WEBVTT - Part One: The Reichstag Fire Was Not An Inside Job

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media, Hello, and welcome to cool People do

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<v Speaker 1>goes really badly sometimes like today's story. But we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get to that, but first, I'm your host, Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>Kiljoy and my guest is Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi. Carl, it's so cool to be back. Every time

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know, but I'm there, so here

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<v Speaker 2>I am. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Famously, I like to not tell my guests what we're

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here as well, also, Carl, as someone who books

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<v Speaker 1>the guests, your response time and enthusiasm is always appreciated.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very It makes my job so easy, so thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>It lets you know that I'm jitimate about what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyone who doesn't know Carl and his work. Carl

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<v Speaker 1>runs in Range TV and it's really good. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain what that means?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you, I appreciate that. So in Range TV

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<v Speaker 2>is ostensibly a firearms related media project, but I actually

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<v Speaker 2>wrote this little paragraph to like describe my channel better

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<v Speaker 2>because it's hard to describe kind of So I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>I considered a media community building project. But one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that differentiates us from like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the other firearms stuff in the world is that we're

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<v Speaker 2>actively anti racist, pro human liberation and staunchly for LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 2>weird space in firearms land. So it's been an interesting walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of the things that's come up over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again on this show is how groups of people

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<v Speaker 1>are disarmed before they're murdered in mass.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and that's the challenge I have with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people that are like not necessarily firearms people already,

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<v Speaker 2>especially people that are like left of center. Whatever that means,

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<v Speaker 2>is that we don't talk about the realities of that

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<v Speaker 2>that firearms have been used so many times to oppress,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of times where fire has been

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<v Speaker 2>used to liberate and we leave that out of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's complicated and kind of not what we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about today, but it's tangentially related to what

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about today, because well, first of

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<v Speaker 1>do the rest of the introductions, the auto engineering is

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<v Speaker 1>done by Daniel. Everyone's just to say hi to Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Danel Hi, Daniel, I said hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I was muted. Sorry Daniel Hi Danel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's right, okay, And our theme music is written

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<v Speaker 1>for ud by Unwoman. This week, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about one of the most famous and misunderstood direct actions

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<v Speaker 1>in history. And I want to start with a thought experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's think about John Brown. This is not a John

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<v Speaker 1>Brown episode. The pop history version of John Brown is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's like a bit of a zealot who goes

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<v Speaker 1>to war against slavery without the support of anyone and

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<v Speaker 1>he loses.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The actual historical version of him is that he's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a zealot who went to war against slavery

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<v Speaker 1>with the backing of a multi racial and cross class

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<v Speaker 1>alliance of abolitionists. He individually lost has lost his life famously.

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<v Speaker 1>The media spectacle around his trial is more or less

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<v Speaker 1>what sparked the South to attempt secession and therefore sparked

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War and therefore brought the end of legal

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<v Speaker 1>chattel slavery in one of the most powerful slave empires

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<v Speaker 1>the world has ever known. So John Brown died and

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<v Speaker 1>then won. It happens that way sometimes, right, Okay, my

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<v Speaker 1>thought experiment, and it's I don't want to linger on

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<v Speaker 1>it too long, but imagine for a moment if the

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<v Speaker 1>South had won the Civil War, Imagine how history would

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<v Speaker 1>look at John Brown. Probably my argument is that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people would accuse him of either being an

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<v Speaker 1>unwitting friend of the South, or they might accuse him

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<v Speaker 1>of having been an agent of the South doing like

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<v Speaker 1>a false flag attack, since, after all, his actions spurred

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<v Speaker 1>the growth of the Confederacy. They absolutely did. His actions

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<v Speaker 1>spurred the growth of the Confederacy. They just were immediately smashed. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not immediately. It took a lot of work and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people died doing it. But so that's my argument.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if that tracks with y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>But that makes a lot of sense because now when

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<v Speaker 2>we see John Brown, and that's actually very timely because

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<v Speaker 2>not very long ago. I did the whole episode series

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<v Speaker 2>about John Brown and got a really deep dived dove

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<v Speaker 2>into that conversation. And of course you see people now

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<v Speaker 2>that are well, not my people, but they'll say things

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<v Speaker 2>where they call him a terrorist and he was this

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<v Speaker 2>evil man that killed lots of innocent people and all

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<v Speaker 2>the things. And there's some truth to that. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't kill some probably innocent people. But the fact is,

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<v Speaker 2>if you flip that on the side, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was the other way around, then the Confederacy won. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the narrative of him being the agent provocateur that instigated

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<v Speaker 2>the battle that allowed them to be victorious in their

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote war for states rights would make a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sense. He would be, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>That's weird. I haven't thought about it, yeah, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to think about it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and it's not fun to think about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's other times in place. Okay, So other white abolitionists

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<v Speaker 1>did not act like John Brown. Now, plenty of black

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<v Speaker 1>abolitionists led slaver volts, of course, right, other white people

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<v Speaker 1>didn't act like John Brown because they thought in their

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<v Speaker 1>way that being strategic, as they understood it was more

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<v Speaker 1>important than doing what is immediately a moral necessity. It

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<v Speaker 1>is obvious in retrospect that it is a moral necessity

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<v Speaker 1>to attack slave empires with all available vigor.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I mean I think John Brown and others

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<v Speaker 2>said this that were more of his mindset, which was

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't bring the violence. The violence was already here, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>But this idea of just financially supporting and slightly bumping

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<v Speaker 2>the Overton window, well maybe it would have worked over

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<v Speaker 2>a couple hundred years. Maybe, but how many people's lives

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<v Speaker 2>are ruined and how much horror happens in those couple

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<v Speaker 2>of hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Years, right, totally. And you know, there had been efforts

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<v Speaker 1>around the birth of the I mean, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do a whole long series about the abolitionists at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked a lot about on the show already. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all these points to like slowly phase it out, right, like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they theoretically shut down the trans Atlantic slave trade,

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<v Speaker 1>and they like, we're like, oh, only people who are

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<v Speaker 1>born here can be enslaved, and then you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then later they were like, well you can keep the

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<v Speaker 1>guys you already own, but then maybe their kids are

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, people talked about all kinds of shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a lot of people, including a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved people and formerly enslaved people, were like, no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to shoot you until this problem stops. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think people often misunderstand the difference between moral

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<v Speaker 1>and strategic action, and what is actually strategic is more

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<v Speaker 1>or less unknowable. You can make some guesses right in

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<v Speaker 1>the short term, you tend not to know. We can

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<v Speaker 1>look at it in retrospect and immediately know. We can

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<v Speaker 1>Monday morning quarterback. I'm good at sports. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say is that most attacks are not

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<v Speaker 1>false flag attacks. Claiming that something was a false flag attack,

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue, and I'm going to explain why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this in a minute, but I would argue,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the refuge of people who are afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>do what they know is right. Time and time again.

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<v Speaker 1>Often we're like, oh, that person did a thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was a bad idea. So clearly the other side

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<v Speaker 1>did it as a way to excuse the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they have not taken meaningful action. So all that up front,

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<v Speaker 1>I told you it's gonna be paragraphs before I would

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what we're talking about. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the biggest and most famous quote unquote false flag

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<v Speaker 1>attack in all of history, the one that is used

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<v Speaker 1>as shorthand for an attack that authoritarians used to centralize power.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this week on Cool People Did Cool Stuff, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the fucking Reichstag Fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's the one, ain't it. That's the one that

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly that's the biggest false flag of all that justified

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<v Speaker 2>the Enabling Act and all the things that Hitler used

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<v Speaker 2>to turn it into a true dictatorship. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious what you all. I've been asking my friends

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<v Speaker 1>this all week, Like Carl, I suspect you you know

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about this topic, but coming into it, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you all know about the Reichstag Fire. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>both of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean, my basic understanding is you have this

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<v Speaker 2>little Dutch boy, I believe his name was vander Lub.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm pronouncing that properly, is that correct?

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<v Speaker 1>And I have it later in my script how to

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce it, but I don't have in front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was. If it's a mispronunciation, we'll fix that later,

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<v Speaker 2>but the narrative was that his zealotry towards the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>would have said, his zelotry against their democratically elected government

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<v Speaker 2>was that he proved him so that he was that

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<v Speaker 2>the radicals of the left and the communists would burn

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<v Speaker 2>down this symbol of the nation state and their power

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<v Speaker 2>by setting fire to the Reichstag. Yeah. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of that would be, these are fascists and Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>and evil, and I'm going to burn down the symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of their power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean it makes sense, right, And when

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<v Speaker 2>you open the door to that thing, much like you

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<v Speaker 2>great reference to John Brown, you don't know what's coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of the other. Like John Brown's actions at Harper's

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<v Speaker 2>Ferry didn't go the way he wanted, but ultimately it worked, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, coming out of the gate, you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about the Reichshtag fire, heard anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm going to boldly just be honest and say, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know anything about this great No, No that

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense other than it was like almost like the

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<v Speaker 3>first shot fire that started like at all, that's all

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<v Speaker 3>I really know. It was just like the Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 3>of those big events in history books that you learn

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<v Speaker 3>about and then I forget about mutually. But audience members,

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<v Speaker 3>if you are like me, feel no shame. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know anything ever either.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was like that a week ago, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago, I was like, oh, the Reichstag fire,

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<v Speaker 1>that thing that was famously a false flag attack that

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis used. It's like all I knew, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then at some point I was like, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>who did that, and I like looked it up and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this isn't the story I've heard, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I had it I like to do list and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's funny because I always come

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<v Speaker 1>in and be like I know everything about history, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, I know everything about the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I have just spent the past week reading books about.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair. That's fair. What we learn in school is

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<v Speaker 3>so truncated, and so unless you really do your own research,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to learn much about the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think it's a mixed bag, right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>truncated and it's also formulated, so it's like it's the

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<v Speaker 2>product of what a lot of people, over a long

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<v Speaker 2>time have wanted you to learn, right, But it's also

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<v Speaker 2>just they just leave out a lot of stuff. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I don't know if it's a sin of emission

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally or just accidental, but the landscape turns into not

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<v Speaker 2>really what it is. When you dig into stuff, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like WHOA really? Wow? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm going to give you a little spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason that so many people think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>false flag attack is because nineteen thirties communists are a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of homophobes.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to defend that thesis, although much later

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Love what Margaret defend the thesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that part was like, that was the like holy

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<v Speaker 1>shit moment of this whole thing for me, because most

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<v Speaker 1>leftist history doesn't want to talk about that part for

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<v Speaker 1>some weird reason. So we're going to start this story

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<v Speaker 1>by talking about the rise of the Nazis, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I needed a refresher. I didn't know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it. We're going to start more recently than

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<v Speaker 1>we sometimes do. During World War One. Germany was a

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<v Speaker 1>strange thing. It was a constitutional empire. It had twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five states, four kingdoms, five duchies, seven principalities, three free

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<v Speaker 1>Hanseatic cities, and one imperial territory, and a partridge in

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<v Speaker 1>a pear tree. One of the four kingdoms was Prussia,

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<v Speaker 1>which made up about two thirds of Germany by both

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<v Speaker 1>population and land mass. The King of Prussia was also

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<v Speaker 1>the emperor, the Kaiser. This is the second Reich, right

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's famously the third Reich. This is the second one.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a constitution and a parliament, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the y, the Kaiser's in charge. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fourteen, the German parliament did its first enabling act,

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<v Speaker 1>like Karl talked about earlier, and this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>one it did under its constitution to limit basic rights

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<v Speaker 1>of the populace to help the war effort. They're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a war on. We can't have all those democracy

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<v Speaker 1>fucking things up, you know, like people only have freedom

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<v Speaker 1>when like I feel like it. Basically, the constitution had

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<v Speaker 1>a we will follow this constitution until we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to clause, well, until the Kaiser doesn't want to. Famously,

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<v Speaker 1>this did not work. Germany still lost the war, the

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<v Speaker 1>Great War, in fact, and the empire collapsed in November

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighteen. A Republic grew up in its place. First,

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<v Speaker 1>they tried to have a revolution. They actually tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do like a kind of a communist revolution that a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of anarchists were involved in. And I'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it eventually one of these days. And B Traven who

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<v Speaker 1>wrote The Death Ship and the Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen the movie this Treasure of Sera Madre?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well never mind, you all didn't grow up with

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<v Speaker 1>an older sister made you watch old movies. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>this old movie called Treasure Sier Madre. The point of

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<v Speaker 1>this is that the guy who wrote this book, you

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<v Speaker 1>all don't know what I'm talking about, was an anarchist

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<v Speaker 1>who had fled Germany. But we'll talk about that some

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<v Speaker 1>other time. He lived under cover.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it a good movie? Should I add it to

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<v Speaker 3>my letterbox?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Watch list?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like, it's interesting if you like old movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fun, it has class politics. It's like weird because

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<v Speaker 1>it's these like white dudes who are down and out

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico who want to go gold prospecting, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>like vagabonds living on the street and they're like hustling

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<v Speaker 1>all the rich white people who are there by being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>help a fellow American. Now, just buy me a cigarette,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy's like, you've asked me like three times.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like cock crap. Anyway, So Betraving, one day you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the hero of this story because you

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<v Speaker 1>were so fascinating. That's not how we're talking about. They

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<v Speaker 1>become a republic after the revolution fails. They become the

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<v Speaker 1>Weimar Republic, and we've done a bunch of episodes about

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<v Speaker 1>the Vymar Republic because they're really fucking interesting and cool.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all these like queer youth groups that are fighting nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've done episodes about the a narcosyndicalists who ran

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of illegal abortion clinics, providing millions of safe abortions

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<v Speaker 1>in Weimar Germany. If you wanted an abortion, you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to either the syndicalists or the people who syndicalists trained.

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<v Speaker 1>The Weimar Republic was a wildly interesting place. Everyone as

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<v Speaker 1>hungry as fuck. The reparations that they had to pay

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of countries is crippling the economy, and a

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<v Speaker 1>million types of leftists and right wing folks are forming

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<v Speaker 1>gangs and fighting each other in the streets. People are

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<v Speaker 1>making all kinds of cool art. Human sexuality is being

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<v Speaker 1>researched for the first time in Western history, like as

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<v Speaker 1>like a science. And the way it worked governmentally is

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<v Speaker 1>like this. You have an elected president and you have

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<v Speaker 1>an elected parliament, which is called the Reichstag, which just

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<v Speaker 1>stands for Parliament of the Empire. Basically, the parliament meets

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<v Speaker 1>in a building that is also called the Reichstag. The

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<v Speaker 1>president then appoints a chancellor who introduces legislation to the reichstock.

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<v Speaker 1>So the chancellor is a poin. Everyone else is elected,

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<v Speaker 1>and theoretically the chancellor's supposed to be the Guy's always

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. I think the person in charge of whatever group,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever political party, is the most seats in parliament, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come up. I normally kind of skim over a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this shit, but I think it's important. In

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<v Speaker 1>this story. The president can dismiss his cabinet and his chancellor.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked, Okay, so there's this thing that happens. I

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<v Speaker 1>think whenever I'm reading history about like Europe and other democracies,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so used to the way that the US works

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<v Speaker 1>that you read about things and you're like, oh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they dismiss the parliament. I'm like, what the fuck, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, what is that? Like, that's like crazy shit

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<v Speaker 1>is happening. And you're like, no, that's a this is

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<v Speaker 1>what they do, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we saw actions similar like that in France just recently, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's what yep, So it's not this is

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<v Speaker 2>still going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no totally. And that's the like, so things seem

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more heated than they sometimes are. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>things are peeded in France right now and stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like these specific actions are not quite as

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<v Speaker 1>like why old as they might seem to us in

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<v Speaker 1>our weird two party thing. He can dissolve the parliament

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<v Speaker 1>and call for new elections if the parliament isn't getting

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<v Speaker 1>shit done, right, Like if you just elect a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people who all hate each other, nothing can get done.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, all right, well, all you fucking go home.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna just do this again, you know. And in

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<v Speaker 1>national emergencies, the president has Article forty eight, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the right to be a dictator. So this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>not wait, what the right to be that's like a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>uh huh, it's in the constitution of Germany in the

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<v Speaker 1>Weimar Republic, because well it's kind of the same constitution

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<v Speaker 1>that they had in the Empire. Like when I say

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<v Speaker 1>all that's changed, I have not read these documents side

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<v Speaker 1>by side. But all that's changed is now your emperor

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<v Speaker 1>is elected, you know, because he's still appointing the chancellor.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still able to call himself a dictator anytime he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>The only difference is that he's elected again. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there's other differences. And among all these different political groups

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<v Speaker 1>that's fucking around trying to take power is famously the

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<v Speaker 1>National Socialist Workers Party aka the Nazis. This for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time, is a tiny minority party. Their main

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<v Speaker 1>claim to fame is that their leader this like shitty

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<v Speaker 1>artist named Adolf Hitler. Most people haven't heard of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's really obscure artist. Is my best joke I have

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole script. Sorry everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very hipster stuff. I mean, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen it, it's yeah, it's pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's got that weird, edgy mustache. He's got Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Chaplin like, he's funny. He tried and failed to stage

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<v Speaker 1>a coup in nineteen twenty three. That's like all anyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows about the Nazis. It's like, I mean, they're like

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<v Speaker 1>the Proud Boys or something. People are like, what, there's

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<v Speaker 1>that group. I don't know. They seem to do some

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<v Speaker 1>bad shit. There's like ten of them, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason that they're named the National Socialists is

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<v Speaker 1>that they're a right wing party that is supernationalist. But

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<v Speaker 1>initially they had some anti capitalist and anti bourgeois ideas

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<v Speaker 1>floating round within it, much like you see in the

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<v Speaker 1>Modern Republican Party where RNC this week as we recorded

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago, as you're listening, they're up there being

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<v Speaker 1>like and fuck the elite, am I right? And then

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<v Speaker 1>like all the richest people in the world are like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck us, no, some other guy Jews, I mean they

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<v Speaker 1>mean Jews, right, That's.

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<v Speaker 2>What it always comes down to. Yeah, But see they're socialists.

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<v Speaker 2>They just proved their point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so they were actually borrowing some ideas from leftism,

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<v Speaker 1>many of which are ideas that we should analyze and

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how we talk about, right, because this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways that anti Semitism creeps into some things

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes is when whatever all the left Nazis are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get murdered soon. They're all dead. By the time everything happens,

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<v Speaker 1>they all get fucking killed by the other Nazis. So

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<v Speaker 1>no more left Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>The Night of the Long Knives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no more gay Nazis. Whatever. After the failed coup,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler was like, all right, how can I take power

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<v Speaker 1>in a legal way? And what he should have done

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<v Speaker 1>is run political ads, which we don't run on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some lines, and one of our lines is

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't do political ads. If you hear one,

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<v Speaker 1>it is actually a mistake. Instead of usually where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're ad for anything bad, it's a mistake, Like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>everything is bad. We live in a hell world of capitalism.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least there's no political ads coming up. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope here they are the non political ads. Ooh, we're back,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to vote with my dollar for gambling

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<v Speaker 1>whatever we sold.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I subsist entirely on only Hello Fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only way I stay a lout.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's right, you heard it here first.

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<v Speaker 2>If a company doesn't send me a box of food

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<v Speaker 2>to my door, I just die. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I tried one or not. I'm not gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>which one. I tried it, and then I felt so

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<v Speaker 1>bad about the waste of the like box that had

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking thing, and then and all of the yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also like I live like like mail service

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<v Speaker 1>is not fast where I live. It's not even that

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<v Speaker 1>I live like so far from civilization. It's that I

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<v Speaker 1>live in a really underserved area because no one cares

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<v Speaker 1>about the people who live here because they're rural and

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<v Speaker 1>poor and so like everything takes like a week to

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<v Speaker 1>get here, and it's more like hello on fresh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that's not the even the one I used. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not the one I used. Please don't get mad at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, been sitting in the back of the truck sweating

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<v Speaker 2>for a week.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I go to the grocery store, which is good.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is only nominally better, right, I mean, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>this sells green ones, but now it's a little wilted.

0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And also all the weird packaging is not I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, that's that's that's done for you. They throw

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<v Speaker 2>that away so you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Actually I shred all the cardboard and

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<v Speaker 1>then compost it. But that's because I am strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's a good way to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, they used to burn it and know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's legal. I used to recycle

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<v Speaker 1>it all. I used to drive it to another state

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<v Speaker 1>to recycle it. That's what I'm going to claim. No

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<v Speaker 1>one here does that, absolutely, no one here does that.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't recycle cardboard where I live, I don't. Recycling's fake?

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<v Speaker 2>Do they even know what recycling is? I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>some places, don't I know.

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<v Speaker 1>They might just be a step ahead and know that

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<v Speaker 1>it's all fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is an instance in which the wrong take

0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 2>is the right take because they're skeptical of it. It

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<v Speaker 2>turns out they're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, what else people should be skeptical of is the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>There's actually no you should actually just kill them. So

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<v Speaker 1>they got really into party politics after their failed coup

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't work. They were like, all right, what's the legal

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<v Speaker 1>way to take power again? Something that we have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea about people trying to do in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>And so they campaigned on a platform that's like fuck

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<v Speaker 1>Commi's fuck Jews, go Germany. That's their main points of unity. Specifically,

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 1>they're like, fuck everyone who signed the Treaty of Si

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>they're traders. Germany should have won, should have just kept

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 1>sending boys into a grinder that no one can see.

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<v Speaker 1>The face I'm making, but it's not a positive one.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say it wasn't a big deal of

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<v Speaker 1>a party at the time, in nineteen twenty eight, they

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<v Speaker 1>had one hundred thousand members. There's like sixty five million

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<v Speaker 1>people in Germany. They had one hundred thousand of them

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<v Speaker 1>and they won two point six percent of the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>But then the.

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<v Speaker 1>World economy fucking collapsed. Thirty percent of Germany was soon unemployed.

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.680
<v Speaker 1>And when the economy is fucked, people look for easy answers.

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 1>They're looking for people to blame. By nineteen thirty, the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis had eighteen point three percent of the vote and

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<v Speaker 1>they were the second biggest party after the Social Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>The Communist Party also saw a huge burst of activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Two they're trailing at ten percent of the vote. When

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<v Speaker 1>Weimar the Republic first started out, they had a moderate

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<v Speaker 1>Social Democrat for president. This is the whole thing that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>really confusing because if you use any political term, you

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<v Speaker 1>mean a completely different thing decade to decade in country

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to country. Right, a social democrat in Germany is like

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.120
<v Speaker 1>a centrist. A social democrat in Germany is a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a democrat. Now in the US, right they have

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<v Speaker 1>his moderate social democrat for a president, but that guy

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<v Speaker 1>died in office. So in nineteen twenty five, the right

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<v Speaker 1>all got together to run one candidate together, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>Paul von Hindenberg, most famous for blowing up as a limp.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they named the balloon after the zeppr No, I know,

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>but he was a famous general that got lots of

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<v Speaker 2>people killed in the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was. I think he was in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>Germany and World War One. You know more about this,

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. He was pretty much like their military head,

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<v Speaker 2>for lack of a better term, And so the general

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<v Speaker 2>German war effort was Hindenburg down. Wow. Okay, I mean

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 2>you said you still had the Kaiser Wilhelm, right, but

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 2>like Hindenburg was the military arm of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So this guy who had famously lost them a

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<v Speaker 1>war and gotten all of their kids killed. They voted

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<v Speaker 1>into office in nineteen twenty five and he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a political party, which is kind of that part's impressive.

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>He ran as an independent, but it's because he didn't

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.239
<v Speaker 1>go with one right wing party. He was all of them.

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>He was the voice of all the right wingers. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually didn't like the Nazis, even though he is absolutely

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the one who put them into power. We'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you mean like he kind of pulled a unite

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<v Speaker 2>the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, we talk about history, completely devoid of

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<v Speaker 1>all things. It's a coincidence that I'm doing the Reichstag

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<v Speaker 1>fire episode right now. Yeah. So he's old as fuck

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>when he's elected, totally unfamiliar to the modern American audience.

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:40.680
<v Speaker 1>He's like seventy nine or something when he's elected, which

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is younger than by a young Chap Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.639
<v Speaker 1>two years younger than Biden. He didn't like the Nazis

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>all that much. He signs the government over to Hitler. Eventually,

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that. By nineteen thirty, parliament is divided

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>as fuck. It keeps not getting anything done. It's deadlocked.

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Hindenburg dissolves the parliament. There's new elections. They get dead locked.

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 1>He dissolves the parliament over and over and over again.

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.880
<v Speaker 1>They just try again roll the dice. Slowly, right wing

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>parties get their shit together and they are claiming more

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and more of parliament. In July nineteen thirty two, the

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Nazis came out on top. They had thirty seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the vote. Traditionally, the president would appoint a chancellor

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.959
<v Speaker 1>from whichever party had the most seats in parliament. Originally,

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Hindenburg was like, I don't want to do that. Hitler sucks.

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Look at his mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think even Hindenberg considered them sort of just

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<v Speaker 2>like brutal, somewhat unintelligent street thugs. Yeah, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>the general vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because they were, you know, because he's like

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>an old fashioned right wing guy. He was like, let's

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>have law and order in an emperor or whatever.

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, no, totally. So they were just these

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 2>like street thugs that were what's the word unsophisticated would

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 2>probably be the way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes sense. And it didn't help that Hitler

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>had actually just run against Hindenburg for president in the

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty two election, but Hindenburg soundly beat him. But

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the right wing of the country, all the industrialists and shit,

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>are like, come on, appoint our guy chancellor. What could

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>go wrong? Look at him, He's Hitler. Look at our

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>fake babyface. He's an artist, he's sensitive. More specifically, they

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 1>were like, we must stop this Communist menace. If we

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>don't put Hitler in charge, will be the USSR. And

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 1>this is not what would have happened in nineteen eighteen.

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>The Communist Party had some teeth at this point, they're

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>pulling in ten percent of the electorate, but they're like

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>committed to party politics. They're kind of boring. But on

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<v Speaker 1>January thirtieth, nineteen thirty three, Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler as

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<v Speaker 1>the Chancellor of Germany. And it's worth pointing out that

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 1>people always talk about people being like, well, Hitler was

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>democratically elected, and I know I'm being pedantic when I

0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>say this, but he actually wasn't. There was like later

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a thing where he forced people to vote for him.

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:09.160
<v Speaker 1>After we'll get to it. His party was the majority

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.239
<v Speaker 1>party and he was appointed chancellor. Carl, you seem no.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was just thinking. I actually made that

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<v Speaker 2>statement early on as we were recording the podcast, and

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 2>you're right, I think I don't know if i'd use

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 2>the word pedantic. But he was appointed, but appointed through

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 2>a system in which his party held the great majority,

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>so therefore it was still common and therefore by electing

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the party to their highest percentage, they sort of have

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>indirectly democratically elected Hitler. How's that?

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's true. But it's also worth understanding

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 1>that it was a plurality, not a majority. Not to

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>be like the German people were great, right, like clearly

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 1>not one of the shining moments of democracy right here

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>is when it put Hitler in power and German people

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a civil war over it.

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Right, So what was the percentage you said they held?

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 2>They held like thirty six percent of parliament or something.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>You said, yeah, thirty seven Yeah, So thirty seven.

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Percent is still a minority of the majority of people.

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 2>So Hitler getting to chancellorship is still not the will

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 2>of the greatest amount of people, right, It's just the

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>greatest majority of people who voted, right.

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, I so is the only reason Hindenburgh gave

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 3>in an appointed him chancellor because of that growing numbers?

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 3>Is that the only reason?

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Why did he change his mind on the guy?

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the pressure from the industrialist convincing

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>him that the Communists needed to be stopped, that Hitler

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>was the best chance of stopping the communist menace. That

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>is my best read on it, but I have only

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>read maybe four paragraphs about that particular thing. You know, fair, No,

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Yeah, So Hitler now in power. I

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>swear we're going to get to fun arsen and shit.

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Although it goes really badly, but it's interesting at least

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>as part of Hitler's attempt to be appointed, he was like, Hey,

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm only going to want two ministers from my party, right,

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>because like Hindenburg is like, oh, the Nazis gonna try

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and take over the Council or whatever, which is like

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the thing that advises the that isn't the parliament, you know.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>All I want is the Interior minister. And then I

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>want this guy Goring, who is the president of the

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Nazis in the Reichstag, like he's the main guy there.

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>But I want him to be a minister without portfolio,

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and I want him in charge of the Prussian cops,

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>which is the majority of the cops in the country.

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>So Hitler gets to be Chancellor and he hits the

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>ground fucking running. This is a January nineteen thirty three.

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>He is hitlering write out the box. On February twenty second,

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis created the essay the storm Troopers, made up

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>of fifty thousand Nazis, to be an auxiliary police force

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>under direct fascist control, and the new cabinet got the

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>president to dissolve the Reichstag again, and they were like,

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, we're going to get this time. You're going

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to dissolve the parliament. We're going to vote in to

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>write people. And so they call for an election on

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>March fifth, nineteen thirty three. Along the way back in

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty two, the year before, non Nazi right wingers

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>had written this kind of Remember earlier I was saying,

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>there's an article forty eight that like, hey, you can

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>just be a dictator if you want. Thing mm hmm.

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>They also wrote this thing. It's kind of in a

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>case of emergency, break glass decree that is the decree

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Reich President for the Protection of the People

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and State. And it basically was like, hey, if the

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>communists try to have a revolution, here is the plan

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>by which we will declare martial law. We will centralize

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>all authority. We will suspend the constitution, we will suspend

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>free press, free assembly, free speech, all that kind of stuff.

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>It allows for up to three months of protective custody

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of anyone suspected of doing crime. And so they just

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>like write this and then they like sit on it.

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And the fun thing about giving more power to the

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>state is that even though this wasn't the Nazis who

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>wrote this, you're giving power to whoever comes after you too.

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Like the Nazis, people.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Always forget about that the thing you do today you

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>think is cool, might have really bad ramifications later.

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's make more laws with which to criminalize people.

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 1>That's going to go really well.

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 2>And even if your guys okay right now, the next

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>guy might not be.

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>It's also interesting to note this is off a little

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>off topic, but when you talk about that act that

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>allowed them to like essentially centralize and control the state

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 2>in the case of an emergency, that similar law was

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the well a law similar to it was what they

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>tried to use an Operation Valkyrie plot, uh huh to

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>overthrow Hitler almost exactly the same sort of thing. There

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>was this protection plan. They were going to say that

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Hitler was dead, and therefore all power must be centralized,

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and they were just going to take over the state

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>from within, very similar attempt. It just didn't work.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>No, it makes sense. I mean, like, you know, you're

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>creating levers for the state and you're going to use

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it all kinds of ways. There's like all sorts of

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 1>things later about how maybe some of these laws that

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis did were unconstitutional that therefore is used to

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>like vacate people's or whatever. So the Nazis are like, Okay,

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>we're going to keep this little piece of possibility around, right,

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>We want this document around in case something happens, and

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>there are I need to act in case something happens.

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>One of their key electoral strategies is to summon up

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the boogeyman of the Communist Party to claim that the

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Communists are planning a revolution. As far as I can tell,

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the Communists were not planning a revolution. There is this

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>thing where like no one tells the truth about communists,

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>The communists don't tell the truth about communists, the anti

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>communists don't tell the truth about communists. I read like

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>eight things being like the Communists were not planning a revolution,

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>but like some of those were on like Workerspaper dot

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>org or whatever, right, you know, and like, Okay, I

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be mad at them if they were. I mean,

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I would be right because I hate tankies, but like,

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, like they're better than not whatever.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Yeah, it's like you almost have to take it

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 2>on vibes.

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And I agree with the overall consensus that

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the vibes was that they were not planning a revolution.

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>And part of that is that on February twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty three, the Nazis raided the Communist Party headquarters anyhow,

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of an election cycle, transparently trying to

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.239
<v Speaker 1>interfere with the election. And two things happened that make

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>me think the Communist weren't planning a revolution. One, they

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of rolled over and took it. Two, the Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>didn't find anything that was like, hey, we're planning a revolution,

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. And then on February twenty seventh, three days later,

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<v Speaker 1>a Council Communist which is different than a Communist party

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and oh we're going to get into it, set the

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<v Speaker 1>Reichstag on fire and everything changed pretty much for the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're going to back up and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the story of a young Dutch council communist, this week's

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<v Speaker 1>cool person who did something that turned out very badly,

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Marnus vonder Luba. And you know what Marnus vonder Luba liked.

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 1>He liked buying stuff. He did not he had no money,

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>His life was shit. He was a working class person

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>who suffered greatly on the job multiple times, who was

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>actually really cool and interesting, and he would have no

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>interest in what we're about to advertise. But here it

0:33:54.760 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>is anyway, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet if vander Luba had some of that stuff

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>we just heard about, he wouldn't have been a communist.

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I know he would have been like, I can just

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>do this instead. This is so much better than I mean. Okay,

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>if you're listening to this and you're not currently half

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>starving and disabled from workplace accidents, which might be you,

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>because that is people who are still alive and exist today,

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>then you had it better than Marnus. Marnas vonder Luba

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.439
<v Speaker 1>was born on January thirteenth, nineteen eleven, in the city

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>of Leiden in the southern Netherlands. He was born to

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of classic working class family at the time

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in that it was all fucked up. His father was

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a traveling salesman who ditched the family pretty much right off,

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>like right after he was born. His mother worked hard

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 1>as fuck. She was already a divorced woman with six

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.359
<v Speaker 1>kids before she had her little Marinus, so he has

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>got two full siblings and four half siblings I think,

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and she worked running a little shop despite being an asthmatic.

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>With the aforementioned seven children and no husband and no money,

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.280
<v Speaker 1>she's fucking impressive for a little while. She couldn't handle

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>the burden, and Marnus was placed in a boarding school

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>for poor kids and orphans. I think he gets back

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>out of that at some point. He did well in school.

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 1>His mother died when he was fucking ten years old,

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and he immediately has to start caretaking his three younger

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 1>nieces who are also part of the picture. And by

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the time he's fourteen or actually I think substantially younger

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 1>than that based on some of the other timing of

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 1>some other events. But people why be accurate when whatever

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I cross reference like eight articles and they don't agree

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:44.359
<v Speaker 1>with each other about dates. At least by fourteen, if

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>not younger, he is working to help his half sister

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>bring in money to support all the kids all the

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>while he's doing this. This man is impressive. This boy

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 1>is impressive. He keeps himself in school. He works as

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<v Speaker 1>an apprentice mason during the day and then takes evening

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>classes at night like a thirty year old would, except

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>he is fourteen years old and like whatever, and for

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>some weird reason he didn't like how the economy worked.

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>His fellow workers started teaching a Marxism, and soon enough

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>he's in this group called the Sewer, which is a

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 1>youth organization of the Dutch Communist Party. But he doesn't

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like authority, he never did and he never will, so

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>he's not always going to sit easily in the Communist Party,

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>and he keeps teaching himself on his own. He goes

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to the library. In addition to taking evening classes and

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>working all day and supporting this family when he's a child,

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>he also goes to the library and is like constantly

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>there and reading books like he's sixteen, reading Marx and

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Henry Ford.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so you're saying he's pulling himself up by his bootstraps.

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kind of.

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like.

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>He is not drowning the way that society wanted him

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 1>to you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, this guy should be destined for utter failure,

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 2>right yeah.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>At some point while he's a young mason, like I

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>read that this happened when he was thirteen, and then

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>another thing was that he whatever you've already heard me

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.959
<v Speaker 1>complain about this. At some point he is very young

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and a group of fellow workers play a practical joke

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.399
<v Speaker 1>on him. I think they were bullying him. They dump

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>a bucket on his head. Quicklime from the bucket gets

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>into his eyes. He has to go to the hospital.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>He has left with thirty percent vision in his left eye.

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>What a fun prank a hah, we sure showed you.

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the worst form of the ice bucket challenge.

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 3>But also like calling a bullying a joke, like been there,

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 3>done that?

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, it's just a joke.

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Uh No, they actually I think it's because these articles

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>are written in like the seventies, you know, they're like, ah,

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>so sad joshing around right exactly, yeah, just boys boys, yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. A famous quote from Robert E. Lee about the Klan,

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 2>that's what he called the Klan. When the Klan was

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.720
<v Speaker 2>first active, he was like, oh boys.

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you serious? Yep, I had no idea.

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's why boys should be a pol I mean, anyway,

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my part anyway. So oh my god, Mark,

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. That's my best joke. It just

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't written into my script.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 3>That was the best one so far.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, yeah. A few years later, so he's got

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent vision in his left eye. A few years later,

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 1>he's sixteen years old. And when you hear like apprentice Mason,

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>whenever I hear apprentice, I'm like, oh, you know, he's

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>like there with like an old man who has a

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:35.359
<v Speaker 1>beer and his like son, this is how you use

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 1>a trowel, right, Like, No, he's like fucking dangerously building

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 1>buildings and getting hurt and like being fucked over. When

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 1>he is sixteen years old, a job injury happens where

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 1>rubble drops into his eye, his other eye. He is

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital for months and his right eye is

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>permanently damaged. At this point and for the rest of

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>his life, his vision isn't about where he can recognize

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 1>who someone is when they're about a meter away. And

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>so I mean I think that the word for that

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is blind. But I'm not one hundred percent certain. A

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of articles refer to it as half blind. He

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.919
<v Speaker 1>might be like legally blind. Whatever. He is disabled, and

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>he keeps fucking going, partly because he has no money,

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>right and he has to. He gets some disability payments,

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>but it's not enough to support him or his siblings

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and his nieces and shit, so he keeps working every

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 1>odd job he can get. He as a teenager, he

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>is a grocery clerk, a waiter, a sailor, and of

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>course a guy who sells potatoes in the street, all

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>while he's blind enough that he can only recognize people

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.759
<v Speaker 1>a meter away. In his free time. I don't know

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:41.959
<v Speaker 1>how I have his free time. He has two things

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>he does all the time in his free time. I

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>think he just doesn't sleep. He swims and is into sports.

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like thing comes up where like there's this challenge

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>where if you swim the channel, which I think is

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the channel between like England and the mainland or whatever,

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the first dutch Man to do it is going to

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>get five thousand unit of money. That is a meaningless

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 1>thing to Margaret, probably guilders, but I don't know, because

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't write down and now I'm completely off my script,

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 1>so I'll just go back to my script. So he's

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>like into sports and he wants to go swim it.

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>But both years he's gonna do it, it's like the

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 1>weather's too dangerous and he's like, I'm gonna do it anyway,

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, no, you're not allowed. We will not

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 1>give you the money if you go swim right now.

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>The other thing he does with is copious free time

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>is he is super active in communist groups, and the

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>cops fucking hate him. He is at every demonstration and strike.

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>He is supporting unemployed workers. He is constantly arguing with

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the Communist Party because he doesn't actually like party politics

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 1>and he believes in democratic workplace, self management and direct action.

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 1>He has briefly the chairman for the local party because

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>he's like really active, and then the other guy goes

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>away for a while, and then he starts a radical

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>choir and there's like feeder and shit that he puts on.

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>He's fucking like twenty two or some shit, but he's

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>been an adult since he was like ten, so you know,

0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>by nineteen twenty nine he has resigned from the party

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>four different times, and he keeps drifting towards another position,

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 1>keep teasing you with but I'm not gonna talk about yet.

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I know you are at the edge of your seat,

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>wanting to hear what Margaret's to say about council communism.

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 1>He's a strong orator, but he's also mostly just strong.

0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>He will do things like climb up lamp posts to

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:20.919
<v Speaker 1>get a better vantage point with which to shout about

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:25.240
<v Speaker 1>workers organization. Soapbox. Fuck a soapbox, I'm a lamp poster.

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 1>He's fucking cool. I really like this guy.

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and he's doing this mostly blind. As you said,

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 2>it's it's pretty wild.

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, anyone that the cops hate like, that's

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 3>that's my guy, you know, I know he's onto something.

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, here we go.

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a recurring theme, right, you look back in history

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and if the cops hate the guy, there's probably something

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 2>cool going on.

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, true, Yeah, totally. At one point, a cop tells

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 1>him that he can't sell communist newspapers in the street,

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>so he throws the cop through a window.

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's the sickest thing I've ever heard. That's great.

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the imbligation is like picks up and throw. But

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 1>who knows so.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:02.840
<v Speaker 3>He's really that strong.

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 1>He is, like his nickname is the name of some

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>like boxer that's around at the time. He's like he's

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>like heavy set and strong and like fucking works out constantly,

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I think, and throws cops through windows for fun.

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's some strong nestor mock no vibes here. It's

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 2>like gunfights over book clubs, cops through windows over no pamphlets, right,

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:23.720
<v Speaker 2>really similar vibes, honestly.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And he goes to jail for two weeks for

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>doing this. To be fair, if it was only a

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>two week crime in the United States, I think a

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 1>lot more cops would go through a lot more windows.

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh in a heart beat, if I could throw anybody,

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>it would be a cop through window and I get

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 3>two weeks of jail.

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. I'm like I could do two weeks. Yeah. See,

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I would just retire on that, right, I'd be like,

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I just become a podcaster. I'd be like, oh, yeah,

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>welcome to cool people did cool stuff.

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>My name is MARYA.

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Kilder. You might know me from having thrown a cop

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 1>through a window fifteen years ago.

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 3>That's all you need.

0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 1>How I got this gravelly voice. Yeah, Meanwhile, he's starting

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>to realize he doesn't have much of a future in

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the Netherlands because he keeps getting kicked out of the

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:05.959
<v Speaker 1>party that he's part of. And he also the cops

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>keep putting him in jail for things, because I think

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it must be some weird Dutch law where you're not

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 1>allowed to beat up cops, because that's not the only

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>time he does it. There's a bunch of times that

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>he's like in a brawl with cops and he goes

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to jail.

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.359
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's a lot most places.

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:21.479
<v Speaker 1>Though, No, huh, you're not allowed to assault Officers's weird.

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>We pay their salary.

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was okay in Ohio or something. Yeah,

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 2>okay in Ohio.

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh probably if you're listening to this in Ohio. Wait, no,

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>never mind, it's himself now, all right. So, even though

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>he's like starting to get disillusioned with communism and socialism

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 1>as like a or he loves socialism, he's starting to

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>get disillusioned with like party communism. He really wants to

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>go to Russia. It's the country of socialism. And he's

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 1>also the other thing that he's like really concerned with

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 1>is he's concerned about the rising tide of fascism in

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>neighboring Germany. So in April nineteen thirty one this part

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I have read two accounts of, and neither one makes

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 1>sense and both poorly translate. He tried to get his

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>local communists to help him get a bunch of propaganda

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>postcards that he could sell to fund his trip, and

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:08.520
<v Speaker 1>they were like, nah, we're good, We're not gonna help

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you do that. So he is done with the party forever.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>He's like, you're not gonna fucking help me make postcards.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you.

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>That seems to be the final straw here. I've read

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that it's propaganda postcards. I've also read that it's like

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>photo postcards, and so it might be that he was

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>like trying to get equipment and maybe he's like selling

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>pictures of like himself. I don't know either way. You know,

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he's a poor vagabond who wants to do whatever he

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>can do to get some money.

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I just crossed my mind. It was

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>early OnlyFans.

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I mean I genuinely think that that as

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.479
<v Speaker 1>a possibility here, I am.

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Not certain sure, Yeah, we don't know.

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's a lot of like we're gonna talk

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>about his sexuality and whether or not I did sex work

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>later on. So he's never again a member of the

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Communist Party, and he leaves and he goes to Berlin

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and he tries to get a visa to Russia and

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, that costs a bunch of money, and

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>he's like, wait, really, but I haven't any money, and

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 1>they're like, sucks to be you. The whole thing, he's

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 1>just like walking. I think he's also hitchhiking, but he's

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>just like he walks everywhere. At one point, he like

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>sets off. He's like, I'm gonna even walk to China.

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to go to China, and I don't

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 1>know else to get there. I'm poor, so I guess

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll just walk there, you know. And so he can't

0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>go to Russia. He can't get a visa, so he

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>turns around and like walks back to the Netherlands again.

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he hit shikes. He gets arrested at the

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 1>border for illegally selling Communist postcards and he spends ten

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 1>days in jail. He's not above a little bit of

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>pettiness and a little bit of vandalism. At one point,

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 1>in I think Leiden. He goes to the Bureau of

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Aid to the Unemployed, like a social workplace, you know,

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, hey, can I get funds to start

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 1>a library for workers in the unemployed and they're like, no,

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't do social projects. And so he was like,

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna break your fucking windows. I don't know if

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.919
<v Speaker 1>he said it, but he did it. And they send

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>him to three months in prison for this, and he

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 1>was like, what if instead of going to prison, I

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.760
<v Speaker 1>just go bagabond to Europe. So he skips town. Doesn't

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>want to go to prison for some weird reason.

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 2>So these are windows he did not break with a

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 2>cop because he only would have gotten two weeks for that.

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, no, totally yeah right right yeah yeah, rock

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 1>through a window, like you might hurt the rock. You know,

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 1>people care about rocks.

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 3>I will say. His responses to things are pure gold, like.

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. And he's on team always carry

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a boulder, throw that boulder through the window.

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Classic strong guy. Shit will he was carrying a boulder.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so he kind of vagabounds around through Europe.

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>He sleeps where he can. At one point he tries

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to convince a sex worker to quit or drob to

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:40.359
<v Speaker 1>marry him, and she's like, no, I'm good, I want

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to know more about that part.

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>That's a movie. That's the premise for a movie right there. Yeah, movie.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I know. His whole life would be a movie if

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.799
<v Speaker 1>it weren't for the way he got done dirty by

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.399
<v Speaker 1>every single political actor in Europe a couple of years

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>from now. Because he gets done dirty and he's like

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, and he keeps wandering and then he throws

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>down and strikes everywhere he goes. He's like wandering around

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Budapest and shit, and he's doing seasonal labor everywhere he

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 1>can go, and he's sleeping on, you know, in barns

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and shit, I think. And then he's arrested for trying

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.879
<v Speaker 1>to sneak into Russia from Poland. The Polish police catch

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 1>him and they send him back to the Netherlands. After

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 1>he spends like two weeks in jail again, and then

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>they send him back to the Netherlands and they're like,

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>you got three months for throwing rocks through windows, coming buddy,

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And so he goes to jail for like three months.

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 1>At some point, I think while he's in jail, he

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>goes on hunger strike and then and he publishes a

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>paper for the unemployed after he gets out, and just

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to make him a single complete cool people bingo card

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 1>all on his own are a tinerant potato salesman who

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>has escaped imprisonment, gets to merculosis at the age of

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty four in his eyes and at this point he

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 1>is like, fairly certain he's going to go completely blind.

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 2>His eyes did something really wrong past life, I know.

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's at this point he actually has a

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 1>conversation with one of his friends, a communist friend of his.

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I think he is a council communist, where he's saying

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>something like, hey, I don't understand why people would kill themselves.

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>He should just kill Hitler instead, you know. And then

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>his friend is like, nah, I blow up the Reichstog,

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and uh, that probably sat in him at some point,

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, But he's left the Communist party. What he

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 1>does after that, where he finds his political home, and

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>how he tried to start a civil war to beat Hitler,

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:35.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about on Wednesday. So you're gonna have to

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.240
<v Speaker 1>wait two whole days to hear Margaret talk about counsel.

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I know you all care more about the arson. But

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>before you can hear Margaret talk about council communism, that's Martis.

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:44.879
<v Speaker 1>What do y'all think of him so far?

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:46.879
<v Speaker 3>I love him?

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I love him. Let's all look

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 1>at a picture of him.

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I would love to see a photo of him.

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 3>It just makes me sad that like someone, I mean

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 3>like people, people have hard lives, and it just makes

0:48:57.600 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 3>me depressed.

0:48:58.440 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't know.

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, what's sad about this is like exactly where this

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 2>episode is, or at least part of this episode's discussing is

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 2>like the basic how many people have never heard of

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 2>his name? Right? They might even not even know about

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the rex Dog fire. But even someone who is pretty

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 2>well versed in this, I didn't know all these details

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>about this man. I knew that he was essentially accused

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>of the false flag operation at the Reichs Dog and

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>that he started a fire, and that bad things happened

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to him as a result. But that's all I knew, right,

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 2>like this depth of how and why he became the

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.720
<v Speaker 2>person he became, and frankly, the obvious reasons people become

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the people they are for so many things that happened

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 2>to them and a society that doesn't care isn't part

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 2>of the general narrative because of the way it was

0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 2>narrated after the fact.

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, and if you hear his actual life, you

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of can't believe he was a Nazi agent. And

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll get into why. I feel very confident about saying

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 1>that more in the next episode. But Shrank, can you

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 1>see did the screen sharing work? Can you see Marnus?

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I see Marnus that I say his name probably

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 3>is Yeah, and I also see the day he dies

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 3>a spoiler alert for me.

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, uh huh. But he wasn't getting out of

0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 1>this one alive.

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.840
<v Speaker 3>No, it's that makes me sad.

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.839
<v Speaker 1>But he lived a very full life for how old

0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>he was when he died. But yeah, but yeah, no,

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 1>he's a handsome and broad man with a I am

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a criminal and fine with it look on his face

0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.720
<v Speaker 1>in his mug shot, it does look very strong.

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does have that look. I must say, like,

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and I bet you like not getting out of this alive.

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.400
<v Speaker 2>None of us are technically, but like my guess is

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 2>considering like things like, well, I someone shouldn't commit suicide,

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 2>they should just kill Hitler. That kind of stuff. I

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 2>don't think he ever thought he was going to anyway,

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that's my guess.

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think he did either. We'll talk more

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 1>about his motivations and shit on Wednesday, but first we're

0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about you, Carl and the stuff you do.

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks. Yeah. So, as we talked about very basically at

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.439
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, I run a media effort sometimes I refer

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 2>to as a YouTuber, but it's more than that. In

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 2>range TV. You can find my website inrange dot tv,

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:10.360
<v Speaker 2>and I'm distributing my content about multiple different distribution points

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>because you should and decentralize everything as much as you can,

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 2>because YouTube do anyways. And we also run events that

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 2>we call brutality matches, which are an actually inclusive space

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>for people who are interested in acquiring better skills with

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>firearms or just building community or having a good time

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 2>amongst people they know they're going to be safe around. Ironically,

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>even though it's a shooting event.

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<v Speaker 4>Can call brutality, Yeah, call brutality, but I know the

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 4>irony of things, right, But like, I run those as well,

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.280
<v Speaker 4>and so it's really a multi tiered effort and hopefully

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.080
<v Speaker 4>bringing things to the table about not just guns but the.

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Sociological impact of those items in our societies, whether for

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 2>good or for bad, and try to take that concept

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.280
<v Speaker 2>and talk about it and understand it in broader scope

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 2>than just nuts bolts and like trajectories or ballistics.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, hell yeah. I have a book. It's called

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 1>The Sapling Cage. It is amazing. It's the best thing

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that's ever been written by anyone, or at least by me.

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 1>And I've written a bunch of stuff and it's the

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>best thing I've written, so Matt, obviously, it's very good.

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 1>It comes out September twenty fourth from Feminist Press. Is

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>currently available for pre order in the United States. You

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>can pre order it from Firestorm Books. I mean, you

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>can pre order from pretty much anywhere, but if you

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 1>get from Firestorm Books, you get it signed by me.

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to sign many book plates in

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the very near future. My publisher was like, do you

0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>want to put a cap on the number of book

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 1>plates that you have to sign? And I was like, no,

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 1>what a good problem to have. And we'll see how

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel about this decision in approximately three weeks. But

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it's called The Sapling Cage, out September twenty fourth from

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.000
<v Speaker 1>feminist press Sherean you got anything you want.

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<v Speaker 3>To plug, not particularly go buy or pre order markets book.

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<v Speaker 3>I want everyone to do that, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Go do it, okay, and go listen to Shreen's episodes

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 1>If it could happen here if you want to keep

0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 1>up with things that are actually currently happening instead of

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>just things that happened hundred years ago that I make

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.760
<v Speaker 1>vague references to how they relate to the current events.

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