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Speaker 2: coming this way. Wait a minute, I Hyron dress police.

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Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz. Oh my gosh, what a week. Okay,

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Speaker 2: This last week's episode, I mean Chris Colfer was truly

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Speaker 2: a gift from the paranormal celebrity interview podcast Gods, and

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Speaker 2: I received so many messages and and even talk to people,

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Speaker 2: people on the street, people at a show I did

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Speaker 2: this week. I mean, people loved that episode. So if

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Speaker 2: really was so so wonderful and I absolutely loved it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so grateful that Chris did the show. And

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Speaker 2: like always, I think I've got another amazing one for

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Speaker 2: you today. I've got a return guest, our h Stavis,

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Speaker 2: Rachel Stavis, who is a writer and an author and

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Speaker 2: an exorcist. She wrote the book Sister of Darkness. And

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Speaker 2: now if you're unfamiliar, here's what I might suggest before

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Speaker 2: you listen, maybe go back to the first time Rachel

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Speaker 2: was on. It's a two parter. It was last October,

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Speaker 2: so it was October first and October eighth, and we

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Speaker 2: She's a non nominational exorcist. She can see what she

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Speaker 2: an exciting announcement that you'll get to hear on this show,

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Speaker 2: and I cannot wait for what she has in store

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Speaker 2: for you. I would love to do a listener episode soon,

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Speaker 2: so please send me your listener stories to ghosted by

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Speaker 2: Roz at gmail dot com and put in the subject

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Speaker 2: line listener episode. Okay, let's get to this conversation at

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Speaker 2: the end of my conversation with her today in the

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Speaker 2: little outro of the show, I have something that something

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Speaker 2: at the outro, and I'll tell you about it because

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Speaker 2: it relates to today's conversation. And next week's conversation. And

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Speaker 2: if you want to hear a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: my conversation with our h Stavis, go to my Patreon,

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Speaker 2: Patreon dot com slash Hiles dress Flees on my second tier.

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Speaker 2: I have a really interesting litle clip with her where

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Speaker 2: I asked her about haunted dolls and past lives and

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Speaker 2: So we get into that as well. So go check

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Speaker 2: that out. All right, here we go my conversation, this

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Speaker 2: My got you guys back by popular demand, I have

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Speaker 2: got our ah stay here. Hello, Hello. I cannot tell

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Speaker 2: you how many people after you were on my show,

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Speaker 2: so many people have told me that they have read

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Speaker 2: your book that they're now also obsessed with you. We

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Speaker 2: love you over here at Ghosted Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I love you guys too. And your hands are.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, Yeah, they really are. And some of them have

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Speaker 2: Have you been doing sessions now that we're getting back.

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Speaker 1: So I have a treadmill. This is a weird way

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Speaker 1: They actually do have quite a lot. You're actually so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, God, And it's just too bad that you

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Speaker 1: Can you can tell them to talk off the same

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Speaker 1: And summer is the worst. It's the worst time for entity,

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Speaker 3: And to a certain degree, I'm sure that's true.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are plenty of people who've done that

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Speaker 2: But according to the warrants, I don't know how they

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Speaker 3: Really make it more than any kind of stronger.

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Speaker 1: made things worse, and you know that's hard.

434
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: But again, you know, I don't know that they would

435
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: love me.

436
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: So much, right, Yeah, I mean, well, it is kind

437
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: of interesting with like these film series because from the

438
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: people that I've talked to that have worked with them,

439
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: it's kind of I mean, it's like with any time

440
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: there's like these autobiographical or sorry biographical type shows where

441
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: or movies where it's it's like that's not really exactly

442
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: the happy ending, but we're doing a movie here, so

443
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: we're going to keep it going, you know what I mean.

444
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: Like it's it's a lot of times I think that

445
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: the outcomes weren't the exact same as you see in

446
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: the movies.

447
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: No, of course, I mean, you can't write you can't

448
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: you can't just be like and then they got worse

449
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: when they left, you know, and then very movie fodder.

450
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: And also like they make them so endearing and lovable

451
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: and wonderful in the movies, like you would just watch

452
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: them for them, you know, for the fictional Warrens. You know,

453
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: like the fictional Warrens are so tremendous and you can,

454
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: you know, like exercise demons with the power of marriage

455
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: and it's really lovely. And you know that's not how

456
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: it actually works, and I know that for fact, but

457
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: it's still fun to watch.

458
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, and I love Mega. Okay. Well,

459
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: another thing that has happened since the last time I

460
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: talked to you is there's been more talk of the

461
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: Cecil Hotel.

462
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much.

463
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: I mean, it's gotten a couple of TV specials. And

464
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: I always feel like the Cecil Hotel was like a

465
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: thing that us LA weirdos like we're obsessed with, and

466
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: that like the Internet really got into it. And now

467
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: it's like that place is full blown, like join the

468
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: ranks of like an Amneyville or whatever. You know, it's

469
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: like one of these like the most famous haunted or

470
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: spooky places in the country. But yeah, did you watch

471
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: the specials that have happened?

472
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I was interviewed actually for the cecil Docus series on Netflix,

473
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: but they didn't use what I said because I think

474
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: they were going for, you know, more of a situation

475
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: where it was about mental illness and trauma, and you know,

476
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: I have feelings about that.

477
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, I understand that, but that okay, that

478
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: documentary series they explored a lot of different options, and

479
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: I was a little annoyed that they didn't entertain that

480
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: because that is such a huge part of like, you know,

481
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: the spiritual haunted whatever. That side of it is a

482
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: huge part of this conversation. And when they were talking

483
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: about all the Internet stuff and the death metal guy

484
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: and like all that kind of stuff, like, yeah, that's

485
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: an aspect of this story with the Internet, and a

486
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: huge part of the Internet story with it is that

487
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: it's you know, haunted and what's going on with the

488
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: video and these photos that have been taken and whatever.

489
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: So I didn't I didn't like that, but I understand

490
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: why they sometimes don't have that stuff in because it

491
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: it you know, I don't know change. It's the same

492
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: reason why they dismiss the Devil made me do it

493
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: in court where they're like, no, that's a whole different

494
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: kind of a territory we don't want to get into,

495
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: you know.

496
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Oh, and like here's the thing, And I actually said

497
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: this in my interview which no one will ever see,

498
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: but I did say, you know, if if I could,

499
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: I could go along with that journey and that idea

500
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: that it's, you know, just a tragic situation in tragic story.

501
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: Agree if it was the only one associated to this place,

502
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: but it's not.

503
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: It's one of so so many, so many.

504
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: That people know about that date that date back until

505
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, basically when that place was built and then

506
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: to meet for me before that. But also there are

507
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of stories that went on in that space that

508
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: are not famous that people don't know about, that are

509
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: private stories. Like if you live in Los Angeles, you

510
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: know someone who's been affected by that place. God, you

511
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: know some story in that place and it's not a

512
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: it's not a public story. You're not going to share it.

513
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're not going to say it now, like

514
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: you just know, oh, I know this person who was

515
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: assaulted in this place or attacked in this place, or

516
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: something happened that was supernatural in this place or whatever,

517
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a well known fact for people

518
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: who live here.

519
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh man, I'm so mad that you weren't in it.

520
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm not, though, because I'm going to get to do

521
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: what I want to do.

522
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? Okay, we've talked about

523
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: how you want, like it is a big goal for

524
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: you to get in there. Any news on.

525
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: That, well, okay, So I you know in my book,

526
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: that was like a whole chapter, you know, the Cecil

527
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Hotel and how I feel about the Cecil Hotel and

528
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: how I cannot wait to get my hands on the

529
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Ceacial Hotel, which is, to be fair, a very large space.

530
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how people how much people are familiar

531
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: with it, but it's a huge, huge space. And when

532
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: you go in and do a cleansing like that would need,

533
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: there's no stone unturned, so you would have to be

534
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: there from start to finish the entire space. There's no like,

535
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: you can't just sit in a lobby and do your thing.

536
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: You know, you have to go through everything.

537
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: So I felt like, you know, I could use a little.

538
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Practice before I go through thirteen floors and you know,

539
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: eight million square feet so there are other places too

540
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: that I'm very interested in exercising that it can't disclose

541
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: just yet. But there are many places you know on

542
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: the planet that have dark histories very similar to this,

543
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: and not all of them less and some of them

544
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: are just traumatized faces. Right, That's not necessarily where an

545
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: entity is. So I can't say it's like every place

546
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: that you know of that have this, like mass tragedy

547
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: is entity. But there are places on the Earth that are.

548
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: And my goal is to start setting out to those

549
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: places and exercising those places to help kind of, you.

550
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Know, not to be cliche, right, but to help kind

551
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: of make the world a better place.

552
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: And that is my goal. And now I am starting

553
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: to do that. So I'm very excited, and I can't

554
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: talk too much about it about one of those things

555
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be happening soon, and I believe you're

556
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: going to get to see it on your TV's around Halloween.

557
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we.

558
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: Thank you.

559
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 3: Well.

560
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: That brings up, Okay, a bunch of questions just generally

561
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: about this concept. So how explain how it's different to

562
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: exercise a building as opposed to a human, so, you know,

563
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: like with.

564
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: A person it's a one on one, very private situation.

565
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, there's an attachment with a person. And again,

566
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: like most of the time people you see or people

567
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: I see, I should say, you know, they have kind

568
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: of you know, the more normal style attachments. They have clives,

569
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, which we talked about. They have tricksters and

570
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: tricksters just just for reference. Again, like I said, I

571
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: know we've talked about this, but tricksters are the ones

572
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: that kind of show themselves to children as imaginary friends

573
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: or you know, arcangels or deceased people or whatever. And

574
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: before people ask this, you can tell the difference by

575
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: how it feels, because they're going to be like, oh, no,

576
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: I saw de say this person. Is that a fentency

577
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: or is that my grandma? No, it depends on how

578
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: it feels. So, you know, they have tricksters that they've

579
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: carried for a while. They have rates, which are the

580
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: entities that are attached to you know, sexual violence, molestation, rape.

581
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: But unfortunately there are a lot of people with that

582
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: as well, and so those are like kind of the

583
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: ones that I see all the time. Not everybody has

584
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: the big guys. The big guys are the ones that

585
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: take spaces so you know, most of the time, when

586
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm working on one person, it's it's I don't want

587
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: to say, easier for me, for common play for me.

588
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: And then when you're working in spaces, it's a bigger

589
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: it's a bigger issue because you, like I say, I

590
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: have to go through the entire space. There's not one

591
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: place that you don't go. So it's a very long,

592
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: arduous kind of more tedious, more energetically draining situation.

593
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: God, that sounds so exhausting.

594
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: My whole life is tired.

595
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, well, because I know you've talked

596
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: about how the Cecil has like the biggest of the

597
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: big right when it comes to entity, Yes for sure.

598
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: So are there other places that have that big that

599
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: you know of?

600
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Yes? And those are the places I'm interested in going after,

601
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, with my own show. Those are the ones

602
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be hitting pretty hard. The ones.

603
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: The one that you're going to see hopefully for the

604
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Spooky season is a little step down from that, so

605
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: it's not quite that, but the ones that I'm going

606
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: to be tackling next I think we'll all be that.

607
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: What's like that that you're allowed to talk about? What

608
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: is like a building that you have encountered that has

609
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: like something something big and you've gotten it out of there.

610
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done it a few times now. So

611
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: most buildings they have what I call collectors. So collectors

612
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: are like second down right from from the realm, from

613
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the big guy, and collectors what they do and I

614
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: think we went over this back, I can't remember, so

615
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it again. Collectors they like

616
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: to go to a place that has mass trauma, where

617
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: something happened where a lot of people, you know, essentially passed,

618
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: and they like to use the deceased people who are

619
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: trapped in the space. And by trapped, I mean, let

620
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: me just clarify that they don't think they can move on.

621
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they can't, but they're convinced that

622
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: they can't. So the collector will use the deceased people

623
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: like like batteries, essentially to scare the living people that

624
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: come through there and then use the living people's energy.

625
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: That's kind of complicated, but does.

626
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: That mean okay, okay, okay, So it's.

627
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: Kind of in control of the deceased people, got it.

628
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: So when you go to these places, are you like,

629
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: are you ever like, Oh, that's just a deceased person.

630
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: Never mind, Like I'll just leave, Like do you leave

631
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: it alone or are you? Like what are you doing that?

632
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: Well, So there's a difference, right between something that's haunted

633
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: versus something that has entity, So disease people an entity

634
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: very different, Like entity is what people think are demons

635
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: or considered demons or demonic, not they've never been people

636
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: and then decease people or decease people. So you know,

637
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: when people say they have a haunt, like a house

638
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: with a demon in it, usually I'm like, Okay, that's

639
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: probably not the case. There'd have to be some very

640
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: special situation going on for an entity to sit in

641
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: a house, so it's usually just a haunted house, you know,

642
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: like deceased people hanging out. So what I try to

643
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: do with if I find a place like that, for example,

644
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: what I try to do is I try to teach

645
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: people how to interact with the deceased.

646
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: Person so they can find out what they're there for.

647
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Because there's usually a reason why someone's hanging out. But

648
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: sometimes on occasion it's something like this right where you

649
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: have to deal with the collector and when you have

650
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: to deal with the collector, they have a whole army

651
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: of like disease people in front of them, and so

652
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: to get to the collectors, the collector and its energy

653
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: is the diseased people. So when I have that situation,

654
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: what I like to do is go through and release

655
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: the deceased people first. And but I do all I

656
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: do for that is having conversation with them, finding out

657
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: why they think they're trapped and what's going on, and

658
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, convincing them otherwise, And so that takes its

659
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: own time before you can even start working on the NC.

660
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: What about I mean, have you encountered deceased people that

661
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: are like, I'm a ghost and I like it and

662
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: I'm good here.

663
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because decease people don't shut up. That's

664
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: another difference between entity and disease people. It's like entity

665
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be seen. These people are like, oh wait,

666
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: you can see me. I've got so much to say.

667
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: So disease people are very chatty and they want to

668
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: be around people, and they want to help people for

669
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: the most part, unless they were like really shitty people,

670
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: which is you know sometimes happens. But yeah, they don't

671
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: necessarily want to leave house. They just want to have.

672
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Communicated because the part I wonder about with like EVPs

673
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: or like when people say that they've seen like a

674
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: demon or or some kind of non human creature in

675
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: their home, I mean, does that is that? What is

676
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: that the same thing that you can see, or is that,

677
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: you know, manifested in a different way, or what it?

678
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: What is going on there when they because you know,

679
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: I hear a lot of EVPs and and a lot

680
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: of times it's like a demon is saying this thing.

681
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: Do you believe that that's typically just a deceased person.

682
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the time, I do. I think it is.

683
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: I mean special circumstances.

684
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: If it's not. And that's not to say it never happens,

685
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: Like I say, I mean, you can have a house

686
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: that's in a very weird, energetic place, or something very

687
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: important happen or will be happening there and teacrop wind of.

688
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: That, so that could be there. You know, I can't

689
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: say never.

690
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: But you know, as far as people seeing things, there

691
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: are entities that just pass through too. So sometimes I

692
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: think people kind of get a glimpse of their own

693
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: momentary abilities that they've kind of shut down a bit,

694
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 1: and so maybe they caught this or that, or maybe

695
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: something wanted to show itself for a second and then disappear.

696
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: But we do have entities that have nothing to do

697
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: with humans that are just passing through.

698
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: Well, I want to talk about this other big exciting

699
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: announcement that you have going on. Tell us what's God?

700
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: Tell us as much as you can say.

701
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well I think you're talking about the show. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

702
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: So for people who have watched Posies, I have gotten

703
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: a question.

704
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: So Posey's is the short film that I wrote and

705
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: co directed with my partner Kate Fisher, and so we've

706
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: had it kind of making the festival rounds. We finished

707
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: Posy's right before the pandemic started, basically, and did all

708
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: of everything during twenty twenty, which was uts, like all

709
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: of the post and everything. And so we're finally getting

710
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: into festivals and it's being enjoyed and some of you

711
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: guys have been watching it, and I really appreciate it.

712
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: I got to see. I highly enjose it. It is.

713
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: It is beautiful. It is kind of disturbing. I mean

714
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: it is disturbing at times, but it's beautifully done. It's

715
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: just it's so cool.

716
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that because like, for me, the only

717
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: thing I really want to make is like beautiful horror,

718
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful body horror, which is not usually together.

719
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: We don't usually see those two terms together, like the

720
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: very very visceral and very gory, which this is not,

721
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: but where I'm moving into is and so you see

722
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: that and it's like a gore fest and that's how

723
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: people usually directed. But what I want is to make

724
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: it obscenely gorgeous so that you really just can't look

725
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: away at the same time that it's very very troublesome.

726
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: That's how I felt.

727
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: I appreciate that That's exactly what I wanted.

728
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we so long story short, like people have

729
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: asked because they've now been watching the film and it's

730
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: available to see and will be more available by the

731
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: available in August, that my executive producer is Pamela Adlin,

732
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: and so people are been asking like, well, how did

733
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: that happen? What's going on?

734
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: And so well, if anyone doesn't know who Pamela Adline is, like,

735
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: first of all, Googler, because you know who she is.

736
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: She is, she's amazing, She's been acting for a long

737
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: time and producing. Also she's the voice of Bobby Hill

738
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: from from UH, The Sing of the Hill. She's just

739
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: the greatest.

740
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: My favorite animated van. Yeah, you can have a favorite

741
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: animate advent. So yeah, So people have been asked like,

742
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: how did that happen? And it's because about two years

743
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: ago we met each other because my book Sister Arts,

744
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: who hopefully a lot of people have read. I hope,

745
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: so I hope, So you know, was going out for

746
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: television and very long story short, she was loving it.

747
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: And now we are making a show for a series

748
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: for FX, which is very exciting and she is just the.

749
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: Greatest, amazing writer, amazing partner.

750
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Because executive producer, like everything, and and I should add

751
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: too that we're also partnered with Bellatrist, the lovely Emma

752
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: Roberts Company, and they are wonderful as well. And so

753
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: it's been a really fabulous experience and we're really excited

754
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: to bring this UH to you. But during this process,

755
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: it's when Posey's finally finished and she like, I really

756
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: like to watch it, and she watched it and turns

757
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: out she loved it as well. And now she's also

758
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: on board or her company is on board to help

759
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: produce Wires, which is the feature script that we are

760
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: now moving forward with in terms of funding and everything,

761
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: which Posey's was kind of not a proof of concept

762
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: work because it's its own thing, but just kind of,

763
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, the short to make sure we could do

764
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: all the things that we wanted to do.

765
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how do you have the time to

766
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: be even talking to me. I'm so honored.

767
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Oh my goodness, I love talking to you.

768
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: So the TV series is it pretty much like you know,

769
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: this cool Exorcist and her adventures or.

770
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: What I mean? Yeah, I think we're trying to do that,

771
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, there are a lot of

772
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: ways you could take my story right, Like, it could

773
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: be like fantastical, it would be really grounded. It could

774
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: be like a messy because I'm pretty messy. It could

775
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: be a lot of things. And Hannah is really fabulous

776
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: because as you know, I'm sure you've seen and watched

777
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: better things. I'm sure a lot of people, yes, And

778
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: it's such a wonderful, brilliant show. And she's such a

779
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: first of all, such a great person, but also such

780
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: a vulnerable person who's not afraid to be vulnerable, and

781
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: she shows people who she is, and that's one thing

782
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: that I was so impressed with when I met her.

783
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I was so like, oh

784
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: my gosh, I have to work with her is because

785
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: she really is exactly who you hope and think she is.

786
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: And I think the reason why is because she is

787
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: so bold in the way that she writes things for herself.

788
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: And so when we started writing, I think personally like

789
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: I was a little afraid to go there, you know,

790
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: because I have a lot of weird stuff about my past.

791
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: That I don't really disclose. Like in my book, I

792
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: do talk about like my mother was a malignant narcissist

793
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: and killed herself with prescription drugs, and it's just like

794
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: a whole I have a whole lot of trauma in

795
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: my background, you know. And so when I write, I

796
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: was like, you know, writing the story, but I was like,

797
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the place that was like the

798
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: grossest place for me. Do you know what I mean

799
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: by that, Like the place that was like, oh, it

800
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: makes me feel sick to write that, yeah, you know.

801
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: And she was like, no, that's what we got to do.

802
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: We got to write that. And then I put it

803
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: down on paper and I would be like, oh, my god, No,

804
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: that's totally right. It's totally right. Like you have to

805
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: share your whole self, you have to expose your whole self,

806
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: and that's an incredible lesson. But I'm still still still

807
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: struggling with that that. Thank goodness, I have such a

808
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: powerhouse to work with who does it all the time.

809
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: Was like, no, does that make you want of art?

810
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to do that totally. Oh my god,

811
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: that this is going to be so good. I mean

812
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: when you wrote book, did you feel that way? Did

813
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: you feel like, like, oh, this is so weird to

814
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: be sharing this or yeah I did.

815
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: I did, And you know, I had never been public

816
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: before that book ever, And still I still consider myself

817
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: kind of not not yet, Like it's sort of happening,

818
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not like in a weird place yet for

819
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: the most part.

820
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it was really weird for me to.

821
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: Every week just kind of go through like the therapy

822
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: sessions of my life to put in a book for

823
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: like everybody to read.

824
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: And like, if you thought that was vulnerable, this.

825
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: Is like a thousand times words.

826
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: But isn't it so freeting to get that out there?

827
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: It is like I.

828
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: Never thought it would be but you know, like writing

829
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 3: a scene.

830
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: There's a specific scene that we wrote that is about

831
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: something very traumatic that happened to me, like as a baby,

832
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I write that and I've never

833
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: even talked about that before, and I can't say what

834
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: it is obviously because it's in an episode, but you know,

835
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: like I wrote it and I was like, I'm literally

836
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: writing the story of what happened to me when I

837
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: couldn't even speak or think basically, and I'm just like,

838
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm doing that, Like you know what

839
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you're you're most vulnerable, like weird shit

840
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: about you that you're just like, oh my god, I

841
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: am writing this now for people to see. Yeah, it's

842
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: really strange, but yes, it is extremely freeing because once

843
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: it's done, you're like, oh wow, that happened.

844
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, So what are what's what's the plan

845
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: with the show as of right now?

846
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: We are in the ring stages right now, so we

847
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: are kind of getting episodes together and creating something amazing

848
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: to show you guys and hopefully hopefully finger all fingers

849
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: all across. We're starting to get going next year.

850
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

851
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, thank you so much.

852
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: I hope you can come back when when you can

853
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: talk more about all.

854
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm still like half specret.

855
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: So now it's okay. I'm so happy to hear even

856
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: this news. I know a lot of people will be

857
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: happy as well.

858
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. Yeah, I'm pretty psyched. I'm really psyched.

859
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to be doing this and with such

860
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: a great network. And you know, we're really trying to

861
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: make something that is interesting and different, and I hope

862
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: that we do. I hope that it comes to Well,

863
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: you just.

864
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Have like such a unique skill and you have this

865
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: is something I've talked about when I've when you've come

866
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 2: up where I'm like, you, guys, I really don't think

867
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: she's lying about this. I really think it's real. And

868
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: and that's like, you know, I'm a skeptical person in

869
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, but you have you are a

870
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: such a unique case where it's like there's enough reason,

871
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: I feel to believe that what you're talking about is legit,

872
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: and there's enough people that can co sign for that,

873
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: and it's just it's kind of rare that you meet

874
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: somebody with with all of like, you know, all of

875
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: these things in one package. You know, well, I just.

876
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: Think, you know, like I just tell it as I

877
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: see it, you know, like I'm not trying to start

878
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: a church or convert anybody, and like I have no

879
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: interest in making you believe something you don't want to believe. Right,

880
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: this doesn't matter. And I always say, you know when

881
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: people ask me, like because they don't. I see entity

882
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: with my eyes, right, So that's not a normal thing

883
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: for people, which you know, for many years of my

884
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 1: childhood I didn't know. So I spoke about it until

885
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: I've got that makes you a nutcase, so you don't

886
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: talk about it anymore for many many years of my life.

887
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: And then later on was like, fuck it, this is

888
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: who I am. I'm not integrated, you know. I got

889
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: to be who I am. And so that's really why

890
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: it came about. It's not it, you know, it's it's

891
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: it's basically like this, like not everybody sees entity the

892
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: way that I do. Like you see the effects of

893
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: entity every day every single day. You know, that's the truth.

894
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: And whether you want to believe it or you don't

895
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: doesn't change my work. I still have to keep doing

896
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. You know, it doesn't matter, Like if

897
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: you don't believe an entity. It doesn't make any difference.

898
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: Entity is still gonnat touch they rather you don't.

899
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: Have you encountered another living human being that has a

900
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: similar ability as you?

901
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard to say yes or

902
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: no really because like Shamans, for example, have been working

903
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: with entities since the dawn of time, right, so shamans

904
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: tend to do you know, energy removals and things like that.

905
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: And you know, there are different healers who do different

906
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: modalities like clearing fields and all kinds of stuff. I've

907
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: never met anyone who is who has the site that

908
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: I do, but it doesn't mean they don't have something

909
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: else that's their own, you know, because like different healers

910
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: have diff things, like there are people who can like

911
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: heal people physically energetically, like physically physically, like they can

912
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: do surgeries. We're all kind of born with our own,

913
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: our own stuff.

914
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: And there are so many more people who have abilities

915
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: and gifts that they've just stifled down.

916
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: And you don't even know you have.

917
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: Remind me, do you have other you know, quote unquote

918
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: psychic abilities of you know, can you see the future?

919
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: Can you see you know? I don't know, do you

920
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: have anything else.

921
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: Not really, I don't think so. I don't think so.

922
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: I you know, I can do some mediumship. I wouldn't

923
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: say that's like my forte. But in dealing with things

924
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: like collectors and stuff, you have to learn, but you know,

925
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: and occasionally, like I haven't done these in so many years,

926
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: but like I do seances for my friends once in

927
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: a blue moon in my like backyard, I have like

928
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: a party, and I do like a platform experience, which

929
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: is basically like when I when I medium kind of stands,

930
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, on a stage or whatever, and and things

931
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: just people just come in and they just say this

932
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: is what's coming in. And then people you know, respond

933
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: or don't respond.

934
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how do I get on the guest list?

935
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: You're on the guests Oh my god, I want to come.

936
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: That sounds so cool.

937
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: I can't wait to do another one.

938
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: It's been like, obviously quite more than a year.

939
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: The last one I did was when Refinery did a

940
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: video and I don't remember how much they show of it.

941
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's like my my only other gift

942
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: if you will.

943
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, can I up a lot of my time?

944
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: Let's just say it sounds like.

945
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: What limited time you have with all these projects? Can

946
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: I play some ghost voices?

947
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, please?

948
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for ev or evase.

949
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

950
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: So this first one is from someone named t one

951
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Okay, and this is uh the basement of

952
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: the Memorial Auditorium in Wellington, Kansas. Ooh, okay, what do

953
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: you hear? Okay? Like always, there's like a lot of

954
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: background kind of noise, but there's like a whisper speaking.

955
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: I'll play it again, okay. Ooh do you hear something?

956
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

957
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: First of all, does it sound like a demon or

958
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: a human?

959
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, to cease people?

960
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: Hard to tell. And I'll tell you why that is.

961
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: Because decease people they move at a different frequency or

962
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: a different vibration than we do. They're very very fast moving,

963
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: and so when when they speak, like if they speak,

964
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: if you actually catch it, it's it's a different modulation

965
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: because of how quick they moved, and they would actually.

966
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: Sound oh interesting.

967
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if people know that,

968
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: but that's why.

969
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: So here, let me play it again. Do you have

970
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: a guess of what it says?

971
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it says something like help me. Oh man,

972
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: it's too low for.

973
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: Me help me? Is such a common EVP, It's like

974
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: all the time. Okay, here's some options. Is it A

975
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: you want a piece of me? B I hear a demon?

976
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: C get out of here, or D go buy Sister

977
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: of Darkness wherever you buy books. All right, let me

978
00:53:45,160 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: play it again. Is it C it's I hear a demon.

979
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: Let me play it again. Let me play it again. Actually,

980
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: I kind of do hear that I hear a demon.

981
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: It does sort of sound like that.

982
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play it one more time. I mean I

983
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: hear go by Sister of Darkness. Okay, here is one more.

984
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: This is from someone named Archbishop James Cloud. What is

985
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: this one saying? Okay, there's some kind of in the background.

986
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like one of those spirit boxes

987
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: or something. But I don't know if that's where this

988
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: EVP is coming from. I think it. I think it

989
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: was recorded otherwise. But uh, okay, here we play it again.

990
00:54:51,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: It sounds more like a human yeah, and he guesses.

991
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: It almost sounds to me like he's trying to say

992
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: his name. Mmm, like I missed or something something.

993
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: Oh, I missed something something, Yeah, I told I hear

994
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: a m sound. Okay, here's some options. Is it A

995
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: you're messy and drunk. Is it B you're messing around?

996
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: Is it C you miss being young? Or D Deborah

997
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: Messing is hot. All right, let me play it again.

998
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: Well it sounds like you're messing around.

999
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: You're messing around. Yeah, that's what they believe. It says

1000
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: you're messing around.

1001
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1002
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: I also think it could be saying you're messing with hell.

1003
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 2: And they also think that it's a dmon saying well,

1004
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: I think these.

1005
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Have a great sense of hum and I just want

1006
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: to also say that to cease people usually do. Yeah,

1007
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: so they're in a space and they think you're hunting

1008
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: demons and you're there with the EVPs, like, talk to

1009
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: me demons, they'll just say demonic shit.

1010
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: Most of the time, Oh my god, that is so funny,

1011
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 2: because you know, with comedy so often you know it's

1012
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: people say it's rooted in truth and tragedy and sadness.

1013
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: And I can imagine that there are a lot of

1014
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: deceased people that are just like kind of twiddling their thumbs,

1015
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: maybe a little sad, and just like I'm looking for

1016
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: something fun to do, and I wanna, you know, I

1017
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 2: want to have a good time and not feel sad.

1018
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: But I mean it's totally true, Like if you look

1019
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: at how many things you've seen where you you know

1020
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: someone's in a place where you know, Like I always

1021
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: talk about like I loved I don't know if you

1022
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: remember this, and I don't know if we talked about

1023
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: this last time. But one of my favorite kind of

1024
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: ghost shows was MTV Spear.

1025
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh, which is odd yes years old.

1026
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 1: Now right, but it was one of the coolest, best,

1027
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: most well done shows where you were just like, what

1028
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: the hell is actually happening? But you would see like

1029
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: they would go to a location, let's just say, and

1030
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: there were you know, children who passed in this location.

1031
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: Then the little balls would roll around and stuff because

1032
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: they want to play, you know, they actually do. Like

1033
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: they they're excited that people are there, you know, and

1034
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: they just want to interact and they want to be

1035
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: seen and noticed. That's why I always joke that, you know,

1036
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: decease people don't shut up, Like if you want to

1037
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: talk to your deceased loved ones, you came in with

1038
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: the ability everybody did and to talk to their spirit

1039
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: guides and all of this cool spiritual stuff that people

1040
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: have just kind of stamped out over the years because

1041
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: they don't trust it and they don't believe in themselves,

1042
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: or they think it's crazy or someone told them it

1043
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: was crazy, or you know, all of that stuff. But

1044
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: like to cease, people just want to be seen. They

1045
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: just want to know, like they want to they want

1046
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: to play, they want to tell you stuff, they want

1047
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: to you know, if they're relatives, they want to give

1048
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: you happy messages. That's most of the time, that's all

1049
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: they really want to.

1050
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: I think about with La and like so many of

1051
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: our Hollywood ghosts and and the people that died, you know,

1052
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: trying to get seen and trying to perform or whatever

1053
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: that they're especially in the afterlife, like I got an

1054
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: audience here, let me hello, my darlin, Hello, my baby.

1055
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean.

1056
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: It's so true. That's why, like whenever someone says like

1057
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: I think I saw Marilyn morrou and everybody's like, Okay,

1058
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: why would Marilyn Moruau show herself to you, It's like,

1059
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: because why not?

1060
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she that's how she lived. She you know,

1061
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: that was a lot of times. I think people that

1062
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: are in uh, you know, pursuing a career in show

1063
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: business or whatever. They kind of confuse attention with their worth,

1064
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: and you know, that's part of what fuels them, is

1065
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: getting that attention or getting seen, getting validation. So I

1066
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: can imagine that in the afterlife it's you know same.

1067
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: Well, and sometimes too, I think people who've been through it,

1068
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: and actually those two who died from the industry in

1069
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: one way or the other, and then they see someone

1070
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be something or feeling down or

1071
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: whatever in a place that they used to be, that

1072
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 1: they might show themselves just to tell you to keep going,

1073
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: to keep trying. Yeah, be that message for you.

1074
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: You know, you've done a lot of celebrity exorcisms, have you.

1075
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: I mean in the book you certainly don't like name

1076
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: names or anything. But have there been any that like

1077
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: have publicly spoken about it.

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Speaker 1: There? I think so, But I don't want to out

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Speaker 1: any right in case I'm like messing.

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Speaker 3: Around here, but I feel so.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they've spoken like publicly publicly, but

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Speaker 1: I know for a fact people have told other people

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Speaker 1: in meetings and things like that, right, So, like if

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Speaker 1: someone has brought up you know that they read something

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Speaker 1: of mine or you know that they were thinking about

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Speaker 1: going to me, someone else will disclose to them that,

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Speaker 1: Oh well I actually went and here was my experience,

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Speaker 1: and I think you should go. You know. So, I

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to name drop unless they did.

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Speaker 1: So if you were listening and you came here and

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Speaker 1: you want people to know, to.

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Speaker 2: Shout it out totally. I want to talk to somebody

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Speaker 2: that's been to you.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot, but I get that.

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Speaker 2: I get that. Well, I guess that's about it for

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Speaker 2: this time. I'm so happy you came back.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me again.

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Speaker 1: I had so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, tell people where they can find you,

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Speaker 2: where they can get your book and and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Well, the book is Sister of Darkness. It is available

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Speaker 1: all all the places that you can get it. I

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01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun reviews that you'll enjoy on

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Speaker 1: Amazon if you wish to read them. Some are great

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: and some are terrible. You enjoy, and then you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram and Twitter less, but on Instagram more

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Speaker 1: at Rhstavis, which is like Davis but with an.

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Speaker 2: St amazing and we'll look out for you on our TVs.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I hope you like all our

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Speaker 1: spooky things.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Rachel our H Stavis, And

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Speaker 2: you should go check out her instagram because it's very

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Speaker 2: insightful and I've seen on there before where she's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I had someone drop out. I can do it an exorcism,

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Speaker 2: so stop on by. So yeah, check out that instagram.

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Speaker 2: And also, if you want to hear a little bit more,

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Speaker 2: patroon dot com slash ros dress Falas second Tier has

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Speaker 2: got a fun little conversation I had with her about

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Speaker 2: various unexplained phenomenal and what it's like when she sees

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Speaker 2: an entity attached to somebody on TV and in person. Okay,

1121
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: so the thing that I wants to tell you about.

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Speaker 2: So toward the end of this conversation, I had asked

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Speaker 2: her about celebrity clients because I want to talk to them.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear what it was like. And you

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Speaker 2: know you heard what she said. But then I was

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Speaker 2: interviewing RuPaul's drag Race icon Ben de la Crem, who

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Speaker 2: was my guest next week, and we were just like

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Speaker 2: talking about ghosts and stuff, and then Ben was like,

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Speaker 2: I actually just had an exorcism, and I was all,

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Speaker 2: was it with somebody named Rachel r H. Davis? And

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Speaker 2: Ben was all, yeah, so my dream came true and

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even trying. So you can hear that. Next week,

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Speaker 2: Ben will tell you what it was like to have

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Speaker 2: a session with her. So make sure you guys are subscribed.

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Speaker 2: Please send me your listener stories. Ghosted by rosatgmail dot com,

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Speaker 2: subject line listener episode, Hey, can you write the show

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Speaker 2: five stars? Please? If you have a ghost story, you

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Speaker 2: could leave it in a five star review. Or I

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Speaker 2: just like it when you guys write nice things about me,

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Speaker 2: or just you know, don't write anything. Just give me

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Speaker 2: five stars. That'd be nice. Thanks. I'm on Instagram at

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Speaker 2: roz Hernandez. It's a great place to find out if

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Speaker 2: I'll be doing shows anywhere and that kind of a thing.

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