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Speaker 1: number hashtag Giants Chat. We're going to talk about Georgia

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Speaker 1: prospects today as we continue our preview of the upcoming

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, so stay tuned for that. And the Giants

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Speaker 1: also added a new free agents. Free agent season is

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Speaker 1: not over just yet, Paul. They added another defensive act,

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Speaker 1: the fifth defensive act to be added this offseason. And

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Speaker 1: William Gay, who has been with the Steelers for pretty

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. And this is somebody that could provide

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Speaker 1: versatility in terms of this slot as well as the outside.

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Speaker 1: Thirty three years old, spent eleven years in the league,

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Speaker 1: mostly with Pittsburgh one year with the Cardinals. Has played

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff, who was durable, who was good in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. Uh, he is primarily now at this

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Speaker 1: stage of his career, a nickelback. Okay used to play

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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. So we'll get into William Gay a

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, and as we mentioned today, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: previewing the Georgia Bulldogs prospects that will be selected later

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Speaker 1: this month. That we're now joined by Seth Emerson for

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Journal Constitution. He covers the Georgia Bulldog Seth,

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Speaker 1: he got Lance Meadal Paul Detino with you here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: How's everything I'm doing great? Hope you guys are appreciate

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Speaker 1: it absolutely well. A lot of prospects coming out of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with arguably the best one, and that is

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Speaker 1: ro Kwan Smith at the linebacker position. A very versatile athlete.

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Speaker 1: Where do you see him transferring his skill set best

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Speaker 1: Seth Emmerson, who covers the Georgia Bulldogs for the Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Journal Constitution. Another notable defensive player in addition to Roquan

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Speaker 1: in my mind, and I think a lot of proteins

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Speaker 1: will be happy to get him too. He was he

432
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Speaker 1: was an undersized guy even here as a tackle, as

433
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Speaker 1: a guard. He was like, all right, that's ideal guys.

434
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Speaker 1: But Kirby Smart said the other day, and this is

435
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Speaker 1: him coming from Alabama where they were recruiting big five

436
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Speaker 1: star offensive linement all the time. Kirby Smart said that

437
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Speaker 1: when he got here two years ago, he wasn't too

438
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Speaker 1: excited when he saw Isaiah Win inside, but then he

439
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: started playing him and it was like, oh, he's really good.

440
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Speaker 1: The best that about Isaia A Win is that he

441
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Speaker 1: was a three year starter freshman year kind of as

442
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Speaker 1: a backup, then moved into the starting lineup at guard

443
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Speaker 1: his sophomore in junior year, but played some tackle at

444
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Speaker 1: the end of both years, and then played tackle all

445
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Speaker 1: of the senior years with Isaiah Win as a left tackle.

446
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: Georgia was nineteen and two. And I don't think that's like,

447
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't. I don't think that's

448
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: a coincidence. I think they were just good with him there. Um.

449
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Speaker 1: Having said that, does that mean that you put him

450
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Speaker 1: at a left tackle in the NFL? You know? Probably not.

451
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean it, he probably translates size wise to guard.

452
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Speaker 1: But I think it does speak well for his ability

453
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Speaker 1: to play guard at the pro level. And I wouldn't

454
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Speaker 1: be surprised if he if he's picked as the first

455
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Speaker 1: rounder Seth. With respect to his game, what jumps out

456
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Speaker 1: to you more? Is it the past protection of the

457
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Speaker 1: run blocking? Uh? Gee? I mean he was pretty good

458
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Speaker 1: at I will say that. You know, when I diagrammed

459
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Speaker 1: every game and watched every game over the last two years,

460
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Speaker 1: especially last year, and when there was a sack and

461
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Speaker 1: I was casting blame. I very rarely would say, Asaiah

462
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: went I can't even remember off the top of my head,

463
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Speaker 1: So I think run blocking sometimes you just kind of

464
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Speaker 1: take for granted, especially since Truck and Michelle were there.

465
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Speaker 1: But you know they had some they had some leaks

466
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Speaker 1: on past protection last year, but it was hardly ever

467
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Speaker 1: him Well said before we let you go. One follow

468
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Speaker 1: up to your point, because you mentioned though you take

469
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Speaker 1: things for granted with Chubb and Michelle in the backfield,

470
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Speaker 1: how much is their production because of their individual talents

471
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Speaker 1: in your mind that they can create something out of

472
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Speaker 1: nothing versus the production of what Georgia did on the

473
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Speaker 1: off shore line. Ah, I think it's so much them.

474
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Speaker 1: I go back to um Less Need, the Rams general manager, saying,

475
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: before you know, when they were doing their research and

476
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Speaker 1: before picking Todd Gurley, one of the things mentioned was

477
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Speaker 1: that he wasn't running behind a lot of really talented

478
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Speaker 1: guys when he was there, and and George's offensive line

479
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't really turn it around until this past year. Um

480
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: would win it. Left tackle. Uh, you know, they've got

481
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Speaker 1: some undersized guys that on the interior line, at least

482
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Speaker 1: at left guard and left and center. The right tackle

483
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Speaker 1: is good. He's moving the left tackle this year. Um,

484
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Speaker 1: but I think George is gonna get get it rolling

485
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: the offensive line because they're really recruiting well now. But

486
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: that line wasn't the reason that Chuff and Michelle were

487
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Speaker 1: doing anything. Um. In fact, as juniors, that line was was,

488
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Speaker 1: you know, pretty poor. They struggled, and I think part

489
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Speaker 1: of the reason that they did not go pro after

490
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Speaker 1: their junior years was they didn't have the strong junior

491
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Speaker 1: years that that anyone expected, partly because the holes weren't there.

492
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: The holes were there enough as seniors and and that's

493
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Speaker 1: when they really took advantage. I just want to make

494
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Speaker 1: sure before we let's set go. Uh, you know, when

495
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: did have the in knee and then he had the

496
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Speaker 1: torn labor room, which I guess we just learned a

497
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago that he that he played a

498
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Speaker 1: part of the season or half the season with it.

499
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Speaker 1: You don't think that's going to be an issue for him,

500
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: he said not. He played through it. Um, they kept

501
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: it quiet. I guess he heard in the Kentucky game.

502
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: I think it was the second last game of the year.

503
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm remembering a regular season. So he played through it

504
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: and played well. And I finally started to hear scuttle

505
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: about about it before the National Championship Game. Um, but

506
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't one of those things that was noticeable. We

507
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: weren't getting there going as anything wrong with Isaiah Win.

508
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Speaker 1: Seth Emerson covers the Georgia Bulldogs of the Atlantic Journal Constitution.

509
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Speaker 1: Seth really appreciate the time in the inside. Thanks so

510
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Speaker 1: much for coming on. Thank you, Seth, No problem. All right,

511
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Speaker 1: there you go, Seth Emerson laying out the prospects for

512
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Speaker 1: the Georgia Bulldogs. Two running backs of note, the offensive lineman,

513
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: and then a few verse until guys on defense. That's

514
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: six guys who were going to go you might say,

515
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: third round or higher. Maybe maybe one of them, maybe

516
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: Thompson's fourth maybe, But I mean we're talking about legitimate

517
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: half a dozen NFL MAKED players coming out of that program.

518
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: And that's what happens when you go to the National

519
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: Championship Game. Tends to bring up the stock of various

520
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: guys on the roster. One of the things that he

521
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: didn't mention. We didn't have time because obviously we wanted

522
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: to talk about so many different prospects. But I've heard

523
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: a lot of comparisons Paul of Sony Michelle to Alvin Kamara,

524
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: who went to the Saints last year. A lot of

525
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: similarities in terms of their game, their usage, their upside.

526
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, when he was very positive in terms of

527
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: his review on Michelle's pass pro yes, and that to

528
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: me is a really big deal. And and he even

529
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: said he might sneak into the first round. You know,

530
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: I think coming into this whole thing, a lot of

531
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Speaker 1: us thought that he would be a bona fide second

532
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Speaker 1: round pick, and that you know, John himself Schmell, one

533
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: of our guys here on the show, has been saying

534
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: all along, well, don't worry about passing on Barkley. If

535
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you know, maybe you're better off taking

536
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: Chubb or Nelson because you're gonna be able to get

537
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: somebody like Michelle later on in the second round. Because

538
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: we all know there's a crap a really good second

539
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: and third round running backs in this draft. Well, what

540
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: we're hearing now about Michelle, especially when you hear about

541
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Speaker 1: not only we know about his explosiveness, we know about

542
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: his hands, but now when we hear that he's the

543
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: best pass protective that Georgia had in the backfield. You know,

544
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, Mike. The cutups that I

545
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: looked at, I didn't see pass pro because it's all

546
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: about him getting the ball because he's a receiver to

547
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, you don't get that in the cut ups.

548
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: So now when you add that to the mix, you

549
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: say to yourself, you know what, he could be a

550
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: late first round pick. John better not be counting on

551
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: him to be available around two. Well, I think somebody's

552
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: gonna be around in round two, and the Giants probably

553
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: not him. Run backs, it may not be the most exciting,

554
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: most explosive of that next group after Barkley. I don't

555
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: think there's any question about that. Well, you certainly you

556
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: don't pick it up when you watch some film of

557
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: him because all of the highlights are usually him getting

558
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the frontle and doing something. But everything I have read

559
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: Paul about Sony Michelle, one of the first things they

560
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: point out excellent in terms of past protection, and that's

561
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: not something that you read about as the first thing

562
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: when you list the criteria for a running back. He

563
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: gets raved for reviews in that department, and that's something

564
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: rare that have not seen in recent draps. I don't

565
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: know when I read stuff, I don't necessarily know how

566
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: how that's been interpreted or how many people that's gone through.

567
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: So I like to see things to both. Yeah, we

568
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: don't get to see that though in the highlight package.

569
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: I think I think we shot Penny is the other

570
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: guy who was in that second cluster of game breaking

571
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: explosive backs. But we heard firsthand from San Diego, States

572
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: a radio analyst Wormburger Rich Hormburger say past protection is

573
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: going to be a question because he hasn't hardly done it. Yeah,

574
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: that's a big difference now between him and Michelle. Despite

575
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: the fact that Penny, I believe leed FCS and rushing,

576
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: I think you may be right in that depart FPS

577
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: and Russian well, he certainly and also played special teams too. Yeah,

578
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: so there was a variety of different things that he

579
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: was asked to do that sometimes of the other running

580
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: backs were not asked to do, which is also why

581
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have him in on third down all

582
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: the time because they don't want him to play, you know,

583
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: fifty some hut snaps. There will be some good backs

584
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: in this drafts depth and we've been talking about that.

585
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: It's not just the se Kwon Barkley show. He's the

586
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: prize possession. But if you don't get se Kwon Barkley,

587
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: to say that there's no opportunity to get a big

588
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: playmaker in the backfield, I think is misleading. There's clearly

589
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: a lot of other options there. And I do think

590
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: that the Chub becoming is we've all known going in,

591
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: and he didn't tell us anything that we didn't know

592
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: in terms of a sensibility to uh to express what

593
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Chub will do when you have a lead. He's a

594
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: perfect form, innute offense kind of back and the Giants

595
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: haven't had one of those while you know, so again,

596
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: it maybe where he goes. And you hate to say

597
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: this because so many people want to go best player

598
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: available and they want to look at the value board,

599
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: but when you taking a look at these two guys,

600
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 1: they're very different. It is a thunder and lightning combination

601
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: back there, and it kind of does depend more about

602
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: what you need and what your scheme is gonna be,

603
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: and what what you have a desire to pick up,

604
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: because you know, if you need the the explosive guy

605
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: or the guy coming out of the backfield, certainly you

606
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: want Michelle. But if you need the between the tackles, pounded,

607
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: kill the clock guy, you're gonna want Chubb and and

608
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: what do you have on your current roster? Well, guess what,

609
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the Giants don't have a power back on their roster.

610
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: So as much as Michelle, I think, by everybody's account,

611
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: great higher than Chubb. Chub maybe the better fit for

612
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: the Giants depending on the role that they envisioned for

613
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: somebody like him compared to what they already have on

614
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: the rocks. Think about Gaman and Perkins, but I mean,

615
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I still think different guys. Is a potential guy that

616
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: can be you're starting running back. I don't think that's

617
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: a stretch. Same thing that I believe Perkins is unfortunate.

618
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Perkins got hurt less. Neither one of those power backs,

619
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: like they're not power backs. In terms of the Garrett

620
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Blunt that he's gonna run over two or three defenders,

621
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. That doesn't mean though, that he

622
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: can't be a starting running back. That's my point. I

623
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: didn't say that. Yeah, you're just talking about a guy

624
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: who needs to pick up two yards on the somebody

625
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: like him, you know, And I get the puzzle better

626
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: than than a Michelle. But again, Michelle is a really

627
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: terrific all around prospect, and you couldn't cry if the

628
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Giants wound up with him and value you know later

629
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: on if they don't get blacked. The interesting thing is

630
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: they're both five eleven, they're both the same time size,

631
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: and there's only an eight pound differential terms of terms,

632
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: for though they are asked to do different things. To

633
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: your point, Paul and I get that from a physicality standpoint,

634
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: they're pretty much mirror images of one another. It's not

635
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: as if one guy's built like a rock and another

636
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: guy is this flimsy guy that you think is just

637
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna catch passes out of the backfield. Their measurements are identical.

638
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: So it just goes to show you even though measurements

639
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: are the same, it depends on role and what teams

640
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: ask you to do. How do you use our frame usage?

641
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: Big part of the conversation. Absolutely all right, So open

642
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: up the phone lines two zero three, hashtag Giants chat.

643
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: Phil is in North Carolina. He gets his gone, what's

644
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: happened to Phil? Yes? I want to talk about draft

645
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: strategy and and procedure. Uh. Mike Garoflo the other day

646
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: said something. I thought it very insightful that we're using

647
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: with the new sheriff and town. We're using a different

648
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: scheme in terms of who we are bringing in to

649
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: evaluate on our when we get a chance to bring

650
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: him in and look at him, whereas now we're we're

651
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: primarily focused on the higher level with mid level guys,

652
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: guys are going to be drafted. In the past, we

653
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: skipped over that and focused almost a good percentage on

654
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: on the guys who weren't going to be drafted. And

655
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: it's I thought that was insightful because you know, what

656
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: is that in our bugaboo, is that uh, you know,

657
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: we're maybe okay in the first round, but or from

658
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: the second through the sixth rounds. We were horrible for

659
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: uh ten years and uh, but we did once in

660
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: a while hit on the free agent. So I think

661
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: it's very insightful. And and when I heard the Ohio

662
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: State guy talked about the other day that we overdrafted Apple,

663
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: brought back a lot of band memories. So we actually

664
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: he didn't. He did. We got to correct you on

665
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Speaker 1: a couple of things. First of all, he did not

666
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: say we overdrafted Apple of the Giant stead he actually

667
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: said that Apple had an outstanding skill set and he

668
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: understood why he went there, so I would I would

669
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Speaker 1: correct you that kind. I beg the difference. The guy

670
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: absolutely said from Ohio State that when he was overdrafted

671
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: at the eleventh spots. I think a lot of people

672
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: I think what I think what he said that he

673
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: was good, but he definitely said he was overdra I

674
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: think what he said is a lot of people thought

675
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: he was overdrafted. I certainly didn't think that, and I

676
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: think people who understood Elie Apple better in terms of

677
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: what he had did not think he was overdrafted at all.

678
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: But having said that, having said that, the other thing

679
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: you must keep in mind is that the Giants having

680
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: picked number two in a long time, and when you

681
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: were in the second slot at the basically the start

682
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: of every round, by necessity, you now have to bring

683
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: in the bigger name prospects into these particular workouts because

684
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: you know that you're gonna have access to more of

685
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: these guys at the top of every round. So you know,

686
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: I like Mike, I just don't know that there's any

687
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: magical insight and what and what he's talking about, because

688
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: you need to bring in those bigger names when you

689
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: have access to them. If you're picking ten, fifteen, twelve,

690
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: whatever it is, further down in the draft, there's less

691
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: of a need to do that. Yeah, I don't think

692
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: strategy has changed it. I don't think it's more of

693
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: positioning in the draft. I would agree with Paul. And

694
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: to say that they never brought in any of the

695
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: top prospects over the last few years is completely misleading

696
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: to because I mean there were years where they were

697
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: taking uh, you know lands. I think you said, you

698
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: know during it they're focusing more on the draftable guys

699
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: rather than the free you know, the guys are going

700
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: to be undrafted in in uh you know, free agents

701
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: of central But but they're they're bringing in the list

702
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: of guys who they're bringing in are much more higher

703
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: profile guys. And again the reason for that is because

704
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: they're picking number two. But the the other thing that

705
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: you've got to keep in mind, Fill is remember there

706
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: are scouts that all year long are focused on certain

707
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: prospects in certain parts of the country. And if the

708
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Giants feel as if they've gathered enough information on a

709
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: specific prospect, they're gonna lean on that scout who probably

710
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: has had much more access to that player during the

711
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: course of the regular season than anybody in the building.

712
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: And if they don't feel as if they need another

713
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: meeting and they have everything in front of them, you know,

714
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you want to use your resources wisely too. Now

715
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that was happening in previous years, but

716
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: that can't be lost in translation. That you bring in

717
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: a guy usually when you probably want to collect more

718
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: information and there's more you really need to see so

719
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: that you have the complete package on that player before

720
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: you ultimately make the decision. Okay, so can I ask

721
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: you guys to do a little research for me? What

722
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: do you need? Can can we over the last ten years,

723
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: when we've missed out on a lot of guys like

724
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: Marvin Austin and those guys double Oh? Can you can

725
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: you kind of compile a listing of all the guys

726
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: that we actually took a look at, uh and drafted

727
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: versus the guys that we we didn't take a look

728
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: at and drafted, and see what are hid in this ratio?

729
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: Is well, but when you say when you say take

730
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Speaker 1: a look at it, you specifically saying that the guys

731
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Speaker 1: were brought physically into the building from workout because I

732
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: mean technically everybody you take a look at, you may

733
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: just not have them individually in for an individual workout,

734
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Speaker 1: So you know that, that's what I'm saying. I mean

735
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: they still guys, they drafted, They still were having an

736
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to their games and interacting with them

737
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: a little. They just didn't necessarily bring in everybody here

738
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: in the building. And and to be honest with you,

739
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: the official list of all the visits that teams take

740
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: uh is kept in the league office. That is not

741
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: something that people have access to. Now. What happens is

742
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: when you see in the papers and you hear on

743
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: Twitter and everything else that so and so is coming in.

744
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: That's because agents have leaked. At the fact of the

745
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: matter is when each of these teams get their thirty

746
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: official visits with prospects. The only people who have that

747
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: actual list is the team itself, which they keep private,

748
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: and the NFL offices. So I would not even think

749
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: about giving you, uh, you know, the stats saw that

750
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: because that anything that we would even have heard about

751
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: would have been here saying well and Phil listen appreciate

752
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: the phone call. I think in order to also have

753
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: a fair conversation on that subject that the last caller

754
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: brought up. You would also need to see, well, what

755
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: about in comparison other teams when they draft or don't

756
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: draft players that they had physically in their building. Is

757
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: to success rate any different from other teams. What I

758
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: will say to Phil is that it is a fact

759
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: that over the course of the last decade or so

760
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: many and I'm not I don't I don't know specific numbers,

761
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: and again because it's unconfirmed in a lot of ways

762
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: who was here and who was not here. But what

763
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I do know I can I can say with pretty

764
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: much certainty that plenty of the Giants first and second

765
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: round picks over the last decade to fifteen years did

766
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: not get individual visits. Now, in some of those years,

767
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: they were drafting quite a bit down. Further, especially during

768
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: the conflent era, when they the playoffs on half of

769
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 1: those seasons, and they were drafting in the bottom third

770
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: or even lower in the draft. I mean, you know,

771
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: in some cases, maybe they just felt there was lesser

772
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: need because the truth of the matter is to predict

773
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: who you're gonna be able to pick up it, let's

774
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: say the twentieth spot. I mean teams. Teams don't do that.

775
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: That's a waste of time because to try to think

776
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: of who you're gonna grab No. But number two you

777
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: pretty much know you have access pretty much No one

778
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be gone off the board. They're gonna pretty

779
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: much know that you're gonna have a free reign of picks.

780
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: The entire board is going to essentially be at your

781
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: disposal when you pick that. It does make a difference.

782
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: The mindset does change. Here's another example. I mean, I

783
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: don't remember off the top of my head land in Collins.

784
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: I mean that was somebody they acquired because they had

785
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: moved up. But probably most people are thinking, Paul, if

786
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: you go back to that draft, landon Counts is gonna

787
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: be off the board by the time the first round

788
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: in there, and there's no way that he's gonna be

789
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: there in the second. There were many who thought he

790
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: was going to be a late first round pick. There

791
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: were others who thought he'd be a mid second round pick.

792
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: Then the Giants saw him sitting there, still there and

793
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: made the trade to get to the top of the

794
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: second round to grab him. I will say this, I

795
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: have not talked to Dave Gentleman about this. We will

796
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: have a pre draft Dave Gentleman press conference where the

797
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: media will have access to the coming up in a

798
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: couple of in a couple of weeks, a week or so,

799
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Uh, here's what I will say. What

800
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: I do know is that the m A under Jerry Reese,

801
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: the Giants did not do a mock draft. Some teams

802
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: actually do. They will tell guys, spend some time and

803
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: try to compile information and try to do a mock

804
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: draft and come up with based on every piece of

805
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: information that you guys have heard about where we think

806
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: each one of these guys are going, and they actually

807
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: have a mock draft board in their room. Some teams

808
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: do that. The Giants on the Jerry Reese did not

809
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: do a mock draft board. They simply graded the players

810
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: how they graded them, clustered them together, and worked with

811
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: it from there as guys came off, guys came off.

812
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: There was no mock draft that they were thinking and

813
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: trying to figure out in each of the pics. Oh,

814
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I think that team has taken that guy. And I

815
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: think that team has taken that guy. They didn't do that,

816
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: So is Dave Gentleman going to that maybe a change

817
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. Maybe it's not. I don't really

818
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: answer to that. That would be a much more interesting

819
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: question for me than who they brought into for visits.

820
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: To be perfectly frank with you, yeah, I just feel

821
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, whether they do a not draft or not,

822
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: there's my personal opinion, Paul. At the end of the day,

823
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: you need to evaluate the talent, and you gotta go

824
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: with what you think of the talent. Whether you think

825
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the board or not, to me,

826
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: doesn't really help you in the long run. You like

827
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: the player, you think he's good value you take. The

828
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: thing might do to help you out is if you

829
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: really believe that you've got some good intel, and of

830
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: course good intel's hard to find these days. He's coming

831
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: into the draft, But if you really leave you have

832
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: some good intel, it might help you with your maneuverability

833
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be looking to make it move. That's

834
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: fair that that could be a component to that equation,

835
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: which which may be of some help. Of course, if

836
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: your intail is bad then maybe it Well you don't

837
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: want to swear I could see it being helpful if

838
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: the Giants in their mind want to trade down. Then

839
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: you want to start to think about, Hey, a guy

840
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: that we are very interested in, could we potentially still

841
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: get him if we move out of the number two spots.

842
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: But then I could see that conversation being helpful there

843
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: a little bit. But your number two, I don't really

844
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: think you need to worry about the number one, not

845
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: a sment. And even when you're thinking about who's gonna

846
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: be around in the second round, I think it's very

847
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: difficult to assess it because who knows what the hell

848
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: is gonna happen? It is. I think it would most

849
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: come into play if the Giants went to five with

850
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: the Broncrest, and then you have to say, okay, can

851
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: they get one of Barkley, Nelson or jubb uh In

852
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: all likelihood you know at least one, probably two of

853
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: those three gonna be gone. Or if you moved down

854
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: to twelve, then you make a deal with the what

855
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: if all three are gone? Well, that's another way where

856
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: mock draft, and they probably will be. You're not going

857
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: to touch those three guys at twelve. Let's say back

858
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: to the phone lines. Bob is in North Carolina. Bob,

859
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: what's happening. Hey, good morning, gentlemen, Good morning to you.

860
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: All right, good morning, listen. I have a very simple

861
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: philosophy here. First round, you gotta go with Barkley. You

862
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: have to go with Barkeley. And I'll tell you why.

863
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels when he was the head coach of the Giants,

864
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: he had one simple philosophy. Regardless of need, you always

865
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: go with the best talent. That's it. You always go

866
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: at the best talent. Well, Tom Boister was the director

867
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: of the college draft in those days, and that was

868
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: his philosophy. So be careful there. It wasn't part control

869
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: the draft. It was really Boister who worked with George

870
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: Young on that. Well. Okay, so here's what I have

871
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: to say. Nelson, of course, is the top prospect, absolutely

872
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: tremendous left guard. Now here's the thing, now, Paul, you

873
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: said that Giants don't have a fullback. I have to disagree.

874
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: It's supposed Jonathan still Word has a lot of gas

875
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: left in his tank. Now he was the only time

876
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: leading rusher at the North Carolina. I said power back.

877
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: I didn't say fullback. I said I think I think

878
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: at this stage of his career, if if if you

879
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: said to me, Hey, do the Giants have a guaranteed

880
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna milk a four minute offense and and

881
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: hold on to a four point lead for a victory.

882
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't know right now with myself, I don't know

883
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: that I've got confidence. I don't know that. I don't

884
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: know that I could say he did he could do it.

885
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he could be a goal line back though.

886
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that is different. Yeah, I get that

887
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: it's different. But did he in his career with the

888
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: North Carolina He has done good things in his career,

889
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: but again, at this point, you know, being one of

890
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: the three oldest backs in the National Football League, at

891
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: this point you have to wonder. But now to consider

892
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: this ball, Look how the rest that he is had

893
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: McCaffrey right, and of course, well, yeah, D'Angelo Williams in Carolina,

894
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: they were pretty the metric Newton he ran half the time, right,

895
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: So can he's arrested guy? I don't know if i'd

896
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: say he's rested. I mean, listen, the guys logged a

897
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: lot of mileage on his legs. I mean to say

898
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: that he's been sitting back on the couch for the

899
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: last five years let's go this. I let you guys

900
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: on this. Yeah, okay, go ahead, Okay, now you know

901
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: you know I say I want Barkley. He like like

902
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: used to say. He said, yeah, he's the best available talent.

903
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: And now what do you think let's just say Barkley

904
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: is not available. What do you think about Darius Guys

905
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: as the first round pick with the number two overall pick. Yeah,

906
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: I think that's the extreme stretch though, he's another one

907
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: of those guys on that next level of running backs

908
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: after Barkley, because there's a gap after Barkley. But then

909
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys clustered together who could either

910
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: be late first round or second round, and there's even

911
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: gonna be good talent in the third round at the

912
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: running back spot. But I listen, here's what I will say.

913
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: You don't think guys to be the number two guys

914
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: behind Barkley, but he's in that group. But the need

915
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: that group has a gap. But the whole point is, Bob,

916
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: from a value perspective, which was the whole point of

917
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: your argument, that you've got to take the best value

918
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: that's not the best value at the number two overall

919
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: pay it at all. So that defeats what your philosophy is.

920
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: He could very well be number two behind Barkley, but

921
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: you can wind up getting him in the second round.

922
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: So why are you going to use the second What

923
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: about a defensive end Bradley Chubb? That that I think

924
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: is more realistic at number two than guys. I mean

925
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: that makes a lot more sense in terms of matching

926
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: of value. Yes, and and really in reference to your

927
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: to your thoughts about Stewart, Look, I think enough about

928
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: Barkley that in my mind, I Barkley if he's there

929
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: at two, I think you take him regardless because I

930
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: think he's that spectacular and that much of a difference maker.

931
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: So the heck with going to get the power back,

932
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I'd take Barkley. Okay, what I'm saying is he's he's

933
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: a like above and beyond the rest. He's player. That guy,

934
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: He's exactly I read an NFL analyst online. You can

935
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: take it for what it's worth. He compared Barkley to

936
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: Edrian James, and he compared guys to Marshawn Lynch. Well,

937
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, the comparisons are always great until the guy

938
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: gets to the NFL and then we find out what

939
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: he really his. But but here's the point. If if

940
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: you if you don't take Barkley, if he's not available,

941
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: or you don't take him, and you still think that

942
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: the Giants need to fortify the backfield, the question becomes,

943
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: do you go after a guy like a Penny or

944
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: a guy like Michelle later on in the draft, second

945
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: or third round, or do you go for more of

946
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: a power guy like Chubb? And you know, and I all,

947
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: the only point that I was making is that I

948
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: do think that Jubb is being more of a power

949
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: guy might be a better puzzle piece fit for this

950
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: this Giant's team if if they don't get Barkley. That's

951
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: the only point I was making. That's that's all. I'm

952
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: not saying that that that's Stewart is a non factor here,

953
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: But for me, I think you have to be looking

954
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: forward if you're gonna draft the running back, you're not

955
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: just looking now, but you're looking forward. I mean, Stewart's

956
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: already thirty one. Even if he's on this team and

957
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: as a component for them this year, moving forward, how

958
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: many more years you're gonna get out of him. That's

959
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: why let's look at that guy. Just got from that

960
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: guy gay. They just got from Pittsburgh. Okay, he's got Okay,

961
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: he's been healthy his whole career. Right, how old is

962
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: he know? He's he's thirty three. He's been very fortunate. Yeah,

963
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: that's unusual. It really it is. It is no question.

964
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate the dream. Thank three is the telephone number.

965
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: Hashtag giants Chat. Let's go to James in Denver. James,

966
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: what's happening? Teams coming from the my city? How are

967
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: you doing today? How about what's happened? What do you

968
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: got for us? Um? Everything? Anything? So UM. I was

969
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: in to the conversation and even before I woke up

970
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: to some and I was already thinking about how you

971
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: talked too much about the different positions and the importance

972
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: and then you hit the nail right in the head

973
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: when you were talking about the running backs class and

974
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: where they're at. Um. I'm old school in my own

975
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: way because when I was a kid growing up, I

976
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: was watching the days of Carpenter, the Morris and the

977
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: great offensive line that was blocking, and the thing that

978
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: I loved so much about I was watching how the

979
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: team would just simply wear down that defense and they'd

980
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: use that running game and we would just melt the clock,

981
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: especially with that lead like you talked about, and we

982
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: would kill the game off. That's why someone to me, uh,

983
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: there's really no choice in in this kind of regard,

984
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: is to have to draft Quentin Nelson because you're not

985
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: going to find how someone that kind of talent anywhere

986
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: above the board. He can start with any team anytime, obviously,

987
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: and so everything speaks himself from his time at Notre

988
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: Dame and obviously in the Senior Bowl and combines, he's

989
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: proven himself. So but that's too with me, and I

990
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: agree what you were saying in other previous shows that, um,

991
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: you know whether he would go jack or not, he's reliable,

992
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: So you can't just have somebody else just walk right

993
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: in to take in that position that he does that

994
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: he can do. Now, getting back to what you were

995
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: talking about earlier about the running backs, I think that

996
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: most of the running backs are going to move rather quickly,

997
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: and as you know in previous drafts, as soon as

998
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: one particular player in a position gets taken, all of

999
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like a bunch of the other teams.

1000
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: Right after that with you and about faith and said,

1001
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: well I better draft that, Um, that position player whatever

1002
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: as well next because he might be the one that

1003
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: I want or something. It seems like it kind of

1004
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: runs that way at times. So I from talking to

1005
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: a couple of people, friends, fans of different clubs. When

1006
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of like say Detroit at twenty, UM, they're

1007
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: they're they're like really high on guys, especially Pittsburgh. UM.

1008
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: I got a lifelong friend who was a Steelers fan.

1009
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: They said they're just in love with him because especially

1010
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: the situation regarding Levian Bell and everything. Um, who knows

1011
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: how that's gonna playoff. They need someone who's gonna be

1012
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: able to step right in and do so. So I

1013
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: think some of those running backs are actually gonna go

1014
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: and the latter part of the first round, early part

1015
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: of the second round. So that's why one of the

1016
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: players that I was looking at was obviously Johnes from

1017
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: uh from USC. I know you have mentioned about some

1018
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: of the other running backs. I just want to get

1019
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: your opinion. Is there such a thing as being wrong

1020
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: or right if you're reaching or value. Who do you

1021
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: feel would be a legitimate value? UH say, if we

1022
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: do not make any moves, we're stuck where we're at,

1023
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: and we we go off on the pics on the

1024
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: rounds that we go to, especially they're running back. Would

1025
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: ron Jones be legitimate and for that value for that

1026
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: position or do you think there's anything wrong with the

1027
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: Giants said, you know, we really love this player more

1028
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: than anything else, and we're gonna get him instead. Well,

1029
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: the first thing I want to say is, in terms

1030
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh, they drafted James Conner in the third round

1031
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: last year, so I don't really think that running back

1032
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: is the number one priority for them. That doesn't mean

1033
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: they're not going to draft a guy, but they already

1034
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: have a young guy in the event that Levian Bell

1035
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: does hold out number two. I mean in terms of

1036
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones, I like Ronald Jones. I think he would

1037
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: be very good value if the Giants felt like they

1038
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: wanted to target him, not necessarily the first round, but

1039
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: if you want to go after him in the second

1040
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: or if he lasted the third round, I think that's

1041
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: certainly a legitimate choice. I think a lot of these

1042
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: guys are good value in the second round. I don't

1043
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: think it's a stretch. But the one thing I will

1044
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: say is if a couple of running backs start going

1045
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: to your point because you know teams are high on

1046
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: running backs and they they're worried that they're not gonna

1047
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: be on the board anymore. That's not a reason why

1048
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: you take a running back. You don't take a running

1049
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: back because of what other teams are doing. You take

1050
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: the running back because you think the value makes sense.

1051
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: The worst thing you could do in the National Football

1052
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: League is watch the trend play out in round one,

1053
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: round two and say, oh, well, they're flying off the

1054
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: board like crazy. Now we have to take one that's

1055
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: to me reaching and that's stretching. So if they're high

1056
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: on a guy, you should use the pick. If you're not,

1057
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: don't take them simply because other teams are going after

1058
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: that position. Now, I want to explain one thing to you,

1059
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: because you know I'm a hog molly guy too, all right.

1060
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: I always believe you're building the trenches, and I'm I'm very,

1061
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: very very much an offensive line advocate. The reason that

1062
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: if I were to make the picket number two, that

1063
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: I would go with Barckley over Nelson is simple. I've

1064
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: said this for months. If the Giants had enhanced their

1065
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: offensive line and made Barkley's pick worthwhile, then you'd have

1066
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: to take him because he is such a spectacular talent. Okay,

1067
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: if they had not enhanced their offensive line, then I

1068
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,959
Speaker 1: probably would be telling you right now that I would

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00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: want Quentin Nelson at number two. But I think the

1070
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: addition of Solder, the addition of Omama Hey, and I

1071
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: really believe that Flowers is gonna make the right tackle

1072
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: spot better than what Bobby Heart showed. They've already improved,

1073
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: in my mind, three positions on the offensive line. And

1074
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna draft another offensive lineman, probably a

1075
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: guard in the second or third round, exactly exactly. I

1076
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: I'd even take I'd even take a price, I mean,

1077
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: Pierce poor O'Neill. I mean even although reactions six and nine,

1078
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: and this question is about will its height. But I

1079
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: do think I do think that, you know, as I

1080
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: as I looked at at my chart on offensive lineman,

1081
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: and I went through this briefly the other day, I

1082
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: said to myself, you know, there's no question. I mean,

1083
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: look at I'm looking at this, and there are guys, man,

1084
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: there are guys that they're gonna be able to get

1085
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: in the second and third round who are going to

1086
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: compete for a starting job. So they might have four

1087
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: upgrades by the time they get to opening day along

1088
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: that offensive line. That says to me, and we've talked

1089
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: about this too, they had to get at least three

1090
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: upgrades on the offensive line, right we said, either one

1091
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: free agent or two draft Well, if I subverse some combination,

1092
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: well it looks like they're gonna be able to do it.

1093
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: So that says to me, Yeah, you can take the

1094
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: superstar running back. You can take Barkley at two because

1095
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: you will have an upgraded line that's gonna help him

1096
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: maximize his potential. If they didn't upgrade the line, then

1097
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: I probably be would be with you and say, you

1098
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: know what, I'm fighting for courting Nelson at number two.

1099
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: But right now I'm I'm a Barkley guy. I mean,

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00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: I would go with Barkley over Nelson, but I would

1101
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: agree with the caller. I still think Nelson's good value

1102
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: at number two if he's the guy that you want.

1103
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: Because while I agree with you take Barkley, I'm gonna

1104
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: take Nelson. And while I agree with you that I

1105
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: think they've made improvements to the offensive line. If Nelson

1106
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: once again is a guy that you feel for the

1107
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: next ten years, he's going to be an anchor to

1108
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: your old line. You still need to think that way,

1109
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: because remember, it's not just about the two thousand eighteen

1110
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's about how the offensive line breaks down

1111
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: for you. Guys are young enough though they've got some are,

1112
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: but but not everybody I think is gonna be here

1113
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: automatically for the next four or five years. Whereas Nelson,

1114
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: you draft him, you know at least hey four to

1115
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 1: five years, and we feel like he's gonna warrant another

1116
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: contract after that. Soldiers Soldiers being thirty, he could still

1117
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: play until the thirty seven thirty eight offensive lineman do that.

1118
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: He's the old man on the on the line. So

1119
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: I would disagree with well, but a guy here. But

1120
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about just the tackles, and Nelson's

1121
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: not playing tackle. I'm talking about the guards right now.

1122
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's John Jerry gonna be here for the

1123
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: next four or five years, I would think not but

1124
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: the Jaguars guy they just signed. Okay, but then if

1125
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: they draft a guard, he's gonna be well, but that's

1126
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: one guard. My point is, if you could have Patrick

1127
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: Omamay and Nelson, I think you feel a lot better

1128
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: that you've perhaps solidified two guard spots. Nelson's an upgrade

1129
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: no matter what, So that that that's my bigger point here. Anyway.

1130
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: I love what you're saying, and I'm just simply and

1131
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: I love that were playing the Devil's advocate. It's just

1132
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: that the old regime, you know, I know, it's I know,

1133
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to not to say what could have Shu.

1134
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the people we miss, like the Stanley

1135
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: from the Conklins, and we get one of those guys,

1136
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be looking at so much of what we're

1137
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: dealing with right now. Now we're thinking like, why don't

1138
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: we go after Nelson and not I mean not of

1139
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: let's just not saying he's a gold jacket guy and

1140
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: he could very well be, but at least a constant

1141
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: pro Bowl guy that um, you know that it's just

1142
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, picnicking with things. That's right, and it doesn't

1143
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: hurt to have enough debt, which I understand why you

1144
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: think that you can get a U offensive guard or

1145
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: tackle in the later rounds, but just to say you

1146
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: want to go for a home run guy like Barkley,

1147
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: which I love very much and I don't want to

1148
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: get like I feel like I'm talking lastman here. But

1149
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: I just think honestly that there's enough debt. Just like

1150
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: you were saying about the running back um when you're

1151
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: talking about Barkley and there's a drop off, I think

1152
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: there is a drop off from Nelson to some of

1153
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: the other girls. Yeah, I absolutely absolutely agree with you.

1154
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: That's a stretch at all. And appreciate the thank you.

1155
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: I won't I don't stay on the line. Let you continue,

1156
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: but thank you for your time. You got it. The

1157
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: other thing you got to take into consideration too, is

1158
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, if your offensive line is in good shape,

1159
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you necessarily need a number one overall

1160
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: running back to have production. That's true. I mean Kareem Hunt,

1161
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: for example, was drafted in the third round by the

1162
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs last year. Kansas City had one of the best

1163
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: rushing attacks in the NFL. Saint's got Kamar. So there

1164
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: you go. So that line is in order, you can't

1165
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: have success as we sit here today, there's no right answer. Okay,

1166
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: it's just different. Well, I will tell you whether or

1167
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: not Nelson eventually gets a Golden jacket. We know he

1168
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: looks good in the Golden Dome. That's fair. Yes, I

1169
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: didn't think you were gonna go the color route, but

1170
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: I will buy that. All right, let's get back to

1171
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: the line. Keith is in New York. Keith, what's happening? Hello,

1172
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: last Cool, I'm calling about the draft. I'm really feeling

1173
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson and State Kuon Barkley. But with the State

1174
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: Kuan situation, I feel like we could get better value

1175
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: in the later rounds. Like I feel like it's a

1176
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: running back that's not being talked about. Royce Freeman, who

1177
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a great running back. He had

1178
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: to win back to school. He had a great year

1179
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: last year. He had a little at fourteen hunt a

1180
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: yard and like touchdowns, and nobody's talking about him. And

1181
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, go ahead, no, we're listening. There

1182
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: are in this draft. There are a lot of running

1183
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: backs in this draft. I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong.

1184
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: There are plenty of them. I mean, you know, the

1185
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: one thing. The one thing about Freeman alright, coming out

1186
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: of out of the Duck system in Oregon, uh, a

1187
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: little bit less explosive than maybe some of the other guys.

1188
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: I think he's more on the back end of that

1189
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: second cluster of running backs. You know me, but that

1190
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: doesn't mean again, it doesn't mean he's I'm with you.

1191
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: I think he's a make it NFL running back. I

1192
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: agree with you. Freeman also had a knee injury too,

1193
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: which is something you need to take into consideration as well.

1194
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, but also so they um Chubb. Yeah, but

1195
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: but Trump hasn't gone into the NFL yet, so I mean,

1196
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: we don't know how that did. But over fifteen time, ye,

1197
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: I think Freemans could be in the probably third or

1198
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: fourth round, and I think he's got to make it great.

1199
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: So I understand that I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you.

1200
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: I also love Darius that I feel like you being

1201
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: slept on because two thousand and sixteen Darius Guys was

1202
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: a beast, and then he had the ankle injury this year,

1203
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: and I feel like that really slowed him down, but

1204
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: he's still ran hard always, and I feel like that

1205
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: if we was able to pick him up in the

1206
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: second round, if we do decide to go Quentin Nelson

1207
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: in the first round, I feel like that would be

1208
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: a great combo because Quentin Nelson could also help with

1209
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: the power run and also protect Eli, and I feel

1210
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: like that would be a more great I don't know.

1211
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a more value pick, but se Kwon

1212
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: Barkley's upside is like too hard to pass up. You

1213
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: got that type of running back late. I'm gonna give

1214
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: O'Dell his lady on Bell. I'm gonna give him one

1215
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: of those running backs that could help bring draw the

1216
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: safety down into the box and give these our great

1217
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: receivers one on one opportunities on the outside. And that's

1218
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: the only thing I would like to say. I take

1219
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: the rest of it over here, you guys have a

1220
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: great day. I'm gonna keep saying this until something changes

1221
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: my mind, and I don't know that it will. First

1222
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: priority stills to get the boatload of picks and the

1223
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: possible deal. Second priorities to get Barkley. Third priorities to

1224
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: get Nelson. Fourth priority is to get Chubb. And I

1225
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: don't think the Giants can go wrong if they wind

1226
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: up with any one of those four options. I really don't.

1227
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: And and and John and I talked yesterday, what if

1228
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: you have to go one more option, I would probably

1229
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: go Michael Fitzpatrick. And I don't think. I don't Yeah,

1230
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: And I don't think I'd be crying if I got

1231
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: hit by there. I don't even know if we would

1232
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: we really even get to that option down. Okay, that's

1233
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: what you were talking about, because I'm I'm in my mind,

1234
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: I've been visioning two and I'm like, you're listening. You're

1235
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: listing seventeen different options. Like by the time you stay it, too,

1236
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: you should be a trade down to somewhere in the

1237
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: top ten. If they get to twelve. Mike McGlinchey will

1238
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: be there at twelve. I wouldn't be crying if they

1239
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: picked him either. It's good to have options, As I

1240
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: always said. Ray Kuan Smith is another guy John threw out.

1241
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: He said, well, how about him if they moved down?

1242
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: You can't cry if they You just gotta be careful

1243
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: when you start saying moving down because once you leave

1244
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: the top ten, it becomes risky. Well yeah, because you're

1245
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: outside of the top tier of prospect. So you have

1246
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: to be careful. And while volume is always a benefit,

1247
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: because that's obviously the benefit of making a trade to

1248
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: get volume, to get more picks, no question, it's all

1249
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: about what you do with the picks. The volume alone,

1250
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: Paul doesn't equate the good value. What are you gonna

1251
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: do with those picks you can have, And that's the

1252
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: ream example on the opposite end of the spectrum. But

1253
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: remember I also referenced the r G three trade Paul

1254
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: and what the Rams got back, and there's only one

1255
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: guy currently on the Rams roster that was acquired with

1256
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: those picks through the draft. So even when you're on

1257
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: the flip side and you collect all the picks, it's

1258
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: not guaranteeing bringing home Again. When Dallas fleeced the Vikings

1259
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: in the hershel Walker deal, that entire hole wound up

1260
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: turning into a mini dynasty. It did, But here's the

1261
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: other thing that people tend to forget. The Cowboys also

1262
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: made a number of trades after the initial trade to

1263
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: get those picks, so it's it wasn't just like one bang,

1264
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: here's everything, and now with the craft, they then turned

1265
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: in accumulation into other players. So it's a little misleading

1266
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: when everybody says, well, look at what happened in the

1267
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: herschel Walker trade, you gotta look at the details of

1268
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: that trade and how many different parts actually ultimately were

1269
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: thrown together to help build the Cowboys dynasty. With that

1270
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: being said, certainly appreciate all the phone calls and all

1271
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: the tweets. Next Monday, we will continue our preview of

1272
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft is you guys are gonna focusing on

1273
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: Penn State and then we're gonna have a number of

1274
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: different schools that we're gonna hit on on Tuesday, so

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