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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to Work in Progress friends. Today we

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Speaker 1: are joined by an old friend of the podcast who

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Speaker 1: is absolutely one of the most inspiring humans that I know,

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Speaker 1: none other than Shannon Watts, the founder of Mom's Demand Action,

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Speaker 1: which is the nation's largest grassroots group fighting against gun violence.

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Speaker 1: She has gathered over ten million women from disparate geographies, backgrounds,

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Speaker 1: political parties. She is known as a summoner of women's audacity,

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Speaker 1: and she used Mom's Demand Action not only to fight

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Speaker 1: for the future of our families and our children, but

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Speaker 1: also as a field experiment for mobilizing women. She has

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Speaker 1: figured out what fires us up up and keeps us engaged.

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Speaker 1: And though she passed the baton of leadership at Mom's

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Speaker 1: Demand Action to another leader so she could take a

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Speaker 1: much deserved year off after working seven days a week,

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Speaker 1: almost twenty four hours a day for eleven straight years

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Speaker 1: on this, did she take a sabbatical. No, she decided

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Speaker 1: to write a book. Shannon is here to discuss her

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Speaker 1: new book, Fired Up, How to turn your Spark into

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Speaker 1: a flame and come Alive at any age. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear about the lessons that she's learned, the

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Speaker 1: gems that she's gleaned, and the way that she sees

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Speaker 1: women as a bonfire when they gather together, work for community,

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Speaker 1: and figure out what truly makes them happy. Let's dive

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Speaker 1: in with Shannon Watts. Hi, my dear, and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited we're here in person too. I

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Speaker 1: feel like you and I have to so often when

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Speaker 1: we want to be together figure out what city we're

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Speaker 1: going to overlap in during what month of the year,

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Speaker 1: and so to get you, I want to squeeze you.

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Speaker 2: You're just far in a way that I can squeeze me.

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Speaker 1: I will. I'll squeeze you again after we're done. I

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Speaker 1: know this is a really loaded question these days, But

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: It is a loaded question. You know, I'm good. I think,

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Speaker 2: as the famous activist has said, Mariam Cambay, that hope

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Speaker 2: it is a discipline that's always been my mindset, that

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Speaker 2: it is very easy to be cynical and therefore disengaged.

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Speaker 2: If you actually practice hope, if you look around for

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Speaker 2: the things that are hopeful, yeah, then you can stay

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Speaker 2: engaged and you can take breaks, but come back to

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Speaker 2: the work. And I think the next four years is

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Speaker 2: going to be a discipline, a practice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I think it's a thing I've

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Speaker 1: been I don't want to say meditating on but really

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Speaker 1: be true at the same time, especially when some of

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Speaker 1: those things feel oppositional to each other. Things are wonderful

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Speaker 1: and terrible. There is joy, there is pain. You know

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Speaker 1: how you can be grateful for your own life inside

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Speaker 1: how to give to your point the hope, to both

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Speaker 1: the joy and the hurting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, joy, I think is a really important word. When

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Speaker 2: I started Moms to Be in Action, we came together

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Speaker 2: each year, all the volunteer leadership and it was a

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Speaker 2: and talking about legislation. You know, it was tough stuff,

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Speaker 2: particularly from non survivors, who said like, is this appropriate?

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Speaker 2: Are we being unserious? It ended up being the most

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Speaker 2: took up their shoes, they got all sweaty, they danced,

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Speaker 2: and they had joy. What is the point of activism

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Speaker 2: or life without joy? And so to imagine that we're

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Speaker 2: it's just not possible. We have to look for joy

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Speaker 2: and that comes in community, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the idea that you have to

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Speaker 1: really beautiful to watch you put this sort of energy

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Speaker 2: That means a lot to me. I think what I

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Speaker 2: realized in creating Mom's dem in Action, which was not

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Speaker 2: life laboratory for what empowers women, what makes them come alive.

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Speaker 2: I saw this over and over again, and you were

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Speaker 2: just talking about women and suffering. What I saw so

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Speaker 2: many times and even in my own life, is that

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Speaker 2: women are taught to fulfill their obligations and men are

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Speaker 2: taught to follow their desires. Yes, and what would our

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Speaker 1: I love that you said that, because it is the

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Speaker 1: emotional version of what happens to women versus men around money.

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Speaker 1: If men are taught to chase and fulfill their desires,

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Speaker 1: the First Women's Bank is the data around how when

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting you bring this up because I talk

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Speaker 2: I am guilty of this me too. I worked at

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Speaker 2: Mom's Demand Action. I say worked. I was a full

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Speaker 2: time volunteer for eleven years. I do not take a dime. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all the money I made from my book from speeches

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so surreal. You know, we talked about this

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for having a longtime friend

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Speaker 1: what would have changed? What's the advice you might give

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love this question. So when we met for

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to realize not only to

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Speaker 1: we've done some really cool stuff. You know you and

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Speaker 1: When Michelle Obama was on the show two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I would just open every show with that, right be like, just.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you have like a freedom nest.

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Speaker 2: You taught them to fly, they flew. What are you

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Speaker 1: of life? Four, and you know, the class kind of

435
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Speaker 1: gets like and you hear the murmurs, and he says,

436
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Speaker 1: and I don't mean that in the way that you

437
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Speaker 1: think he said, but you know, men can be fathers

438
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Speaker 1: into their eighties. No one judges them when they do that,

439
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Speaker 1: by the way, but God forbid a woman in her

440
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Speaker 1: forties as a kid. That's verse every day. But he

441
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Speaker 1: was saying, you know, women, once you go through men

442
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Speaker 1: a pause, you cease being able to birth a child.

443
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Speaker 1: So societally, what are women for? And he says, you know,

444
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Speaker 1: we outlive men almost always and by quite a long time.

445
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Speaker 1: And essentially a long story longer I'll try to paraphrase,

446
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Speaker 1: is that he pausits that women, as they enter the

447
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Speaker 1: grandmother stage, whether that's you have grandchildren or you are

448
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Speaker 1: a grandmother, in society, that we are the ones who

449
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Speaker 1: are the wisdom givers. Yes, we are actually the teachers.

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Speaker 1: And I thought about it for weeks after I watch

451
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Speaker 1: this talk, because I thought, oh, women have actually been

452
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Speaker 1: taught that our only value, our biggest value in society

453
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Speaker 1: is motherhood. But actually, essentially men's only value, add is

454
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Speaker 1: fatherhood and they can do it forever. We literally have

455
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Speaker 1: a third of our lives where that is not our value,

456
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Speaker 1: where we serve a greater purpose. And when he started

457
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Speaker 1: to talk about us being the wisdom givers, the teachers,

458
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Speaker 1: the ones who continue to shepherd's society, I was like, Oh,

459
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Speaker 1: we've inverted our roles. There's a reason that women have been,

460
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Speaker 1: you know, removed from so many of the holy books

461
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Speaker 1: around the world. Right, It's that they're scared of our power. Yes,

462
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Speaker 1: the divine veeminine there used to be the goddess for

463
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Speaker 1: the God and they've tried to, you know, really reduce us.

464
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Speaker 1: And it makes me feel like we're finally getting back

465
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Speaker 1: to something as I look around at all my friends

466
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Speaker 1: their forties to their seventies doing what you're talking about,

467
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Speaker 1: because I actually look at women as the ones who

468
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Speaker 1: hold the most power and the greatest ideas, and who

469
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Speaker 1: teach the most generously and to pursue a book, a

470
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Speaker 1: second career. Whatever it is you love feeds you as well.

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Speaker 1: So I think it shifts that give give give versus take, take, take,

472
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Speaker 1: and it actually creates a healthier cycle, something more natural

473
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Speaker 1: that moves, you know, in and out, ebb and flow

474
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Speaker 1: all the time. Do you feel like you've got your

475
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Speaker 1: personal ebb and flow in a place where you love it.

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Speaker 2: I do right now, I do, But I want to

477
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Speaker 2: be clear like it does ebb and flow. Yeah, you're

478
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Speaker 2: going to have ups and downs. Yeah, that doesn't mean

479
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: you should back down.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I made a choice when I started Mom'stuman Action and

482
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Speaker 2: I started receiving all these threats that I didn't expect.

483
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Speaker 2: You know, I had to back down or double down,

484
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Speaker 2: and I decided to double down. And you know, I

485
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Speaker 2: had someone say to me when I was writing this book,

486
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Speaker 2: I wish I had had a handbook for all the

487
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: blowback that I will receive. It doesn't mean you're starting

488
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Speaker 2: a huge thing like an organization. It may be just

489
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Speaker 2: a difficult conversation. Maybe you're getting out of a relationship,

490
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: maybe you're pursuing another job. It can be personal, political, professional.

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Speaker 2: But if you apply this formula and if you know

492
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Speaker 2: what to expect, you know that you will feel imposter syndrome,

493
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Speaker 2: that your perfectionism will get in the way, that you

494
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 2: will start to think people don't want to hear your

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Speaker 2: story or you don't have a story to tell. If

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Speaker 2: you know there will be a messy middle, then you

497
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Speaker 2: can get through it. And that is what this is really,

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Speaker 2: you know, a guide for that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, messy middle.

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Speaker 2: Messy middle can be brutal. It's hard, but you learn

501
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Speaker 2: so much there you do.

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Speaker 1: But I think you're right. A guidebook would have been helpful.

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Speaker 1: You know, we bonded and became friends in activism. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was not prepared either for not only how much

505
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Speaker 1: the world hates an outspoken woman, a politically educated woman.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, here we go. And you know, nobody tells

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Speaker 1: you how to deal with the threats. Nobody tells you

508
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Speaker 1: how to deal with you know, the blowback. And it's

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Speaker 1: not lost on me that I think as an observer,

510
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Speaker 1: you can tell me if it's correct. I think part

511
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Speaker 1: of the reason so many people were so incensed by

512
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Speaker 1: Mom's demand is that it was so nonpartisan. You got

513
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: so many people who have been cultured or encouraged or

514
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: algorithmically targeted to fight a culture war, a red versus blue,

515
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: a left versus right, YadA, YadA, YadA. You got them

516
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Speaker 1: all to say, oh, yeah, every country in the world

517
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Speaker 1: has mental health issues. Every country in the world on

518
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: par with ours, has access to the same video games.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere is basically the same. When you are in a

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Speaker 1: similar country of you know, population and economic means and

521
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Speaker 1: all the things. The only difference here is the access

522
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: to the guns. It's the guns, It's not anything else.

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Speaker 1: And I say, this is a kid who got her

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Speaker 1: first gun for her twelfth birthday. You know, people are

525
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Speaker 1: always very shocked when they find out that, like they're

526
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: liberal Hollywood blah blah blah. Person they want to scream

527
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: about is like actually a sharpshooter. Yeah, we can mean

528
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: many things, guys. It's the guns. Yes. And when you

529
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Speaker 1: had moms from San Francisco to Oakland, to Texas to

530
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Speaker 1: New Mexico to Florida to Northern Vermont rallying together, I

531
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Speaker 1: think you really scared a lot of people because they

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Speaker 1: knew that the truth was more powerful than the pr Oh,

533
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Speaker 1: the facts are more powerful than any money the gun

534
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Speaker 1: lobby spends. And you can't unsee something once you know it.

535
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Speaker 1: And yet we find ourselves back here in this dystopian

536
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Speaker 1: Trump two point oh Land, How I know you took

537
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Speaker 1: a break which you deserved. You know, you did the

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Speaker 1: most wonderful thing that I think women do, which is

539
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: they build power and then share it. You say, I'm

540
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Speaker 1: going to run Mom's demand until the day I die

541
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Speaker 1: because it's fine, you pass the baton, but from outside,

542
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: still having built it and being so close to it,

543
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: how do you? How do you want to speak to

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00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: those women about what we do now? Because it feels

545
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: like it for all this progress we've made, the people

546
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Speaker 1: with the most money who want the progress for themselves

547
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: and not for any of us, are winning in this moment,

548
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: and they're just they're lighting everything on fire, and not

549
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: in a good way, not in a fired up way,

550
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Speaker 1: in like I've burdened all burnt, all down, nightmare kind

551
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Speaker 1: of way. So what do you if you were still

552
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Speaker 1: at the home of Mom's demand, or if you were

553
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Speaker 1: just going to talk to us I don't know on

554
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Speaker 1: Instagram on Saturday morning, like what would you? What do

555
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 1: you want to say to the women who go? But Shannon,

556
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: what do we do now? You know?

557
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Speaker 2: I knew intuitively the day after the santy Hook School

558
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Speaker 2: shooting that women were the secret sauce to taking on

559
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Speaker 2: the largest, most powerful, wealthy special interests that's ever existed,

560
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Speaker 2: right the gun lobby. And I simply put out a

561
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Speaker 2: plea on Facebook that women come together like they did

562
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: through Mothers against Drunk Driving, which was so incredibly influential

563
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Speaker 2: to me as a teen in the eighties. They made

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Speaker 2: unbelievable progress in under a decade. So I thought, okay,

565
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: we need women to take on the gun lobby. And

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Speaker 2: I was right. This was the gun lobby's worst nightmare,

567
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Speaker 2: that women would rise up against them to protect their

568
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Speaker 2: children in their communities because women are so powerful. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we only hold twenty five percent of the five hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand elected positions in this country. We are less than

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Speaker 2: five percent of fortunate one thousand CEOs, so we're not

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Speaker 2: pulling the levers of power that really make the policies

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Speaker 2: that protect our families and communities. But we're the majority

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Speaker 2: of the voting population and we can use our voices.

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Speaker 2: So when you combine voices and votes, we're unstoppable. And

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00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: so that is why when millions of women began to

577
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Speaker 2: show up in their state houses, in their city councils,

578
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: even at Congress, we went from a corp of all

579
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Speaker 2: Democrats in Congress having an A rating from the NA

580
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Speaker 2: to none. Now it's a seismic shift in American politics.

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Speaker 2: It's how we passed the first federal gun safety legislation

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Speaker 2: in twenty two in a generation and that is a

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Speaker 2: formula just like living on fire, right, that is the

584
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Speaker 2: formula for successful activism. Women have immense power when we

585
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Speaker 2: come together in community. And I talk about this in

586
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: the book is building a bonfire? You know, you take

587
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: your flame and you put it with other women's and

588
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: it just becomes this huge, unstoppable fire that you know,

589
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: shows you what you want to do, but also shows

590
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Speaker 2: you the people you want to do it with. And

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00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: that is what Moms to Men action became. And so

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Speaker 2: I think in this moment, it is so we're all

593
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Speaker 2: talking about community. It is so important to find your community.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be gun safety activism, it doesn't

595
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Speaker 2: even have to be activism, but find your community and

596
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: find your strength because that is what we need to

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Speaker 2: get us through the next four years. And I will

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Speaker 2: just say that as an Emerge America board member, this

599
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: is an organization that trains women to run profice. I

600
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Speaker 2: think there's a moral imperative for women to run profice

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Speaker 2: in this country. Yes, I don't care if it's county corner,

602
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Speaker 2: I don't care if it's city's sheriff. It can be

603
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: a very small elected officials office. But if we are

604
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Speaker 2: able to do it. We need to do it because

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Speaker 2: only having twenty five percent of the elected positions. You know,

606
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: the saying is when you don't have a seat at

607
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Speaker 2: the table, you're probably on the menu. Many women right

608
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Speaker 2: now in this country are the main course.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and now a word from our sponsors that I

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Speaker 1: really enjoy and I think you will too. Well. I

611
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: saw a statistic today. The administration is saying they want

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Speaker 1: to give baby bonuses, they want more children born in America.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, you mean you want to give

614
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: families a baby bonus that's over one thousand dollars less

615
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: than the child tax credit that you're party killed that

616
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Speaker 1: lifted fifty percent of all families in poverty out of poverty. Interesting,

617
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Speaker 1: So you want women to have more babies in a

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Speaker 1: country where you are making it impossible to access maternal healthcare,

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Speaker 1: where you're defunding cancer research for children, where you are

620
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Speaker 1: trying to take away women's rights to IVF so if

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Speaker 1: they actually want to have children, they can't. And the

622
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: list just goes on. You're defunding education, You want everybody

623
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Speaker 1: to have guns. Why do you think people maybe are

624
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Speaker 1: scared to bring children into this world? Weird? It's so

625
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: crazy making. And I think it's why it's so important

626
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: what you're putting in the book and also what you're

627
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: reminding us out in the world is to see and

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00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: identify the problem and then congregate in community to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to fix it. And you are right. One

630
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Speaker 1: of the ways we have to fix it is by

631
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Speaker 1: taking those seats women running for office, whether it's you know,

632
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Speaker 1: Emerge America or Emily's List or any of these groups

633
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Speaker 1: that is helping she should run. Yes, helping run for something. Oh,

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00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: that really feels like a shift that has been a

635
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: long time coming from your vantage point. Do you see

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00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: more women in your peer group? You know, women whose

637
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: kids are off in college and so they're beginning to

638
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: reclaim more of their daily time. Do you see more

639
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: women talking about it, thinking about it, gearing up for it?

640
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: I do? You know? Women don't not live on fire

641
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: because they're weak. It's because they're wise. They see the

642
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: system is set up for them to fail and the

643
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: only way to fix that is to find the courage

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Speaker 2: to step out into the arena. And you know this

645
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: formula I was talking about your abilities, your values, and

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Speaker 2: your desires. That is different for every single person. My

647
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Speaker 2: abilities were my communication skills. I had been in comms

648
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Speaker 2: for almost twenty years before I started Mom's Demand Action.

649
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: My values were protecting my family and my community, and

650
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: my desire was to be an activist. I had grown

651
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: up in Rochester, New York, where I was taught that

652
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: people I carry at Tubman and Susan b. Anthony and

653
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: I think she's been canceled now. But like all these

654
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: different activists right who sort of were women at the forefront,

655
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: and each one of us has that different recipe, the

656
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: different formula that will come into play.

657
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Speaker 1: You know.

658
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Speaker 2: I've seen women come into Mom's de Maan Action and

659
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: they decided to be a data lead because maybe they

660
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: were an accountant in their professional life, and they come

661
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: into the organization and they're surrounded by other supportive women

662
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: and they think, wow, I'm really good at being a

663
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: data lead. I'm really doing a great job at this.

664
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll try to be the chapter leader. And then

665
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: they become the chapter leader and they say, wow, you know,

666
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: I'm really smart and I'm getting people to feel good

667
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: about themselves and to make progress. Maybe I will run

668
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: for city council and they do and they win, and

669
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: it is just really those it's like taking the next

670
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: buyery step over and over again.

671
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, coming into writing the book, you dropped this

672
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: gem earlier that you got a phone call from Maria Shriver?

673
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Did you have a book in the works, and she

674
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: heard about it? What happened? Tell me that story, because

675
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: that feels very cool.

676
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: I had just step back from Moms to Man Action,

677
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: and I thought, Okay, I'm going to take a year

678
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: off figure out what's next. You know, I'd been working

679
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: seven days a week as a full time volunteer for

680
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: over a decade and Maria Shriver had DMed me out

681
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: of the blue on Instagram and said, can I have

682
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: your phone number? And you know, this was a few

683
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: weeks went by. I'm running on the treadmill and I

684
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: looked down on my phone and it says Maria Shriver,

685
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: And obviously I get off the treadmill and answer the phone,

686
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: and she says, you know, I so admire your voice.

687
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: I think you have a lot to tell women. I

688
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: have a book imprint called Open Field. Would you write

689
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: a book for me? Which you know is a very

690
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: big question, like you can write about whatever you want?

691
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: And I said yes. You know I could have said no.

692
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: I could have said I'm not the right person, I'm

693
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: not an author, I'm not I don't have anything to tell.

694
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Speaker 2: But I knew that wasn't true, you know. I knew

695
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: that I did have something to say to women that

696
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: I had learned so much through my leadership of Moms

697
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: U Man Action, and then I wanted to empower other women,

698
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: especially women my age, to keep doing things till their end,

699
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: till the end of their life. And so I said yes.

700
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: And I had written a book before, but I had

701
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: written it with a co author, and it was very

702
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: fact based about gun violence. This was something different. This

703
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: was my story and the stories of other women. And

704
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it wasn't hard. You know.

705
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: There were days when I thought, why did I take

706
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: this on? Why am I not on vacation? What if

707
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: this isn't good? What if people don't like it? And

708
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: I had to push through all those feelings, all these stories,

709
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: these narratives that I was making up and telling myself.

710
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: And I've gotten such incredible feedback. I mean, the poet

711
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Maggie Smith blurbed this book and she was reading it

712
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: and she would email me and say, I wish I

713
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: had had this book when I was getting divorced. So

714
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: many women who I admire have supported the book, are

715
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: supporting the book, women like you, and I'm just so

716
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: glad I said yes to Maurice Shriver, a perfect stranger

717
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: who has become a friend and is interviewed in the book.

718
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: That's so cool. That's just so cool. Something that you've

719
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: also talked about, which I really cherish because it's been

720
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: my journey as well, seems common in our kind of

721
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: overlapping generation. You've opened up a lot about your struggle

722
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: with untreated ADHD getting diagnosed later in life. You and

723
00:39:53,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: me both sister, and in one way, I feel so

724
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: relieved to understand that some of what is hard for

725
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: me is not a personal failing. It's literally how my

726
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: brain is wired. It also is probably part of the

727
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: reason I can go through policies so quickly, because I

728
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: have a weird memory for that kind of stuff. Don't

729
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: ask me what day it is, anytime, any anywhere. What

730
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: was the kind of push pull, the relief and the

731
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Speaker 1: Oh I wish I'd understood this earlier for you.

732
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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is I was a speaker at

733
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Speaker 2: a conference a couple of weeks ago in Orlando, and

734
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Speaker 2: I was asked by the moderator, what did you learn

735
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 2: while interviewing women for this book? And I said over

736
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: a third of them had ADHD, either undiagnosed or late

737
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: in life diagnosed, and that it was the secret sauce

738
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Speaker 2: for becoming who they are. Now do you know that

739
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: the entire audience began to cheer and some of the

740
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: women started crying, Like that touched women so much, this

741
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: phenomenon of ADHD. I was actually diagnosed when I was fourteen,

742
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 2: really in the eighties, So that tells you how bad

743
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: my ADHD was. Wow, because women, girls were not being

744
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: diagnosed in the eighties.

745
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: Oh uncommon, I mean then, and especially thing for young

746
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: women now.

747
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: And I had all the comorbidities. I had OCD, I

748
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: had anxiety, I had skin picking, I had nervous ticks.

749
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Like I was, you know, a kid who was really struggling.

750
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: And I started to fail out of school in the

751
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: eighth grade and that's when I got diagnosed. But there

752
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: was such a stigma around medication that I was never medicated,

753
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: and so it didn't get better. It got worse right

754
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: throughout my lifetime. And it wasn't until I was in

755
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: my mid twenties, and I think my brain was fully

756
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: developed that I would learned workarounds for things that come

757
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: intuitively to other people. But it was a real struggle.

758
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: I tried medicating myself when I went through menopause because

759
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: I saw the symptoms becoming so much more severe, and

760
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: it just didn't work for me. I think my brain

761
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: is so now solidified in the way I do things

762
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: to get around the ADHD obstacles. But this is a

763
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: real thing, particularly for gen X women, who you know.

764
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: I have a lot of resentment for the way that

765
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: my parents handled it, the school system handled it. I

766
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: was treated as someone who was weird or different or unsuccessful,

767
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: right like, like I was always destined to be a loser.

768
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: I tell this story of I was in Catholic school

769
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: and there was an English assignment sent home and it

770
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: was compare your daughter to someone in history. I was

771
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: in an all girls school and people would come in

772
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: and their parents would have compared them to Joan of

773
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Arc or you know, the Virgin Mother. My parents compared

774
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: me to Willie Lowman, the tragic figure and death of

775
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: a salesman. Oh my god. Because I was kind of

776
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: a loser, right like, I had potential, but I couldn't

777
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: live up to it, and that's how I felt my

778
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: whole life. And my parents, you know, I don't mean

779
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: to be too harsh on them, but you know, as

780
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: an only child, and they they didn't know why I

781
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: was so different. But I'm so grateful now that I

782
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: had that experience, and it certainly prepared me to be

783
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: the parent of three of my children have ADHD, right,

784
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: and so I think that that made me who I am.

785
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: And you were talking about hyperfocus. How else could I

786
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: have worked on gun mine with prevention seven days a week,

787
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: twelve hours a day for eleven years only because of

788
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: my ADHD.

789
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Because people will say to me, how do

790
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: you get so much done in a day, and my

791
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: response is always I never even get halfway through my

792
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: to do list. Yes, And then people who love me

793
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: have had to sit me down and say, I think

794
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: you do too much in a day. I think you

795
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: need to go for a walk. Like it's going to

796
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: sound so crazy, but I know you'll get it. My

797
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: therapist gave me an exercise and said, when you are

798
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: working from home, or you know, when you wrap a

799
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: podcast or whatever it is, because obviously not everything can

800
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: be broken into these increments. But when you're in control

801
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: of your timing, I want you to set a thirty

802
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: minute timer and when it goes off, I don't care

803
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: what you're doing, stop doing it and walk outside to

804
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: the end of the block and back, take five minutes

805
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and go for a walk, and then come back and

806
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: start the thirty minute timer again. That's thirty on five off,

807
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: thirty on five off. For me, that feels like learning Mandarin.

808
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: We're not in the same alphabet, we're not in a

809
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: language I understand, and it's so simple. But what it's

810
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: beginning to do is help my brain take a breath,

811
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: because hyperfocus can feel like holding your breath all day. Yes,

812
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be that hard for a forty two

813
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: year old woman to walk to the end of the

814
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: block and back, But it's hard for me to stop

815
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing. And I am learning this thing

816
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: that would probably be easy for a five year old,

817
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: but for me is difficult, and it is really transforming

818
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: not only the way I learn to pause, but what

819
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: I what I realized kind of emotionally recently, was much

820
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: like you in my own way, I was going through

821
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: my own massive life shift and the exzema, and the

822
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: sort of physical stress response was my body. My body

823
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: had been trying to talk to me for so long

824
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: that it stopped talking and it started screaming, and I

825
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: had to start to pay attention to it. And the

826
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: coolest side effect I've realized of this thirty on to

827
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: five off thing is that I'm teaching my body it

828
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: can trust me. When the alarm goes off and I

829
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: get up and I go for a walk and I

830
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: look at the sun and I take deep breaths and

831
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: I jump around and then I come back to work.

832
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: My body knows I'm going to give it what it needs.

833
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ignore what it needs. And in

834
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: this very weird way, I almost feel like I'm reparenting

835
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: myself now that I understand how my brain works.

836
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: And it's so difficult in a relationship too, because what

837
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: you're talking about, you know, is the same thing with

838
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: my husban been wondering where do I go and when

839
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: I become so immersed in something, you know, I organized

840
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: a zoom conference to raise money for Kamala Harris, the

841
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: White Woman answer the calls.

842
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: Let's get into that I disappeared.

843
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: For like four days. If my husband would just bring

844
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: me power bars in liquid and he's had to adjust too, right, like,

845
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: this is what she does, this is where she goes.

846
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: But it's also part of your superpower. Yes, that's your

847
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: hero stuff. And what I think is really precious is

848
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: especially when you've tried to do what the world tells

849
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: you to do and you have woken up realizing you're

850
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: in the wrong marriage, and you go, okay, I have

851
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: to start over. I think when you are in the

852
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: right one and someone sees you and says, don't get up,

853
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: but I'm going to slide this bullet food in front

854
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: of your face.

855
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: This is who you are, and I'm going to take

856
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: care of you.

857
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, during the election, much like you, I was

858
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: just in it. I was on a plane every day

859
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: when I was home. I was on forty zooms a day,

860
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: it felt like, and I'd be on a zoom and

861
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: I would just I would like, see appear from the

862
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: left and she'd hand me this like beautifully cooked breakfast

863
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Speaker 1: and and just you know, pat my arm off camera

864
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Speaker 1: and walk away. And I was like, you, angel, we have.

865
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: The same partner, right, Like, what is it like to

866
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: be loved?

867
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: What?

868
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

869
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Speaker 1: And I think there's something so special in when you're

870
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Speaker 1: seen and supported so you can be who you are.

871
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have this, I do

872
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: know it's quite a common thing for people with ADHD.

873
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: You know, we start to do something and then get distracted.

874
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: And I know for someone like her, who is the

875
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: most orderly, cleanly person, clutter or a mess can drive

876
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: her crazy. And instead of losing her mind when she finds, like,

877
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: next to the bookshelf my plate with peanut butter toast

878
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: half eaten amidst the books, she just texts me pictures

879
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: of the weird places that I leave things around the

880
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: house and is like, you're ridiculous. I love you, and

881
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: it makes us both laugh and so's so sweet because

882
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's where I left that, Like I couldn't

883
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: find my smoothie and it was like, you know, on

884
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: a shelf in the hall closet. And it's so different

885
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: to have a person who can see your thing. Yes,

886
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, you've got someone with an endless supply of

887
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: power bars because he knows and loves you and it's

888
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: really special. And now a word from our sponsors. How

889
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: was the call organizing itself? You're obviously so amazing at it.

890
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, ten million women you organized from

891
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: every disparate place space, political background for Mom's demand. You

892
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, you got the first gun legislation in a

893
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: generation passed. Then you decide to take a break, and

894
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: then we get into an incredibly consequent election, and as

895
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: you do, you do things big and you organize this

896
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: call that really helped collect a lot of women that

897
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: look like us. I remember because I was in France

898
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Speaker 1: for the Olympics and I was on the HRC call,

899
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: which was at the same time as your call. So

900
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: I had two computers open, going back and forth, you know,

901
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: making sure I could do my speaking thing and watch

902
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody here. And I was like, God, I'm so inspired.

903
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: I'm sad now obviously.

904
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: Thinking about it, but there was so much energy. Well yeah,

905
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: what did it feel like?

906
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: And how how did you build it?

907
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: So I was reading on Twitter there were these tweets

908
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Speaker 2: from a woman named Joteika Edie. She's who has run

909
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: when with black women for a long time, and I

910
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: saw all these black women on Instagram and Twitter saying

911
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm on this call for Kamala Harris. Now there's a

912
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: thousand people. Now there's five thousand people. Now there's ten

913
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Speaker 2: thousand people. We have to call Zoom, they have to

914
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Speaker 2: open up. I mean, it was so exciting, and they

915
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: raised millions of dollars right. And then the next day,

916
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Speaker 2: my friend Roland Martin got together with a group of

917
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Speaker 2: black men and did the same thing, and they had

918
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Speaker 2: even more people and raised more money. And as I

919
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Speaker 2: do when I wake up in the middle of the

920
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Speaker 2: morning because of menopause, like at four am, I just

921
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: tweeted out into the ether, when are white women going

922
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: to do the same thing? Yeah, not thinking, oh, I'm

923
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: going to organize this, you.

924
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Speaker 1: Were like I turns out I volunteered as trick.

925
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Speaker 2: That was a question, not a suggestion.

926
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Speaker 1: It was just a question.

927
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Speaker 2: So all of these women start dming me I'm in,

928
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Speaker 2: I'm in, I'm in. When is this? Tell us when?

929
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Speaker 2: And so that was the beginning, and I got connected

930
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Speaker 2: to Joe Tika and thought, Okay, this seems like there's

931
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Speaker 2: a lot of interest. But I never imagined it would

932
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Speaker 2: be what it was. I mean, we used a simple

933
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: Zoom link, and we used my own fundraising link that

934
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Speaker 2: I had from the campaign, not even Act Blue right

935
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Speaker 2: just to my link. Suddenly the zooms started and coming

936
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: back on it was like we were writing waves. We

937
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: got an email from Zoom saying congratulations, this is a

938
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Speaker 2: large Zoom call in history. By the end of the call,

939
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: we knew from my link we'd raise two million dollars,

940
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: and I thought, well, that's great, that's good. Cool. The

941
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Speaker 2: next morning I get a call. Now it's five million,

942
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: then it was eight million, then it was ended up

943
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Speaker 2: being eleven million dollars in two hours. And look, I

944
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: still am disappointed in the way white women voted, but

945
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Speaker 2: there was a five point increase from Biden among college

946
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Speaker 2: educated white women. I hope we can build on that

947
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Speaker 2: progress going forward. And you know, people always are bashing

948
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: so called identity of politics. I think it was a

949
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: really important conversation that needed to be had, which is,

950
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: why do white women vote in their own self interests

951
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: and not in all women's best interests.

952
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: But I think the question goes deeper than that, because

953
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: white women are not voting in their own self interest.

954
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: They think they are, they think.

955
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: They are, they think they're voting to uphold some semblance

956
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: of normalcy for their family, their husband, their neighborhood, but

957
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: they're actually voting against all of our interests.

958
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: As my friend Brittany Pagnet Cunningham says, my favorite, lady,

959
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: your whiteness will not save you from what the patriarchy

960
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: has in store for you.

961
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the illusion that patriarchy has given

962
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: to us, is that you know these men are here

963
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: to protect us. I look at women and I go

964
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: protect us from who men? Men. I don't want to

965
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: be protected from them. I want to be protected in

966
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: the law. I want to be protected in ways that

967
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: can't change with their mood. Because you see these men

968
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: in power now, you see Donald Trump, you see j

969
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: ad Vance. What they say is not what they're doing,

970
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: and what they're doing is so abhorrent, especially for women,

971
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: And I guess I want to know why you think

972
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: so many white women Bristle had the phrase white women?

973
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: Why why do so many white women get upset when

974
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: we say, hey, if we center black women in American politics,

975
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: American politics will get better for every woman, including with yes.

976
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: Why do you think that makes people feel so upset

977
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: or so left out, or so like high school click terrible?

978
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: What is that reaction about?

979
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 2: I think because we know that deep down inside there

980
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: is truth to the fact that we vote with white men,

981
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: whether it's our fathers, husbands, sons, and not with the

982
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: backbone of the party and the people who are truly

983
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable and the people who would truly benefit

984
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: from our votes going in their favor. And that doesn't

985
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: feel great, right, there's sort of an innate defensiveness. I remember,

986
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: you know, after Hillary Clinton lost and there was a

987
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: discussion about this. I wasn't quite there yet. I was like,

988
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: don't criticize me. I voted for Hillary Clinton. And then

989
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: I thought, there's actually so much more I can do

990
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 2: because a lot of white women in my family did

991
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: not vote for Hillary Clinton. Ye, And those are conversations

992
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm obligated to have. That's an not the work of

993
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: black women or women of color. It is the work

994
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: of white women who are positioned in friends and families

995
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: and who have impact and affluence that say here's how

996
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm voting and here's why. And that is almost like

997
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: living on fire.

998
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: Right.

999
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: That is a brave and important conversation to have.

1000
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thing we have to do, and it's interesting.

1001
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: I have a woman in my life who if we

1002
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: met today, we would not be friends. But we've known

1003
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: each other a long time. We have fought over equality, equity,

1004
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: civil rights for a long time, and I have people

1005
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: in my life who say, just be done with it.

1006
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: And the thing I keep saying is I will not

1007
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: sick this woman on any woman of color that I love.

1008
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: It's not their job to teach her. Part of my

1009
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: job is to sit with her and work on these issues,

1010
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: explaining the truth, work on helping her undo her own

1011
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: internalized misogyny, her own illusions that whiteness is going to

1012
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: protect her these things. And it feels important to me

1013
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: because it doesn't feel by accident, and I think that

1014
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: has been a great learning for me. In twenty sixteen,

1015
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: I was like, if you voted this way, we cannot

1016
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: be friends. I am done. This isn't political, this is

1017
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: about humanity. And I realize that that's actually a very

1018
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: privileged reaction. Yes, because I can be done, but many

1019
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: of the women in my life can't be. And so

1020
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: I've actually doubled down on long patient conversations where I

1021
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: don't get into any facts for thirty minutes to an hour,

1022
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: I talk about personal experience, emotion, my own story, their

1023
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: own story, and then it's this will bump into your

1024
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: confirmation bias. You will not want to believe what I'm

1025
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: about to show you because it will trigger shame. We

1026
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: can talk about our shame together. Here's what's really going on.

1027
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: Here's the bills they've passed. Here's what they're doing to IVF,

1028
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: Here's what they're doing to access for hungry children to

1029
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: have food in school. Here's what they're doing. Let's talk

1030
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: about it. And it requires an immense amount of work,

1031
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: but I do feel like for me, it is part

1032
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: of my flame. I've learned that that's part of my fire.

1033
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: And what you're talking about is incremental progress.

1034
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: And oh but it's so hard to be so pacious.

1035
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: It is, and it's such a dirty word, particularly with

1036
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 2: young people, incrementalism. But I have seen incrementalism lead to revolutions.

1037
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's it.

1038
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: And I think I think also when you talk about privilege,

1039
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, Rebecca Tracter, the feminist rights about this, women,

1040
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: White women are used to winning, and when they don't win,

1041
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: they walk away. And so we really do have to

1042
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: not back down but double down and keep going even

1043
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 2: when it's hard.

1044
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really really important to be willing

1045
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: to do that. And I also think it's really important

1046
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: on this subject of walking away, you know, to to

1047
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: do that self inventory and figure out when we want

1048
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: to walk away, maybe why, But then to also take

1049
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: that out into the community and be really honest about

1050
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: the fact that activism doesn't end after an election. Yea,

1051
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, there would have been a lot. Had Kamala want,

1052
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: there would have been a lot we would have been

1053
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: pressing her on. There would have been a lot we

1054
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: would have pressed that administration on. I think we would

1055
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: be in such a better position, but we would have

1056
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: still had work to do. Now we are in a

1057
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: worse position, and we have so much more work to do.

1058
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: How do you inspire listeners or suggest that they not

1059
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: lose hope despite the amount of backsliding we're seeing because

1060
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't start a little ahead and then

1061
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: get ways to go. We started potentially a little ahead

1062
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: and then we slid all the way back. And how

1063
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: we got a double you know the yardage essentially, how.

1064
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: Do you.

1065
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Not just get exhausted and stop?

1066
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: You know, it is a marathon, not a sprint, but

1067
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: it's also a relay race, and when you have to

1068
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: pass the baton, you do that right. I had many

1069
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: instances during the eleven years I led Moms to Me

1070
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: in action where I had a kid in crisis, or

1071
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: I had other things in my life I had to

1072
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: pay attention to. And you know, I think women are

1073
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: reluctant to give other people their work. They feel guilty,

1074
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: or they feel worried that other people might, you know,

1075
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: do it better. There's all that stuff built into us.

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Speaker 2: And I felt that way. And what I realized was

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00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: when I came back, the work was still there, and

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00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: other people brought their energy and their ideas to it.

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: That's what it makes That's what makes a community right,

1080
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: leaning on one another. So I would say think of

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00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: it as a relay race, but also loose forward. And

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00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 2: this was a motto at Mom's to me in action,

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00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: you were going to lose. It's always going to be

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00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: two steps forward, one step back. It's the incrementalism we

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00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: talked about. But look for the hope, look for the wins.

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: Maybe you lost on a legislation that you were trying

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: to pass, but what did you win. You grew your chapter,

1088
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: You created new relationships with lawmakers, You figured out what

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00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: it will take to win the next time. And I

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00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: saw this happen over and over again, where you know,

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: in states, you would think we would never make progress,

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00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: either by defeating bad bills or passing go bills, and

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01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: we did. It's cyclical. Politics is cyclical. What we're going

1094
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: through now will not last forever. So build that foundation

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: you can build on when we win again.

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Speaker 1: I love that when you talk about Emerge America and

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: she should run in all these organizations, do you ever

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Speaker 1: see yourself leaving for elected office?

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: I get asked a lot. I never say never. I'm

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: actually becoming a resident of Florida, which is exciting to

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01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: me because California is great, but it's not as much

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01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: of a pill battle as Florida, which I think will

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01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: be fun to kind of get in the middle of.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's ready.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think what I learned during Moms

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01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: Do in action. Yes, I'm passionate about gun safety, but

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Speaker 2: that wasn't what kept me going. I live to some

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: in the audacity of other women, and so encouraging other

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Speaker 2: women to step up to run, showing them they can

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Speaker 2: do this, show them they can do anything personal, political, professional.

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: That is what I'm focused on.

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah. I love that. So then what feels like

1113
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: you're work in progress right now?

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Speaker 2: My work in progress is bringing this book into the world.

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01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: It has been like giving birth, writing it and now

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: announcing that it's here and letting people read it and

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,959
Speaker 2: getting their reactions. I'm so excited about that. Fire Starter

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Speaker 2: University is going to start in the fall, so it's

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Speaker 2: a year long online program based on the book. And

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Speaker 2: you know, then maybe I'll say, oh, I'm taking that

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Speaker 2: break that I talked about last time, and he knows

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Speaker 2: what will pop up.

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Speaker 1: I know, I think back to when we were all

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: away for our friend's birthday and you were like, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. I'm going to take a sabbatical.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

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01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: We can plan more getaways in the meantime. Maybe our

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Speaker 1: sabbaticals are just meant to be seventy two hours a time.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, you know, good bottle of wine. Nice you,

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01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: and then we're right back at it.

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Speaker 2: We're done.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming today. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the book. It it really is I'll echo, Maggie, it

1134
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: really is exactly what we all needed and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: it's here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.