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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. Oh it's a Monday outside, a

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Speaker 2: cold Monday, a snowy monday, if you're in the nation's capital,

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Speaker 2: and it's one hell of a Morning Combat Monday. Hello everyone, welcome.

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Speaker 2: My name is Luke Thomas. That is the man over

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Speaker 2: there with the gloves on his hands because he doesn't

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Speaker 2: know what he's doing. That's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, Luke, Yeah, yeah, sorry, Well it was a

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Speaker 2: I bet, I bet you are welcome to Morning Combat,

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Speaker 2: every one, episode five thirty seven, here on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: as I mentioned before, from the capital of the Status

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Speaker 2: of Needles, right here in Washington, dc BC. Are you

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Speaker 2: getting a snowy Monday up there in Connecticut?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not, Luke. I've actually had sun the last

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Speaker 1: two days, which has been an incredible oasis in the

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Speaker 1: desert of my seasonal winter depression. But I will say, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Luke, Okay, human centipede style, that's what it's going to be,

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Speaker 2: human centipede. How is it possible that the owner of

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Speaker 1: Because he knows his fan base, he knows his clientele,

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Speaker 1: Luke Okay, he knows they'll show up and do something

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Speaker 1: stupid to put the mafia over. But hey, shout out

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Speaker 2: Right. Oh my god, dude. I sat there and watched

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Speaker 2: second best is watching the Cowboys get thumped on national television, which,

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Speaker 1: It's okay because Crawford from Nebraska is a Packers fan,

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Speaker 1: as they have claimed the entire Midwest. Luke, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: We're dreaming big and you might be asking, well, where's

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Speaker 2: We can't wait to show you. We genuinely cannot wait

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Speaker 2: with that in mind, BC topic number one. We go

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Speaker 2: UFC Vegas eighty four BC. My first question for you

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Speaker 1: My answer, the only negative part of my answer is

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Speaker 1: I mean by that is Jamal Hill has next. He

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Speaker 1: to be against Israeli Adessinia Adsoygna, however you want to

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Speaker 1: But Luke, the spirit of your question is this is

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Speaker 1: what he achieved what you asked? Yes, he did and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the answer is he is most

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Speaker 2: We were surprised the first time for shot Evans was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: a performance like that, it doesn't erase history, obviously, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he needs fire. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: He didn't come out and try to just out technical him.

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Speaker 1: He threw in the explosive stuff that you mentioned that

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Speaker 2: three percent to the leg. I would call that good diversity.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this one from Saturday ABC. Here was Magamont

431
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Speaker 2: Unclive's targeting in the second fight to the head twenty percent,

432
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 2: twenty percent, to the body fifteen, and then to the

433
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Speaker 2: leg sixty four percent. One of the big question marks

434
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Speaker 2: that came out of the fight with Behovich was his

435
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 2: own leg kicking game, both off defensive and defensive in

436
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: what he was willing to do about it. You see,

437
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: here's the interesting part about on Calive. He still might

438
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: be a bit of an error prone guy when it

439
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: comes to new or unusual circumstances, But the thing that

440
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 2: I take from him is that he does learn his

441
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: lesson pretty well. Right. If someone shows him a problem

442
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: in a fight that he has to deal with, maybe

443
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: he overcomes it, maybe it's a draw. But by the

444
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: second or third fight after that, you can begin to

445
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 2: see it's not the same guy anymore. Here was a guy,

446
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Speaker 2: and by the way, Walker was throwing seventy nine percent

447
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Speaker 2: to the leg as well. It wasn't like this wasn't

448
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: just one way traffic, and so at least in terms

449
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 2: of targeting anyway. So the point I'm trying to make

450
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: here is BC having a fight like Belhovich and then

451
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Speaker 2: having a fight like Walker the one, the last one,

452
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: and now this one. It looks to me like one

453
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 2: of his deficiencies in terms of by the way, open stance,

454
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: inside leg kicking, but more defensively checking it himself. He

455
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: got a lot better through this process. He actually really

456
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: dialed back I should say eliminated a strong word. He

457
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 2: sufficiently mitigated the problem in a way I don't think

458
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 2: he was able to heading into the Blahovich fight. This

459
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: only adds to his well roundedness. So is he completely

460
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: going to be error free going forward. No, quite, Obviously

461
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 2: he will not, but some of the things that already

462
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Speaker 2: held him up, given that he already had a good foundation.

463
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Speaker 2: But some of the things that already held him up,

464
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Speaker 2: I believe he's made a meaningful contribution towards addressing and

465
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Speaker 2: I think a fight like this tells you a lot

466
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Speaker 2: about that.

467
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Speaker 1: Luke Key question about his future. If they don't put

468
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Speaker 1: this title in this division at stake at three hundred

469
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Speaker 1: or immediately right after it. And let's say there is

470
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Speaker 1: a future in which Hill does get the next title shot.

471
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Speaker 1: Would an Kalia be better served waiting? Would he be

472
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Speaker 1: forced to face a top contender he has yet to face.

473
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Speaker 1: What do you believe on that? Because we do have

474
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Speaker 1: a Blahovich Rackage fight coming up.

475
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Speaker 2: I believe we do UFC three hundred if memory serves.

476
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Speaker 2: Here's the other part too, BC on Calia devout Muslim.

477
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Speaker 2: He might want to take Ramadan. I don't know exactly

478
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: what that's going to do for all the matchmaking there either,

479
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: so he might not get it. It may be I

480
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to end up doing. I

481
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Speaker 2: don't really know how to answer that question in terms

482
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Speaker 2: of the calendar of it. But I just feel like,

483
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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not like a fight like this

484
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Speaker 2: erases all of your doubts about him or like makes

485
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: you think, oh, he's completely overcome it. But BC, I

486
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 2: do believe he is starting to defensively shore up and

487
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: not just jump into the kind of mistakes he jumped

488
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Speaker 2: into before. Like no one's going to get another triangle

489
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Speaker 2: him in the earth.

490
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Speaker 1: He's just scary mofo. So I'm happy for his case

491
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Speaker 1: that he didn't get the even a fifty to forty

492
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Speaker 1: five with dominant wrestling, Luke, where there was no doubt.

493
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Speaker 1: It still doesn't have that same impact of what this

494
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Speaker 1: finish had. I mean, we talk a lot and we

495
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: probably will about that incredible uppercut that archer better beeve

496
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Speaker 1: Land on the throat of Callum Smith that was replayed

497
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Speaker 1: so often on social media after that fight on Saturday.

498
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: But the uppercut that Nkliah did to shatter the nose

499
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Speaker 1: of Johnny Walker after he had all in was slumped

500
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Speaker 1: down on the cage. I mean, that's just nasty for

501
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: rank Ali have safe, Luke. I'd be running that replay

502
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: on a loop around my house for the next week

503
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: to really remind him that's who you are, that's who

504
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: you can be, that's who you should be. Dude, he's

505
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: got the car and drive. Now he's a scary mofo.

506
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Speaker 1: He's a hammer in my cabinet, so to speak. Luke, Okay,

507
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: he's coming on. I'm happy to see this because I mean,

508
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: in our shoes when we break down, review and preview

509
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: these fights so specifically as we do, you hate to

510
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: see wasted potential or or in you know, anything in

511
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Speaker 1: that category. It's time for anklelve to put that behind

512
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: him in man, dude, When he does, he is perfectly

513
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: well rounded. He really is the potential kryptonite for every

514
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Speaker 1: single style that you see across the top ten in

515
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Speaker 1: this division.

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Speaker 2: All right, with that in mind, BC, let's go to

517
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Speaker 2: topic number two if we can. So let's talk about

518
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: Jim Miller. He gets a third round submission finished, which,

519
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: by the way, Abee, I was looking at some of

520
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: his numbers, he had like a series of like four

521
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: losses in a row around twenty seventeen, and then since

522
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: then he's been a little bit up, a little bit down.

523
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 2: But he's had nine wins since that big losing streak,

524
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Speaker 2: which I think ended with Thiagua Alvez. Right, all of

525
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: those wins have been via stoppage, all of them. So

526
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: to the extent he's won, he's won via stoppage. He

527
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: had five in the first round, three in the second round,

528
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: and then Saturday against Mowgli Benitez Gabriel Benitez it was

529
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Speaker 2: in the third round. Here's a simple question for you.

530
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Speaker 2: He has the most amount of fights, he has the

531
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Speaker 2: most amount of wins in UFC history. Does he belong

532
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Speaker 2: in the UFC Hall of Fame.

533
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Speaker 1: So normally i'd give you the stock answer that I

534
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Speaker 1: always give for someone of his ilk when they're entering

535
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: this point with the UFC, you would say, well, it

536
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: depends on the criteria. If we're using the UFCS criteria,

537
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Speaker 1: he's already in, because it does seem to be a

538
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Speaker 1: somewhat soft criteria, not comparable, as we always say, to

539
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Speaker 1: the more stricter standards of the Pro Football Hall of

540
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Speaker 1: Fame or the Baseball Hall of Fame in New York.

541
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Speaker 1: But Luke, but you really do have to look at

542
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: this close forty years old in a division where age

543
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: becomes a negative after thirty five, especially for your title hopes.

544
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't have title hopes though, or maybe he shouldn't

545
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: in this spot, but he's won five out of his

546
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: last six, and as you indicated, five finishes, he's actually

547
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: in some ways getting better with age fight by fight.

548
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: It's incredible, and I think because the UFC has allowed

549
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: him a celebrated victory lap where every time Jim Miller

550
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Speaker 1: fights the last three, four or five six fights and

551
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: probably from now until he walks away, they've really played

552
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: up the idea of look at this guy, look at

553
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Speaker 1: the consistency, look at the longevity, and rightfully so, but

554
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: I think because of that showcase element, it's really made

555
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: us dial into two categories. Most wins in most fights,

556
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Speaker 1: there are most appearances in the octagon that we sometimes

557
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's an afterthought to us, it's a compiler number.

558
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, you were you know, you were pretty

559
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: damn good for a long time. Unfortunately, though, you never

560
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: really became very good or great or had a title fight,

561
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Speaker 1: And that's always been the thing in our minds that

562
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: hold him back, whereas maybe somebody like a cowboy Seroni

563
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: is a little bit more borderline, never got past a

564
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: title shot, but was a character fought anybody, was willing

565
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: to fight, everybody always put on good shows. A guy

566
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: like that is always going to be borderline because they

567
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: don't meet the official criteria, but they get in other ways.

568
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I think now, even me, who has this very stringent

569
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: sort of well the UFC should you know, mine their

570
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: own business in their own house a little closer and

571
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: have better standards, Luke, he might be getting closer to

572
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: push past those any of the standards. Now why because

573
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Speaker 1: of this win streak five out of his last six,

574
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Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody could have seen coming. Even

575
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: though he's fighting second tier competition, He's not fighting nobody's right,

576
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: he's not fighting clowns. He's now pushing his lead in

577
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: each of these categories, whether he holds onto them or not.

578
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: He's starting to build enough of a gap where it's

579
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: one thing to say, look, I'm the winningest fighter in

580
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: UFC history, when Cowboy Seroni might have a fight next

581
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: week or Arlavsky and they could tie you or pass you,

582
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really have that significance. I think the

583
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: longer that Jim Miller makes both of these records his

584
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: own and every time he fights, including the upcoming hopeful

585
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: ceremonial three hundred appearance, which would give him one hundred,

586
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: two hundred and three hundred, I'm wondering, now, Luke, if

587
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: this is enough of a renaissance, because the UFC has

588
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: bought into it and really promoted it and given him

589
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: the chance to shine, that maybe we do have to

590
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: change our ways. If he's able to retire as the

591
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: winningest fighter in the company's history by enough of a

592
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: margin and have the record for most appearances and be

593
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: this guy who's got this longevity, workmanlike smile on his face.

594
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: Seems to be a great dude from what we know. Yeah,

595
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if he has, because of this, worked himself

596
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: into position to get in there under any circumstances possible.

597
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: That's a credit. That's a credit obviously to his work ethic,

598
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: his belief, his ability to bounce back from defeat, injury,

599
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: and all of that. But Luke, tell me if I'm wrong.

600
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: You know how hard I am in these categories, like

601
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: if you're not of that ilk like you know, for example,

602
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: people wanted to put Paul Pierce on the the Celtics

603
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore after he won one championship. I'm a Celtics fan.

604
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: I love me some Paul Pierce. But then dude won

605
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: one championship beginning put them over with Bill Russell on

606
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: all these other guys. Like, let's not live in recency here.

607
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: There's certain ways where I have to have lines and limits.

608
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: But dude, if Jim Miller's going to be four or

609
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: five six wins ahead of somebody else, this is an

610
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: incredible career. It's a backdoor way to get there, Luke,

611
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna hold it back. Yeah. If this

612
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: keeps up, Jim Miller for the Hall of Fame is

613
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: gonna get my vote.

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Speaker 2: To man, I'm torn on this one. I'm torn on

615
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: this one, and I'll tell you why. It's like I

616
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: look this up before today's show. You can find guys

617
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: in the for example, the MLB Hall of Fame who

618
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: didn't really do anything super special other than just play

619
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Speaker 2: and win for a really long time. Guys like gay

620
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: Lord Perry, Guys like I look this up Don Sutton,

621
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, guys in the case of Perry having like

622
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: three hundred wins over the course of some kind of career,

623
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Speaker 2: like not notable achievements other than that, but he was

624
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Speaker 2: able to get in. Here's the problem. We see those

625
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: are off and edge cases, which other folks now in

626
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: the modern age think those guys don't belong in the

627
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame and it was actually a mistake to

628
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: put them in. But they did in fact get in

629
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Speaker 2: for some kind of longevity. So the question is, to

630
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Speaker 2: the extent we want to look at what other Hall

631
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Speaker 2: of Fames do are their athletes who enter not for

632
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Speaker 2: the peak achievement that the sport has to offer, but

633
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: for consistent achievement over a long period of time. The

634
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: answer is yes. That answer is yes, you can find them,

635
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: but they themselves are edge cases and complicated. I want

636
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: to see the compiler.

637
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Speaker 1: And every thought he was going to get in, he

638
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: got in very late in the voting process.

639
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So my point is this, BC, in

640
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: the case of Jim Miller, I don't want to disrespect

641
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: what he's doing in any way. In fact, here's the truth, man.

642
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: I love what he is doing. I absolutely love it.

643
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is BC. We always

644
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: thought that the old guy move in MMA was to

645
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: go to Belatzu or right this is, you know, five

646
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: six years ago and fight other old guys in some

647
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: kind of old guy Tito versus Chail kind of fight. Right,

648
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: that's what we thought the old guy move was, and

649
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: for the right kind of guy, for the right kind

650
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: of moment. I suppose that it could be Mike Tyson,

651
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Roy Jones Junior putting on an exhibition, for example. There

652
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: are those opportunities. But I love what Jim Miller is

653
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: doing because it's the opposite of that. He realizes he

654
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: cannot fight the best of that division, probably not even

655
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: like the second best of that division. He has to

656
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: fight newcomers, or, in the case of guys like Benitez,

657
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: guys who've been there a while but are kind of

658
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: up and down perennially. You know, they have notable flaws

659
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: they have they have some strengths you have to watch

660
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: out for. But it's a solvable puzzle in the end.

661
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: He adapted the matchmaking he was accepting in accordance with

662
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: a way that actually made sense for the division, right,

663
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: because he is acting as kind of this sort of

664
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: litmus test slash gatekeeper. The UFC finds that valuable these

665
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: other guys if they're able to get a win, by

666
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: the way, because I think Hernandez got to win over

667
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: him recently. If memory serves right, that can be very valuable.

668
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: So it works for both parties in that sense, and

669
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: it works for Jim Miller because he's not out there

670
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: taking on tasks that are otherwise stupid or insurmountable for

671
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: some kind of like obvious check. He is at heart

672
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: a prize fighter, yes, but the reason why he does

673
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: this is it feels like this is the appropriate kind

674
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: of master's division that should exist in MMA, right, in

675
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: master's jiu jitsu, it's old guy versus old guy in

676
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: a separate division. If you're above a certain age, you

677
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: just go and compete over there. And there's levels to

678
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: that as well. There's Masters one, Master's two, Masters three,

679
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: and so on. Right, we don't really have that in

680
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: MMA in a way that works the same kind of way.

681
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: This is a better way to do the master's division.

682
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: But BC, if you win something major in the Master's division,

683
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 2: it doesn't count in the same kind of way as

684
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: it does to win a world championship. To the extent

685
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: that the UFC has ever had rankings, I don't think

686
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: Jim Miller's even been ranked, or certainly not even been

687
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: inside the top ten. He's just a guy who's been

688
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: consistently on the outside looking and although very skilled and

689
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: although very talented, never fought for a title, never really

690
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: got close. I don't really know what to do with

691
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: a guy like that, because I do think that creating

692
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: longevity over time is its own kind of achievement that

693
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: has to be respected. It is it is not easy

694
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: to do what he's doing, even though he's doing it

695
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: in a sober and interesting way.

696
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Let's say it, though. Longevity when you are losing more

697
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: than your winning is one thing. Longevity. When you've got

698
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: a wind streak of five of your last six, all

699
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: five by stoppages, and a lot of these in very close,

700
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: odd fights where you're the old gatekeeper and we're not

701
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: really sure what to expect. That's different, Luke. That is

702
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: different than just hanging on losing two went into going

703
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: back and forth and just being a hand. I think

704
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: he's actually elevated above that. I think that's the difference.

705
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: I see, all right, fair enough. My answer to this

706
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: would be, so this was what forty three wins? I

707
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: believe he's had a forty three fights. I believe he's

708
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: had forty three fights night wins. What am I saying?

709
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: Forty three fights? B see? I'll say this. I don't

710
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: know what his future holds. Maybe folks are ready to

711
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 2: do it now.

712
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: Fifty five fights?

713
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Could he get Yeah, I'm just saying UFC UFC fights.

714
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Could he get to fifty? Could he get to fifty fights?

715
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: You think? Is that possible? Because let me just say

716
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: this out loud, dude, win or lose even if you

717
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: went fifty to fifty, right, twenty five and twenty five

718
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: fifty UFC fights is an incredible feat that is something ridiculous, right,

719
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: we have to find some kind of way to honor that.

720
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 2: I just feel like putting that alongside the guys who

721
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: hold titles and defend them multiple times and beat other

722
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 2: pound for pound greats. These are not the same kinds

723
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: of achievements and they don't deserve to be placed alongside

724
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: each other in the same way.

725
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they don't. They don't. And normally, like I said,

726
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: I didn't fully flesh out that Paul Pierce point. But

727
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: the reason why I was so angry as a Celtics

728
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: fan in O eight when Sports Talk Radio was trying

729
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: to put him up there with with Havlichik and Bird

730
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: and Russell and Kouzi was I was like, look, Paul Pierce,

731
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: great player, but you know, if you're gonna if you're

732
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna be on the Rount rushmore, in that case, you

733
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: better be a multi time MVP, you better wan a

734
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: handful of championships all of that. It's normally where I

735
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: stand on this debate of Hall of Fame or not.

736
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if you're not a title contender or

737
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: weren't in very big fights, then what else are you

738
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna lean on? We allow that to become a gray

739
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: area when you get someone like an Arturo Gatti who

740
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: made nothing but great fights in boxing, and they sort

741
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: of said, all right, we you know, we kind of

742
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: want this, let's welcome him in here. I think in MMA,

743
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, I gave the cowboy example that's sort of

744
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: an extreme one because he was his own brand. He

745
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: was an attraction to himself. He represented the UFC brand,

746
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: yet was like a superstar just by being a badass.

747
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: Can Jim Miller have his own version of that personality,

748
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: that reputation that pairs with the all time winning record,

749
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: and then we just say, you know what, it's okay

750
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: once in a while to just applaud a really good

751
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: guy who was consistent, but he also got better with age.

752
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: And again, look, if he had lost you know, five

753
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: of his last seven here in this stretch, even with

754
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: the UFC wins record, maybe I wouldn't be as favorable

755
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: in this discussion. But when he's trending upward like this,

756
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: to your point, fulfilling a role within the UFC as

757
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: a veteran fighter who's either who you have to either

758
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, be or look good against to know what

759
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: level you're at, and he's distancing himself in the in

760
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: the wins race all time, it just might be enough.

761
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: And he's a really good dude on top of that,

762
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: it just might be enough for him to carve out

763
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: his own sort of unique entry into there, like Serone,

764
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: like Arturo Gatti on the boxing side, where yes, we

765
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: prefer mostly that the people we recognize as Hall of

766
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Famers were champions, were in really big fights. Can you

767
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: get in just by being a huge draw and being

768
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: really fun, It's possible. But let's also make room where

769
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: you can get in by just never giving up, never

770
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: stop getting better, never stop being great at your job

771
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: and trying to do I think there is room for

772
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: that if, like you said, if we can round that

773
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: off with like first man to fight fifty times in

774
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: the octagon and oh, by the way, he's got the

775
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: most wins. It's interesting, it's changing. He's changing this conversation

776
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: in real time.

777
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: I will just say this though, if you had guys

778
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: around thirty five, thirty six years old, or you know,

779
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: mid mid mid thirties, right, because by the way, he's

780
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: doing this in a very difficult place to get old,

781
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: as you indicated, I heard you say it earlier but BC,

782
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: here's the question. People are like, oh my god, Jim

783
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: Miller's this anomaly. Jim Miller is a I want to

784
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 2: be super clear about this. Jim Miller is a very

785
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: technical fighter for folks who don't realize. Obviously, black belt

786
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: in jiu jitsu. I shot a this is true. I

787
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: shot a pilot for a TV show on Fuel TV

788
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: before Fuel TV ended up becoming Fox Sports two FS two,

789
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: and we actually went to Jim Miller's gym to do

790
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: some technique breakdowns at that time. Nice guy, the whole

791
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: the both brothers, Miller brothers, nice dudes, ordinary dudes. Everything

792
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: about them is likable. And he wrestled at Virginia Tech. Like,

793
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: this guy is a technician at his core, and for

794
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: that reason he deserves admirability. But what you have to

795
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: ask is if other guys at the same time in

796
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: which he pivoted to fighting lesser competition, which I don't

797
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: say as a pejorative, I say as a smart decision

798
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 2: to give him more runway for his career. If other

799
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: guys did that, how successful would they be. Part of

800
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: his journey of success is that he is something of

801
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: a lone wolf. He doesn't have a lot of other

802
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: people trying what he's trying, whereas with elite competition you

803
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: have much more apples to apples comparisons. A lot of

804
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: guys don't want to do what Jim Miller has done.

805
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: They only want to try for the top, and if

806
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't work then they either flame out, or they

807
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: get beat up too much, or you know whatever, they

808
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: injured or whatever. They don't want to take that thing.

809
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say is it's not to

810
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: discount it as an achievement. It's just an achievement we

811
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: don't have a great context with because not a lot

812
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: of other people try it for us to measure what

813
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: the relative strengths and weaknesses are among a group of

814
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: people who try that kind of thing. Does that make sense?

815
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: If you are standing in front of my community college class,

816
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: I could probably frame it in a way that made sense.

817
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, BC, we have one guy who's

818
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: trying to take fights at age thirty five that are

819
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 2: much easier to take in terms of gatekeepers and whatnot.

820
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: A lot of guys don't want to do that. They're

821
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: either top or nothing at all. Jim didn't make that choice.

822
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: He said I'll take those kinds of fights, and it's

823
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: given his career a great last ish kind of chapter. Right,

824
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: it's given them a lot of long JEVI a what

825
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: if twenty other fighters in a similar position tried that?

826
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: What would they look like at the end of another

827
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: five year run. We don't know the answer to that,

828
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: because no one really does it. His part of the

829
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: reason why he's had success is because he has made

830
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: novel choices in the fight game.

831
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: He's also navigating a route that there's a reason why

832
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: nobody has done that, because it's hard to be healthy

833
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: for that long. It's hard to be an active fighter

834
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: for that long and not suffer enough of a losing

835
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: streak that would cause you to lose your job in

836
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: the world's leading promotion. It's hard enough to keep getting

837
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: better at the sport where you could run off five

838
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: wins and six fights all by stoppage and be on

839
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the doorstep now of UFC three hundred matchmaking conversations. But

840
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: before we get there, Luke, I just want to ask

841
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: you one thing or compare about how he did it

842
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: and how he's doing it in general. Jim Miller's bringing

843
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: out a very well rounded game. His defense is on point,

844
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of mistakes. But would you

845
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: agree that once he takes the fight to the ground,

846
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: it's almost like old man Glover to share a he's

847
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: able to use that combination of strength and experience and

848
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: technique where the fight is over sometimes once it goes there.

849
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't that same threat in his quote

850
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: unquote prime. He has taken to the foundational elements of

851
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: this game and master them, and that was a big

852
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: reason by Glover to share at light heavyweight was able

853
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: to have that renaissance.

854
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is simply no doubt. He's adapted all the

855
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: different parts of his game to match what works for

856
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: him at age forty or you know, previously ages whatever

857
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 2: it was versus not And I think that's one hundred

858
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: percent the case. Also, we should say forty three UFC

859
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: fights never missed weight. By the way, how about this

860
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: stat and this is when he went through lime disease

861
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: as well. BC, He's never had I believe a sports

862
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: related surgery during this entire time. Dude, that is a

863
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: fucking iron man who can do something like that. If

864
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: you can have forty three UFC fights and not have

865
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: to have any kind of sports related surgery as a consequence.

866
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: Holy smokes. This gets back to it to your point,

867
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: maybe other guys don't make that choice because they don't

868
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: feel like this guy feels. At thirty five, He's like, Hey,

869
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make smarter choices. I feel like if I do,

870
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: I can have a real longevity in the sport, and

871
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: that could be part of it. I guess my point

872
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: is BC. I used to be very much against this

873
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: argument about Jim Miller going in. Now I'm sort of

874
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: in the middle on it. I want to see how

875
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: the rest of what he's got goes. I will tell

876
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: you if he finds a way to make it to

877
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: fifty UFC fights, I'm not saying it would take that,

878
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: but let's say that he does make it that far,

879
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: I would probably say he deserves a shot, no questions

880
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: asked at that point.

881
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: And the first UFC fighter to thirty wins, Luke, it

882
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: would it would take what another five? But it'd be interesting,

883
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: or maybe it's another seven. My math is off at

884
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: the moment, but really my math is always off, Luke.

885
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fair with you just maybe, but would

886
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: you say, like I just saw a TikTok or an

887
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: Instagram video of Nolan Ryan in his seventies throwing like

888
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: an eighty two mile an hour fastball to throat and

889
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: you're just like, physically, he's just a different dude. He's

890
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: just built different to some degree, Jim Miller, although he

891
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: looks like the average man to avoid injuries, be that consistent,

892
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: built different, Luke. So I'm glad we're finally recognizing that.

893
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: But speaking of three hundred, Luke, it's a great I mean,

894
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: this is it's a random factoid that he has the

895
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: chance to be the only fighter to fight on one hundred,

896
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: two hundred and three hundred, but but it looks like

897
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: it's about to happen, and it does kind of help

898
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: his resume, even though it's a random stat right, Like

899
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: what's the round numbers of these cards? Mean really nothing

900
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: outside of having a fun anniversary and making a big event.

901
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's helping him because it's like, well,

902
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: who was Jim Miller and what has he done? I'll

903
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: tell you what he's fought on UFC one hundred, two

904
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: hundred and three hundred. Okay, Well that certainly means something, right,

905
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: So when we talk about three hundred here, Luke, what

906
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: is the best fight to capitalize on what he has

907
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: built in recent years.

908
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: I think this answer is easy. It's not that there

909
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: aren't a couple of good options you could go with.

910
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: There are good options. That's the good news. This is

911
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: an easy call for me. Jim Miller should fight Matt Brown.

912
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: Jim Miller should fight Matt Brown, no questions asked. That's

913
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: the one, and I'll tell you why one. Paul Felder

914
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: did a postfight press conference, and it's obvious that there's

915
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: a part of him that's pretty interested in it. But

916
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: he would have to get ready, he would have to

917
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: get out of retirement, he would have to do a lot.

918
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: And I know he's already in the testing pool. I

919
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: don't mean that, but like mentally physically, he's not in

920
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: the place where other pro fighters are. And that's of

921
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 2: course totally understandable and normal, but there is a gap.

922
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: That's the first thing. The second thing is, dude, Matt Brown.

923
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: I can't granted, there would be some issue with the

924
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: weight there and he'd have to go up obviously, and

925
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: you know, jimular foot one fifty five most of his

926
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: career obviously does have to be at one seventy blah

927
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: blah blah. But like dude, the Matt Brown fight to

928
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: me offers vastly more excitement, and it's also two guys

929
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: who are so similar in who they are. Matt Brown

930
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: has also had some longevity, not because he's the best

931
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: weltzer weight that we've ever seen, but because he is

932
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: technically sound, fundamentally sound. He lives his life like a

933
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: prize fighter, yes, but mostly as a martial artist, which

934
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: means a devotion to lifelong learning in the martial arts.

935
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: That's what that means, right, devotion to lifelong learning in

936
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: the martial arts. He's got that as well. That is

937
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: a much better fight for me, I think, given the

938
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: relevant factors. Are you a Matt Brown opponent guy? Are

939
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: you a Paul Felder opponent guy?

940
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm actually neither, And this probably doesn't surprise you since

941
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: I used this man's name a lot when trying to

942
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: concoct the type of UFC three hundred fights that I

943
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: believe the promotion should be putting out there, the kind

944
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: that have relevance within the division but also are meant

945
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: to attract storylines audiences. So, Luke, I'm gonna say it

946
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna do Patty the Battie versus Connor

947
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: at three hundred, same division. How about Patty Pimblet versus

948
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, the winningest fighter in history, playing the same

949
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: role that he's supposed to play right now as old

950
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: guy gatekeeper to a rising brand in Pamblet In Pimblet,

951
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: who's shown us a lot of good but still not

952
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: quite perfect to me, Central Casting, where do I sign up?

953
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: Let's even you can even make that the preliminary feature

954
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: about it? Uh On?

955
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, dude, isn't part of what isn't part

956
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 2: of what Jim Miller is doing is like again, and

957
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: it's a valuable service for the UFC because win or lose,

958
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: he tests guys at a certain level. But it's not

959
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: like there's no consequence to it. But there's no consequence

960
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: for anything in the top fifteen, right, it's removed from

961
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: that consideration. I feel like you're messing with that when

962
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: you introduce Patty into it, especially coming off with the

963
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: Tony Ferguson win.

964
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: Okay, because if you okay, if you believe that Patty

965
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: is going to go from the Tony Ferguson win directly

966
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: into top ten fights or the equivalent of top ten fights,

967
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: like against people that are climbing as well. You're right,

968
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: but I personally believe that Patty's climb will continually be slow, incremental,

969
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: and based more on the positioning of him in a

970
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: specific city, in a specific slot on the card, to

971
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: their advantage. So that's why I'm saying when we're looking

972
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: at the three hundred card and going, you know, it's

973
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: just not enough yet to get me really pumped up.

974
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Patty versus Jim Miller is like the

975
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: perfect solution, but it does add a lot of elements

976
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: at one storyline, stats, personalities, Jim as this blue collar

977
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: guy who's the antithesis of sort of what Patty can

978
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: be looked at it sometimes for better or worse, and

979
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: probably not fair. But Patty gets looked at as like

980
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: an industry plant, the guy that they want to be

981
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: the next Connor. So put him in there against the

982
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: blue collar Hall of Fame warrior, right, I mean, in

983
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Jim Miller, it's just too it makes too much sense.

984
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: But if you're not going to do that, Luke, I

985
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: don't hate Matt Brown, I don't hate Paul fold these

986
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: are the type of old guy celebration fights Mikey wants.

987
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz. By the way, Luke, I don't think any.

988
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 2: Of these almost choked. I was I covered that fight.

989
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Nate Diaz almost choked Jim Miller's tongue off on their

990
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: UFC on Fox three main event.

991
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, a long time.

992
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. Mikey is

993
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: right in the sense that like, Mikey's like, Mikey, what

994
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: do you want to do today? He's like Nate Diaz

995
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, where do you want to go?

996
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: He's like Nate Diaz. I'm like, how do you like

997
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: to spend your time? He's like Nate My man loves

998
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: Nate Diaz.

999
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: And answer stakehouse in London naked.

1000
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's Mikey. And by the way, he's right

1001
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: nine percent of the time because when you throw that

1002
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: name in there, it works really well. But that one,

1003
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: to me, does not work. Here's the thing. No, no, no,

1004
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, no, no, no, Listen, Jim Miller is

1005
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: doing something where we're asking, hey, how long can he

1006
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: keep doing this? But when folks, when it was announced

1007
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: that he would be fighting Gabriel Benitez.

1008
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: No.

1009
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: One was like, Oh, I'm really disappointed that opponent. The

1010
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 2: opponent almost doesn't even matter. Now that's not totally true,

1011
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: but it's mostly true. It's mostly just about how many

1012
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: times can he keep doing this given the circumstances. Once

1013
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: you begin to fuck with that a little bit, you

1014
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: can do it, but you're now changing the equation of

1015
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: what he's doing, and if he takes on something that's

1016
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: not appropriate, it can mess up the division or you know,

1017
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: mess up that part of the division, or it can

1018
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: mess up him in a way where he can't continue

1019
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: to do the things that he's been doing in the

1020
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: way that he has. So it's just I gotta be

1021
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: careful with this one a little bit. By the way,

1022
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: he is right, Mikey is right. Matt Brown is big

1023
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: for one seventy. That is true. That is to be

1024
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: the one criticism of this fight is that if you

1025
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: make a Jim Miller Matt Brown is that the eight

1026
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: class gets a little interesting here. Obviously having to go

1027
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: to one seventy, Matt Brown is a tall, lanky one

1028
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: seventy And by the way, again, is he a prime

1029
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: Matt Brown. No, but he's still very, very dangerous. I

1030
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 2: do recognize that that is a drawback to the fight.

1031
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair one. But dude, Nay Diaz

1032
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: is not coming back to fight Jim Miller. It's just

1033
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: just not gonna happen in no way.

1034
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: Luke, how come nobody talks about the fact that brock

1035
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: Lesner also has the chance to pull the Jim Miller

1036
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: and fight at UFC one hundred, two hundred and three

1037
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: hundred and John Jones could have if he didn't drop

1038
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: the bag at two hundred, Luke, because people forget John

1039
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: Jones fought jaco'brien on the undercard of UFC one hundred,

1040
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: and when I mentioned people that forgot, I'm looking at myself,

1041
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: Luke in the Mayorka.

1042
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: By the way, they did that to get to get

1043
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: rid of Jacobrien too at the end there, so I'll

1044
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: not get rid of him, but to give him a

1045
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: really tough fight.

1046
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: So, by the way, is that why that debate started

1047
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: on the biz Ping podcast with Anthony Smith and got

1048
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: everybody off the why doesn't Jim Miller fight brock Lesner

1049
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: at three hundred and then Anthony's saying that Jim Miller

1050
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: should win or could win? Is that how that argument started?

1051
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: Probably right, because those would.

1052
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: Be the only Dude, you know what's so funny about this?

1053
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith does not think very differently than most fighters

1054
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: I've ever talked to. He just articulates it more like, dude,

1055
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: the amount of conversations I've had with fighters about who

1056
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: they think could beat another guy across weight classes would

1057
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: fucking shock people. People think that Anthony is out to lunch.

1058
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: Now.

1059
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't agree that he could beat brock Lesner. I

1060
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: think that probably would go quite poor for him. But

1061
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: the idea that like, oh, Anthony just has a bunch

1062
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: of silly ideas. No, no, no, no, not true. He

1063
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: just articulates some of the things that are on his mind.

1064
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: Most fighters have a really that's not true. A lot

1065
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: of fighters have something of a distorted sense about how

1066
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: weight class can work for different mission.

1067
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: Times, this delivery system. Because when he came on Room

1068
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: Service Diaries on our program and said that, you know,

1069
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: to be fair, John Jones really isn't that good. And

1070
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: here's why, I think when he was really trying to

1071
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: say was that John Jones is sort of good to

1072
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: very good at everything, and that combination makes him the

1073
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: greatest of all.

1074
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He's not a world champion wrestler, he's not

1075
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: a world champion jiu jitsu. He doesn't have any titles

1076
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: in boxing or kickboxing. That's what he meant. He meant

1077
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: he's like a jack of all trades, master of none,

1078
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: which is true. That is a true thing.

1079
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: He just kind of said it wrong, Luke.

1080
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: He made just kind of said it in a weird way.

1081
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah, that's true, all right, b see

1082
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: question number three here on the on the rundown. Let's

1083
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: got a couple more on the UFC Vegas forty eight,

1084
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: and then we're going to talk about Arthur butterbiev BC.

1085
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this one very simple question. What is

1086
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: the significance of Mario Bautista's win over Ricky Simone, which was,

1087
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 2: by the way, somewhat not shocking, but very surprising.

1088
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: First of all, that fight was an absolute banger, Luke,

1089
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: And they came out there to earn the next level

1090
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: push into into you know, uh, the outreaches of the

1091
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: title picture here in the sports steepest division, deservedly so,

1092
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: because whoever was going to get their hand raised earned it.

1093
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I give credit to both guys, even if Luke I

1094
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: went double down vibes pick on Ricky Simone for our

1095
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: okay bet segment that we're gonna have to probably put

1096
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: on pause for a little bit. But here's what I'm

1097
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: trying to say to you, Luke. It's six consecutive victories,

1098
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: so it's a wake up call to us that this

1099
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: guy is really good and he's putting it all together.

1100
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Because Luke I saw that in his recent fights. I

1101
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: just felt like Simone was going to be that much

1102
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: too much for him, that much a little bit better

1103
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: for him. I thought it would be a competitive fight.

1104
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: It was. It was a little bit more action and

1105
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: oriented than I expected, to our benefit. But Bautista proof

1106
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: looked that we need to start talking about him, we

1107
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: need to start taking him seriously. And that can happen

1108
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: sometimes in these very deep divisions where we get so

1109
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: fixated on that combination of like star power former champions

1110
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: with the guys that are coming on coming on on

1111
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: the way up the bow, Nichols, the Hamzats, the kind

1112
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: that are knocking on your door, kicking your TV screen in,

1113
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: But you can get these quiet, more unassuming guys who

1114
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: do anything but capture victories in a quiet and unassuming matter. Dude,

1115
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: this was a mature performance in which Simone had big

1116
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: swings of momentum. In his case proved to be a

1117
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: tough out, but Bautista's long, he has a great chin,

1118
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: and he was able to hang in there and get

1119
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: the best of the action and actually going the root

1120
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: of a unanimous decision in a very close fight. But yeah, Luke,

1121
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: this is very impressive to the idea of young kids

1122
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: starting to really put it together.

1123
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: Dude. The poor kid had to make his UFC debut

1124
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: against Corey Sandhagen. You know, you're just not going to

1125
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: get the most accurate read from that. You're just not

1126
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: You're not going to get a great read about a

1127
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: guy's ability a just from his UFC debut. And then

1128
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: b if it's against a guy who's like next level

1129
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: good in Corey Sandhagen, or at least it was ahead

1130
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: of him at that time, So just keep that in mind.

1131
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: But BC, I also understand why folks maybe didn't pay

1132
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: attention when he was beating the Benito Lopezes of the

1133
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: world or the Guido Canetis of the world, which don't

1134
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: mean a whole lot, but in the last two, well

1135
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: more so the Guido Connetti. But in the last two

1136
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: he beat Deman bat Year and then Ricky Simone. First

1137
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: of all, it's his best win to date. Second of all,

1138
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: let me read you the stats. Number one here was

1139
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: his significant strike totals round over round Ready for this,

1140
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: he had eighteen significant strikes to nine for Simone. In

1141
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: round one. He had thirty eight significant strikes to Simone's

1142
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 2: twenty one in round two, and then in round three,

1143
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: listen to this, fifty six significant strikes to Ricky Simone's fifteen.

1144
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: Simone never got past twenty one and then faded in

1145
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: the third round. This kid did nothing but go like this.

1146
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: He is a testament to intestinal fortitude. He is a

1147
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: testament to will. He is skilled. I don't want to

1148
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: lose sight of that. By the way, stuffed eleven of

1149
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: thirteen takedowns that Ricky Simone attempted. Make no mistake about that.

1150
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: That is tremendous story.

1151
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: That's the quiet story of the fire right.

1152
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: Yes, because Simone had about a minute thirty of control

1153
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: time in round one. He had just twenty eight seconds

1154
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: in round two, and then a minute or so in

1155
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: round three. Some of that's just up against the fence.

1156
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: But the point I wanted to make here is this

1157
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: is a guy who you can tell is psychotically driven.

1158
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: Psychotically it is important to him to be able to

1159
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: have absolutely unending cardio, fantastic defensive prowess, which I think

1160
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: you're seeing here, and then the ability to just beat guys,

1161
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: yes with skill, of course, but with work rate. And

1162
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: in this division, dude, this guy wasn't even fucking ranked

1163
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: before this fight. He wasn't even ranked, and look at

1164
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: what he's capable of doing. The Bansaway division is shocking

1165
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: in terms of its depth. But to me, you see

1166
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: the story is back to back losses. Ricky Simon not great, right,

1167
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: something to definitely work on. He didn't look bad in

1168
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: this fight, but he met someone who could do what

1169
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: he did minus the wrestling in terms of volume output

1170
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: in your face, never letting put off the gas. He

1171
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: has an incredible will to win, and the only way

1172
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: to really beat a guy like that is you have

1173
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 2: to just be matter of factly better while being able

1174
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: to match most of his cardio. That just wasn't Simone.

1175
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: On Saturday Night, Luke Bautista from Winnemuca Nevada, which is

1176
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: up there in northern Nevada, in the middle of nowhere.

1177
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: If you come from there, right, not too far from

1178
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: the world's loneliest highway, or the US is loneliest one.

1179
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean you probably if you're gonna get it out

1180
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: of make it out of there, you're coming to fight. Luke.

1181
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: I think we actually have an mk A donk in

1182
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: our presence here, Jeremy Oh who relocated to that area. Luke,

1183
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: that area is not for suckers. Okay, you know what

1184
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

1185
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: Why would you move there if you're not from there?

1186
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: It's probably on the run, Luke, probably, But you know

1187
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 1: I Okay, you know what I'm saying.

1188
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably just on the run from on the land.

1189
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: On the run. But you know he's one of my guys, Luke. Okay,

1190
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: and I stand by those people.

1191
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: By the way. Just quickly on on Mario Bautista in

1192
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: terms of like matchmaking, all the things you could do.

1193
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 2: There's a million directions you could go with him, right,

1194
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: and that the best part. There's so many names that

1195
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: you have to work through. I will say again, it

1196
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: sounds like I'm about Oh, he just works hard. He's

1197
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: not very good. That's really not what I mean. He

1198
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: is both, but the work rate is overwhelming. I think

1199
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: for a lot of guys. What I would say though,

1200
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: is be see to really get to the upper ends

1201
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: of that division, you're gonna have to work on that.

1202
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to work on some of the polish

1203
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: a little bit, which, by the way, I think he

1204
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: has up to this point looked quite polished. But what

1205
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: you could see, like the last two decisions, the last

1206
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: the two best opponents he's faced, he had to go

1207
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: to a decision with him. So something to keep in

1208
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: mind for the future.

1209
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: What do you think about matching him up against Chris Gutierrez, uh,

1210
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: who has lost with his last three. So maybe that's

1211
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: not the perfect match making for a guy who was.

1212
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 2: I got to say that that's kind of a bad

1213
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: fight for Chris Gutierra is in the sense that like

1214
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: dude balautistage. By the way, you see he did like

1215
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: a Mario Brothers jump to get out of the way

1216
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: of a leg kick. He just jumped like like up

1217
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: in one go, Like that was his feet off the

1218
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: ground all in one go, and the leg kick missed

1219
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: and he was right there on top of It don't

1220
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: recommend that as a way to normally stop a leg kick,

1221
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: but it worked in his particular. I mean, dude, a

1222
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: guy's gonna put pressure on you like that. That's a

1223
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: bad matchup for Chris Gutierrez.

1224
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: No, right, yeah, yeah, I just like to see bangers

1225
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: between hungry fighters who excite me. Luke. You know what

1226
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm an easy guy in that in that

1227
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: regard is.

1228
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: That you're waiting for that Mariah Mills and Zion sex tape,

1229
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: not the bangers.

1230
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. But if

1231
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: it's anything like the woodleygh tape, Luke, the answer is no.

1232
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm good on that three seconds of that.

1233
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: I was scarred for life. I don't need to see anything.

1234
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean I mean, I mean, can he lingis, Yes

1235
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: he can? Luke, Raight you know what I mean?

1236
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: You know, can he Bus Yes? You can? All right?

1237
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: B see last a bit on this on UFC Vegas

1238
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: eighty four, very quickly, question number four for you give

1239
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: me any other name on this card that stood out

1240
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: to you.

1241
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Well, I was hoping the name would be andre Orlovski, Luke,

1242
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: but he came up empty against where's Waldo Cortes a

1243
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: Costa in that regard? But did you happen to watch

1244
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: the Preston Parsons Matthew Semmelsburger welterweight.

1245
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: Fight at all? I did, because Semi the Jedi, who's

1246
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: from this neck of the woods, didn't didn't go his way.

1247
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: It didn't. But dude, Preston Parsons is a grinder. I

1248
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you how serious I should take him, Luke,

1249
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: because I wanted this to be my answer. He kind

1250
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: of impressed me with with his with his grime, But

1251
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: do you see him as a serious fighter?

1252
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: Not yet. I mean, that's a good win, it's a

1253
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: good start, so to speak, but no, I would need

1254
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: to see it. I mean, dude, the UFC depth is significant,

1255
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: Like you got to do a lot to impress me.

1256
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: But yes, that was a very nice win and heartbreaking

1257
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: for old Semi the Jedi.

1258
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: All right, well, then separate from that, Luke, because I'm

1259
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna talk. You know, you're gonna be balls

1260
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: Bonanza on this bascherat and I'm not gonna talk about

1261
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: Gene Silva till we get to have you seen this shit.

1262
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: But Bruno Fijeda was somebody I did pick for okay,

1263
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: bet Luke, and he put it on Phil Hawes. And

1264
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: that's unfortunately for old Phil now a ton of knockout

1265
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: losses packaged around one victory. But Luke the job, he

1266
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: knew the job for Hada. He went in there and

1267
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: continued to excite us that there's another Brazilian powerhouse on

1268
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: the rise. I was impressed by that, but go ahead

1269
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: regale me.

1270
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: Phil Hawes man is a heartbreaking case. You see, he

1271
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: got knocked out right and then I'm almost completely are

1272
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: pretty close to it, and then he comes to and

1273
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: then rolls to his knees and then puts his head

1274
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: in his hands and then just balls, you know. I

1275
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: mean you can tell it's one of those guys who

1276
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: is like, dude, you know how hard it is to

1277
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: get a guy who's been knocked out multiple times in

1278
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: a training camp to buy into the idea that this

1279
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: time will be different. Right, And not only that, but like, hey,

1280
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: you have to do all the things that not made

1281
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: you susceptible, but you have to accept a certain kind

1282
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: of risk. You have to do the right things. You

1283
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: have to you have to go when we say go,

1284
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: you have to fire when we say fire, you can't

1285
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: just sit there and wait around, and he did. He

1286
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: was actually active, he was doing things, but then he

1287
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: got hit with a shot and then dude Fahada is

1288
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 2: fucking relentless after that and finishes him off. You just

1289
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: feel bad for a guy you could tell BC, you

1290
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: could tell bought into the system, bought into the game

1291
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: plan that they had for this fight, and was exacting

1292
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: it and was bringing it to life, and it still

1293
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: wasn't enough. That is a fucking heartbreaking thing. And I

1294
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what you're supposed to say

1295
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: to a guy after that, To be perfectly honest, I

1296
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: don't know what coaches say. I don't know what they do.

1297
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what it's unfortunately going to be

1298
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 1: saying soon. Is are there any openings in the PFL? Look,

1299
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: because I know it would be a good time to

1300
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: try to reinvent right, to try to go get it,

1301
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 1: get a get a new lease on the situation, because

1302
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: I can't think he's going to be around long with

1303
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: with the recent success.

1304
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I don't think so at all. Yeah,

1305
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: it's a tough situation for Phil who had all the

1306
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: ability in the world looks good getting off the bus.

1307
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: Just couldn't quite get it done here, all right, B

1308
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: see last but not least to brow the coming event

1309
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: podcast boys Wall.

1310
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to stop you first and just ask you quickly.

1311
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: Back at the Apex, I told you I was excited

1312
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: like crazy just to get fights again.

1313
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: I was.

1314
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I was sitting in the a throw

1315
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: Luke sitting back. I had some seventies viney line with

1316
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: the broadcast turned down because you know, I got a

1317
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: little too much of business being early on, so I

1318
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: was ready to rotate off of that. So I pulled

1319
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: to Luke Thomas, why is the Apex empty like they

1320
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: have If they want to be there to save money,

1321
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: that's cool, But they can pack that place. Why is

1322
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: it empty? Our tickets not available? Was genuinely curt curious

1323
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: about this.

1324
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't know event to event. I don't really understand

1325
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: how they manage crowds or don't. But I've said this before.

1326
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: Listen the future of combat sports. Even Golden Boy, So

1327
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: even Oscar de la Hoya, who has residency basically in

1328
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, he has said Golden Boy. He didn't say

1329
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Speaker 2: we want to copy what the UFC is doing. But

1330
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: they want to copy what the UFC is doing, which

1331
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: is to have their own production facility where they can

1332
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: host fights, not their biggest ones which they would take

1333
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: on the road, not the biggest ones they put on

1334
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: pay per view, but the smaller ones that they could

1335
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: then control all the costs in house right in a

1336
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: way that would be much better for them, in the

1337
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: same way the UFC is able to do that with

1338
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: the APEX facility. This is the future of combat sports.

1339
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: But this is my request to every entity that's going

1340
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: to do this. If you are going to do this,

1341
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily have to feel like a warehouse. You

1342
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: choose to make it feel like a warehouse. There are

1343
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: ways with minimal but noteworthy attendance and how you structure

1344
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: the facility to bring it to life in a way

1345
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: that they're just not. It seems like it's like, hey,

1346
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: we've got a place we can put fights. I don't

1347
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: want a place where you can put fights. I want

1348
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: a place that you have targeted fights to be and

1349
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: then made that a really dynamic, if intimate, smaller experience.

1350
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: We see when they took away Nirvana's electric guitars and

1351
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: they made them do unplugged in a smaller venue. They

1352
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: didn't make it less, they made it more. This is

1353
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: the kind of thing I'm thinking about.

1354
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: Technically, they did plug in for a lot of those

1355
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: key songs they did. You know what I'm saying in

1356
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: the world, Shout out to Pat Smear jumping in there.

1357
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: Luke right, that's right from for Pyros right. Yes, that's

1358
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: a name that no one below the age of twenty

1359
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: five has ever heard.

1360
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, normally you hear Pat smir you think gynecologists, right,

1361
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: But shout out to him. So look, here's what I'm

1362
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: trying to say. Here's the now that we're in the

1363
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: TKO group, you have c inww are putting their brains

1364
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: together in some ways. Look at the great success that

1365
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: WWE had when they originally put their you know, their

1366
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: performance center in Orlando, which is what ufc IS has

1367
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: copied for their performance institute, like, no question about it.

1368
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: But what they've done in that space is that they

1369
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: broadcast NXT out of there, and even though it's a

1370
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: tiny little warehouse, they pack it to the gills with

1371
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: local hardcore fans that are gonna go not and it

1372
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: created almost like a college basketball think like you know,

1373
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: Duke in their tiny arena like that intimacy. I don't

1374
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: think it's impossible. You could do the same thing at

1375
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: the Apex, even if you're giving up free tickets, which

1376
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: they don't need to. They could probably charge an ass

1377
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: load if they wanted to, because there are good fights

1378
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: at the Apex. That's been our problem. There's good fights

1379
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: there when they probably should be at arenas elsewhere. But

1380
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: it would be a very easy change, in my opinion,

1381
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: if they utilized that space better and packed it with fans,

1382
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: because then you would have that raw energy there in

1383
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: a small space that if you get the right fans,

1384
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: especially not Zucking his friends, but you get the right

1385
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: fans that are crazy and hardcore. Dude, it's a no brainer.

1386
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: Those bangers are gonna feel like magic in there. I

1387
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: don't get. And I was watching from that from a distance,

1388
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: going why why is their gaps and holes? Why is

1389
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: Paul Anka out there? Sometimes? You know what I mean?

1390
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 2: Look, why a choice? It's a choice, and I don't

1391
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: get the choice, but it's a choice just the same.

1392
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: It's weird, all right, all right?

1393
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: With that?

1394
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: It might be cuh for mine. You kind of took

1395
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: it away from me, but I'll mention it. Josh Van

1396
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: was a guy I picked ahead of time for my

1397
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: Okay Beat segment. He looks phenomenal. Took him around to

1398
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: kind of figure things out, and then the second round

1399
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: just absolutely getting going and I love the way he

1400
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: does it BC with a consistent work rate. I set

1401
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 2: up before, it's not about being a blitz on your opponent.

1402
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 2: It's about being steady rain touching them constantly, touch touch,

1403
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: Then you can go hard. You could change up rythm,

1404
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: you could change up tempo, change of ranges, and as

1405
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: the range changed and as the phase changed, he still

1406
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: had consistent striking offense the entire time. Josh Fan is

1407
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: twenty two years old something like that and very very

1408
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: very skilled. That guy is going to be something to

1409
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: watch as his career progresses. That's one. But you mentioned it.

1410
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: Far D Basharat he and his brother job and I

1411
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: think they have a combined thirty five and zero record.

1412
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: These guys are super skilled. There is so much they

1413
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: can do. If I had one criticism of Basharot, and

1414
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: it is quite minor, very minor. I mean, overall, his

1415
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: performance was fantastic. If I had one criticism, it would

1416
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: just be. There are times where he would he would faint,

1417
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: or he would reposition himself and he would get Lapelous

1418
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: to follow him, and then he would back out again.

1419
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: He wouldn't attack. And I'm thinking to myself, Man, if

1420
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: you could find ways to bait guys, then they take

1421
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: it and then you strike, it's going to completely open

1422
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: up his offense. So he is not even as good

1423
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: as he can be and already very very well rounded,

1424
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 2: phenomenal guy to watch. So yes, great job.

1425
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: With carry looking Luke, you were right about him. I

1426
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: mean you've been right about a few Luke. Although the

1427
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: Cyril Gon thing, you were right and then you were

1428
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: really wrong. What are you now? I don't know.

1429
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. The problem is he does a lot

1430
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: of good things, Cyril Gone, That is true, but he

1431
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: does a lot of bad things and he's not well

1432
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: rounded coaching. He needs a lot, he needs a lot.

1433
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: But he is a dynamic athlete. Like when you see

1434
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: as someone who is like a real athlete, you're like, oh, right, this.

1435
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: Is remember when he was double pumped Duncan through it

1436
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: like going deep over his head and stuff.

1437
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a real athlete. He's a real athlete.

1438
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: All right, BC, I know you've been waiting for this one.

1439
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: I rewatched the fight by the way Tookey watched about

1440
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: a round with me, which I didn't know how I

1441
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: feel about it, but it was fired. It was the

1442
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: first round. Didn't really matter. Uh, our terbitary Bief are

1443
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: better beef? I mean, dude, what else can we say?

1444
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: He fucking smoked Callum Smith. By the way, BC, I

1445
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: would like you to mention why is it there's a

1446
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: lot of British commentators who keep thinking that there's guys

1447
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 2: from England that are way better than they are. I

1448
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: don't quite get that he was one of them.

1449
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: Always been the case. They look great, tomessic.

1450
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: But it's like it was like super pronounced this time,

1451
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: where people being like, yeah, dude, Callum Smith's gonna upset

1452
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 2: M dude, Calla Smith didn't win a fucking round against

1453
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: this guy getting stopped in the seventh archer. Better beev

1454
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: looked fucking amazing in this People are.

1455
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: Giving him Habibe comparisons. What do you start to start

1456
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,440
Speaker 1: off there? What do you make of the Habib comparisons?

1457
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: Habib wasn't as dynamic a finisher to me, It's a

1458
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: little more shot cut Rockmanov to be honest with you, right,

1459
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: because he's got.

1460
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 1: We submit out of you, Luke, let's be fair about that.

1461
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean but like the he

1462
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: did go to decisions several times in his career, that's

1463
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: something that better WEF has not done. But it keeps

1464
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: going back to what Steven Bredman Edwards has said, which

1465
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: is a lot of times when guys absorb pressure and

1466
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: then they're boxing off the back foot, they get kind

1467
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: of recognized as a better boxer because you have to

1468
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: show a lot of defensive slickness, You have to be

1469
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 2: able to move a lot, you have to do a

1470
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: lot of things that require real skill. And that's true.

1471
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 2: You you should get credit for doing that, But a

1472
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: lot of guys who come forward kind of get like

1473
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: the Esak cruise treatment, which is yes, good fighter, tough fighter,

1474
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: but it's just a little bit more forward pressure as

1475
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: like the key ingredient, and you can, you know, a

1476
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: good fighter like Tank Davis who was able to move

1477
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: away from the pressure is sort of like the better boxer.

1478
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: Like in other words, forward pressure guys don't necessarily get

1479
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: the same kind of reputation as being skillful But the

1480
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: problem with everyone with Archer Betterbev is that he is

1481
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: a come forward fighter who is skilled and bc This

1482
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: is the really most remarkable part about it. At age

1483
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: thirty nine, everything he throws seems like it hurts. Everything

1484
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: he throws he seems like he does damage. He is

1485
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: a terminator. Tell me what you saw. How special is

1486
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 2: what he is doing in the sport of boxing.

1487
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: So it's incredibly special to be at this level, to

1488
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: be a week and a half out from your thirty

1489
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: ninth birthday, yet you're twenty and zero with twenty KOs,

1490
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: you're the unified champion of the light heavyweight division, and

1491
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: you're about to enter the biggest breakthrough fights of your

1492
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: entire career, including hopefully the Dimitri bevallt undisputed fight up next.

1493
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: But here's what I learned about him, Luke, the talk

1494
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: and the fear that I had after that Anthony Yard fight,

1495
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: which by the way, was you know, a full year ago,

1496
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: the idea of him getting old with age. I'm gonna

1497
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold that one. I'm gonna slow the foot

1498
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: on the gas pedal with that one. This is this

1499
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: was prime absolute at thirty eight and nine, tenths as

1500
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: Archer Better Beef could be, And what I loved most

1501
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: about it was he jumped all over Callum Smith from

1502
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: the beginning. Basically we thought this fight could be Calm

1503
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: Smith being a crafty boxer, having that length advantage and

1504
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: really having popped that. Maybe he didn't always get to

1505
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: show at one sixty eight because it was a very

1506
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: tough Way Cup for him. And we did have a

1507
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: lot of people this week going, hey, I know you

1508
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: guys are bashing his performance against Canelo, but that was

1509
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: prime pandemic. He had a horrible training camp, all this stuff.

1510
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: So I gave him that hope in that pass and

1511
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: I expected a competitive fight early on, one in which

1512
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: Calm Smith could establish himself as a boxer and it

1513
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: would take Better Beef time to adjust. But what Arthur

1514
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: did instead was jump all over Callum right off the start,

1515
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: really put on some crazy pressure with high volume and intensity,

1516
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: and that took the terms of the fight right from

1517
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: the beginning to Better Beef, And because of his combination

1518
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: of technique, brains and just devastating power, he never let

1519
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: go of that control and it became a matter of

1520
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: time of how much more punishment could Callum Smith take

1521
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: whether his corner was eventually gonna throw in the towel

1522
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: or whether Bitterbiev was able to do that surgical dismantling

1523
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: of taking him apart. But you mentioned some key things.

1524
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: Everything he lands hurts. It's not just a power jab.

1525
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: Everything he throws body put shots seems to be next

1526
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: level power, well timed and all that. But if we're

1527
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: not gonna have guess tank situations or some of the

1528
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: other things that come with somebody rightfully, so right he's

1529
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty nine soon after a long amateur career

1530
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 1: when you start to slow down. We thought he slowed

1531
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: down because of what we saw against Anthony Yard, but

1532
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: it may have just been Anthony Yard taken some big

1533
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: chances with some big power, like Luke said in our

1534
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: preview of this fight, that may have made that look

1535
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: closer than it really was. It was obviously a visual

1536
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: to see better beef cut from his eye and kind

1537
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: of need to rally a bit calm. Smith had different

1538
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: skills that he could potentially make good in this fight.

1539
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: But if you can't take control of the terms of

1540
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: the fight, and if you can't hurt better bev, you're

1541
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: in trouble. It's an inevitability. So how special is what

1542
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,879
Speaker 1: he's doing at large? Let's put it like this. Everyone

1543
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: seems to want to that impossible dream of retiring undefeated

1544
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: and doing the fifty and oh that Mayweather did or

1545
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: the forty nine, and oh that Rocky Marciano did, and

1546
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: we hold that into such high regard as sort of

1547
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: like these milestones, even though in reality what Sugar Ray

1548
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: Robinson was like one hundred and twenty and one at

1549
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: one point, and Julio says, Arshavit Senior was something like

1550
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: eighty nine and oh, we've seen great starts to a career.

1551
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: But I set that template to tell you whenever somebody

1552
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: retires just short of showing us everything they were able

1553
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: to accomplish, think andre Ward. And I say just short

1554
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: because he did miss due to injury and due to

1555
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: sometimes in the court battles with his former promoter, where

1556
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: he missed, you know, almost three full years of his career.

1557
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: We got a lot out andre Ward, but we maybe

1558
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: didn't get everything, every opportunity, and to his own you know, respect,

1559
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: he walked away while he still had it. After the

1560
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: Covid lipt fights at right around age thirty five and said,

1561
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I need to do this now. But

1562
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: when you do that early, and I think Ward is

1563
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 1: like thirty two and oh or something in his career,

1564
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: like Kabib, it's hard to kind of frame. You can

1565
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: maybe overrate somebody, you can underrate somebody because you just

1566
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: haven't seen everything. You've seen a lot. But Joe Kalzagi

1567
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: have forty six and oh, we would have liked to

1568
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: him as great as he was, and super Joe was.

1569
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: You would have liked to him have come to America

1570
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: sooner and faced more guys. Well, what about Paterviev. Look,

1571
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be thirty nine, He's got twenty wins all

1572
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: by stoppage. If he be spevall and becomes undisputed champion,

1573
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: if he moves up to cruiserweight for one or two fights,

1574
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: he literally is going to have the opportunity. Imagine if

1575
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: he retires twenty four and oh with twenty four knockouts,

1576
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: having been undisputed champion of a legitimately tough division, having

1577
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: been ranked in the top poundper pound, which he's rightfully

1578
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: so in that mix, and and you have fought everybody

1579
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: available to you, what do we do with that conversation

1580
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: now in terms of how unique of what do we

1581
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: do with this career? He may not get there, who knows,

1582
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: but that's how special and unique he is because what

1583
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: I saw on Saturday was a living legend. I tweeted

1584
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: that I'm watching an all time great. I said that

1585
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: about a New A, and we were right. Whenever a

1586
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: new A comes out and does something ridiculous, You're like,

1587
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm literally watching in the moment. The difference is a

1588
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: new A's thirty. This guy's gonna be thirty nine and

1589
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: he still got it. And Luke, I hope they make

1590
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: Bevall in the spring. I hope Saudi Arabia backs up

1591
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: the truck. I know better Beav's not gonna step in

1592
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: any direction. But at that fight, even though that is

1593
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: a can't miss brilliant we need that fight one of

1594
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: the biggest of the year. Dude better, Beave's gonna rightfully

1595
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: show be a favorite coming into there because of what

1596
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: we've seen when he steps up in the unification fights,

1597
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: when he steps up against whoever's available, it's the same

1598
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: story every time. His toughest opponent to date may have

1599
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: been unbeaten Alexander Vodsik when they met in that unification

1600
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Dude, he retired Vodzig that night.

1601
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: I know he's since come back after taking a bunch

1602
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: of years off and he had a brain bleed scare,

1603
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: But like, how good is matterbeev In the toughest fight

1604
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: of his career, two unbeaten champions coming together for unification,

1605
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: he knocked out and retired a guy in the midst

1606
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: of his prime. This guy's a fucking badass. And it's

1607
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: not just power, it's not just one thing, it's everything

1608
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: all at once. I'm so happy that he's finally about

1609
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: to get the chance to stamp an all time legendary

1610
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: career because he's of that ILK. He's of that ilk.

1611
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 2: Luke b See what do we make of the post? Well,

1612
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: there was some prefight stuff, because remember there was the atypical,

1613
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: not the adverse analytical finding. They did not find that

1614
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 2: he had definitively used some kind of performance dancing drug,

1615
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: but he did have some levels that were a little

1616
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: bit outside of normal range, which there could be a

1617
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: natural explanation for, or there could be an unnatural It's

1618
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 2: just they don't have enough information to decidedly say so

1619
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: they you know, Tie goes to the runner. They essentially say, well,

1620
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: we don't have further information, we're just gonna assume it's

1621
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: a natural one, but we're gonna keep a close eye

1622
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: on him. Maybe that fact factors into it. But I

1623
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 2: did notice after the fight there are a lot of

1624
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: people being like, wow, what he's doing is not natural.

1625
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: In fact, Tony Bellue being like, it's amazing what he's doing,

1626
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: but you know, he had some suspicions about it. What

1627
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: do we make of this conversation around him, especially because

1628
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: he gets closer to thirty one excuse me, almost forty

1629
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: years of age at this point.

1630
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I'm not trying to wash this under

1631
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: the rug. We should follow this closely, this story, the situation,

1632
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: because there is smoke here, So what does that smoke mean? Okay,

1633
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: we have seen people in the past look at the

1634
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: UFCU sad of situations where it came down hard on

1635
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: somebody and then the truth was found out. I'm hoping

1636
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: in all cases here that that this man is clean

1637
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: and this was everything he said it was. If it's

1638
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: not Luke, then that would explain why he's at this

1639
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: age and not going backwards physically and able to ramp up.

1640
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 1: But I also want to add one thing, peds or not.

1641
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 1: And a lot of people that are close have been

1642
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: following him from the beginning professionally have been saying this,

1643
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: his improvement cannot be overlooked. Like he was a little

1644
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: slow footed, slow handed when he first turned pro and

1645
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: it's that it's that commitment to the craft and improving

1646
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: as he goes on that he's just a different fighter now.

1647
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: You can see physically he's just different. He's a rock. Yeah, Luke,

1648
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm really hoping that this story takes the positive turns

1649
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: to clear him if that's the case. If it's not,

1650
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: you got to take that rant I just did. That

1651
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: was all, you know, fun and games and roses and

1652
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: let's put the crown on the king's head and really

1653
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: change that. But would you believe that the facts that

1654
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: we know you to believe that he's going to be

1655
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: fine or would that be a a little bit of

1656
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: wishful thinking?

1657
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 2: Fine in what sense? In terms of accusations?

1658
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? That that like do you like, you know, like

1659
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: when Canelo lost the triple G rematch immediately and said, sorry, guys,

1660
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: tanted beef. It happens in Mexico. You gotta be honest, Luke,

1661
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: all these years later, we don't bring it up. We

1662
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: gave that guy the benefit of the doubt. He seemed

1663
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: to have a plausible excuse. Or maybe we just said,

1664
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 1: you know what everybody's using anyway.

1665
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would imagine that drug uses. I

1666
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: would imagine that drug use in boxing is rampant. They

1667
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 2: do have VADA, which is not nothing if for folks

1668
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 2: who care about it. There is something to be said

1669
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: for VODA. In fact, I think is the best way

1670
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: is legit. Come on, well, it's only not legit in

1671
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: the sense that it is voluntary, and so you are Yeah,

1672
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: I know that some sanctioning bodies require it in certain ways,

1673
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 2: but you know, it is a voluntary system. But I

1674
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: would say it's the best system. And the reason why

1675
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: I say that is because if you do care about

1676
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: anti doping, as antidoping enthusiasts do, their protocol is pretty rigorous.

1677
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 2: Their science is a modern relatively speaking, and again they

1678
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: get the buy in from the stakeholders. It's not forced

1679
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 2: on top of them in a way that other systems

1680
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: might be. So for that reason, I actually feel like

1681
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: that for people who are like, well, what's a good

1682
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: solution to you for drug testing in sports. Vada Vada

1683
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: is a great solution. You buy into it, and that's

1684
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: the end of it. So, okay, neither here nor there.

1685
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 2: But I think if he has some more testing issues

1686
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: that he could have real problems. I think if this

1687
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: is the only one that comes up, then it's probably

1688
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 2: not a big deal. But here is really the issue.

1689
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: This is why everyone wants some kind of like this

1690
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: guy's clean and this guy's dirty. You just can't actually

1691
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 2: have that conversation. So I'll give you a perfect example.

1692
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 2: You brought up Canelo. Canelo had claimed that he had

1693
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: clem butterol in his system because he had eaten some

1694
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: beef in Mexico. So here's what we know for a fact.

1695
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: We know for a fact that the tainted beef in

1696
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: Mexico depending on certainly where you buy it, but the

1697
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 2: readily accessible kind is so bad that all the sports leagues,

1698
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: including the NFL, has been very explicit about this. They

1699
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: warn their players in the off season that if you

1700
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: are going to go to Mexico, you must be aware

1701
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: that if you eat the beef over there, there is

1702
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: a chance that you could have an adverse analytical finding.

1703
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: Just from ingesting a normal taco. That is not or

1704
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 2: we however you wanted to ingest it with whatever kind

1705
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: of way you were. I mean certain cases that came

1706
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 2: from a taco. But you get the idea, however you

1707
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 2: serve it, that is a real thing. Factory farming out

1708
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 2: there uses pharmaceutical drugs to keep these animals both big

1709
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: and as bacteria free as possible, and to do that

1710
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 2: they resort to a series of pharmaceuticals, and clem butterol

1711
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 2: obviously being one of them. It does make its way down.

1712
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: We have seen in other cases youth soccer teams have

1713
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: similar issues where there was never any other way to

1714
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: say that they were on performance dancing drugs, but they

1715
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: ingested beef in Mexico and sure enough it ended up

1716
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: in their system. I bring this all up to say

1717
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: it sounds ludicrous to someone who might be skeptical to

1718
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, this guy had beef, and you

1719
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 2: know that's really what caused it, not the fact that

1720
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: this guy's in a very difficult professional environment and job

1721
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: and use performance dancing drugs to give himself a benefit.

1722
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: Like a skeptical person is naturally going to go to

1723
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 2: the second one. But the world in which we live

1724
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: has made adjudicating these claims increasingly difficult. You have seen,

1725
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: in fact, this is one of the reasons why I

1726
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 2: really do like the UFC's new anti doping policy over

1727
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: what USADA has done, which is that you heard Jeff

1728
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: Novitzky say, not exactly on these terms, I am paraphrasing,

1729
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 2: but there used to be something of a standard where

1730
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 2: it was if you ingested it and it showed up

1731
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: in your body, you were automatically responsible for it, even

1732
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: if it was a case of contamination. And there, in

1733
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: fact you might be laughing at me. USADA has documented it.

1734
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 2: There have been cases where a US female gymnast got

1735
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: in trouble for drinking water out of her tap that

1736
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 2: it turned out had trace pharmaceuticals in it. She was

1737
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: able to get cleared after some time. But we live

1738
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 2: in a world of tainted beef, tainted water, tainted materials.

1739
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: Contamination is frankly everywhere, including with the sensitivity of all

1740
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: of our tests and whatnot, and some of them can

1741
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: be sensitive but inconclusive, which is kind of what you

1742
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: have in a case with Canelo and other ones as well.

1743
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: All I'm trying to bring this up to say is

1744
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 2: people want to sort athletes into these neat categories, and

1745
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: the way in which we have constructed anti doping and

1746
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: the way in which we have used the scientific tools

1747
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 2: available to us, it just simply doesn't make that possible,

1748
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 2: except in extreme cases like Jerrell Miller be see who

1749
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 2: popped for like yeah seven different. I mean, he was

1750
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: just on everything you could possibly imagine.

1751
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah that using yeah really bad arrest to.

1752
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: Trying to make the part trying to make is quickly

1753
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,839
Speaker 2: just on better beef. Let's see, let's see what happens.

1754
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 2: But if it's just this then what happened over the

1755
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: past week, which is again an atypical not adverse analytical,

1756
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: then to me, it doesn't mean shit. It doesn't mean

1757
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 2: a damn thing.

1758
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that. I did have something

1759
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: to tell you related to Mikey.

1760
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: I sent it in the chat. I don't know if

1761
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 2: you can get the tweet up or you can get

1762
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: the news Luke.

1763
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: I threw it in the chat too.

1764
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: It's from the it's from the thing I sent. It's

1765
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 2: not just Dariel, it's everyone reporting it. It's in the

1766
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 2: it's in the thing, it's in the it's in the graphic,

1767
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 2: but if you want, please read it.

1768
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so breaking news boxing wise. Out of these upcoming

1769
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia future supercards. For the February seventeenth Usik versus

1770
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: Fury heavyweight undisputed fight, the cole main event will be

1771
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: a cruiserweight banger between Jay is it pronounced al Pataya Luke,

1772
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: this guy's legit. I want to get the pronunciation rights,

1773
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure torturing Turbiev or better Viev or

1774
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: better Beef, it's your choice. He's gonna be Ji Appataia

1775
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: is gonna take on the former champion, Myris Brightest. That's

1776
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: a fantastic fight, probably for a cruiserweight title as the

1777
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: comaine to Fury USIC. And then in March, the day

1778
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: before the UFC pay per view when a j Anthony

1779
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: Joshua and Francis and Ganu box, Jill el Jiang from China,

1780
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: who has one of those secondary heavyweight titles, is gonna

1781
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: take on Joseph Parker fresh off his upset of Deontay Wilder.

1782
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: So look, that's not nothing as we for get further

1783
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: closer to really finding out who's the best heavyweight in

1784
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: the world, and then hopefully the winner of that fight

1785
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: fights the remaining most popular guy who's left coming out

1786
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: of in GHANU versus AJ. This is getting fun, dude,

1787
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:39,879
Speaker 1: I'm excited.

1788
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And again I hope we get a chance to

1789
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: show the fight poster because it looks pretty cool. They

1790
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: did like a street fighter video game kind of thing

1791
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: with it. They didn't go full out all the way

1792
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: with it, but they went pretty far. It looks it

1793
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: looks cool. It looks cool. Okay, see, well that is

1794
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: it for our top five With that, I was gonna.

1795
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: Say, I know it now I remember. Don't forget also

1796
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: that while you can trans for PDS through eating tainted beef,

1797
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: do you remember when that female US boxer a few

1798
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: years ago while training for the Olympics, tested positive for

1799
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: PDS and then they found out that she acquired it

1800
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: through through sex with another athlete who was who was

1801
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 1: using luke That you can do that.

1802
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 2: These things you don't imagine that they're possible. They are

1803
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: in fact quite possible.

1804
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: So think of an MMA where you know, power couples

1805
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 1: is becoming the norm. It's a very incestuous organization in sport.

1806
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if people don't pop more often because of that. Luke,

1807
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I pop just thinking about it, right, you

1808
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: know that's all right, Gray, I'll see myself out all right.

1809
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 2: With that in mind, it's time for you to get

1810
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: to ask us questions. It's time for dms from Donks.

1811
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: All right, is like, is he throwing up?

1812
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: Or is he getting off? I couldn't figure it out.

1813
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Look that I don't like.

1814
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 2: Have you ever thrown up while getting off? I mean

1815
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: I have it, but I would imagine someone has. Right,

1816
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: this is our.

1817
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: Last show for more than one reason.

1818
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 2: Now, okay, yeah, exactly all right? B C. Question number

1819
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 2: one from Flannels and Jets are a regular in these parts.

1820
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 2: What is your favorite Jim Miller fight? Good question. I

1821
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 2: know how both of you feel about Jimi are not

1822
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: being a standard Hall of Fame guy, but is there

1823
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: something to be said about his longevity, consistent evolution. We

1824
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: got to the last part, but the first part BC

1825
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: favorite Jim Miller fight? What do you think I have?

1826
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:29,839
Speaker 1: I'd have to look and I and that's an argument

1827
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: against his Hall of Fame ship for sure. I mean, look,

1828
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,919
Speaker 1: without looking, what's his best win? That's probably a better.

1829
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 2: Question, oh man, I actually think some of his best

1830
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: work happened a lot earlier in his career.

1831
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't give Thiago alvas in twenty sixteen. Is

1832
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: that an aftermarket win? Would you say? Uh?

1833
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: Well, he'd yes, the Thiago alvas one is after market

1834
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 2: for Thiago a little bit. That's a dude.

1835
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: Early Charles Olivera in twenty ten, that's got to be

1836
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: the best win right now.

1837
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 2: The Yancy Madeiros wins a good one for BCO. Coremois

1838
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: is a good one. The first Joe Lazan one was decent.

1839
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: Melvin Gallard was a good one. Melvin glar one was

1840
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: really good one. Kamal shallerwus folks remember that name. He

1841
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: was a good Iranian fighter, first in WEC then UFC.

1842
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: That was a good win. At least in t Bow

1843
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 2: is a good win. Mark Bochek is a good win.

1844
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 2: Dwayne Ludwig not so much because Dwayne lock was a

1845
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: good fighter, but he was mostly a striker, so he

1846
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: got subbed out in that one. He's had a few

1847
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 2: good ones. He's had a few good ones. Yeah. The

1848
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: worst loss for him would be the Nate Diaz one

1849
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 2: where he was biting on his tongue when he got guillotined.

1850
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 2: But short of that not so much, all right, b C.

1851
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 2: Question number two from real KEMPI are people forgetting that

1852
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 2: DDP gassed out versus Till in the second round and

1853
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 2: was one big punch away from being done. Now, BC,

1854
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 2: wasn't this pre nose surgery like you know? Yes, yes,

1855
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: him mouth breathing.

1856
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,520
Speaker 1: It was not just pre no surgery, it was pre evolution.

1857
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: Because I watched that fight randomly recently as well on YouTube,

1858
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: and the thing I took away from watching it was

1859
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: I felt, even though that's a great win for DDP

1860
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: and shows how physically dominant he can be, I remember

1861
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: thinking after that fight, and I felt it again after

1862
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: rewatching it. Of man, his striking is just not at

1863
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: the at the elite level. His his awareness, everything like

1864
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: he has made. You got to give him credit, Luke.

1865
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: That Robert Whittaker up said doesn't happen if he doesn't

1866
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: make really good leaps to things like his am and

1867
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: his technique as IQ, all of that. It does now

1868
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: seem to be really coming together in a way that's

1869
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: overwhelming and overpowering. But I'll never forget heading into Whittaker

1870
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: fight week, Luke, where I gave him almost no chance

1871
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: and and and Jed Meshu the second over there fighting

1872
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: was like nah, man, Ddp's gonna win. Get ready and man,

1873
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 1: I thought that was just a really weird Southern lawyer,

1874
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 1: a nonpracticing Southern lawyer with a lot of issues in

1875
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: his life, Luke. But he turned out to be a

1876
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: profit Jed. And he doesn't get there without DDP figuring

1877
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: out how to be a professional. And you need that.

1878
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: You need with you know, either losses or fights that

1879
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: you win, but you made a lot of mistakes. You

1880
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: need to get better. He got better really fast.

1881
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: Give him he's a good athlete. I mean, he has

1882
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: some wonky ways of doing things, but just like pure

1883
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: athletic terms, raw power, you know what I mean, He's

1884
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 2: got a lot going for him. And I think if

1885
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: you can tidy up the rest of the things that

1886
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 2: you've kind of articulated, you can get pretty like are

1887
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 2: you picking Dona? Real quickly? Real quickly? And we'll talk

1888
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: about this with our two ninety seven preview BC. But

1889
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: if I go to the odds for this one for

1890
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 2: the UFC two ninety seven, they've got Sean Strickland. Our

1891
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 2: friends at fand will have Strickland as a minus one

1892
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 2: thirty eight two duple ces plus one eight slight favorite.

1893
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you I might take the action, not

1894
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: just on the betting terms, but I kind of feel

1895
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 2: like DDP might win. The thing is with this on

1896
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:43,919
Speaker 2: Sean Strickland, he had the perfect style and then approach

1897
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: and night to really shut down a thoughtful striker who

1898
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 2: takes his time like is he is. He was fighting

1899
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: at his pace. DDP is just not going to do

1900
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 2: that in all likelihood.

1901
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: And he's also going to be more physical than out

1902
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: of sight out to sign you a you know, one

1903
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,839
Speaker 1: of the best strikers of all time, but isn't overly

1904
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: physical in some of the same ways that DDP can

1905
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: just close the distance and be on top of you. Look,

1906
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: Strickland can win this fight with his boxing, but look

1907
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: the fact that Strickland isn't a finisher against the at

1908
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: least hasn't been a proven finisher on the elite level

1909
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: in either category in striking or subs. That is going

1910
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: to give me pause of him holding the title for

1911
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: any level of length. I do think he has specific

1912
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: great skills that are going to be really hard for

1913
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: strikers to figure out. But you'd say DDP is more

1914
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 1: than a striker, right, I mean, you know he's a

1915
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: yes problem.

1916
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 2: Yes, his path he passed Robert Whitaker's guard with the

1917
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 2: Tozy pass, which is like a real brutal way of passing.

1918
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm taking the upside.

1919
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get a lot. I wonder if

1920
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: this line gets pretty damn close by fight night because

1921
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: of that, uh real.

1922
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: Quickly before we go to the next question, we have

1923
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 2: the fight poster that we aforementioned for Francis and Anthony

1924
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: josh Let's take a look at it here. If we

1925
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 2: can knock out chaos they kind of build I mean, so,

1926
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: for example, they kind of let it down a little

1927
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: bit in terms of the graphics by the bottom and

1928
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 2: sort of middle rows. Even the main of comin to

1929
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: an extent, obviously, but the way they did Joshua and

1930
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 2: uh and Francis looks cool as hell, is it not?

1931
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. It's it's the video game font there.

1932
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: It looks very early ninety sixteen bit Sega Genesis. I'm

1933
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: with you, I'm in on it.

1934
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it all right. Question number

1935
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 2: three here for DMS from Gem City Jesus, Which fight

1936
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 2: do you Which fight do you think sells more pay

1937
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 2: per views? Fury Usik or Joshua and Ghanu, Joshua and Ganu.

1938
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Right, yes, Joshua and Ghanu opens the door up to

1939
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: a much larger audience. But it doesn't mean I think

1940
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Fury Usk dies on the vine. I mean there's there's

1941
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: not just the personality of Tyson Fury, but I mean

1942
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: it's history, it's you know, it's too unbeaten, all time

1943
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: great champions. I mean really like we we probably don't

1944
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: talk about it enough. And the reason why we don't

1945
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: is because even though we are finally getting Fury versus us,

1946
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: in some ways, it's not really like the championship the

1947
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: end of the bracket because because Aj has never fought

1948
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 1: Fury yet, so that's a possibility of a fresh new matchup.

1949
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: And I think because in Ghanu could crash this party completely.

1950
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: But we also have to factor in like if if

1951
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Fury wins in this short term, man, I mean, that's

1952
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: that's for either guy, but maybe even more, here's the

1953
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: real question. Who has more to gain from one victory

1954
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: in this fight over the other. I think it's Usik

1955
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: because he's arguably the greatest cruiserweight champion of all time

1956
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: along with Evander Holyfield. He won an Olympic gold medal,

1957
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: and now unbeaten, he has the opportunity to become an

1958
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: undisputed heavyweight champion if Usik beats Fury here in their

1959
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: first fight, regardless of what happens after, He's already a

1960
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame fighter. But this is the ticket to

1961
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: like immortality, right whereas Fury's fighting more to get this

1962
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: fight under his belt, get the history of it. But

1963
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: then you still have to beat Joshua in my opinion,

1964
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: or in Ghano if he beats him in Ghano definitively

1965
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: to say I'm the best of this era. And that's

1966
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 1: really what Fury's fighting for either way, Luke, I think

1967
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be close, but the star power of

1968
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: the AGANU and the MMA fan base I think will

1969
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: win out. What do you think I done? Say?

1970
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 2: And Gan, who has been doing like Shannon Sharp's podcast,

1971
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 2: has been doing like all kinds of stuff that like

1972
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 2: whatever the significance of Usik versus Fury, and of course

1973
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 2: it's legitimate in ways that far exceeds anything that Joshua

1974
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 2: and and Ganhuo are doing fair enough. I understand that,

1975
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 2: and to your point, it's not like a huge distance

1976
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 2: necessarily between them in terms of what they ultimately will sell.

1977
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 2: But the star turn that and Ganu has taking has

1978
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,679
Speaker 2: taken people keep thinking like, oh, it's the MMA fan base,

1979
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 2: which I do think some of that will be in play,

1980
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 2: don't don't misunderstand me. But there's a casual audience that

1981
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: Francis has begun to tap into that I don't think

1982
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,719
Speaker 2: we're fully aware of yet, and that will manifest itself

1983
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 2: in something like this.

1984
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: And you can't say, well, look, the Fury in gan

1985
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Who fight was a bomb. Well yeah, because the all

1986
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 1: of us in the media rightfully so in hindsight not

1987
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: knowing what we didn't know, Because what we didn't know

1988
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: was remarkable that in Ghana was this good. We all

1989
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: played that down as being not necessary and getting in

1990
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: the way of the Usik fight, and again rightfully, so, Luke,

1991
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: I just didn't expect and I don't think Tyson Fury

1992
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: did either, that in Ghana would be this good. So yeah,

1993
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: that fight's going to draw a little bit more. But

1994
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: I guess my point was the history involved in the

1995
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Fury Usk I think you're still going to get a

1996
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: good number, even considering it's in the afternoon, and considering

1997
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: we're in a pay per view era where it's hard

1998
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 1: to do great numbers and it's very easy to steal

1999
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 1: the fights.

2000
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 2: No question, fair enough. Question number four from John Davis

2001
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 2: dot of dot earth dot six one six. I mean,

2002
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 2: just send this guy to the gulag for the name

2003
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: like this, the UFC is offering a ten dollars discount code.

2004
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I saw this for UFC two donety seven. Is it

2005
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: a sign pay per views will be down for this event? Yes?

2006
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 2: I think that it is. I think that they realize, dude,

2007
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 2: this card on paper not great. Couple of gems, A

2008
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 2: couple of gems, as there always are a couple of

2009
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 2: interesting storylines here or there, but two donety seven is

2010
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 2: not a a strong p per view product relatively speaking, right.

2011
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 1: And it speaks to we haven't been in Canada for

2012
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: a pay per view in a long time, and now

2013
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: we're finally coming back. So you're loading it up with

2014
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Canadian prospects looking to break through, and you're putting that

2015
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: women's bantam weight Bacant title belt in the Cole main event,

2016
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: which you know I mean, it's their decision. Look, I

2017
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: can't I can't tell them.

2018
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: How will you see the temperatures for Toronto this week?

2019
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 1: No?

2020
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 2: Oh, the highs are all like in the negative eights

2021
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 2: or something. Let me, let me pull up the.

2022
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: Aren't they a lot more used to that than American

2023
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 1: whimps like us?

2024
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, so the.

2025
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: High instead gets that hard edge on him, Luke, you

2026
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'm exaggerating.

2027
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm exaggerating a little bit. I'm exaggerating a little bit.

2028
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 2: So that's not quite I guess with the wind chill

2029
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 2: will be different. But the temperatures for like say, Wednesday

2030
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: high of seventeen, Thursday high of twenty two, Friday high

2031
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 2: of nineteen, low of five, and then Saturday a high

2032
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 2: of thirteen. Have fun, Have fun. Toronto was a great city.

2033
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 2: It's just fucking cold.

2034
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: There were some what are rumors that the O'Malley win

2035
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: last time out against Stirling did under the threshold of

2036
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: what ESPN expects. You know that that whole thing of

2037
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: ESPN's getting is paying per pay per view to the UFC,

2038
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: the equivalent of if they sold five hundred thousand buys

2039
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: in the old, the old way we think about it.

2040
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then a discount doesn't come out

2041
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: unless they are looking to draw up more business. So

2042
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: I think that would say that, Yeah, pay per views

2043
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: seem to be down in general. I mean, they don't

2044
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: go out, they don't aggressively. Look. I don't watch ESPN

2045
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 1: content day to day obviously, like I used to working

2046
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: there or being a super fan of all sports. Now

2047
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I just follow combat. But is it getting like aggressively

2048
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: pushed down the throat of casual fans these days? Do

2049
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: you come across Sports Center in the barbershop or whatever

2050
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 1: and see UFC on there regularly? I don't know if

2051
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: I can fully speak to that.

2052
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that I watch enough

2053
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 2: ESPN to really know. I don't think that I can

2054
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: answer that question. I just don't. I don't see it

2055
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 2: enough to get a sense of things anymore. I watch

2056
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 2: if there's a game I want to wat watch. Otherwise

2057
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 2: I don't watch. So yeah, all right, Uh, Last, but

2058
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: not least from Dallin M. Johnson BC. What are your guys?

2059
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 2: Is for you pages filled with on social media. I

2060
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 2: think I have an idea about what yours are filled

2061
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: with what is.

2062
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: He talking about? Like on Facebook or something.

2063
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: So on like TikTok or threads. You can have the

2064
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,959
Speaker 2: what you follow, which is the ones you've actively selected

2065
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: to follow, and then for you kind of what the

2066
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 2: algorithm suggest you might like based.

2067
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: On the it's Is it like you said one time

2068
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 1: that if I open up my Instagram and hit the

2069
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 1: circle button on the bottom and if it brings up

2070
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: nothing but chicks that look like UFC strawweights that I'm

2071
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: telling on myself. Did you say something in that paraphrasing.

2072
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 2: That's about right? Yes, exactly?

2073
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 1: All right, well then you know UFC strawwights, because there's

2074
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot for this job that you know you got

2075
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 1: to have.

2076
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 2: Definitely, yeah, mine's definitely not women with big asses. It's

2077
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: definitely not that, it's everything else, but that, you know

2078
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Definitely definitely not that.

2079
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.

2080
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. All right, BC, that's it

2081
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 2: for our five questions there from the fans. Now it

2082
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 2: is time for your feces. I can't wait.

2083
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, a nice small, small batch here with a lot

2084
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: of potency. Luke, okay, all right.

2085
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 2: Tut, very artal batch of.

2086
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I scoted the glove, the good, the bad, the

2087
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: highs and lows, the ugly, something like that. It's heavy

2088
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: seen this ship. Let's watch it all right? Who I

2089
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: love that at the end. You know that's a good

2090
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: one we have, right, that's a good interest.

2091
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 2: That's a great one. I agree, all right, UFC.

2092
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Back at the APEX, look, I mentioned the empty arena.

2093
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 1: You know what wasn't empty? The seat right next to

2094
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: the cage. You know who filled it? That punky QB dude.

2095
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: I popped huge for this. Jim McMahon was on screen, like.

2096
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 2: Of the does Mark Rattner look despondent?

2097
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: Why does Mark Ratner look younger than him? Luke? I

2098
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: will say this my second favorite athlete of all time

2099
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: after Larry Bird. Jim McMahon. I still aspire to be

2100
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: in this role as shamelessly arrogant and successful as that

2101
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 1: man once was at the peak of his powers.

2102
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 2: People just don't even know what a brash personality or

2103
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 2: even who the fuck he is, but we do.

2104
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 1: They don't know, They don't even know how. You know

2105
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 1: what his greatest I would say as an NFL quarterback

2106
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:29,679
Speaker 1: is greatest reputation is legacy. Nobody played hurt more ill advised.

2107
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: But nobody played hurt and sacrificed their body more as

2108
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: a QB than that man. Luke. Okay, I mean he's

2109
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 1: paying for it now, believe that. All right, But he

2110
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: got that.

2111
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 2: But he looks like his blood alcohol content is like

2112
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: fifty percent bud light at this point.

2113
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: But hopefully, Luke, let's get him on the couch because

2114
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: I'd pop huge for that. All right, let's keep it

2115
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: going here. I mentioned the ankle liya of call out

2116
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Speaker 1: for the interpreter afterwards. This is what I love to see.

2117
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 2: But this is not the most important thing.

2118
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 1: The most important thing is I am ready to fight

2119
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: for the title.

2120
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 2: I have ten victories in a row.

2121
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: It's been a long time. I'm worth it. Give me

2122
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 1: that fight for the title now. Dude, shouldn't everyone speak

2123
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: like that. You're not getting paid enough. You should be

2124
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: demanding opportunities like that.

2125
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,560
Speaker 2: Also, he's had a couple of fuck ups. Remember he

2126
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 2: had a draw and then the weird stop thing whatever

2127
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 2: it was, no contest, whatever they called it. Ultimately, in

2128
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 2: the end he had to get right. He had to

2129
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 2: have everything dialed in, so good for him he did.

2130
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 2: He did exactly what he was supposed to meet job

2131
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:27,759
Speaker 2: on clife.

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01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I hear another person in a big spot when they

2133
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,639
Speaker 1: go any callouts, and you're like, Nope, whatever the company wants,

2134
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: it's what I do.

2135
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 2: Whatever the UFC wants to give me. It's like, okay,

2136
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 2: well then that's what you're gonna get.

2137
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 1: Just whatever exactly you're gonna get. Hey, Luke, I mentioned

2138
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,600
Speaker 1: featherweight gene silva. Is that how I pronounced that or

2139
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: is it like heen or something.

2140
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: It's gene, right, I think it's gene. So yeah, he's Brazilian,

2141
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be an h Okay.

2142
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Look, this was the slow, creepy walkout that took so

2143
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:54,480
Speaker 1: long that Shaq MAJORI told me they went to commercial

2144
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: break at the end of it, and when they came back,

2145
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: he still hadn't entered the cage. Can you explain this?

2146
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is me leaving the gym after leg days.

2147
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 2: That's what this is.

2148
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 1: That's very relatable and very true. Yes, yes, is this

2149
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: like because we were I once ripped Poeton's entrance until

2150
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 1: someone told me it was, you know, a reference to

2151
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: his indigenous history and a warrior code. Shout out, what

2152
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:18,719
Speaker 1: is this right here?

2153
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 2: This is BC looking at the girl's asses at the gym. Yes,

2154
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 2: by the row of treadmills.

2155
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 1: You know, well, look he had a hell of a

2156
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 1: t k O victory where he showed big power. But

2157
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: what did you think of the celebration afterwards?

2158
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 4: Ah, looks like Jay Aaron dude, right.

2159
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 2: You know, not my favorite, not my favorite, little a

2160
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: little sketch that I don't quite get the barking dog

2161
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 2: slash Poindexter glasses a bit, but if it works for him,

2162
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:00,839
Speaker 2: and it works.

2163
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: For him one finish we didn't to talk about on

2164
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: this undercard. How about bantamweight Marcus McGhee, Luke, this was this.

2165
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 2: Dude's a beast. Look at this, look at this right.

2166
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Hook and watched the kick too.

2167
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 2: Damn we missed the right hook. There was a right

2168
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 2: hook that really set it all off at the beginning.

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01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 2: By the way, shouts to Randy Steinkey. You guys might

2170
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 2: not know who he is, steinky st e I n

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01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 2: k E. He's one of the striking coaches out at

2172
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 2: the MMA lab. He is one of the guys who

2173
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 2: works closely with McGee who's been kind of in my

2174
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 2: ear the whole time. But like, this guy's amazing. This

2175
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 2: guy's amazing. Randy Steinkey one of the best striking coaches.

2176
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people know Randy Steinkey.

2177
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: All right, Luke Top rank Boxing was in Quebec City

2178
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 1: for Better BEV and this, by the way, was a

2179
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 1: banger of a televised card. A lot of credit out

2180
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: there to the matchmaking. Here we mentioned that Arthur better BEV.

2181
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: How about I commit to that pronunciation. Better BEV was

2182
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: surgical in his destruction. Here's the finish against Calum Smith.

2183
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: Everything short, hard and accurate.

2184
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 2: Right. So the way he set this up is he

2185
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 2: moved away to the power hand and then walked to

2186
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 2: the jab side hand, waited for him to counter, and

2187
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 2: then came over the top. And that's what set all

2188
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 2: of what you're watching into motion. He tricked him, he

2189
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 2: baited him. Well, this is what I mean about the

2190
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 2: boxing BC. The thing that started it all off. We're

2191
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 2: watching him go into terminator mode here, which is cool,

2192
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. But the thing that set it

2193
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 2: all off was not him leading this way. It was

2194
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 2: Callum Smith leading and then him tricking Callum Smith during

2195
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 2: that process. That is what got this all started. That's

2196
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: what we mean about being a guy who can actually

2197
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 2: box and be a terminator at the same time.

2198
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 1: Dude, that's just schoolyard bullying. I mean, he's squaring up.

2199
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: The technique is obviously great, he's split in the gloves,

2200
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: but he's just throwing short, conclusive just you know, just

2201
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 1: daddy pantson this elite fighter. I mean, it's it's incredible

2202
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 1: because if you can hang late into a fight with

2203
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: him and a couple of people have you better have

2204
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: the gas tank and you better have the next level

2205
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: chin because he's going to be all over you and

2206
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 1: he does not stop. Luke, it's it's damn all right. Hey,

2207
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: this colemin event, we got to start talking about the

2208
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 1: super middleweight division. Christian Mabili French speaker here, Luke twenty

2209
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: six and oh with twenty two kast Dude, he got

2210
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: into a war with Australia's Rohan Murdoch, who brought just

2211
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: giant balls to the to the dance here, let's get

2212
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: a little a little zoom in on what you missed

2213
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 1: if you did.

2214
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 2: Sure right.

2215
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 5: In Montreal and these local fans loving every minute of it.

2216
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 2: Backs him up with that right hand.

2217
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 5: Now he digs to the body again, comes across, just

2218
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 5: miss with the sleeping right hand, doesn't miss.

2219
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 2: With that closing moments.

2220
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 5: Here around number five and Murdoch's in trouble against the

2221
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:06,440
Speaker 5: ropes mothered by him, Billy I stolen body, damn its

2222
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 5: pious taking and taking.

2223
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: And taking glossy. How good do you think this guy is?

2224
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 1: I mean he looked the part here against against this offsee.

2225
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean physically he looks great. We gotta see him

2226
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 2: testing againstbody's got some real skill, but physically, goddamn, he

2227
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 2: looks the part.

2228
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Goddamn, very impressive stuff and not to be outdone. Pantam

2229
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: Weight Jason Maloney, who just recently won a world title

2230
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 1: defended against Saul Sanchez, and they're talking about early fight

2231
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: of the year contender. Here's a little snap it snippet.

2232
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, look, did you watch this fight at all?

2233
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:45,679
Speaker 1: This was a war?

2234
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: No, not this one.

2235
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: I mean not big punchers, but they left it all

2236
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: out in the ring there. If you got a chance

2237
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: to rewatch this on the old plus anybody, A big

2238
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: win for Jason Maloney in a hell of a performance

2239
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 1: from both. All right, Luke your SoundBite of the week.

2240
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:05,799
Speaker 1: You remember Chris Rose from the best damn uh sports

2241
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: show period? Remember that Luke. You remember that right?

2242
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 2: Yes? From Fox Sports. Yep.

2243
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's now on the NFL Network desk and get

2244
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 1: ready for this is the defense of Patrick Mahomes bad

2245
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 1: Right Wait is it possible?

2246
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 2: Defense? Listen?

2247
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 1: Ah turns out it is, Luke, it is possible. Wow,

2248
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I didn't see that.

2249
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 2: That is so fucking hilarious. Can they ride the d? Yes?

2250
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Who is that analyst? He's like, stop it just stop.

2251
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 2: It was when he stopped and went, man, come on bro,

2252
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 2: oh god, that was great. Can they ride the d

2253
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 2: That is awesome?

2254
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to your T shirts of

2255
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:54,640
Speaker 1: the week, Luke, Hopefully you can find this on the

2256
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 1: discount rack.

2257
01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 2: Finally found it says, is that Walmart boner king?

2258
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: All right, you sent me this one from Lights Out

2259
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,719
Speaker 1: fourteen Regional MMA. Watch out, Luke, he's back.

2260
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Big Dick is back in town. That is fucking dude.

2261
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 2: This is nothing. First of all, he's walking to the

2262
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 2: cage with a black eye, with his hat on backwards

2263
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 2: and his shirt says big Dick is back in town.

2264
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 2: This is about the most MMA looking man I've ever seen.

2265
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: Who wants to get Dick down. That's what I'm gonna ask.

2266
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 2: Who wants to sex the kimbe. That's what we want

2267
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: to know right here.

2268
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna go to this hockey broadcast. Watch the

2269
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: fan in the back on the right.

2270
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 2: Don't bully me, I'll come okay, all right, that's a lot.

2271
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's a lot, Luke.

2272
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 1: In this space, you're always upset of people who violate

2273
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: US flag Code in terms of their nWo wrestling T

2274
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,679
Speaker 1: shirts with What about this guy, Luke?

2275
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know how this would work. I mean,

2276
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 2: his shorts obviously fucked the whole thing up. But yeah,

2277
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if getting strategic sunburn qualifies as flag

2278
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 2: code dishonor I don't know. I don't know how that works.

2279
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: I think he honored it. Actually, he was willing to

2280
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 1: endure that pain. It's like all your fraternity brethren who

2281
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: get that brand on the arm, Luke, so they can be.

2282
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 2: I think that's almost exclusively a black fraternity thing. I

2283
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know that, but.

2284
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's extreme.

2285
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:35,759
Speaker 2: Come on, the QE Dogs do that. The Q Dogs

2286
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 2: do that.

2287
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: They're tougher than I am. Let's be honest about it,

2288
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, of course all right, keep it moving here, Luke,

2289
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about trash talking karma. Listen to this angry driver.

2290
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no no. Hold on, Mike,

2291
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 2: I gotta see that one again, honest, see that one again.

2292
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:11,640
Speaker 1: Too bad. We couldn't have seen them.

2293
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 2: America's roadways are filled with absolute morons, morons BC morons

2294
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 2: to the n degree. It looked, honestly that I mean,

2295
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if you guys know

2296
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 2: where that is. Don't know if it looked to me

2297
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 2: like just interstate America. It didn't look it didn't look

2298
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 2: super special. The only thing that didn't make that America

2299
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:34,879
Speaker 2: is that no one say again.

2300
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 1: Turn left at the BUCkies? Is that what you're saying?

2301
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 2: The only thing that didn't make in America was that

2302
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 2: no one brandished a firearm. That's the only difference.

2303
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 1: We go well. Street fight of the week, Luke, Check

2304
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: out this move. Will this be coming to an m

2305
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:59,799
Speaker 1: M A cage anytime soon? Oh yeah, it's like a discuss.

2306
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 1: Swinging around there.

2307
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 2: Turned him around and then hit him with the old

2308
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 2: left hook, left hook. Larry there, that's good, that's good work.

2309
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 2: That's solid work.

2310
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 1: All right, you're Multitasker of the Week if skateboarding wasn't

2311
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:12,719
Speaker 1: hard enough, Luke, look at this guy.

2312
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:15,759
Speaker 2: Is about to lose teeth.

2313
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: I think it's about the games.

2314
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 2: He's hitting the bong. Okay, all right on the skateboard.

2315
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 2: All right, Let's see if you can pull this off

2316
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: New York City style. I'm guessing. Let me tell you something, buddy,

2317
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 2: let me tell you something for the kids out there.

2318
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 2: Jesus can shred and hit the bong at the same time.

2319
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,800
Speaker 2: Don't think he can't. Don't think he can.

2320
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Who would you think if I wanted an h y

2321
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: Sts spinoff where we interview the people, the weird people

2322
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: in these videos afterwards? Likesh redemption two point oh? You

2323
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: ever see that back in the day, Luke?

2324
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

2325
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going to Major League Baseball this Casey

2326
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,879
Speaker 1: Royals outfielder Luke took one for the team.

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Speaker 2: Here, yeah, right on the old Yeah. Look at that face.

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Speaker 2: That's not a happy man. Let's see this one. Hey,

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Speaker 2: here's my idea, BC. Maybe next time, catch the ball, motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: You get paid to do it. How about that. Indeed,

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01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 2: you're going to catch the ball, or you're going to

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01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 2: catch a ball. You know what I'm saying. Either way,

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01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 2: you gotta catch it.

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Speaker 1: Our license plate of the week usually puts us in Maine, Luke,

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01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: one of the weirder states of our Union. Very beautiful state, though,

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01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: what do you think about this plate?

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01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 2: I eat a five to five. I don't know what

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01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 2: he means by that, BC. I'm very confused by the

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01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 2: vacation land nature of this man's.

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Speaker 1: Tag, Luke, trying to keep his job. All right, Let's

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01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,759
Speaker 1: check in on the whites, Luke. We had an outlaw

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01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 1: one video because there was too much ass in it.

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01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 2: Which you described to me as only the whitest I mean,

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01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 2: short of a clan rally, only the white the most

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01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 2: non racist white video imaginable the way I would put you.

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01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's we got other white videos here. Let's

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01:51:51,520 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 1: go inside the bar and watch this chick yo. I

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01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 1: think they call that natural selection, Luke. We got one

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01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 1: more for you. Oh, those whites, Luke, those are the

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01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 1: uh that's the ship of the week, if you want

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01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 1: to me.

2352
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 2: I see the girl falling off the table one more time.

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01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:41,839
Speaker 2: What song was she singing?

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01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, Luke, I don't really

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01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: you know.

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01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 2: Dude, I've worked at a bar once where they all

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01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 2: the girls would get on the table. I don't know

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01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 2: who started this. I had to go around and be like, yo,

2359
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 2: it's a fire hazard. We're not allowed to just get this.

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01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,479
Speaker 2: Get the fuck off where they would get on the

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01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 2: tables and dance to bon Jovi's what's the song? Oh Oh?

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01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 2: Living on a prayer halfway the.

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01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 4: Live in.

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01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 2: I just wanted to spray him with fucking pepper spray,

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01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 2: just to get him out of the bar. I didn't

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01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 2: do that, but I wanted to in my mind.

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01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:11,600
Speaker 1: Did you have a bartend at Coyote Ugly Luke and

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01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 1: have to dance on the bar?

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01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 2: No? I got thrown out of Hogs and Heifer's. But no,

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01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 2: I've never done that.

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01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 1: What did you? What did you do to get thrown out?

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01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,560
Speaker 2: We can close the I don't exactly remember. I was

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01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 2: with two other guys and we got asked to leave.

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01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure. I don't really remember. I was

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01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 2: really drunk.

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01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 1: I've been escorted out of, or sorry ejected from many

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01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: a college bar Looke for very foulllw and offensive reasons.

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01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:35,680
Speaker 2: Did you ever get thrown out of a bar for

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01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,680
Speaker 2: something that was not your fault.

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01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: No, okay, I always had a common look. Believe me,

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01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 1: all right, you know, yeah.

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01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been around a one bar that was not

2383
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:50,679
Speaker 2: my fault. One bar and that bar went out of business.

2384
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 2: It was on it was on Nineteenth Street and m

2385
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 2: in DC. So shouts to those people for throwing me up.

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01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 1: That's your ship of the week. Reminder of a few things, Luke.

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01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 1: First of all, you can get our merch. We're both

2388
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: wearing it. Luke wearing a one point zero designed style

2389
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: old school I got on the Factory town MMA. Sure

2390
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: you can go to Morningcombat Dot store right now, check

2391
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 1: out the latest styles, check out the Average Joe our

2392
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 1: crossover collection. And if you want ten percent off right now,

2393
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 1: live ten is your code Live E one zero skim

2394
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: a little bit off the top, but Luke, do you

2395
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 1: want to reiterate if you miss off the top of

2396
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 1: the show. Sure, breaking news, a little bit cryptic, but

2397
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 1: for good reasons. But we're coming. We're coming.

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01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know it might seem a little

2399
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 2: bit hard to parse. What does it all mean? Trust

2400
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 2: us when we tell you, please, please please, These are

2401
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 2: steps we are taking a concerted, thoughtful way to set

2402
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 2: MK up for its next chapter. So for the month

2403
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 2: of January, the MK shows will be once a week.

2404
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,160
Speaker 2: It will be on Mondays. We're going to roll back

2405
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 2: MK regular shows for the entire month of February for

2406
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 2: a big relaunch in March. During that time, though, we

2407
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 2: will not be silent. For example, we're gonna have a

2408
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 2: two ninety seven preview this week. I'm gonna do a

2409
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 2: post fight show for UFC two ninety seven. Stuff like

2410
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 2: that's gonna be out there. We'll do interviews. You don't

2411
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:13,760
Speaker 2: have to go anywhere else. You don't have to subscribe

2412
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 2: to anything new. Stick with what you got on our socials, Mike,

2413
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 2: if you want to put the social graphic up there,

2414
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,280
Speaker 2: you can do that. You can follow us on all

2415
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 2: the socials. Nothing about that changes, YouTube, dot Com, Slash

2416
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 2: Morning Combat, nothing about that changes all that's going to

2417
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 2: be in play. Guys. We have big dreams, we have

2418
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 2: big ambitions, and more importantly, we have plans. Those plans start,

2419
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 2: They've been starting for a while. But the mechanism of it,

2420
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 2: the actual groundwork, the under construction sign, so to speak,

2421
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:43,880
Speaker 2: it goes up today so that we can have a better,

2422
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 2: brighter future. We cannot be more serious about this, and

2423
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 2: we appreciate everyone who's been a long force, and we'll

2424
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 2: continue to be a loan force.

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01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully a little bit of this absence will make

2426
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: the heart grow fonder as we come back big. But

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01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: we're in the process of finalizing these plans now, and

2428
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 1: when we can tell them to you in full detail,

2429
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 1: you'll be the first to know in a big way.

2430
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,000
Speaker 1: But uh, the MK that you always wished we could be,

2431
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: we got a chance to share to be that. So

2432
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: come along with us. Thank you, as Luke said off

2433
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: the top, for always having our back from the beginning.

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01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: This is just another transition. We got through the pandemic together,

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01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 1: we got through a wild twenty twenty three together. We're

2436
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 1: still standing better than will ever be. Okay, all right,

2437
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 1: so please don't go on me. Don't go on me now,

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01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's keep this going together.

2439
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be a tendency to be like, oh, gosh,

2440
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 2: less MK, is this is this a bad thing? No? No,

2441
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 2: it's a temporary change so that we can set up

2442
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 2: a new future. That's it, and are going to.

2443
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 1: Live in separate houses temporarily figure a few things out.

2444
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 1: We're back together, parent trap style.

2445
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 2: And these are big, substantive, exciting changes, but we can't

2446
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 2: do them all in one moment. We can't just flick

2447
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 2: a switch. Things have to happen in stages, and so

2448
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 2: for that to happen in the way that we want

2449
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 2: to give us the best post future, this is the

2450
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 2: path that we have taken, and we do feel pretty

2451
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 2: confident will be in a great place when it's all

2452
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 2: said and done. So again, don't go anywhere. Everything stays

2453
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 2: where it is. We're just gonna be rolling back some

2454
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 2: of the MK regular content until we can really fully

2455
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,400
Speaker 2: relaunch it. And when we do, look the fuck out,

2456
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 2: because twenty twenty four is gonna be our year for

2457
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 2: the taking in your face, in your face things. Let's

2458
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 2: see reminder YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat. By the way,

2459
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:26,080
Speaker 2: I put up the Dewey Cooper interview, or I should

2460
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:27,839
Speaker 2: say thank you to Mikey who got that up on Friday.

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01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 2: I did not do what he did it Thanks to

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01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 2: Mikey for getting that up. We have that up. We

2463
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 2: talked to him about this Anthony Joshua Wall fight and

2464
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 2: everything else. You see. If you haven't had a chance

2465
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 2: to listen to it yet, I really encourage you, especially

2466
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 2: as the boxing mind between us, some of the stuff

2467
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 2: he says about Listen, he may not be able to

2468
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 2: convince you that Francis is gonna win. But if there

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01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 2: was one prevailing theme throughout that entire conversation, it was

2470
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 2: that the world in his mind, the world is going

2471
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 2: to see that the performance against Tyson Fury was not

2472
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 2: in his mind because Fury took him lightly. It is

2473
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 2: because it was no flu and you're going to see

2474
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 2: evidence of that against Anthony Joshua. If he can't make

2475
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 2: you believe that that Francis will win, he can at

2476
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:08,640
Speaker 2: least get you super excited for that fight in a

2477
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:10,200
Speaker 2: way that maybe you haven't been to this point.

2478
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, Francis moved his entire team and

2479
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 1: training camp to Saudi Arabia for this one, so he's

2480
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,440
Speaker 1: going to be working out there acclimating to the time

2481
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 1: and that harsh weather, that unforgiving climate, Luke, which you

2482
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 1: are currently experiencing in a quite opposite way in DC.

2483
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: So bundle up, stay warm, stay safe on the roadways, Luke,

2484
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 1: get ready for when we bang, well like not like

2485
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 1: like not like real like not.

2486
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:38,200
Speaker 2: Like really not like really, but all right, pick us

2487
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 2: up Mortancombat at gmail dot com and you can hit

2488
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 2: me up Luke Thomas News at gmail dot com. Thank

2489
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 2: you guys so much for watching, so for Mikey, for

2490
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 2: CBS and everyone else involved here in the project. That's

2491
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Reminder, UFC two ninety seven

2492
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 2: preview coming out this week and there will be a

2493
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 2: post fight show for UFC two ninety seven, an instant reaction.

2494
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 2: I've got you covered just the same. All right to

2495
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 2: b C IMLT. This has been MK, and until next

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01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 2: time they all of your gains. Be loyal