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Speaker 1: So it was interesting. I got a I got a

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Speaker 2: So you're saying that they would not have traded into

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Speaker 1: Nope, they wanted a first it was, But it's interesting

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Speaker 2: I think Sean McVeigh was very candid last week when

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Speaker 2: And I thought this with Matt Stafford. Now, if they

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Speaker 1: and discover a legend in a bottle today. So there

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Speaker 1: was a moment this weekend. Jerry Jones canceled his interview

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Speaker 1: at the NFL Combine and the Cowboys have had a

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Speaker 1: rough couple of years. I mean, they gave away a

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Speaker 1: fourth round pick for Trey Lance. He couldn't beat out

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Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. I mean, if Kyle Shanahan Cammick a quarterback accurate,

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Speaker 1: he's not accurate. They give up a fourth round pick

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Speaker 1: for Jonathan Mingo, the wide receiver five catches for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: and again both those moves, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, we all kind of went.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Commanders gave up a fifth round pick for

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. And it's really interesting as I look at Washington,

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Speaker 1: not just because of the result, but between Adam Peters,

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Speaker 1: Cliff dan Quinn, that move for Debo Jaden Daniels, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think, like a lot of times there's recency bias.

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe for the next decade, Washington is going

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Speaker 1: to be one of the three best NFC teams. And

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Speaker 1: I think what's happening with the Cowboys now, they're becoming

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Speaker 1: the old Al Davis Raiders. They feel like they are honestly,

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Speaker 1: they are lost at sea. I mean they are giving

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Speaker 1: away draft picks now. I mean people don't understand they

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Speaker 1: may re work Dax contract. It's a ninety million dollar

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Speaker 1: cap hit that is over double Josh Allen. They can

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Speaker 1: rework it all they want to. What fifty eight I

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Speaker 1: said this a year ago. I said they're going to

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Speaker 1: start a decade of regression. It has happened so fast

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Speaker 1: in this league. Shit goes south so fast. What did

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Speaker 1: you make of the Debo only giving up a fifth

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Speaker 1: round pick?

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Speaker 2: Well, to me, you just look at the free agent

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Speaker 2: class and you go, well, we don't want to get

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Speaker 2: in any long because the whole thing was Washington has

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Speaker 2: all this cap space, they need some more weapons for Jayden,

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Speaker 2: and you look around you go, well, NFL free agency

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Speaker 2: is the most overrated thing because high end guys never

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Speaker 2: make it, and the guys that do you have to

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Speaker 2: pay an absolute premium to get. Remember a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, Christian Kirk got like four years ninety million dollars.

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Speaker 2: He actually turned out to be okay. But you have

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Speaker 2: to pay, you know, elite money for those guys. So

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Speaker 2: I can get Debo on a year to year contract.

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Speaker 2: I have all this space. All I have to give

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Speaker 2: up is a fifth round pick. In the nil era,

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Speaker 2: fifth six to seventh round picks feel like diminished and

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Speaker 2: watered down. I also think you get a guy who's

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Speaker 2: a little motivated. People are calling him fat, you know,

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Speaker 2: a little like Lucas style. Adam Peters knows the guy well.

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Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury. You know, when you think back to Arizona,

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Speaker 2: they used a lot of gadget players. Rondell Moore, the

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Speaker 2: Purdue guy, different type player, but guys you can get

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Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage, you know. I actually think

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Speaker 2: it's a good scheme fit. He has excelled when they've

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Speaker 2: had a route running wide receiver on the opposite side.

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Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin, Brandon Nyuk to me, if you get a

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Speaker 2: motivated Debo, it's a no brainer. We have all this

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Speaker 2: cap space. I give him seventeen All I have to

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Speaker 2: give up is a fifth round pick, and if you're

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, you aren't gonna pay him seventeen

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Speaker 2: million dollars here in a couple of weeks. So it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a win win. The Niners

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Speaker 2: are moving off, they don't have to eat any of

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Speaker 2: the money. They trade to a team where the general

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Speaker 2: manager was around not only drafting him, but his good

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Speaker 2: and bad moments, so knows his personality because the other thing,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've been saying it for ever. Whyer See,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little moodie. They got a little

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Speaker 2: like Hollywood actor to him. They need to be you

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Speaker 2: just you have to know their personality. It's very rare

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Speaker 2: to get like a Larry Fitzgerald. Most guys are more debo.

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Speaker 2: And Adam Peters knows this player really well. And I

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Speaker 2: think the Jerry Jones thing. How often in any business

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Speaker 2: that if the eighty year old patriarch of the operation

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Speaker 2: is around and his name's not Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway,

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Speaker 2: is it a healthy place to be when the guy's hovering.

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Speaker 2: He's made an ungodly amount of money, he does not

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Speaker 2: need to be there, and he's extra hands on. So Jerry,

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Speaker 2: you could argue, Jerry's ego feels like it's only grown.

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Speaker 2: As they've quote unquote struggled over the last decade relative

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Speaker 2: to some of their big seasons, and they've underwhelmed in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, it doesn't feel like Jerry's gone. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Steven and Will McKay and my coach

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Speaker 2: take a bigger role. I'm just I'm just gonna be

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Speaker 2: more of a figurehead. He always doubles down cutting the check.

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Speaker 2: My name's on that bad boy. I'm involved. I'm a

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Speaker 2: football guy, and he's not wrong. I mean, he played

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Speaker 2: college football, he's been around his whole life. But unlike

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Speaker 2: a lot of football guys, Jerry is addicted to business. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and the business of his team is marketing and all that.

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Speaker 2: And it's just there's just a lot going on with

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, and you know, Micah Parsons. You talk about

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Speaker 2: Dak's capit. If they do give Mike a new deal

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Speaker 2: and don't trade them, what's that deal? One hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars guaranteed for quarterback contract?

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Speaker 3: Rudal?

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, so they're in three guys at a

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Speaker 2: combine what like five hundred million dollars?

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Speaker 3: Crazy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just you can't have three different players

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Speaker 1: top of the market when only one of them, Ce

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Speaker 1: d Lamb is top five at his position in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, it's I had a very good

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Speaker 1: year last year, predicting, very bad year, picking individual games,

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Speaker 1: very good year, you know, picking teams. I got Washington

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Speaker 1: and Denver and some of the upstarts this year. I

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Speaker 1: think New England is going to be a surprise playoff team.

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Speaker 1: I think the Jets are going to go sideways a

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Speaker 1: little bit. They don't have a quarterback. I think Miami

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Speaker 1: I kind of think they've topped out a little bit.

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Speaker 1: All the motion and the tricks and smoking mirrors. I

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Speaker 1: think there's limitations there. I think New England's going to

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Speaker 1: be in play And my other one is I think

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Speaker 1: Dallas is potentially a five or six win team with

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Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer. I mean, I have the good news is

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Speaker 1: it's a good quarterback draft. I have to go out

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Speaker 1: and get one if I was Dallas this year. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think I heard Stephen Jones say this. I had

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Speaker 1: another person tell me who I respect, keep your eye

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Speaker 1: on Kyle McCord out of Syracuse in the late second round.

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Speaker 1: Do not be shocked if the Dallas Cowboys do go

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Speaker 1: after Kyle McCord of Syracuse. Now they're not late second.

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Speaker 1: I think Dallas made trade down in the second round

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Speaker 1: to get a mid second pick. I am hearing more

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Speaker 1: and more, and I went and watched him about a

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Speaker 1: month ago. Kyle McCord throws a really nice ball and

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Speaker 1: I thought about this if he had stayed, because Will

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Speaker 1: Howard completed sixty one percent of his throws at Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: He goes to Ohio State and complete seventy three percent

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Speaker 1: of his throws. If you don't think that matters. If

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Speaker 1: if Kyle McCord stays at Ohio State with Jeremiah Smith

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Speaker 1: and Ibuka and the two NFL running backs and Kyle McCord,

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Speaker 1: who's a much better pro prospect than Will Howard, it's

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Speaker 1: not even. It's not Will Howard is like late fifth sixth.

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Speaker 1: In fact, somebody today texts me in the NFL he

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Speaker 1: thinks after the combine he's a seventh round pick.

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Speaker 2: I had a bad combine. Oh bad.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think Kyle McCord is going to end up being

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Speaker 1: as good as any quarterback in that draft.

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Speaker 3: This is my hottest take is that he'll he'll be

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Speaker 3: the guy.

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Speaker 2: Tell me I'm wrong, Well, I think yeah. I watched

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Speaker 2: a couple of Syracuse games this season and went, this

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Speaker 2: is the guy that Ryan Day because let's face it,

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Speaker 2: they blamed him for the Michigan loss two years ago

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Speaker 2: and he got kicked out, and so I listen, I

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Speaker 2: believed him. I was like Hey, this guy, if he

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Speaker 2: can't make it there, maybe they're right. And then you

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Speaker 2: watch him at Syracuse, who had their best season in

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Speaker 2: a while. He was spinning. He's got a big arms

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Speaker 2: hight spiral. I think him and Jackson Dart because there

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Speaker 2: are so many question marks with the top two guys

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Speaker 2: with Cam and Chador. If you're talking about two guys

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Speaker 2: you have to draft in the top I don't know

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Speaker 2: one guy in the top five, the other guy in

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Speaker 2: the top twelve. You can get these two guys. Historically,

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Speaker 2: McCord is not going to be a first round pick,

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Speaker 2: but even Jackson Dart would also have been a second

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Speaker 2: round pick. You could find the Derek Carrs, the Jimmy Garoppolos,

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Speaker 2: these guys that can start for you, and if you

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Speaker 2: do a good job building your team, you can win

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Speaker 2: with I think the problem for the Cowboys is if

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Speaker 2: you look at the Dak Era, they really only had

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Speaker 2: to deal with the Eagles, right, he just kind of

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Speaker 2: went back and forth over the last ten years, right

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Speaker 2: with Doug Peterson and then Sirianni Era. Well, now it's

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Speaker 2: not just the Eagles, it's Washington too, So you add

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Speaker 2: another team because Washington up until last year was a joke.

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Speaker 2: The Giants have been terrible for what a decade plus,

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Speaker 2: So now the Cowboys don't just have to deal with

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, they have to deal with Washington. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a huge problem. And even if they do

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Speaker 2: draft mccor Jackson Dart whoever, let's say they draft a

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Speaker 2: second round pick that does nothing for them in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five and honestly does nothing for them the next

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Speaker 2: couple of years. That guys, they're kind of just hoping

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Speaker 2: to get their Jordan love, which is good big picture

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Speaker 2: team building, but it does not help them trying to

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Speaker 2: beat the Eagles or Washington in Week seven when you're

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Speaker 2: three and three and your season kind of feels like

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Speaker 2: it's teetering, right, Yeah, the you know, it.

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Speaker 3: Was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I had this take that Sam Donald so overachieved for

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Speaker 1: the Vikings that Kevin O'Connell and their young gm feel

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Speaker 1: like they owe Sam Donald. They owe him a solid

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Speaker 1: and everybody likes Sam impossible not to like if you

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Speaker 1: meet him, and so they have said publicly, we're not

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Speaker 1: sure what we're gonna do. We we we may resign him,

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Speaker 1: and everybody knows Kevin O'Connell, the tall Sean McVay is

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Speaker 1: a really good coach. Now I'm just I'm theorizing this,

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Speaker 1: but Kevin O'Connell knows what he's gonna do at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna use JJ McCarthy. But they're doing a solid.

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Speaker 1: This is sort of like what McVeigh did to Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: He told everybody, God, Baker was great. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: a guy work this hard. He was unbelievable. You do

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Speaker 1: a guy a solid who comes in, you want to

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Speaker 1: help him, you want a good reputation that I think

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Speaker 1: the Vikings know what they're gonna do, but they feel

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Speaker 1: like Sam is a better.

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Speaker 3: Guy than Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: And if those are the two best quarterbacks on the market,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna say nice things about Sam to

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Speaker 1: get him the better deal. Because a lot of these teams,

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Speaker 1: like Vegas, it's gonna come down potentially to Sam and Aaron.

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Speaker 1: So my theory is, you know, Aaron's made a few

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Speaker 1: enemies in his career, you know, and he's got his

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Speaker 1: reputation that the Vikings are just doing this to get

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Speaker 1: Sam the better deal on the market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I do think last year kind of spoke

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Speaker 2: for itself. He did play really well. Yes, I mean

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00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: you and I coming on week in week out. He

643
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: just was that an MVP performance. I mean that throw

644
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: and that play he made against Seattle. Near the end

645
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: of the season, he thought like could he actually win

646
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: the MVP, And then those last two games I would say,

647
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, kind of clouded his fantastic season. The hard

648
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: part is there were so much on the line in

649
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: those two games. He was horrendous. I think the difference

650
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: of the two is one I would struggle with Aaron

651
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: for any amount of money over like ten twelve million

652
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: dollars because you're getting a guy that doesn't want to

653
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: get hit. Yeah, it's naturally kind of moody with an

654
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, just a unique cat Sam. His value kind

655
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: of is Baker Mayfield Like, it's not a super cheap deal.

656
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: So you're talking I would say eighty to one hundred,

657
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: but it is You're getting to bed with him for

658
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: a couple of seasons, even if it's the Daniel Jones contract,

659
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: that's a multiple year contract, so that there becomes pressure

660
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: on that. I think, you know, the Giants are kind

661
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: of in win now mode, right, you know, doesn't make

662
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: more sense. Let's just go with Aaron Rodgers and maybe

663
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, veteran quarterback who knows what we do. If

664
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: we get with Sam Darnold, it doesn't work. All of

665
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: a sudden, we're in a weird spot. I think, Sam,

666
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: like all these quarterbacks, you're you're gonna be much better

667
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: with a good with Sean McVay, with Kevin O'Connell, with

668
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. You get with some of these coaches like

669
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: you're just not. Let me look at Ebra Fluce and

670
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: Caleb in that situation. Now we'll find out how good

671
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: Caleb actually is. But he had no chance last year.

672
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: Well, this is funny about the draft. I was talking

673
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: to somebody in the league about Jalen Milroe, and you know,

674
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: this person likes Jalen's story and his parents and the kid.

675
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: He thinks he's a much better Anthony Richardson. But he

676
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: did say to me, he said, but if he goes

677
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: to a defensive coach and it's a first time offensive coordinator,

678
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: he goes Jayleen Milroll is going to.

679
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 3: Look really bad. He said.

680
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: Now if he goes to you know, he goes to

681
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: a there's an offensive sensibility or he goes to a

682
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: you know, an offensive head coach where he doesn't have

683
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: to start. He said, the kid is physically he is

684
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: a better athlete than Anthony Richardson, Like he just will

685
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: run people over or run by them. And he said

686
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: he throws a gorgeous deep ball. Anthony Richardson doesn't throw

687
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: a gorgeous anything. But to your point, with Darnold and Gardner,

688
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: Minshew with Shane Steichen almost made the playoffs in Las Vegas,

689
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: it was a mess. And I think that's how I

690
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: feel about this year's quarterback class. I really do, John,

691
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Where do they land now? I think cam Ward is

692
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: talented enough to overcome a little nonsense and you get

693
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: one of those guys in ye where they're just kind

694
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: of good enough to make it work to some degree.

695
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: But I think every other guy in this drafting, Jackson Dart,

696
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe, Kyle mclory, shud Or Sanders, they get poor coaching,

697
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: they get a battle line.

698
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: It could be ugly fast.

699
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Speaker 2: You know. Someone asked me, like, what's the difference between

700
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe and Anthony Richardson. I said, well, Anthony Richindson

701
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: had a lot of unknown Jalen's the problem with Jalen

702
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: is we've seen two years at Alabama as a starter.

703
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: If he only had nine games for Alabama, he would

704
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: be a lock first round pick. We can mold them,

705
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: we can figure it out. His sample size was too big,

706
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: the thing Anthony Richardson had going for him, small sample size,

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: and then the bigger it got Trey Lance one year starting.

708
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: If he had started three years, would people have been

709
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: off the scent? And that's where some of these guys

710
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 2: that have been three or four year starters. You got

711
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Will Campbell. Everyone's picking him apart. The guy's been a

712
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: four year starter at LSU, had left at he might

713
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: end up being a guard, but I'll promise you he's

714
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: gonna start in the NFL for a decade. Right, he

715
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: might be a guard, but he's going to start in

716
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: the NFL for a decade. And I understand where he

717
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: pushes back. Everyone's bitching about my arms. Show me where

718
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm getting beat because of my own But sometimes Logan

719
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Mankins was a left tackle at President State. They moved

720
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: him a guard pro bowler. The thing with quarterbacks, the

721
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: accuracy thing does rattle people, and we have recent examples

722
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson who were listen. Sometimes you swing

723
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: for the fences, Aaron judge five hundred feet. Sometimes you

724
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: strike out, and you know, Anthey Richinson, let's face it

725
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: looks like a whiff. YEA. Their GM comes out and says,

726
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: we got to bring in competition. If you're saying that

727
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: year three about the guy you drafted in the top five,

728
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: it's a problem. Ye trade. Lance was traded before whatever,

729
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: before year three started. So I think those two guys

730
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: serve as Jalen and where people talk themselves in on

731
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: Anthey Richardon and Chris Ballard wasn't alone. People really like

732
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: the kid. They that's you know Shador. These interviews people

733
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: said Anthony richards blew them away. We love them, And

734
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Milro same type deal. Look at look

735
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: at the similar parallels of all the sabing quarterbacks. They

736
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: handle the room pretty well, right they walk in. You

737
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: go back to AJ mccaron, to the dude calling ESPN games, McElroy,

738
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: all the way through the group of the last five

739
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: six years. They all handle the room well. The problem

740
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: is that only goes so far. Can you complete the

741
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: eighteen yard out route right or you're gonna hit the

742
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: trainer on the sideline. And I think Jalen Milroe, like

743
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: Anthony Richinson, like I've learned this because I lean the

744
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: physical traits, the accuracy thing, it's just a non start.

745
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: The Josh Allen thing is a historic outlier, and I

746
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: think people kind of chase that. It's like, I don't

747
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: know if we're ever seeing that again in his story

748
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: right bouncing around begging people to sign it. It's just

749
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: he's just in his own little box. Yeah, you know so,

750
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: And I think everyone's kind of chasing that, like that's

751
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: not gonna happen again.

752
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Jimmy Johnson. He retired on

753
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: my show today and he's got he made three Hall

754
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: of Fames, and I said it on the air as

755
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy and I had great conversations about, you know, stuff

756
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Ninety percent of it didn't make the air,

757
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: and it was just good. Ninety percent of it was

758
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: just filler and information to me that I can then

759
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: pass on to the audience. But some stuff Jimmy told

760
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: me I would never pass on. And that's that's part

761
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: of what you and I do, Like we have sources,

762
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: we have friends, I protect them. Jimmy told me some

763
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: stories that are so outrageously funny that you could never repeat.

764
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: But you know, thinking about Jimmy Johnson, one of the

765
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: cool things about sports is it gets smarter over time.

766
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: And like, for instance, in basketball, now we shoot too

767
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: many threes, but for years, you know, somebody finally said,

768
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, the math is way better. If you shoot

769
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: threes over twos, the math works out better. And you know,

770
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: it's like in baseball, you know what strikeouts, they're not

771
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: the end of the world. Ground balls are so just

772
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, we have more efficiency, we have more numbers,

773
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: more math. You know, for years, the strikeout in baseball

774
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: was like, ah, the inning ender. No, the inning ender

775
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: is the ground ball. And you look at the NFL

776
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: as I don't think people some of our audience knows this,

777
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: but people did not make trades before Jimmy Johnson made

778
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: that herschel Walker deal. It was just so rare. Now

779
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: they make more trades by far than the NBA. And

780
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: do you take me back, because you obviously are younger

781
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: than me, I can remember the herschel Walker trade, and

782
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: again I may be dating myself. I can remember the

783
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: reaction people. I mean people celebrated the Minnesota Vikings like

784
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: they stole herschel Walker, And in the end, it is

785
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the seminal moment that built the dynasty in Dallas. Tell

786
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: me your thoughts about that moment. Jimmy Johnson, what do

787
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: you remember him for?

788
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know, growing up in northern California, the forty

789
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: nine Ers might as well have been the Yankee. I

790
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: was born in eighty four, so by the time I

791
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: was coming into my own as a sports fan ninety one,

792
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: ninety two, ninety three, I have vivid memories of watching

793
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: the NFC championship games that the forty nine Ers could

794
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: not win, and my father, like most forty nine Ers fans,

795
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: were not big Steve Young guys because Joe Montana might

796
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: as well have been Michael Jordan meets Jesus, and it

797
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: was not going well, and I just remember those teams

798
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: were so good. But in twenty twenty, the Super Bowl

799
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: was held in Miami and it was the forty nine

800
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: Ers in the Chiefs and Fox had it, and I

801
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: went to do a three and out podcast. You were there.

802
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: I was hung out in Miami for three or four days,

803
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: and I went to the Chiefs Hotel and I was

804
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: with some of the guys with the Chiefs and they said,

805
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: you'll never believe this. But yesterday Andy, because the Fox

806
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: guys came to practice, he had Jimmy talk to the team.

807
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: And most of these guys don't know Jimmy as a coach,

808
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: let alone like he was once upon a time, like

809
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: the best coach in the NFL and one of the

810
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: great like Pete Carroll right of the eighties and nineties

811
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: winning in college anna the pros and said, and these guys,

812
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy telling me the story had been

813
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: in the NFL for twenty plus years, still on the

814
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: staff to this day, said he had never seen a

815
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: pre game. It wasn't in pregames, but you know it's

816
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: like Tuesday or Wednesday. Everyone the hair on the back

817
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: of their neck stood up. Like He's like, Jimmy doesn't

818
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: still got it. He could coach this team, lead us

819
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: out to the super Bowl, and he said, the place

820
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: went nuts. And it's just one of those personalities. And listen,

821
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: Jimmy's not the biggest guy. He always had. I mean,

822
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: I remember him as the head and shoulders guy when

823
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: when I was a kid on the commercials with his hair.

824
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: But he said, of all the people that coach read

825
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: and all the people that he's just seen come in

826
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: from the outside and give a speech, it wasn't even close.

827
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: That was the best thing that he's ever seen. And

828
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: I think some guys and this is like, I'm glad

829
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: that Sean McVeagh didn't go to Amazon. Like the NFL

830
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: benefited because Jimmy played a big role on Fox and

831
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: Fox getting the NFL changed the course of the NFL

832
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: business big picture, but they did lose I mean a

833
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: pretty special coach. I mean, it's cool to see Pete

834
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: Carroll come back, like these people belong and you talk,

835
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: you're around a guy like Jimmy, even those who were retired.

836
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: How often does he talk to Andy Reid, Bill Belichick?

837
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Like those are his people? Yes, you know, he has

838
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: more in common with them than he does you know,

839
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: media people, even though he'll go down as one of

840
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: the great television personalities with a sport in the history

841
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: of the league. But yeah, I mean, I just remember

842
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: being this having described that that kind of speeds that

843
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: he gave to the team. Andy's no dummy, you know,

844
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, Jimmy, you know, and he said it

845
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: was fantastic. But I remember Jimmy and those Cowboys beating

846
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: the forty nine I remember they beat him in a rainstorm,

847
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: I think the second straight NFC Championship game. And as

848
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: a kid, a lot of people thought that Steve Young.

849
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine the story in twenty twenty five,

850
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: the version of getting rid of Joe Montana for Steve

851
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Young and then constantly losing to this other team. So

852
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: it was a really big deal when I was a

853
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: kid of the Cowboys beating the forty nine ers.

854
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

855
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: It was funny talking to Jimmy about the Miami days,

856
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes and you know, the convicts against the Catholics,

857
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: and he was so proud about how many kids had

858
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: made like you know, the honor roll, and how he

859
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: was like, you know, people just thought we were a

860
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: bunch of dummies. He goes, He goes, we had a

861
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: lot of good students on that team. He goes, you know,

862
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: it was Miami. He goes, there were kids that like

863
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: to go out and chop it up, and he goes,

864
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: that was part of it. He goes, But he goes,

865
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: you don't he goes, cause I had to ask him

866
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: me one time, I may have been on the air

867
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: or off and I said, Like, if I said, what

868
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: is the one quality of a great team and asked

869
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy this on more than one occasion, he always gave

870
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: the same answer. Intelligence. He goes, players have to be

871
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: willing to learn, learn quickly, and then develop. And he goes,

872
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Guys that don't do their work, guys that just are

873
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: slow learners. He goes, it doesn't work. Great teams are

874
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: intelligent teams, and he goes because he goes, especially in

875
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: the NFL, the margins are so tight. This stuff all

876
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: comes down to situational football. Kansas City was not as

877
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: good as Philadelphia, but the last two years the Chiefs

878
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: have been so good situationally. That's just smart dudes who

879
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: have been around the Joe Tooneys and the Kelsey's and

880
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: the Mahomes. Those dudes have been around in big games.

881
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think you brought you talked about

882
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: this the Kansas City Chiefs when they were miking them,

883
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: those players were like, you know, when they won that

884
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl post Tyreek Hiller like we just want we

885
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: barely even know the defense. Like the following year, it's like,

886
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, so it's One of the things Jimmy Owa's

887
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: preached was you've got to have player. You cannot develop

888
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: players if they're not willing learners, if they're not willing

889
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: to put the time in with the playbook, with the schemes.

890
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: You need fast thinkers. And so he just wasn't about

891
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: getting players. I mean, he told me, those Miami teams,

892
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: he go, Colin, we struggled to get elite offensive linemen.

893
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: You know, he goes.

894
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: You know, places like New Jersey would have four or

895
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: five of those guys. He goes, we struggled to convince

896
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: them to come down to Miami. They're like, well, is

897
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: that a good school, And he's like, yes, he said. So,

898
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, people forget that those Miami teams weren't stacked.

899
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: We weren't getting five star guys in the offensive line.

900
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: He goes, But our guys developed. And it's just I

901
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: got to tell you. If you're in your twenties, you

902
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: do not remember Jimmy Johnson's Miami Hurricanes, but they were.

903
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: You had to watch them when they played the big

904
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: games Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, Penn State. They had

905
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: they were the run in Rebels with Tark with Stacy

906
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: Augman and Larry Johnson. They were like outlaws in their

907
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: own sense, and it was unbelievable television.

908
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: I'd even say the Cowboys team he built, you know,

909
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: I mean we argue this a lot with could these

910
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: players play now or play before? I mean that offensive

911
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: line that just road graded for Emmon Smith with Troy,

912
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: with Michael Irvin, that offense was just I mean with

913
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 2: North Turner, who was really like a Sean McVay Kyle

914
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Shanahan thirty years ago as an offensive coordinator. I mean

915
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman still squares by him, but building that team,

916
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: I mean that move he made to then accumulate. And

917
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: this is back in the day, Like we don't have

918
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: this really anymore because there's a clear line of like

919
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 2: coach and GM, they kind of work together. These gms

920
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: are also famous, Like he was the GM, right, he

921
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: was the coach the GM, And that's what pissed Jerry off,

922
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: which I would say is one of the more famous

923
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: front office breakups in at least in my lifetime, Jimmy

924
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: Johnson and the forty nine ers kicking out Jim Harbaugh. Essentially,

925
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: it felt like those two huge personalities that you just

926
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: don't win. Like you get rid of a coach, people

927
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: are they will side with the coach who's a championship

928
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: level guy every single time. But I just remember those

929
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: Cowboys teams being so And the other thing is I

930
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: think people like big personalities or party guys. I mean

931
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: those Cowboy teams had they were run like a cocaine

932
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: ring with strippers and stuff. But even Dion, you know,

933
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: a huge personality. I remember asking Bobby April, who was

934
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: a special teams coordinator with the Atlanta Falcons in the

935
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties, about Dion. He said, listen, Deane

936
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: shooting music videos. He's doing all this stuff. He was

937
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: always the guy sitting in the front of you know,

938
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: our meeting. He learned anything I'd give him, he would

939
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: pick up like that. And on the practice field, I've

940
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: never seen a guy work harder. So I think sometimes

941
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: these old school guys because like, oh Michael Jordan was

942
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: drinking all the time, we'll get on the practice court

943
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: with him. Oh Michael Irvin hasn't slept, Lawrence Taylor hasn't

944
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: slept well. Then practice starts like they are. There is

945
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: no rep off, there's no low management with these guys.

946
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: Different breed, you know, different time, different breed. But when

947
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: I think of those teams, I just think of like

948
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: you could put those teams right now in twenty twenty

949
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: five and they would wreck shop.

950
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are you know, it's funny Lawrence Taylor, A,

951
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, and Michael Irvin. I've always I've known guys,

952
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: not many, but I've known a handful of guys that

953
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: they're just wired different. They got different genetics, and they

954
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: can play thirty six holes of golf in South Carolina

955
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: and August and go out and party till midnight and

956
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: they're up at six and they can do it like

957
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:33,959
Speaker 1: four straight days.

958
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: I do it once. I'm wrecked.

959
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean, some people need less sleep. You know, some

960
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: people do not need three or four you know, Kobe

961
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: Bryant was notorious, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Andy Reid, Like,

962
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: these guys aren't sleeping eight nine out. They don't need it.

963
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: I need eight hours to function more in mind to work.

964
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

965
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: By the way, I was talking about this, We'll wrap

966
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: with this and again we have Marcus Thompson, who covers

967
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: the Warriors later this week. Michael Mulvahill, who does research

968
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: and analytics for Fox. Will be on later this week.

969
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: He's I bring him on once a year. He's got

970
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: great insight and every time I bring him on, people

971
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: just love Mike Moulhill.

972
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: So he'll be on later this week.

973
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: I'd say there's not a human alive beside in the

974
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Curry family that knows Steph better and probably as a

975
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: closer relationship with Steph Curry than Marcos tops.

976
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's mad, a great storyteller, such a good dude.

977
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: So as you know, I'm moving some of my operations

978
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: to Chicago, and you know what I've found really funny

979
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: And listen, I don't my wife was not a fan

980
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: of LA, but we both.

981
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: I like LA.

982
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: I love California. I love Californians. I'm gonna move to Chicago.

983
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: Don't love the weather, but whatever. But you know about

984
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: the traffic, the taxes, the Yeah, I mean, listen, it's

985
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: it's a big city. It's I compare it to Rome.

986
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's a lot, it's spread out, it's it

987
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: could take you two hours to drive across town. Yeah,

988
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: the taxes are expensive. I lived in Connecticut. Taxes weren't

989
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: cheap there. I like California I like people. There's a

990
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: lot I like about it. But we have a place

991
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: in the birds in Chicago. But it was funny. You know,

992
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: people will come up, but why are you moving here?

993
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just say, yeah, you know, my wife's

994
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: got family here. I found myself this weekend defending California

995
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: and I said this to somebody. I said, listen, you

996
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: ever been on Google? Ever watched Netflix? You ever watch YouTube?

997
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: You ever used docu sign? And I started naming these companies.

998
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're all California founded and based, and there's

999
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: a lot of smart people that built those and despite

1000
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: the taxes and regulations, they still built. Like the six

1001
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: of the ten biggest companies in America are California based.

1002
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: And it's funny you live in California and there's so

1003
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: much I love about it. I do think it's outrageously expensive,

1004
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: and I do think there's a lot of waste, and

1005
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: the politics can get very wacky and Sacramento. But I

1006
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: thought of you when I defended him. After I thought,

1007
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask middle Coff. You moved out of California

1008
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: and you're happy getting married soon, You're very very happy.

1009
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 1: How do you look at leaving California. Do you miss

1010
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: it ever?

1011
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: No, I think it's the best move I've ever made

1012
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: without hesitation in my adult life. I would say there

1013
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: is a big difference between southern California and northern California. Yeah,

1014
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean you can get a lot more sun than

1015
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,959
Speaker 2: we got up there, and the prices are the same

1016
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: and depend on where it could be. Palo Alto in

1017
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: some of these areas Danville, I mean are most expensive

1018
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: areas in like the world. Yeah, so you factor in

1019
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: a lot of that. I do wonder big picture with California. Listen.

1020
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: I got a brother who has a farming operation, like

1021
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: he's gonna He's thirty five years old. He'll be there

1022
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: the rest of his life. My mother lives there, my

1023
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: friends and family live there. I go back there to

1024
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: see these people. I do wonder Silicon Valley, which I

1025
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: would say change the state financially, put it in a

1026
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: different stratugy here those companies that you go back to,

1027
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, Apple and the companies in the eighties and

1028
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: nineties that have taken off. And listen, I have a

1029
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: lot of friends. When I graduated from cal it was

1030
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: seven eight range. A lot of my friends went to

1031
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: work in northern California for startup companies that turn or

1032
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: early iterations of the facebooks right or you know Oracle

1033
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: as it was really taken off in these companies and

1034
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: they have financially the windfall that they've had at through

1035
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: their thirties is you know, like being a backup point guard.

1036
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: I mean, some of these it's been incredible. Are these

1037
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: companies in twenty twenty five? You know the version of

1038
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: Facebook or whoever going to start in Silicon Valley give

1039
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: it how expensive it is to run your business there

1040
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: and get people to come. And I just wonder, I mean,

1041
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: you see what's happening in Florida, in Texas, in Vegas

1042
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: and here in Arizona that it is so much more

1043
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: lucrative if I was going to start a company the

1044
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: version of what these have become. And that's the mindset

1045
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: of all these people in Silicon Valley. It is so

1046
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: much cheaper just to do it in Austin or in

1047
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: Miami or And I just wonder, big pick sure the

1048
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley shift. I mean, you've seen it with Hollywood,

1049
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: right that the movies, at least to my knowledge and

1050
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: reading articles, are not shot there like they once were

1051
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: right because it's so much cheaper. I have a buddy

1052
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: that listens to this podcast that is the lead in

1053
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: suits La. They shot that thing in Canada.

1054
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah right, No, No, I just.

1055
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: Wonder, now there's historically there's always shifts back and forth. Yeah,

1056
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 2: and you and I've spent time. You spent more time.

1057
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: But I live in Philly for a couple of years.

1058
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: I do feel like the wiring of those people. It

1059
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: goes back and forth too. But they will draw a

1060
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: hard line in the sand. Yeah, in California. I don't

1061
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: know if you could ever get the complete pullback. I

1062
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: don't know it's gonna be. It's gonna be a huge,

1063
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to say experiment, but it's gonna be

1064
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: fascinating to watch over the next ten years. Can they

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: shift back because they're gonna have to to keep these coming?

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Speaker 2: They have the Apples, the Facebook's and oracles that they are.

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00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: They're there, But what about the new versions of these

1068
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: companies over the next twenty thirty to fifty years. Will

1069
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: they start and grow and come to fruition under their watch?

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00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: Or they have being in Vegas or in Dallas, Texas,

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00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: or in Glendale, Arizona, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's it's a good point. We

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00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: we thought five years ago that all these companies like

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00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: Apple and Meta were far left, and to your point,

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00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: they drew a line in the sand, and those guys

1076
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: were all sitting down with Elon Musk, you know, Inauguration Day,

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00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: like front and center making a statement. So I think

1078
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: with big business there's always a line in the sand.

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Speaker 3: People.

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: I've said this before. You know, Bob Iger privately of

1081
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: Disney is more conservative than he is publicly because he

1082
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: runs an entertainment company and you kind of have to

1083
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: lean left publicly, but privately you have to do business.

1084
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: You know, you have you know, there's decisions you have

1085
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: to make that you're not going to announce.

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00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: But you know, it's just interesting.

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Speaker 1: As I was, I was talking about California and and

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00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: and you know my life. My wife wasn't a big

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00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: fan of Los Angeles, my son wasn't. It's okay, I mean,

1090
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: it's just a big city. But it is interesting when

1091
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: when you say you're from California to people outside of California, man,

1092
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: they have strong opinions. It's almost like the NBA, like

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00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: people don't even have to watch the NBA. They're going

1094
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: to give their opinion of the NBA. And that's how

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00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: I feel when I'm in the Midwest. How California is.

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00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: People have been to it twice once It's Disneyland when

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00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: they were eight, and they got a big opinion on it.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, a lot of people in my life, I would say,

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00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: live in the greater San Francisco area, yeah, and have

1100
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 2: for a long period of time and live good lives.

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Speaker 2: I do think they would be shocked to hear the

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00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: common theme the way humans talk about San Francisco. I

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00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: would say San Francisco is a more polarizing conversation in Chicago,

1104
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: in Kansas City and than Los Angeles'. Yeah, yeah, right.

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00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: I would say San Francisco right now is probably viewed

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00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: by the average dude as the most toxic place in

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00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: America in terms of just polarizing of crazy listeness.

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Speaker 1: I went to a Super Bowl in San Francisco. I

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00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: stayed at the Mark Hotel, which is like on top

1110
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: of a hill. And again, I think people listen to me.

1111
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a moderate independent. I can lean left

1112
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: on social stuff right on fiscal stuff. I didn't walk

1113
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: around much at night, and this was is that eight

1114
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: years ago? Like I remember being there seventeen. Yeah, I

1115
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 1: remember being there and thinking this is not the same place,

1116
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: at least not in this neighborhood.

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00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: And I went to the.

1118
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: Same restaurant twice, the same piano bar twice. And no,

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00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, listen, I'm I'm not somebody that just

1120
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm not somebody that listens to a lot of conservative

1121
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: radio and I'm not here with the talking points. But

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00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: it's been really fascinating for me to you know, moving

1123
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: some operation to Chicago and listening to people have an

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00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: opinion on California, and you know a lot of times

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00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: I just I just consume it. I'm fascinated, but it

1126
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: is Boy, do people have an opinion.

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: Man. I think the other thing people would be shocked

1128
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: about is the amount of money that your average employer,

1129
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: as some of these places at Facebook and Oracle that

1130
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: are my age right late thirties, early forties make I mean,

1131
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: it's the money there. And this is why listen, a

1132
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: lot of my friends don't love definitely the politics there,

1133
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 2: and you know, they have young children in the school system.

1134
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: Things can be really wacky, but it's really hard to

1135
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: find eight hundred thousand dollars jobs. You know, when you're

1136
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: a state school graduate, you know at these places that

1137
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: you've been at for a long time, and you know

1138
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: these the companies. You know, for my generation that graduated

1139
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: into the financial crisis, the boom of Silicon Valley changed

1140
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people in my world's life. Now I'm

1141
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: working in football making nothing as they are just taking

1142
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: off like a rocket ship. And one thing I've heard

1143
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: over the last I would say, six months, is they

1144
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: are laying people off constantly. They go, what do you there?

1145
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: They're doing the elim So what do you do? You know,

1146
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: because you start, you lay off ten employees, you could

1147
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: be you know, if they average compensation seven hundred and

1148
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, they can add up pretty fast. Yeah.

1149
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: And you know, as they got so big that you

1150
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: weren't paying at ten over the last couple of years,

1151
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: I think and listen, Elon takes a lot of shit.

1152
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: When he bought Twitter, he basically did, what's everyone doing here?

1153
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: This place isn't making any money? And secretly, I think

1154
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: everyone else in Silicon Valley kind of was able to

1155
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: fall suit, like six months later, much quieter.

1156
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a friend that works at Meta. Two

1157
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: friends that work at Meta, and over the last three years,

1158
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg has gone into hyper efficiency mode, like he is.

1159
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: Just every meeting that's what they discuss. So yeah, I

1160
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: think people look at elon, but I think it's a

1161
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: trend in that part of that sector and that part

1162
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: of the country is we got big, broad, sloppy and

1163
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: layers of bureaucracy. We're getting out of it. And so

1164
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: it's anyway, it's just it's our last topic today. John

1165
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 1: Middlikoff three announced the podcast as a former Californian who

1166
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: kicked to the curb and is now golfing in December

1167
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: and Scottsdale and loving life.

1168
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 2: Okay, take it easy, all.

1169
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Speaker 3: Right, buddy.

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Speaker 2: The volume