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Speaker 1: What is going on. Welcome back to another week of rutfresh.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jakoefer and we have four great guests.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of coverage from Wisconsin this week,

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Speaker 1: so if you're from Wisconsin, you should be excited. If

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Speaker 1: you're in the area, that'd be all right too. But

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Speaker 1: we also have Jeff Thomas from New York to give

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Speaker 1: us his rough fresh report. And so it is getting

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Speaker 1: to be the time. This is the main event. This

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Speaker 1: is the time we have officially been waiting for sound

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Speaker 1: the alarm. We have some quick tips and strategies to

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Speaker 1: hopefully help you maximize any time you're able to sneak

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Speaker 1: out in the woods or whether you have a vacation scheduled.

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Speaker 1: This episode should help you maximize whatever time you have

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Speaker 1: in the woods, whether it's scouting or hunting. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to kick it off with a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a challenge, my challenge to you. So this every week

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing a little challenge. My challenge is

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Speaker 1: for you to text your hunting buddy. Maybe you haven't

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Speaker 1: talked to him here for a little bit, but you

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Speaker 1: know he's been hunting. You know he's been trying his

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Speaker 1: best to set a text of encouragement and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I know you're getting after it. It's a matter keep

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Speaker 1: at it. Games small, miss small, whatever variation of that,

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Speaker 1: send it to him. Send a little word of encouragement,

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Speaker 1: because we do put too much pressure on ourselves throughout

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Speaker 1: this time period and just a little words of encouragement

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Speaker 1: may go a long way. And as you know, Rofresh

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Speaker 1: or hunting properties here in the US. We're going to

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Speaker 1: kick things off with Eric Barber with a public land

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Speaker 1: buck from Wisconsin. Here is Eric, all right, first up

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Speaker 1: on the line, we have Eric Barber, who recently tagged

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Speaker 1: a big buck and the kind of a crazy story.

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Speaker 1: I read through the story and you had to spend

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Speaker 1: more time looking for the deer or less time looking

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Speaker 1: for the deer than you did a time that broke off,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of funny. But Eric, how

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Speaker 1: you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm good man, I'm pumped to be here, Jake, thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I've been asking folks a tribute question at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of each interview, and I had someone already

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Speaker 1: on Wisconsin. So now you get a question about a

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Speaker 1: state that you don't live in because you're you're headed

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Speaker 1: to Kansas next. So this this one will actually be

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Speaker 1: kind of fun. What year or county or score? You

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Speaker 1: can answer any three of these any variation. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a right answer on any of those. Was the

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Speaker 1: state typical record? Buckshot in Kansas? And I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a hint. This has recently been resurfaced and officially submitted

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Speaker 1: actually earlier this year. So I'm putting you on the

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Speaker 1: spot because I think.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, man, my knowledge at Kansas is limited. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to guess the year is. I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 1: You're one year off nineteen ninety five, No kidding, yes

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Speaker 1: I could.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you the county because I don't actually

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Yeah, I was shot in nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 1: shot that year. And then actually we did. I did

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Speaker 1: a podcast from earlier this year and kind of like

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Speaker 1: for you. But enough crazy, let's stop living in the past.

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Speaker 1: Let's live right now. Let's do it. Tell me about

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Speaker 1: your most recent successful hunt Man in October. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a kind of one of those hunts where

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Speaker 2: doing it. So the day of the hunt was October nineteenth.

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Speaker 2: It was just this past Sunday for me. My I've

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Speaker 2: and I have a small thirty two acre lease that

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Speaker 2: That's definitely switched here in the last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: But going into Sunday, my only rule was I'm going

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Speaker 2: And it's a place that I'd turkey hunted a little bit,

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Speaker 2: So I was kind of hunting near some some private

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Speaker 1: He actually blew through like a rock bog.

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Speaker 2: They were just like rotten wooden and blood kind of

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Speaker 2: But as soon as I picked up his rack, like, man,

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Speaker 2: where's this G two? Like he sure looked like a

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Speaker 2: Like literally on the last pass, I was just coming

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Speaker 1: But uh, it was cool man. It was a super

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Speaker 1: fun hunt. So yeah, that is awesome. Yeah, Sunday Sunday

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Speaker 1: seemed like there was pretty good activity. Uh here in Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Hollan and I was thinking the same thing. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I can't I'm not going to hear him at all. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: that's that's super cool man. Congratulations and I that's that's

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Speaker 1: a really fun and exciting time and probably a good

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Speaker 1: So you went and looked for the hot sign, you

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Speaker 1: or so, you already filled you know, archery tag in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: What would you you tell someone to pay really close

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Speaker 1: attention to over the over the next seven days, whether

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Speaker 1: it's specific sign, food, source, train, feature, tactic, what kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean look it into like October twenty

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Speaker 2: nine through those first couple days in November's that's like

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Speaker 2: my favorite time to hunt, especially as a public land guy.

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Speaker 2: Like that twenty nine thirty thirty, first those last few

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Speaker 2: So I always look like index on that, and I'll

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Speaker 2: I always like hitting scrapes that those last couple of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great advice. Are you you know you

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Speaker 2: I've had some good luck doing that, and I just

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Speaker 1: Of year to do it. Yeah, that's super cool. Now

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Speaker 1: Why is that? And I guess what's a hard rule

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Speaker 2: I much prefer to grunt to a dear that I

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Speaker 2: I'd almost prefer to be like, you know, seventy to

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like it well so in the

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Speaker 1: next seven days many people's favorite seven day stretch here

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Speaker 1: that we're getting to on a scale one to ten,

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Speaker 2: Where do you put it from one to ten? Man,

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Speaker 2: I am the eternal optimist. I'm actually going to go ten.

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Speaker 1: It is you know, you're you're looking.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like this is the week we've all been

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Speaker 2: I just did a quick look at the forecast. It

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Speaker 2: hitting those scrapes after that raining blows out, you know,

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Speaker 2: hunting mornings, hunting at evenings. I wouldn't really be worried

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that people should be thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Time on stand.

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Speaker 2: You just got to do it right now, so I

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Speaker 1: I love it, man. Well, good luck in Kansas. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: once again, what a sweet start the season, and I'm

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Speaker 1: wishing you the best.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man, I appreciate it all right.

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Speaker 3: How's the fa feels pretty good? You know those emotions

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Speaker 4: Like we were talking about, you know, I look at

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, but at the same time, I'm sitting here looking

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Speaker 3: you know, it's that emotional rollercoaster of hunting that you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, it feels good. It feels really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's awesome. So we you were on the

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Speaker 1: But what was your strategy and how did this come together?

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Speaker 1: Because I know it was a morning hunt you sent me.

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Speaker 3: This was my number two Plan B. Like, man, I

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Speaker 4: But at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Everybody in the entire area wants to kill him, and

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Speaker 3: I can't hold that against them. But I had some

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Speaker 3: shooting lanes. And I did not want to do that

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00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: that close to betting and go in there and alter it.

437
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 3: So what I did was I went, I broke the

438
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 3: licking branches off of these other two scrapes, and I

439
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: added a mock scrape in a previous shooting lane that

440
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: I had maintained there through a cell camera up over

441
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 3: it and got out of there, and a couple days

442
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 3: later this buck showed up, and then basically every four

443
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 3: or five days he's been in there, and I go

444
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 3: back and look at the data. You know, I like

445
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 3: to talk about those four key elements wind, pressure, food,

446
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: and timing. Wind is king, wind is always king, at

447
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: least for me, where I hunt high pressure dear. Everything

448
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 3: has to do the wind, how they move, where they

449
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 3: bed all this stuff, and the higher the pressure is,

450
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: the more they use the wind. So when I looked

451
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 3: at the trail cameray or the weather history and reference

452
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 3: the trail camera data, every time that buck was there,

453
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: there was either no wind or there was an east wind,

454
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 3: which plays right into the theories I also put together

455
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 3: without bucks, you know, they like that wind coming from

456
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: a potential threat. That's why they like to bed with

457
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 3: their wind at their back, and then they get the

458
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: thermals rising up in their face and the east wind

459
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 3: would have been pushing from the farm into this betting area.

460
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: And the theory behind that, or at least what makes

461
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: sense to me, is that those bucks are there on

462
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 3: that wind because then they they can surveil what's coming

463
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 3: from the farm. They hear all that noise all the time,

464
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: but how do they know if that noise is just noise,

465
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: or if it's noise associated with a threat that's coming

466
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: towards them or whatnot. Right when they have that wind,

467
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: then they can smell all the things that are going

468
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: on and decipher that. And you know, the way that

469
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: their nose and their brain works is way different from ours, right,

470
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: So however they figure that out, I don't know. But

471
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: and it wasn't like he was there every single time

472
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 3: there was an east wind, but he was only ever

473
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: there on an east wind or no win.

474
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 4: So I went back to the farm.

475
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 3: This last Thursday night or Thursday afternoon, checked a handful

476
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: of cameras on the fringes of this area, trying to

477
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: get a game plan put together, knowing that we had

478
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: this cold front and things we're going to be picking

479
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: up here. And I always try to scout from the

480
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,239
Speaker 3: outside D hunt from the outside D. I don't want

481
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 3: to go any deeper than I have to, even though

482
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: I knew a couple of spots. I'm like, I think

483
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: I can get in there and kill this deer, but

484
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: it's high risk, and I didn't know if it was

485
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 3: worth the risk that early in the season, because if

486
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: you don't have the encountery need, or he gets by

487
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: you and busts you, he's not going to be back

488
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: there again.

489
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 4: Just too much pressure. It's one and done. This time

490
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 4: you're with these bucks.

491
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 3: So I went back on third scouted from the outside,

492
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 3: checked these cameras, and then I slipped down and did

493
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: an observation sit scanned food plot, saw some bucks, not

494
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: the buck I was looking for, but the whole time

495
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: I could hear a buck grunting, and obviously I don't

496
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: know if it was him, but he was making this

497
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: like really aggressive like huffing, almost like a gorilla noise,

498
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: like if you can envision that noise that the gorillas make,

499
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: like the huffing.

500
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 4: He would drunt and he would make that noise.

501
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 3: I heard it three or four different times throughout the evening,

502
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: and I slipped back out of that valley and drove

503
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 3: all the way home. Had smaller stuff going on, had

504
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 3: to get all wrapped up, got up at two thirty

505
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: in the morning, got some stuff ready, drove all the

506
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: way back down, and I was a little bit late

507
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: getting down there, but I got in and I hung

508
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: the stand the day I hung the cell camera, so

509
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: I was already set up for it, which saved me

510
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: a little bit.

511
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 4: It's easy access.

512
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: Slipped in there, got in the stand, and sure enough,

513
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: right away in the morning start seeing movement down the valley.

514
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: Mostly I can look down behind me and there's some

515
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: deer moving around. And then I had three doughs work

516
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 3: up into this betting area. And that's what makes me

517
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: really nervous. Well, there's two issues with that. Is One,

518
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: usually when I hunt this close to betting, I commit

519
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: to an all day sit because if these deer come

520
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: in and bed down close to me, I don't want

521
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 3: to bump them because if I bump them, I burn

522
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 3: a pressure credit. In that area, you can only bump

523
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: them a couple times. And then that betting area is

524
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: not nearly as secure to them. They're not there, the

525
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: bucks aren't there. So I was really nervous. But I

526
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: had prior obligations that afternoon, so I couldn't commit to

527
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 3: an all day sit, so I was really kind of

528
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 3: going for it in the spot right And then on

529
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: top of it, it's very close to our cabin, so

530
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 3: these guys are showing up to hunt, So it's going

531
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: to change the dynamic in that valley anyway. But these

532
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: dos come in. There's three generations. There was a dough faon,

533
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 3: last year's dough faon, and the old nanny dough, and

534
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, just the experience that comes with age was

535
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 3: very apparent. The little dough comes in and instantly like

536
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: beds down like five feet from the base of my

537
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: tree behind me. The other dough comes in and she's

538
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: kind of checking things out a little bit more apprehensive,

539
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: doesn't really catch on. The big dough comes in and

540
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: she is just like scanning every single nooking cranny, every tree,

541
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: and she picked me out immediately.

542
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 4: Something's different. Okay, it's not moving. I think we're okay.

543
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: You know, that's after a fifteen minute stare down and

544
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: I strategically normally I hang my pack low so I

545
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: can reach it when I'm sitting, but in this situation,

546
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 3: I hung it off my bow hanger so that I

547
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: broke up my background a little bit more up in

548
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: the tree and kind of gave me some cover. So ultimately,

549
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: these dos they're hanging out in there, and the little

550
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: one's bedded. The next one up in age was just

551
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: betted down, and then the nanny was still kind of

552
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: milling around browsing, and I hear this like gorilla huffing again,

553
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, and then the scrunt, and I'm like, oh,

554
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: you know, in my brain, I already painted the picture.

555
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: That that's got to be this buck, right, So I'm like, okay.

556
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: I'm looking, looking, looking, And I'd seen a couple other

557
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: bucks milling around, so I knew they were on their feet.

558
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 3: But I had to make the decision at that point,

559
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: do I pull up my bino's and risk bumping these

560
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: do or do I sit still longer? And you know,

561
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: that internal debate lasted about thirty seconds, and I was like, well,

562
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna if these doughs are gonna bust me,

563
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: which inevitably they're going to as soon as I reached

564
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: for my bow, it's easy to make a move on

565
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: one single deer, just washing what they're doing, moving when

566
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: they move stuff like that. But I knew I was

567
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: gonna get busted, so I had to do it sooner

568
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 3: rather than later.

569
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 4: The wind was good.

570
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: These doughs weren't gonna smell me unless they circled up

571
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: around me. And where this buck was coming from. He

572
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: wasn't gonnamell me until he circled down.

573
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: So I brought up my.

574
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 3: Bios in just that subtle movement, you know, I went

575
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: like this, but I wasn't looking through my binos. I'm

576
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: looking at this dough and right away she's just on me.

577
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 3: So I actually what I did is I just put

578
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 3: my hand down behind the tree and I just started

579
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: flagging my hand to make her nervous. And they kind

580
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 3: of spooked, like really fast, and they ran about halfway

581
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: down the hill and blew a couple.

582
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: Of times, and then they left. And the buck then

583
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: I had my.

584
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: Binyls on and I'm watching him and he's, you know,

585
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: he's ears up on alert, just looking trying to figure

586
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: it out. But he can't smell me. And these deer

587
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: are so switched on on this farm. They're you know,

588
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: when I was watching that observation plot the night before,

589
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: I had two or three different times deer would blow

590
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: out of the plot and blow and they were spooked

591
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: by other deer coming from like the creek bottom and stuff,

592
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: so on edge.

593
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 4: They're always on edge. And anyway, so this buck, you know,

594
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 4: it didn't.

595
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 3: Deter him, It just put him on high alert, and

596
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, from the time I saw him to the

597
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: time he got into bow range was probably eight or

598
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 3: ten minutes. You know, mature bucks do that, right, they stand,

599
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: They just surveil the situation for a long time, licking

600
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: their nose, smelling the air, all that stuff. So he

601
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: kind of worked his way in and I didn't even

602
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: grab my bow. It was one of the few times

603
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a shoot first, video second kind of guy.

604
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 4: M but I and I had really only video for.

605
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: My own personal you know, like challenge and the satisfaction

606
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: of like showing that. I mean, I sent you the video,

607
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: and that's really all I do is show it to

608
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: like close friends most of the time, and and use

609
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: it for educational purposes for my clients. I was like, Okay,

610
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let him come in. I'm in a

611
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: really good situation. He's going to commit to that. It

612
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: was like a dialed in, fine tuned situation, Like it's

613
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: not like the panic, where do I think he's going

614
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: to be.

615
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: So I videoed and then you know, grab my bow.

616
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: When I was ready to take the shot, and twenty

617
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: five yards perfect shot. He didn't know what hit him.

618
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: I didn't have to stop him. He wasn't on alert.

619
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: He ran thirty yards and kind of settled in a

620
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: little bit and just tipped over and.

621
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: Like, okay, that's awesome. Okay, it's over right.

622
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: H And then you know that's when the flood of

623
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: emotions really hit. And for me, I don't really get

624
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: buck fever until after. You know, it's like you just

625
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 3: try to Okay, it's that deer.

626
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: I know that's a deer.

627
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: I want to shoot now, and focused on watching his

628
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: eyes and moving when he's not looking at me, doing

629
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: all the things I need to and I double checked

630
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: my range, you know. I was just like kind of

631
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: working through everything like I've got time, take my time.

632
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: All this stuff came and you just just played out perfectly.

633
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: So man, that is awesome. If the footage is really

634
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: sick and so real quick. So October twenty ninth to

635
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: November fifth, what is the most important thing for people

636
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: to pay attention to if they are maybe they're hunting

637
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: this upcoming weekend, maybe they're starting their vocation, there was

638
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: one thing for these people to focus in on. Whether

639
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: it's a speed scout, whether it's an observation sit, whether

640
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: it's a food source, a terrain feature. What is the

641
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: single most important thing right now as things start to

642
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: ramp up even more.

643
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: There's two strategies I would employ the same, which is

644
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: what I was in the process of doing. You know,

645
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: this buck and my other main target book their territories

646
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: overlap quite a bit, so I was still pursuing my

647
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 3: number one buck, but number two just happened to kind

648
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: of fall right on top of there, which worked out

649
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: really well for me. But that main strategy, I'm really

650
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: looking at those primary scrapes. Scrapes next to doe betting

651
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: areas are going to be your best friend, and you

652
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: have to get out in scout. You absolutely have to

653
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: get out in scout. You know, if your camera is

654
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: in the right spot, then you know do because you're

655
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: getting the activity on it right. But if you're not

656
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: getting the activity you want, case in point what I

657
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: did where I destroyed a couple of those scrapes and

658
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: hunt a camera over one scrape in this area. All

659
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: the bucks coming and going from this one spot, we're

660
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: checking that scrape. You know, are they checking it every

661
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: time they walk through the area. Absolutely not, but they

662
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: are occasionally checking it, and that gives you that temp check.

663
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: But if you don't go out and scout, you're gonna

664
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: have a problem. And actually, after I killed this buck,

665
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: the next morning, I went out and I checked a

666
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: couple of other cameras a little bit deeper that I

667
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't have checked. And you know, if I didn't see

668
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: him on Friday morning, then I would have went and

669
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: slipped into these spots at the timing I thought would

670
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: be the least, you know, invasive, like when deer aren't

671
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: going to be there. Maybe it's in the middle of

672
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: the night, maybe it's in the middle of the day,

673
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, just certain wind direction, whatever it might be.

674
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: But I really want to make sure I'm getting the

675
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: intel off these scrapes because they're all these communication hubs,

676
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: and these bucks right now are moving all over the place,

677
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: and they're they're leaving their signature, they're communicating, they're doing

678
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: all these things with these other other deer in mind.

679
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: But ultimately it's you know, what other bucks are in

680
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: the area and what does are coming into heat. So

681
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: that's the first thing I make sure I'm getting my

682
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: intel from those communication hubs. And then the second thing

683
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: is I'm looking at my historic data, like you know,

684
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: or do that first? Essentially, right, like, where do you

685
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: anticipate these bucks being this time of year?

686
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: And it's so is so consistent every time.

687
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: If if you had a lot of mature buck activity

688
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: and a certain pinch point on your property last year

689
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: and it's not there this year, it's because something changed

690
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: on the landscape, right, pressure went up, food quality went down.

691
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: You know, something's changed.

692
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: But if those things remain the same, expect that consistent

693
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: activity and on our farm, I've got to dialed into

694
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: where I know, like this specific betting area is really good.

695
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: From the twenty third until about the thirtieth, those bucks

696
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: are checking hard in there and at that point most

697
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: of those dos, you know, they've already been bred and

698
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: then they're kind of moving on. So if you missed

699
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: that window of opportunity, then you're looking for the next

700
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: betting area, you know, and is that I also understand

701
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: that a lot of people don't have acreage where they're

702
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: bouncing here and bouncing there right where you Really that

703
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: analogy I use all the time is it's like duck

704
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 3: outing now the chimney of your cabin, right, Like, if

705
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: the pressure and the food aren't controlled, you've got a

706
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: really narrow window opportunity. The same goal is like, if

707
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: you don't have you know, a lot of diversity and

708
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: food sources, which comes with having a smaller property.

709
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: It's a very narrow window. Do you really want to

710
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: dial that in?

711
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 3: But you can see on our farm like it's this

712
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: week here, it's that week there, you know, and you're

713
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: kind of bouncing around and I'll follow the same bucks

714
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: from different areas a lot of times.

715
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: So for someone that does not, maybe they're hunting a

716
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: brand new spot. Maybe they're just struggling and like, man,

717
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: something changed my area and this should be good, but

718
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: it has not been good. You would say, go in

719
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: and strategically, guilt free do some scouting.

720
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: I always, you know again, I always encourage scout from

721
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: the outside in. So if I'm going out and scouting

722
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: mid season, it's not just with reckless abandonment.

723
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Right.

724
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: And this is the big thing I see guys make

725
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: that mistake is I'm not getting pictures on my trail camera.

726
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Screw it.

727
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna jump on the ATV and go buzz

728
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: out there quick. Well, you just screwed up the whole picture, right.

729
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: One of these other trail cameras that I just checked

730
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: for this buck. When I went in there, there was

731
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: another scrape that had opened up a tree.

732
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: Broken branch fell off of a tree.

733
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: And got snagged down a branch on the way down

734
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: and it basically made another liking branch. So there was

735
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: two scrapes ten feet apart, so the same thing. I

736
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: just broke off that branch and then they you know,

737
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: they were using bolt scrapes still, but you just don't

738
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: know if the licking branch gets broken off of that

739
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: one and the new one opens up. So if you

740
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: don't go out and scout, you don't know. So if

741
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: you're not getting the intel, go a little bit deeper.

742
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: But what I would.

743
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: Strongly strongly recommend, you know, and looking at the forecast

744
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: at least here southwestern Wisconsin, well, by the time this

745
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: comes out, it's gonna be a day after the rain

746
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: that's in the forecast, and then after that it looks

747
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: pretty consistent. But you know, I'm looking for a rainy

748
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: day or a high wind day to do my most

749
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: aggressive scouting. And I would take the windy days over

750
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: anything because you can really get away with a lot

751
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: when the winds moved.

752
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the time, Yeah, Yeah.

753
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: A mutual friend of ours actually just sent me a

754
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: text the other day where he was trying to scout

755
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: in an area and walked up on a bedded three

756
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: year old buck. Right, it was a windier day. They

757
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: bed pretty tight, and I see that too. Look for

758
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 3: those windy days, look for those rainy days. If you

759
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 3: don't find those days, then I'm carrying a tree stand

760
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: on my back. I'm going out there. I'm scouting my

761
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: way in, or if it's a morning, i'm looking at

762
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: a map. I'm scouting with what I know, the best

763
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: theory I can come up with. I'm gonna start here.

764
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get in this tree before daybreak, and then

765
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: I can observe an area. And now I know that

766
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: you know that deer went into there, That deer went

767
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: into there. I'm gonna move a little bit deeper once

768
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: I get down from my stand. And now i'm gonna

769
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: you know, I've got a cell cam in my backpack

770
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: or regular cam my backpack.

771
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: I'm moving in.

772
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: I'm scouting fresh sign, Fresh sign, fresh sign. Okay, here's

773
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: a primary scrape that cover there. I watch those dos

774
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: go into it. I watched that buck push that dough

775
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: into it. Here's a scrape on the outside. Boom dropping

776
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: that camera and I'm trying to figure out where's in

777
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: the best spot to hunt right here, but are with

778
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: wind directions to hunt it? And I'm getting out of there,

779
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: and I'm looking for that you know, those conditions the

780
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: next three to five days, and then I'm you know,

781
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: I'm looking for that next and while you're there, move

782
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: that stand like this.

783
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: It's a big thing.

784
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: A lot of it's just the details and the ambition involved, right,

785
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: Like I've been there before, Like, ah, I'll just wait,

786
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: I'll get confirmation that I get pictures on that camera

787
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: before I hang the stand. Well, you're already there, you're

788
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: already making a commotion. Or maybe it is one of

789
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: those windy days. Pull that stand down, move it to

790
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: that tree where you can shoot that scrape so that

791
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: when you get that picture.

792
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 4: Of that book, all you have to worry about is

793
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: getting there before he gets there the next time around.

794
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is the reminder, don't be lazy, get

795
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: out there and make it happen, but still be calculated,

796
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: like to boil it down. That's kind of what I hear.

797
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because we are reaching the climax of the season

798
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: very quickly. Right, things are going to peek here and

799
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: then we're going to all go into deer depression the

800
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: dark short days of winter. So you're either going to

801
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: be there and sitting and looking at you know, how

802
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: your season panned out, yep, or or you're going to

803
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: be wondering what could have been if you would have

804
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 3: made that move?

805
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: Right?

806
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: How many days you know the stories I've told you,

807
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: how many times I've stood at the bottom of that hill,

808
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: the tree stand on my back and just went, Man.

809
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: It's been a long season. I'm tired.

810
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: I should be at home getting stuff done. I should

811
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: be spending time with my family. We've already wasted that

812
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: much time, and it is. It is a waste if

813
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: you don't push a little bit more, right, Yeah, Or

814
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 3: you just don't know.

815
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: Because anything can happen at any minute this time of year.

816
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: Put yourself in the best situation possible and don't let

817
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: any form of laziness.

818
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 5: Hold you back.

819
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: You know, it's easy to say that, right, I mean, yeah,

820
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: everyone on the.

821
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I still got to go out there trying

822
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: to kill Yeah.

823
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: I slept in today, man, I got up and then

824
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: I went back to bed.

825
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm good, well, Thomas, congratulations once again.

826
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate you hopping on here and I think those

827
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: are some great words of encouragement and I will have

828
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: to stay in touch here and yeah, thank you, sir,

829
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: congratulations once again.

830
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 4: Thank you.

831
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: Take care all right. Next up on the line, we

832
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: have Brett Smith from wild Life Whitetail Land Management Services

833
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: calling in from Wisconsin. Sir, I've been torturing every guest

834
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: with the trivia question, so we're just gonna rip the

835
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: banded off right now. What year was there the record

836
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: amount of deer harvested in the state of Wisconsin. I

837
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: feel like Wisconsin's kind of a unique state too, because

838
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: of what they had done shortly after this time period.

839
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: So because there was a pretty big decline in deer

840
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: populations based off of a state management practice.

841
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 6: I remember reading this, but like, there's no date that's

842
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 6: even coming remotely close to close to mind, I want

843
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 6: to say it was semi recently, but given what you

844
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 6: just said, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just going to throw

845
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 6: a number out there, but the way off, I'm gonna

846
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 6: say two thousand and fifteen.

847
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: Your way off, You're fifteen years off. Two thousand the

848
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: year two thousand was the record amount of deer harvested.

849
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 5: Given it away, Okay, yeah.

850
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, thousand. There was six hundred and eighteen thousand deer

851
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: harvested in the state of Wisconsin and the lowest lowest

852
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: total on recorded history, which is Wisconsin. That's probably the

853
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: richest hunting heritage out of all the states, in my opinion,

854
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: was twenty five hundred in the year eighteen ninety seven.

855
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 5: That's insane, dude.

856
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, how's what's the deer? What's been? Like, it's

857
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: it's it's getting to fever pitch status here. You know

858
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: when this is going live. It's October twenty ninth, and

859
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: so this report, here's the twenty ninth to the fifth, Like,

860
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: this is arguably one of the weeks everyone has earmarked

861
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: for since last year. So where are you at, where's

862
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: your head at? What have you been seeing? What's the

863
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: game plan?

864
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll pick that late October over November any day

865
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 6: if I had to be honestly, But you know, if

866
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 6: I had to be honest, like trail cameras you know,

867
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 6: are slow, but we know, like we know these bucks exist.

868
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: I had them early season.

869
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 6: It's just time to get out there, so Kentucky farm

870
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 6: I got a real one of my Kentucky farmers. I

871
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 6: got a real, real and solid, like five year old

872
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 6: I'm after. I bought some ground over in like where

873
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 6: I used to live in Kentucky. Got some dang good

874
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 6: deer over there. Got some nighttime photos of some good

875
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 6: bucks in southwest Wisconsin and around home.

876
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: You know, we just got some some average bucks around here.

877
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 6: They're around, but like nothing that's gotten me super jacked yet.

878
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean they're not there. We know from

879
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 6: trail cameras, like you're just not catching everything. So they're there.

880
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 6: They exist.

881
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: That's all that really matters to me.

882
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what have you seen an influx of activity

883
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: on scrapes? Have you? I mean, what, where's the white

884
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: tail psyche right now? Or I guess the buck psyche

885
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: in your opinion.

886
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, the cameras that are still going off for me,

887
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 6: like consistently are those ones in the bedroom, and I'm

888
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 6: monitoring scrapes closest to the bedroom, Like I have mox

889
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 6: scrapes that I've made in food plot scrapes and stuff

890
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 6: like that, exterior.

891
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: Ones outside of that bedroom.

892
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 6: But I always talk about that first scrape outside the bedroom,

893
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 6: like that's generally the not the most huntable, but the

894
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 6: one you should probably hunt. Like that's what I'm monitoring

895
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 6: right now. And also in those bedrooms, like it's still

896
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 6: a lot of bedroom activity, at least for me me.

897
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 5: Not a lot of food plot daylight stuff going on.

898
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 5: Not yet.

899
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: What if you had to tell someone said, hey, Brett,

900
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: I've never shot a wallhanger yet, whatever that is, whatever

901
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: that is to whoever is listening to this, no matter

902
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: where they're from. And I have October twenty nine to

903
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: November fifth, what is the one tactic? What is the

904
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: one strategy that is going to have me have legitimate

905
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: opportunity versus throwing a dark Do.

906
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 5: You remember the strategy we've talked about in the past.

907
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: I remember, I've pretty good memory. But go ahead and

908
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: tell everyone.

909
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 5: Guard at your areas of congregation.

910
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 6: That might be a clear cut in your neck of

911
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 6: the woods, and it might be a crop field, it

912
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 6: might be a food plot.

913
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: Find the sign.

914
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 6: Along the along the exterior of that food plot or

915
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 6: wherever that area of congregation is. It might take you

916
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 6: two or three tries, but try and follow that back

917
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 6: to your to the betting area that like you're picturing

918
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 6: in your head, and maybe you've never been to this

919
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 6: area before, and maybe you have, but like try and

920
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 6: look at a map even prior and say, I think

921
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 6: the dear, you know, educated guests are probably better here.

922
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 6: So we started the area of congregation, We're gonna find

923
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 6: a little bit of sign and we're start following it

924
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 6: back to the areas that we want to go or

925
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: towards that direction of love. Betting, we're gonna start running

926
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 6: within about one hundred hundred and fifty less yards or less,

927
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 6: we're gonna start running into generally double sided rubs. When

928
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 6: I see double sided rubs, like to me, that means

929
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 6: a buck's coming and going. Like he's on the tree

930
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: trunk trail, that tree will branch out. We're on that

931
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 6: last trail that heads into the bedroom. Generally I'm paying

932
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 6: attention as I'm walking down that trail. I'm looking for

933
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 6: licking branches, and this time of year, I'm looking for

934
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 6: the scrape closest to his bedroom.

935
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 5: And how do you know where his bedroom is?

936
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 6: One of two ways, it's either condensed rubs of you know,

937
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 6: condensed sign of ten fifteen twelve rubs, or you see

938
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: the buck and this time, you're I don't mind bumping

939
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 6: him like, I'll go in there like I'd rather be

940
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 6: sure that he's there. He probably comes back tomorrow, if

941
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 6: not later that day. And I'm setting up on that

942
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 6: first scrape outside the bed off wind when I access

943
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 6: that spot, I'm doing I'm doing it so I'm even

944
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 6: I sent off that trail on parallel paralleling that trail on.

945
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: The way in.

946
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 6: That's that's the most like step by step plan that

947
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 6: I that I follow when finding a lot of these books.

948
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 5: Public, private, doesn't matter.

949
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good starting point for

950
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: someone just to dive in and key in on that,

951
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: because there's so much anticipation for this time of year,

952
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, there's a lot of people that say, hey,

953
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: it's it's just luck, right, But there's people that find

954
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: success most years. Obviously there's luck involved, but I feel

955
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: like that's an awesome foundation for someone to break that

956
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: down whatever that is to them, no matter where they're at,

957
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: and you.

958
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 6: Might kill them in those areas of congregation this time

959
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 6: year like that, you might not have to go far,

960
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 6: but at least now you have that intel for future

961
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 6: years if you want to go make an early season play,

962
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 6: a late season play.

963
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: You understand the pattern, you know where to go.

964
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: So as if you can name maybe two food sources

965
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: for October twenty nine to the fifth, I don't think

966
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of the country we'll probably have a

967
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: hard frost yet. So with that in mind, what two

968
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: food sources. Maybe think of a big Woods food source

969
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: and then think of a more country food source that

970
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: you favor throughout this period of time.

971
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 5: If I'm hunting the egg country, I'm hunting alfelfa.

972
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: And if you plant in food plots maybe clover, chickory,

973
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 6: alfalfa like perennial plots. Man, that's that's the king, and

974
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 6: we all like to get fancy that now that you

975
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: need to have that. But if you can find a

976
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 6: good hayfield freshly cut corn this time of year, people

977
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 6: are combining. So if you're in an egg country monitoring that,

978
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 6: I mean, you're gonna see a lot of deer in

979
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 6: either one of those fields. If I'm in if I'm

980
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: in the big Woods, this is starting to start.

981
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 7: You know.

982
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 6: If I'm in the big Woods, I'm picturing maybe I'm

983
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 6: a little bit farther north.

984
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 5: Maybe not.

985
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 6: But if I can get on red Oaks and red

986
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 6: okay coins. I'm a big fan of those. As the

987
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 6: season progresses, and I've seen some insane like almost food

988
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 6: plotting activity digging up in the snow as the season

989
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 6: progresses on red oaks. But otherwise you're clearcuts and your

990
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 6: white oaks. Man, let's not overthink it, like you just

991
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: got to be out there at the end of the day.

992
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 6: But big woods. I throw the red oaks out there,

993
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 6: the clear cuts and the white oaks, and then you

994
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 6: know elfelfa and corn. If you're the private land or

995
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 6: egg country guy.

996
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: M h.

997
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: What As far as this time period, I'm trying to

998
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: because I want to give as much value to people

999
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: because this is like a lot of people there's season

1000
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: rides over the next three weeks, whether they're successful or not.

1001
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: And that's the reality for many people, myself included. It's

1002
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: like I could start to get nervous over these next

1003
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: three weeks I don't connect with something, so there's a

1004
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: lot of self pressure here. Do you have any mental

1005
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: things that have for people to have in the back

1006
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: of their mind. Obviously I mind is don't get pinched up, like, remember,

1007
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: this is what you enjoy. But do you have any

1008
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: other mental mental things that they need to keep in mind.

1009
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: As you know, there's level of excitement and then a

1010
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: level of frustration if you have don't have success throughout

1011
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: some of this time period.

1012
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 5: First of all, just breathe, man, this is what we

1013
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 5: love to do.

1014
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 6: The media side of things makes us all feel like

1015
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 6: we got to live up to somebody's else's standard.

1016
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: Go have fun. Go have fun, like more than anything, man.

1017
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 6: But if I had to be honest with you, if

1018
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 6: I had to get on the tactical side of it,

1019
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 6: like remember that mentally, like you do this because you

1020
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: have fun, Like you feel like you have to go hunting,

1021
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 6: you have to go hunting, and half to hunting like

1022
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 6: maybe chill maybe not this time yere, but like yeah,

1023
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 6: think about it that way. But from a tactical perspective,

1024
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 6: use trail cameras as a tool, but do not do

1025
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 6: not like bank on them. Be out there, and I'll

1026
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 6: tell you right now, I hunt the wrong wind even

1027
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 6: a lot of times being out there, because those aren't

1028
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 6: consistently coming from the areas that they were early season

1029
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 6: when you expected them to come from X y Z area,

1030
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 6: So you hunted it on this win. I've hunted my

1031
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 6: best spots on the exact wrong win. Guess what the

1032
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 6: bucks coming like, they come in from a different direction.

1033
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 6: So here you are, you're sitting on the coach because

1034
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 6: the wind wasn't Now this is the time of year, guys,

1035
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 6: go because I gang out there ain't gonna kill them.

1036
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 5: Bottom up.

1037
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Must be present to win this time of year, and.

1038
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 6: I have to, and it's ingrained in our head. Play

1039
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 6: the wind, play the wind, Play the wind, and pay

1040
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 6: attention to the wind. Try and be strategic as possible.

1041
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 6: Don't go out there willy nilly. Pay attention to your

1042
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 6: thermals and stuff, but don't be afraid to hunt on

1043
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 6: the wrong wind.

1044
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. As far as vocalizations, grunting, snartweeze, rattling, where

1045
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: does that fall within your your bag of tricks this

1046
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: time of year.

1047
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 6: I'm keeping them all in the pocket until that bucket

1048
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 6: unless that like, if that buck isn't naturally coming my way,

1049
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 6: then I'm busting them out.

1050
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: Now.

1051
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 5: It depends on the state. Like in a state like Wisconsin,

1052
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: I don't even carry rattling antlers.

1053
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 6: Maybe I'll bust out some rattling antlers in the In

1054
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 6: the big buck states, you know occasionally if I'm bored

1055
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 6: or things are slow, unless it be realistic, But otherwise, like,

1056
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 6: I'm not probably busting out blind calls because those big

1057
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 6: bucks are smart to a certain extent and they're gonna

1058
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 6: get down and win. If you're going to catch them

1059
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 6: off guard, it's to be this time of year. You know,

1060
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 6: you get away with it. Maybe they don't come in

1061
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 6: down win, but keep the calls in your pockets. Unless

1062
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 6: you feel like you're not going to get that opportunity,

1063
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 6: do your best to bring that deer in and if

1064
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 6: you're in a big buck stake, crack them together from

1065
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 6: time to time and see what happens.

1066
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 5: It's always fun.

1067
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: Let me rune in a really quick scenario. Pass you

1068
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: October twenty fifth. You got a picture of a buck

1069
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: you've never got before, showed up on a scrape middle

1070
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: of the night. What are the odds are you riding

1071
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: that one piece of breadcrumb throughout this next week or

1072
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: is in the back of your mind are you abandoning it?

1073
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: And this think of the guy that is w killed

1074
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: good buck too.

1075
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't care when I get the pictures.

1076
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: I'm that guy. Like everybody waits for daylight pictures. You

1077
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 6: know how many times they walk find these things. You

1078
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 6: know he exists, get out there and hunt, and that's

1079
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 6: what I'll say. So you know, it's one photo, but

1080
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 6: he might have been there for three four days. Hell,

1081
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 6: I got a deer that just showed back up a

1082
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 6: neighbor sent me a picture of them, or five, six,

1083
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 6: seven days ago.

1084
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 5: He's been there.

1085
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 6: So yeah, it might be a breadcrumb, but in reality,

1086
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 6: like the whole puzzle might be taking place on your

1087
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 6: property and just steps around around those trail cameras. So

1088
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 6: lean into it. If you know he's there, that's all

1089
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 6: you need to know. This is the time you got

1090
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 6: to be out there. He exists, Go hunt, go kill him.

1091
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: I like it. Any other party words of advice, have.

1092
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 6: Fun, have fun, shoot straight, breathe, don't black out, and

1093
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 6: don't trust in those trail cameras and uh yeah, man,

1094
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 6: just have fun.

1095
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Go get them. I love it. Good luck, Brett, Appreciate it.

1096
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 5: Appreciate it, man. All right.

1097
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: Next up on line, we have F. Thomas from New York.

1098
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: How's everything going in the Empire State. It's going great, man,

1099
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: it's going good. Have you been out much here? Legly?

1100
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: What have you been seeing.

1101
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 7: So I mean getting out as much as I can.

1102
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 8: You know, I got a two year old and a

1103
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 8: three year old at home, so I'm trying to pick

1104
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 8: my spots and make sure that when I when I

1105
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 8: do hit the woods, that you know, things are right

1106
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 8: and I'm going to a good spot with the right conditions.

1107
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 8: But I've been able to see, uh, you know firsthand

1108
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 8: some of the behavior uh changing over the last couple

1109
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 8: of weeks.

1110
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 7: You know, last week, Friday.

1111
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 8: Morning was gonna be the coldest morning in kind of

1112
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 8: a ten day span, and I wanted to hit the

1113
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 8: woods and you know, I've been looking forward to it

1114
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 8: the whole work week, and then something came up last

1115
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 8: minute and I had to cancel that because of work,

1116
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 8: and so it was it was Thursday afternoon or nothing.

1117
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 8: And uh, I said to my wife, and you know,

1118
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 8: you're gonna be okay without me, And she just sent

1119
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 8: me the the meme of Independence Day with the president

1120
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 8: talking to Augy one said we will survive, and uh

1121
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 8: so that's all I needed. And you know, work ended

1122
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 8: and I was in the back of the truck getting

1123
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 8: geared up, and uh, I said to my buddy Dan,

1124
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 8: I go, oh, the only thing I don't have is

1125
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 8: my black rack.

1126
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 7: And he went in the shop and pulled out just

1127
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 7: a little set of of.

1128
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 8: Antlers off a tiny little basket six point I said.

1129
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: You want to take these?

1130
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 8: And I said, day, it's better than nothing, And that

1131
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 8: ended up coming in handy.

1132
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 7: I was hunting the edge of a little winter wheat field.

1133
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 8: It was just a little panhandle of the bigger field

1134
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 8: that has woods on three sides. And a button buck

1135
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 8: came out, and then a spike came out, and I.

1136
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 7: Said, all right, well we're moving in the right direction here, uh.

1137
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 7: And then a dole and a yearling, and then.

1138
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 8: A shooter came out. And this was, you know, a

1139
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 8: solid half hour before sunset. And I just let him

1140
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 8: go and he fed in the winter wheat. You know,

1141
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 8: that was the only thing that he cared about. And

1142
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 8: after a while I said, all right, it's not gonna

1143
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 8: happen naturally. I got to go to the bag of

1144
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 8: tricks and I under at him. A little bit could

1145
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 8: not have carried less, and I pulled out those two

1146
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 8: little sheds and up tight against the tree, and I'm

1147
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 8: looking over at him, you know, with looking over my

1148
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 8: shoulder at him, watching him and I'm just tickling those

1149
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 8: antlers together. As soon as he heard him, he lifted

1150
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 8: his head right up, started right in my direction, and

1151
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 8: then went back to feeding. And I did that two

1152
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 8: or three times until I really really gave it to

1153
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 8: the antlers as loud as I can make those things go.

1154
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 8: And he dropped what he was doing. He started coming

1155
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 8: across the field, and if he had come right for me,

1156
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 8: it would have worked out perfect.

1157
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 7: You know, he covered the distance he needed to cover.

1158
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 8: But you know, these these bucks are smart, and he

1159
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 8: caught a little bit of an angle just enough to

1160
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 8: get down winded me, and you know he he froze

1161
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 8: up about twenty yards off the edge of the woods,

1162
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 8: about forty yards away from me, and I didn't have

1163
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 8: a shot, and you know, he took off.

1164
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 7: But that was a cool encounter to see.

1165
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 8: You know, he didn't really care about the dough in

1166
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 8: the field, you know, he did, don't really care about

1167
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 8: the grounds. But you heard a couple other bucks that

1168
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 8: were we're playing around, and that got him interested.

1169
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's exciting, man. That's a that you're rattling

1170
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: antlers for everyone listening. Are hilarious. That's awesome.

1171
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 7: Actually, I use them to train my dog for his headhuntings.

1172
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 8: So they're they're chewed up, they got keieth marks all

1173
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 8: over them, but you know they did what.

1174
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 7: They needed to do that day, that's for sure.

1175
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's that's super awesome. So what I've been

1176
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: doing here with each guest, I've been uh making up

1177
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: trivia question each each step of the way. And you're

1178
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: gonna get a hard one. So I'm sorry, what year,

1179
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: what year, or any information that you can tell me

1180
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: about the typical state record for New York. You can

1181
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: either say the county, the year, or the score. Because

1182
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: this is it's a it's a hard one. I think

1183
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: people will find maybe a little bit interesting. So this

1184
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: is a typical state record.

1185
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, So I'm gonna go down in the southern

1186
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 8: part of the state.

1187
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go stupin county the year.

1188
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 8: Why do I want to I want to think that

1189
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 8: this is like a legendary buck of classic bucks. I'm

1190
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 8: gonna go like seventy three and the score, you know,

1191
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 8: I mean it might surprise uh, it might surprise even me.

1192
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go like one eight five.

1193
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So it was in a hopefully I pronounce this correctly,

1194
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: Alleghany a lll e Okay, that's right down there. And

1195
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: it was a nineteen thirty nine. Okay, this is a

1196
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: very very old record and it scored one ninety eight

1197
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: and three eights inch just uh not typical, which I

1198
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: don't I'd have to google this year because I don't

1199
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: know what dear it is off the top of my head.

1200
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: But what a uh that's And what's interesting too is

1201
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: the non typical record was the same year, nineteen thirty nine,

1202
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: and it was a two forty four non typical. So

1203
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: Alleghany in nineteen thirty nine was the place to be.

1204
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.

1205
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's a long time ago. So right now. Obviously,

1206
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: you know you had a really good hunt and you

1207
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: were able to you know, call in a buck to

1208
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: the bubble, like really really close to having it come together. Obviously,

1209
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: it's a very exciting time of year. It's October twenty ninth.

1210
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: It's like peak anticipation. People are still super fresh for

1211
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: the next week. What are you keen in on when

1212
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: you get an opportunity to go? How are you prioritizing sits?

1213
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: Because it's only seven days and once the seven days

1214
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: are gone, it's like maximizing each day in opportunities. What

1215
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: top of mind for everyone's how are you going to

1216
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: do that?

1217
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 8: So I have you know, I have about three hundred

1218
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 8: acres of private land that I have access of permission

1219
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 8: to hunt, and those are spread out over you know,

1220
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 8: a two hour drive across the state. Some of them

1221
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 8: are as small as seventeen that are just door knocking permission,

1222
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 8: and some of them, you know, my folks farm out

1223
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 8: in Wayne County. You know, that's like one hundred and

1224
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 8: forty acres. So I kind of get to you know,

1225
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 8: there's like five spots I get to pick. Okay, where

1226
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 8: can I go? What's the wind doing? And sometimes that's

1227
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 8: a game time decision. If I'm going to hunt the afternoon,

1228
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 8: I'm not making a final call between a few of

1229
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 8: the spots closer to home until you know that afternoon.

1230
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 7: But you know, I'm I'm just trying to play the wind.

1231
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make.

1232
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 8: Sure that that the set is right, and if the

1233
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 8: set is right, then anything can happen.

1234
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: What what how do you know the set is right?

1235
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: So what are what are some check checkboxes for that

1236
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: click off?

1237
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 8: So that that winter wheat field and that small little

1238
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 8: panhandle inside of a forty acre parcel has been as

1239
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 8: productive for me over the past four or five years

1240
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 8: as any spot I've ever hunted. And so because it

1241
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 8: has three sections awards around it, i'm I can set

1242
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 8: up on what side of it that I want and

1243
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 8: I can kind of even get myself where that we're

1244
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 8: you know, if the wind is not perfect this time

1245
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 8: of year, I will I will push it a little bit,

1246
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 8: but it's you know, it's at this time of year

1247
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 8: has been seared into my memory.

1248
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 7: The end of October began November.

1249
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 8: A few years ago, there was a buck out of

1250
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 8: my dad's that was, you know, once in a lifetime

1251
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 8: buck and.

1252
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 7: The end of October I was supposed to be out hunting.

1253
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 8: The guys that were replacing our furnace asked if they

1254
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 8: could come on a Saturday morning to finish the job,

1255
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 8: and I stayed at home.

1256
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: And when I.

1257
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 8: Pulled the cards for that camera, that buck was on

1258
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 8: its feet October twenty ninth, at eight twenty in the morning,

1259
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 8: walking down a logging road checking sign. So you know,

1260
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 8: monsters will be on their feet at the end of

1261
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 8: October looking for deer. And when I did get out

1262
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 8: there November second, that buck was on a dough The

1263
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 8: doe was coming across the field in broad daylight at

1264
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 8: nine o'clock in the morning, and it was six yards

1265
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 8: behind her.

1266
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1267
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 8: So I am still a proponent of if you have

1268
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 8: dose that are doing things in the morning, you know

1269
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 8: where they're going to be, you know where they're going

1270
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 8: to be passing through.

1271
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 7: You know, you have to just hope to.

1272
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 8: Be lucky enough that one of those dozs is hot

1273
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 8: and that there's a shooter with it, and that's you know,

1274
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 8: I'm just hutting the best I know how to do,

1275
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 8: and I like to hunt tight.

1276
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 7: I'm not a big you know, I.

1277
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 8: Don't care if I can see ninety yards or one

1278
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 8: hundred yards. A lot of my sets, especially out of

1279
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,439
Speaker 8: my dad's, are on the edge of thick cover.

1280
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: You know.

1281
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 8: There's a chunk of land out there that was plowed

1282
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 8: and planted in the early nineties and it has never

1283
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 8: been touched since then, and that is so thick that,

1284
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 8: you know, me and my buddy Carlo joked that the deer,

1285
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 8: like the Vietcong, they tunnel through this stuff, you know,

1286
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 8: and a three year old could walk down these trails

1287
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 8: and not scratch her hair on his head and a

1288
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 8: grown man would have to get on his hands and knees.

1289
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 7: So I hunt the edges of that, and I'm not

1290
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 7: opposed to.

1291
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 8: You know, I'll go to a set that I can

1292
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 8: have early access, easy access to, and I'll hunt it

1293
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 8: until eight or eight thirty, and then if I can

1294
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 8: climb down and I can move quietly one hundred yards

1295
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 8: further back in and get in another hang on that

1296
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 8: I have, I've done that, and I've come to full

1297
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 8: draw on shooter bucks that I had. You know, I

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00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 8: saw at nine thirty in the morning, and I moved

1299
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 8: stands that morning, so I try to see mobile. You know,

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00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 8: I'm hung with a saddle, and I'm trying to not

1301
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 8: hunt the same place twice this time of year if

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 8: I can help it. Unless it's unless I think it's

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 8: you know, a make or break opportunity. And you know

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00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 8: they say that luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity,

1305
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 8: and this time of the year, you just got to

1306
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 8: give yourself the opportunity to get lucky.

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00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 7: And that's all I can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a it's a very exciting time. So

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: on a scale one to ten, how aggressive would you

1310
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: say your style of hunting is for this next week,

1311
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: because obviously, once we get into deeper in November, it's

1312
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: basically the gloves are off and people are doing whatever

1313
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: they feel like they need to do and have really

1314
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: no remorse. So it's just kind of chaos the deer chaos,

1315
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: and people's approaches tend to get a little less disciplined,

1316
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: which sometimes works really well. You know, we're not We're

1317
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: not quite there. So where do you fall on one

1318
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: to ten? Ten being is I will do anything, go

1319
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: anywhere because I think that's where I need to be.

1320
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: And one being is like, pretend it's the first day

1321
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: of the season and it's one hundred and twenty degrees.

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Speaker 8: So I think that the I think the actual on

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 8: the ground activity is going to be an eight eight

1324
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 8: pointy five, but I'm going to hunt it like it's

1325
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 8: an eleven. You know, I'm going to go that the

1326
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 8: end of October beginning in November is what I had

1327
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 8: been waiting for for the last eleven and a half months,

1328
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 8: you know, because gunk season rolls around in New York,

1329
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 8: especially about my dad's you know, I have stands that

1330
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 8: are two hundred yards from state land and bucks just

1331
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 8: typically don't last. And you know, I in the years past,

1332
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 8: I've said, oh, this is my target buck, and I'm

1333
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 8: not shooting anything but this buck. And that can make

1334
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 8: for some boring sits, especially when you passed on a

1335
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 8: really nice eight you know, and I have I have

1336
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 8: a hard time, especially during both season where you know,

1337
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 8: if it if it looks like a shooter, then it's

1338
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 8: a shooter. And I like that for the last couple

1339
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 8: of years where you know, some of the some of

1340
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 8: the nicest bucks I've got in the last five years

1341
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 8: have been deer that I shot that I you know,

1342
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 8: brought home, put in the tree and then I checked

1343
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 8: the card so that I swapped out from that property

1344
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 8: and the first time I saw it on camera was

1345
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 8: after I already killed it, you know. And it's I know,

1346
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 8: a shooter when I see it type of hunting. And

1347
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 8: if it makes you shake in the tree, and it

1348
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 8: gets your blood flowing, and it's a mature deer, you know,

1349
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 8: three and a.

1350
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: Half year old.

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 7: You know, textbook definition. You look it up in the

1352
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 7: dictionary and.

1353
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 8: There's a picture of a beautiful eight point white tail

1354
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 8: that's good enough for me, I would take those and

1355
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 8: happily full my tag on those all year, especially here

1356
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 8: in upstate New York.

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00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: I love it man. That's yeah, it's a super exciting

1358
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: time of year. And I think you're exactly right in

1359
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: terms of the amount of big deer in the landscape.

1360
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: This week, right now is probably when there will be

1361
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: the most amount of big deer in the landscape that

1362
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: are alive. Because deer get big bucks gets shot, you know,

1363
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: progressively more moving forward. So if you we were just

1364
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: trying to say, hey, I want to kill big buck,

1365
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: this might be arguably the best week of the entire

1366
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: year in terms of odds and the amount of good

1367
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: bucks running rounds. That's super exciting. Man. Is there in

1368
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: New York and kind of where you're hunting is there?

1369
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: Are you gonna are you plinting to hunt food sources

1370
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: or are you pretty much shifting your strategy to downwind

1371
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: of thick, nasty betting cover.

1372
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 8: So out out of my folks place, it's standing in

1373
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 8: corner right now and right and you know every year

1374
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 8: that it's corn, it's the corn bean rotation, And every

1375
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 8: year that it's corn. When the combine shows up, my

1376
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 8: dad calls me, and I look at the guys I

1377
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 8: work with and I say, I'll see you later, and.

1378
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 7: I am in the wind. I'm gone.

1379
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 8: And that's that year that that big buck was that

1380
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 8: was there. I know all about it because they end

1381
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 8: up getting killed in December with the crossbow about, you know,

1382
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 8: three quarters of a mile away.

1383
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: It was six and a half years old.

1384
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 8: That year was the largest buck killed at the crossbow

1385
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 8: in New York State. It scored like a one to

1386
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 8: seventy seven and change. And that deer was in that

1387
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 8: cut corn. I'm not kidding. Twenty minutes after the combine

1388
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 8: was gone and he was on his feet chasing doze

1389
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 8: all over the place. So I'm I'm you know, I'm

1390
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 8: just with staring at my phone every hour, going, man,

1391
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 8: I hope my pop calls. Hope my pop calls, because

1392
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 8: once that happens, that's where I'm gonna go. But until then,

1393
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 8: you know, I'm I'm just I'm hunting. I'm hunting as

1394
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 8: if every haunt is the most important hunt.

1395
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 7: And uh, I just got a chunk this past weekend.

1396
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 8: I took my son with me kind of the secret

1397
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 8: weapon of door knocking. A cute a cute three year

1398
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 8: old boy and UH and picked up seventeen acres. And

1399
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 8: you know when I went on that for the first

1400
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 8: time with my saddle and UH and the cell cam,

1401
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 8: you know, I treated it like there was a big

1402
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 8: deer on it, you know.

1403
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 7: And and that's all I can hope to do, you know.

1404
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 7: And if you treat every.

1405
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 8: Haunt like it's the best hunt and the next tount

1406
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 8: is the best hunt, I think you're setting yourself up

1407
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 8: for for success.

1408
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: I love it. Man, Well, good luck it's gonna be

1409
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: you're hunting like eleven. You think activity is gonna be

1410
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: an eight and a half. That's really great and I

1411
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: tend to agree, So good luck the rest of the season.

1412
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you might need to upgrade your rata Houain analysts,

1413
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: or maybe not. Maybe you're onto something. So good luck

1414
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: to you. Jeff, Thank you very much, Jake.

1415
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 7: Appreciate you having me on there.

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01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: You guys have it. I hope you guys enjoyed this

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01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: week's episode of ret Fresh. Be sure to text your

1418
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: hunting buddy, send some words of encouragement, and get out

1419
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: there and enjoy it. This is going to be an exciting,

1420
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: awesome week, So we will see you next week on

1421
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: the rough fresh report and if you find success, send

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: a message in We'd love to have you on here.

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Speaker 1: We will see you next time. See you