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Speaker 1: Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host,

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Speaker 1: Alisa Donovan.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody. I am Jen Fessler from Killer Thriller Docu Edition.

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Speaker 2: And today I am joined by the lovely Alisa Donovan

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Speaker 2: for a special Halloween episode of Killer Thriller. Hey, lady.

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Speaker 1: Hello, hello.

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Speaker 2: Lady in orange.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing my Halloween sweater.

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Speaker 2: Right? I remember like when the kids were little having

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Speaker 2: like little earrings that were skeletons and actually doing these things. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was like a million years ago. So guys, Halloween

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be about all costumes and candy and

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Speaker 2: fun and jokes. But today we are talking about some

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Speaker 2: real life crimes that are much scarier than anything you'd

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Speaker 2: see in a haunted house.

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Speaker 1: That is right.

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Speaker 3: We are.

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Speaker 4: Are going to look at three true crime cases connected

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Speaker 4: to Halloween, including a murder involving a Halloween disguise, a

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Speaker 4: devastating family massacre, and the infamous case of a father

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Speaker 4: who poisoned his own child's Halloween candy, which I had

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Speaker 4: forgotten about and now I am remembering. These are the

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Speaker 4: kinds of stories that make you realize that the scariest

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Speaker 4: things are just not, they're not always fictional.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're telling them, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: you know, ghost stories and people love hot, but this, this,

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Speaker 2: these are real actual, yeah. Upsetting real things that, um,

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Speaker 2: happened on or around Halloween, starting with a night in 1957,

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Speaker 2: when 35 year old Peter Fabiano, who was a beauty

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Speaker 2: at their home in Sun Valley, California. So around 11.30 p.m.,

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Speaker 2: in 1957, and this story is... whack-a-doodle right it was.

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Speaker 4: So first of all why do these things always happen

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Speaker 4: uh the investigation eventually led detectives to joan rabel a

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Speaker 4: And so then when they reconcile, Peter reportedly wanted Betty

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Speaker 4: So according to Pizer's confession, Joan had spent weeks telling

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Speaker 4: This is insanity. It also sounds like, so the husband,

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Speaker 4: Peter was clearly sleeping with Joan, right?

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Speaker 2: No. I think that maybe they think that Betty was

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Speaker 1: Oh, and that's why he wanted to end the relationship.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm saying that because they said that

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Speaker 2: no one really understood the nature of Betty and Joan's relationship.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't ever for sure established. So, but the thing is,

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Speaker 4: So, I mean, this is crazy. So if she, Pizer

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Speaker 2: Joan convinced Pizer what an awful man Peter was.

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Speaker 4: So how do you get someone to the point of

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Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I don't know. It feels

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Speaker 4: But it says that they reportedly considered several ways to

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Speaker 1: And it was Pizer in love with Joan.

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Speaker 2: Right. Now it's Pizer and Joan that got sentenced five

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Speaker 2: speaking of weird, creepy Halloween murders. So our next case

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Speaker 2: is totally disturbing in a whole different way, right? So

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Speaker 2: just awful. It's so awful. So 16-year-old Devin Griffin, that

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Speaker 2: his 23-year-old brother, Derek, and his stepfather, William Liskey Sr.,

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Speaker 4: Did he feel like these people sort of, his dad's

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Speaker 1: Family now, you know?

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Speaker 2: how is this person?

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you continue after something like that.

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Speaker 2: This one, I think the shockwaves of this one are

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Speaker 1: This one is infamous for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. So final case, our final case we're talking

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Speaker 2: about is a Halloween crime that changed the way generations

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Speaker 2: of parents thought about trick-or-treating and candy. So Halloween night, 1974,

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Speaker 2: eight-year-old Timothy O'Brien went trick-or-treating with his father, Ronald, his

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Speaker 2: So Ronald was an optician and a church deacon, but

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Speaker 1: This is already going the wrong way.

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Speaker 4: So during trick-or-treating, Ronald told the children that someone at

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Speaker 4: Timothy chose one of the pixie sticks, and after tasting it,

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. This happened in what, 1974? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they learned once they started to suspect the dad,

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Speaker 1: And he kept maintaining his innocence.

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Speaker 4: And he claimed that an unknown person had poisoned the candy,

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Speaker 1: And then also, what about those kids?

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Speaker 2: Don't you think that's going to raise some suspicions?

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: Like that's not going to be if my.

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Speaker 1: No, I can't. It's unspeakable.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that would be a normal, an

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some sick people here. You guys, this

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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so funny is now, do you guys do

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Speaker 4: Well, she goes on her own with her friends, which

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Speaker 2: So, but they do, they started doing by me. What

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Speaker 2: is it called? Trunk, trunk or treat. No. What's that?

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Speaker 3: No way.

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Speaker 1: It's like tailgating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, to get treats in their costumes and whatever. Oh,

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Speaker 2: Wandering around the neighborhood. Yeah. I mean, they still do it. Wow.

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Speaker 4: It's a very, you know, like a lot of kids

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do not envy that, but hopefully Halloween

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Speaker 1: So this is on you.

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Speaker 4: Yes. But anytime something happens on a major holiday or

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Speaker 4: Impacts how I feel about New Year's Day, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, guys, I mean, if you're a true crime listeners, fans,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's truly right.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, happy, happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we hope that everybody has a safe Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Yes, please. And a fun Halloween. I'm actually, I am

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 2: And I love it.

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Speaker 2: Dressed up in a long time.

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Speaker 4: You haven't, we go to this annual party that a

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Speaker 3: Yes so it's a bummer but yeah I we love

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Speaker 4: Like I think about her in this kitty cat costume

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Speaker 2: It's like the cutest.

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Speaker 2: So that's the good news.

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Speaker 1: That's the good news.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your Snickers and your M & Ms and Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 1: I also remember being pregnant over Halloween, little sidebar.

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Speaker 4: And I was like static about all the little mini

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Speaker 2: Like if we were traveling, whatever it was, but Jeff

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Speaker 2: Kessler will never have a Halloween week. He doesn't kind of,

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Speaker 2: of course, like we are then left with. Right. Right.

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Speaker 1: He's like, just in case I had to get this.

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Speaker 2: Just in case. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Friends.

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Speaker 2: All right. Until next time.

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Speaker 1: Until next time.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Bye guys. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.