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Speaker 1: Welcome and everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pi Zapia.

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Speaker 1: Today I've got Jake Seey from the Athletic and my

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Speaker 1: Pattick Cakes Pat fitz Morris hanging out talking to a

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Speaker 1: little football. And today we're gonna take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: at some running backs and give you the running backs

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Speaker 1: that you need for twenty twenty six. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: round by round, and what this means is we're gonna

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Speaker 1: try to find our favorite target, our best value in

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Speaker 1: every single round to go through. Because you have lots

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Speaker 1: of different approaches to your running back position this season.

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Speaker 1: You can go with the early RBS, and you can

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Speaker 2: With round one.

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Speaker 1: Jake, you drew first blood here, so go ahead. You

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Speaker 1: get to pick your round one running back. And I

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Speaker 1: drew a double take because if I had Pat taking

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Speaker 1: the round one running back that we love the most,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he would have taken this guy. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think Pat's gonna have any objections whatsoever. So Celia,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about your round one pick. Your favorite guy,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's favorite guy for value, because if you have

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Speaker 2: the one, two three pick, I mean, robinsoner Gibbs feels

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Speaker 2: obvious and there's only going to be basically, if you're

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Speaker 2: looking at the next tier, and I have the next

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Speaker 2: throw CMC in there, whatever it might be. I think

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Speaker 2: people forgot that. Through week ten, Jonathan Taylor was destroying

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Speaker 2: the running back position. Then it was about twenty six

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Speaker 2: And yeah, Daniel Jones did play a few games after

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Speaker 2: think it just Jonathan Taylor's upside. If we have a

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Speaker 2: healthy Daniel Jones for most of the year, the touchdown

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Speaker 2: to be there, everything's going to be there. Where if

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Speaker 2: people were worried about the volume, I get that it's

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Speaker 2: going to be an argument for if you want to

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Speaker 2: chase these running backs or not. But if I'm looking

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Speaker 1: That second tier. All Right, I know, Pat, you're probably

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Speaker 1: not going to argue against Taylor, but I want to

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Speaker 1: in the precipice of opening day for baseball as well.

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Speaker 1: Fancy pros MLB, by the way, go check that out anyway, Pat,

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Speaker 1: if Jeremiah Love should be around at the turn, is

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Speaker 1: he a better investment potentially than Jonathan Taylor? Do the

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Speaker 1: fact of age difference? Or would you rather have Taylor?

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Speaker 1: Knowing the situation and what we've seen from a little

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Speaker 1: too excited too early about rookie running backs regardless of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in redraft, i'd rather have Taylor. And that's even

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Speaker 3: if Love went to an optimal spot, I think like

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Speaker 3: I would still rather have Taylor.

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Speaker 4: And I know maybe some people are going to be

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Speaker 3: Scared off that Taylor's production waned a little bit after

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Speaker 3: the Daniel Jones injury. Daniel Jones was hurt in week fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and from week fourteen on, Taylor averaged three point one

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Speaker 3: have been more due to the defenses that he played.

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Speaker 3: Taylor faced a murder's row of run defenses late in

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Speaker 3: that end of season stretch. I'm not sure that had

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Speaker 4: I'm totally cool with it.

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Speaker 3: I know Jake is honorable man, and I didn't want

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Speaker 1: Let's good to know who you are deep down, pat,

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Speaker 1: You know, behind that lovely Midwestern exterior there lacks. There

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Speaker 1: lies a villain there, very very angry man.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, seely, I was gonna say, don't forget he

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Speaker 2: faced the Chiefs in Houston before that stretch, run two, Pat,

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Speaker 2: and those are two deep. I mean it was like

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Speaker 2: you said, it was a murders a row to finish

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Speaker 1: All right, Pat, let's take a look at round two.

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Speaker 1: Who is your favorite value at the RB position.

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Speaker 3: It's Ashton Genty. His ECR right now is fifteen overall.

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Speaker 3: He was just put in such a bad situation last year.

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Speaker 3: The Raiders offensive line was short on talent to begin with.

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Speaker 3: They lost Colton Miller to a season ending knee injury

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Speaker 3: injury really early in the season. So Genty averaged one

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Speaker 3: so the offensive environment for genty just was putrid. They

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Speaker 3: averaged fourteen point two points a game. No other team

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Speaker 3: averaged fewer than sixteen point four points per game. Raiders

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Speaker 3: ran the fewest offensive plays of any team in the league.

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Speaker 3: So things are going to be better for Genty this season.

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Speaker 3: Colton Miller is going to be back the Raiders suned

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Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza, I think he's got to be an upgrade

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Speaker 3: just even with the fierce headwinds he was facing. Last year,

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Speaker 3: Genty scored ten touchdowns and managed to churn out thirteen

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Speaker 3: hundred yards from scrimmage and he had fifty five catches.

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Speaker 4: Like, there's a lot more.

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Speaker 3: Meat left on the bone for Genty this year, and

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Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance he gives you first

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Speaker 3: round value with a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, Jake, because we're just talking about Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: Love right and talking about you know, these rookies excited

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Speaker 1: about and we go from liking them to aelve of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, they go way too high in ADP. And

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Speaker 1: now we're getting a situation where Ashon Genty in year two,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of getting a pass, but you're you're getting

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Speaker 1: a second opportunity to reinvest in him at a pretty

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Speaker 1: decent cost better than last year. In some drafts too,

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Speaker 1: which I think is interesting because as pass pointing out.

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Speaker 1: It seems like Gent's going to be in a much

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Speaker 1: better position to succeed this year, especially with a new

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator too. Mean, god, what a train wreck the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator situation was last year there with Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on Gent?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm positive on the excuse me, the entire Raiders.

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Speaker 2: And Patt knows this because we had a big fun

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Speaker 2: argument with Scott Bogman and we're talking about Dynasty. If

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Speaker 2: I needed a one off QB three for Dynasty, I'd

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Speaker 2: buy Gino Smith for free because I look at the opportunity,

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Speaker 2: like everybody hated, I know this new team. But to

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Speaker 2: be clear of why everything went wrong with the Raiders

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Speaker 2: last year, from the offensive line, from the play calling,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at Barkley at nine, I'm right there, and

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Speaker 2: that means that Genty's at seven for me, which I

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Speaker 2: think that if you would have said this this time

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Speaker 2: last year, after how much the disappointment was, We're like, wow,

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Speaker 2: that might feel a little bit lofty, But twelve point

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Speaker 2: nine in what everything went wrong like, let's be clear

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Speaker 2: about what genty was to go to pass point. Through

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Speaker 2: the first five weeks, the dude had over one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: It was like one hundred and five percent of his

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Speaker 2: through week five. So it's just a real test into

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Speaker 2: how bad things went wrong last year. So I'm in

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Speaker 2: gent Land. This is what I would actually prefer. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna find this out later. Pat and I were talking

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Speaker 2: to Slack too. Is we're gonna get into like the

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Speaker 2: theme of drafting running backs this year. I'd rather almost

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Speaker 2: double up at the end of first and get another

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Speaker 2: early in the second because of how this is gonna fall.

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Speaker 2: I hated the odd rounds you gave me. The odd rounds.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you get to go first and I got

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Speaker 2: to three and five and I'm like, man, this just sucks.

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Speaker 2: I don't want any of these running Let's.

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Speaker 1: Stick with the theme because the guy you picked in

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Speaker 1: the third round is another player who has a new coach,

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Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, but a little bit more track record

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Speaker 1: than Ashton gent Is. Dereck Henry is the guy in

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Speaker 1: round three, which I agree with. A couple of fumbles

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Speaker 1: and some weird spots last year which we're not used

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Speaker 1: to seeing from Dereck Henry, and also some weird reactions

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Speaker 1: by Harbaugh two those fumbles, like, that's Derrick Henry. I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you fumbles four times, you put them

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Speaker 1: back out there in the game. It's Derek Henry. You

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Speaker 2: I'm okay. Round two I would be off this one.

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Speaker 2: Like if this switch, I would have been one hundred

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Speaker 2: Pat I feel like also the Derek Henry equation doesn't

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Speaker 2: I know Derrick Henry's another year older. Do you think

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Speaker 3: I don't envy Jake, and I know Jake wasn't thrilled

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Speaker 1: If only knew, if I, if I had known, I

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Speaker 2: Oh, you had actually done purpose on.

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Speaker 3: Purpose that I know, if only Jake had known how

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Speaker 4: It was perfect.

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Speaker 3: All they deserted for the family, and I was the

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Speaker 3: Jake was in kind of a bad spot with Kenneth Walker,

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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry, and Josh Jacobs being twenty eight, twenty nine

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Speaker 3: I just I think all those guys are a little

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Speaker 3: like running backs generally who catch passes. That's kind of

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Speaker 3: taken Henry out of my wheelhouse and drafts for years.

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Speaker 3: Finally took him. Last year.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't his best season, but he still took.

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Speaker 3: Me to a championship game, and I got Bryce Purdied

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Speaker 1: A championship game. Shouldn't you have been Dereck Henry in somebody?

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Speaker 3: I did Derick Henry someone, and then they brock purdied

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I got in Jake's Flex League. I

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest problem with Henry is that he

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Speaker 1: Ish last year. But I used to be because of

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Speaker 1: the health of Lamar. He became roller coasters last year.

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Speaker 2: he was because I had Derrick Henry and one of

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Speaker 2: because you were we were all like, Derek Henry, why

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Speaker 2: And I had him in a lot of spots In

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Speaker 2: remember last time Derek Henry got single digits in a game,

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Speaker 2: the year before the flour was like fourteen fifteen, and

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Speaker 2: last year it was just that. And yes, Lamar did

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Speaker 2: come into play. But at the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: But like, hey, Derek Henry is still good football. And

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Speaker 2: The way, I just wanted his fourth rounder. That's what

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Speaker 1: I just really wanted this point.

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Speaker 2: I wanted his fourth and his sixth rounder. I tried

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Speaker 3: The age thirty two thing doesn't bother you guys with Henry.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's like a different species of

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Speaker 1: They lost their Joe, we're definitely close to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if he wasn't six five two fifty, then yes,

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Speaker 2: But I feel like even if he loses a little

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Speaker 2: the area I was ever concerned with when it came

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Speaker 1: Anyway. Yeah, by the way, quiz shit for everybody? What

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Speaker 1: what makes canol elite? Do you know? It's not a joke,

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Speaker 1: it's not serious stuff nothing. No, no, well it makes

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Speaker 1: an ricotta. I don't like it. Well, look, there's different

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Speaker 1: what they I'm sorry, I'm sorry for Italians out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the regatta. No, no, no, it's regatta,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's not regatt. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: But what makes a cannoli truly elite is when you

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Speaker 2: Just sprinkling them on the end.

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Speaker 1: You see they pipe it and then they dip the ends. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: What you do is it makes the chocolate chips inside

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Speaker 1: That's what makes a cannoli truly elite.

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Speaker 2: Last question before we move on, Joe full size or

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Speaker 2: the minis.

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Speaker 1: You know the minis because I like the ratio better.

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Speaker 1: The full size is too much cream. The shelter.

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Speaker 2: I don't love them because I don't live, no, no, but

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Speaker 2: I will eat the minis.

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Speaker 1: I actually do like the There you go, put that

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Speaker 1: four and the guy that Jake likes so much, so Pat,

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Speaker 1: I assume that's the guy that you chose Kyron Williams.

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Speaker 3: Over the last three seasons, Kyroen has averaged ninety seven

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Speaker 3: forty five regular season games. He's finished RB two, RB ten,

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Speaker 3: the best offensive minds in the game, Sean McVay. I

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Speaker 3: He kind of a kind of an inefficient season in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Hasn't always been a metric starling, but man,

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Speaker 3: exact same role in a top offense, yes please Kyle Williams.

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Speaker 1: Jake. I feel like, you know, every year people making

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Speaker 1: excuses of why not Kien Williams, But it seems like

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Speaker 1: those excuses have been wrong every single year.

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Speaker 2: It's I don't know what it is about the Rams,

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Speaker 2: but I joke about this all the time. Is I

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Speaker 2: have never seen a running back more hated that continues

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Speaker 2: to produce than Kyen Williams. Like everybody wants to do

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Speaker 2: what Sean McVay does every single year, Take a new

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Speaker 2: running back, talk him up, and then not really do

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Speaker 2: anything with it. For everybody that's concerned about Blake Corm,

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Speaker 2: guess what Karen Williams once again inside the top ten

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Speaker 2: is still top ten. They still turn to him. I

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Speaker 2: know we talk about pass blocking when it comes to rookies,

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Speaker 2: has been doing this for eight years, talking up Zach

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Speaker 2: Evans and all the other jabronis that he continues to draft. Yes,

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Speaker 2: pretty actually above average good running back, but he's not

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Speaker 2: a threat to the workload and the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: Blake Korm and I will continue to draft kiraen Williams.

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Speaker 2: I wanted him in a Round three. The fact that

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Speaker 2: he's in a Round four is criminal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. And look, you always take

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Speaker 1: Korum later too, if you want to make sure you

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Speaker 1: But if Kron Williams should go down, Quorum is going

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Speaker 1: damn good doing it. So that's one thing to keep

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Speaker 1: Who was that guy for you, Jake Seally? Because it

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Speaker 1: thought might change a little bit year over year, but

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Speaker 1: as of right now before the NFL Draft, it looks

433
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Speaker 1: exactly the same situation.

434
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Speaker 2: So I looked at round five, and to go back

435
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Speaker 2: to my point earlier, I'm not drafting running backs around five.

436
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Speaker 2: Let me make that clear, because I'm looking at round

437
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Speaker 2: five and I don't want any of them for their value.

438
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Speaker 2: I'm drafting wide receiver because I've got at least one

439
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Speaker 2: running back at this point, maybe two. But the point

440
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Speaker 2: being is, I'm kind of sitting out this area. We

441
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Speaker 2: did this last year, Joe, You and I talked a

442
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Speaker 2: lot in pre draft time talking about rounds five and six,

443
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Speaker 2: looking better for wide receivers or even chasing a quarterback

444
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Speaker 2: or at tight end because we get to these committees,

445
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Speaker 2: we get to these time shares gets questionable situations and

446
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Speaker 2: this is what this round is. And I'm looking at

447
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 2: him like, you know what Cam Scataby coming off an

448
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,600
Speaker 2: injury and Quinchawn Judkins, we love the fact that he

449
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 2: could be a bell cow, but he's on the Browns.

450
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing with their offensive line.

451
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Speaker 2: I know they kind of plugged the holes, but they

452
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 2: kind of plugged them with You could argue, I'm not

453
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Speaker 2: an offensive line guy, but I've seen people report that

454
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Speaker 2: you could argue it's worse than it was last year

455
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Speaker 2: for the plugged holes, and maybe it's better. Who knows.

456
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Speaker 2: But all like I'm looking at is like I just

457
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Speaker 2: take the last one and the last one is RJ.

458
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Speaker 2: Harvey and only because when we talked about this on

459
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Speaker 2: the previous show, is that he's properly priced at this point,

460
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Speaker 2: like RJ.

461
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Speaker 4: Harvey.

462
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Speaker 2: With JK Dobbins coming back, JK Domins is a threat.

463
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Speaker 2: JK Dobbins was better, it was the best of his

464
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Speaker 2: career before he got hurt. But JK domas hasn't played

465
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Speaker 2: a full season and what forever, I don't think his career.

466
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Speaker 2: So at some point we could get back to RJ. Harvey,

467
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Speaker 2: who was an RB one at the end of the

468
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Speaker 2: season when it was all him. It's just to start

469
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Speaker 2: the year. That's probably not going to be the case

470
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Speaker 2: because Sean Payton brought everybody back and he makes four

471
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Speaker 2: running backs active on game day. But at this point

472
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Speaker 2: when we're talking about these running backs, at least I

473
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Speaker 2: know that, you know, if something happens to you know,

474
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Speaker 2: one of I don't want to give well, Dylan Samson,

475
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Speaker 2: We're talking about him later, but if something happened to

476
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Speaker 2: Dylan Samson, It's not like Quinchin Jenkins is going to

477
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Speaker 2: rock it into RB one level. If something happens to

478
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Speaker 2: Tyrone Tracy Scatterabow just by that injury isn't going to

479
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Speaker 2: rock it to RB one level. He might get it

480
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Speaker 2: on his own.

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Speaker 1: R J.

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Speaker 2: Harvey of this group is the one where the injury

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Speaker 2: next to him and along with Trevon Henderson and the

484
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Speaker 2: only two that if the injury happened to the other

485
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Speaker 2: running back, they would.

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Speaker 1: Get to RB one production, all right, So they have it. Pat,

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Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on the Bronco situation too. They brought

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Speaker 1: back Dobbins, but obviously I think we know Dobbin's limitations,

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Speaker 1: and typically the limitations, I mean, the second half of

490
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Speaker 1: the season typically is a limitation for him. So how

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Speaker 1: do you rank or or value R J. Harvey going

492
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Speaker 1: into this season considering what you saw out of him

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Speaker 1: towards the latter part of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: This is maybe end of the fifth round is maybe

495
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Speaker 3: a little earlier than I would be willing to go

496
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Speaker 3: for him.

497
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Speaker 4: And yet JK. Dobbins not durable.

498
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Speaker 3: We know that, but when dot was in there, he

499
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Speaker 3: averaged fifteen point three carries in the ten games he

500
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Speaker 3: played last year, and RJ. Harvey was ever doing five

501
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Speaker 3: carries a game while Dobbins was healthy. So I just

502
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Harvey showed enough to change Sean

503
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Speaker 3: Payton's backfield deployment. I think it's going to be a

504
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Speaker 3: lot like that again, and that makes Harvey unusable.

505
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Speaker 4: And we kind of didn't.

506
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Speaker 3: Get RB one production from him after Dobbins got hurt. Like,

507
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Speaker 3: I just didn't think Harvey was very good. He certainly

508
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Speaker 3: wasn't very efficient like in this round, I know he

509
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Speaker 3: goes eight spots earlier in ECR, but I would rather

510
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Speaker 3: take my chances with Traveon Henderson.

511
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Speaker 4: He is a usage obstacle too.

512
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Speaker 3: Maybe Ramandra Stevenson is a more worrisome obstacle than Dobbins,

513
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Speaker 3: just because Stevenson is more durable. But unlike Harvey, Henderson

514
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Speaker 3: actually showed out when he got a chance, Like he

515
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Speaker 3: made four starts and he averaged one hundred and three

516
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Speaker 3: yards from scrimmage and scored five touchdowns in those four games.

517
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Speaker 3: So like he proved that he can do it if

518
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Speaker 3: he gets the chance to be a lead guy, whereas

519
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Speaker 3: I don't think RJ.

520
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Speaker 4: Harvey really did.

521
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Speaker 1: It's good points, good points all around there too. Patriots.

522
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Speaker 2: Also Harvey was.

523
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Speaker 1: Committed to running the football too.

524
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Speaker 2: Jake, I'd say Harvey was RB seven weeks thirteen through seventeen.

525
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Speaker 1: That's what I was referencing there. So there's definitely the

526
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Speaker 1: RB one upside.

527
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Speaker 2: I say it was more floor because it was very

528
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Speaker 2: consistent in the mid teens. But that's the point I

529
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Speaker 2: was referencing with Harvey. Once we had the JK. Dobbins

530
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Speaker 2: out and at the end of the year usage that's

531
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Speaker 2: the usage. But that's a huge question. I don't disagree

532
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Speaker 2: that much with Pat. Basically a tiebreak between Henderson and

533
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Speaker 2: Harvey for me was Henderson's the beginning of the round,

534
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Speaker 2: Harvey's the end of the round, and I just I

535
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Speaker 2: don't want to take anybody in the trend anyway.

536
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Speaker 3: No, Harvey actually was I was mistaken. I didn't think

537
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Speaker 3: he produced like an RB one post Dobbin's injury.

538
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Speaker 2: I mean it's only five weeks, but it was like

539
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eleven, twelve, twenty sixteen, something like that in

540
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 2: that range.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with RJ. Harvey, part of it is

542
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Speaker 1: also format that you want him into, you know, like

543
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: I you know, in standard formats or even half I think,

544
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, he sort of look at it the other

545
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: way a little bit, maybe more negatively, but in the

546
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: full point PPR, I think there's a universe there. And

547
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: it's another year older for JK. Dobbins too, So I

548
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: mean I just put that on the tab as well

549
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: for him as a guy who's had trouble staying healthy

550
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: and every year into the NFL career is not make

551
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: that typically a better situation. I think we've all learned

552
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: that the hard way over the years of doing this.

553
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: In Round six, let's talk about a guy here, Pat

554
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: who has a new location, new address, but I could

555
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: actually improve his fantasy value. Let's talk about David Montgomery.

556
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Speaker 1: This is your selection here, so talk to me about

557
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: Montgomery in this new situation with the Texans and what

558
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: it means for his fantasy value.

559
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Montgomery's a solid Round six value. Like,

560
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's pulses are going to quicken over

561
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: drafting David Montgomery. But he's going to be the primary

562
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Speaker 3: early down back and primary goal line back for the

563
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Speaker 3: Houston Texans, who one of the best defenses in the

564
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Speaker 3: league and are therefore were going to provide the offense

565
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: with a lot of run friendly game scripts. Yeah, Monty's

566
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: role slightly reduced in Detroit last year, but that was

567
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: mostly about the Lions wanting to give Jamior Gibbs more work,

568
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: which is completely understandable. Not so much about Montgomery being

569
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: ineffective or inefficient. Like he averaged four point five yards

570
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: per carrey three point one seven yards after contact per carrey.

571
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: He was just fine. He was the same. David Montgomery

572
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 3: turns twenty nine this summer. It's getting kind of close

573
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: to the age, Cliff, but I'm not going to worry

574
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Speaker 3: about it until he turns thirty. I just think he's

575
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: really a solid six thrownd option. The other guys in

576
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Speaker 3: this round with the ECR were Jalen Warren and Basehal Tootin.

577
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Speaker 3: I don't hate the value on those guys, but I

578
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Speaker 3: think Monty is a better value.

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Speaker 1: Pat does this give you kind of the same vibes

580
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Speaker 1: that we had last year, And I gotta give you

581
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Speaker 1: credit because you were the one who was definitely on

582
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: him more than anyone I knew, and took a ton

583
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Speaker 1: of shares of him and all the mock drafts at

584
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Speaker 1: least that we did remember Jervonte Williams last year where

585
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, it's not really exciting, but he's kind

586
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Speaker 1: of the guy, and that turned out to be a

587
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: really good situation for fantasy managers. Are we in kind

588
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Speaker 1: of a repeat potentially there with Montgomery.

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00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 3: I think Montgomery is going to be slightly more expensive.

590
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right.

591
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Speaker 3: People were just not trusting the Javante Williams thing last year,

592
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: and I think people are going to regard Monty as

593
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Speaker 3: the clear lead back in Houston. So I think he's

594
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Speaker 3: going to be what what was Javonte Like? I was

595
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Speaker 3: getting Javante in round nine or ten. Sometimes he was

596
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: just like so cheap, just kind of on the discard pile,

597
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Speaker 3: and no one believed that he might be the Cowboys

598
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Speaker 3: lead back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turned out to be a pretty good return

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Speaker 1: on that investment, that's for sure. In twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Next up Jake Seeley with round seven. We spoke a

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Speaker 1: little bit about a Patriots running back, but not the

638
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: one that you're going to talk about, Jake, Who is it?

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00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: No, just the other one, Yeah, Andre Stevenson, just because

640
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: it is round seven. And I'm looking at the second half,

641
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: mostly late in the year, especially the playoffs, the Stevenson

642
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: Henderson combination, and I looked at the Patriots all season.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this on the Free Agencies show that

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00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: you and I did with Andrew, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what they did? So they added Reggie Gilliam

646
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, they're going to continue to

647
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,040
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648
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Speaker 2: this backfield. I know they added Romeo Dobbs and I

649
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: know Drake May. You could pick a metric out of

650
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Speaker 2: a hat and he's top five in the league in

651
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: downfield throwing, which is why great Romeo Dobbs is a

652
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: very interesting addition. But they're not going to get away

653
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: from what also works, and that's balancing it with the

654
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: run game. And for everybody that might think and I'm

655
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: not saying that people are saying this. I'm saying just

656
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: some people might assume they're going to see as Stevenson's

657
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: production and be like, oh, well, they probably were giving

658
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: them all this work. Actually, the worst game he had

659
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: late in the season was his biggest carry total. That

660
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: was his worst game. It actually worked better with this

661
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: time share in the backfield. And that's why because if

662
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: I only have one running back by this point, I

663
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: went wide receiver, zero RB, whatever it might be, Ron J. Stevenson,

664
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: you can plug in as your RB two. There's going

665
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: to be single digit games. But we're talking about round seven,

666
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: and we're talking about somebody who week in and week out,

667
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: because the Patriots are who they we thought they were,

668
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: who they are is they're going to continue to split

669
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: this backfield to give Stevenson touches. I will take Henderson

670
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: over Stevenson every single time. I'm not saying that I wouldn't.

671
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: But if I can get Stevenson as my RB two

672
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: and I went wide receiver heavy or zero RB, with

673
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: that weekly twenty points per game or twenty points upside

674
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: any given week I'm going to take that as my

675
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: RB two position because if I go that strategy with

676
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: my roster, I'm not looking for a running back who

677
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: averages eight points per game. I want the one who

678
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: could potentially win me a week because the difference between

679
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: eight and four is nothing. At my RB two positions.

680
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: The difference between eight and twenty that helps me win

681
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: that week where maybe I needed some help.

682
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Speaker 1: All right, No more Patriots running backs talk about now,

683
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: because we're talking about both of them there, and look

684
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Speaker 1: at its it right now too. With the way the

685
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers are structured, I think it's going to be

686
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: a pretty run heavy team. So ver Andre is a

687
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: good one. Pat Going back here, we had a little

688
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: discussion earlier about Kien Williams, and look who showed up

689
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Speaker 1: in round eight. It's Blake Koram. And so if you

690
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Speaker 1: have Karen Williams, certainly Korum is an interesting addition to

691
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Speaker 1: your team, and I would say an advisable one. But

692
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: if you don't have Karen Williams, I would also say

693
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: he's kind of an advisable pick up here because something

694
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: should happen to Kien. We saw some flashes of Korum

695
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: and we saw him have a nose for the end

696
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: zone last year too. That really panned out for us

697
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: in fantasy in some limited opportunities that he did get

698
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: where he was getting that weird time share at certain points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a big handcuff guy in drafts. I

700
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: don't generally like dedicating to roster spots to a single

701
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: position on a single team, especially when they're both single

702
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: digit round picks.

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Speaker 4: This is less about that.

704
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: It's just about the ceiling, Joe, and I know some

705
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: people would have an issue with taking Blake Korm over

706
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: Chewba Hubbard, who might be the lead guy in Carolina,

707
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: or Tony Pollard, who might be the lead guy in Tennessee.

708
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: Those two backs are also round eight picks in ECR.

709
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: The appeal with Korum is the potential upside. If Kyron

710
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Speaker 3: Williams were to go down. We would be ranking Blake

711
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: Koram as a top ten, if not top five running

712
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: back every week that Kyroene was.

713
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: Out in our weekly rankings.

714
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: And I don't know, maybe there's like a two percent

715
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: chance that Korm actually outperforms Kyron and takes over the

716
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 3: lead running back role on the merits, I doubt it.

717
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: I think there's a minuscule, non zero chance of that happening.

718
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: But at worst you are getting a hyper efficient backup

719
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Speaker 3: who you can play in a pinch in bie weeks

720
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: even if Kyron is healthy. But again, if Kyroen gets hurt,

721
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Speaker 3: Blake Koram's ceiling is the Sistine Chapel.

722
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Speaker 4: It's glorious.

723
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Speaker 3: And like I had Tony Pollard in leagues last year,

724
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: it was terrible. Like he was he was RB thirty

725
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: two for the first three weeks the season.

726
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: The season when he's like the smelled those incentives. At

727
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: the end of his deal, all of a sudden things

728
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: started to wake up a little bit for Tony Pollard too.

729
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: I had Pollard in our in house Fantasy Pros league

730
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: and I was getting trucked at the RB two position

731
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: every week, like getting outscored by double digits consistently.

732
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: It was terrible.

733
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the finals in that league too, and

734
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I lost to Bogman, who pookinakoued me because it was

735
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: the week before the regular finals. We ended a week early.

736
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: I could not catch a break last year. Man just

737
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: just one embarrassment after another and finals. But at least

738
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I got to the finals, so I guess that's I

739
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: guess that's a good thing. Whatever. Losing sucks anyway, Jake Seally,

740
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: I like the next guy you're going to talk about

741
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: here in your round nine selection because you complain that

742
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: the odd rounds aren't great. But I think this is

743
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: actually a better one than people realize. I think the

744
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: value of this player is going to be suppressed quite

745
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: a bit because there are some other names in this backfield,

746
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: but I really don't think any of them are real

747
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: competition at this point for the guy that came in

748
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: this offseason to the Cardinals, and that's Tyler Algie.

749
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have a lot of great names to

750
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: choose from one in this group. So Zach Charmonet might

751
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: not play twenty twenty six. So I thought about Aaron

752
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: Jones briefly, but that's the time share where you know,

753
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 2: I was surprised a lot of people were that they

754
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: brought him back and restructured. But if you look at

755
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: that Jordan Mason split, you know, I can see that's

756
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: skewing more towards him. So yeah, it comes down to Algier,

757
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: who I think can lead this backfield, and they restructured

758
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: James Connor to keep him around. That surprised a lot

759
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: of people. But I think the signing of Algier and

760
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: the restructuring to keep Connor around tells us that they

761
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: have very low confidence of what Tray Benson can do.

762
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: At this point, we're not quite to the Marshall Lloyd

763
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: territory where his career might be over before it starts

764
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: because of the injuries, but we're close. Like if they

765
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 2: drafted somebody in Day three and Benson doesn't even make

766
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: this team at this point, it wouldn't be a shock,

767
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: and that really sucks because I know a lot of us,

768
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: including myself, like that talent. But they signed Algier to

769
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: be the lead.

770
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Speaker 1: Now.

771
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: The downside is the passing game, but I think that's

772
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: why they kept James Connor around. I think they transitioned

773
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: James Connor at this point of his career into the

774
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: pass catching option alongside Tyler Alsier to lead this backfield.

775
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: If it's only two hundred and twenty touches and most

776
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: of them on the ground, sure that's the lacks a

777
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: little bit of appeal in half a full point PPR.

778
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: But we are talking about round nine, and if James

779
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: Connor isn't on this team himself and all of a sudden,

780
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: we're looking at Tyler Algier as rookie season before Beijon

781
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: got to Atlanta and he was a top twenty running back.

782
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: He can do it. It's not the most impressive, but as

783
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: a volume play, there's upside where Algier can easily just

784
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: if everybody stays healthy, he should outperform this value. And

785
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: then if something happens to Connor Benson never comes back,

786
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, we can see him being a top twenty

787
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: four running back as a probably mid low on RB two.

788
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the Cardinals backfield pat right

789
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: now the way it's currently structured, with the names that

790
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: are there. Are you high on Algier and do you

791
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: think he's a value here at nine?

792
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: I do think he is a value at nine, solid value.

793
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna leave James Connor in

794
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: the dust. I agree with Jake that this, the Algier signing,

795
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: does not bode well for Trey Benson's future. Plus third

796
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 3: the restructuring of James Connor's contract, So I think Algier

797
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: is going to get a majority or at least a

798
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: plurality of the running back touches in Arizona. And I

799
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: do think he's going to give you at least like

800
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Speaker 3: RB three value for fantasy.

801
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 4: So this is good spot for HM.

802
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: I think, all right, Pet, let's take a look at

803
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: round ten before we get there. A reminder too, Pat's

804
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Speaker 1: Pat number ten, it's another guy from our backfield. We

819
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: already discussed. So why is JK. Dobbins an intriguing selection

820
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: here in the tenth round in terms.

821
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: Of value, because I think he might be more valuable

822
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: than RJ. Harvey this coming year, and he's going much later,

823
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, just going back to when Dobbins was healthy

824
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: last year, he was the Broncos primary early down back

825
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: and he was giving his investors solid RB two production.

826
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 3: Dobbins got hurt in Week ten. Through the first nine

827
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: weeks he was RB eighteen and that was in PPR

828
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 3: Fantasy scoring, which isn't a great format for Dobbins since

829
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: he doesn't catch a lot of passes. He was RB

830
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: sixteen and a half point PPR Fantasy points per game.

831
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Speaker 3: I just I don't think Harvey showed enough after the

832
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: Dobbins injury for Sean Payton to alter his running back

833
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: usage that much.

834
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 4: And Dobbins is good when healthy.

835
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: Obviously, he is an injury risk if you're drafting him,

836
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: like you can't keep your head in the sand with

837
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: her guard to his durability or lack thereof. So yeah,

838
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: you have to insist on a discount. I think around

839
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: ten is a suitable discount.

840
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: All right, Jake, you got one more round to be

841
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: miserable about. But I think it's an intriguing selection that

842
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: you have here, because this guy is now a Jacksonville Jaguar.

843
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Trevis hen is now somewhere else. So a lot of

844
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: people love facial tutan. But Chris Rodriguez did sign there

845
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: has a history with Liam Kohne, and he didn't necessarily

846
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: sign for the veteran minimum kind of situation. Right, there's

847
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more in terms of the incentive. So

848
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more complicated of a contract which

849
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe points out that this backfield isn't completely settled and

850
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't all belong to bacial tutan. I like to

851
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: think that it does, but I also want to live

852
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: in the real world. So let's talk about Chris Rodriguez

853
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: and see if we can find some sort of common

854
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: ground here about how we should approach us backfield in Jacksonville.

855
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually signed for more guaranteed money than Javonte

856
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: Williams and Rico Dallos signed for last year, by the way, combined,

857
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: just again and give you an idea. So if you

858
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: look the fact of what Rodriguez was given, like, no,

859
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna run away with this backfield,

860
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: and in this range around eleven, I'm pretty much the

861
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: choices I had, Like, I don't want any of them.

862
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start taking flyers. There's one other I was

863
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: interested to see if Pat took it. He's actually going

864
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: directly behind Rodriguez. They're down at one sixty six and

865
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: one sixty seven undrafted right now is Jonathan Brooks because

866
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: we saw Chewba Harbard, who by the way, Hubbard might

867
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: go to the Peyton Hillis route. It's gonna be one

868
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 2: season and they're all like, oh, that was really cool,

869
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Like what happened? That was the only season that made

870
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: sense because if you look at Peyton Hills is in

871
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: Chuba Hubbard's careers right now almost identical. But anyway I'm

872
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: saying that to say is like, maybe Jonathan Brooks is

873
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: finally healthy. But Rodriguez and Brooks are some of my

874
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: favorite free ones, because yeah, you brought it up, is

875
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: that Rodriguez was given them the contract. He was given

876
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: the contract to be the lead. And maybe it's me

877
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: confirmation bias seeing myself here is the fact that I

878
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: just think Bachell Tuton is a timeshare piece, and that's

879
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. He is more explosive, he's more exciting,

880
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: than Chris Rodriguez. I'm not saying he's not, but I

881
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: don't think Bachhell Tuton is a quick to ever be

882
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: somebody in the NFL who's handling fifteen sixteen, twenty touches

883
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: a game. I think he's better as a complimentary piece,

884
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: and that's where you get the best out of him.

885
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: So I think is an interesting play. But for the

886
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: fact that he's free and Chris Rodriguez, you could take

887
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: him around eleven, twelve, thirteen. As of right now, he's

888
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: the lead option, which a team that's gonna have plenty

889
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: of goal line opportunities as this offense is finally turned

890
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: around under Liam Cohen. And yes, Tuton got a handful

891
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: of them last year, so it's not saying that Tutan

892
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: can't handle him, But you don't bring in Chris Rodriguez

893
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: and talk about him the way you do to not

894
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: kind of give him that role. Could it only This

895
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: is going to go back to the other conversation we

896
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: had early. Could it only be two hundred touchdowns and

897
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: somewhat touchdown reliant?

898
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Sure?

899
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: But what if Basechalle Tutont got hurt in like Week

900
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: three and all of a sudden, Rodriguez is looking at

901
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: sixteen touches every single week. It's a free play. And

902
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: the best part about this is when you take these

903
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 2: shots this late waivers come around week one, two, three,

904
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: and Rodriguez is a full blown committee and only getting

905
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: eleven touches. You cut him and move on because he.

906
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Didn't really cost you anything. Let's wrap things up here

907
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: with round twelve. Who is a guy that you think

908
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: is an intriguing value at the running back position?

909
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: I think Dylan Sampson might be a worthwhile flyer in

910
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: round twelve. I know we don't like the offensive environment

911
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: in Cleveland, but as of now, Dylan Sampson is the

912
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 3: Browns number two running back behind Quinn Schewn Judkins, who's

913
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: coming back from a dislocated ankle and fractured fibula, and

914
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: at a minimum, Sampson is going to be the primary

915
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: passing down back for a team that's likely to be

916
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: playing from behind all season.

917
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Jake, where your thoughts on Samson? Just out of curiosity?

918
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: You have a think on him?

919
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: I think is very interesting for what Pat just said.

920
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: You're talking about the fact that we don't we are

921
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: assuming Judkins should be okay, But that's a lot to

922
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: come back from and if he's not, I mean, at worst,

923
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: we think this would probably be like, in my opinion,

924
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 2: a sixty five thirty five maybe sixty forty split where

925
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: Samson is going to be a pass catching option. I'm

926
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: gonna see some work. You have Sweitzer coming in to

927
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: run the offense. Who comes for the Ravens. So, like

928
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: I know people will argua, well that means Judkins junkins

929
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: for Henry just people work with the talent they have.

930
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: It's just somebody who's proven. I say that for sweitzers

931
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: that can lead a run game and lead a run

932
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 2: game well, so they get the best out of Samson

933
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: and Judkins. So at a time share, that's cool. Brown

934
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: twelve sign me up. If something is where Judkins isn't

935
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, then we're gonna be talking about, like

936
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: if we knew today Judkins is not starting the season healthy,

937
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: not even out the field until like the end of September,

938
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: what Samson would be like a round seven to eight

939
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: pick because people would be taking the chance that we

940
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: might never see Judkins back on the field one hundred

941
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: percent this year.

942
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: Maybe Andrew Berry the Browns GM is a running back

943
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 3: quarter because I think there were some people who really

944
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: liked Sampson as a prospect last year, and then he

945
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: gets drafted by the team that already drafted Quinn Shawn Judkins,

946
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: and that obviously was a big, you know, splash of

947
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: cold water on the Sampson.

948
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: Darien price. Round two.

949
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they're doing that,

950
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: but if someone they like maybe slides to around four,

951
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: I could see them going running back again and then

952
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 3: all of a sudden Samson becomes a lot less appealing.

953
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then we've just drawing this all out the window. Pat,

954
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Jacksonville backfield too? I

955
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't get your take on there. So is Chris Rodriguez

956
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: somebody that you want to target late or is it

957
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: just really, Hey, we're familiar with this guy, we believe

958
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: in this guy, and if Tutin doesn't just run away

959
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: with a job, at least we feel we have some insurance.

960
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: I get why the prices are what they are.

961
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: I think Touton offers the greater upside, and like, if

962
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 3: I had to cast my lot with one or the other,

963
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 3: I'd go with Tutin. But it should be acknowledged for

964
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 3: the Touton advocates that Rodriguez is the inconvenient truth of

965
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: that backfield, Like he's gonna have a role for sure,

966
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna be the goal line guy. But I

967
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: know in PPR, I'm just like Rodriguez is a guy.

968
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: I'm just scratching off my board. I'm not drafting a

969
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: guy in PPR who average is like one target a month.

970
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: So like standard, and I'm in old fogy, So I

971
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: still play in a couple of standard leagues like I

972
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: might be interested in, right, respect.

973
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: I still call it standard.

974
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, non PPR. Well that was a that was a

975
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: whole uh.

976
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: Marketing ploy by the PPR advocates to refer to Standard

977
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: as non.

978
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: PPR like shifting PPR. But hey, I'm all for it.

979
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. It's time. It's time to evolve,

980
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: you know. I remember when I was ten years ago

981
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: pushing the envelope for super flex leagues and people looked

982
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,399
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983
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: why do we have the guys who scored the most

984
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: are the most important part of the NFL just floating

985
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: around the way wires dumb? What are we doing? Should

986
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: be super flex leagues that should be the new standard

987
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,879
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988
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