they?

440
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Speaker 4: Is he a guy that you're taken if you're going

441
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Speaker 4: to take a quarterback early, are you just kind of

442
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 4: bypassing that whole early tier of quarterbacks.

443
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Speaker 1: So what are you doing with Herbert? Yeah, I mean

444
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 1: it's a bit too early to really tell.

445
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 3: You know, we typically avoid these types of qbs right

446
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: this I would call the tier two of qbs because

447
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: a guy like Brady you can probably get a bit

448
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 3: later who offers just as much upside. But I mean,

449
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 3: I don't fault anybody that wants to take justin Herbert

450
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 3: QB three or QB four. I mean, we still haven't

451
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: seen any stealing yet. You know, last year he had

452
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: to learn the new scheme under Joe Lombardi, so you know,

453
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 3: heading into this season, he already knows the scheme. They

454
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 3: have the same pieces in place, so you know this

455
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 3: guy's limit for him. And he did flash his rushing

456
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 3: up side last year. He had that one game where

457
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 3: he rushed for ninety yards. I think it was against

458
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Speaker 3: the Steelers. I mean a few other games we rushed

459
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Speaker 3: for twenty more. So he does have that sort of

460
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Speaker 3: rushing ability to go along with it. So while I

461
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: do like his upside, I'm typically not targeting qbs after

462
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: you know, like Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes off the board,

463
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 3: you just might as well wait for a Jalen Hurts

464
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: or Tom Brady, whichever one of those guys sort of

465
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Speaker 3: fall to you.

466
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Speaker 1: So just that range typically is in a void range

467
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Speaker 1: for me.

468
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Speaker 4: Yeah, same like he might end up ranked. Does my

469
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Speaker 4: QB three two be four? He was QB three last

470
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Speaker 4: year in terms of points per game, So certainly not

471
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 4: a question.

472
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: But there's just such a small.

473
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: Amount of separation in terms of the points per game

474
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Speaker 4: or the projected points per game between you know, Herbert

475
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Speaker 4: and Brady and Kyler and Mahomes and Rogers and Hurts

476
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Speaker 4: and I mean Lamar Jackson Dak Prescott. You know, you've

477
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 4: got to expect Burrow probably take a bit of a

478
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Speaker 4: step forward.

479
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Like, there's just.

480
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Speaker 4: Not enough separation to say, like, I'm definitely gonna be

481
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Speaker 4: right by taking Herbert because every year, like you said,

482
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Speaker 4: it seems like it seems like the guys that we

483
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Speaker 4: take a little higher dropping down a little bit, Like

484
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Speaker 4: you know, last year, Lamar Jackson ends up as the

485
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Speaker 4: QB eight and Dak is the is the QB nine,

486
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Speaker 4: And you know it's like Mahomes drops the quarterback five.

487
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Speaker 1: You know, Rogers is QB six.

488
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Speaker 4: It's a lot of times the guys on the higher

489
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Speaker 4: end because it's so it's the separation is so small,

490
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Speaker 4: it's almost like random, and it depends like one or

491
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Speaker 4: two weeks is going to sling everything. So yeah, I

492
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Speaker 4: don't see a point in taking Herbert there. Nothing really changed.

493
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Speaker 4: You know, it's not a good thing or a bad thing,

494
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 4: but you know, he had most of his wide receivers

495
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 4: healthy last year. Like if Kean Allen or Mike Williams

496
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Speaker 4: goes down, I mean, Herbert is still very good, but

497
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Speaker 4: if he has to throw to like Palmer and Geiton.

498
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Speaker 3: Instead of and yeah, I was just gonna say their

499
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: wide depth, like all his downside are things that are

500
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Speaker 3: out of his control, right, I mean, like you said,

501
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: they're finert wide receivers.

502
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Speaker 1: So he did benefit from both receivers. I think they each.

503
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 3: Missed one game last year, which is very good for him,

504
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: So he does have that downside. Also, their defense should

505
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: be a lot better this year, so they're a past

506
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: happy team. But if you know, if their defense is

507
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 3: elite this year and they have a lead most of

508
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: the time, you know they may be won't throw as much.

509
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: So there are things outside of his control. Unfortunately, that

510
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Speaker 3: factor is downside but Herbert himself is about it as

511
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: well as it gets like we're not knocking him, it's

512
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: just mostly about the range he's going in white.

513
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Speaker 1: Why we're probably gonna avoid him.

514
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he's the guy that I'm probably gonna end

515
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: up betting on for some props. Like I had him

516
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 4: for most passing yards last year. I might run that back, like,

517
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 4: oh that's good, you know what I mean? Like he's

518
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 4: that he's But like, as far as the ADP is right,

519
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 4: it's just witn't draft a quarterback there.

520
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Speaker 2: Keenan Allen ADP Wide Receiver twelve. I have to say

521
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Speaker 2: I've been getting a lot of him in in Best Ball.

522
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Speaker 4: I still think he should be a top ten receiver.

523
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Speaker 4: I mean, if if you're looking at justin Herbert as

524
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Speaker 4: and rightfully so, as a top four quarterback, you know

525
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 4: this guy. Allen has not caught any fewer than ninety

526
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 4: seven balls in each of the last five years. He's

527
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Speaker 4: got eleven one hundred plus yards in four of the

528
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 4: last five years, always at least six touchdown.

529
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Speaker 1: Not a big touchdown guy, but.

530
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Speaker 4: Pretty high floor, always six or more over the last

531
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Speaker 4: five years, and just one of the best route runners

532
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Speaker 4: in the game, so and he hasn't really you know,

533
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: earlier in the middle of his career. Early in his career,

534
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Speaker 4: I guess you know, he missed a lot of time

535
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Speaker 4: over a couple year period in twenty fifteen to sixteen,

536
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 4: I only played nine games of a possible thirty two.

537
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Speaker 4: But since then he's only missed three games over the

538
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 4: last five years, So age thirty. I don't think that's

539
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: a major drop off point for wide receivers, especially seeing

540
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Speaker 4: as how he maintained it through his prime anyway, which

541
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 4: is you know, twenty six twenty seven, and he's still

542
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: maintained it at twenty eight twenty nine.

543
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Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to see a drop off.

544
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

545
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Speaker 2: I like I like keenan out. I think he's underrated here.

546
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is as safe and straightforward as it gets.

547
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: You know, you know exactly what you're getting when it

548
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: comes to keen Ol and a shit ton of targets.

549
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 3: He's not going to do much after the catch, unfortunately,

550
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: and he's going to give you six to eight touchdowns,

551
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: So his ceiling is a big cap.

552
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. You know what you're gonna get,

553
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say he's that makes.

554
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: Him way more valuable for like re draft leagues, just

555
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: knowing you're gonna get a solid score each week. Best

556
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: ball is the only format you can make a case for,

557
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: you know, going with the guy with the higher ceiling.

558
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: But either way, you really can't go wrong with him.

559
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's justin Herbert's favorite target, Like he's said,

560
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: he's a great route runner. He's privately opened every play,

561
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: so he's going to get a ton of targets and

562
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: a pass heavy offense with one of the best young

563
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: and upcoming quarterbacks. Like what more could you want? So yeah,

564
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm maybe he'll start to decline a little bit now

565
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: that he's on the wrong side of thirty, but you know,

566
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: for this year specifically, he's still giving me a top

567
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: twelve receiver.

568
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's I guess he has been like declining,

569
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 4: but it's almost been slightly.

570
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

571
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 4: It's like his yards per route went from like two

572
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: point oh to one point nine to one point eight

573
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: the last three years, so it's like, even if he

574
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: gets to one point seven this year, it's you're still

575
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: going to get like eleven hundred.

576
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: Yard, sixty eight touchdown and ninety five plus catches exactly,

577
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: sign me up for that. Mike Williams Wide receiver seventeen.

578
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: I can't get behind that at all.

579
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: What do you think? Oh man?

580
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: I loved it this time last year when I was

581
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 3: getting him, well was it wide receiver forty five? And

582
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: like every single draft, I came with Mike Williams in

583
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: almost every single draft and I got him. It was

584
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: a blast for the first seven weeks or so, and

585
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: then it all started to fall apart.

586
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it.

587
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: Really had to do with his I think he had

588
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: a knee injury. He came back just like a game

589
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: or two after suffering that. I don't know if that

590
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: impacted him, but he definitely fell off significantly.

591
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: But that's just going to be the case with him.

592
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: He's more of the downfield threat in this offense, so

593
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: he is going to be pretty inconsistent. But it just

594
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: goes to show he does have, you know, wide receiver

595
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: one upside every given week. It's just he can't string

596
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 3: it together for seventeen straight games. So yeah, I'm probably

597
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: out now that his ADP is probably where it should

598
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: have been last year around wide receiver twenty. But yeah,

599
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: if you want consistency in this range, there's probably better options.

600
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: But if you again, if you're in best ball, he's

601
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: probably better suited for that type of format.

602
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, in basketball, you know that that's where it makes

603
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: the most sense.

604
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: But I mean bestball is so like it's I feel

605
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: like it gets a little sharp each year, and I think,

606
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: you know, wide receivers just so important that even in bestball,

607
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a player who had seven games

608
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: last year where he failed to score seven half PPR points.

609
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 4: He had eight games where he was in single digits,

610
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: like even in bestball. Like, that's hard to overcome from

611
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 4: your wide receiver too, you know, from a guy that

612
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 4: you're drafting at that spot.

613
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: Because you're usually gonna need.

614
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: You three receivers and probably a wide receiver in your

615
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: flex in bestball. So I mean, you know, the ups

616
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: are great, but I guess it's just Keenan Allen really

617
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: caps this ceiling or casts his consistency.

618
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, because Keenan.

619
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 4: Allen every week is getting you know, these eight to

620
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: ten targets and these five six catches, So you know, yeah,

621
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: it's I get it.

622
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Williams, he was right around there.

623
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: Last year, he finishes the wide receiver sixteen in points

624
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: per game.

625
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: But I mean he had eighteen plus points.

626
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: In each of the first three weeks or four of

627
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: the first five weeks, i should say, and then from

628
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: then on he only topped eighteen points twice and hal

629
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: ppr the rest of the way. And I mean it

630
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: was almost as if, like defense it said, oh, okay,

631
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: we got to cover Mike Williams. And then after that,

632
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: like he just really didn't register much. I mean, he

633
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: had like he had the one big game against since

634
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: he had the big game on the last day of

635
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: the season against the Raiders. But yeah, I think that's

636
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 4: too high. I'm not taking him as a top twenty

637
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: guy just for the consistency along.

638
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. All right, let's suck.

639
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: You know, we still have Josh Palmer there. I know

640
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: you like him. Do you think this is you know,

641
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: year two for him? You think he's going to make

642
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: a week forward and kind of take over that number

643
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: three wide receiver role.

644
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

645
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's a definite, but it's certainly a possibility.

646
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: And where he's being drafted, that's all that matters, you know.

647
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: I thought he'd be able to leap frog Jalen Geiden

648
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier than he did like last year,

649
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: but down the stretch weeks fourteen and sixteen, he finally

650
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: saw over a ninety percent route share. That was because

651
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: you know, Keenan Allen and Michael Williams were out each

652
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: of those games, so he was able to produce when

653
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: he had the playing time. He posted a five catch

654
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: for sixty six yards in a touchdown game and another

655
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: five catch for forty three yards in a touchdown game

656
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: in the other so he definitely flashed the upside. Whereas

657
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: Guidan's more of just an empty route runner. He doesn't

658
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: really offer upside. I think Palmer does, and they've been

659
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: looking for a true number three wide receiver for quite

660
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: some time, so I just think he's worth investing in

661
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 3: that upside. Like I said, Jalen Guiden's still there. It's

662
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: not a definite that Palmer will leap probab him, but

663
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: they took him in the fourth round last year, so

664
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: they definitely invested in him. I think he does have

665
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: the upside you're looking for in that range, and if

666
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: either Keenan Allen or Michae Williams were to miss time.

667
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: Like you said, each of them only missed one game

668
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: last year, so they they had pretty good injury luck

669
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: in that regard. So Palmer, you know, he does have

670
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: that baked in injury upset already, but I think he

671
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: could become their you know, eventual number three wide receivers.

672
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: So sign me up at wide receiver sixty five.

673
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's definitely got a monitor in camp, Like

674
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: I do need him to beat out Guyton though. If

675
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: he's not beating out guy and it tells me that

676
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: they just want well, it just kind of tells me that.

677
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: They want that guy in type on the field.

678
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, the speed, you know, deep route, probably going to

679
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: run twenty routes and not get targeted by that twenty

680
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: First he goes for eighty yard score something, the.

681
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Robinson decoy. Yeah, and then Gerald Everett is there.

682
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: Now he's a tight end twenty two is he He's

683
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: think he has any shot at being Fantasy relevant this year.

684
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: He's just going to kind of be like Jared Cook,

685
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: kind of just like out of the picture outside of

686
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: a well.

687
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: I thought Jared Cook was decent last year. I think

688
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: we were both kind of on him at his ADP

689
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: last year, and he had some spike freaks, but he

690
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: was a bit older at least Everett. You know, he's

691
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: basically entering his prime. His receptions and receiving yards have

692
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: gone up each of the first five seasons, and I

693
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: don't see why that trend won't continue. I'm projecting him

694
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: right around fifty five catches for like five hundred and

695
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: fifty yards, So just being in this offense alone raises

696
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: his ceiling. Again, if either Micha Williams or Keen Allen

697
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: were to go down, he would be the number two

698
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: or three target, So he has a ton of upside.

699
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: Last year was definitely disappointing for him in Seattle. I

700
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: think he got banged up along the way. But I

701
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: think you can definitely say he's a good value at

702
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: tight end twenty three.

703
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: Nothing to lose in that range.

704
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he should be a little more efficient than Cook.

705
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: Both of them had forty eight catches and four touchdowns

706
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: last year, but Cook had twenty more targets.

707
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

708
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they were both tied for the te nineteen

709
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: spot though, you know, nothing sexy, but there's a little

710
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: bit of a there's some room for Everett to kind

711
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: of bump in terms of his efficiency.

712
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: If he gets more targets, he would be a bump

713
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: up in efficient Stammian over Overcook. So it's something I'm watching,

714
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't. It's still a stretch for him

715
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 4: to probably get to like the top twelve. Yeah, definitely

716
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: got a kind of monitor. Especially if your draft plan

717
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: revolves around kind of punting the tight end position, you're

718
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: probably gonna need to take multiple stabs a little later on.

719
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: Do you think he's going to be like a let's say,

720
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: sixty five seventy percent plus routrun guy or do you

721
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: think like guys like par hamm or even Trey McKitty,

722
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 3: who's you know entering year two?

723
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to eat into that quite

724
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: a bit? Now?

725
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see the same usage just Cook,

726
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: maybe even a little more because he's younger, Like, because

727
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: a lot of it also depends on, you know, the

728
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: more Palmer kind of takes a step forward, I think,

729
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: the less you have to go with like those three

730
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: two three tight end sets when you don't want to

731
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, trade m Kitty's not factoring into this in

732
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: any way, Okay.

733
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: In my opinion, Yeah, no, I like, that's good if

734
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: we can chalk you know, ever it up for seventy

735
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: percent plus routes run.

736
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all in on that. Austin Eckler, He's the

737
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: RB four.

738
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: I think the interesting question for me with him is

739
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: I think RB four is the right spot in terms

740
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: of ranking at running back. But you know, his ADP

741
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: and overall is like between six and seven. So it's

742
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: I guess, like, how many wide receivers would you take

743
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: before him?

744
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: As it just Cooper Cup? Is there anyone else.

745
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: In that range? That's a good question.

746
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: I'm big on loading up on receivers early, so I

747
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: think I would take guys like Justin Jefferson, maybe DeVante Adams,

748
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: Like it's definitely you know close. I think that maybe

749
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson and then Austin Eckler. For me,

750
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: I think he can't go wrong with Eckler. I mean,

751
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: he's basically a workhorse back and one of the best

752
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: offenses in ball. His past catching ability just makes him,

753
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 3: you know, gamescript proof, So I do love having Austin

754
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: Eckler on my team. Plus, I mean he's a fantasy

755
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: football yeah, you know addict as well. What was it

756
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: Week sixteen when he was questionable, he basically told people,

757
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: I'm starting Justin Jackson this week. Like you made it

758
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: pretty clearly he wasn't going to play. Like it's nice

759
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: to have a guy like that that cater's to fantasy.

760
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like having Eckler my team. I think

761
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: he's still in his prime, so there's no reason to

762
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: shy away from him. So he's he's actually my RB three,

763
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: So I'm a little bit ahead of ADP, So I

764
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: would take Eckler probably in my top five or six.

765
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: Wait, so who do you have ahead of him and

766
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: just Taylor? And is a McCaffrey or is it Henry?

767
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: That is a great question. Let me see, I have

768
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: one of those. I have McCaffrey. No, I have McCaffrey, uh,

769
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: pretty clearly ahead of Eckler actually, and then I have

770
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 3: Ekler and Henry basically and Tier three they're basically tied.

771
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: But I would lean Eckler over those two. Yeah.

772
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: Like, honestly, I even have trouble taking Eker over Cooper Cup,

773
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: like I know, I mean Cooper Cup over Ekler, Like

774
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: I know Cup.

775
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: Like projection wise is going to come out ahead. But

776
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: the drafts I've been in, you know, best Ball early on,

777
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: just I feel like you need to study running backs,

778
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: and I feel like you need to get him in

779
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 4: the first two rounds because the wide receiver value.

780
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: It does drop off too, so that you need to

781
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: kind of load up.

782
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: But it's really hard to kind of get that that

783
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: second running back, you know, even in the third round

784
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: and on, like I feel like you're just kind of

785
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: taking more risks and where there's like lower risk wide receivers.

786
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, Ekler is a guy that, yeah, like I'm

787
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm taking him.

788
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: You know, RB three are are RB four at worst?

789
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 4: And uh yeah, probably in that top four. Like I'm

790
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 4: just I'm just going running back.

791
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Have you thinking about it? I'm right with you. I

792
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: had my redraft brain on.

793
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: Sorry when it comes to best ball, absolutely, because you

794
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: know redraft, I can finago the waiver wire in season,

795
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: I can pick up that backup running back that's going

796
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: to become a starter.

797
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, best Ball it's one and done. You get

798
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: to draft and that's it.

799
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: So I do like to prefer, you know, getting a

800
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: couple of stud running backs early. So in that situation, yeah,

801
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: I would go Eckler over any wide receiver right now.

802
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say it even applies to

803
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: redraft for me right now, just because I at this point,

804
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't I just don't see where

805
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: I'm getting.

806
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: This funny back guy. Now, things may open.

807
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: Up, you know as the season, but you know the

808
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 4: frozen pond is looking hell of frozen again.

809
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Eckler.

810
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: I think you know, twenty touchdowns last year, and you

811
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: know everyone always questions his their ability. He did miss

812
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: six games in twenty twenty, but one miss game last year,

813
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 4: no miss games a year before, two miss games a

814
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: year before that, and no miss games a year before that,

815
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: So he's really hasn't missed a ton of games in

816
00:37:59,520 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: his career.

817
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: He's one of the strongest guys in the league.

818
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: Like if he does one armful up like this might

819
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: he might be the strongest pound for pound, like play

820
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 4: out in a week.

821
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, let me s Eckler.

822
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Isaiah Spiller because you know he was

823
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: a guy that was drafted in the fourth round out

824
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: of Texas A and m has a chance to be

825
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: I to spell Eckler justin Jackson the long run A team.

826
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: What do you think of Spiller going.

827
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 3: At RB forty four, Yeah, I think RB forty four

828
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: is probably too early, but he is. I would say

829
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: he's the heavy favorite to be the direct backup, so

830
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: to take the Justin Jackson role, which comes with a

831
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: ton of value. I mean, we saw Justin Jackson in

832
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: Week sixteen when Eckler had to, you know, miss the

833
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: game against the Texans. Justin Jackson was the RB one.

834
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: I mean he just went off that game. So uh yeah,

835
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: Isaiah Spiller has that injury upside. But you know, running

836
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: back forty four, you would want the running back to

837
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: be the clear backup, and right now Spiller does. You know,

838
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: he has to compete with Josh Kelly and Larry Rountree

839
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: to a certain extent, and I think he will be

840
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: able to hold them off. But it's still up in

841
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: the air. It's going to be a camp battle, so

842
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: it's not a done deal. I would be safer. I

843
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: would say drafting him maybe in the RB fifty range

844
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: makes more sense. But again, he would have a ton

845
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: of upside if he were to win that number two

846
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: job heading in the season.

847
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: Where would you have him ranked if he won that job,

848
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: because I think that's the last question that matters at

849
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: this point.

850
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if he if he comes out of camp,

851
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: they're just like he's without a doubt the RB two. Yeah,

852
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: then we're talking in the RB thirty five to forty range.

853
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: So that's the odds of that are being baked in.

854
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's kind of splitting the difference,

855
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 4: right it's Yeah, well the recent the recent ADP has

856
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: them around RB thirty five, so that might be sharper

857
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 4: drafts that I'm looking at, but that would be way

858
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: too high as of now.

859
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: But certainly I would say in the.

860
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: RB forty five to fifty range right now would probably

861
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: be the time to grab him. Yeah.

862
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is what I'm talking about, Like it's

863
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: running back kind of drops off a cliff like you no,

864
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: you don't. He's already thirty five because no one knows

865
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: who the fuck to take, like you know what I mean,

866
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: like anybody.

867
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: So I don't hate it.

868
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 4: I mean if even if you can get him in

869
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: the forties, even at that, like I don't mind it.

870
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: As like I think I think the at least.

871
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: Right now, the draft plan for me is like get

872
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: stud running backs and it's just like you know, after

873
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: that you're just taking kind of upside swings later, like,

874
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: you know, if you can, if you can happen to

875
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: get like a guy like Melboyn Gordon. Yes, but there's

876
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: not even too many of those guys, you know that

877
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: those like guys that are gonna be kind of the

878
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 4: one B guys.

879
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: Like if you can get one of those, you're good.

880
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: But then you're still probably gonna need you know, two

881
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: more running backs on your roster after after that.

882
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: And I think Spiller is a guy I'm.

883
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: Certainly fine with just taking that shot on and you

884
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: know it could go poorly, but and if I'm an

885
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: Echwort owner, I'm definitely you know, he's a center be

886
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 4: not free, but I think it's good. It's good kind

887
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: of insurance because let's be real, Josh Kelly is.

888
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: Not gonna win that bet or not more recent you.

889
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: Know, got like like he It's like, I don't think

890
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: they would have drafted Spiller if they were happy with Rountree.

891
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think he's in a good spot. Yeah.

892
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: Ever since we saw a round Tree in person, I've

893
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: been off him personally. Remember he he took that run,

894
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: it looked like he was running a quick stand and

895
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: just fell over yea for about a one yard game.

896
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: I've been off of him ever since then. But you know,

897
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: when it comes to just the backup running backs, I

898
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: prefer the guys in that range, maybe like A I

899
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 3: don't know if this guy's in that range, but Chase Edmonds,

900
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: who has an actual chance, Well he's high, maybe he

901
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: has how much though like ten he dropped.

902
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: A little bit, but he still he is still usually

903
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 4: spending like RB thirty ish type.

904
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, that's fair enough. But I like

905
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: guys that actually have a chance to be the lead back.

906
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: I mean, Spiller needs Eckler to miss time to be playable,

907
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 3: or you know, like a true backup where he's gonna

908
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: be a top ten no matter what, like Alexander Madison

909
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: in that range.

910
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: I prefer guys like that. Then I'll get to a Spiller.

911
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: But there are certain.

912
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 3: Guys that I look for once all the starting running

913
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: backs are off the board, the definitive started running backs,

914
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: I do have like a hierarchy and how I kind

915
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: of attack the backups, and Spiller is sort of in

916
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: that tier three of those.

917
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Now it's totally fair. He's it's yeah, we're talking about.

918
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: This in May and he hasn't won anything. So yeah,

919
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: that's you got.

920
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: This is another situation you kind of got a monitor

921
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 4: in camp. All right, let's jump to the Kansas City

922
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 4: Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes is the quarterback two. An ADP

923
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: that seems too high. I mean, it's crazy, it's crazy

924
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: to say that. But maybe it's not too high because

925
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is great, but I mean we already saw

926
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: a defense is kind of figuring him out last year

927
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: a little bit. And then like Tyreek Hill just turned

928
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 4: so many big plays and like, maybe you have a

929
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: deeper wide receiver Cord this year and you can spread

930
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: the ball around and that might alleviate some of the

931
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: things that they kind of fur out last year, but

932
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 4: you're still missing a dude who could put up like

933
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: two hundred yards in the first quarter. And I think ultimately,

934
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: when you're drafting a QB two, like having a guy

935
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: like Tyreek Hill baked in is part of the reason.

936
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: You draft Mahomes that quarterback too.

937
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: So like for me, it's kind of like Herbert, It's

938
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: like maybe the maybe the ranking is not even wrong,

939
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: but I think the like where he's going in terms

940
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: of draft you know in those first.

941
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: Few rounds, I can't get behind it.

942
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the perfect assessment, and I have him

943
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: QB two, not gonna lie on in KB two. But

944
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: he's not like, oh is it Josh Allen or Patrick

945
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: Mahomes number one. It's Josh Allen number one by far,

946
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: not even close. And now Patrick Mahomes is sort of

947
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: in that tier with Herbert Lamar Murray. You could even

948
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: throw Tom Brady in there. So he's just he's in

949
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: that tier now. And like you said, without tyreek Kill,

950
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: his ceilings lowered. Travis Kelcey, he's still elite, but he

951
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: is turning thirty three, so you know he's gonna decline

952
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 3: at some point, and like you said, defense to figure

953
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: it him out. So just unfortunately his ceilings just a

954
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: little bit lower. So even though he's my QB two,

955
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: it's it's very close between him and QB six now,

956
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: which is a new thing for me in terms.

957
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Of my projections.

958
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, That's that's kind of what it is. It's

959
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: like Mahomes could be the QB two, he could be

960
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: the QB eight.

961
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: I mean, especially without Tyreek Hill here to like score

962
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: long distance touchdowns regularly.

963
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean Tyreek Hill.

964
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 4: Had like let's see, he had twenty eight touchdowns in

965
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 4: his career of forty plus yards, most of which were

966
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: with Patrick Mahomes. Like you know, that's that you just

967
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: don't replace that, you know, in terms of the numbers,

968
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: and that leaves open because Mahomes isn't running as much

969
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: as Kyler or Lamar. So it's like now, it leaves

970
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: Mahomes open to where if his passing numbers aren't like

971
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: top one, top two, then he could easily end up

972
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: palling like QB eight or nine, just because all the

973
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: running quarterbacks, you know, like Lamar could bounce back, you know,

974
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 4: even though it's gonna be hard without Marquis Brown.

975
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: Dak could bounce back.

976
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: Like There's just there's a lot of uncertainty there, and

977
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: I think it's a big risk to take Mahomes that high.

978
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: You know.

979
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 4: It's I think it's it's it's gonna be good for

980
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: him that he can kind of spread it around. But

981
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: that's that doesn't necessarily translate to big numbers.

982
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say I did think they did a

983
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: good job bringing in a few wide receivers. We could

984
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: transition to those, but you know, bring in guys like Juju,

985
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: MVS and drafting sky More that'll help soften the blow

986
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: with tyry kill, but obviously there's only one tyre kill,

987
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: so at the end of the day, it's a downgrade

988
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: for Patrick Holmes heading into twenty twenty two.

989
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about these wide receivers.

990
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 4: Juju that wide receiver twenty seven, and ADP sky Moore

991
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: thirty nine, MVS fifty one, and then Miko Hardman fifty eight,

992
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm curious to what you think about

993
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: these guys because as far as we know outside of Juju,

994
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: we don't And I guess MVS is going to start,

995
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: like Skymore's not even guaranteed to be a day one starter,

996
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 4: like a lot of the beat riders I've read seem

997
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: to suggest that, like they think Mikole Hardman is going

998
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: to kind of jump into that role, but he, you know,

999
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: he's always been a disappointment.

1000
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: So like, how are you kind.

1001
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 4: Of ranking these these guys even just in their pecking

1002
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: order before it even gets to the ADP.

1003
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Juju is definitely the safest bet. I think

1004
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 3: he's going to be sort of a Duller Tree Nan

1005
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: Allen this year, but it seems like ten years ago.

1006
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: We remember we were ranking Juju, Smith, Schuster, and Antonio

1007
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: Brown the top five. Yeah, every week with the Steelers.

1008
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: That seems like ten years ago.

1009
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: Right.

1010
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: He's only twenty five years old. I mean, he's younger

1011
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: than Terry McLaurin, so he's still like basically entering his prime.

1012
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: So I love Juju heading into this offense. Again, I

1013
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 3: don't think his ceiling's very high.

1014
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: Totally yards per catch eight point six the last two years, yeah, exactly,

1015
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 4: not optible.

1016
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: He's not going to be Clarence fourteen or anything like that.

1017
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: But either way, he should see a ton of targets.

1018
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: Although I will say the one concern, the only concern

1019
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: really is that his route tree is kind of overlapping

1020
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: a bit with Travis Kelce, which could hurt a little bit,

1021
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: but again, probably not something to worry about. At the

1022
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: end of the day, Maholmes is gonna have to throw

1023
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: it to somebody other than Travis Kelce. So I think

1024
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: Ju is gonna see a ton of targets this year

1025
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: in fantasy. But you know, he's been playing with you know,

1026
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: declining Big Ben in the past couple of seasons.

1027
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: He's been dealing with injuries. I think the changer scenery

1028
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: is going to be huge.

1029
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: So I love his floor, So I love getting him

1030
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: at wide receiver twenty seven. I think that's the perfect

1031
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: range you get him, and I would rank him. I'm

1032
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: ranking him like wide receiver twenty three, but he has

1033
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 3: such a high floor that I would draft him ahead

1034
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: of that. But I think Juju is by far the

1035
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: safest bet out.

1036
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: Of this group.

1037
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm okay with him at wide receiver twenty seven.

1038
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: Like that's that seems reasonable, all right.

1039
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Like these other.

1040
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: Guys though, Like I mean, I think MBS seems like

1041
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 4: the safest bet to run a good amount of route

1042
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: because they signed him to a fairly substantial contract in

1043
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: free agency. Yeah, but like he's also not a guy

1044
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: that necessarily is going to come in a high target

1045
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 4: per route run. And we kind of saw last year that,

1046
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 4: like even Tyreek, but you know, especially the other guys,

1047
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 4: no one really ran more than like seventy percent of routes,

1048
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: Like they just kind of rotated everyone else in. And

1049
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 4: that's kind of my fear. You know, maybe even with

1050
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 4: Juju a little bit, I doubt it. I think he's

1051
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: probably gonna should be on the field. But like that's

1052
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: kind of the fear, right, is that all these guys

1053
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 4: end up running between like fifty and seventy percent every week,

1054
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 4: and we keep waiting for that week that like sky

1055
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: Moore is going to jump above fifty because he's the

1056
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 4: most efficient and clearly the best one out of the

1057
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: remaining three. And so like, I don't know, do you

1058
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: see any value on more mvs. Hardman at their eightyps? Yeah,

1059
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: so sky Moore like he's a sexy pick because he's

1060
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: a rookie, But I agree, he's just his ADP is

1061
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: just assuming that he's gonna beat these three out, and

1062
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be close between the three

1063
00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: of them.

1064
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: I think I mvs.

1065
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: We know we're gonna get He's remaining in Hackett scheme,

1066
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: so it would not surprise me if he has the

1067
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: same role. You know, he's gonna have the casual spikes week.

1068
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: He is the poster child when it comes to best ball.

1069
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he's still a great best ball play. You

1070
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: just never know when he's gonna go those spike weeks.

1071
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: So I think he's probably a great bet at his

1072
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: current ADP and best ball basically the same role in

1073
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: this offense as he was in Green Bay, but I

1074
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: think sky Moore his ADP's probably a bit high, so

1075
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: I think the perennial disappointment. Mikol Harmon is probably my

1076
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: sleeper pick of these three. Again we're just kind of

1077
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: throwing darts here, but he's always sort of been the

1078
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 3: tyre Kill replacement, and we've been kind of disappointed when

1079
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: other receivers go down and he doesn't really see a

1080
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 3: boost and you know, routes run or usage. But whenever

1081
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: tyger Kill has missed time, he has stepped up. You

1082
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: remember that that game, I think as Week eight team

1083
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: where Tyry Kill treaked his heel in pregame and he

1084
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: was sort of a played a few snaps, but that

1085
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: was the game that Nicol Harmon went off for eight

1086
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: catches in one hundred and three yards. So he's always

1087
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: sort of been that, you know, natural Tyreek Hill replacement,

1088
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: So I think he has some sneaky upside to finally

1089
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: hit this year now that everybody's moved off of them.

1090
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: So sort of in that wide receiver sixty five ranges

1091
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: the perfect time to take a flayer on a guy

1092
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: like Hartman.

1093
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think I'm like probably end up going

1094
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 4: to end up kind of fading everyone but Juju, just

1095
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 4: because I mean in this when I'm drafting wide receivers,

1096
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 4: first of all, I think you need to be aggressive

1097
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 4: early on with wide receiver, but I think in this range,

1098
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: I'm always looking for players that can like have a

1099
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: pass to like be in that their team's like number

1100
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: one option or you know, once those guys are gone,

1101
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 4: the pass to the number two option. And with Travis

1102
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 4: Kelce as like a target hog, and then I think

1103
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 4: Juju is going to kind of be that second guy.

1104
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: I think the highest you're looking at is the number

1105
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 4: three option, but then there's three guys can be for

1106
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 4: that number three options. So it's like I just see

1107
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: more of a floor to busting with the pick, whereas

1108
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 4: like even if you get it right, you're still getting

1109
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: the number three option on the Chiefs. And I mean

1110
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 4: that was like Miko, that was like, yeah, Hardman or

1111
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: Watkins or you know, like those guys don't necessarily pop.

1112
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm probably gonna fade everyone not named Juju

1113
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 4: in that wide receiver run.

1114
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a bold move.

1115
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: I mean, is creating the number three target giving getting

1116
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: the number three target of Patrick Maholmes is a feat

1117
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm willing to accept a challenge.

1118
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept.

1119
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I've been burned a lot on Mikol

1120
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: Hardman and probably gonna get burned again here. But I'm

1121
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: just saying, in that range, sign me up for you know,

1122
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 3: Patrick Holmes number three target fire. So that's that's why

1123
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: I think in that range target this is ultimately just

1124
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: give me the cheapest of the three. It's sort of

1125
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: like the foreign arrows backfield. Just give me the cheapest

1126
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: of the three, because like you said, it's it's like

1127
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: a one in three chance for every guy. So that's

1128
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: that's kind of what I'm going with here, all right.

1129
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: At the running back position, we got quiet Edwards d

1130
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 4: Lair RB twenty eight, Ronald Jones RB forty one. I

1131
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 4: mean Edward d Lair is like, is it like, what

1132
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 4: do you think of him?

1133
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: Is like?

1134
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: Is he going to be startable again? Ever? Like?

1135
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Is it just over?

1136
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 3: Like?

1137
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: Because I mean the last couple of years, his first couple.

1138
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: Of years in the weegue, we were drafting him as

1139
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 4: a starter and we were, you know, we were saying, okay,

1140
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 4: you know he hasn't quite lived up to it yet,

1141
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: but he's on the Chiefs and now it's just like

1142
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 4: it's like, all right now ADP has kind of caught

1143
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: up and he's outside the top twenty four.

1144
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 2: So I mean, what are your thoughts on on CE eight.

1145
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just pouinny because I mean, how exciting

1146
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: was it to see him go to the Chiefs in

1147
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: the first rounds just a couple of years ago. And

1148
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: certainly he's he's shown flashes of his RB one upside.

1149
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, how could he not in this offense, but

1150
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: just yeah, he I mean he hasn't been able to

1151
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: hold off guys like Darryl Williams or even Derek Gold

1152
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 3: at times.

1153
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: So it's been bad.

1154
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: And so now with Ronald Jones entering the mix, I

1155
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: think that unfortunately is part of that frozen pond where

1156
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: you know, he's probably ranked appropriately in the RB twenty

1157
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: eight range, but still like hit his downsides too massive

1158
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: to you know, really roll the dice in this range.

1159
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: So I rather, I hate to say it, I rather

1160
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: wait to get Ronald Jones to invest in this backfield.

1161
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: And that pains me to say, but you know, he's

1162
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 3: supposed to be a good pass catching back, but last

1163
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: year he only saw target on twelve point four percent

1164
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: of his routs run, which is abysmal for a guy

1165
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be a pas catching running back. So

1166
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: there's just not much to like about ch unfortunately in

1167
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: his first couple of seasons. So yeah, I'm probably off

1168
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: of him as his current ADP. So I would say

1169
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 3: out of all the Chiefs, he's probably the potential bust

1170
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: for me.

1171
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if it was was it

1172
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: the injuries late in the egg, like they just stopped

1173
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: using him late in the year. I mean his first

1174
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: eight games he had double digit carries in all of

1175
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: them except to when he got hurt, and then from

1176
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 4: week fifteen on he didn't get double digit carries once,

1177
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 4: you know, throughout the playoffs. You know, remember Jared McKinnon

1178
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 4: ran and we popped up, and Daryl Williams was right

1179
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 4: outside the top twenty because he just.

1180
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: Played in every game.

1181
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 4: So you know, I think everything, where's somebody to monitor

1182
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: because I think if he's getting like those ten carries

1183
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 4: and three catches a game, like, you know, you could

1184
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 4: do it. He's got some upside ten plus carries a game.

1185
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: This is just that the usage drop up would just

1186
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 4: start over the last like four games that he appeared in,

1187
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: And so I mean we did see him, you know,

1188
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: fourteen carries and three catches in week one, you know,

1189
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: thirteen car thirteen touches in week two, nineteen touches in

1190
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: week three, sixteen touches in week four. Like it's not

1191
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: as if he's never done it before, it's just can

1192
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: you stay healthy doing it? So he's a guy, a

1193
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: monitor in camp. I'm not ready to comp coly write

1194
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: him off yet. Yeah, but I do think dur is

1195
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 4: some value on Jones here. But I worry about Jones

1196
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 4: too because I don't, I know, they don't have anyone

1197
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: on the roster right now like this, but like I

1198
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: just worry that if, like if like Edwards Uaire goes down,

1199
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 4: do they want another like McKinnon type, you know, like

1200
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: another guy who's more versatile. And Jones still kind of

1201
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 4: takes a back seat that because like Darren Williams, like

1202
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 4: we think of him as a plotter, but they loved

1203
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: him in the passing game, like he was a good passbocker.

1204
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: He caught like that crazy touchdown against the Raiders.

1205
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 4: I think it was like on a deep shot, like,

1206
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 4: so I worry about Ronald Jones. I think I guess

1207
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: he's priced kind of right, But I think this is

1208
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: a situation a monitor and see how they're using both

1209
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 4: of these guys and what they're what they say their

1210
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 4: plans are, because Andy Rebaffields are always kind of crazy anyway, Yeah.

1211
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's fair.

1212
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 3: And you know, ral Jones offers absolutely nothing in terms

1213
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: of the passing game, so obviously as a cat uh seal,

1214
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: but you know, he does offer some sneaky upside at

1215
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: his current ADP.

1216
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: He's only twenty five years old.

1217
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: It seems like he's you know, in his thirties by now,

1218
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: but he's still young.

1219
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: He's still got some pop.

1220
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 3: He's going to be behind a good offensive line, so

1221
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 3: he could be a home run threat or you know,

1222
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: the goal line back, so he has some paths to

1223
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 3: you know, being startable even if ch is healthy. And

1224
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: this has been a ball backfield even when Ch is healthy.

1225
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: So just I like the idea of getting rall drones

1226
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: at his current ADP. And if you remember last year,

1227
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: I was laughing at his ADP because I just thought,

1228
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: you know, how's he goingna e leap frog Leonard Fournette.

1229
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: But this is a different situation. So you know, he's

1230
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: probably not going to be an RB two at the

1231
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 3: end of the year, but certainly I think.

1232
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: He can easily.

1233
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: I'd be this ADP if he can inform some sort

1234
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: of committee with cech Okay.

1235
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: I won't make that joke about him looking like he

1236
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 4: runs like he's in his thirties.

1237
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: There are some times where he was he had that really.

1238
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: Good year, like last year, like not this not twenty

1239
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: twenty twenty the Covi run.

1240
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: He had that ninety eight yard run. He looked really

1241
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: good that year.

1242
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 4: Actually, I think he ever go for five yards you

1243
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 4: have five point one yards per carry. But yeah, this

1244
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 4: is I just I think this Chiefs offense is going

1245
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 4: to be a little bit overdrafted period because we're all

1246
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: trying to like figure out how to get value with

1247
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, that big Tyreek Hill void and we all

1248
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: might end up a little disappointed outside of Kelsey, you know,

1249
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 4: who was the tight end one and rpefully so, so yeah,

1250
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: that's my view on that. Let's go to the Raiders.

1251
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 4: Start with the quarterback Derek Carr. I mean he's QB

1252
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: fifteen and ADP. He's got DeVante Adams, he's got Darren Waller,

1253
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 4: and he's got Hunter Renfro So he's got and not

1254
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: only that, but he also they also got rid of

1255
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: Brian Edwards.

1256
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: So like you.

1257
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: Literally if anyone's gained the most in separation like this offseason,

1258
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: like you have like essentially three of the best separators

1259
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: at their physicians and you and you traded away one

1260
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: of the worst seperators at their positions.

1261
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: And you also got rid of Zay Jones, which hasn't

1262
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: he hasn't been great most of his career. He was

1263
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: pretty solid last year, but I don't know, I mean,

1264
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 4: Derek Carr could probably be like that, that one quarterback

1265
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: who's like not a runner, who like sneaks into the

1266
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: top twelve, right, Yeah.

1267
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: I think I think so.

1268
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: And you know, Hered he flashed some pretty big upside

1269
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: last year if you remember, you know, five of the

1270
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: first seven games last year, he threw for over three

1271
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty yards, yeah, and two touchdowns. And then

1272
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 3: he started to fall off. And it wasn't too surprising

1273
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: because he lost Henry Ruggs unfortunately, and Darren Waller suffered

1274
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: a multi week injury. So getting a guy like Waller

1275
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: back is huge, and then getting a guy like DeVante

1276
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: Adams is huge. So I don't know how defenses are

1277
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 3: gonna be able to cover all three guys. But that's

1278
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: good news for Derek Carr. And you know, he's his

1279
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: upside is limited because he doesn't rush much as a quarterback,

1280
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 3: So I think his ADP is fair, but certainly as

1281
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: a high floor and I think he could offer you know,

1282
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: low end QB one upside weekend and week out.

1283
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: So I love Derek Carr's perent ADP.

1284
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think cars, you know, obviously still that ideal,

1285
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: especially in redraft if you're getting a quarterback that doesn't

1286
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: have that rushing ability, especially if his name is not

1287
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 4: like Tom Brady or somebody like that. But I will

1288
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 4: say if you are kind of you find yourself in

1289
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 4: a position where you feel like you know your draft

1290
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 4: is gonna work out better by doing that extreme like

1291
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: weight on quarterback and literally being the last person to

1292
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 4: draft your starter, and you find yourself a car, I

1293
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 4: mean I wouldn't. I don't hate it because you're probably

1294
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: gonna have a strong roster surrounding him. You're probably gonna

1295
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 4: have a stud tight end, maybe even Waller, So yeah,

1296
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: not the not definitely quarterback fifteen. I think there's some

1297
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 4: value there.

1298
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: I think he could sneak in kind of be like

1299
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: a Stafford you know last year, will be that one

1300
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: guy who's got that.

1301
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: That pocket path.

1302
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 4: So he's not totally a week that could still put

1303
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 4: up big numbers.

1304
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: Davante wide receiver five. What do you think? I love it.

1305
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: I have him wide receiver four.

1306
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: It's a downgrade, you know, going from Aaron Rodgers to

1307
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: Derek carl Let's face it, but with DeVante it's never

1308
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: really about the quarterback. He was able to put up

1309
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: top ten numbers with Brett Hunley under his center for

1310
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 3: multiple weeks, so that's not the case. But the downside

1311
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: is that he's going to have to share targets with

1312
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: guys like Hunter Renfro and Darren Waller, so that does

1313
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 3: ding him a bit. But he's so good that you

1314
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: can't downgrade him too much. So even at the end

1315
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 3: of the day, I'm still projecting him just over six

1316
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: receptions a game. He's still going to have you know,

1317
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: ten eleven touchdowns, you know, probably not as much as

1318
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: he would in Green Bay, but that's still top five

1319
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: wide receiver. So give me, you know, DeVante Adams at

1320
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: wide receiver four, and yeah, like he's probably going to produce,

1321
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: you know, top five wide receiver season as always, but

1322
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: it is certainly a slight downgrade.

1323
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the touchdowns are obviously a concern. I mean,

1324
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodger, no one throws touchdowns like Aaron Rodger, just right, you.

1325
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1326
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 4: So, I mean I could see Adam's kind of similar

1327
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: catching yardage numbers, but maybe maybe single digit touchdowns instead

1328
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 4: of the double digits that he's done in five of

1329
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: the last six seasons. But yeah, I'm still I'm on

1330
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 4: board with him as top five. He's another guy's just

1331
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 4: so safe because he could get open, and that's all

1332
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 4: you need at the end of the day. You know,

1333
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: he can get open, he's gonna he's gonna demand a

1334
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 4: ton of targets. I think it's right to knock him,

1335
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 4: you know, down from like wide receiver one or two

1336
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 4: to four or five.

1337
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: That's fair.

1338
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, if he's dropping any more than that, I'm

1339
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 4: taking him every time. And even at his I think

1340
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 4: he's properly valued where he's going, don't mind taking him

1341
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 4: there either.

1342
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: Darren Waller tight end four Adams.

1343
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 4: I guess you know how much do we worry about

1344
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: Adams cutting into his target chairs?

1345
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: He's still in a weak tight end? Is he is? He?

1346
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: You know? Are we taking him over Kittle? Are we

1347
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: taking him over pits?

1348
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 3: Like?

1349
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: What do you think of Waller this year? No?

1350
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 3: I still like Waller at tight end five. I have

1351
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: him in pits essentially tied, so they're my tight end

1352
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 3: four and five in tandem. I think it's less of

1353
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: a downgrade for Waller. He he did decline a little

1354
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: bit last year. We have to remember he was a

1355
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: late bloomer. He's turning thirty this year, so he is

1356
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 3: sort of on the decline, but with positions scarcely at

1357
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 3: tight end, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I

1358
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: think the one guy we didn't mention him, But the

1359
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: one guy I think it probably hurts the most is

1360
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: Hunter Renfroeah because he does rely on target share and

1361
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: so he's going to be hurt quite a bit when

1362
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: it comes to Hunter renfro Last year his three hundred

1363
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: yard receiving games, we're all when Darren Waller was out,

1364
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,479
Speaker 3: So I mean Renfro is putting up massive numbers when

1365
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 3: Rugs and Waller were out, but I think with Waller

1366
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 3: back and with Adams in the mix, I think, you know,

1367
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: Renfro is going to be closer to a four to

1368
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 3: five catch game guy with limited touchdown upside. So I

1369
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 3: think out of those three, I think Rentro takes the

1370
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 3: biggest tip from the Adams signing.

1371
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean we also have to remember there

1372
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: is a new offensive coordinator in town.

1373
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 4: You know, Josh McDaniels is there, So I mean there's

1374
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 4: a chance that this is like the you know, Renfro

1375
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 4: is just Julian Edelman and Javac Adams is like Randy

1376
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 4: Boss and like you just kind of you have that

1377
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 4: you have a crazy, crazy offense. But you know, so

1378
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 4: I'm I'm intrigued, But yeah, I have a hard time,

1379
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 4: you know, going any higher than wide receiver forty forty

1380
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 4: one with Renfro, which is where he's being taken. I

1381
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 4: think there's a chance you could just have like these

1382
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 4: like they this offense supports three guys, but that's still

1383
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 4: that means Derek Carr is gonna is gonna kill.

1384
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that means Derek Carr's top ten quarterback.

1385
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, but I mean I am intrigued, Like I'm

1386
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 4: not ready to even with Renfro, I'm not ready to

1387
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: completely write him off because I think it's a new offense.

1388
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 4: So and he you know, Adams Renfro Waller like there,

1389
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: it's all It's gonna be a synergistic effect, you know,

1390
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 4: in the sense of real football where you know somebody's

1391
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: gonna be open on every play because the other two

1392
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 4: are gonna be demanding covered.

1393
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna be following that one too.

1394
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 4: But I think this offense, like I rather invest in

1395
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 4: this offense where if everything's gonna be a lot more concentrated,

1396
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 4: like I know, even if Renfro might not be as

1397
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 4: good as he was last year, like I know he's

1398
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 4: gonna be like that third option versus Kansas City, where

1399
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 4: like I have no idea who's going.

1400
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: To be the third option realistically.

1401
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: Speaking, you know what I mean, Like I can make

1402
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: an educated guess, and so could you.

1403
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 4: With the reality is it could change from week to week.

1404
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: It's probably not gonna change in Vegas from week to week.

1405
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: And then josh Acobs, he's the RB twenty three. I

1406
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 4: guess the question with him is, you know, how do

1407
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 4: you see his passing game involvement. You know, there were

1408
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 4: times last year where I remember we were betting like

1409
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 4: the over on his receptions every week, like refreshing. But now, yeah,

1410
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 4: it's like that could have been just due to injury. Again,

1411
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 4: we have a new offense where with Daniel kind of

1412
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 4: separated those roles he had he had these two down

1413
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 4: backs and then he had James White. So I I

1414
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: do worry about Josh Jacobs hitting three point six catches

1415
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: per game, a career high that he did last year.

1416
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: But what do you think. Yeah, that's a fair point.

1417
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 3: With mcdonell's coming from the Belichick camp, we always have

1418
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 3: that annoying three running back committee, But I think that

1419
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: Jacobs could be.

1420
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: A sleeper in this range.

1421
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 3: I thought his ADP was going to be a bit

1422
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 3: higher just due to him being a top ten running

1423
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: back over the final five weeks last season. It certainly

1424
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: helped that Kenny and Drake, you know, unfortunately he suffered

1425
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: that season an ankle injury, so Jacobs was, you know,

1426
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: forced to be the workhorse back. We all knew he

1427
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: could do it, but like you said, he flashed that

1428
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: receiving upside we all knew he had last year. He

1429
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: had nine games of four plus reception, so you know,

1430
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: they declined his fifth year option, so he has a

1431
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: lot to play for this year. It's a contract year.

1432
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 3: They probably are counting on Zameir White to be the

1433
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 3: running back next year, so they have no reason to

1434
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: kind of be conservative when it comes to joshikabs touches,

1435
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: so he could see a healthy dose of touches this here.

1436
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 3: I just think in this range, this is the frozen

1437
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,479
Speaker 3: pund t here, right. I think he has a higher

1438
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: floor than we typically see from an RB twenty three.

1439
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: So I think he's a sleeper in this range, especially

1440
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: just given how good the passing offense should be. I

1441
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: think that's going to open things up in the running game,

1442
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: possibly set them up for more easy goal line scorer.

1443
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 3: So I like Jacobs at RB twenty three.

1444
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the I think I like him the

1445
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 4: most in standard and like goes from there. Like I

1446
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 4: think he could have like h Garrett Blunt season in him,

1447
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 4: like twenty touchdowns, you know what I mean, like one

1448
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 4: of those just like tell I mean that's the coordinator

1449
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 4: we're talking, That's that's what mcdanis has been and that

1450
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: that fits Jacob's role perfectly. And again, he's in this

1451
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 4: offense where everyone's going to get open. Derek Carr has

1452
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 4: proven that when he's in a good system, he can

1453
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 4: deliver and play well. And so I think you're gonna

1454
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 4: have a lot of touchdown opportunities. The defense might even

1455
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 4: be a little bit better, knows, So, you know, I

1456
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 4: think the touchdown upset is high. But I do worry

1457
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 4: about the past game involvement. I think Drake will still

1458
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 4: be back. Uh, there's Brandon Bolden is there, and oh

1459
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 4: Daniel loves him.

1460
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: You know. Hey, I'm just I'm just saying, you know, doula,

1461
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, Bolden makes sense that McDaniels.

1462
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, bold is making the roster.

1463
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: He's even if he never gets a touch or a snap.

1464
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 4: He's on offense, He's gonna make the rosters a special team.

1465
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.

1466
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 4: But no, no, yeah, I think I think Drake is

1467
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 4: the big one to pay attention to as long as

1468
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 4: he's recovering. Uh, I think there's a chance, you know,

1469
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 4: Drake just gets that James White roll.

1470
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: It would make sense.

1471
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 4: I mean, White was similar player at this point in

1472
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 4: their careers. You know, I don't see why I couldn't

1473
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 4: side into that, but that JA because I still could

1474
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 4: see him getting like, you know, eighteen carries per week

1475
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 4: and like averaging close to a touchdown per game, you know,

1476
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 4: something like that if the offense is humming.

1477
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: So I see where you're going with them.

1478
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm projecting him for around two point two receptions a game,

1479
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: nothing crazy, yeah, so you know I'm factoring that in

1480
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 3: as well, and two point two catches the game with

1481
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: with his you know, fifteen carries a game, that's you know,

1482
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: RB nineteen let's say, with increased touch ups i'd given

1483
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams, yeah.

1484
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's had he had twelve two years ago,

1485
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 4: nine last year. Yep, on the ground still hasn't caught one.

1486
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 4: So we're still waiting for there positive regression. Telling you

1487
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 4: the Garrett Blunt Sony Michelle at their best.

1488
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: I would love that.

1489
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: That's that. Yeah, that's the upside here.

1490
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,520
Speaker 4: So like Josh Jake, especially in standard and a half PPR,

1491
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 4: who else is We've got to Marcus Robinson here. We

1492
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 4: don't really need to talk about him right.

1493
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: Well, they they brought in healing Cole, so we got

1494
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 3: a can't battle there right between those two. Now you're

1495
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 3: not actually DeMarcus Robinson will be the best thing possible

1496
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 3: for Adams runcro Waller, just a guy out there keeping

1497
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: defenses on. It's been not drawing a single target, right.

1498
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just like he's just like he just like

1499
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 4: draw it to a warm body on the defense, just

1500
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 4: to keep on us exactly, just so just to make

1501
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 4: sure we got we got only ten guys to deal

1502
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: with our the rest of these guys. Yeah, so we're

1503
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 4: not gonna talk about him, keep and co out. I

1504
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 4: think he'll probably be a special team, right. I think

1505
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 4: Robinson's probably the guy they intend to start. I mean,

1506
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 4: let's remember in New England they had like remember that

1507
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 4: Damiri Bird and Nelson Aguilar.

1508
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: They love guys who like run routes and don't get targets.

1509
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right, Yeah, So that's gonna wrap it

1510
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 4: up for us for the AFC West.

1511
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

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