Speaker 1: Smell Us.
Speaker 2: Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
Speaker 3: That's one pm for our friends in Lincolnton, Georgia on Thursday,
Speaker 3: April tenth, and we're live for Meat Eater, HQ and Bozeman.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Spencer new Art, joined today by Jannis
Speaker 3: Butellus and Brody Henderson. On today's show, we'll interview Stephanie
Speaker 3: Raymond from the Orca Network about one of the world's
Speaker 3: most endangered whales. After that, we'll do one minute fishing
Speaker 3: with our friends at Trout Unlimited, followed by the top
Speaker 3: three biggest fish we've ever landed, and finally we'll talk
Speaker 3: to James Kine about the day he caught one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars while magnet fishing. Lincolnton, Georgia is a place
Speaker 3: I visited last year while attending the Masters. It's Master's
Speaker 3: Week right now. I had one of the most unique
Speaker 3: dining experiences of my life there.
Speaker 4: It was it was.
Speaker 3: So southern that I couldn't believe that it was real.
Speaker 3: It's called Papa's Old South. You went into a little
Speaker 3: trailer house, and you ate from their buffet of all
Speaker 3: sorts of Southern fried foods. It was so satisfying. If
Speaker 3: you live in Georgia, if you're ever attending the Masters,
Speaker 3: make the drive to Lincolnton to visit Papa's Old South.
Speaker 3: But I got one master's story to tell you, because
Speaker 3: the Master's teed off today.
Speaker 2: Hold on before you tell us that, tell me what
Speaker 2: you ate there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything they had, every protein was fried, so like
Speaker 3: fried chicken that was delicious. They're corn bread that was great,
Speaker 3: and then carrat fish of course, they had catfish. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they had Mountain jiganafish.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They would shame you if you didn't take enough on
Speaker 3: your plate. It was that kind of place. And maybe
Speaker 3: that sort of experience is more common than I'm aware of.
Speaker 3: And I'm just ignorant to like how Southern folks treat
Speaker 3: you and how just dang nice they are and how
Speaker 3: excited they are about their food. But go to Papa's
Speaker 3: Old South. I loved it. I can't believe it exists
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. And then the other best thing
Speaker 3: was the dessert. It was a cherry pie, I believe.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, we were in there with all the good
Speaker 3: church going folks while we were head to the Masters.
Speaker 3: How much was this buf fey I don't know, probably
Speaker 3: like twenty bucks or something. The price didn't feel very
Speaker 3: Southern that that made sense to me as I, oh,
Speaker 3: that's relatable. The rest of it was very different though,
Speaker 3: what Master's story to tell you. You know our friend
Speaker 3: Brian Harmon, who's been on Trivia, he's been on the
Speaker 3: Regular Mediater podcast. We were there on a practice day,
Speaker 3: which is when things are like less serious than the
Speaker 3: actual tournament, so you can there's like a little more
Speaker 3: leeway for the patrons. They call them patrons. You're not
Speaker 3: a fan when you're there because you're not fanatical, you're
Speaker 3: just like very respectful and you're a patron.
Speaker 5: They have all kinds of vocabulary things they have to say.
Speaker 5: It's very different. It's not the rough. It's a second cut.
Speaker 5: I can't say rough.
Speaker 3: It's very different. I'm glad it exists in that one place.
Speaker 3: If the entire golf world was like that, I'd be like,
Speaker 3: this is so pretentious, it's disgusting. But having it exist
Speaker 3: in that one sort of place once a year, I
Speaker 3: enjoyed that anyway. Brian Harmon. He was on the first
Speaker 3: practice day. I was with a few buddies and I
Speaker 3: was like, do you think he'd like look over if
Speaker 3: I made a little turkey call. There are no turkeys
Speaker 3: that live on Augusta. But he was probably seventy five
Speaker 3: yards away, and there are hundreds of people around at
Speaker 3: this point. You're hearing birds all day long, so you know,
Speaker 3: let's watch this. And so I'm did that. Sure enough,
Speaker 3: his head turned on a swivel over to my direction.
Speaker 3: No one else though, in this crowd of hundreds of people,
Speaker 3: acknowledged it. That was just very satisfying. That's why I'll
Speaker 3: always cheer for Brian Harmon.
Speaker 2: So there is a lot of birds.
Speaker 5: They don't pipe in the bird noises, you know what.
Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of birds. You hear a
Speaker 3: lot of birds, and a conspiracy theorists would tell you that, yeah,
Speaker 3: there are speakers around that you can't see. I I
Speaker 3: would bet there are speakers piping in some of those
Speaker 3: other tournaments have been busted for doing exactly that. But
Speaker 3: that place, yeah, that place is so manicured. Like you
Speaker 3: stand under a tree and you look up and you
Speaker 3: see that all of the branches off of the main
Speaker 3: trunk are like tied with some wire to each other,
Speaker 3: because every little blade of grass, every leaf, is so
Speaker 3: impeccably placed and thoughtful that that nothing escapes them as
Speaker 3: far as what this place should look like, smell, likes,
Speaker 3: sound like. So if they were piping in bird noises,
Speaker 3: that would not surprise me.
Speaker 4: Brody.
Speaker 2: The epitome of cleaning up the woods, it's oh, it's.
Speaker 5: Wid That's what it is, the natural environment.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, well no, I'm saying it's it's not. But
Speaker 2: you know, my uh my elders, you know, my my
Speaker 2: the generation of my dad's parents, and so they were
Speaker 2: like my great uncles and whatever. They were big into that,
Speaker 2: like when they had little cat when they had little cabins, cottages, whatnot.
Speaker 2: Like that was the thing they did. I mean, they
Speaker 2: were just working people. They loved to work. So they
Speaker 2: would go up to their cabin instead of just like
Speaker 2: laying around drinking beer getting sun. They would work and
Speaker 2: they would do things like clean up, clean out all
Speaker 2: the you know seaweed, not seaweed, but whatever, you know
Speaker 2: plant was growing in the pond, sure, or go into
Speaker 2: the woods and literally rake the woods clean, right, And
Speaker 2: it was just like in their mind they're beautifying, right,
Speaker 2: And let mean a lot of people do that now.
Speaker 5: I mean, let me look at lawns. I mean that's sure.
Speaker 2: People love to manicure. Oh man, like you means love
Speaker 2: that look?
Speaker 5: Nature really doesn't. I worked on a golf court ground
Speaker 5: crew all through high school and college, and this time
Speaker 5: of year in the north, they're like way past this
Speaker 5: down where the Masters is going on. But like when
Speaker 5: it was first time to go to work in the spring,
Speaker 5: that's all we did was pick up sticks off the ground,
Speaker 5: Like hours and hours.
Speaker 3: Of picking up stick What other work did you do
Speaker 3: for the golf course? Would you like spreading.
Speaker 5: Grounds? Threw everything?
Speaker 3: And did you ever swing a golf club in those days?
Speaker 5: Once in a while we'd dick around. But like I'm
Speaker 5: just like, you know.
Speaker 3: What about your peers working there? Were they not like
Speaker 3: deeply no love with golf.
Speaker 5: No, like guys like we had a little like crew
Speaker 5: of friends that worked out on the course and.
Speaker 2: There was a job.
Speaker 5: It was a job, but it was a cool job
Speaker 5: because it started five or six in the morning, be
Speaker 5: done like the latest we'd work. It was too the
Speaker 5: rest of the day to do what you.
Speaker 3: Want was that covered in turkeys?
Speaker 5: Yes, that course. What we used to hunt on that
Speaker 5: golf course because we were like buddies with the dude,
Speaker 5: the brothers that owned that course. So we'd now and
Speaker 5: then hunt on that golf course.
Speaker 3: That that'd be a dream permission to get is on
Speaker 3: a golf course something not Augusta though, No turkey's there.
Speaker 3: But for Brian Harmon, he thought for two seconds that
Speaker 3: there was so cheer for him this week.
Speaker 2: I think you actually like hunting the golf course, would I? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely. If you're out there and you got permission, or
Speaker 3: you own a golf course, you're a manager at a
Speaker 3: golf course, and that place is covered up in deer,
Speaker 3: you let me know. I'll come hunt that thing for you.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you like it? That's no different than hunting
Speaker 3: a cornfield.
Speaker 2: No, it is a lot different.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of leaning with if you're in to compare
Speaker 5: it to a cornfield, it ain't that much different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, them deer being deer when they're out on a
Speaker 3: golf course.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I also like the idea of hunting them in a
Speaker 3: unique spot. I've never gotten to do an urban hunt.
Speaker 3: I've lived in places out of at urban hunts that
Speaker 3: I like haven't drawn the tag. That would be a
Speaker 3: unique experience. Then I would also embrace if you're, you know,
Speaker 3: forty yards off someone's back patio, boy, that'd be fun.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to spend the
Speaker 3: rest of my life hunting golf courses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess for an experience, I would do it.
Speaker 2: It just would seem that for me aesthetically, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be as pleasing as hunting in the woods.
Speaker 3: We're not disagreeing there. If you've got a golf course
Speaker 3: that you can let me hunt you some golf courses
Speaker 3: have a lot of woods that one that I worked on, Johnny,
Speaker 3: is your line season over with?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I've got like there's like four days left in the season.
Speaker 2: Season ends on the fourteenth, which is next Monday.
Speaker 3: But does it feel like it's over with when there's
Speaker 3: four days left? Or is it like still good hunting conditions?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: It's it's tough for hunting conditions. I don't mind them.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's good for the dog. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: definitely go out at least one more day this weekend,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's probably a lot of people that
Speaker 2: have given up by now, a lot.
Speaker 3: Of folks, you know, because of snow, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or just you know, it's like anything. It's like Turkey season.
Speaker 2: If it's a six week long Turkey season, you know,
Speaker 2: there's sure ninety percent of the people are out there
Speaker 2: in the first week, and then the numbers just atrophy,
Speaker 2: you know, from there on out. I imagine the same
Speaker 2: thing happened. I mean, I know what happens with the
Speaker 2: elk season. Imagine. I mean, our season is I don't know,
Speaker 2: five months long. So yeah, but it's you know, obviously
Speaker 2: the animals are still out there and you can still
Speaker 2: catch them, and you don't necessarily need to have fresh snow.
Speaker 2: Fresh snow makes it easier to find the original track.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we had a tough hunt the other day
Speaker 2: where Mingus just ran a lot of trash, which I
Speaker 2: don't really like that term, but that basically means when
Speaker 2: he's running anything besides what he's supposed to be running.
Speaker 3: And give me an example of fox.
Speaker 2: Sure fox kyo deer and he was in with another
Speaker 2: pack of dogs. And I'm not blaming that other pack,
Speaker 2: but similar to humans, you get into a group and
Speaker 2: the mentality changes about what individuals can do and what
Speaker 2: the group can do. And yeah, he gets caught up
Speaker 2: in that and does what they call a lot of
Speaker 2: booger barking, which I was thinking about where that comes from,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, maybe they it's like a term
Speaker 2: for being like, oh yeah, they're they're literally instead of
Speaker 2: smelling the scent on the ground of a lion, he's
Speaker 2: literally smelling his own boogers and barking at them. I
Speaker 2: don't know where that came.
Speaker 3: When I hear that, I think of like a turkey
Speaker 3: hont getting boogered, just like things went wrong.
Speaker 2: Sure, so I would definitely like to go out and
Speaker 2: finish on a little bit better note, because right now,
Speaker 2: when I came upstairs this morning, I saw Mangus crawling
Speaker 2: out of his bed looking at me, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you're a piece of shit dog.
Speaker 3: Oh wow. Okay, well, he's got four days to redeem himself.
Speaker 3: And after that, Yannie, you give us a full recap
Speaker 3: a lot of season here on media radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll come back and tell you I had a
Speaker 2: successful hunt a couple of weeks ago, but I imagine
Speaker 2: we burned up our time for me to tell you
Speaker 2: about that one.
Speaker 3: I have a fear that we have. All right, let's
Speaker 3: get to our first caller. Joining us on the line
Speaker 3: now is Stephanie Raymond, the program manager from the Orca Network.
Speaker 3: Stephanie is here to educate us about one of the
Speaker 3: world's most endangered animals, the Southern resident orcas. Stephanie, Welcome
Speaker 3: to the show.
Speaker 8: Thanks so much for having me. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 3: First. Thank Stephanie. Tell us about what makes southern resident
Speaker 3: orcas different from the other fifty thousand killer whales that
Speaker 3: live in our oceans.
Speaker 8: Well, so, yeah, Orcas are one of the most widely
Speaker 8: distributed mammals on the planets. On the face of it,
Speaker 8: it might seem like there are plenty of them out there,
Speaker 8: but the different populations of orcas around the world have
Speaker 8: very different characteristics. And we used to call these different ecotypes,
Speaker 8: but now we're starting to regard them as separate species.
Speaker 8: And just last fall, the Southern resident orcas were designated
Speaker 8: as their own specific species. Oh interesting relative to the
Speaker 8: wider population also the bigs orcas. So there's two different
Speaker 8: orcas in the Saleor's Sea that share that ecosystem, but
Speaker 8: they do not interact in any way, and both of
Speaker 8: them have been designated their own specific species.
Speaker 5: Now who Spencer and I are arguing about this earlier
Speaker 5: and like I'm a lumper and obviously he's a splitter.
Speaker 5: Like like how like who's deciding their different species? And
Speaker 5: how has that decided? And like, you know a lot
Speaker 5: of people would look at them, Yeah, as one species.
Speaker 8: There is some formal body and I don't know their
Speaker 8: precise title who gets to decide this stuff? But the
Speaker 8: reason it was the decision was made is that, you know,
Speaker 8: for about twenty years now, there has been research about
Speaker 8: the genetic differences between these groups and the the behavioral differences,
Speaker 8: the vocalization differences. So these different populations of orcas around
Speaker 8: the world have really different characteristics. Each group has unique
Speaker 8: vocals and culture, They have behavior that's learned from their mothers.
Speaker 8: Each has a specialized diet depending on what's available to
Speaker 8: them in that that environment. And they're very like humans
Speaker 8: in this, except that where human groups different cultures and
Speaker 8: languages and dietary preferences tend to intermingle, the orchest don't
Speaker 8: do that. So the Southern residents are a unique, genetically
Speaker 8: distinct population of about seventy four animals who range from
Speaker 8: Vancouver Island in British Columbia to Monterey Bay, California. They
Speaker 8: are coastal animals. They don't tend to go far offshore.
Speaker 8: They are made up of three large extended family groups
Speaker 8: that we call JPod, K POD, and L POD. And
Speaker 8: within this population, the young whales never leave their mothers.
Speaker 8: They are always there, so it's a big group around
Speaker 8: you know, some common female ancestor who may not no
Speaker 8: longer be living, but these groups have all formed in
Speaker 8: that way. They are primarily salmon eaters. Over eighty percent
Speaker 8: of their diet is chinook or king salmon in particular.
Speaker 8: They also will eat coho, and they've been known to
Speaker 8: eat link cod and halibate on occasion. They have good
Speaker 8: taste in fish, so they are fish eaters and that
Speaker 8: is one of the things that this distinguishes them from
Speaker 8: the other orca population that shares their territory because that
Speaker 8: other population feeds exclusively on marine mammals.
Speaker 3: Okay, so seventy four of them left in the wild.
Speaker 3: What's caused that decline?
Speaker 8: Boy a lot of things. So these whales, primarily their
Speaker 8: primary threat right now is lack of food. As salmon
Speaker 8: fisheries have declined throughout the Pacific Northwest, you know, that's
Speaker 8: been a big challenge for them. It takes a lot
Speaker 8: of food to sustain a an eighteen month gestation and
Speaker 8: have a healthy calf and then feed that healthy calf,
Speaker 8: So being able to reproduce without enough food to supply
Speaker 8: that has been a challenge. They also these animals have
Speaker 8: a high toxic body burden. They're carrying a lot of
Speaker 8: chemicals in their bodies, persistent chemicals like PCBs and PBDEs,
Speaker 8: flame retardant chemicals because they're eating high on the food chain,
Speaker 8: and the salmon that they're eating, in pretty much every
Speaker 8: case are passing through estuaries that where there is this
Speaker 8: historic contamination in the sediment that gets into these young
Speaker 8: salmon and then stays with them. The reason that the
Speaker 8: salmon are a preferred food is that they have a
Speaker 8: high fat content, and that fat is where these persistent
Speaker 8: chemicals store. So the animals themselves are accumulating that toxin
Speaker 8: in their fat, the orc is themselves, and then if
Speaker 8: they don't have enough food to eat, they start to
Speaker 8: metabolize that fat. The blubber that there would normally be
Speaker 8: there to keep them warm. They start to metabolize that
Speaker 8: and that releases those chemicals into their different organ systems
Speaker 8: and we see both reproductive effects, neurological effects, and immunological
Speaker 8: effects as a result of that toxicity. So that's another challenge.
Speaker 8: And then we have evidence that shows us that, first
Speaker 8: of all, big freighter traffic, in particular when we have
Speaker 8: the big container ships coming in and out of these
Speaker 8: ports on the West coast, the sound of the bubbles
Speaker 8: that are generated by their propellers as that as those
Speaker 8: bubbles collapse, it's called cavitation, and the cavitation sound is
Speaker 8: happening exactly at the same frequency that these whales used
Speaker 8: to communicate and to echo locate to find their food. Finally,
Speaker 8: if a vessel is within four hundred yards of a
Speaker 8: female Southern resident, we see that she stops foraging. So
Speaker 8: vessel disturbance is another issue that these whales are faced with.
Speaker 5: Stephanie, they're down to seventy four what was their historic high? Like,
Speaker 5: how how far have they dropped? And then like, well
Speaker 5: what amount of time?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we don't know exactly how many were present
Speaker 8: prior to the era when they were being captured from
Speaker 8: marine parks because nobody had done a census, and there
Speaker 8: was just sort of this assumption that there were whales
Speaker 8: coming in from the ocean into Puget Sound and you know,
Speaker 8: they were just they would just keep doing that. It
Speaker 8: wasn't until the nineteen seventies that the initial census was taken,
Speaker 8: and at that point the population was pretty close to
Speaker 8: where it is now. The estimates are that maybe between
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty and two hundred would be like
Speaker 8: the normal carrying capacity for the population. And we did
Speaker 8: see some recovery following the end of the capture era,
Speaker 8: the population rebounded to close to one hundred animals, But
Speaker 8: then in the late nineteen eighties we saw salmon fisheries
Speaker 8: crash and along with that came the corresponding decline in
Speaker 8: the southern resident population. And there has been a lot
Speaker 8: of effort made to restore salmon habitat and you know,
Speaker 8: legislate different regulations around how vessels should behave around these animals,
Speaker 8: but we're not seeing yet the recovery that we really
Speaker 8: would like to see.
Speaker 3: Talk about that capture era, Stephanie, and how differently these
Speaker 3: whales were treated in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties.
Speaker 8: Yeah, these animals used to be feared very much. People
Speaker 8: just assumed that if you found the water near one,
Speaker 8: that was it. You know, it was kind of the
Speaker 8: Great white Shark of its time. That they were just aggressive,
Speaker 8: vicious animals, killer whales, right, you call them killer whales,
Speaker 8: and people make assumptions. Also, fishers didn't want the competition
Speaker 8: for salmon. My own grandfather was a commercial fisher, and
Speaker 8: you know, when I was a little kid in the
Speaker 8: seventies and was, you know, starting to get really turned
Speaker 8: on about these whales, he would tell me about how
Speaker 8: he had a permit to shoot him if they got
Speaker 8: too close to his nets. So, you know, they were
Speaker 8: not animals that were really well loved in the way
Speaker 8: that they are now. There was a whale that was
Speaker 8: that was nicknamed Moby Doll. She was one of the
Speaker 8: or he was one of the first captive orcas. He
Speaker 8: was shot multiple times because somebody wanted a model for
Speaker 8: a sculpture to put at the Vancouver Aquarium when it
Speaker 8: was first open. It opened, and the whale survived the
Speaker 8: shooting and survived for a while in captivity, and this
Speaker 8: was when we started to realize that they weren't aggress
Speaker 8: toward humans, despite how the humans had been treating them.
Speaker 8: And then we had Namu, who famously was caught in
Speaker 8: a fisherman's net and sold to Ted Griffith in Seattle
Speaker 8: and was on display in the Seattle waterfront for a while. Again,
Speaker 8: you know, Ted really bonded with that whale and was
Speaker 8: able to ride on his back and people, you know,
Speaker 8: at that time, he would go on the water with
Speaker 8: the whale and people would be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 8: it's an accident, and what's going to happen. And then
Speaker 8: it turned out that was all part of the act,
Speaker 8: that Namu was not a vicious creature. So in captivity,
Speaker 8: the intelligence of these animals became apparent and there were
Speaker 8: very few incidences of aggression against humans. You know, we
Speaker 8: know since then there have been some notable exceptions, but
Speaker 8: that also aligned with the observation that there's never been
Speaker 8: a documented incidence of aggression against a human from killer
Speaker 8: whales in the wild. So people began to see them
Speaker 8: as friendly, which you know, that's a human value that
Speaker 8: may or may not be true. But the population census
Speaker 8: and the way the whales behaved around researchers in the
Speaker 8: wild began to point to something really special about these
Speaker 8: animals and how they seem to have a natural curiosity
Speaker 8: about us, but also an uncanny ability to know our intentions.
Speaker 8: You mentioned in the questions you sent me the Seymour
Speaker 8: Narrows in British Columbia. They were going to place a
Speaker 8: gun there to target practice do target practice on these
Speaker 8: whales when they passed through, and they chose that location
Speaker 8: because that was the spot the whales were known to frequent.
Speaker 8: Well after they set the gun up, the whales never
Speaker 8: went there, as though somehow they knew and we can't
Speaker 8: explain that. But you know, there are many many stories
Speaker 8: of situations like that where somehow the whales seem to
Speaker 8: understand what the humans were up to in a way
Speaker 8: that we don't understand what they're up to. So it's
Speaker 8: they're very that by themselves is such a compelling thing.
Speaker 8: I think that a lot of researchers and a lot
Speaker 8: of the general public are really drawn to this population
Speaker 8: in particular because we know we know them intimately, We
Speaker 8: know them as individuals. They all have nicknames that the
Speaker 8: public may know them by, and we know their stories.
Speaker 8: So it really has been a one hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: degree shift in attitudes and you know, just a little
Speaker 8: bit more than fifty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen a lot of headlines in the last
Speaker 3: six months about the Southern resident orcas. So I want
Speaker 3: to talk to you about some of that news. First thing,
Speaker 3: tell us about the salmon hats and why people cared
Speaker 3: about that last fall.
Speaker 8: So this was a really interesting human phenomenon as much
Speaker 8: as an orca phenomenon. In the nineteen eighties, late nineteen eighties,
Speaker 8: there was one summer when it seemed to be the
Speaker 8: thing to do for the Southern resident orcas to carry
Speaker 8: salmon around on their heads. And you know, if the
Speaker 8: image we have of orcas is a whale in a tank,
Speaker 8: that's a very sterile environment. They don't have a lot
Speaker 8: of things to interact with. But in the wild, these
Speaker 8: whales are very tactile, very interactive creatures. They like to
Speaker 8: manipulate things in their environment. They're curious about them, they're
Speaker 8: you know, they want to play or or do other things.
Speaker 8: And they do have these social trends that happen, whether
Speaker 8: it's a behavioral trend or in this case, maybe a
Speaker 8: fashion trend. So we've also seen years where you know,
Speaker 8: everybody's got a piece of help draped over their dorsal
Speaker 8: fin or some eel grass or something like that. And
Speaker 8: what happened last fall We had a just incredible salmon
Speaker 8: run here in the Sales Sea, just record breaking across
Speaker 8: the board, and one of our volunteers snapped a picture
Speaker 8: that had a salmon sitting on the head of an orca. Well,
Speaker 8: somebody grabbed that from one of our reports that we
Speaker 8: put out and it went viral and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 8: they're reviving the trend. But the reality is that that
Speaker 8: was part of a series of pictures in which, you know,
Speaker 8: the picture before and the picture after did not show
Speaker 8: a salmon on the orc's head, and so we don't
Speaker 8: know exactly how that fish wound up on that whales
Speaker 8: head for just a second, but it did not appear
Speaker 8: to be actually carrying it. There was one other researcher
Speaker 8: who witnessed a salmon on the head of an orca
Speaker 8: for a second as well, but didn't get a picture
Speaker 8: of it. And that was it. And the reality is
Speaker 8: that when these whales come down into Puget Sound, which
Speaker 8: is what they do in the fall, because that's when
Speaker 8: the salmon are running into the sound. There are hundreds
Speaker 8: of people on the shorelines with cameras documenting their presence,
Speaker 8: getting their pictures. And if there had been a widespread
Speaker 8: revival of that salmon hat trend, we definitely seen a
Speaker 8: lot more evidence of that than we actually did. It
Speaker 8: was just really interesting how compelling it was to humans. Again,
Speaker 8: you know, here's this interesting behavior. Look what they're doing.
Speaker 8: They're doing something like us. They have a fashion trend,
Speaker 8: and it just really we were getting media requests from
Speaker 8: as far away as Germany and New Zealand for people
Speaker 8: asking about this particular situation.
Speaker 3: Okay, and Stephanie is skeptical that the salmon hand are
Speaker 3: back and fashionable.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we haven't. Haven't seen it since now.
Speaker 3: Last year, the largest dam removal project in US history
Speaker 3: took place when four dams were destroyed on the Klamath River.
Speaker 3: Talk about what that means for these southern resident orcas.
Speaker 8: So what that means is that there's now more habitat
Speaker 8: for these chinook salmon to spawn. And we know that
Speaker 8: the further the chinook have to travel upriver, the bigger
Speaker 8: those fish have to be. It also really you know,
Speaker 8: has a big influence on the spring Chinook Run. These
Speaker 8: were salmon that would enter the rivers in the spring,
Speaker 8: but they didn't spawn until the fall because it took
Speaker 8: them that long to get all the way up to
Speaker 8: the upper watersheds. So when we open up this upper
Speaker 8: watershed habitat, we are really improving the salmon supply for
Speaker 8: the southern residents to eat. And that's true all up
Speaker 8: and down the coast, of course, because as I said before,
Speaker 8: they go down as far as Monterey Bay, all of
Speaker 8: the salmon bearing streams on the Pacific Northwest coast potentially
Speaker 8: can supply them with additional salmon to eat. What we've
Speaker 8: seen as the fisheries have declined is that there are
Speaker 8: not only fewer fish, but they tend to be smaller
Speaker 8: because they have less range to spawn in, and that
Speaker 8: means that the whales are working harder. They're spending more
Speaker 8: energy to find smaller fish, so they have to spend
Speaker 8: even more energy to get enough food to eat. So
Speaker 8: bigger fish are great. More spawning habitat for those fish
Speaker 8: is great. And you know, both the Klamath and the
Speaker 8: Elwah Dam removal projects are potentially going to boost that
Speaker 8: supply of salmon and Hopefully that's going to make a
Speaker 8: big difference for these animals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's send this interview on some more good news.
Speaker 3: It's news, it's only a few days old. Tell us
Speaker 3: about the newest member of the Southern Resident JPod.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is really exciting. We just had a baby
Speaker 8: J sixty three, so it won't be given a nickname
Speaker 8: for at least another six months or so. There's not
Speaker 8: a lot to say at this point. She appears to
Speaker 8: be the first calf of a whale known as J
Speaker 8: forty Subtles, and Subtles has a long history of being
Speaker 8: kind of an anti or babysitter to other new calves,
Speaker 8: but has never been seen with a calf of her own.
Speaker 8: So so far, baby looks great and we're cautiously optimistic,
Speaker 8: but of course we'll need to have a few more
Speaker 8: sightings to confirm that Subtle's really is mom and that
Speaker 8: things are continuing to go well. And the other piece
Speaker 8: of good news is that baby J sixty two, who
Speaker 8: was born in December, is also appears to be thriving.
Speaker 8: That little one seems to be doing really really well
Speaker 8: in recent observations.
Speaker 3: And lasting If people want to help Southern Resident orcas
Speaker 3: and support their conservation efforts. What can they do.
Speaker 8: So it really goes back to, you know, a lot
Speaker 8: of the stuff that we're told is good for the
Speaker 8: environment is going to be helpful for these whales ultimately,
Speaker 8: because we're all connected in that way. If you're in
Speaker 8: the Pacific Northwest, being aware of your watershed and what
Speaker 8: you're contributing to it is really important. Avoiding toxic products
Speaker 8: for lawn garden or farm care, maintaining your vehicle so
Speaker 8: you're not leaking oil, and making sure your tires are
Speaker 8: properly inflated. It turns out the dusts that erodes off
Speaker 8: of tires it's actually really toxic for some types of salmon.
Speaker 8: So that's another piece that we're you know, as we're
Speaker 8: uncovering the different ways that we can restore salmon habitat.
Speaker 8: That's one of the things that's being looked at. Conservative
Speaker 8: electricity is huge because again, you know, we're here in
Speaker 8: the Northwest, we're so used to abundant, inexpensive hydropower, but
Speaker 8: we know now what a devastating effect that has on
Speaker 8: the salmon population and wherever you live, you know, because
Speaker 8: we are power grid spreads all over the place, that's helpful,
Speaker 8: Advocating against proposed dams or removing existing dams that we
Speaker 8: don't necessarily need anymore, advocating for good conservation policies for
Speaker 8: salmon and for orcas. All of those things are things
Speaker 8: that people can do to support this population.
Speaker 3: Okay, everyone listening is going to do their part. Thanks
Speaker 3: for joining us, Stephanie in congrats on the J sixty
Speaker 3: three news.
Speaker 8: Thank you, and thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 3: You bloys feel differently about or because now you all excited.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're super cool animals, you know. I'm glad
Speaker 5: to hear they're they're potentially going to be doing better.
Speaker 5: You see, I was to hear, I was expecting to
Speaker 5: hear that there had been some precipitous decline in their population.
Speaker 5: But the fact that their numbers have remained steady for
Speaker 5: fifty years makes me think that, you know, maybe things
Speaker 5: aren't as bad as the picture isn't as bad as
Speaker 5: as people might be painting.
Speaker 3: I don't think we fully got the scope of it
Speaker 3: talking to Stephanie, but one piece of news I'd seen
Speaker 3: is at like sixty or seventy percent of the calves
Speaker 3: die in the first year, and I think That's the
Speaker 3: thing they're really fighting right now is how can we
Speaker 3: make sure that when a calf is born, which is
Speaker 3: already a lot to ask for, that the thing survives
Speaker 3: to adulthood. So I think that's that's what I mean.
Speaker 5: They have the unforse a fate of living in basically
Speaker 5: an urban marine invitrally, which you know makes things tough.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Moving on, Our next segment is One Minute Fishing.
Speaker 9: Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 6: We'll do you dunk, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Make my cast.
Speaker 3: One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group and for the whole month
Speaker 3: of April, our friends at Trout Unlimited or joining us
Speaker 3: for one Minute Fishing. This week, our wrangler is Dan Johnson,
Speaker 3: the Desert Terminal Lakes Basin project coordinator at TU. Today
Speaker 3: he's on Hot Creek in California and fishing for a
Speaker 3: donation to Trout Unlimited. Dan, welcome to the show.
Speaker 9: Hey, thank you all so much for having us and
Speaker 9: for highlighting to you this month and highlighting this this
Speaker 9: beautiful stream bind.
Speaker 3: It is a beautiful place, also a windy place. Now,
Speaker 3: first thing we ask Trout Unlimited to highlight some important
Speaker 3: watersheds across the country for this segment, tell us about
Speaker 3: Hot Creek and its greatest threats.
Speaker 9: Is a very very unique stream. It starts as Mammoth
Speaker 9: Creek up in the eastern Sierras. There flows down. It's
Speaker 9: really small, very narrow as it hits the valley, but
Speaker 9: about a couple hundred yards upstream of where I am.
Speaker 9: It has a number of geothermal inputs. This hot water
Speaker 9: that comes out, it's actually perfectly in that sixty to
Speaker 9: sixty seven degree range that is optimum for trout growth
Speaker 9: and you know, longevity and reproduction. But we've been involved
Speaker 9: in Hot Creek for a number of years because just
Speaker 9: over the hill I can see it from here. There
Speaker 9: is a project to start exploratory gold mining right on
Speaker 9: just a ways over the banks there. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 9: the company Core Mining, they were awarded permits to drill.
Speaker 9: After a huge amount of community backlash and litigation from
Speaker 9: other NGOs in the area, those permits were revoked for
Speaker 9: the time being. But you know, gold is near all
Speaker 9: time highs and we are actually working on a protective
Speaker 9: designation for Hot Creek and outstanding National Resource Water, which
Speaker 9: we feel would you know, neutralize that mining threat once
Speaker 9: and for all.
Speaker 6: And I mean at Trout Unlimited. We're realists, right.
Speaker 9: I drove a truck here today and it's built out
Speaker 9: of things that were pulled out of the ground at
Speaker 9: one point. You know, we need mining, we need to
Speaker 9: work these landscapes, but also we need places.
Speaker 6: Like Hot Creek.
Speaker 9: You know, it's a part of our American tradition. I
Speaker 9: actually wrote my father in law in he's my cameraman
Speaker 9: today and I come out here with my daughter and yeah,
Speaker 9: I try to Unlimited. We're just working to protect the places.
Speaker 6: We love to fish.
Speaker 3: We're grateful that TU is involved. Question, Yeah, what do
Speaker 3: you got bro?
Speaker 6: Hey Dan?
Speaker 5: What what kind of land are you? Is Hot Creek
Speaker 5: like a public primarily a public river? Are you standing on?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: What land entity manages the land you're standing on right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah? So Hot Creek. You know, it's actually interesting.
Speaker 9: We're in the very valley stage of our portion of
Speaker 9: Hot Creek and it ends up going in some pretty
Speaker 9: dramatic canyons. It's a mixture of us for a service
Speaker 9: mostly to the across the stream from me the LM
Speaker 9: down below. There's also some private property and some some
Speaker 9: tribal trust land as well, So.
Speaker 5: So the fair number of the gold the gold mining
Speaker 5: would occur on is the proposal for the gold mining
Speaker 5: to occur on public land.
Speaker 6: That's correct on for service like, gotcha?
Speaker 5: Gotcha?
Speaker 3: All right, Dan, let's talk about the fishing. What are
Speaker 3: you targeting today? How are you doing it in? What
Speaker 3: fly are you throwing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we are.
Speaker 6: Hot Creek has and of course I just got stuck
Speaker 6: on it.
Speaker 9: Hot Creek has wild populations of ground trout is kind
Speaker 9: of the main quarry.
Speaker 6: There's also some rainbows.
Speaker 9: At this time of the year, none of the really
Speaker 9: big stuff is hatching, so I am throwing size eighteen
Speaker 9: blueing olive if you can see that, and then a
Speaker 9: size twenty zebramage down below, so the real small stuff.
Speaker 9: But we did have a hatch going off a bit earlier.
Speaker 9: We've been watching fish rise here. I've been, you know,
Speaker 9: whispering words reassurance to my tiny flies the last ten
Speaker 9: minutes and feeling good about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, have you made to cast yet? Today?
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 9: I fished a little bit downstream, but we've been trying
Speaker 9: to do our best to leave this hole intact and
Speaker 9: not you know, not mess with them at all. I
Speaker 9: don't think they I don't think they know that we're here.
Speaker 9: So this is the one we've been reserving.
Speaker 3: Great, Well, your one minute of fishing starts when you
Speaker 3: make that first cast.
Speaker 5: Let's do it better. Get in there for someone high
Speaker 5: holds your.
Speaker 3: Walk to the edge of the creek. Yoanni, describe what
Speaker 3: you're seeing there?
Speaker 2: Oh, just a beautiful creek. I'd have to just stand
Speaker 2: there and enjoy the view for a while before he
Speaker 2: even wet a line.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, he's making his first cast.
Speaker 2: Snow capped mountains dropping into some like deserty up high
Speaker 2: country sage.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. Looks like a place you'd find some some
Speaker 3: Muley's or black tails and some some antelope.
Speaker 5: I like that he's kind of being a purist here,
Speaker 5: because if I was going for the one minute, Neil,
Speaker 5: I'd probably have a San Juan worm and an egg
Speaker 5: on there.
Speaker 3: Oh, did we have a hook set there?
Speaker 2: Then he thinks you did.
Speaker 6: We missed.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're thirty seconds in.
Speaker 6: He got he bit the tiny little zebramidge.
Speaker 3: Oh all right, feeling optimistic, burn a lot of time
Speaker 3: on that false cast and get it back in the water.
Speaker 9: I know, twenty seconds, guys, I gotta I gotta dry
Speaker 9: him out.
Speaker 3: Twenty seconds ago, ten seconds left in eat it Uh
Speaker 3: not gonna happen today, Dan, tell us what happened on
Speaker 3: that that one fish that made an offering at your fly?
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I could see him. It's actually really clear
Speaker 9: water here. So I saw him move for the zebra midge.
Speaker 6: And I mean, I hope you all my mind. If
Speaker 6: I keep fishing all the time, I know it doesn't count.
Speaker 9: But yeah, he went for he went for the zebra
Speaker 9: midge and he just didn't commit to the bite.
Speaker 6: And yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 9: We're gonna hang out here the rest of the day too,
Speaker 9: so maybe i'll maybe I'll text you all the picture too.
Speaker 3: Okay, good work day for you, Dan.
Speaker 5: That's the line. That's the line my clients used to
Speaker 5: always use, like, oh he missed it, like they never
Speaker 5: missed the fish.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 9: And if I may real quick, if you're looking to
Speaker 9: get involved with Tu's work on public lands, just go
Speaker 9: to tu dot org. And we have a little bar
Speaker 9: at the top that says take action. We're likely working
Speaker 9: in your neck of the woods right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, good message, Dan, thank you for joining us, Good
Speaker 3: luck with fishing the rest of the day, and thanks
Speaker 3: to Trot Unlimited for doing what they do.
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan.
Speaker 3: All Right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a
Speaker 3: break for some listener feedback. Phil, what do you got?
Speaker 7: We've got a question from our producer Corey Colkins. He
Speaker 7: asks who's the better golfer, Spencer, Giannis or Brody.
Speaker 2: Ain't me?
Speaker 3: I imagine it's me just because I play the most, But
Speaker 3: I am not a good golfer at all. If Yanni
Speaker 3: wanted to go golfing five times this year, he might
Speaker 3: be better than me after those five times. I'm I
Speaker 3: just enjoy the camaraderie of it.
Speaker 2: Maybe we don't. We don't need to spend any more
Speaker 2: time on this.
Speaker 3: Corey asked that question because he's the best golfer in
Speaker 3: the office or or top two. So so good for you, man.
Speaker 1: I used to like.
Speaker 5: Corey and then I found out he was a golfer.
Speaker 3: Well, you'll like him even more when I tell you
Speaker 3: this though, he's a phenomenal golfer who doesn't golf. He'll
Speaker 3: go like once a year, and that's good enough for him.
Speaker 3: But if I had Corey, if I had Corey's skills,
Speaker 3: I'd be out there even more. But it'd be Corey
Speaker 3: and Colin is the best golfers. What else you got?
Speaker 2: Phil?
Speaker 7: Question for Yiannis from Derman? What are you feeding a
Speaker 7: top level hunting hound like.
Speaker 3: Mingus scrap hunting hound you described him as earlier.
Speaker 2: I just feed him dog food. Buddy.
Speaker 5: If you used to remember your old dog Mud, didn't
Speaker 5: you used to feed her meat?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we feed Mingus eat too, some scraps.
Speaker 2: You know. I'll save my trimmings and feed it to them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, for the most part, we just I varied up.
Speaker 2: I don't feed him the same stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: We're actually gonna switch over to whatever Costco is selling.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm buying next for Mingus, you.
Speaker 3: Know, makes it for Costco. I imagine that.
Speaker 2: I don't image. A couple of people tell me that
Speaker 2: they thought it was good and it was cheap, so
Speaker 2: that works for us. Okay, Yeah, I'm not buying into
Speaker 2: the whole thing that my dog needs to eat the
Speaker 2: same diet that I Rashan asks.
Speaker 7: And this is for Giannis as well. I'm assuming you
Speaker 7: know the answer to this. When's the next meat Eater
Speaker 7: roast coming out? I love the first one?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm glad you liked the first one. Shot.
Speaker 2: The next one is coming out early May. I don't
Speaker 2: think there is an actual drop date yet, but I
Speaker 2: look for in early May. It's a good one. We
Speaker 2: got Carrine Schneider, Meet your podcast producer and Maggie Hudlow,
Speaker 2: director of website content, squaring off with each other.
Speaker 3: I heard they put on an exceptional show. Oh buddy
Speaker 3: made some dooking delicious food coming out in early May.
Speaker 7: From Peter, question for Brody and Yanny, what cartridge are
Speaker 7: you going to use for your kids when they go
Speaker 7: from hunting deer and antelope to elk man?
Speaker 5: I started my older son on a two forty three
Speaker 5: and he hunted with that for three, no, four seasons.
Speaker 5: Three it was last year, four, last year was four.
Speaker 5: This year he's going to a six y five creed
Speaker 5: More and I would be completely comfortable having him shooting
Speaker 5: elk with that cartridge. And he killed nelk with a
Speaker 5: thirty hot six last fall.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we've been shooting the six to five creed
Speaker 2: More and I imagine we'll stay shooting the six y
Speaker 2: five creed More and just not shoot it too far.
Speaker 3: Let's do one more, Phil oh Man.
Speaker 7: Okay from Eric, how do you guys balance family vacations
Speaker 7: and hunting trips? If you have limited time.
Speaker 5: Off, you take family vacations that are hunting trips fishing.
Speaker 3: Trip You two boys are pretty good at that.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah. I'd say there's very few hunting
Speaker 2: trips that if they're not work that are you know,
Speaker 2: that are hunting trips or hunting trips without my family.
Speaker 2: So the only one I can think of off the top
Speaker 2: of my head is like, I'm gonna go to Wisconsin
Speaker 2: hunting my dad for a few days for turkeys. But otherwise,
Speaker 2: if it's not a work trip, I'm hunting with my family,
Speaker 2: and otherwise I'm hunting with a camera.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'd definitely do some solo hunting, but
Speaker 5: like you know, most of our family vacations involved hunting
Speaker 5: or a lot of fishing too, So.
Speaker 2: You're kind of asking the wrong guys because we get
Speaker 2: to hunt for work sometimes, so we don't actually have
Speaker 2: to balance family vacations and hunting trips because yeah, we
Speaker 2: get to hunt for work sometimes, But yeah, I hope
Speaker 2: that helps Eric.
Speaker 3: Sorry, probably doesn't.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Moving on, our next segment is top threes.
Speaker 1: Yore, trouble over here?
Speaker 2: Such a beautiful boy.
Speaker 3: Sure it's so beautiful, Phil. Does the computer have to
Speaker 3: help you hit that high note?
Speaker 2: Or is that all that was? Natural?
Speaker 3: Wonderful?
Speaker 2: Natural?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Now this week we are ranking the three biggest fish
Speaker 3: we've ever caught. And to be clear, it's not literally
Speaker 3: the biggest. It's the biggest relative to other fish of
Speaker 3: that species. So you know, for today's show, it would
Speaker 3: be more relevant if you caught a two and a
Speaker 3: half pound blue gill than if you caught a thirty
Speaker 3: pound tarpin. Is the three biggest fish we've caught relative
Speaker 3: to other fish of that species? Bro, do you go first?
Speaker 3: What's the third biggest fish you've ever caught?
Speaker 5: We need the picture because I can't remember at what
Speaker 5: order I put him in?
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, big old trout.
Speaker 5: That that's a big old whopper. That's the third biggest fish.
Speaker 5: Spencer wants me to say, that's the third biggest fish
Speaker 5: I've ever caught. Huh, Then I can talk about it,
Speaker 5: that's right, Yeah, talk about it. Tell us about it. Well,
Speaker 5: it's a big ass rainbow trout. Look how young you were?
Speaker 5: How old were you?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: That was probably like twenty ish now, well maybe maybe
Speaker 5: like seventeen years ago, let's say.
Speaker 3: Okay, so how old?
Speaker 5: I don't know you like late or mid mid thirties.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you were ever in your mid thirties.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I wasn't born fifty three years old.
Speaker 2: Now is that pellet hitter that or is that not?
Speaker 1: That's not well, I mean.
Speaker 5: Not on the river. I don't think it was on
Speaker 5: the river that it was caught on.
Speaker 3: How big was that fish? For people who aren't watching.
Speaker 5: This again, Spencer and I were talking about this earlier.
Speaker 5: I don't generally don't carry a tape measure around with
Speaker 5: me or a scale, but that fish was over thirty like,
Speaker 5: I'm guessing thirty two ish, And it was caught this
Speaker 5: time year in the spring. So it's a female full
Speaker 5: of egg, so I'm guessing twelve.
Speaker 3: She's got a big old belly on twelve pound dish. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what were you doing when you caught that fish?
Speaker 5: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: What was I?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What fly were you throwing?
Speaker 5: I caught it on an egg? Big old egg? Pattern.
Speaker 3: Was that a good day for you fishing?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, can you tell us the river? Is that?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 5: It was the Roaring Fort.
Speaker 3: Oh, it kind of tailed off at the end. Then
Speaker 3: it felt like you were regretting telling us that's.
Speaker 6: Not a secret.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 5: There's probably twenty boats on the Roaring Fort today.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you ever going to top that trout? Or
Speaker 3: is that a once in a life time fish?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't have a crystal ball for trout.
Speaker 5: That may be it because I just don't do that
Speaker 5: kind of fishing as nearly as much as I used to.
Speaker 5: But who knows. Anything could happen.
Speaker 3: All right, Yanna, you're next.
Speaker 2: Well, the third biggest fish I ever caught was say
Speaker 2: it is? You want me to say this fish?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yes, whatever fish is on the screen that you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I labeled them wrong. I was gonna finish with this one.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I think you you you labeled it number three.
Speaker 2: Probably be that you wanted to be shown.
Speaker 3: But I can't believe how hard this segment is.
Speaker 2: All right, so we told you you had problems before
Speaker 2: we started. This is a sailfish that I caught recently
Speaker 2: down in Guatemala, but tape measure out for that one. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I pulled one out of the water sailfish. I showed
Speaker 2: you guys a picture of that on an earlier episode,
Speaker 2: and uh, a couple of folks remind me that you
Speaker 2: shouldn't take those fish out of the water, really increase mortality.
Speaker 2: So uh, yeah it was. Uh, I've only caught a
Speaker 2: few sailfish. They were all roughly the same size to me.
Speaker 5: And uh, you caught that one on a flypole though, well.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was exactly that one that
Speaker 2: I caught on the fly rod, but uh, yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was a great trip. We had three anglers. We
Speaker 2: all caught quite a few of those sailfish and uh,
Speaker 2: beautiful place, beautiful water, rough seas though rough.
Speaker 5: Seas, did you yeah, you were you getting a.
Speaker 2: Little No, I was wearing the patch. Yeah I was good.
Speaker 2: But those guys you can see, they're the guy on
Speaker 2: the left is Zan and my brother in law. They
Speaker 2: decided on day three that they were all good with
Speaker 2: the patch and they didn't wear one on day three
Speaker 2: and it caught them.
Speaker 3: How did they take that picture?
Speaker 2: GoPro on a stick?
Speaker 3: Good looking photo? Good looking fish.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they know what they're doing. We're fishing with
Speaker 2: the selfish lodge of quite a mala. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Dm me on Instagram if you want to know more
Speaker 2: about them. A great outfit, all right.
Speaker 3: The third biggest fish I ever caught is this perch?
Speaker 3: Now that that I got a tape measure under it,
Speaker 3: Like Brody was saying, I did have a tape measure
Speaker 3: with me. I was fourteen and a quarter inches. It
Speaker 3: was two pounds exactly. I was south, it was in
Speaker 3: South Dakota. It was twenty twelve. I was fishing by
Speaker 3: myself that day. I was pulling plugs for Walleye. Did
Speaker 3: not expect to find that fish in that place. There's
Speaker 3: not a lot of perch in that lake where I
Speaker 3: caught that.
Speaker 5: Oh it gets me excited. Spencer, that's my favorite fish.
Speaker 3: And he hit a number five rupaula shad rap. And
Speaker 3: when perch get to that size, everything just looks wrong,
Speaker 3: Like they developed shoulders that they don't normally have that
Speaker 3: hump on their back. Yep, their their fins look too small.
Speaker 3: You start to they like they look so lethargic. The
Speaker 3: You're like, how is that thing staying well? Fed enough
Speaker 3: to grow to that size. But then you're reminded when
Speaker 3: you're pulling plugs for walleye and it smashes a shad
Speaker 3: rap that you'd expect, you know, only larger fish to
Speaker 3: be keeping up with. And then I got another picture.
Speaker 5: Did you eat him?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I threw that one back. Two years later I caught
Speaker 3: another fourteen inch or that one also weighed two pounds
Speaker 3: through that fish back as well. It was it was
Speaker 3: almost the same place, same time of year, same like,
Speaker 3: doing the same thing, pulling plugs for walleyes hooked into
Speaker 3: a big old perch. You can see pictures of these
Speaker 3: fish on our meat eater.
Speaker 5: You let those spencer.
Speaker 3: That's okay. You know what I've like since I've gotten older.
Speaker 3: If I were to catch that fish today, it's probably
Speaker 3: more likely I would keep it. But then I felt
Speaker 3: like I was I was really doing the Lord's work
Speaker 3: letting a fourteen inch perch go. But now I realized
Speaker 3: that like that thing probably had a year life left
Speaker 3: on it, that there was no harm in me keeping
Speaker 3: that big old perch in the middle of the good
Speaker 3: fish sandwich right there, all right, bro To, you're up next, Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't remember, oh, the second biggest fish I've ever caught.
Speaker 5: Now that this is a link cod, Oh, I'm supposed
Speaker 5: to wait for that.
Speaker 3: So this is a whole segment is a mess. Do
Speaker 3: whatever you like.
Speaker 5: That well, link cod get can get quite a bit
Speaker 5: bigger than this. The reason I put this one in
Speaker 5: here is because at the time I caught that up
Speaker 5: around Steve Shack, that was as big of a link
Speaker 5: cod as you could keep legally. Oh, that's why it's there.
Speaker 3: And how big is it?
Speaker 5: The slot that year was thirty to forty five inches,
Speaker 5: so it was it was like forty three forty four.
Speaker 5: It's hard to get an exact measurement in the bottom
Speaker 5: one of those skiffs. You can hang them and measure them,
Speaker 5: but it was it was just under the slot. So
Speaker 5: that's that's a good one. And now like that slot
Speaker 5: has gotten progressively smaller every year, so you wouldn't be
Speaker 5: able to keep that thing anymore.
Speaker 3: So how much bigger are the bigger ones that you've
Speaker 3: caught than this one.
Speaker 5: There's actually a second slot in that part of Alaska,
Speaker 5: and it's fifty five and over, and no fish ever
Speaker 5: seen one of those. They got to be down there somewhere,
Speaker 5: but they can get they can get five feet long
Speaker 5: fifty pounds. But that's a pretty good one beautiful fish.
Speaker 2: There, y your next, well, Spencer. The second biggest fish
Speaker 2: I've ever caught is that big old red fish is
Speaker 2: a big red fish also known as a bull drum
Speaker 2: that was caught off the coast of North Carolina with
Speaker 2: my wife's cousin, Captain rob Or also had my brother
Speaker 2: in law and his son with him. Was a great eat.
Speaker 2: We went out for like the night bite, so it
Speaker 2: didn't start fishing until it pretty much got dark, and
Speaker 2: we were fishing a shoal with just some cut bait,
Speaker 2: pretty simple, and we basically made three casts and we
Speaker 2: each got to catch a redfish roughly that size, and
Speaker 2: it was quite the tussle.
Speaker 3: The head on that thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing, Yeah, the head and shoulders. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's why I love these days being a freshwater angler
Speaker 2: for so many years and then doing more salt water
Speaker 2: in the latter part of my life. These fish just
Speaker 2: they fight, yeah, you know, they actually pulled back, which
Speaker 2: is what I enjoy so much. Where you know, the trout,
Speaker 2: you know, it's more of a finesse game. To get
Speaker 2: them to the net. But like that joker, you just
Speaker 2: don't know if you're going to actually win the win
Speaker 2: the battle there. But that one we did release.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are even allowed to keep them that big in
Speaker 5: North Carolina?
Speaker 2: You know that fish is probably that fish is definitely
Speaker 2: out of the slot. So yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 3: Fish, thank you again. Like the proportions when fish get
Speaker 3: this big for their species, the head, yeah is just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can imagine that thing doesn't run away for much.
Speaker 2: It's things. Most of most things are running away from
Speaker 2: it in that giant mouth.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: The second biggest fish I ever caught is this northern
Speaker 3: pike that Phil is showing us a photo of. Now,
Speaker 3: that was in twenty fourteen. I was senior in college
Speaker 3: at that point. That was the biggest pike I had
Speaker 3: ever caught. I was by myself pulling plugs for walleye.
Speaker 3: He was just under forty inches. And then three years later,
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, I caught a bigger one that then
Speaker 3: became my biggest fitter.
Speaker 5: I thought that the three biggest fish, the sixth biggest.
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm just giving you some context this This
Speaker 3: pike then was forty two inches. He weighed just over
Speaker 3: twenty pounds. He ate a number seven rapaula bleeding olive
Speaker 3: minto wrap, which is a plug they don't even make anymore.
Speaker 3: They have they have minnow body crank baits, but they
Speaker 3: don't make that specific one anymore. And I was again
Speaker 3: pulling plugs by myself. This was twenty seventeen. I was
Speaker 3: in the same light doing the same thing when I
Speaker 3: when I caught that other pike. Let both of those
Speaker 3: fish go that that.
Speaker 5: Got a big old gouge and it's back from another
Speaker 5: pike or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. That was fun that. You know,
Speaker 3: we were just talking about actually getting the fight a fish,
Speaker 3: getting to fight a twenty pound pike that doesn't even compare, dude,
Speaker 3: like you know the walleye that I was actually targeting
Speaker 3: that day. So that was my second biggest fish ever,
Speaker 3: forty two inch pike, just over twenty pounds. All right,
Speaker 3: we're at our biggest fish brody for the.
Speaker 5: Biggest one ever. Now, when do I wait for this
Speaker 5: noise to come in?
Speaker 3: Phil, here's what you do? What kind of fish is that?
Speaker 5: Tell me, well, that's the biggest fish I've ever caught,
Speaker 5: and it's a cocony.
Speaker 9: Sam.
Speaker 3: So here's what you do. You say, the biggest fish
Speaker 3: I ever caught is this cocony salmon, and then Phil
Speaker 3: plays the buoy.
Speaker 5: Gotcha?
Speaker 3: Yep, okay, great, great job. Now tell us about it.
Speaker 5: That's a cocony salmon, which is a landlocked version of
Speaker 5: a sake salmon, or they call him red salmon Alaska.
Speaker 5: In most places where there's cocony fisheries freshwater cocony lake
Speaker 5: fisheries in the mostly in the Western United States, those
Speaker 5: things are like twelve inches long. People love fishing for
Speaker 5: them because they're good to eat. That that thing's is
Speaker 5: like a monster for a cocaonee, And it's like maybe
Speaker 5: pushing five pounds or so. I didn't measure it, but
Speaker 5: you know, it's like, yeah, I kept it. I think
Speaker 5: it was somewhere twenty two to twenty four inches. I
Speaker 5: don't know exactly, but that's like for the species, that's
Speaker 5: an extremely large cocaine.
Speaker 3: See what were you doing when you caught that perch
Speaker 3: fishing buddy? Oh? Was that the only cocony you caught?
Speaker 5: That the only one we caught that?
Speaker 3: Wow, it just happened to get I never.
Speaker 2: Caught a cocone. You ever caught a cocaine?
Speaker 3: No? Never, Although I don't know how many times I've
Speaker 3: even been in a lake that had coconine. It's been
Speaker 3: pretty rare in my fishing days. That's that's a special fish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like it was. It was good eating too,
Speaker 5: It's very good eating.
Speaker 3: All right, Yanna, you're.
Speaker 2: Up, all right? The biggest fish I've ever caught, which
Speaker 2: was just supposed to be my third biggest fish, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. And I actually didn't even personally catch
Speaker 2: this fish. My girl Lindsey, Yeah. Do you remember Lindsay's
Speaker 2: last name?
Speaker 5: Meyer?
Speaker 2: Meyer? Yeah, Lindsay. And what was your husband try.
Speaker 5: To steal one of my clients for a little while?
Speaker 3: No, successfully did or not?
Speaker 2: I don't know. They fished with me for a while.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I left town, so Brody got him back,
Speaker 2: I guess. But Lindsay and Jim, they were the classic
Speaker 2: example of I.
Speaker 7: Still don't think we said the kind of fish.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a rainbow trout, very similar to Brody's third
Speaker 2: biggest fish.
Speaker 9: Huh.
Speaker 2: And classic example these two. She always was in the
Speaker 2: back and was like, Oh, I'm really not that into fishing.
Speaker 2: I'm just here for the views and the good time,
Speaker 2: and Jim would be fairly serious about it, but really
Speaker 2: she wasn't serious.
Speaker 5: Man, She got real serious with me after a while.
Speaker 2: U must have been a better I put her on
Speaker 2: a bunch of fish like this. She got serious, but
Speaker 2: she would listen to what the guide was saying. Jim
Speaker 2: would well, not that Jim wouldn't, but she did a
Speaker 2: much better job of listening, and so she would always
Speaker 2: outfish Jim from the back of the boat. But it
Speaker 2: was interesting about this particular deal. Is this on the
Speaker 2: Colorado River, and it was early season, water was still
Speaker 2: on the high side, and we'd had a particularly big
Speaker 2: runoff year, and fish like that weren't normal ever on
Speaker 2: this section of the Colorado River. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I think it was I think I was with another boat, actually,
Speaker 2: and I want to say, we floated through this pretty slow,
Speaker 2: deep hole and both boats hook up with these giant fish,
Speaker 2: you know, and it as a guide, You're like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, you know, what is that thing coming up
Speaker 2: underneath the boat? So Leviathan, so you kind of do
Speaker 2: anything and everything you can to land of fish like that.
Speaker 2: Lots of pictures and those fish hung out in that
Speaker 2: hole and in that area for quite some time. And
Speaker 2: whoever I was with, I remember being like, dude, we
Speaker 2: cannot tell anybody else because everybody's going to want to
Speaker 2: float through this section just to hit this one hole.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. The best we could figure is that there
Speaker 2: was a tributary near there. The best we could figure
Speaker 2: that there was probably a stocked pond upstream on that
Speaker 2: tributary and it probably got blown out and then these
Speaker 2: fishes swam down the tributary and got dumped into the river.
Speaker 3: So this was a short lived experience.
Speaker 6: The pigs.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, in my experience, I don't know. Again,
Speaker 2: I didn't have a tape on me. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was quite thirty inches, but you
Speaker 2: know it's probably close. But yeah, just in I mean,
Speaker 2: that fish is like more than double the size of
Speaker 2: the average travel we would catch that when you.
Speaker 3: Hooked into it, was there any question as to what
Speaker 3: it could be like? Did you know this is a
Speaker 3: big old rainbow?
Speaker 10: Ummm?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could look into a big
Speaker 2: mountain white fish that would but it wouldn't be that big.
Speaker 2: But eventually you get a look at it. You know,
Speaker 2: but when the rods is bent over a double and
Speaker 2: it's sitting down deep, yeah, you don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: And usually if your float fishing, especially with a client
Speaker 5: that hasn't fought a lot of big trout like that,
Speaker 5: you got to follow him around in the boat for
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the cool thing. Like as the guide in
Speaker 2: rowing a boat, you're almost doing as much fighting as
Speaker 2: the angler is because you're flipping the boat around, positioning
Speaker 2: it and then obviously fighting the current and you know,
Speaker 2: trying to stay in that slow water because nothing worse
Speaker 2: When you got a tank like that on and then
Speaker 2: you got to like row through a riffle or a
Speaker 2: small rapid, you know, shit can go wrong real quick.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that that Jannis did a very
Speaker 5: good job of releasing that fish in good shape, because
Speaker 5: our buddy Alvin Dedo had a client catch.
Speaker 3: It like a week later. I do you know the
Speaker 3: same one and picture?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it had to be.
Speaker 2: But there was a couple of fish. I think we're
Speaker 2: in that hole beautiful trout all right.
Speaker 3: Biggest fish I've ever caught is this paddlefish. Now, this
Speaker 3: is sort of cheating because I was working for the
Speaker 3: US Fish and Wildlife Service. That's a picture of my
Speaker 3: boss that I took of him. This was right after
Speaker 3: I graduated college. I worked at this fish hatchery and
Speaker 3: we raised a lot of things, but primarily pallid sturgeon
Speaker 3: and paddlefish.
Speaker 2: And we raised that dude is not you, that's not me,
Speaker 2: that he has a remarkable resemblance to you.
Speaker 4: He's not me. That was.
Speaker 3: That was my old boss, Craig. So this was this
Speaker 3: was twenty fifteen. We we would provide all of the
Speaker 3: paddlefish that were stocked in South Dakota's reservoirs, and so
Speaker 3: to do that, we'd have to go out and net
Speaker 3: adult paddlefish, bring them back to our hatchery, take their eggs,
Speaker 3: take their melt, raise the young, and then at the
Speaker 3: end of the summer early fall, we would release these
Speaker 3: twelve inch posing To get those things, this big old
Speaker 3: drift nets, just like one hundred foot long drift nets
Speaker 3: had had holes in them or if it was big
Speaker 3: enough for a paddlefish to swim in and get stuck
Speaker 3: like bill net stuck or because that would kill him,
Speaker 3: wouldn't they Well you're grabbing them asat Yeah, So this
Speaker 3: day it was just me and Craig on the boat.
Speaker 3: He was running the boat, I was running the nets.
Speaker 3: That paddlefish was just short of seven feet long in
Speaker 3: a weigh one hundred and twenty nine pounds, which would
Speaker 3: have broken the state record at the time, and she
Speaker 3: gave us hundreds of thousands of eggs. We released her
Speaker 3: about a month later. None of these people in this
Speaker 3: picture or me either, but this shows us taking her
Speaker 3: eggs after we gave her a hormone shot. And that
Speaker 3: took three adult men just to handle this one fish,
Speaker 3: and then another person to capture the eggs.
Speaker 5: How old is that fish?
Speaker 3: So that fish, it came from Lake Francis Case, which
Speaker 3: is a reservoir, and any adults that we were catching
Speaker 3: in that time that big were born before the dams
Speaker 3: were put in. That dam was put in in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty two. That fish was sixty five plus years old
Speaker 3: when we caught it. I'll never see another fish of
Speaker 3: that size, and my boss and I were absolutely thrilled.
Speaker 3: I remember feeling like such a badass that day when
Speaker 3: we got back to the boat dock that the two
Speaker 3: of us had did that, and I remember backing the
Speaker 3: boat down the boat dock and turn on the radio
Speaker 3: and Tom Petties won't back down his playing, and I
Speaker 3: cranked that up and we were so thrilled. We went
Speaker 3: into Chamberlaine that night drank our faces off.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: We were excited. That was a once in a lifetime fish.
Speaker 3: I caught it using nets that didn't catch it on
Speaker 3: a rodden reel. But I'll never forget that, old girl.
Speaker 3: There we go. Those are the three biggest fish we've
Speaker 3: ever caught. We're gonna figure out that segment someday. Six
Speaker 3: months into this show where we're still working out some kinks.
Speaker 7: Yea, let's give it nine.
Speaker 3: Okay, moving on, This is our last segment of the day.
Speaker 3: Joining us on the line last is James Kane and
Speaker 3: Barbie Augustini. They are magnet fishermen from New York City
Speaker 3: who had a life changing catch last year. James, Welcome
Speaker 3: to the show.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having Barbie is actually away
Speaker 10: at the moment where a little stomach issue.
Speaker 4: Okay, he'll be back, all right. How I broke here?
Speaker 4: How you doing?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 6: First day?
Speaker 3: For those not familiar, explain what magnet.
Speaker 10: Fishing is so magnet fishing where you take a giant
Speaker 10: magnet this size, you know what I mean, You put
Speaker 10: on a string and you throw it in the water
Speaker 10: that's lit and you and you're waiting for the fight,
Speaker 10: like you guys.
Speaker 3: The click, the click.
Speaker 4: Okay, you can feel it.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: Now hold on.
Speaker 2: I got more questions about that this part, because you're
Speaker 2: gonna move on. Go ahead. Are you dragging it? Are
Speaker 2: you moving it? Are you changing cast locations? Like how
Speaker 2: power click? If there's a piece of metal it's five
Speaker 2: feet away from that magnet, will it pull it over
Speaker 2: to it? Or do you need to land it right
Speaker 2: on top of it?
Speaker 10: The fairest connection point to uh, to these giant magnets
Speaker 10: you think would be that big, but actually it's more
Speaker 10: like especially when you're on the water, I think the
Speaker 10: pull the pull this is maybe five to six inches
Speaker 10: at max. So you do have to change location. You
Speaker 10: have to throw like you're still high school softball, So
Speaker 10: you got to.
Speaker 4: Throw it as far as you can. That's that's the secret.
Speaker 4: No one's gonna tell you.
Speaker 11: Let's one rip, Let's see your throat. We're getting to
Speaker 11: that at the end. He said, no, no, no, yeah, James
Speaker 11: hold on. At the end of the call, he's gonna
Speaker 11: show us how it's done. We're gonna learn more about
Speaker 11: magnet fishing. First though, what got you into magnet fishing?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: So, believe it or not. Uh, my family and I
Speaker 4: were very bored uh during COVID and we started watching videos.
Speaker 10: I always wanted to do treasure hunting as a little kid,
Speaker 10: but never had the background education, never had the financials
Speaker 10: to go on a boat and the gear and this
Speaker 10: and that. And then I saw someone putting a magnet
Speaker 10: on the water on a string on on YouTube.
Speaker 4: There are other channels down south that actually do it
Speaker 4: quite often. Uh, And I said, you know what, let's
Speaker 4: try this. My kids were like, you're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: You don't do nothing.
Speaker 10: So I actual we took the challenge and we went
Speaker 10: to our local pond and uh, yeah, it's all all
Speaker 10: goes from there.
Speaker 2: How much does the gear cost to get going and
Speaker 2: magnet fishing?
Speaker 10: So the rope is twenty bucks for like one hundred
Speaker 10: feet twenty thirty bucks.
Speaker 4: The magnets we're the level we're at now is a
Speaker 4: lot more powerful.
Speaker 10: So we have magnets that range from two to three
Speaker 10: hundred dollars when you when you first want to start,
Speaker 10: you can go on Amazon and spend thirty forty bucks
Speaker 10: just to see what it's like.
Speaker 4: So you don't have to, you know, to drop three
Speaker 4: hund's on a freaking giant powerful magnet.
Speaker 10: You can still get stuff with the low powered magnets,
Speaker 10: but when you become obsessed, you want.
Speaker 4: You want the good stuff. Hull fall. Yeah, and what kind.
Speaker 3: Of areas do you typically target when you're magnet fishing?
Speaker 10: So when we first started, we were just going to
Speaker 10: any bodies of water. Now I tend to look for
Speaker 10: so we're obviously we're in the middle of New York City,
Speaker 10: so anybody of water that there's a lot.
Speaker 4: Of foot traffic and houses and roads nearby.
Speaker 10: That's when people toss this stuf right out the right
Speaker 10: out the cars, and that's the best spot to go.
Speaker 4: Sometimes dangerous neighborhoods is the best spots.
Speaker 3: To love that. Now, normally when we're talking about fishing,
Speaker 3: we want to go where people are not but not
Speaker 3: not magnet fishermen.
Speaker 2: Do you use any sort of mapping apps like on
Speaker 2: x too, maybe scalot areas.
Speaker 10: Google maps, Google Maps, and then I sometimes you can
Speaker 10: find Google historical maps. I like to do research on
Speaker 10: the locations that we're in, and there's sometimes historical items
Speaker 10: you can find by using the older maps as well.
Speaker 3: That's good. Now, what are some of the most common maps.
Speaker 3: What are the most common things that you hook while
Speaker 3: magnet fishing?
Speaker 10: Bottle caps, rebar, rebar and nails, tons of rebar.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I guess when they're constructing or whatever they do, and
Speaker 10: the guys are to the people are done.
Speaker 4: They uh huh.
Speaker 3: And do you ever get skunked or you're always catching something?
Speaker 4: We have gotten stumped, scumped, skunked a couple of times. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 10: In high salty areas like on we have our Bay
Speaker 10: areas which mix into the East River over here in
Speaker 10: New York City. Something about the tides, which you know,
Speaker 10: I don't I don't fish. Maybe you guys can even
Speaker 10: explain that a little more. But when the tides are
Speaker 10: moving fast, the stuff is taken out into the ocean.
Speaker 10: So you don't get nothing on the island in Brooklyn,
Speaker 10: off the piers, you're not going to get nothing unless
Speaker 10: it's really heavy.
Speaker 4: The salt eating it up and the tides taking it out.
Speaker 3: Now, besides the safe that we'll get to in a
Speaker 3: little bit. What are some of the most unusual catches
Speaker 3: that you've had?
Speaker 4: What I can say on here, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: usually believe or not. I tell people when they're when
Speaker 4: they're watching.
Speaker 10: I used to say, oh, you never imagine what you
Speaker 10: can get, But now I tell them, you ce crazy.
Speaker 4: What you can't imagine is going to be to be
Speaker 4: on that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So guns, how many guns have you caught in
Speaker 3: the two years?
Speaker 4: We're almost on two years. We found about thirty five
Speaker 4: my goods, Yeah, crazy, thirty five guns.
Speaker 5: What are you doing with those when you find What
Speaker 5: are you doing with those when you find them? Are
Speaker 5: you contacting law enforcement or throwing them back in or what?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Dude, yeah, I used to think to call nine were one,
Speaker 10: nine to one one right away. Now we actually I
Speaker 10: try to call precincts. Yeah, and then the precincts precints.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you know. You got to call nine one one, And.
Speaker 10: I was like, it's not too much in an emergency,
Speaker 10: I have we have all the guns we have at
Speaker 10: the pump times we find grenades, do you have to call?
Speaker 4: I'm a New Yorker and my brother's a new Arker. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's impossible.
Speaker 10: It's nearly impossible to get up any kind of firearm
Speaker 10: license and you want to get called one not in
Speaker 10: New York City?
Speaker 2: Yeah nothing.
Speaker 5: Have you ever?
Speaker 3: Have you ever learned about the history of one of
Speaker 3: those guns, like what crime it was used in, or
Speaker 3: who owned it or anything like that.
Speaker 4: In the beginning, I was believe or not I was.
Speaker 4: I was actually scared, you know, I was nervous, Like
Speaker 4: I wasn't brought up around firearms. I'm not don't have
Speaker 4: a military background. Uh So I was nervous at first, like, oh,
Speaker 4: real gun, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 10: And then I find out in the future that there
Speaker 10: is Like you said, there are stories with them, and
Speaker 10: we have found some that are so fresh that were
Speaker 10: used only a week ago. And then your research and
Speaker 10: you find out wout this person passed away, this young
Speaker 10: person passed away, And sometimes detectives will actually call us
Speaker 10: with possible subpoenis to.
Speaker 4: Go to court. Yeah, I could get a little I
Speaker 4: think it's weird.
Speaker 2: I got a little weird.
Speaker 4: I choose sort of not to follow them.
Speaker 10: But there are other magnificiers that want to know the
Speaker 10: history and actually who's going to jail and who's what
Speaker 10: crime you think gets all from it?
Speaker 4: But I'm sure we helped out a lot of people.
Speaker 3: A lot so other weird things that you've caught, Anything
Speaker 3: really historic, anything really old.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we got we got a World War two
Speaker 10: grenade confirmed by the bomb the bomb squad. And she said,
Speaker 10: baby Brooklyn, Yeah, we have two grape shot canniballs Inci
Speaker 10: Park and City. Before the park was made, there was
Speaker 10: a garrison's there for the War of eighteen twelve. You know,
Speaker 10: it didn't happen over too much over there, but they
Speaker 10: would practice over there.
Speaker 4: So we got those and some.
Speaker 10: Really really old horseshoes on the valley stream. We must
Speaker 10: have like a three three hundred year old horseshoe. The coins,
Speaker 10: a lot of coins. You know, other countries coins are
Speaker 10: all magnetic. So in America the only magnetic coin is
Speaker 10: the forty three penny. So I haven't got one yet.
Speaker 4: It's a goal.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's talk about.
Speaker 2: About hold on. What happens when you latch onto something
Speaker 2: that is too big to yank out, Like you know
Speaker 2: it's there because you you've got the click, but it
Speaker 2: ain't budget. What do you do?
Speaker 4: Uh? What I like to call it is you gotta
Speaker 4: jerk it off. You just gotta you gotta take it
Speaker 4: right off the back. You gotta really hard, yeah, go
Speaker 4: of it. Yeah yeah, because when it's because these things
Speaker 4: are grab right hard. It didn't work out to a
Speaker 4: big safe. Actually a lot of stafs in New York
Speaker 4: City as well.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about what happened last year on
Speaker 3: May thirty. First, tell us where you were at and
Speaker 3: what you caught.
Speaker 4: So we were actually in.
Speaker 10: A park called Flushing, Flushing Queens of Corona Park, and
Speaker 10: we were throwing over there. This is like my second
Speaker 10: time over there, and we do have we have found safe.
Speaker 10: It's just like this one you're watching.
Speaker 4: Clicked onto it and I was like, oh, it's just
Speaker 4: gonna be another safe.
Speaker 10: And I stick my fingers in the hole and I
Speaker 10: feel something mushy.
Speaker 4: Which really sounds weird, but it was sacks of bills.
Speaker 10: And in my mind, I'm scared right away at this point,
Speaker 10: Like when I feel the money, I'm nervous because it's
Speaker 10: no way.
Speaker 4: We're gonna keep it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 4: I was like, Babe, I just want to get some knee.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go for pizza. We're gonna grab something you
Speaker 4: know good. But the money is so bad. The money
Speaker 4: is so mush and slush.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you can.
Speaker 4: And I'm just going crazy right now my mind.
Speaker 3: You can see this video of James catching this safe
Speaker 3: and going through it on our YouTube channel right now.
Speaker 3: So after you reel in the safe, the police had
Speaker 3: to get involved. What was that process, like.
Speaker 4: Believe it or not?
Speaker 10: To this day we get ranked on like why we
Speaker 10: actually contacted the NYPD and aosle in New York City
Speaker 10: that anything over one hundred dollars are supposed to call
Speaker 10: in and uh, we're trying to, you know, get.
Speaker 4: Our channel out there. I'm trying to do whatever I can.
Speaker 10: Maybe some and lost it and if they can get
Speaker 10: their money back, I would, yo, do here's your money,
Speaker 10: let me get like a hundred bucks. But the police
Speaker 10: were in shock as well. They didn't believe any of it.
Speaker 10: They didn't believe it. Then a whole squad comes down
Speaker 10: if you watch.
Speaker 4: Jors the other of our video, and they actually gave us.
Speaker 10: The money and and FBI got involved in the same
Speaker 10: thing as well and did their investigation. Took a few hours,
Speaker 10: and we walked off with all the money in a
Speaker 10: zip u bag.
Speaker 3: Amazing, So it is determined, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I'm surprised it was only
Speaker 2: a couple hours and then you literally walked away that
Speaker 2: day with that mundy money.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I was in shock as well. We had
Speaker 4: to go to Washington, DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got to keep the money. And for
Speaker 3: those who aren't watching on YouTube, those stacks of bills
Speaker 3: were covered in a black sludge from being underwater so long.
Speaker 3: So how do you go about turning those filthy bills
Speaker 3: into usable currency?
Speaker 10: So the process is done in Bureau of Engraving and
Speaker 10: Printing Printing in Washington, DC. We did some research, they
Speaker 10: found out what happened. They we went right on the bus.
Speaker 10: Times Square took a megabus right to DC and went
Speaker 10: to the Engraving and Printing and them the money. They
Speaker 10: explained to us the process. We didn't get to see
Speaker 10: too much of the lab and how they do that.
Speaker 10: But it's all going to be put back together.
Speaker 4: Piece by piece. Even the money we didn't it didn't
Speaker 4: bring because there was more in the safe that was
Speaker 4: just tiny obliterated pieces. They said we should have brought
Speaker 4: it because they can put it all they wanted to
Speaker 4: scoop out. Then they can put it all back together.
Speaker 4: It's going to take about two and a half years.
Speaker 4: We have zero sense at all. Then we have one
Speaker 4: group of people that do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 10: Only like seven people that do it for the entire
Speaker 10: America put all the money.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. Takes a long time.
Speaker 10: And how much How much money was it? They estimated
Speaker 10: between fifty to eighty thousand.
Speaker 3: Only okay only only only now during this process with
Speaker 3: the police and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, have
Speaker 3: you learned anything about the origins of the safe, like
Speaker 3: how old it is or is that still a mystery?
Speaker 10: I can only go on by, honestly, by the bills
Speaker 10: that were in there. We had some as far back
Speaker 10: as two thousand and seven and two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4: They had the magnetic strip in so I think the
Speaker 4: oldest bill is like two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Oh no, not that old.
Speaker 4: It looks like it's been at for barnacle throwing the crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're you're still like two years away from
Speaker 3: getting this cash back though, give or take.
Speaker 10: They said it could take up to two and a
Speaker 10: half years, so it could be any day now, all right,
Speaker 10: you know, well James, Barbie.
Speaker 3: Now James is standing at the pond where he caught
Speaker 3: the safe and he's got his Magbie on here. Now,
Speaker 3: Oh what's up Barbie? So James is standing at the pond,
Speaker 3: he's got his magnet. Can you show us how it's done.
Speaker 3: See if there's any treasure left in that bit of water?
Speaker 4: They got the we're gonna take.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna take a big toss with the ten nine
Speaker 10: pound magnet here.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I like to throw like I'm still in high school
Speaker 4: playing playing baseball. Uh huh.
Speaker 10: Basically you just some people could swing however they want.
Speaker 10: I like to swing like we're playing baseball.
Speaker 3: So, okay, have you gotten better at this James over
Speaker 3: the years, dude.
Speaker 4: Yes, challenge me. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: As far as I and I'm actually known for that,
Speaker 10: I actually want a belt title, actually leather championship belt
Speaker 10: for the longest toss in so far.
Speaker 3: Okay, what a tree we're gonna see the world champion
Speaker 3: magnet thrower. Give it a toss.
Speaker 2: Do your thing, James.
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna throw that car because I don't have
Speaker 10: that much, bro.
Speaker 3: Johann, he could throw farther than that.
Speaker 4: Oh I can.
Speaker 3: I don't have my phone, okay, okay, so what do
Speaker 3: you what do you think you might grab in there?
Speaker 3: Maybe some nails, like you talked about.
Speaker 10: We're in the New York are in the middle of New
Speaker 10: York City, so it's probably gonna be a weapon.
Speaker 4: Could be it could be a fire arm, it could
Speaker 4: be a tone clipper.
Speaker 9: Sure.
Speaker 3: Now, if you were really a good guest, James, you'd
Speaker 3: have planted a handgun in the water for us or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, we don't do any of that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you've got the magnet back to shore.
Speaker 4: Usually something.
Speaker 3: Okay, see what we got is.
Speaker 2: That a car park?
Speaker 10: It is looks like it's one of the New York
Speaker 10: City fire light posts.
Speaker 6: Light bulb.
Speaker 2: Okay, so.
Speaker 4: Got some ice breakers. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Something in there?
Speaker 4: Uh huh. Let's see what's in the ice breakers?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then yeah, that that went so fast, James, can
Speaker 3: you give it another toss for us? Let's see what
Speaker 3: else we can catch.
Speaker 7: Okay, I can clear the rest of our schedule.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you guys got going on today's Okay,
Speaker 3: what do you do with when it's just straight garbage
Speaker 3: that you catch.
Speaker 10: Uh, we collect all the garbage and a bucket, and
Speaker 10: then we disposed with all the receptor.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, all right, James is gonna give a.
Speaker 4: Second toss, really.
Speaker 3: Really, uh, put your body into this one. I want
Speaker 3: to see how far you can throw that thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's he's given himself more line. He's confident that this
Speaker 3: thing is going to touch the other shoreline.
Speaker 4: They want to you guys.
Speaker 3: Got any other questions for James.
Speaker 2: I want to return back to the giant safs that
Speaker 2: you left, like, I don't know how you could ever,
Speaker 2: the guy told you that he's like hooked on the
Speaker 2: giant safe and then you just moved on. Like what
Speaker 2: happens with the giant It was stuck.
Speaker 4: And we couldn't move. But it's still there, still there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll take a bigger throw.
Speaker 3: But yeah, bigger throw.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good throw. We're gonna get something really nice.
Speaker 4: It's ten pounds, you know what I mean. That's ten pounds.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yanni is stuck on the safe.
Speaker 2: He's stuck on the big safe. So you know where
Speaker 2: it is. You can't get it out, but there's a.
Speaker 10: Underwater you're into They chopped into the safe so it
Speaker 10: was empty.
Speaker 4: We could see that was empty and there try and
Speaker 4: get it up to the land. We couldn't get into it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you have to be at least like six inches.
Speaker 4: Was huge.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest sake.
Speaker 4: We had a little spin handle on it. The one
Speaker 4: we left was a vault vault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, now it looks like you got snagged on
Speaker 3: something there, James. Was that something magnetic or were you
Speaker 3: just dragging it over a log?
Speaker 10: It could be logs, It could be uh, rocks sometimes
Speaker 10: the stones that people throw in the water.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 10: You know, it could be bikes that are too deep
Speaker 10: that we sometimes.
Speaker 3: Okay, the James is bringing the magnet to shore again.
Speaker 3: Let's see what we got this toss. You can go
Speaker 3: see the World Champion Magnet Toss or on our YouTube
Speaker 3: channel watch James do his handywork.
Speaker 4: We got a paper clip. Oh, look at that treasure.
Speaker 2: And actual So.
Speaker 4: Think about magnet fishing. Sometimes you're gonna get a paper clip.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you're gonna get a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: You don't know, that's right, all right, James. If people
Speaker 3: want to see more of your magnet fishing. How do
Speaker 3: they go watch it?
Speaker 4: You could literally just.
Speaker 10: Go on online and typing let's get magnetic. We're on
Speaker 10: all social media platforms, but mainly too if you want
Speaker 10: to give me kay and say what's up?
Speaker 8: Okay, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook page.
Speaker 10: And one of the one of the interesting thing is
Speaker 10: we get a lot of lures and I always wanted
Speaker 10: to know if these things have value or not.
Speaker 3: I have we have like a box of all you
Speaker 3: text me some photo, James, We'll get to the bottom.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us, Thanks for teaching us
Speaker 3: about magnet fishing. Thanks for cleaning up our waterways, and
Speaker 3: good luck getting that cash refurbished.
Speaker 4: Guys, thank you so much for having us on.
Speaker 2: Everyone has fun, everybody, thank you. That was fun. That
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun for last you know.
Speaker 5: The one bummer about it is just shows you what
Speaker 5: kind of dirt bags people are. Yeah, for those guys,
Speaker 5: know the people are cleaning up.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what you want representing the great city
Speaker 2: of New York right there.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 2: I mean he's like, yeah, someone else can say that
Speaker 2: it's there. Hundred k. Just give me a hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: That is for Pete. That guy's great.
Speaker 3: We'll check in with the James again.
Speaker 7: But yeah, there, I want to just plug their their page.
Speaker 7: I've got an Instagram page. Two here, it's just let's
Speaker 7: get magnetic. It's all no, no apostrophe, all one word.
Speaker 7: He's on YouTube and Instagram.
Speaker 3: So yeah, doing uh, doing something fun. And they're cleaning
Speaker 3: up or water while they're Yeah, Brodie, you said your
Speaker 3: son had a magnet, but he gave up all.
Speaker 5: The centers pretty quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he needs to.
Speaker 3: Live in a place like New York City to really
Speaker 3: appreciate magnet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe it's a good thing that he never really
Speaker 5: found anything cool and he went right back to regular
Speaker 5: fishing after after like an hour doing the magnet fishing.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: That brings us to the end of the show. Phil,
Speaker 3: let's get some final listener feedback.
Speaker 7: Yes, sure thing, let's see here. I'll just grab this
Speaker 7: one because I'm it's that's the first one I saw.
Speaker 7: It is Phil hunter fish. The answer is kind of sort.
Speaker 3: Of what's the biggest fish you ever caught? Phil?
Speaker 7: I couldn't even tell you. Yeah, I mean people, a
Speaker 7: lot of people know this. I was not a hunter
Speaker 7: where I started working here and I still probably wouldn't
Speaker 7: consider myself a hunter, but I've gone out several times.
Speaker 7: The only person who really invites me out is col
Speaker 7: So thanks to Cal and no thanks to anybody in
Speaker 7: this room.
Speaker 6: Oh no, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Mostly I've just.
Speaker 7: Say, you know, an upland ducks, turkey, just pretty much
Speaker 7: just birds so far, that's kind of all I'm really
Speaker 7: interested in. I'm not really chomping out the bit to
Speaker 7: get out in the woods, but I wouldn't say no.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I'm saying. Would you take some meat
Speaker 3: if we hadn't meat for you?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well totally we can do that. Let's see
Speaker 7: you complete the fifth on this one. But maybe it'll
Speaker 7: just kind of show you your true colors.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 7: Our good buddy Leland asks if you had to join
Speaker 7: just one conservation organization, which one would it be.
Speaker 3: That's a tough I think we've talked about this before.
Speaker 3: But if I was just joining one and my membership
Speaker 3: always ran out, I'd join a different one the next
Speaker 3: year then, so I'd spread my memberships around. But for
Speaker 3: the rest of my life. I don't know what the
Speaker 3: answer would be. What do you boys think?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a tough question. Maybe tr tr CP doesn't
Speaker 5: you don't really have a membership there. Yeah, you can
Speaker 5: still support like some like I like them because they're
Speaker 5: like in DC, like hopefully like affecting policy that you know.
Speaker 5: That's that's a good choice there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think any of the groups that are non species
Speaker 2: specific that really work across the entire country and for
Speaker 2: all you know, outdoors people, So maybe tr CP or
Speaker 2: the Sportsman's Alliance or howell you know that are really
Speaker 2: involved across the board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ones that I benefit the most from probably
Speaker 3: National Dear Association and Pheasants Forever because in my home
Speaker 3: state of South Dakota they do a lot of great
Speaker 3: habitat work and that same habitat work is good for
Speaker 3: deer as well. But I'd probably go with something that's
Speaker 3: oriented towards access like b h A, because uh, if
Speaker 3: I have places to go hunt fish wouldn't matter.
Speaker 5: But man, it look, have you got like a critter
Speaker 5: you like the most, turkeys or mule deer or whatever. Like,
Speaker 5: It's not like you're not making a bad choice by
Speaker 5: supporting those groups either, That's right?
Speaker 3: What else you got?
Speaker 7: Phil Caleb asks, as a beginner to turkey hunting. What
Speaker 7: would be the cruise go to call or a Phelps
Speaker 7: family here. But if you guys have any sort of
Speaker 7: specific Phelps calls that are beginner friendly.
Speaker 2: Well, for me, it's answer is easy. It's always just
Speaker 2: a basic slate call, pot calling. Yeah, basic slate pot call,
Speaker 2: very easy to use, can make all kinds of sounds, loud, quiet,
Speaker 2: that's it right.
Speaker 7: Colin asks what's your favorite fish dish, whether to prepare
Speaker 7: it or eat it?
Speaker 3: Beer battered fish. Can't beat it, That's it's my favor.
Speaker 2: You're a beer batter.
Speaker 5: I can't do the beer batter man when not, I
Speaker 5: just I like, I like when I eat in restaurants,
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is way too much shit around the fish,
Speaker 5: and that when I've tried at home, I haven't been
Speaker 5: able to like do it to the point where I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is better than bread and fried breaded fish.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'd like to see you or I'd like to
Speaker 2: try your version and see how you pull it off,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I know other people that are big beer
Speaker 2: batter folks, but yeah, I'm kind of with Brody. I'm like, Eh,
Speaker 2: it's good for the first couple of pieces, and then
Speaker 2: I'm like Yeah, it's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: We'll have a fish fry sometime.
Speaker 5: But it's like, this is a tough one to pick
Speaker 5: one fish dish because there's like very different kinds of fish, right,
Speaker 5: Like there's fish like perch and walleye that are awesome fried,
Speaker 5: but then there's like salmon, which is like awesome grilled.
Speaker 5: So that's what I go with fried fish grilled fish,
Speaker 5: depending on what kind of fish it is.
Speaker 2: Honest, Yeah, it's not the dish so much. I'd say
Speaker 2: that more of just the species itself. And one of
Speaker 2: the fish I was going to possibly use for my
Speaker 2: the our top three fish segment was a yellow eye
Speaker 2: rock fish I caught years ago at Steve's fish Shack.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know that thing is like a It's
Speaker 2: like a grouper and a scallop had a baby, you know,
Speaker 2: That's what their flesh is like. Like you literally just
Speaker 2: don't need to add anything to it, you know, besides
Speaker 2: a little bit of salt and and again just cooked
Speaker 2: very plain and simple.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: If I wasn't picking beer banded fish, I do like
Speaker 3: a very Midwestern chowder that would be very creamy, have
Speaker 3: some corn in it. You can put about any fish
Speaker 3: in there besides a salmon.
Speaker 2: I do like a good we do it.
Speaker 5: We do a salmon chowder is great, it's popular in Northwest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put any fish in there. Tell what else you got,
Speaker 3: Let's do a few more.
Speaker 7: Okay, this is the by far the question we've been
Speaker 7: getting the most. But there's a lot of misinformation about
Speaker 7: it out there, but we should probably just say a
Speaker 7: few words about it. What does the crew think about
Speaker 7: the dire Wolf de extinction?
Speaker 3: They're not dire Wolves number one. The branding is all wrong.
Speaker 5: Cover of Times, Look magazine, look up our body. Jim
Speaker 5: helflefingers post on it. He's got a good Instagram post
Speaker 5: on it. I think it's like a giant marketing campaign.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's conservation as they're proposing it is.
Speaker 5: And then like I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you can if you want more information Straight
Speaker 7: from the Horse's Mouth, episode five sixty four of the
Speaker 7: Media podcast. We had Matt James of Colossal by Biosciences
Speaker 7: on the show. Joannis and Brodie were in the room
Speaker 7: for that time. So yeah, you can check that out
Speaker 7: for more info.
Speaker 3: And if we if we had the ability to actually
Speaker 3: bring things back from extinction. Let's focus on the things
Speaker 3: that we cause to go extinct, not some critter that
Speaker 3: died during the ice age. How about the dodo or
Speaker 3: passenger pigeon? Is it the white rhino that we're got
Speaker 3: like one left of in the world. Let's let's de
Speaker 3: extinct those. But yeah, the or keep ship from going
Speaker 3: extend about that? That's right. We got a lot of
Speaker 3: efforts that we could focus on that area.
Speaker 7: Uh, yeah, we'll do one more kind of running out
Speaker 7: of him here. But Chris asked, does the crew have
Speaker 7: aversion to hunt the Pacific Northwest temperate rainforest obviously prove
Speaker 7: a serious challenge of fine game, but could definitely make
Speaker 7: for some awesome content. Cheers from the Olympic Peninsula. I
Speaker 7: have noticed that it's a bit light on Pacific Northwest content.
Speaker 7: Is there a reason for that?
Speaker 4: Specific?
Speaker 5: I mean Southeast Alaska is oh, yeah, sure, climate was
Speaker 5: very similar, very similar, So I don't think. I think
Speaker 5: that's probably like Steve owns a place up there, so
Speaker 5: that's why they're going there. I don't think there's an
Speaker 5: aversion to it, is there? You honest?
Speaker 2: No, I've been looking at you know, maybe going hunting
Speaker 2: blacktail deer in that neck of the woods. But for
Speaker 2: a lot of the other species there or those states
Speaker 2: just generally aren't very friendly to non residents. It's not
Speaker 2: easy to get tags in Oregon and Washington. So I
Speaker 2: know there's some out there. I'd love to go hunting
Speaker 2: Roosevelt at some point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Phelps and those guys they hunt.
Speaker 7: Ye, yeah, that's that's Phelps home turf over there. He's
Speaker 7: he's in the in the forest deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it organ? I don't think they do preference points.
Speaker 5: No organ does. I think that's one reason why it's
Speaker 5: real tough to get.
Speaker 7: And it's very different climate wise. But Cal's done several
Speaker 7: things in eastern Oregon that you can see on on YouTube.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Washington's a tough state for non residents too,
Speaker 5: all right, is that it?
Speaker 2: Phil? Oh? I like Matt's question about once in a
Speaker 2: Lifetime tags?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, last question?
Speaker 7: Am I blind here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 7: Matt asks what are the room's thoughts on quote once
Speaker 7: in a lifetime tag drawings?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 7: The PA Game Commission is pushing to change the bowelt
Speaker 7: tag till once in a lifetime format.
Speaker 5: I mean my thought is is a lot of those
Speaker 5: a lot of tags that aren't once in a lifetime
Speaker 5: tags like that aren't done that way, like sheep or
Speaker 5: mountain goat or and a lot of cases moose in
Speaker 5: the lower forty eight, they were once in a lifetime
Speaker 5: tags anyway, really, right, So I don't have a problem
Speaker 5: with like if I draw a big horn sheep tag
Speaker 5: and kill a big horn sheep in Montana, say, I'd
Speaker 5: be fine if it was once in a lifetime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it should be that way. I prefer
Speaker 2: it that way because, yeah, it is such a limited
Speaker 2: resource and if I was to get so lucky to
Speaker 2: draw it too, right, and there's hundreds of the other
Speaker 2: people that are, you know, waiting and waiting and want
Speaker 2: that experience, Like, yeah, I don't think I should get
Speaker 2: a second opportunity. I think someone else should get there first.
Speaker 5: And for I mean we're talking specifically lower forty eight here, right,
Speaker 5: Like if you did, if you drew them out and
Speaker 5: goat tag in wherever Colorado and it was once in
Speaker 5: a lifetime and you really wanted to go hunt one again,
Speaker 5: you could, you know, go hunt them in Alaska or
Speaker 5: somewhere like that.
Speaker 2: If that's right, You know that's right?
Speaker 3: Agree? With what you boys said, all right. That brings
Speaker 3: this to the end of the show. See everyone back
Speaker 3: in the new week. Thanks for watching, Thanks for listening.