WEBVTT - Draft Show: NFL Combine Invites & Snubs

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<v Speaker 1>Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>on the your war room for in center news and

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<v Speaker 1>at the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectazikiel Elliott and

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<v Speaker 1>now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's another day here at the Draft Show. Brian brought

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<v Speaker 1>us Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. We

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<v Speaker 1>welcome everybody here as we work our way to the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen NFL Draft. A big announcement from the Cowboys today.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Jones Anderson at the facility, actually at the at

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<v Speaker 1>eight T and T Stadium talking about things the ambassadors

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<v Speaker 1>for the draft with DeMarcus Ware Andrew Pearson. So nice

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<v Speaker 1>to hear some news with the draft being in our

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<v Speaker 1>own backyard, first time it's ever going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a stadium. I'm really I'm excited. I'm yeah, I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see, you know, and the way that can the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys do things, you know, with game productions and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I'm very interested to see what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a league it's a league deal. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a league event. But you know, the Cowboys will have

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<v Speaker 1>a little have a little saying like, hey, once you

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<v Speaker 1>try this, once you try that, and hopefully everybody but

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<v Speaker 1>should be a good three days in the area. A spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be a spectacle. We'll be here, We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>in this little room for three days. Say it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look a whole lot different. Yah, we'll hunker down. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go through all the picks with you, as we'll

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<v Speaker 1>always do picks one through a two fifty two or

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty six, whatever number we have the next event

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<v Speaker 1>on the schedule. And I do want to get into

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<v Speaker 1>this because I think it's important. The Combine list came

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<v Speaker 1>out yesterday, Dane Burglar, and I'm always interested about the

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<v Speaker 1>guys that, uh, you know, of course, you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get What was the total number of guys

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<v Speaker 1>that we got for the combine this year to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>or three twenty six, three twenty six, And give me

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<v Speaker 1>the number of the guys that that that don't go

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<v Speaker 1>and get drafted. What was that number? Over the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years, the averages thirty five players about thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>players get drafted every year that aren't good and then

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<v Speaker 1>they're one hundred and ten players that go get drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me focus on the guys that are gonna go. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll focus on those guys. Wow, you know, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a third of the guys that are going to be there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they this nfs Uh, they'd say their goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to invite everybody who's going to be drafted that's there. Yeah. Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they are they living up to that goal? The

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<v Speaker 1>number TEA with the numbers, do the numbers appear that

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that they're that they're going the right way

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<v Speaker 1>about that with you know, it's gonna happen where a

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<v Speaker 1>few players are gonna slip through the crack. Sure, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five every year. That's a little too many. And I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. Look, they're thirty two teams drafted here thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two you know, different schemes, different philosophies, different understandings of

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<v Speaker 1>the players they're looking for. So you know, we're they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be different opinions. But to miss a thirty five guy,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot and a lot of some of these

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<v Speaker 1>guys are late bloomer, you know, in the process that

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<v Speaker 1>workout Warriors. So they're gonna, you know, do really well

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<v Speaker 1>at the Pro Day and all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 1>turn into a six or seventh round pick. That'll happen. Understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>But for some of these snubs, they're just not three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty six better players. But it didn't drafting them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, wild I was. I was makes the undrafted

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<v Speaker 1>free agency free for all on Sunday afternoon a little

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<v Speaker 1>more exciting though, right you know. I was going through

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<v Speaker 1>and and some guys that that I was looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going back and kind of saying some guys

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<v Speaker 1>some names that I hadn't seen, and I mentioned up

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<v Speaker 1>that I mentioned to you that the kid from Old

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<v Speaker 1>Dominion Teamy, Yeah Boomy, Uh bummy bummy, but bu m

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<v Speaker 1>I Boomy, Okay bummy Sureimmy bummy rut Timmy. That's pretty good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>bummy rut Timmy from Old Dominion. Okay, young man's going

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<v Speaker 1>to combine. I watched him on tape today. He is

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<v Speaker 1>not a better player than Punaford, who is the top snublish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just telling you right now, I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what, And no offense the folks out

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<v Speaker 1>there at Old Dominion. You know Nancy Lieberman final alumni

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<v Speaker 1>theres yeah, you and the Commonwealth and the Commonwealth exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is not a better player then than Poonaford. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you this though. There's there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of guys I did I did not know about that

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<v Speaker 1>that are at this that got invited that I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>seen yet. I will and I know you need to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this guy. Yeah, but Matt Dickerson from UCLA,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you? No, don't do that to me, Ken,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that. He's a defensive tackle. Yeah, he's didn't

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<v Speaker 1>playing a little bit three technique, play a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy sixty three, two hundred ninety pounds. That's his

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<v Speaker 1>measurables right there. He might be a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that you would say is a four three

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<v Speaker 1>defensive end, Isn't that? Isn't that the fun thing? A

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<v Speaker 1>little bit though, Like everybody, I everybody chips in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit like I did not know anything about him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it together. I thought, I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>several of the top defensive linemen in this thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I had an idea I just get in the

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<v Speaker 1>third round. Well, he missed most of the year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, well we watched the game, watch the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>A and M in Stanford game, and tell me you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't draft this kid. Oh yeah, No, I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he's kind of going overlooked at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you overlook a guy? I mean, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to combine, So that's a good that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>right there. But I mean I could say Ford. I

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<v Speaker 1>look back at Ford and I'm thinking, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the kid at Old Dominion and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you know? Why do you think that is? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they want to have I got it, I got

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<v Speaker 1>my idea, Dane. Do you think they want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a small school big school disparity? I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>they are married to their preseason grades. They preaching really dumb. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Yeah, the grades that they come out with

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<v Speaker 1>over the summer, which you know, there's how many teams

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe to NFS. It's like twenty, yeah, something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's like eight that belonged to Blessed four

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<v Speaker 1>that don't belong to any scouting service. They they're a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller scouting service. But yeah, the preseason grades that they

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<v Speaker 1>come up with over the summer. They're so married to

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<v Speaker 1>those and they don't change them enough. That's insane based

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<v Speaker 1>on the senior see. Oh yeah, absolutely. So a guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Poona Ford who didn't have a lot of juice

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<v Speaker 1>coming into the year, but then he turns into the

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<v Speaker 1>big twelve defensive linemen of the year, Yeah, fantastic twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets overlooked because he wasn't highly graded enough in

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, and it hurts a player like that unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think that that's my theory on how

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of happens. Would you agree with that? Brian

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<v Speaker 1>nosolutely agree with that. You've got eight No, screw that

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<v Speaker 1>college football ends on Thanksgiving, You've got two and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>A little too, I think we're a little too snobbish

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<v Speaker 1>there right now. I think we're a little too snobbish

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that we the way that we go

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<v Speaker 1>about picking these players for the common you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability to have some flexibility at this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And trust me, I've been going to the thing since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two. I've seen it when it wasn't on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a day I'm like, there's no way in

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<v Speaker 1>hell they're putting this on TV and now it's like

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<v Speaker 1>must see, must see. There were ten there were ten

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<v Speaker 1>twelve riders covering it. I thought about this this morning, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we we cover the championship parade like it's

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<v Speaker 1>and now like if if you can put it on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, the Combine has now become like must

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<v Speaker 1>watch TV in the NFL calendar and something else. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's hurt um some of these seniors. Is all

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<v Speaker 1>the underclassmen coming out, right, because that's in the way

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<v Speaker 1>the Combine does it is they send out the invites

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<v Speaker 1>and waves, and so they hold off a good chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of invites until we get the official underclassmen list, which

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<v Speaker 1>isn't released until you know, January fifteen, sixteen seventeenth around there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that next wave goes out to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these underclassmen. That's some we didn't expect to come out.

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<v Speaker 1>So the excessive number of underclassmen hurts a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these seniors who then lose a spot because of some

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<v Speaker 1>of these underclassmen. Yeah, and we find it out a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these underclassmen can't play. There's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>something they can do. Yeah, we've got to figure something out. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>go through. I just want you to go through a

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<v Speaker 1>few of your guys well and the snubs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you mention I'm like one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>players into this thing, and you know you're well beyond that.

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<v Speaker 1>We mentioned Punaford. Yeah, he's a good player that should

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<v Speaker 1>be going. Yeah, I think the cat from Old Dominion shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>My second highest graded guy right now. I think is

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<v Speaker 1>Doris Fountain from Okay, We've talked about him, guy from Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna test really well wherever that is it's Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Day whatever I thought an Iowa BA. Yeah, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>test really well. He's an ideal late round candidate to

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<v Speaker 1>stash on your team. Develop him. Like him a lot

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of Senior Bowl guys. Kind of surprising. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley Bozeman, the center from Alabama had a good week.

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<v Speaker 1>Had now he wasn't bad. No, he had a good week.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh do you think because the center class is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit deeper that Bozeman didn't get yet? But he

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<v Speaker 1>he's not is he's He's a guy that deserves an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to go. I agree, I'll see him at Pro Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to Alabama's pro day, by the way, are

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<v Speaker 1>you Yeah? I'm gonna drive. When did you When did

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<v Speaker 1>you decide that? Just two minutes ago? Just right now,

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<v Speaker 1>just right now, there's gonna be fifteen guys out there,

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<v Speaker 1>so you might I'm gonna go and be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of Alabama's pro day. Okay, I'm just gonna make that true.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to get to Alabama on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>How far from Dallas? About eight It's about eight and

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<v Speaker 1>a half hours. You just take you just take twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty across on hours east. I'll go see that center. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>How about a few safety that didn't have to invite? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Treyvon Henderson Hawaii. We talked about him at the Senior Bowl, Darling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Reeves South Alabama. See, now there's another guy that

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<v Speaker 1>you know. You watched the South Alabama tape, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>he's a good football player. I mean, I'm watching him.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see what I said. I mean, I'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>At one time in my life, I used to be

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<v Speaker 1>all just take notes off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't do that well. Jeremy Reeves is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>he played corner, played strong, and this past year they

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<v Speaker 1>moved in the free safe. Yeah he was terrific. Oh, absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you, Dan, I watched the kid. I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember everything about him. Here, let's see, where's my man.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a draftable player. Yeah, I don't think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>top one hundred player, but he's a draftable player. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he is. And and like you say, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the ball skills, you're talking about the physicality as a tackler.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a lot of positive things about this kid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and they say he was He got an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to play at his home, his home stadium there,

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<v Speaker 1>and he showed up. Well he did, which you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>what like, if you show up well, you should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go to the combine at these bowl games

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>crying for an Alabama guy that doesn't get invited because

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<v Speaker 1>the whole league is going to descend on his building

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<v Speaker 1>for their pro day. I'll be there. But South Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>and Hawaii, I mean, don't get me wrong. In the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll turn over every stone, but the Hawaii Pro Day,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably not going to be as well attended as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What they do. What they do is those kids, they

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<v Speaker 1>bring them, they bring them to the mainland. Yeah, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>do in California. Where where will it be though, like

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<v Speaker 1>UCLA USC one of those whoever San Diego States sever

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches are tight. Yeah, yeah, those kids. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to travel to Hawaii to work these kids out.

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<v Speaker 1>They will bring the kids to you. Right, Maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>was a bad example. Some of some of these kids

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<v Speaker 1>aren't going to get the opportunity to be seen at

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<v Speaker 1>South Alabama exactly right. Should we've already been to Mobile once.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the kid play South Alabama will probably have I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you're saying. Eight scouts there, Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on their way to on their way to Florida State

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<v Speaker 1>or what exact games will they these scouts will line

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<v Speaker 1>it up, let's play well, let's play Devil's advocate like

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<v Speaker 1>I you know. As frustrating it might be for us

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<v Speaker 1>that some of these kids aren't invited. There's probably scouts

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<v Speaker 1>that are like keep them out of endy good exactly's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely I gotta beat on this guy. I just think

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<v Speaker 1>the medicals say, and yeah, you're right, we'll bring these guys,

0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the medical thing is the most important thing at the combine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, and that's just and that's what we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have access to, and that hurts our board sometimes. Yeah No,

0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that's I mean, we're until the tape until April wind.

0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh Jane was up on the show and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that guy you love, he's not getting drafted. No,

0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.959
<v Speaker 1>that's got a bad problem. The problem we have with

0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.120
<v Speaker 1>that is and you're absolutely right, it happens where you

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<v Speaker 1>have a guy as a first, second, third round grade

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, well, Dane, who do you

0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.720
<v Speaker 1>got left on your board? Well? I have so that

0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.880
<v Speaker 1>what was that pit tackle several years ago? Clemens had

0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a hurt foot, Nobody really knew about it, and all

0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.120
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, it's like we're sitting in day three

0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking at Dan. Something is wrong with Clement?

0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl champion jay a Gy Yeahraisy State fans still

0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.760
<v Speaker 1>hate me. I'm out on Well, you were right though,

0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what I said after the draft, like he went

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<v Speaker 1>to the fifth round obviously something was going on. Oh,

0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.800
<v Speaker 1>they just they read your report and they didn't You

0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.360
<v Speaker 1>give me a lot of credit where you think that

0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.400
<v Speaker 1>NFL teams see what I say and say, oh, we're

0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.079
<v Speaker 1>gonna back off him. No teams flagged him because of

0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:26.959
<v Speaker 1>his injuries, and look good for him. He's played in

0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.959
<v Speaker 1>the league with three years now, two thousand, two thousand

0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.720
<v Speaker 1>plus rushing yards and er Bowl champion, sparked the little

0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.880
<v Speaker 1>thing on his finger. So good for him that he's

0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.360
<v Speaker 1>been able to do it. I was rooting for him.

0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll never get over that. He should have been a cowboy.

0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Every year there's gonna be these guys. This year, it

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<v Speaker 1>probably a guy that we we've talked at length about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we'll be the medicals. Yeah, in a month,

0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll be talking about oh depleted. Oh no, yeah, oh

0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:56.079
<v Speaker 1>he's got a narrow spine. Seriously, No, it happens. You're

0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.679
<v Speaker 1>sitting there and you're and you're like, you're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so excited about seeing these guys at the combine

0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.720
<v Speaker 1>the workout, and you're like, all right, man, the tape's good,

0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the workout's good. Oh wait a minute, he's got what

0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.800
<v Speaker 1>he's got on a regular heartbeat. Oh he's a he's

0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a this, you know, he's he's got this kind of trait.

0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But it does sells or something. You know, thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty five of these guys, give or take, won't

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<v Speaker 1>be in a position for us to know that, which sucks.

0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.040
<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly the point, because, yeah, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>nice to know the full medical information on some of

0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.320
<v Speaker 1>these guys that you know, take a guy I was

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.760
<v Speaker 1>just finished his report the other day, Cameron Moore from

0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Boston College. Yeah, he's an interesting player. I think might

0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.720
<v Speaker 1>be a better safety than corner. But he is a

0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.160
<v Speaker 1>guy that the last three years twice his season ended

0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.480
<v Speaker 1>early with an injury, and you just you worry about, Okay,

0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.080
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with the durability is long term? Is

0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that something you've got to be worried about for a

0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of these players that don't get invites to the

0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.080
<v Speaker 1>combine you're going based on you know, you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to bring him in as a thirty visit, Yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>get kind of the information or you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of stresses the team a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>get that info. Yeah, I say, I always appreciate the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they do a better job now with

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<v Speaker 1>the combine being later in February, super late this year,

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<v Speaker 1>Later in February March because traditionally March twelfth was like

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<v Speaker 1>the day of all the big workouts. I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a week later on that. But you're

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<v Speaker 1>giving kids the opportunity to at least finish their season

0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and then get ready for the combine. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>at least allow I mean, the best thing in the

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<v Speaker 1>world was. I always respected the kids that worked out

0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.360
<v Speaker 1>at the combine. You know. But then again, if a

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<v Speaker 1>kid can run, he can run. Yeah, there's kids that

0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.560
<v Speaker 1>can roll out of bed and run. Sitting here thinking

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<v Speaker 1>even even the Alabama and Georgia kids who weren't done

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<v Speaker 1>until January eighth, Yeah whatever, I mean there, it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>two months after the fact. Sure they could get ready.

0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.720
<v Speaker 1>If you can run, you can run. But it gives

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<v Speaker 1>you six weeks to go work on your three cone

0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.120
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is you want to work on. No.

0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I just and that's a completely different problem altogether. A

0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.480
<v Speaker 1>team or these guys are training for oh, sure, combine

0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.320
<v Speaker 1>exercises instead of football. There was a time where that

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<v Speaker 1>that's just that's the beast at this point, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>television's that's where television's helped the player, if you want

0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.600
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, because you show those drills right there

0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.920
<v Speaker 1>used to be a time where nobody really knew what

0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.160
<v Speaker 1>the drills wore at the combine. Yeah, it was interesting. Um,

0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I went back and I was looking at combine data. Um,

0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, I looking at Trell Owens and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went back to the ninety six combine. Uh

0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that's when Owens and Dawkins is in that draft. Yeah. Uh.

0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.840
<v Speaker 1>And they didn't have the three cone. They had the

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<v Speaker 1>four square four square. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot all

0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.240
<v Speaker 1>about that. They went from the four square to the

0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.200
<v Speaker 1>three cone right in the in the late nineties. So

0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that was interesting. Abracado, Yeah, with his baby God rushed

0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.840
<v Speaker 1>your Solcio, one of the great scouts. Never ever go

0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.160
<v Speaker 1>out and hit the road. First guy ever went scouting

0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.360
<v Speaker 1>with ron Wolf sent me with him to Iowa. Says,

0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.400
<v Speaker 1>you're going to meet this guy at Iowa. Don't miss

0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.640
<v Speaker 1>it's the legend. Don't mess it up. Passed Away was

0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.800
<v Speaker 1>with the Houston Oilers and then the Tennessee Titans. Just

0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.240
<v Speaker 1>a great but he invented the three cone drill. And

0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's to me people ask about that all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. What's the most important drills? I love those

0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.560
<v Speaker 1>drills with the movements, the short shuttles, the three cones,

0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:20.560
<v Speaker 1>those are the drills that important. I mean, I want

0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.680
<v Speaker 1>to see guy be able to redirect. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see guy a balanced movement quickness. Alonzo high Smith who

0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.719
<v Speaker 1>longtime Scott with the Packers now at the Brown Yeah,

0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.400
<v Speaker 1>he told me that, you know the most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>is how does a player perform in space? Yeah? How

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.240
<v Speaker 1>does a player hold up in space? And the three

0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.000
<v Speaker 1>cone and those kind of drills help illustrate exactly that.

0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.600
<v Speaker 1>So that does help, Yeah, it sure does. I just

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I love the combine, but really focus

0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.840
<v Speaker 1>on the medical aspect of it. Yeah, that's where you

0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.120
<v Speaker 1>really really really need to focus. A few more guys

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't get Arron Johnson, the Weaver State corner that

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<v Speaker 1>the Senior Bowl he is not going. A couple Auburn guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Williams, a linebacker will him Yeah, And Trey Matthews,

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<v Speaker 1>the safety he will not be at the Combine. See now, people, Okay,

0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Trey Matthews has an interesting story because of what happened

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to him at Georgia. Kicked out of George after his

0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.560
<v Speaker 1>freshman season. See this is things you could learn when

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<v Speaker 1>you if you have a kid at the combine, rightet,

0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 1>eighteen minutes with a guy, yeah, you get eight You

0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.639
<v Speaker 1>get time to sit there and visit with him and

0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.960
<v Speaker 1>have an opportunity to ask him a few more questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you'd have to bring him in or do something

0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.600
<v Speaker 1>at his work. He's had plenty of injuries too. He

0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.080
<v Speaker 1>had he had surgery on both shoulders within a four

0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.960
<v Speaker 1>week period. Yeah, I mean there's so there's durability stuff

0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.520
<v Speaker 1>there too. So yeah, Trey Matthews would have been a

0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.320
<v Speaker 1>perfect guy to have at the combine for the off field,

0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.560
<v Speaker 1>for the medical and then I'm he's kind of a

0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.639
<v Speaker 1>safety linebacker tweeter a little bit. I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>how he performs in some of these agility drills. So yeah,

0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.640
<v Speaker 1>it's disappointing he won't be there that that's too bad

0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.080
<v Speaker 1>for him. And one of the guy I wanted to

0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.800
<v Speaker 1>mention Joe Ausman from Central Michigan. There is a guy

0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.400
<v Speaker 1>who led the FBS averaging one point three sacks per

0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.800
<v Speaker 1>game this past year. So Ausman, say the name Joe Ausmon,

0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Joe Aston, Michigan, Central Michigan. He's undersized, short arms, smaller guy.

0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 1>So the measurables aren't there, but still I would I

0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.120
<v Speaker 1>have liked to see I thought he deserved a chance

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.160
<v Speaker 1>a bit combine sack a game one point three sacks

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<v Speaker 1>for Yeah, I led the FBS bad great name, Joe

0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Ausmon the mack. Take a look at my guy Dickinson too,

0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.159
<v Speaker 1>by the way, from Yeah, from UCLA. He's on the

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<v Speaker 1>list for sure. Please watch him today. He'll appreciate me later.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of my I always say this, this

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<v Speaker 1>tell me more after the combine. It's one of my

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<v Speaker 1>such a new and different medium. Yeah. Now I'm kind

0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.639
<v Speaker 1>of watching the comments and stuff like that, you know.

0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, people are ripping you Helme, and that's okay.

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll let them do that happens now. I'm just kidding.

0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 1>It's really not they probably I love Dane, they hate me,

0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. But no, everybody loves Dane. Most

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.159
<v Speaker 1>people like you. The least amount of people like me

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>about that. But no, we do appreciate everybody out there

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>that that follows along this way and the people that

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>go back and watch. Hey, if you're working out, you know,

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll provide you an hour worth of content when you're

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>on the treadmill out running around whatever you want to do, walking, lifting, whatever.

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 1>But we do appreciate that. All right, David, I will

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 1>give you the platform for a little twitter on the Twitter.

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Go for it, sir. Really relevant question from Kai in

0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:58.800
<v Speaker 1>light of what we were talking about right before the

0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>last break. He says numbers are important, but which player

0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 1>will have the most important interviews at the Combine this year?

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>And that maybe I'm just not that god our fans

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>with thinking I'm not thinking deep enough, because there's not

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>there's not a guy that jumps out to me other

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 1>than Baker Mayfield. There's not a guy that jumps out

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.120
<v Speaker 1>to me. Is like kind of like, well, Rosen, I said, yeah,

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Rosen has got to prove to people that he is

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<v Speaker 1>not the guy that everybody thinks he is. Yeah, which

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 1>is like the smarmie. Yeah, I've said. He when he's

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 1>in a conversation, he thinks he's the smartest one in

0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 1>the conversation. Girls if who was talking to That's just

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 1>how he is. And he can't get away with that

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 1>at Combine interviews, right, there's no chance. And so he

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 1>better check himself at the door, learn some humility and

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>even if it's an act, even if he knows like

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that's he's just gonna revert back to whoever he is, uh,

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, down the line, and once he gets drafted,

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>at least put that on the shelf for now, and

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, show a little bit of humbleness. And I'm

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 1>not sure he's able to do that. It's just not

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.120
<v Speaker 1>in his DNA, not in his makeup. But it's really

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>important for a lot of these teams that they see

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that from him when they interview him. Yeah, I totally agree. See,

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the quarterbacks are always the fascinating group because you want

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 1>him a little you want him a little cocky. I

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>want them with a little Edgar Rodgers isn't a very

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 1>humbled person. Yeah, but you, but you, But you better

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.760
<v Speaker 1>figure things out real fast to them because there's a

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, there's a lot of general managers that

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe guys that haven't gone on the road, you know,

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:29.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe they've had to stay with their teams and worry

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:31.199
<v Speaker 1>about their teams, and they haven't had a chance to

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>go to the schools and talk to these guys about

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>these players. This will be the first opportunity that they

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:40.400
<v Speaker 1>have to to see him, maybe maybe a head coach.

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:43.040
<v Speaker 1>He'll be his first opportunity as well to kind of

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>talk to him. What about I mean, is there and

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 1>well is there? Like we got any gun runners in

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 1>this draft? I mean Joe Mixon famously wasn't invited to

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the Combine. I'm struggling to think. I wrote a story.

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>That's that story I wrote about I felt bad for

0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 1>all my buddies. That's the one time in my life

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I felt out about being the Combine and being a

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:05.120
<v Speaker 1>media guy because I felt like me being there did

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>not allow them to talk to Joe Mixon. Oh yeah,

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I remember you writing that that was that. Yeah,

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the media's fault. Yeah, the media's fault because I talked

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to several guys that said, hey, listen, if you guys

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>weren't here, Joe Mixon would be here. And I felt

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>bad for that. I felt like I felt like that

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 1>those guys. And I'll tell you I talked to John Dorsey,

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>John Snyder, those guys, you know, they were like they

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to talk to the Kid's a dumb rule.

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a terrible it's a terrible rule. We said it

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>last year when they announced it, and it's still this

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:34.879
<v Speaker 1>terrible rule. And yeah, I don't Yeah, this year, I

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think we have any of those guys, at least,

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mixon level guys. But arden Key, you know

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>arden Key. Yeah, he's got a lot of a lot

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.400
<v Speaker 1>of things to answer for, just with the durability with

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, how much does he love football, how important

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>is it for him to reach his ceiling as an

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>NFL player. There's a lot going on with him. I

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>think Mike Hughes, another possible Top twenty player, could be

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>in the mixing teen who knows. He started his career

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>at North Carolina and he was kicked out because he

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.880
<v Speaker 1>got into a fight at three am at a fraternity party.

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Had been there, knocked a guy out. Clean you you

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>were the guy knocked out, of course, Yeah, no, I

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let him knock you out. Oh thanks, Brian. So yeah,

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of these guys that have something to answer for,

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>and even if it's just you know, kind of their

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>journey where they came from. A guy like Ian Thomas,

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>who great, We talked about him. Yeah, that's one of

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>our guys for that. We did died in from Indiana.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. Yes, yeah yeah on future, yeah,

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>on the clock stuff. One of my favorite players in

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>this draft, a Cowboys third round Yeah, sign me up.

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But he's kind of a late bloomer coming up through Baltimore.

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Not in the greatest situation. Both his parents died early

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>at a young age, and so he him and his

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>siblings he had like nine siblings, he has he had

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the maneuver through that. So just hearing it from the

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>kid and you know, talking about his life experience, their

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>perspective on things, and then of course just the football intelligence,

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's these combine interviews are quick and so

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>it's there's only so much to gather, but still you

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>can talk about concepts, talk about different schemes, what they're

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It's the first impression, right, It's the first impression. It's

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the first time you get and then if you really

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>like the kid, you'll bring him back for one of

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 1>your thirties. Right, And the first question you'll ask is

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 1>what was the first thing? I remember that thing I

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>asked you back at the combine. Yeah, what was the

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>answer to that? Yeah, exactly, better have the answer. You're

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 1>a GM. Seriously, why are you sitting here with me?

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 1>We talked about combine snubs. And then there's the category

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>of the forgotten guy who does get a combine invite,

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>which Connor wants to know about Wisconsin linebacker Jack Dane.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Help me with the name Cishi City City? Who was

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>he did get a combine invite? Yeah, he's injured in

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>August or September, I believe, Yeah City, right, And there

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of names we're having to do with. Yeah,

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Jack City, Like, she's kind of the he's a kind

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of the forgotten guy in this drift because he Yeah,

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.959
<v Speaker 1>towards a cl in August. He had a peck injury

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>last year that kind of bothered him. But when he's

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>healthy and on the field, he's outstanding. Uh, like a

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>fluid athlete, moves really well. Uh. Yeah, we both really

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>like to bite Byu or linebacker Fred Warner. She's like

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 1>a bigger, better version of that. But the durability is

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>what you worry about. Yeah, is a guy that has

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>not been able to stay healthy, hasn't been able to

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>stay on the field, and typical Wisconsin former walk on. Yeah.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know how they find these walk ons. Uh,

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>but you know he's a Wisconsin kid who just went

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>overlooked late bloomer the way he developed. But he I

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>think he's a big time player. The biggest thing is

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>just injuries kid from BYU. Yeah, awesome, Well, and let

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>me know what you think. That's what I need to do.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>You're right, give me the opportunity at the segue because

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Payson wants to know who's a better fit for the Cowboys,

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Fred Warner or Darius Leonard South Carolina State, and Warner's

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>coming to us from jog my memory. I like Leonard. Yeah,

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I like yeah, I do. And uh, you

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>know it's interesting that. Yeah, I'm not a question God darn,

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that's a good question. I'm not talking about just purely

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>as a prospect you're talking about for the Cowboys. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm gonna go back again. I think Fred

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Warner's a linebacker that all thirty two teams are gonna like. Yeah.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>He's not scheme specific, right, He's a guy that has

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the type of skills that no matter what formation you're running,

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>what sub package, he's a guy that fits in some

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>form or fashion with his ability to hold up uh

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and run support, his ability and coverage, the overall range

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>he has on the field. Yeah. I'm a big Fred

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Warner fan too, So I give me Warner. I think

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>he's a better player. You know what though, I mean,

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I I don't just agree with anything you're saying about Warner,

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>but I'm looking at my Leonard notes and I and

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I this is a guy that can flow to the ball,

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and you see that with Warner two. I mean you

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about quick read, flow, sideline the sideline or hurry

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, just how to go for turnovers, gets off blocks,

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 1>plays with his hands, runs through tackles. You know, I

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>think that the only thing I saw. But he has

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>to be a little careful about breaking down in space.

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing I saw. But other than that, man,

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the guy's got ball skills, reads, reacts, outstanding plain speed.

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>But I think Warner is a little bit bigger guy

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>on tape where Leonard is a thinner guy. Yes, you

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>know one, yeah, six two, two twenty nine. Warner looked

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>like that. I think he was two thirty five at

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.959
<v Speaker 1>the at the senior ball, where Leonard was two twenty nine.

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>But these cats get to the ball. It's South Carolina State.

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>They've been pumping out some defensive guys. Yeah, Javon Hargrave,

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>they sure have. He won the MEAC Defensive Player Year

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>his junior and senior seasons. He went to the NFL.

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Darius Leonard steps in. He won the defensive Player of

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the Year in the MEAD South Junior South Carolina State.

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>They've been pumping out some dudes and Leonard, where do

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you think he ends? If you think he's a third rounder,

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>fourth rounder? I got him in the only just I

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 1>don't have to guess. I mean, if I could pull

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>my notes up here again, I to me. Warner is

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>a Warner. I thought I had him in the I

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>had him in the third. Yeah, I agree, And I

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>think I had Leonard in the fourth. Is how I

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>did it? Yeah, that's that's right around the range. If

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you guys keep visiting, I will tell you exactly. I

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>can't believe I didn't pull up my poor damn notes. No,

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>my board, your board, my board. I need my board

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to come up here is what I need. I have

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a two three on Warner, he's my number five linebacker.

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, I don't disagree with you there, Leonard.

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I have it in the fourth right behind your boy

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Shakim m Jaquim Griffin. You guys are gonna be right

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>about Shaquim. No, you're gonna be right. I want to know.

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I want him to I want him to be great.

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know, and you know Cabanat, we had this

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>discussion in the Kavanaugh Jeff Kavanaugh from Winder five three,

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Turner, you know those guys. They you know, I'm

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>always from the school of if you know three guys

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>out of four telling me this is what it is,

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll fight you all day. But when I

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.719
<v Speaker 1>got three guys that I trust telling me broadus think

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>about it this way. You're saying that you would take

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>them in a second and work. Oh yeah, I'm cheerleading.

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I got the palm palms. I'm waving them. You know,

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm jumping up and down. And you guys are saying,

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>whoa broadest tappitt y'all are trying to take me into

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a ditch right here, and I'm not gonna lay no.

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I got Actually, I got Warner. I got Warner in

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the second round, and I got Leonard in the third.

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>That's how I got it. I'm going to attribute this

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>question to Jay, but really, we've got a small army

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>of people asking us about these two guys, like I mean,

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>dozens of people want to know why aren't we talking

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>more about Tavin Bryan and Tim Settle. I watched Tim

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Settle yesterday. These are defensive tackles, both of them. Big boy.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Bryan's from Brian's from Florida, Settles from Virginia. There's people

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that think I've I've got Brian. People tell me Bryant

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>should be a consideration at nineteen. I don't. There's no

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>way I would take him at nineteen. But I will

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>tell you this though, there's people I like out there

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that that look at this stuff, you know, and they

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>bring up the sack numbers. You know, for Brian the

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>four sacks. Well, that's the reasons. That's not bad for

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 1>a tackle. That's what I'm saying for a defensive tackle

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>where his strength is to get into the backfield because

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>he's no I understand he is struggles big time versus

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the run. Watch you watch the SEC offenses. They'll run

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>right at him because they know exactly what he's gonna

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>do and he has no gap discipline and teams are

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>able to run at him. His strength is as a

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>past rusher, his ability to his quickness off the ball

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>at tack gaps, us his upper body power, he can

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>snatch blockers move them. There's a lot to like from

0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>a trades perspective. He's now standing athlete, but you know,

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>again trades over production. But six tackles for lost last year.

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I need a guy that knows what he's doing. Oh yeah,

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>that's yeah, you're right. I mean I do think he

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>can get better. I do think that there's upside there.

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not drafting a guy that I hope reaches

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>his upside at least that big of a gap at

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>number nineteen, I would take him in a second round.

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>What about Settle? What do you think is he's I

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.399
<v Speaker 1>was just a big guy who know That's what I'm saying,

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'll I'll do settle for you. I mean I

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>pushed some mill the pocket plays with some power of

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>some quick inside moves, disruptive when he comes off the ball, balance,

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go to the ground when they try and cut him.

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Tries to bend, but not always successful. Needs to finish

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the rush. That's where I saw a lot of like

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>he was always close, yeah, and never really finished the rush.

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought there were times where he was lazy rushing

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>too absolutely where like his conditioning at three hundred and

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>thirty five pounds was problematic for him. And it seems

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>like most of it's up here. Yeah, he's got a lord,

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>he's gotta like a funny built body. He's like a

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>potato with straw stuck in him. He's got this big man.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, think about always have the best and now

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>we'll think about the visual of that. Yeah, take a potato.

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Potato kind of looks it sticks straws in it, and

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that's how he looks. He's like vitaa if Vita Vero

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>couldn't bend or you know, play lego and drop his hips,

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's just he's a big guy, but

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>he's just he's kind of a one gapper, you know,

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 1>like he can't two gap. He doesn't anchor. And if

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you're that size, kind of know your role, you know.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of good one techniques in this drafts.

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like a one technique who wants to be a

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 1>three techno. Yeah, the way he plays via Payne Phillips,

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean that's kind of I mean, there's

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>guys ahead of him. If you're gonna draft a one technique,

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking those guys over. I am taking him with grade.

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 1>You slap on him. I put him in the fourth. Yeah,

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that's I have a fourth on him too. Yeah, all right.

0:35:55.760 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 1>But just I was people were kept telling me, look

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>at the sky Bross. I did, and I and and

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I saw him kind of lazily make plays, you know,

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of lazily rush. And I'm thinking he needs to

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 1>get in better condition. If he gets it better, because

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>he does have some traits. But if he comes to

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the combine at three twenty, do anything for you, I'd

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>be happy for him more of a more of a

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>red flag for me, because just getting into the shape

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>for this, yeah, why yeah, why do you play You're

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 1>playing strength? Was this and you know you're just gonna

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>revert back to it and so yeah, it's I know

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>this is a this is a trap that we advise

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>fans not to fall into. But it's getting to the

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>point where I'm terrified of these Florida defensive linemen. Just

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about Bryan just a second. No, I'm and that's

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 1>why I said it. I'm just I need one of

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>these guys to actually do something in the league. And

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Brian's interesting because he's he's a Wyoming kid, first Wyoming

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>kid ever to go to Florida. You know, there's a

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of traits there, a lot to work with. Just

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>there's some things to worry about, for sure. Fimy wants

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>to know. And I feel like there's a veiled Byron

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Jones shout out in this question because he says, who's

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.879
<v Speaker 1>a guy we are not talking about right now who

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>could vault into the first round conversation here in the

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>kind I mean, you know, I would that's post Combine

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>more than likely, which the first, I mean Byron Jones

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>is a great example about your guy. Alexander full name Brian.

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Come on, Jerry, Alexander school Brian. I mean, he's top

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty on my board, so I'm gonna let him talk

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>about him, you know. I to me, he's already a

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>first round so that okay. He's top twenty on my

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>draft board, so it's not a It wouldn't be a

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>surprise to me. I think he's absolutely deserving a first

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>round consideration. It's just he's a little undersized. He missed

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>most this year with injury that could keep him out.

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I got a name for you. Yeah, Louisville's to school,

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I just wanted to day interrupt him. Yeah,

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>it's Believille. Uh what if I told you I'm from

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the future, I'm from May First, I come back and

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I tell you guess what you know? Won't believe he

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 1>went in the first round. DJ Chark, Oh okay, Jeff Kavanaugh, No,

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Kavanaugh will fuller at this time two three years ago?

0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, okay, I'm miss say, guys that can take

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the top off in the defense. Literally, did you do

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>trust to tape podcast yesterday? Yeah? Okay, did you have

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that discussion. I didn't listen to that yesterday's discussion. Three

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>nights ago, we watched Chark with with v hows you

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>guys were hammering, no, no, no, no. Kavanaugh just quietly goes,

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm not saying he is. But I don't

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>think it's impossible that DJ Chark's the best receiver in

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>this class when it's all same. I think that's nuts.

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, thank you, but at least for acknowledging that

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a third round player. But I'm saying,

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>we're just looking at all right back to the question

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and what the NFL values speed at the receiver position,

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the ability about some consistency. How about the fact that

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a lot of teams that are gonna say,

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>look at that offense he was in, get that call

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 1>that quarterback, the same thing. They're going to make excuses

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>up and down for him downfield, opportunity to watch, you know,

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>watch every play he's will Fuller had more drops than

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>any of the first three rounds that year. But but

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>are we okay with will Fuller Texas? No, that doesn't matter.

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>He still went, I know what you're saying. I know what.

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 1>He was the second receiver drafted that year, just ahead

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>of Dockson Or and Treadwell Michael Thomas. If if dj

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Chart goes to the combine and oh he will he will, Well,

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it depends what if he runs a four three eight,

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of what you expect. If he

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>runs in the low four threes, that's that's kind of

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>number that can move the needles a little. I mean

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>he's six three and can move so, like I hear

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>what Dayton's saying, I just think it would be a mistake.

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, it would be a mistake. He

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 1>is not a first round player, but if we were

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>looking for a name that could surprise Hey and one

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of his teammates as well, Dante Jackson Jackson the corner,

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of mistakes, I oh, mistakes first round in the

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 1>first round, the first round? Yes, yes again, Why what

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>is he going to run the camp? He might run

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>get the four twos at the combine. Guys that can

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>run that fast, had that type of speed. He's tye

0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of the most undisciplined players. Where where was where was

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Trey White? Drafted twenty seven something like that? Yeah, his

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>tape is like light years better than Oh yeah, absolutely

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 1>that if you're drafting him, it's because, like I hope,

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>it's because you want to kick returner, punt returner and not.

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.399
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying he's a bad player. Dante Jackson. Yeah,

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:37.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not a first round player. He's not a first

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>round player. Um, where do why I have him slotted?

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I have a who Jackson? Dante Jackson Jackson,

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I have a two three on him, So I agree

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>because he's not he doesn't have first round tape. But again,

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>he's might vote for the fastest four we at the combine.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just straight line speed with like DJ

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Sharks more straight line speed. Jackson I think is gonna

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>kill it in the three cone and all the agility drills.

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>And he's not a big guy. He's probably two I

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>think more like five ten and a half probably closer

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that he's If he breaks one eighty, that's good for him.

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 1>He might not freakish athlete who like more often than

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>not as a good player, who once or twice every

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 1>game or two is going to do something so undisciplined, ridiculous.

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>He's yeah, he's the he's the tackle, his safety guy.

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:25.919
<v Speaker 1>He's like that. Oh god, that ten yard game turned

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.760
<v Speaker 1>into sixty yards because Dante tackled the safety. The defensive

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>holding on the other side of the field. That will

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>wiped out a sack by arden Key. You know how

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>many coaches are in the NFL. Let's say, oh no,

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll coach it out of him. Will instill some discipline

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>in this. Those coaches are looking for jobs. How about that?

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>Two happens every year. I'm to LSU grads sitting here

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 1>just arguing why their players are not. We're hard on

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>those kids. We're hard on I'm I'm hard. I'll say

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>this though, Okay him. Did you like Hill from Texas? Yeah?

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Like him a lot, just he's he can't hip him

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>off the field and Holton Hill Hill, I like his

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>tape a lot. Actually, okay, I don't know what the

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>off field? Yeah, okay, just tell me who the better

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 1>player is on tape? Like the tape? Yeah, Holton Hill

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>or or Jackson? If Holton Hill, yeah, if I have have

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to win a game right now, it's Holton Hill. He's

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.959
<v Speaker 1>a better player, yeah for sure. But Jackson is better

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>physical and athletic trade so could hold Holton Hill is

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>not going to go in the first round because of

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>his off the field stuff. You might go in a

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>second or third round because of that. What a good player.

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's he just needs to stay cleaning Texas.

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 1>By the way, folks, Dante Jackson is drafted before Tradavious

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>White was. Hey, I could have just recycled the same names.

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I just brought two new names. Oh no, no, no no.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>That's why we got you, right, because we're gonna lose

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>you to an NFL team next year at this time.

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.359
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<v Speaker 1>be producing as always, Dab. We've got about fifteen minutes left, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's play a little why or why not. Yeah.

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to see where we go with this because

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>at least a few of these guys are are hot

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 1>topic players, right, It's particularly among the Cowboys. So basically,

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 1>you know one he all is going to present the

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.399
<v Speaker 1>argument for why and the other why not right kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Yeah, we'll pack and judge Judy on here. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start off with h Like I said, a hot topic,

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:32.040
<v Speaker 1>guy Tremaine Edmonds, the Virginia Tech linebacker. A lot of

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about him as a pick at nineteen. Why or

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>why not? You wont the flip? Go ahead? You tell

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>me why we need it, why we should draft him,

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you what. You'll tell you what. This

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>guy could play all three positions for you. I love

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 1>the fact he's six to four, he's two hundred and

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:50.439
<v Speaker 1>forty five pounds. Love the physical nature of him. I think,

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of things that you can

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>do with this guy. I think you could play him

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.279
<v Speaker 1>in coverage. I think he can carry receivers for you.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he can finish in space. For a tall guy,

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 1>he gets in the cracks. I mean, if you blitz

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>him and stuff like that, He's got a feel for

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 1>how to get to the football. You can use him

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>as a blitzer. I you know, I think he's a

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.799
<v Speaker 1>nice joban blitz hims creating pressure with him. I think

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things that you can do with

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 1>this guy scheme wise, Like how he fights through the trash,

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 1>gets through the ball, like how he finishes, physical guy, toughness,

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 1>all those things. I would welcome that guy in a heartbeat.

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 1>For a team that needs linebackers, I would welcome him too,

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 1>for the right value. I think we've kind of been

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 1>conditioned to think that he's just this top ten player,

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the top ten players in this draft. He

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think that's just been kind of accepted

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 1>now at this point, and I think that's crazy. He's

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a good player, Don't get me wrong. I think everything

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you said is right. But why I think there's we

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>could pull holes in him. Yeah, he has the size

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and the ability, but he has the length. He has

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.879
<v Speaker 1>no idea how to use that length. Is a take

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:57.400
<v Speaker 1>on skills. A lot of issues there from a mental standpoint.

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.280
<v Speaker 1>His eye discipline, the way he breaks down what he sees.

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>It's up and down, it runs hot and cold. He

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>falls asleep at times in coverage you like. And he's

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>a young guy. I mean, I think that is a

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 1>part of it too. People see a young guy, they think, oh,

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna, you know, stole us plenty of room before

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>he hits his football ceiling. That's a big that's a projection,

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're talking about top ten pick. So I think

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>he's a good player. I went with you there, but

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he is this no doubt about it,

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 1>top ten, top twelve player in this draft. Like a

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of people seem to think if he's a no

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>doubt about a top ten, top twelve player or if

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>he's not, I mean, maybe that means he's a top

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen player. Though I would say he's a top nineteen player. Yeah,

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>but traits are great. Yeah, there's a lot of I

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>think there's a lot of other questions though. Another darling

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 1>of the Cowboys draft Twitter Blogga Sphere not so much

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>in the first round, but just in general, Notre Dame

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver Equanimious Saint Brown, Why are we not very

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>good athlete? This is a guy who kind of grew

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>up being molded for this. His dad was a two

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 1>time All Universe Olympia or bodybuilder whatever. Very good athlete,

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>very well conditioned. I think as a sophomore with a

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.959
<v Speaker 1>capable passing game with Deshauan Kaiser, you saw what Saint

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>Brown could be. Had almost a thousand yards ten touchdowns

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>this past year with Brandon Wimbush just his production fell

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>off a cliff because they had no passing game. But

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 1>this is a guy who can threaten every level of

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the defense. He can help you out short, intermediate, long.

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Once he hones his routes, which I think he'll do,

0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 1>it'll come in time. If we're gonna find if we're

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna pick a Juju Smith Schuster in this draft. You know,

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy that kind of gets overlooked goes second third round.

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a quominious Saint Brown. It's not like

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you liked him there, an't you. Yeah, good for you.

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll agree with him about the quarterback stuff.

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'll agree with him about the quarterback the

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:04.319
<v Speaker 1>play there. I just didn't really see a guy that

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that made enough big plays, you know. I mean, even

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 1>if your quarterback's bad, make some plays for him. Yeah,

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.359
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't. I didn't see that. And that that's

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the problem I have it again, if you know, if

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you know when you're talking about Juju Smith and those guys, Yeah,

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>he had a good quarterback throwing him the football. But

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the guys that the guys that stand out for me,

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And you're right about the trades and the talent, But

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see a guy that always helped his quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>out either, you know. But I that's the problem I

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>had with him. I think a lot of people blame

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback play or the lack of it, that oh,

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that's why he didn't. But there's some times when you

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 1>watch him play where he is not the most consistent

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 1>catching the football, And so I would think, where did

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you have him on your on your board? Second third?

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>He was like a fourth round guy to me. He

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't make my top fifty. Yeah, but close. I don't know.

0:49:57.360 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he was close, but he would

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>have had a shot him if I did my top

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 1>seventy five. Yeah, I definitely would have been my top

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.720
<v Speaker 1>one hundred. I kind of feel like though that Again,

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that the people give him the crutch of

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:10.879
<v Speaker 1>the bad quarterback play, and I'd like to see him,

0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he might turn out to be a

0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 1>fine receiver when it's all said and done. But I

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 1>just didn't see him always helping this guy out either,

0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>as Matt end as somebody who covers the Cowboys and

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:24.760
<v Speaker 1>spends a lot of time around the Cowboys. The phrase

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Dane lost the argument as soon as he said, once

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 1>he hones his routes, I don't need that in my life. Yeah, yeah,

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.879
<v Speaker 1>I need the guy that's already got the perfect route tree,

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:36.839
<v Speaker 1>or at least to the very good one. And that's

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 1>fair for most teams. And I think it just yeah,

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>you have to look at the player and kind of

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>figure out can he do it? Will he get better

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 1>as a route runner, because not every you know, Terrence

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Williams and every guy is going to get better as

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>a route runner, and you have to try to identify

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that before you draft him. But I think with this guy,

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I think with sint Brown, I think he will. I

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:58.279
<v Speaker 1>do think that all the talent and the technical understanding

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 1>is there, just needs to apply it. Tight end or

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 1>excuse me, Wisconsin tight end, Brian, you always write the

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 1>position before the school address drives me crazy. Wisconsin tight

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>end Troy Fumagali Senior Bowl guy. Yeah him, Yeah, I'll

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>take him layers okay. With Troy Fumagalley, you know, and

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, we're gonna get into a

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>group of tight ends here that are a lot better

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 1>route runners, catchers, downfield players than we are going to

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>get blockers. You know, with the exception, maybe Ian Thomas

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 1>from Indiana. As an inline guy. I think that this

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.200
<v Speaker 1>group and Fumgalley, in my opinion, is kind of one

0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of those guys that you get this guy a running start,

0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, as an age or move guy. Don't match

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 1>him to play in line, but move him around a

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit. This guy will secure his block, he'll get

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 1>into his guy, he'll get some space, He'll he'll find

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a way to turn on a guy. I kind of

0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:57.879
<v Speaker 1>I kind of understand who he is. He's a push

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.839
<v Speaker 1>shove guy, but he'll wall off seal. I don't see

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>his guy getting to the play a lot. I really

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 1>really don't, you know. I watch him play and so

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with that. I think he has to be

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 1>on the move more than he has to be in line.

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a red zone weapon. I really really do.

0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a guy too. With the way the

0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys play with all the underneath routes and stuff like that,

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.879
<v Speaker 1>with their tight end, this guy knows how to go

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 1>from one spot to the other, get across the field,

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>get open. You can watch Wisconsin's offense. They do that

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:29.319
<v Speaker 1>a bunch. The boots, the waggles, the things like that

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:32.120
<v Speaker 1>this guy, they throw it to him, he's in position

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>to catch it. He can adjust low, he can adjust high.

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem at all with Troy Fumagali.

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.240
<v Speaker 1>I really really don't, because I think in a group,

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:42.839
<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for that middle, if you don't want

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to take one of those tight ends high, I think

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe third fourth round type of a guy. Though they

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 1>can give you something as a move blocker, but also

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the hands, the security catching the football. A lot of

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 1>positive things about that. Sounds like you're describing a guy

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you think could be a starter. I don't have a

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 1>problem with him. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I see

0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:07.359
<v Speaker 1>too many physical limitations personally. I he's he realizes more

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>on his routes to get open than any type of

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:15.880
<v Speaker 1>burst or quickness. Speed is average at best lineing. NFL

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 1>linebackers are going to stick to him up and down

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the field as a blocker. I think he's just gonna

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 1>get overwhelmed. He saw it sometimes in Big ten play,

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and I think NFL linebackers, defensive lineman it's they're not

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 1>going to have much trouble overwhelming him. So I like

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Fumigali as a guy in somewhere on day three. But

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 1>again I just because he deserves credit. He the way

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>he developed and kind of came up through that system

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:42.799
<v Speaker 1>at Wisconsin. They kind of groomed him to be that

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:46.359
<v Speaker 1>complete tight end, very reliable hands, even though he only

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>has what nine fingers. But Fumigali is a guy that

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I just I see too many physical limitations. I agree

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 1>with you to a point. Maybe in the red zone

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>as a you know, a second tight end, maybe come

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 1>in and help you there. But there are eight nine

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>better tight ends in this drafts. He's open a lot

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:07.359
<v Speaker 1>more than he's covered. If you watch the tape, yeah

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>he watched You watched the all the balls that are

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.359
<v Speaker 1>thrown to him. Yeah, But that's what I'm saying, get

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you know Ken when he gets he's one of those

0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 1>guys that knows how to get open. You know. I

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>think there, I think there's you have to say something

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 1>to that. You have to give him credit for that.

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.400
<v Speaker 1>This goes against the very fiber of the draft because

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the point is that you're always supposed to be preparing

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.359
<v Speaker 1>for two or three years down the line. I just

0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>as again as somebody who spends all my time around

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys. I don't even really want to touch tight

0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 1>end until Jason Witten's career is over, because I just

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:39.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's a great way to watch a resource.

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.759
<v Speaker 1>If you, if you my opinion, if you gave me

0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:45.479
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity, if you gave me the opportunity to take

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Hurst from South Carolina, you know, hayden Hurst. Yeah, hayden Hurst,

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 1>South Carolina. Godert, you know, I'm okay with that. I

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>like Fumagali better than JISICKI m give me get Sicky

0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.320
<v Speaker 1>all day, a lot better in my opinion. Yeah, I

0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 1>just don't want to spend big time resources on a

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>tight end right now. Mcgull has my number ten tight end.

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Who who give me the other four? Give me? Give

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<v Speaker 1>me the top four? You got Goddard, Mark Andrews. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't seen Andrews yet. I'm sorry, Goddard, Hayden Hurst,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Andrews, Ian Thomas are my top four five of

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<v Speaker 1>Bekasicky Durham smythe from Notre Dame, Chris Herndon Miami, Tyler Conklin,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dalton Schultz. Top nine. Pretty pretty solid little group, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not bad see that. But there are there's some, there's some,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some depth of this class. It's it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>good class. Yeah, it really is. How about Alabama's safety

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<v Speaker 1>Ronnie Harrison? Why or why not? I want to go

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<v Speaker 1>for the why not or why I'll tell you why

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<v Speaker 1>not because we know what he is. He's a downhill thumper,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that loves violence, and heck, I'll love that

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<v Speaker 1>on my team. But I need a safety that I

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<v Speaker 1>can control, I can trust, can control himself to go

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<v Speaker 1>in reverse, it can handle cover responsibilities, and on tape

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't see any consistency in that area from him. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what I'm getting as a downhill run defender.

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<v Speaker 1>He's outstanding in that area. But this isn't nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two and today's NFL. My strong safety needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to drop a little bit and play in space,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where there's some inconsistent results. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>Ronnie Harrison's not a guy that I would personally take

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<v Speaker 1>in the first round, but you know, at some point

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<v Speaker 1>the second sure, maybe, but not in the first because

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<v Speaker 1>of those coverage limitations. Yeah, but I you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>guys six almost six two two hundred and fifteen pounds

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<v Speaker 1>or so, and I think you're right about him. I

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<v Speaker 1>do see a guy with some quick feet. You're right

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I thought it'll overrun some plays. But I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about I saw a guy who was a really

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<v Speaker 1>good blitzer. I saw a guy that was when a

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<v Speaker 1>very good tackler in space. You know, I think, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a say, how many of these safeties

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<v Speaker 1>we oh, he looks good doing this, looks good doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, all these things we talk about, Oh he

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<v Speaker 1>can you know, can he tackle? Yes or no? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, when he gets in position to tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>he can get his guy to the ground and give

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.120
<v Speaker 1>me that guy, give me the guy that that is,

0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>you know when when you know, and I've seen him

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<v Speaker 1>playing the slot, you know, I've seen him some things

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<v Speaker 1>in coverage. I think there's some things that you can

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<v Speaker 1>do with this guy. You know, is he Landing Collins? No?

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>You know what Landing Collins was a second round player.

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 1>But what landed Collins do better than anybody else? He tackled? Yeah? Well,

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and Collins came a long way sure in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage, sure, and the coverage well. The theory I'm

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>developing the more I cover the draft is the college

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>safety who's really great in coverage. I mean those are

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<v Speaker 1>like the elite guys. You know, you don't see him

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>very often. Yeah, but exactly, So if you can get

0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 1>me a guy I could cover and tackle if he

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<v Speaker 1>can tackle and at least looks like he's not wearing rollerblades, Yeah,

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 1>he's in coverage. Adams kind of like that, Yeah he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I never thought of him as a great coverage Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and if Landon Collins, if any team thought he

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<v Speaker 1>could do it in coverage, he would have went in

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<v Speaker 1>the first round. Yeah, but he didn't. He fell out

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<v Speaker 1>of the first round because teams were worried he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to hold up in coverage. And kudos to

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:20.960
<v Speaker 1>him because he got taken in the second round and

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<v Speaker 1>he improved in those areas and now it looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he should have been a top ten pick

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 1>in that drop. Absolutely. One last one, real quick Auburn

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>guard Braden Smith. Why why not? How about the how

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:36.120
<v Speaker 1>about the why not? How about the why or which

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 1>would you rather have? Go for it? You like this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>I do like and I'm surprised that more people don't

0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:44.959
<v Speaker 1>like him more because I see a guy that has

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<v Speaker 1>position flex guard or tackle as a guard. When he

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<v Speaker 1>watched Auburn a lot of times the running play is

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<v Speaker 1>going behind that right guard where Bradon Smith lined up

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<v Speaker 1>because of his ability to control blocks at the point

0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of attack, of her body's strength, and he's not a

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<v Speaker 1>bad athlete, so I think there's enough traits there that

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<v Speaker 1>I can work with um. Now, I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 1>better than Hernandez or Win or anything like that. But

0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>on day two, if I get if I don't, if

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I miss out on my guard, my Win or Hernandez,

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a huge drop off to Smith

0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.680
<v Speaker 1>at some point on day two. I think he tends

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<v Speaker 1>to catch as a blocker. I watched him play Georgia

0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>A and m Clemson an LSU. I think he catches

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<v Speaker 1>as a blocker. I think he is to his feet,

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.800
<v Speaker 1>tend to get all over the place when you watch

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 1>him play. I think he really struggles to sustain. I

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.680
<v Speaker 1>think that when you he doesn't have much upper body power.

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:42.200
<v Speaker 1>When they go unbalanced, they move him to the tackle spots.

0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:44.920
<v Speaker 1>So when he has to play getst opponents it's strong.

0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that gives him problems, you know, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I say. That's why I mentioned the opponents that

0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I watched. Generally, he'll take his man where he wants

0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to go. You know this guy, you know, he's he

0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 1>can like get the guy wants to go that he'll

0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>just kind of wall him off and go that way.

0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:01.080
<v Speaker 1>But I think he struggles in space blocking on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>They use him as a puller. I thought he got

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<v Speaker 1>over extended and I didn't think he had very good

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<v Speaker 1>balance as a pass blocker. So just that's definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>player we don't see eye to eye. We don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like people think y'all agree on everything. The truth

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<v Speaker 1>of the matter is not quite so much. No, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's in a draft room every day. If we all

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<v Speaker 1>agree on these guys, we'd have a terrible draft. It

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be this. Yeah, the show wouldn't be fun. No,

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<v Speaker 1>one wouldn't care about the draft because we'd all agree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well said, that's all the time we got. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>the music means. I like that. Why or why not?

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<v Speaker 1>I am out on Monday, So yeah, you'll find some

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<v Speaker 1>such dud for you to find somebody to come in it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get Kevin Turner to come back in and visit

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<v Speaker 1>me more. Draft Jeopardy More Draft, Jeffardy, all right for

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<v Speaker 1>my scouts, Dave Burglar, David Hellman, Executive producer Kent Garrison.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brian Bross. We'll see you Monday, ten am for

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<v Speaker 1>another episode of The Draft Show. This has been a

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