Speaker 1: What's that bed.
Speaker 2: It's spooky. I'm joky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's
Speaker 2: coming this way. Wait a minute, I Hyron dress police.
Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz. Oh my gosh, what a week. Okay,
Speaker 2: This last week's episode, I mean Chris Colfer was truly
Speaker 2: a gift from the paranormal celebrity interview podcast Gods, and
Speaker 2: I received so many messages and and even talk to people,
Speaker 2: people on the street, people at a show I did
Speaker 2: this week. I mean, people loved that episode. So if
Speaker 2: you haven't heard it yet, go back and and it
Speaker 2: really was so so wonderful and I absolutely loved it,
Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful that Chris did the show. And
Speaker 2: like always, I think I've got another amazing one for
Speaker 2: you today. I've got a return guest, our h Stavis,
Speaker 2: Rachel Stavis, who is a writer and an author and
Speaker 2: an exorcist. She wrote the book Sister of Darkness. And
Speaker 2: now if you're unfamiliar, here's what I might suggest before
Speaker 2: you listen, maybe go back to the first time Rachel
Speaker 2: was on. It's a two parter. It was last October,
Speaker 2: so it was October first and October eighth, and we
Speaker 2: get into a little bit more our h Davis one
Speaker 2: oh one, because what she does is unlike what other
Speaker 2: people do. It's unlike what you see in movies of exorcists.
Speaker 2: She's a non nominational exorcist. She can see what she
Speaker 2: calls entity what I think a lot of people refer
Speaker 2: to as demons, and she has different categories of the
Speaker 2: strength of these demons or entities, and so she has
Speaker 2: kind of her own language. So we get into that
Speaker 2: just a little bit on this episode. And she has
Speaker 2: an exciting announcement that you'll get to hear on this show,
Speaker 2: and I cannot wait for what she has in store
Speaker 2: for you. I would love to do a listener episode soon,
Speaker 2: so please send me your listener stories to ghosted by
Speaker 2: Roz at gmail dot com and put in the subject
Speaker 2: line listener episode. Okay, let's get to this conversation at
Speaker 2: the end of my conversation with her today in the
Speaker 2: little outro of the show, I have something that something
Speaker 2: insane that happens that I will share with you on
Speaker 2: the flip side. I'll see you over there at the
Speaker 2: at the outro, and I'll tell you about it because
Speaker 2: it relates to today's conversation. And next week's conversation. And
Speaker 2: if you want to hear a little bit more of
Speaker 2: my conversation with our h Stavis, go to my Patreon,
Speaker 2: Patreon dot com slash Hiles dress Flees on my second tier.
Speaker 2: I have a really interesting litle clip with her where
Speaker 2: I asked her about haunted dolls and past lives and
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and all that kind of stuff. We also talk
Speaker 2: about when she sees these entities on people, whether it's
Speaker 2: on TV or in person, what that's like for her.
Speaker 2: So we get into that as well. So go check
Speaker 2: that out. All right, here we go my conversation, this
Speaker 2: time with our h Stavis on with the show Oh
Speaker 2: My got you guys back by popular demand, I have
Speaker 2: got our ah stay here. Hello, Hello. I cannot tell
Speaker 2: you how many people after you were on my show,
Speaker 2: so many people have told me that they have read
Speaker 2: your book that they're now also obsessed with you. We
Speaker 2: love you over here at Ghosted Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I love you guys too. And your hands are.
Speaker 2: Amazing, Yeah, they really are. And some of them have
Speaker 2: been like I've heard from like one or two people
Speaker 2: that told me that they've reached out to you. I
Speaker 2: don't remember Oh wow, if they've necessarily had sessions or anything.
Speaker 2: Have you been doing sessions now that we're getting back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, like you know, for me, it's kind of
Speaker 1: been weird, like well for everyone, I guess, like the
Speaker 1: weirdest last year and a half.
Speaker 2: Well, I've read your book. I think things are always
Speaker 2: a little more weird for you than everyone else.
Speaker 1: Maybe slightly more weird because I'm saying some shit as
Speaker 1: all this shit goes down.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I I have done sessions here and there.
Speaker 1: It's so weird because like I never know because of
Speaker 1: my schedule so crazy, when I'll be able to do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm always like these could be the last ones,
Speaker 1: and then something opens up and I'm able to do it.
Speaker 1: So I've actually been doing them this month, just a
Speaker 1: little bit here and there, and I've had so many
Speaker 1: visitations because I started doing remote sessions again. Oh, the
Speaker 1: entities are wild, wild wild in summer.
Speaker 2: Really well, because I know you were telling me that
Speaker 2: you kind of have this. I can't remember if you said,
Speaker 2: like every six weeks or so, you have these moments
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of visitations from entities and stuff.
Speaker 2: Are you Are you in one of those right now.
Speaker 1: Well, like I call those bad moons because like like
Speaker 1: etheric perios, like you know, like they come like basically
Speaker 1: I get visitations from like sundown to sun up over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. So there's like no sleeping
Speaker 1: during those times.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I know.
Speaker 1: It happens less frequently if I'm not doing specific work
Speaker 1: with exorcism, So if I'm not actually performing exorcisms, I
Speaker 1: don't get them as much. But when I open myself
Speaker 1: up to remote cleansings again, it happens again. So I
Speaker 1: did have one of those, like three nights ago, and
Speaker 1: it was startling.
Speaker 2: Story tell us.
Speaker 1: So okay, so I had I don't remember all of them.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to remember all of them because you
Speaker 1: get so many visitations. But this is going to sound
Speaker 1: like the weirdest thing ever. Well, I guess it all does, Okay,
Speaker 1: talking to me, it sounds like the weirdest thing ever.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: You're in the right place. Don't worry the weird.
Speaker 1: I'm glad because I feel like that's my entire life story.
Speaker 1: So I have a treadmill. This is a weird way
Speaker 1: to start the story, but I have a treadmill, and
Speaker 1: I have gotten into running like in the last I
Speaker 1: don't know, five months, because it helps my brain kind
Speaker 1: of deal with all the stress of everything going on
Speaker 1: every day.
Speaker 3: And I'm not great at it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, like I'm not very fast or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but I try to do it pretty consistently.
Speaker 3: And I the other night went this all started happening.
Speaker 1: One of the ones that I remember very distinctoiiting was
Speaker 1: I was trying to sleep. This was like like four
Speaker 1: in the morning, so really late, like almost light. So
Speaker 1: at the end of the journey, like I was trying
Speaker 1: to sleep, and incomes this like and this is what
Speaker 1: this entity presented itself as, like a three and a
Speaker 1: half foot, very obese, bald, naked man just walked to
Speaker 1: the door of my bedroom. Yes, and it says to me,
Speaker 1: I just ran four miles. And I had two thoughts.
Speaker 1: The first one is that's not you're you're not a person, remember,
Speaker 1: but nice try because that's what they try to do
Speaker 1: is just like lull you into thinking this is just
Speaker 1: normal behavior. Then second, I was like, bitch, you did
Speaker 1: not run four miles. You're not like That made me angry.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not running four miles a day
Speaker 1: you did not, So I turned around and I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: And then of course it turns to you and the
Speaker 1: face like opens and there are like rows and rows
Speaker 1: of teeth. It's like exactly what you think it would
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I have to go through the trouble
Speaker 1: of getting it out and not waking people or dogs
Speaker 1: or cats or everything else in the house.
Speaker 2: So do you ever like when something like that happens,
Speaker 2: are you I mean, you've encountered so many of these
Speaker 2: entities over the years, but are you ever like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, asking them more questions or like, now, what's
Speaker 2: going on here? Who are you? What is this? Or
Speaker 2: are you just like get out of here?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't love when they're invading your space, right,
Speaker 1: So that's that's not like we don't have to sit
Speaker 1: down conversations at that point. So for me, like the
Speaker 1: visitations are all basically what they're trying to do is
Speaker 1: they're trying to get inside to see out, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like they're trying to understand it's not even malicious,
Speaker 1: really visitations. And I try to explain that to people
Speaker 1: who have sensitivities. It's not really malicious. They're just trying
Speaker 1: to pop in, if you will, to see through your
Speaker 1: eyes in a way to see how you see them,
Speaker 1: because they're not used to being.
Speaker 2: So they can't just go into a mirror like the
Speaker 2: rest of us.
Speaker 3: I mean, they can see themselves, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Actually never asked them that question, but
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not used to human beings seeing that.
Speaker 1: They're used to kind of walking under the radar and
Speaker 1: doing shit in the background, you know. So I think
Speaker 1: anytime that someone does or has a moment where they
Speaker 1: do because you know, people who have sensitivity sensitivities, excuse me,
Speaker 1: like they have moments here and there where they see
Speaker 1: shadows or this or that, you know, bit of them.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's hard to explain, like these are
Speaker 1: malevolent things that are actually not trying to be malevolent
Speaker 1: in that moment.
Speaker 2: How interesting they've got their own vulnerabilities they do.
Speaker 1: They actually do have quite a lot. You're actually so
Speaker 1: much stronger than they are, and they don't want people
Speaker 1: to find out.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just like any like living people
Speaker 2: that are you know, militious. It's like it's so obvious.
Speaker 2: It's like you've got something going on here that you
Speaker 2: need to deal with.
Speaker 1: It's so true, like I've always found, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, just an entertainment. Not to change the subject there,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of the same, right, like an entertainment.
Speaker 1: I've always found that people who were just making it
Speaker 1: big were always the people who were the worst to
Speaker 1: other people. And the people who are so big are
Speaker 1: the people who are the most generous and loving and wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's just like they don't have that anymore, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, God, And it's just too bad that you
Speaker 2: can't show those awful people away the way that you can,
Speaker 2: you know, I wish I could.
Speaker 1: Can you can tell them to talk off the same
Speaker 1: way I suppose, you know, humans.
Speaker 2: Don't listen as well, right, Well, So, okay, the last
Speaker 2: time I talked to you was in the fall, so
Speaker 2: it's been not quite a year. So I'm so curious
Speaker 2: about what a year is like in your world. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's probably been so many visitations and exorcisms and stuff,
Speaker 2: but I mean, how has it been.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been kind of rough, I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: like we talked about a little bit there, like for everybody.
Speaker 1: You know, we've had this crazy pandemic times and like
Speaker 1: you know, kind of moving in and out of that
Speaker 1: now and like having whatever the new normalists, And I
Speaker 1: think people have just been so on edge, like so
Speaker 1: on edge about everything. Like I feel like the world
Speaker 1: has so much more anxiety right now. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if everybody feels it, but I feel it all
Speaker 1: the time, and it makes me crazy. And so there's
Speaker 1: a lot more activity with entity, Like there's just a lot.
Speaker 1: And summer is the worst. It's the worst time for entity,
Speaker 1: like I mean, the best time for them, worst time
Speaker 1: for us because the heat makes people really angry. Oh
Speaker 1: it's so true. And like I'm a person who will
Speaker 1: tell you right away, like summer is my least favorite season.
Speaker 1: I don't like heat. I don't like a lot of
Speaker 1: things about's Like I don't like how bright it is,
Speaker 1: like the vampire, Like I don't like any of those.
Speaker 3: But there are people who think they love summer and
Speaker 3: they're lying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now that they're lying because
Speaker 1: they say they love summer and they may have like
Speaker 1: nostalgic feelings for summer, Like I think people have that
Speaker 1: because of school and when they were out of school
Speaker 1: and you know, if they went they live in places
Speaker 1: with big seasons and stuff like that. But the energy
Speaker 1: does not lie, and the energy is bad. Like people
Speaker 1: are very much more more angry, they have like shorter
Speaker 1: views all of that stuff in summer, and summer tends
Speaker 1: to be more stagnant, you know, energetically. People feel blocked.
Speaker 1: They feel you know, they're not moving much, you know
Speaker 1: in terms of like career and like love life and
Speaker 1: all the things kind of shut down just a little bit.
Speaker 1: And again that's not for everybody. That's just overall, so
Speaker 1: the entity is have a great time in summer because
Speaker 1: this is the time that they come out and play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've also I've noticed that with this weird historical
Speaker 2: time that we're in right now, after the you know,
Speaker 2: I keep catching myself saying, like, now that the pandemic's over,
Speaker 2: which obviously it isn't bad, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like now that people are vaxed and they're like going
Speaker 2: out and doing things. I have been on stage a
Speaker 2: lot lately, and I've encountered so much messiness, you know,
Speaker 2: so many people that don't really know how to be
Speaker 2: back into the world right now, and I'm curious if
Speaker 2: that would that kind of maybe reckless behavior and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're free, We're going to be crazy. Like is that
Speaker 2: something that that entities can be attracted to? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're looking at low frequency.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like you're not right because people
Speaker 1: are like yeah, I'm oh, it's so great. But underneath that,
Speaker 1: people really have not had time to deal with the
Speaker 1: trauma of this. This was at a massive, giant trauma
Speaker 1: for people and on a massive global scale, and it's
Speaker 1: still happening, and so I think people are not they're
Speaker 1: trying to like every other trauma people have when they
Speaker 1: just don't know how to deal with things because we're not, again,
Speaker 1: taught how to do this. We just stuff a lot
Speaker 1: trauma down and keep going, you know, and we're taught
Speaker 1: that to get over things, to move on and get
Speaker 1: over things. But you know, as I always say, there's
Speaker 1: no such thing as that you have to move through something.
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're just trying to step over it,
Speaker 1: it's it's not going anywhere. So people are going out,
Speaker 1: they're trying to be reckless, they want to catch up,
Speaker 1: they're trying to stuff that trauma down by doing all
Speaker 1: the things that they didn't get to do for like
Speaker 1: a year in a night.
Speaker 3: So you know, you're if you're like.
Speaker 1: Trying to drink a year's worth of keep in one night,
Speaker 1: it's going to be problematic and you're gonna be messing right.
Speaker 2: Oh god. Well, you know it's another thing that since
Speaker 2: I've talked to you, there's been some some like demon news.
Speaker 2: I don't know, U, there's been Uh, there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of talk about the Conjuring movie that recently came out.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with that case at all?
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh yeah, I'm all about like all the Warrens cases.
Speaker 2: So shoot, yeah, I was just curious your take on
Speaker 2: that because it's like this whole story of this man,
Speaker 2: Arnie Johnson that committed a murder and said that the
Speaker 2: devil made him do it. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Is that true in your eyes? Or is it a
Speaker 2: possible thing?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean we have a lot more than
Speaker 1: that too, Like we have them, but we have a
Speaker 1: lot of murders that people those are very famous, right,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of murders that happened where
Speaker 1: people are on death where they talk about how they
Speaker 1: heard voices and they had all this, you know, telling
Speaker 1: them what to do, and a lot of people pass
Speaker 1: that off as either just mental illness or a made
Speaker 1: up story, right, trying to get them out of whatever
Speaker 1: they've done.
Speaker 3: And to a certain degree, I'm sure that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are plenty of people who've done that
Speaker 1: or certainly have mental illness a man, you know, very likely.
Speaker 1: But there is also, in my world at least the
Speaker 1: giant possibility that they have. So they heard voices and
Speaker 1: we're told what to do. I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 1: how high you know, high end endit works, as we've
Speaker 1: talked about before, and like in the book and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, there are many different types of entities and
Speaker 1: some are more common than others, and some are looking
Speaker 1: for world changers, you know, and the more malignant and
Speaker 1: intelligent they get, the higher they're looking for. And so
Speaker 1: those are the ones that are looking for people they
Speaker 1: can manipulate. But I should say that it's very hard
Speaker 1: to manipulate someone who isn't already heading in that direction.
Speaker 1: Does that make.
Speaker 2: Sense, right, because with that case, so, I mean allegedly,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say, but you know, the
Speaker 2: a young boy was being possessed and his I want
Speaker 2: to say, I always mess this up, but I think
Speaker 2: it was his sister's boyfriend was like, hey, demon, like
Speaker 2: get out of the little boy and get into me,
Speaker 2: and then he became possessed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that part of the story for
Speaker 1: me from my experience, and I've had a lot of
Speaker 1: years of experience. We don't need to talk about how many.
Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about how old. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but many, let's just say many years, thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of people. It's very unlikely. You know. That's a thing
Speaker 1: that we show in movies all the time that drives
Speaker 1: me kind of bananas because they that's like a trope
Speaker 1: we rely on as storytellers for horror and possession that
Speaker 1: they can move from person to person to person in
Speaker 1: the brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has a moment of that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really work that way.
Speaker 1: And I should also say that on occasion it can,
Speaker 1: so I'll go through that, but most of the time
Speaker 1: it cannot do that because how entity works as it's
Speaker 1: working on a trauma basis, it's looking for low frequency
Speaker 1: and it's looking for a low frequency pattern that it
Speaker 1: can attach to, and not everybody has the same pattern,
Speaker 1: so it's unlikely that someone in the room would have
Speaker 1: the exact same signature energetic signature to attached to. However,
Speaker 1: there are some cases where you know, what I call
Speaker 1: realm walkers, which is like the biggest of bad, the
Speaker 1: most intelligent, like what people think is the devil, but
Speaker 1: it's not. There are more than there's more than one
Speaker 1: and more than one on this planet. Those are the
Speaker 1: kinds that could for a moment move into someone else
Speaker 1: if they wanted to, But it wouldn't stay unless I
Speaker 1: thought that that was like unless that was the end goal,
Speaker 1: which I guess this story could be that.
Speaker 2: But according to the warrants, I don't know how they
Speaker 2: figured this out, but they believed that there were like
Speaker 2: forty three demons or something that they encountered from the
Speaker 2: exorcism and stuff.
Speaker 1: So that's, uh, that's a lot because entities don't like
Speaker 1: to share, and so most will will essentially cannibalize the
Speaker 1: others God, so you know, it's that's more than one entity.
Speaker 1: That's such as such a thing that people say like
Speaker 1: just they're like, yeah, I have forty thousand entities. I'm
Speaker 1: sure I have forty thousand entities and it's like no
Speaker 1: yah one, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's true usually for places too, of a place.
Speaker 1: If a place is held by entity, let's just say
Speaker 1: that that going back into the story even further, it
Speaker 1: was the space, which it wasn't, but let's just say
Speaker 1: it's the space, right, the space is where the problem is.
Speaker 1: And in a way it was because I remember that movie.
Speaker 1: But let's say it was the space. Even the space,
Speaker 1: like to hold a space needs an entity that's on
Speaker 1: the higher end of scale, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: share with other entities.
Speaker 3: It's just not going to happen. They're very possessive.
Speaker 2: Well, but I mean do they So let's say there's like,
Speaker 2: you know, one of these high end which makes it
Speaker 2: sound like they're fancy or something. But when these high
Speaker 2: end demons or entities is like in a house and
Speaker 2: there's like another like up and coming kind of demon
Speaker 2: trying to you know, trying to make its way up,
Speaker 2: and they cannibalize it, they eat it or whatever, they
Speaker 2: destroy it, does that make the high end one more powerful?
Speaker 1: No? No, because the higher end ones are already kind
Speaker 1: of they already have the power of everything that's lower.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how it works. Like we have
Speaker 1: the lowest on the totem pole, which I call it
Speaker 1: five because it looks like a Clive Barker drawing to
Speaker 1: me anyway, And that's the one that most people carry,
Speaker 1: you know, And I know we've talked about this. I
Speaker 1: won't get into it crazy, but like you know, it's
Speaker 1: what most people have. Those are kind of the leeches
Speaker 1: of the entity world, and people can kind of slough
Speaker 1: them off. They get better and higher frequency and don't
Speaker 1: even know they had them. And those are the ones
Speaker 1: that are like if you're mad, you have rage, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're depressed or side. I'll just kind of amplifize
Speaker 1: everything all the way up to that rum walker and
Speaker 1: that realm walker can take up spaces, can take up people,
Speaker 1: can lure people from other countries, states, everywhere, and it
Speaker 1: has such a pull and such a range. You can
Speaker 1: control multiple people at once, I mean, just a lot
Speaker 1: of things. So it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Really make it more than any kind of stronger.
Speaker 1: It just gets rid of them.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the Warrens?
Speaker 3: You know, should I say, I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 3: a huge fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we talked about them on here, and
Speaker 2: this is what I come to the conclusion of is
Speaker 2: you know their trail They were trailblazers in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. And I think that a lot of times,
Speaker 2: when you're doing something that a lot of people haven't
Speaker 2: done yet, you're going to, like, you know, make mistakes
Speaker 2: or make your own conclusions or whatever. And so I
Speaker 2: think that when people have a lot of criticism of them,
Speaker 2: it has to do with the But I do. I
Speaker 2: have a lot of respect for them for the work
Speaker 2: that they've done. But I do understand where a lot
Speaker 2: of things that they've done it's kind of been it's
Speaker 2: kind of like I don't know if that was a
Speaker 2: good thing to do or say, or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit dicey. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me, right because I I have a much
Speaker 1: different approach than they ever did. But also, like, my
Speaker 1: concern is always always always for the people involved, not
Speaker 1: to say that there wasn't, but I wouldn't be trying
Speaker 1: a bunch of things I don't understand or know about
Speaker 1: to potentially make things worse. So my goal is always
Speaker 1: for the safety of the people involved or the space
Speaker 1: involved with people inside you know, and even when I
Speaker 1: go to exercise spaces, I have a lot of things
Speaker 1: that I expect of other people in the space, and
Speaker 1: most of the time it is that I won't be
Speaker 1: there during that time because I feel responsible for them
Speaker 1: and I don't. I cannot be responsible for someone getting hurt,
Speaker 1: you know, in any way that's kind of my thing.
Speaker 1: So it's rough for me because I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of the times that they did these things, they
Speaker 1: made things worse, and you know that's hard.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, I don't know that they would
Speaker 3: love me.
Speaker 2: So much, right, Yeah, I mean, well, it is kind
Speaker 2: of interesting with like these film series because from the
Speaker 2: people that I've talked to that have worked with them,
Speaker 2: it's kind of I mean, it's like with any time
Speaker 2: there's like these autobiographical or sorry biographical type shows where
Speaker 2: or movies where it's it's like that's not really exactly
Speaker 2: the happy ending, but we're doing a movie here, so
Speaker 2: we're going to keep it going, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's a lot of times I think that
Speaker 2: the outcomes weren't the exact same as you see in
Speaker 2: the movies.
Speaker 1: No, of course, I mean, you can't write you can't
Speaker 1: you can't just be like and then they got worse
Speaker 1: when they left, you know, and then very movie fodder.
Speaker 1: And also like they make them so endearing and lovable
Speaker 1: and wonderful in the movies, like you would just watch
Speaker 1: them for them, you know, for the fictional Warrens. You know,
Speaker 1: like the fictional Warrens are so tremendous and you can,
Speaker 1: you know, like exercise demons with the power of marriage
Speaker 1: and it's really lovely. And you know that's not how
Speaker 1: it actually works, and I know that for fact, but
Speaker 1: it's still fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, and I love Mega. Okay. Well,
Speaker 2: another thing that has happened since the last time I
Speaker 2: talked to you is there's been more talk of the
Speaker 2: Cecil Hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's gotten a couple of TV specials. And
Speaker 2: I always feel like the Cecil Hotel was like a
Speaker 2: thing that us LA weirdos like we're obsessed with, and
Speaker 2: that like the Internet really got into it. And now
Speaker 2: it's like that place is full blown, like join the
Speaker 2: ranks of like an Amneyville or whatever. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like one of these like the most famous haunted or
Speaker 2: spooky places in the country. But yeah, did you watch
Speaker 2: the specials that have happened?
Speaker 1: I was interviewed actually for the cecil Docus series on Netflix,
Speaker 1: but they didn't use what I said because I think
Speaker 1: they were going for, you know, more of a situation
Speaker 1: where it was about mental illness and trauma, and you know,
Speaker 1: I have feelings about that.
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I understand that, but that okay, that
Speaker 2: documentary series they explored a lot of different options, and
Speaker 2: I was a little annoyed that they didn't entertain that
Speaker 2: because that is such a huge part of like, you know,
Speaker 2: the spiritual haunted whatever. That side of it is a
Speaker 2: huge part of this conversation. And when they were talking
Speaker 2: about all the Internet stuff and the death metal guy
Speaker 2: and like all that kind of stuff, like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: an aspect of this story with the Internet, and a
Speaker 2: huge part of the Internet story with it is that
Speaker 2: it's you know, haunted and what's going on with the
Speaker 2: video and these photos that have been taken and whatever.
Speaker 2: So I didn't I didn't like that, but I understand
Speaker 2: why they sometimes don't have that stuff in because it
Speaker 2: it you know, I don't know change. It's the same
Speaker 2: reason why they dismiss the Devil made me do it
Speaker 2: in court where they're like, no, that's a whole different
Speaker 2: kind of a territory we don't want to get into,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, and like here's the thing, And I actually said
Speaker 1: this in my interview which no one will ever see,
Speaker 1: but I did say, you know, if if I could,
Speaker 1: I could go along with that journey and that idea
Speaker 1: that it's, you know, just a tragic situation in tragic story.
Speaker 1: Agree if it was the only one associated to this place,
Speaker 1: but it's not.
Speaker 3: It's one of so so many, so many.
Speaker 1: That people know about that date that date back until
Speaker 1: you know, basically when that place was built and then
Speaker 1: to meet for me before that. But also there are
Speaker 1: hundreds of stories that went on in that space that
Speaker 1: are not famous that people don't know about, that are
Speaker 1: private stories. Like if you live in Los Angeles, you
Speaker 1: know someone who's been affected by that place. God, you
Speaker 1: know some story in that place and it's not a
Speaker 1: it's not a public story. You're not going to share it.
Speaker 1: You know, you're not going to say it now, like
Speaker 1: you just know, oh, I know this person who was
Speaker 1: assaulted in this place or attacked in this place, or
Speaker 1: something happened that was supernatural in this place or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a well known fact for people
Speaker 1: who live here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh man, I'm so mad that you weren't in it.
Speaker 1: I'm not, though, because I'm going to get to do
Speaker 1: what I want to do.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? Okay, we've talked about
Speaker 2: how you want, like it is a big goal for
Speaker 2: you to get in there. Any news on.
Speaker 1: That, well, okay, So I you know in my book,
Speaker 1: that was like a whole chapter, you know, the Cecil
Speaker 1: Hotel and how I feel about the Cecil Hotel and
Speaker 1: how I cannot wait to get my hands on the
Speaker 1: Ceacial Hotel, which is, to be fair, a very large space.
Speaker 1: I don't know how people how much people are familiar
Speaker 1: with it, but it's a huge, huge space. And when
Speaker 1: you go in and do a cleansing like that would need,
Speaker 1: there's no stone unturned, so you would have to be
Speaker 1: there from start to finish the entire space. There's no like,
Speaker 1: you can't just sit in a lobby and do your thing.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to go through everything.
Speaker 3: So I felt like, you know, I could use a little.
Speaker 1: Practice before I go through thirteen floors and you know,
Speaker 1: eight million square feet so there are other places too
Speaker 1: that I'm very interested in exercising that it can't disclose
Speaker 1: just yet. But there are many places you know on
Speaker 1: the planet that have dark histories very similar to this,
Speaker 1: and not all of them less and some of them
Speaker 1: are just traumatized faces. Right, That's not necessarily where an
Speaker 1: entity is. So I can't say it's like every place
Speaker 1: that you know of that have this, like mass tragedy
Speaker 1: is entity. But there are places on the Earth that are.
Speaker 1: And my goal is to start setting out to those
Speaker 1: places and exercising those places to help kind of, you.
Speaker 3: Know, not to be cliche, right, but to help kind
Speaker 3: of make the world a better place.
Speaker 1: And that is my goal. And now I am starting
Speaker 1: to do that. So I'm very excited, and I can't
Speaker 1: talk too much about it about one of those things
Speaker 1: that's going to be happening soon, and I believe you're
Speaker 1: going to get to see it on your TV's around Halloween.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: That brings up, Okay, a bunch of questions just generally
Speaker 2: about this concept. So how explain how it's different to
Speaker 2: exercise a building as opposed to a human, so, you know,
Speaker 2: like with.
Speaker 1: A person it's a one on one, very private situation.
Speaker 1: You know, there's an attachment with a person. And again,
Speaker 1: like most of the time people you see or people
Speaker 1: I see, I should say, you know, they have kind
Speaker 1: of you know, the more normal style attachments. They have clives,
Speaker 1: you know, which we talked about. They have tricksters and
Speaker 1: tricksters just just for reference. Again, like I said, I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about this, but tricksters are the ones
Speaker 1: that kind of show themselves to children as imaginary friends
Speaker 1: or you know, arcangels or deceased people or whatever. And
Speaker 1: before people ask this, you can tell the difference by
Speaker 1: how it feels, because they're going to be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I saw de say this person. Is that a fentency
Speaker 1: or is that my grandma? No, it depends on how
Speaker 1: it feels. So, you know, they have tricksters that they've
Speaker 1: carried for a while. They have rates, which are the
Speaker 1: entities that are attached to you know, sexual violence, molestation, rape.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately there are a lot of people with that
Speaker 1: as well, and so those are like kind of the
Speaker 1: ones that I see all the time. Not everybody has
Speaker 1: the big guys. The big guys are the ones that
Speaker 1: take spaces so you know, most of the time, when
Speaker 1: I'm working on one person, it's it's I don't want
Speaker 1: to say, easier for me, for common play for me.
Speaker 1: And then when you're working in spaces, it's a bigger
Speaker 1: it's a bigger issue because you, like I say, I
Speaker 1: have to go through the entire space. There's not one
Speaker 1: place that you don't go. So it's a very long,
Speaker 1: arduous kind of more tedious, more energetically draining situation.
Speaker 2: God, that sounds so exhausting.
Speaker 1: My whole life is tired.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, well, because I know you've talked
Speaker 2: about how the Cecil has like the biggest of the
Speaker 2: big right when it comes to entity, Yes for sure.
Speaker 2: So are there other places that have that big that
Speaker 2: you know of?
Speaker 1: Yes? And those are the places I'm interested in going after,
Speaker 1: you know, with my own show. Those are the ones
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be hitting pretty hard. The ones.
Speaker 1: The one that you're going to see hopefully for the
Speaker 1: Spooky season is a little step down from that, so
Speaker 1: it's not quite that, but the ones that I'm going
Speaker 1: to be tackling next I think we'll all be that.
Speaker 2: What's like that that you're allowed to talk about? What
Speaker 2: is like a building that you have encountered that has
Speaker 2: like something something big and you've gotten it out of there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done it a few times now. So
Speaker 1: most buildings they have what I call collectors. So collectors
Speaker 1: are like second down right from from the realm, from
Speaker 1: the big guy, and collectors what they do and I
Speaker 1: think we went over this back, I can't remember, so
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it again. Collectors they like
Speaker 1: to go to a place that has mass trauma, where
Speaker 1: something happened where a lot of people, you know, essentially passed,
Speaker 1: and they like to use the deceased people who are
Speaker 1: trapped in the space. And by trapped, I mean, let
Speaker 1: me just clarify that they don't think they can move on.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they can't, but they're convinced that
Speaker 1: they can't. So the collector will use the deceased people
Speaker 1: like like batteries, essentially to scare the living people that
Speaker 1: come through there and then use the living people's energy.
Speaker 1: That's kind of complicated, but does.
Speaker 2: That mean okay, okay, okay, So it's.
Speaker 1: Kind of in control of the deceased people, got it.
Speaker 2: So when you go to these places, are you like,
Speaker 2: are you ever like, Oh, that's just a deceased person.
Speaker 2: Never mind, Like I'll just leave, Like do you leave
Speaker 2: it alone or are you? Like what are you doing that?
Speaker 1: Well, So there's a difference, right between something that's haunted
Speaker 1: versus something that has entity, So disease people an entity
Speaker 1: very different, Like entity is what people think are demons
Speaker 1: or considered demons or demonic, not they've never been people
Speaker 1: and then decease people or decease people. So you know,
Speaker 1: when people say they have a haunt, like a house
Speaker 1: with a demon in it, usually I'm like, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: probably not the case. There'd have to be some very
Speaker 1: special situation going on for an entity to sit in
Speaker 1: a house, so it's usually just a haunted house, you know,
Speaker 1: like deceased people hanging out. So what I try to
Speaker 1: do with if I find a place like that, for example,
Speaker 1: what I try to do is I try to teach
Speaker 1: people how to interact with the deceased.
Speaker 3: Person so they can find out what they're there for.
Speaker 1: Because there's usually a reason why someone's hanging out. But
Speaker 1: sometimes on occasion it's something like this right where you
Speaker 1: have to deal with the collector and when you have
Speaker 1: to deal with the collector, they have a whole army
Speaker 1: of like disease people in front of them, and so
Speaker 1: to get to the collectors, the collector and its energy
Speaker 1: is the diseased people. So when I have that situation,
Speaker 1: what I like to do is go through and release
Speaker 1: the deceased people first. And but I do all I
Speaker 1: do for that is having conversation with them, finding out
Speaker 1: why they think they're trapped and what's going on, and
Speaker 1: you know, convincing them otherwise, And so that takes its
Speaker 1: own time before you can even start working on the NC.
Speaker 2: What about I mean, have you encountered deceased people that
Speaker 2: are like, I'm a ghost and I like it and
Speaker 2: I'm good here.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because decease people don't shut up. That's
Speaker 1: another difference between entity and disease people. It's like entity
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be seen. These people are like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: you can see me. I've got so much to say.
Speaker 1: So disease people are very chatty and they want to
Speaker 1: be around people, and they want to help people for
Speaker 1: the most part, unless they were like really shitty people,
Speaker 1: which is you know sometimes happens. But yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to leave house. They just want to have.
Speaker 2: Communicated because the part I wonder about with like EVPs
Speaker 2: or like when people say that they've seen like a
Speaker 2: demon or or some kind of non human creature in
Speaker 2: their home, I mean, does that is that? What is
Speaker 2: that the same thing that you can see, or is that,
Speaker 2: you know, manifested in a different way, or what it?
Speaker 2: What is going on there when they because you know,
Speaker 2: I hear a lot of EVPs and and a lot
Speaker 2: of times it's like a demon is saying this thing.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that that's typically just a deceased person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the time, I do. I think it is.
Speaker 3: I mean special circumstances.
Speaker 1: If it's not. And that's not to say it never happens,
Speaker 1: Like I say, I mean, you can have a house
Speaker 1: that's in a very weird, energetic place, or something very
Speaker 1: important happen or will be happening there and teacrop wind of.
Speaker 3: That, so that could be there. You know, I can't
Speaker 3: say never.
Speaker 1: But you know, as far as people seeing things, there
Speaker 1: are entities that just pass through too. So sometimes I
Speaker 1: think people kind of get a glimpse of their own
Speaker 1: momentary abilities that they've kind of shut down a bit,
Speaker 1: and so maybe they caught this or that, or maybe
Speaker 1: something wanted to show itself for a second and then disappear.
Speaker 1: But we do have entities that have nothing to do
Speaker 1: with humans that are just passing through.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to talk about this other big exciting
Speaker 2: announcement that you have going on. Tell us what's God?
Speaker 2: Tell us as much as you can say.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I think you're talking about the show. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So for people who have watched Posies, I have gotten
Speaker 3: a question.
Speaker 1: So Posey's is the short film that I wrote and
Speaker 1: co directed with my partner Kate Fisher, and so we've
Speaker 1: had it kind of making the festival rounds. We finished
Speaker 1: Posy's right before the pandemic started, basically, and did all
Speaker 1: of everything during twenty twenty, which was uts, like all
Speaker 1: of the post and everything. And so we're finally getting
Speaker 1: into festivals and it's being enjoyed and some of you
Speaker 1: guys have been watching it, and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I got to see. I highly enjose it. It is.
Speaker 2: It is beautiful. It is kind of disturbing. I mean
Speaker 2: it is disturbing at times, but it's beautifully done. It's
Speaker 2: just it's so cool.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that because like, for me, the only
Speaker 1: thing I really want to make is like beautiful horror,
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful body horror, which is not usually together.
Speaker 1: We don't usually see those two terms together, like the
Speaker 1: very very visceral and very gory, which this is not,
Speaker 1: but where I'm moving into is and so you see
Speaker 1: that and it's like a gore fest and that's how
Speaker 1: people usually directed. But what I want is to make
Speaker 1: it obscenely gorgeous so that you really just can't look
Speaker 1: away at the same time that it's very very troublesome.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that That's exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we so long story short, like people have
Speaker 1: asked because they've now been watching the film and it's
Speaker 1: available to see and will be more available by the
Speaker 1: available in August, that my executive producer is Pamela Adlin,
Speaker 1: and so people are been asking like, well, how did
Speaker 1: that happen? What's going on?
Speaker 2: And so well, if anyone doesn't know who Pamela Adline is, like,
Speaker 2: first of all, Googler, because you know who she is.
Speaker 2: She is, she's amazing, She's been acting for a long
Speaker 2: time and producing. Also she's the voice of Bobby Hill
Speaker 2: from from UH, The Sing of the Hill. She's just
Speaker 2: the greatest.
Speaker 1: My favorite animated van. Yeah, you can have a favorite
Speaker 1: animate advent. So yeah, So people have been asked like,
Speaker 1: how did that happen? And it's because about two years
Speaker 1: ago we met each other because my book Sister Arts,
Speaker 1: who hopefully a lot of people have read. I hope,
Speaker 1: so I hope, So you know, was going out for
Speaker 1: television and very long story short, she was loving it.
Speaker 1: And now we are making a show for a series
Speaker 1: for FX, which is very exciting and she is just the.
Speaker 3: Greatest, amazing writer, amazing partner.
Speaker 1: Because executive producer, like everything, and and I should add
Speaker 1: too that we're also partnered with Bellatrist, the lovely Emma
Speaker 1: Roberts Company, and they are wonderful as well. And so
Speaker 1: it's been a really fabulous experience and we're really excited
Speaker 1: to bring this UH to you. But during this process,
Speaker 1: it's when Posey's finally finished and she like, I really
Speaker 1: like to watch it, and she watched it and turns
Speaker 1: out she loved it as well. And now she's also
Speaker 1: on board or her company is on board to help
Speaker 1: produce Wires, which is the feature script that we are
Speaker 1: now moving forward with in terms of funding and everything,
Speaker 1: which Posey's was kind of not a proof of concept
Speaker 1: work because it's its own thing, but just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, the short to make sure we could do
Speaker 1: all the things that we wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how do you have the time to
Speaker 2: be even talking to me. I'm so honored.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Oh my goodness, I love talking to you.
Speaker 2: So the TV series is it pretty much like you know,
Speaker 2: this cool Exorcist and her adventures or.
Speaker 1: What I mean? Yeah, I think we're trying to do that,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: ways you could take my story right, Like, it could
Speaker 1: be like fantastical, it would be really grounded. It could
Speaker 1: be like a messy because I'm pretty messy. It could
Speaker 1: be a lot of things. And Hannah is really fabulous
Speaker 1: because as you know, I'm sure you've seen and watched
Speaker 1: better things. I'm sure a lot of people, yes, And
Speaker 1: it's such a wonderful, brilliant show. And she's such a
Speaker 1: first of all, such a great person, but also such
Speaker 1: a vulnerable person who's not afraid to be vulnerable, and
Speaker 1: she shows people who she is, and that's one thing
Speaker 1: that I was so impressed with when I met her.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I was so like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I have to work with her is because
Speaker 1: she really is exactly who you hope and think she is.
Speaker 3: And I think the reason why is because she is
Speaker 3: so bold in the way that she writes things for herself.
Speaker 3: And so when we started writing, I think personally like
Speaker 3: I was a little afraid to go there, you know,
Speaker 3: because I have a lot of weird stuff about my past.
Speaker 1: That I don't really disclose. Like in my book, I
Speaker 1: do talk about like my mother was a malignant narcissist
Speaker 1: and killed herself with prescription drugs, and it's just like
Speaker 1: a whole I have a whole lot of trauma in
Speaker 1: my background, you know. And so when I write, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, writing the story, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the place that was like the
Speaker 1: grossest place for me. Do you know what I mean
Speaker 1: by that, Like the place that was like, oh, it
Speaker 1: makes me feel sick to write that, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, that's what we got to do.
Speaker 1: We got to write that. And then I put it
Speaker 1: down on paper and I would be like, oh, my god, No,
Speaker 1: that's totally right. It's totally right. Like you have to
Speaker 1: share your whole self, you have to expose your whole self,
Speaker 1: and that's an incredible lesson. But I'm still still still
Speaker 1: struggling with that that. Thank goodness, I have such a
Speaker 1: powerhouse to work with who does it all the time.
Speaker 1: Was like, no, does that make you want of art?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to do that totally. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that this is going to be so good. I mean
Speaker 2: when you wrote book, did you feel that way? Did
Speaker 2: you feel like, like, oh, this is so weird to
Speaker 2: be sharing this or yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I did, And you know, I had never been public
Speaker 1: before that book ever, And still I still consider myself
Speaker 1: kind of not not yet, Like it's sort of happening,
Speaker 1: but I'm not like in a weird place yet for
Speaker 1: the most part.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it was really weird for me to.
Speaker 1: Every week just kind of go through like the therapy
Speaker 1: sessions of my life to put in a book for
Speaker 1: like everybody to read.
Speaker 3: And like, if you thought that was vulnerable, this.
Speaker 1: Is like a thousand times words.
Speaker 2: But isn't it so freeting to get that out there?
Speaker 1: It is like I.
Speaker 3: Never thought it would be but you know, like writing
Speaker 3: a scene.
Speaker 1: There's a specific scene that we wrote that is about
Speaker 1: something very traumatic that happened to me, like as a baby,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I write that and I've never
Speaker 1: even talked about that before, and I can't say what
Speaker 1: it is obviously because it's in an episode, but you know,
Speaker 1: like I wrote it and I was like, I'm literally
Speaker 1: writing the story of what happened to me when I
Speaker 1: couldn't even speak or think basically, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm doing that, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you're you're most vulnerable, like weird shit
Speaker 1: about you that you're just like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: am writing this now for people to see. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really strange, but yes, it is extremely freeing because once
Speaker 1: it's done, you're like, oh wow, that happened.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, So what are what's what's the plan
Speaker 2: with the show as of right now?
Speaker 1: We are in the ring stages right now, so we
Speaker 1: are kind of getting episodes together and creating something amazing
Speaker 1: to show you guys and hopefully hopefully finger all fingers
Speaker 1: all across. We're starting to get going next year.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I hope you can come back when when you can
Speaker 2: talk more about all.
Speaker 1: I'm still like half specret.
Speaker 2: So now it's okay. I'm so happy to hear even
Speaker 2: this news. I know a lot of people will be
Speaker 2: happy as well.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. Yeah, I'm pretty psyched. I'm really psyched.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to be doing this and with such
Speaker 1: a great network. And you know, we're really trying to
Speaker 1: make something that is interesting and different, and I hope
Speaker 1: that we do. I hope that it comes to Well,
Speaker 1: you just.
Speaker 2: Have like such a unique skill and you have this
Speaker 2: is something I've talked about when I've when you've come
Speaker 2: up where I'm like, you, guys, I really don't think
Speaker 2: she's lying about this. I really think it's real. And
Speaker 2: and that's like, you know, I'm a skeptical person in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, but you have you are a
Speaker 2: such a unique case where it's like there's enough reason,
Speaker 2: I feel to believe that what you're talking about is legit,
Speaker 2: and there's enough people that can co sign for that,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's kind of rare that you meet
Speaker 2: somebody with with all of like, you know, all of
Speaker 2: these things in one package. You know, well, I just.
Speaker 1: Think, you know, like I just tell it as I
Speaker 1: see it, you know, like I'm not trying to start
Speaker 1: a church or convert anybody, and like I have no
Speaker 1: interest in making you believe something you don't want to believe. Right,
Speaker 1: this doesn't matter. And I always say, you know when
Speaker 1: people ask me, like because they don't. I see entity
Speaker 1: with my eyes, right, So that's not a normal thing
Speaker 1: for people, which you know, for many years of my
Speaker 1: childhood I didn't know. So I spoke about it until
Speaker 1: I've got that makes you a nutcase, so you don't
Speaker 1: talk about it anymore for many many years of my life.
Speaker 1: And then later on was like, fuck it, this is
Speaker 1: who I am. I'm not integrated, you know. I got
Speaker 1: to be who I am. And so that's really why
Speaker 1: it came about. It's not it, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's basically like this, like not everybody sees entity the
Speaker 1: way that I do. Like you see the effects of
Speaker 1: entity every day every single day. You know, that's the truth.
Speaker 1: And whether you want to believe it or you don't
Speaker 1: doesn't change my work. I still have to keep doing
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. You know, it doesn't matter, Like if
Speaker 1: you don't believe an entity. It doesn't make any difference.
Speaker 1: Entity is still gonnat touch they rather you don't.
Speaker 2: Have you encountered another living human being that has a
Speaker 2: similar ability as you?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard to say yes or
Speaker 1: no really because like Shamans, for example, have been working
Speaker 1: with entities since the dawn of time, right, so shamans
Speaker 1: tend to do you know, energy removals and things like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, there are different healers who do different
Speaker 1: modalities like clearing fields and all kinds of stuff. I've
Speaker 1: never met anyone who is who has the site that
Speaker 1: I do, but it doesn't mean they don't have something
Speaker 1: else that's their own, you know, because like different healers
Speaker 1: have diff things, like there are people who can like
Speaker 1: heal people physically energetically, like physically physically, like they can
Speaker 1: do surgeries. We're all kind of born with our own,
Speaker 1: our own stuff.
Speaker 3: And there are so many more people who have abilities
Speaker 3: and gifts that they've just stifled down.
Speaker 1: And you don't even know you have.
Speaker 2: Remind me, do you have other you know, quote unquote
Speaker 2: psychic abilities of you know, can you see the future?
Speaker 2: Can you see you know? I don't know, do you
Speaker 2: have anything else.
Speaker 1: Not really, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I you know, I can do some mediumship. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that's like my forte. But in dealing with things
Speaker 1: like collectors and stuff, you have to learn, but you know,
Speaker 1: and occasionally, like I haven't done these in so many years,
Speaker 1: but like I do seances for my friends once in
Speaker 1: a blue moon in my like backyard, I have like
Speaker 1: a party, and I do like a platform experience, which
Speaker 1: is basically like when I when I medium kind of stands,
Speaker 1: you know, on a stage or whatever, and and things
Speaker 1: just people just come in and they just say this
Speaker 1: is what's coming in. And then people you know, respond
Speaker 1: or don't respond.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how do I get on the guest list?
Speaker 2: You're on the guests Oh my god, I want to come.
Speaker 2: That sounds so cool.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to do another one.
Speaker 3: It's been like, obviously quite more than a year.
Speaker 1: The last one I did was when Refinery did a
Speaker 1: video and I don't remember how much they show of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's like my my only other gift
Speaker 1: if you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, can I up a lot of my time?
Speaker 1: Let's just say it sounds like.
Speaker 2: What limited time you have with all these projects? Can
Speaker 2: I play some ghost voices?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, please?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for ev or evase.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So this first one is from someone named t one
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Okay, and this is uh the basement of
Speaker 2: the Memorial Auditorium in Wellington, Kansas. Ooh, okay, what do
Speaker 2: you hear? Okay? Like always, there's like a lot of
Speaker 2: background kind of noise, but there's like a whisper speaking.
Speaker 2: I'll play it again, okay. Ooh do you hear something?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: First of all, does it sound like a demon or
Speaker 2: a human?
Speaker 1: I mean, to cease people?
Speaker 3: Hard to tell. And I'll tell you why that is.
Speaker 1: Because decease people they move at a different frequency or
Speaker 1: a different vibration than we do. They're very very fast moving,
Speaker 1: and so when when they speak, like if they speak,
Speaker 1: if you actually catch it, it's it's a different modulation
Speaker 1: because of how quick they moved, and they would actually.
Speaker 2: Sound oh interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if people know that,
Speaker 1: but that's why.
Speaker 2: So here, let me play it again. Do you have
Speaker 2: a guess of what it says?
Speaker 1: I feel like it says something like help me. Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's too low for.
Speaker 2: Me help me? Is such a common EVP, It's like
Speaker 2: all the time. Okay, here's some options. Is it A
Speaker 2: you want a piece of me? B I hear a demon?
Speaker 2: C get out of here, or D go buy Sister
Speaker 2: of Darkness wherever you buy books. All right, let me
Speaker 2: play it again. Is it C it's I hear a demon.
Speaker 2: Let me play it again. Let me play it again. Actually,
Speaker 2: I kind of do hear that I hear a demon.
Speaker 1: It does sort of sound like that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play it one more time. I mean I
Speaker 2: hear go by Sister of Darkness. Okay, here is one more.
Speaker 2: This is from someone named Archbishop James Cloud. What is
Speaker 2: this one saying? Okay, there's some kind of in the background.
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like one of those spirit boxes
Speaker 2: or something. But I don't know if that's where this
Speaker 2: EVP is coming from. I think it. I think it
Speaker 2: was recorded otherwise. But uh, okay, here we play it again.
Speaker 2: It sounds more like a human yeah, and he guesses.
Speaker 1: It almost sounds to me like he's trying to say
Speaker 1: his name. Mmm, like I missed or something something.
Speaker 2: Oh, I missed something something, Yeah, I told I hear
Speaker 2: a m sound. Okay, here's some options. Is it A
Speaker 2: you're messy and drunk. Is it B you're messing around?
Speaker 2: Is it C you miss being young? Or D Deborah
Speaker 2: Messing is hot. All right, let me play it again.
Speaker 1: Well it sounds like you're messing around.
Speaker 2: You're messing around. Yeah, that's what they believe. It says
Speaker 2: you're messing around.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think it could be saying you're messing with hell.
Speaker 2: And they also think that it's a dmon saying well,
Speaker 2: I think these.
Speaker 1: Have a great sense of hum and I just want
Speaker 1: to also say that to cease people usually do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're in a space and they think you're hunting
Speaker 1: demons and you're there with the EVPs, like, talk to
Speaker 1: me demons, they'll just say demonic shit.
Speaker 2: Most of the time, Oh my god, that is so funny,
Speaker 2: because you know, with comedy so often you know it's
Speaker 2: people say it's rooted in truth and tragedy and sadness.
Speaker 2: And I can imagine that there are a lot of
Speaker 2: deceased people that are just like kind of twiddling their thumbs,
Speaker 2: maybe a little sad, and just like I'm looking for
Speaker 2: something fun to do, and I wanna, you know, I
Speaker 2: want to have a good time and not feel sad.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's totally true, Like if you look
Speaker 1: at how many things you've seen where you you know
Speaker 1: someone's in a place where you know, Like I always
Speaker 1: talk about like I loved I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this, and I don't know if we talked about
Speaker 1: this last time. But one of my favorite kind of
Speaker 1: ghost shows was MTV Spear.
Speaker 2: Oh, which is odd yes years old.
Speaker 1: Now right, but it was one of the coolest, best,
Speaker 1: most well done shows where you were just like, what
Speaker 1: the hell is actually happening? But you would see like
Speaker 1: they would go to a location, let's just say, and
Speaker 1: there were you know, children who passed in this location.
Speaker 1: Then the little balls would roll around and stuff because
Speaker 1: they want to play, you know, they actually do. Like
Speaker 1: they they're excited that people are there, you know, and
Speaker 1: they just want to interact and they want to be
Speaker 1: seen and noticed. That's why I always joke that, you know,
Speaker 1: decease people don't shut up, Like if you want to
Speaker 1: talk to your deceased loved ones, you came in with
Speaker 1: the ability everybody did and to talk to their spirit
Speaker 1: guides and all of this cool spiritual stuff that people
Speaker 1: have just kind of stamped out over the years because
Speaker 1: they don't trust it and they don't believe in themselves,
Speaker 1: or they think it's crazy or someone told them it
Speaker 1: was crazy, or you know, all of that stuff. But
Speaker 1: like to cease, people just want to be seen. They
Speaker 1: just want to know, like they want to they want
Speaker 1: to play, they want to tell you stuff, they want
Speaker 1: to you know, if they're relatives, they want to give
Speaker 1: you happy messages. That's most of the time, that's all
Speaker 1: they really want to.
Speaker 2: I think about with La and like so many of
Speaker 2: our Hollywood ghosts and and the people that died, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to get seen and trying to perform or whatever
Speaker 2: that they're especially in the afterlife, like I got an
Speaker 2: audience here, let me hello, my darlin, Hello, my baby.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's so true. That's why, like whenever someone says like
Speaker 1: I think I saw Marilyn morrou and everybody's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why would Marilyn Moruau show herself to you, It's like,
Speaker 1: because why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she that's how she lived. She you know,
Speaker 2: that was a lot of times. I think people that
Speaker 2: are in uh, you know, pursuing a career in show
Speaker 2: business or whatever. They kind of confuse attention with their worth,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's part of what fuels them, is
Speaker 2: getting that attention or getting seen, getting validation. So I
Speaker 2: can imagine that in the afterlife it's you know same.
Speaker 1: Well, and sometimes too, I think people who've been through it,
Speaker 1: and actually those two who died from the industry in
Speaker 1: one way or the other, and then they see someone
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be something or feeling down or
Speaker 1: whatever in a place that they used to be, that
Speaker 1: they might show themselves just to tell you to keep going,
Speaker 1: to keep trying. Yeah, be that message for you.
Speaker 2: You know, you've done a lot of celebrity exorcisms, have you.
Speaker 2: I mean in the book you certainly don't like name
Speaker 2: names or anything. But have there been any that like
Speaker 2: have publicly spoken about it.
Speaker 1: There? I think so, But I don't want to out
Speaker 1: any right in case I'm like messing.
Speaker 3: Around here, but I feel so.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've spoken like publicly publicly, but
Speaker 1: I know for a fact people have told other people
Speaker 1: in meetings and things like that, right, So, like if
Speaker 1: someone has brought up you know that they read something
Speaker 1: of mine or you know that they were thinking about
Speaker 1: going to me, someone else will disclose to them that,
Speaker 1: Oh well I actually went and here was my experience,
Speaker 1: and I think you should go. You know. So, I
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to name drop unless they did.
Speaker 1: So if you were listening and you came here and
Speaker 1: you want people to know, to.
Speaker 2: Shout it out totally. I want to talk to somebody
Speaker 2: that's been to you.
Speaker 1: I think a lot, but I get that.
Speaker 2: I get that. Well, I guess that's about it for
Speaker 2: this time. I'm so happy you came back.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me again.
Speaker 1: I had so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, tell people where they can find you,
Speaker 2: where they can get your book and and everything else.
Speaker 1: Well, the book is Sister of Darkness. It is available
Speaker 1: all all the places that you can get it. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun reviews that you'll enjoy on
Speaker 1: Amazon if you wish to read them. Some are great
Speaker 1: and some are terrible. You enjoy, and then you know.
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram and Twitter less, but on Instagram more
Speaker 1: at Rhstavis, which is like Davis but with an.
Speaker 2: St amazing and we'll look out for you on our TVs.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I hope you like all our
Speaker 1: spooky things.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Rachel our H Stavis, And
Speaker 2: you should go check out her instagram because it's very
Speaker 2: insightful and I've seen on there before where she's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I had someone drop out. I can do it an exorcism,
Speaker 2: so stop on by. So yeah, check out that instagram.
Speaker 2: And also, if you want to hear a little bit more,
Speaker 2: patroon dot com slash ros dress Falas second Tier has
Speaker 2: got a fun little conversation I had with her about
Speaker 2: various unexplained phenomenal and what it's like when she sees
Speaker 2: an entity attached to somebody on TV and in person. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the thing that I wants to tell you about.
Speaker 2: So toward the end of this conversation, I had asked
Speaker 2: her about celebrity clients because I want to talk to them.
Speaker 2: I want to hear what it was like. And you
Speaker 2: know you heard what she said. But then I was
Speaker 2: interviewing RuPaul's drag Race icon Ben de la Crem, who
Speaker 2: was my guest next week, and we were just like
Speaker 2: talking about ghosts and stuff, and then Ben was like,
Speaker 2: I actually just had an exorcism, and I was all,
Speaker 2: was it with somebody named Rachel r H. Davis? And
Speaker 2: Ben was all, yeah, so my dream came true and
Speaker 2: I wasn't even trying. So you can hear that. Next week,
Speaker 2: Ben will tell you what it was like to have
Speaker 2: a session with her. So make sure you guys are subscribed.
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