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Speaker 1: now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: it's another day here at the Draft Show. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. We
Speaker 1: welcome everybody here as we work our way to the
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen NFL Draft. A big announcement from the Cowboys today.
Speaker 1: Charlotte Jones Anderson at the facility, actually at the at
Speaker 1: eight T and T Stadium talking about things the ambassadors
Speaker 1: for the draft with DeMarcus Ware Andrew Pearson. So nice
Speaker 1: to hear some news with the draft being in our
Speaker 1: own backyard, first time it's ever going to be in
Speaker 1: a stadium. I'm really I'm excited. I'm yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see, you know, and the way that can the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do things, you know, with game productions and things
Speaker 1: like that. I'm very interested to see what kind of
Speaker 1: you know, it's a league it's a league deal. It's
Speaker 1: a league event. But you know, the Cowboys will have
Speaker 1: a little have a little saying like, hey, once you
Speaker 1: try this, once you try that, and hopefully everybody but
Speaker 1: should be a good three days in the area. A spectacle.
Speaker 1: It will be a spectacle. We'll be here, We'll be
Speaker 1: in this little room for three days. Say it's not
Speaker 1: gonna look a whole lot different. Yah, we'll hunker down. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll go through all the picks with you, as we'll
Speaker 1: always do picks one through a two fifty two or
Speaker 1: two fifty six, whatever number we have the next event
Speaker 1: on the schedule. And I do want to get into
Speaker 1: this because I think it's important. The Combine list came
Speaker 1: out yesterday, Dane Burglar, and I'm always interested about the
Speaker 1: guys that, uh, you know, of course, you know you're
Speaker 1: you're gonna get What was the total number of guys
Speaker 1: that we got for the combine this year to twenty
Speaker 1: or three twenty six, three twenty six, And give me
Speaker 1: the number of the guys that that that don't go
Speaker 1: and get drafted. What was that number? Over the last
Speaker 1: five years, the averages thirty five players about thirty five
Speaker 1: players get drafted every year that aren't good and then
Speaker 1: they're one hundred and ten players that go get drafted.
Speaker 1: Let me focus on the guys that are gonna go. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll focus on those guys. Wow, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: a third of the guys that are going to be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they this nfs Uh, they'd say their goal is
Speaker 1: to invite everybody who's going to be drafted that's there. Yeah. Uh?
Speaker 1: Are they are they living up to that goal? The
Speaker 1: number TEA with the numbers, do the numbers appear that
Speaker 1: the guy that they're that they're going the right way
Speaker 1: about that with you know, it's gonna happen where a
Speaker 1: few players are gonna slip through the crack. Sure, thirty
Speaker 1: five every year. That's a little too many. And I
Speaker 1: get it. Look, they're thirty two teams drafted here thirty
Speaker 1: two you know, different schemes, different philosophies, different understandings of
Speaker 1: the players they're looking for. So you know, we're they're
Speaker 1: gonna be different opinions. But to miss a thirty five guy,
Speaker 1: that's a lot and a lot of some of these
Speaker 1: guys are late bloomer, you know, in the process that
Speaker 1: workout Warriors. So they're gonna, you know, do really well
Speaker 1: at the Pro Day and all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: turn into a six or seventh round pick. That'll happen. Understandable.
Speaker 1: But for some of these snubs, they're just not three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six better players. But it didn't drafting them,
Speaker 1: you know, wild I was. I was makes the undrafted
Speaker 1: free agency free for all on Sunday afternoon a little
Speaker 1: more exciting though, right you know. I was going through
Speaker 1: and and some guys that that I was looking at.
Speaker 1: I was going back and kind of saying some guys
Speaker 1: some names that I hadn't seen, and I mentioned up
Speaker 1: that I mentioned to you that the kid from Old
Speaker 1: Dominion Teamy, Yeah Boomy, Uh bummy bummy, but bu m
Speaker 1: I Boomy, Okay bummy Sureimmy bummy rut Timmy. That's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bummy rut Timmy from Old Dominion. Okay, young man's going
Speaker 1: to combine. I watched him on tape today. He is
Speaker 1: not a better player than Punaford, who is the top snublish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, And no offense the folks out
Speaker 1: there at Old Dominion. You know Nancy Lieberman final alumni
Speaker 1: theres yeah, you and the Commonwealth and the Commonwealth exactly right.
Speaker 1: But he is not a better player then than Poonaford. Now,
Speaker 1: I will tell you this though. There's there's a couple
Speaker 1: of guys I did I did not know about that
Speaker 1: that are at this that got invited that I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen yet. I will and I know you need to
Speaker 1: look at this guy. Yeah, but Matt Dickerson from UCLA,
Speaker 1: who are you? No, don't do that to me, Ken,
Speaker 1: don't do that. He's a defensive tackle. Yeah, he's didn't
Speaker 1: playing a little bit three technique, play a little bit.
Speaker 1: This guy sixty three, two hundred ninety pounds. That's his
Speaker 1: measurables right there. He might be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a guy that you would say is a four three
Speaker 1: defensive end, Isn't that? Isn't that the fun thing? A
Speaker 1: little bit though, Like everybody, I everybody chips in a
Speaker 1: little bit like I did not know anything about him,
Speaker 1: and I thought it together. I thought, I looked at
Speaker 1: several of the top defensive linemen in this thing. I
Speaker 1: thought I had an idea I just get in the
Speaker 1: third round. Well, he missed most of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, well we watched the game, watch the Texas
Speaker 1: A and M in Stanford game, and tell me you
Speaker 1: wouldn't draft this kid. Oh yeah, No, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that's why he's kind of going overlooked at this point.
Speaker 1: How do you overlook a guy? I mean, and he's
Speaker 1: going to combine, So that's a good that's a good
Speaker 1: right there. But I mean I could say Ford. I
Speaker 1: look back at Ford and I'm thinking, you know, I
Speaker 1: look at the kid at Old Dominion and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: why do you know? Why do you think that is? Like?
Speaker 1: Do they want to have I got it, I got
Speaker 1: my idea, Dane. Do you think they want to have
Speaker 1: a small school big school disparity? I think I think
Speaker 1: they are married to their preseason grades. They preaching really dumb. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, the grades that they come out with
Speaker 1: over the summer, which you know, there's how many teams
Speaker 1: subscribe to NFS. It's like twenty, yeah, something like that,
Speaker 1: and then there's like eight that belonged to Blessed four
Speaker 1: that don't belong to any scouting service. They they're a
Speaker 1: smaller scouting service. But yeah, the preseason grades that they
Speaker 1: come up with over the summer. They're so married to
Speaker 1: those and they don't change them enough. That's insane based
Speaker 1: on the senior see. Oh yeah, absolutely. So a guy
Speaker 1: like Poona Ford who didn't have a lot of juice
Speaker 1: coming into the year, but then he turns into the
Speaker 1: big twelve defensive linemen of the year, Yeah, fantastic twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: He gets overlooked because he wasn't highly graded enough in
Speaker 1: the summer, and it hurts a player like that unfortunately.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that's my theory on how
Speaker 1: that kind of happens. Would you agree with that? Brian
Speaker 1: nosolutely agree with that. You've got eight No, screw that
Speaker 1: college football ends on Thanksgiving, You've got two and a half.
Speaker 1: A little too, I think we're a little too snobbish
Speaker 1: there right now. I think we're a little too snobbish
Speaker 1: and the way that we the way that we go
Speaker 1: about picking these players for the common you've got to
Speaker 1: have the ability to have some flexibility at this thing.
Speaker 1: And trust me, I've been going to the thing since
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. I've seen it when it wasn't on TV.
Speaker 1: There was a day I'm like, there's no way in
Speaker 1: hell they're putting this on TV and now it's like
Speaker 1: must see, must see. There were ten there were ten
Speaker 1: twelve riders covering it. I thought about this this morning, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we we cover the championship parade like it's
Speaker 1: and now like if if you can put it on TV.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Combine has now become like must
Speaker 1: watch TV in the NFL calendar and something else. I
Speaker 1: think that's hurt um some of these seniors. Is all
Speaker 1: the underclassmen coming out, right, because that's in the way
Speaker 1: the Combine does it is they send out the invites
Speaker 1: and waves, and so they hold off a good chunk
Speaker 1: of invites until we get the official underclassmen list, which
Speaker 1: isn't released until you know, January fifteen, sixteen seventeenth around there,
Speaker 1: and then that next wave goes out to a lot
Speaker 1: of these underclassmen. That's some we didn't expect to come out.
Speaker 1: So the excessive number of underclassmen hurts a lot of
Speaker 1: these seniors who then lose a spot because of some
Speaker 1: of these underclassmen. Yeah, and we find it out a
Speaker 1: lot of these underclassmen can't play. There's got to be
Speaker 1: something they can do. Yeah, we've got to figure something out. Okay,
Speaker 1: go through. I just want you to go through a
Speaker 1: few of your guys well and the snubs. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you mention I'm like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: players into this thing, and you know you're well beyond that.
Speaker 1: We mentioned Punaford. Yeah, he's a good player that should
Speaker 1: be going. Yeah, I think the cat from Old Dominion shouldn't.
Speaker 1: My second highest graded guy right now. I think is
Speaker 1: Doris Fountain from Okay, We've talked about him, guy from Uh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna test really well wherever that is it's Pro
Speaker 1: Day whatever I thought an Iowa BA. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: test really well. He's an ideal late round candidate to
Speaker 1: stash on your team. Develop him. Like him a lot
Speaker 1: a couple of Senior Bowl guys. Kind of surprising. Uh.
Speaker 1: Bradley Bozeman, the center from Alabama had a good week.
Speaker 1: Had now he wasn't bad. No, he had a good week.
Speaker 1: Uh do you think because the center class is a
Speaker 1: little bit deeper that Bozeman didn't get yet? But he
Speaker 1: he's not is he's He's a guy that deserves an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go. I agree, I'll see him at Pro Day.
Speaker 1: I'm going to Alabama's pro day, by the way, are
Speaker 1: you Yeah? I'm gonna drive. When did you When did
Speaker 1: you decide that? Just two minutes ago? Just right now,
Speaker 1: just right now, there's gonna be fifteen guys out there,
Speaker 1: so you might I'm gonna go and be a part
Speaker 1: of Alabama's pro day. Okay, I'm just gonna make that true.
Speaker 1: I know how to get to Alabama on the road.
Speaker 1: How far from Dallas? About eight It's about eight and
Speaker 1: a half hours. You just take you just take twenty
Speaker 1: twenty across on hours east. I'll go see that center. Okay.
Speaker 1: How about a few safety that didn't have to invite? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Treyvon Henderson Hawaii. We talked about him at the Senior Bowl, Darling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Reeves South Alabama. See, now there's another guy that
Speaker 1: you know. You watched the South Alabama tape, and that's
Speaker 1: he's a good football player. I mean, I'm watching him.
Speaker 1: Let's see what I said. I mean, I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: At one time in my life, I used to be
Speaker 1: all just take notes off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Can't do that well. Jeremy Reeves is a guy that
Speaker 1: he played corner, played strong, and this past year they
Speaker 1: moved in the free safe. Yeah he was terrific. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Dan, I watched the kid. I just
Speaker 1: can't remember everything about him. Here, let's see, where's my man.
Speaker 1: He's a draftable player. Yeah, I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: top one hundred player, but he's a draftable player. No,
Speaker 1: he is. And and like you say, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the ball skills, you're talking about the physicality as a tackler.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of positive things about this kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and they say he was He got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to play at his home, his home stadium there,
Speaker 1: and he showed up. Well he did, which you know what,
Speaker 1: what like, if you show up well, you should be
Speaker 1: able to go to the combine at these bowl games
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: crying for an Alabama guy that doesn't get invited because
Speaker 1: the whole league is going to descend on his building
Speaker 1: for their pro day. I'll be there. But South Alabama
Speaker 1: and Hawaii, I mean, don't get me wrong. In the NFL,
Speaker 1: they'll turn over every stone, but the Hawaii Pro Day,
Speaker 1: it's probably not going to be as well attended as well.
Speaker 1: What they do. What they do is those kids, they
Speaker 1: bring them, they bring them to the mainland. Yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: do in California. Where where will it be though, like
Speaker 1: UCLA USC one of those whoever San Diego States sever
Speaker 1: the coaches are tight. Yeah, yeah, those kids. You don't
Speaker 1: have to travel to Hawaii to work these kids out.
Speaker 1: They will bring the kids to you. Right, Maybe that
Speaker 1: was a bad example. Some of some of these kids
Speaker 1: aren't going to get the opportunity to be seen at
Speaker 1: South Alabama exactly right. Should we've already been to Mobile once.
Speaker 1: Now the kid play South Alabama will probably have I know,
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. Eight scouts there, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: on their way to on their way to Florida State
Speaker 1: or what exact games will they these scouts will line
Speaker 1: it up, let's play well, let's play Devil's advocate like
Speaker 1: I you know. As frustrating it might be for us
Speaker 1: that some of these kids aren't invited. There's probably scouts
Speaker 1: that are like keep them out of endy good exactly's
Speaker 1: absolutely I gotta beat on this guy. I just think
Speaker 1: the medicals say, and yeah, you're right, we'll bring these guys,
Speaker 1: the medical thing is the most important thing at the combine.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and that's just and that's what we don't
Speaker 1: have access to, and that hurts our board sometimes. Yeah No,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, we're until the tape until April wind.
Speaker 1: Oh Jane was up on the show and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know that guy you love, he's not getting drafted. No,
Speaker 1: that's got a bad problem. The problem we have with
Speaker 1: that is and you're absolutely right, it happens where you
Speaker 1: have a guy as a first, second, third round grade
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, well, Dane, who do you
Speaker 1: got left on your board? Well? I have so that
Speaker 1: what was that pit tackle several years ago? Clemens had
Speaker 1: a hurt foot, Nobody really knew about it, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like we're sitting in day three
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Dan. Something is wrong with Clement?
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion jay a Gy Yeahraisy State fans still
Speaker 1: hate me. I'm out on Well, you were right though,
Speaker 1: That's what I said after the draft, like he went
Speaker 1: to the fifth round obviously something was going on. Oh,
Speaker 1: they just they read your report and they didn't You
Speaker 1: give me a lot of credit where you think that
Speaker 1: NFL teams see what I say and say, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna back off him. No teams flagged him because of
Speaker 1: his injuries, and look good for him. He's played in
Speaker 1: the league with three years now, two thousand, two thousand
Speaker 1: plus rushing yards and er Bowl champion, sparked the little
Speaker 1: thing on his finger. So good for him that he's
Speaker 1: been able to do it. I was rooting for him.
Speaker 1: I'll never get over that. He should have been a cowboy.
Speaker 1: Every year there's gonna be these guys. This year, it
Speaker 1: probably a guy that we we've talked at length about.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll be the medicals. Yeah, in a month,
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about oh depleted. Oh no, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: he's got a narrow spine. Seriously, No, it happens. You're
Speaker 1: sitting there and you're and you're like, you're just like,
Speaker 1: you're so excited about seeing these guys at the combine
Speaker 1: the workout, and you're like, all right, man, the tape's good,
Speaker 1: the workout's good. Oh wait a minute, he's got what
Speaker 1: he's got on a regular heartbeat. Oh he's a he's
Speaker 1: a this, you know, he's he's got this kind of trait.
Speaker 1: But it does sells or something. You know, thirty five
Speaker 1: of thirty five of these guys, give or take, won't
Speaker 1: be in a position for us to know that, which sucks.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly the point, because, yeah, it would be
Speaker 1: nice to know the full medical information on some of
Speaker 1: these guys that you know, take a guy I was
Speaker 1: just finished his report the other day, Cameron Moore from
Speaker 1: Boston College. Yeah, he's an interesting player. I think might
Speaker 1: be a better safety than corner. But he is a
Speaker 1: guy that the last three years twice his season ended
Speaker 1: early with an injury, and you just you worry about, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on with the durability is long term? Is
Speaker 1: that something you've got to be worried about for a
Speaker 1: lot of these players that don't get invites to the
Speaker 1: combine you're going based on you know, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to bring him in as a thirty visit, Yeah, to
Speaker 1: get kind of the information or you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it kind of stresses the team a little bit to
Speaker 1: get that info. Yeah, I say, I always appreciate the kids,
Speaker 1: and I think they do a better job now with
Speaker 1: the combine being later in February, super late this year,
Speaker 1: Later in February March because traditionally March twelfth was like
Speaker 1: the day of all the big workouts. I think you're
Speaker 1: going to be a week later on that. But you're
Speaker 1: giving kids the opportunity to at least finish their season
Speaker 1: and then get ready for the combine. You know, you're
Speaker 1: at least allow I mean, the best thing in the
Speaker 1: world was. I always respected the kids that worked out
Speaker 1: at the combine. You know. But then again, if a
Speaker 1: kid can run, he can run. Yeah, there's kids that
Speaker 1: can roll out of bed and run. Sitting here thinking
Speaker 1: even even the Alabama and Georgia kids who weren't done
Speaker 1: until January eighth, Yeah whatever, I mean there, it's almost
Speaker 1: two months after the fact. Sure they could get ready.
Speaker 1: If you can run, you can run. But it gives
Speaker 1: you six weeks to go work on your three cone
Speaker 1: or whatever it is you want to work on. No.
Speaker 1: I just and that's a completely different problem altogether. A
Speaker 1: team or these guys are training for oh, sure, combine
Speaker 1: exercises instead of football. There was a time where that
Speaker 1: that's just that's the beast at this point, that's what
Speaker 1: television's that's where television's helped the player, if you want
Speaker 1: to be honest, because you show those drills right there
Speaker 1: used to be a time where nobody really knew what
Speaker 1: the drills wore at the combine. Yeah, it was interesting. Um,
Speaker 1: I went back and I was looking at combine data. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I looking at Trell Owens and all that,
Speaker 1: and I went back to the ninety six combine. Uh
Speaker 1: that's when Owens and Dawkins is in that draft. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they didn't have the three cone. They had the
Speaker 1: four square four square. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot all
Speaker 1: about that. They went from the four square to the
Speaker 1: three cone right in the in the late nineties. So
Speaker 1: that was interesting. Abracado, Yeah, with his baby God rushed
Speaker 1: your Solcio, one of the great scouts. Never ever go
Speaker 1: out and hit the road. First guy ever went scouting
Speaker 1: with ron Wolf sent me with him to Iowa. Says,
Speaker 1: you're going to meet this guy at Iowa. Don't miss
Speaker 1: it's the legend. Don't mess it up. Passed Away was
Speaker 1: with the Houston Oilers and then the Tennessee Titans. Just
Speaker 1: a great but he invented the three cone drill. And
Speaker 1: I think it's to me people ask about that all
Speaker 1: the time. What's the most important drills? I love those
Speaker 1: drills with the movements, the short shuttles, the three cones,
Speaker 1: those are the drills that important. I mean, I want
Speaker 1: to see guy be able to redirect. I want to
Speaker 1: see guy a balanced movement quickness. Alonzo high Smith who
Speaker 1: longtime Scott with the Packers now at the Brown Yeah,
Speaker 1: he told me that, you know the most important thing
Speaker 1: is how does a player perform in space? Yeah? How
Speaker 1: does a player hold up in space? And the three
Speaker 1: cone and those kind of drills help illustrate exactly that.
Speaker 1: So that does help, Yeah, it sure does. I just
Speaker 1: like I said, I love the combine, but really focus
Speaker 1: on the medical aspect of it. Yeah, that's where you
Speaker 1: really really really need to focus. A few more guys
Speaker 1: that didn't get Arron Johnson, the Weaver State corner that
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl he is not going. A couple Auburn guys.
Speaker 1: Trey Williams, a linebacker will him Yeah, And Trey Matthews,
Speaker 1: the safety he will not be at the Combine. See now, people, Okay,
Speaker 1: Trey Matthews has an interesting story because of what happened
Speaker 1: to him at Georgia. Kicked out of George after his
Speaker 1: freshman season. See this is things you could learn when
Speaker 1: you if you have a kid at the combine, rightet,
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes with a guy, yeah, you get eight You
Speaker 1: get time to sit there and visit with him and
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to ask him a few more questions.
Speaker 1: Now you'd have to bring him in or do something
Speaker 1: at his work. He's had plenty of injuries too. He
Speaker 1: had he had surgery on both shoulders within a four
Speaker 1: week period. Yeah, I mean there's so there's durability stuff
Speaker 1: there too. So yeah, Trey Matthews would have been a
Speaker 1: perfect guy to have at the combine for the off field,
Speaker 1: for the medical and then I'm he's kind of a
Speaker 1: safety linebacker tweeter a little bit. I want to see
Speaker 1: how he performs in some of these agility drills. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's disappointing he won't be there that that's too bad
Speaker 1: for him. And one of the guy I wanted to
Speaker 1: mention Joe Ausman from Central Michigan. There is a guy
Speaker 1: who led the FBS averaging one point three sacks per
Speaker 1: game this past year. So Ausman, say the name Joe Ausmon,
Speaker 1: Joe Aston, Michigan, Central Michigan. He's undersized, short arms, smaller guy.
Speaker 1: So the measurables aren't there, but still I would I
Speaker 1: have liked to see I thought he deserved a chance
Speaker 1: a bit combine sack a game one point three sacks
Speaker 1: for Yeah, I led the FBS bad great name, Joe
Speaker 1: Ausmon the mack. Take a look at my guy Dickinson too,
Speaker 1: by the way, from Yeah, from UCLA. He's on the
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Speaker 1: This is one of my I always say this, this
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite parts of the show. I
Speaker 1: love the back and forth when we get into players
Speaker 1: tell me more after the combine. It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite because it again you talk about guys. But I
Speaker 1: do like the interaction that we do have with the
Speaker 1: fans on Twitter, and I do want to say the
Speaker 1: people that are falling along on Periscope Live. I just
Speaker 1: said thank you for doing that as well. That is
Speaker 1: such a new and different medium. Yeah. Now I'm kind
Speaker 1: of watching the comments and stuff like that, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, people are ripping you Helme, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'll let them do that happens now. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: It's really not they probably I love Dane, they hate me,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But no, everybody loves Dane. Most
Speaker 1: people like you. The least amount of people like me
Speaker 1: about that. But no, we do appreciate everybody out there
Speaker 1: that that follows along this way and the people that
Speaker 1: go back and watch. Hey, if you're working out, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll provide you an hour worth of content when you're
Speaker 1: on the treadmill out running around whatever you want to do, walking, lifting, whatever.
Speaker 1: But we do appreciate that. All right, David, I will
Speaker 1: give you the platform for a little twitter on the Twitter.
Speaker 1: Go for it, sir. Really relevant question from Kai in
Speaker 1: light of what we were talking about right before the
Speaker 1: last break. He says numbers are important, but which player
Speaker 1: will have the most important interviews at the Combine this year?
Speaker 1: And that maybe I'm just not that god our fans
Speaker 1: with thinking I'm not thinking deep enough, because there's not
Speaker 1: there's not a guy that jumps out to me other
Speaker 1: than Baker Mayfield. There's not a guy that jumps out
Speaker 1: to me. Is like kind of like, well, Rosen, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rosen has got to prove to people that he is
Speaker 1: not the guy that everybody thinks he is. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is like the smarmie. Yeah, I've said. He when he's
Speaker 1: in a conversation, he thinks he's the smartest one in
Speaker 1: the conversation. Girls if who was talking to That's just
Speaker 1: how he is. And he can't get away with that
Speaker 1: at Combine interviews, right, there's no chance. And so he
Speaker 1: better check himself at the door, learn some humility and
Speaker 1: even if it's an act, even if he knows like
Speaker 1: that's he's just gonna revert back to whoever he is, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, down the line, and once he gets drafted,
Speaker 1: at least put that on the shelf for now, and
Speaker 1: you know, show a little bit of humbleness. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he's able to do that. It's just not
Speaker 1: in his DNA, not in his makeup. But it's really
Speaker 1: important for a lot of these teams that they see
Speaker 1: that from him when they interview him. Yeah, I totally agree. See,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are always the fascinating group because you want
Speaker 1: him a little you want him a little cocky. I
Speaker 1: want them with a little Edgar Rodgers isn't a very
Speaker 1: humbled person. Yeah, but you, but you, But you better
Speaker 1: figure things out real fast to them because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, there's a lot of general managers that
Speaker 1: maybe guys that haven't gone on the road, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they've had to stay with their teams and worry
Speaker 1: about their teams, and they haven't had a chance to
Speaker 1: go to the schools and talk to these guys about
Speaker 1: these players. This will be the first opportunity that they
Speaker 1: have to to see him, maybe maybe a head coach.
Speaker 1: He'll be his first opportunity as well to kind of
Speaker 1: talk to him. What about I mean, is there and
Speaker 1: well is there? Like we got any gun runners in
Speaker 1: this draft? I mean Joe Mixon famously wasn't invited to
Speaker 1: the Combine. I'm struggling to think. I wrote a story.
Speaker 1: That's that story I wrote about I felt bad for
Speaker 1: all my buddies. That's the one time in my life
Speaker 1: I felt out about being the Combine and being a
Speaker 1: media guy because I felt like me being there did
Speaker 1: not allow them to talk to Joe Mixon. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember you writing that that was that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the media's fault. Yeah, the media's fault because I talked
Speaker 1: to several guys that said, hey, listen, if you guys
Speaker 1: weren't here, Joe Mixon would be here. And I felt
Speaker 1: bad for that. I felt like I felt like that
Speaker 1: those guys. And I'll tell you I talked to John Dorsey,
Speaker 1: John Snyder, those guys, you know, they were like they
Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to the Kid's a dumb rule.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible it's a terrible rule. We said it
Speaker 1: last year when they announced it, and it's still this
Speaker 1: terrible rule. And yeah, I don't Yeah, this year, I
Speaker 1: don't think we have any of those guys, at least,
Speaker 1: you know, Mixon level guys. But arden Key, you know
Speaker 1: arden Key. Yeah, he's got a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of things to answer for, just with the durability with
Speaker 1: you know, how much does he love football, how important
Speaker 1: is it for him to reach his ceiling as an
Speaker 1: NFL player. There's a lot going on with him. I
Speaker 1: think Mike Hughes, another possible Top twenty player, could be
Speaker 1: in the mixing teen who knows. He started his career
Speaker 1: at North Carolina and he was kicked out because he
Speaker 1: got into a fight at three am at a fraternity party.
Speaker 1: Had been there, knocked a guy out. Clean you you
Speaker 1: were the guy knocked out, of course, Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't let him knock you out. Oh thanks, Brian. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of these guys that have something to answer for,
Speaker 1: and even if it's just you know, kind of their
Speaker 1: journey where they came from. A guy like Ian Thomas,
Speaker 1: who great, We talked about him. Yeah, that's one of
Speaker 1: our guys for that. We did died in from Indiana.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. Yes, yeah yeah on future, yeah,
Speaker 1: on the clock stuff. One of my favorite players in
Speaker 1: this draft, a Cowboys third round Yeah, sign me up.
Speaker 1: But he's kind of a late bloomer coming up through Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Not in the greatest situation. Both his parents died early
Speaker 1: at a young age, and so he him and his
Speaker 1: siblings he had like nine siblings, he has he had
Speaker 1: the maneuver through that. So just hearing it from the
Speaker 1: kid and you know, talking about his life experience, their
Speaker 1: perspective on things, and then of course just the football intelligence,
Speaker 1: you know, it's these combine interviews are quick and so
Speaker 1: it's there's only so much to gather, but still you
Speaker 1: can talk about concepts, talk about different schemes, what they're
Speaker 1: It's the first impression, right, It's the first impression. It's
Speaker 1: the first time you get and then if you really
Speaker 1: like the kid, you'll bring him back for one of
Speaker 1: your thirties. Right, And the first question you'll ask is
Speaker 1: what was the first thing? I remember that thing I
Speaker 1: asked you back at the combine. Yeah, what was the
Speaker 1: answer to that? Yeah, exactly, better have the answer. You're
Speaker 1: a GM. Seriously, why are you sitting here with me?
Speaker 1: We talked about combine snubs. And then there's the category
Speaker 1: of the forgotten guy who does get a combine invite,
Speaker 1: which Connor wants to know about Wisconsin linebacker Jack Dane.
Speaker 1: Help me with the name Cishi City City? Who was
Speaker 1: he did get a combine invite? Yeah, he's injured in
Speaker 1: August or September, I believe, Yeah City, right, And there
Speaker 1: are a lot of names we're having to do with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jack City, Like, she's kind of the he's a kind
Speaker 1: of the forgotten guy in this drift because he Yeah,
Speaker 1: towards a cl in August. He had a peck injury
Speaker 1: last year that kind of bothered him. But when he's
Speaker 1: healthy and on the field, he's outstanding. Uh, like a
Speaker 1: fluid athlete, moves really well. Uh. Yeah, we both really
Speaker 1: like to bite Byu or linebacker Fred Warner. She's like
Speaker 1: a bigger, better version of that. But the durability is
Speaker 1: what you worry about. Yeah, is a guy that has
Speaker 1: not been able to stay healthy, hasn't been able to
Speaker 1: stay on the field, and typical Wisconsin former walk on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how they find these walk ons. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you know he's a Wisconsin kid who just went
Speaker 1: overlooked late bloomer the way he developed. But he I
Speaker 1: think he's a big time player. The biggest thing is
Speaker 1: just injuries kid from BYU. Yeah, awesome, Well, and let
Speaker 1: me know what you think. That's what I need to do.
Speaker 1: You're right, give me the opportunity at the segue because
Speaker 1: Payson wants to know who's a better fit for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Fred Warner or Darius Leonard South Carolina State, and Warner's
Speaker 1: coming to us from jog my memory. I like Leonard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I like yeah, I do. And uh, you
Speaker 1: know it's interesting that. Yeah, I'm not a question God darn,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm not talking about just purely
Speaker 1: as a prospect you're talking about for the Cowboys. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm gonna go back again. I think Fred
Speaker 1: Warner's a linebacker that all thirty two teams are gonna like. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's not scheme specific, right, He's a guy that has
Speaker 1: the type of skills that no matter what formation you're running,
Speaker 1: what sub package, he's a guy that fits in some
Speaker 1: form or fashion with his ability to hold up uh
Speaker 1: and run support, his ability and coverage, the overall range
Speaker 1: he has on the field. Yeah. I'm a big Fred
Speaker 1: Warner fan too, So I give me Warner. I think
Speaker 1: he's a better player. You know what though, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't just agree with anything you're saying about Warner,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking at my Leonard notes and I and
Speaker 1: I this is a guy that can flow to the ball,
Speaker 1: and you see that with Warner two. I mean you
Speaker 1: talk about quick read, flow, sideline the sideline or hurry
Speaker 1: you know, just how to go for turnovers, gets off blocks,
Speaker 1: plays with his hands, runs through tackles. You know, I
Speaker 1: think that the only thing I saw. But he has
Speaker 1: to be a little careful about breaking down in space.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I saw. But other than that, man,
Speaker 1: the guy's got ball skills, reads, reacts, outstanding plain speed.
Speaker 1: But I think Warner is a little bit bigger guy
Speaker 1: on tape where Leonard is a thinner guy. Yes, you
Speaker 1: know one, yeah, six two, two twenty nine. Warner looked
Speaker 1: like that. I think he was two thirty five at
Speaker 1: the at the senior ball, where Leonard was two twenty nine.
Speaker 1: But these cats get to the ball. It's South Carolina State.
Speaker 1: They've been pumping out some defensive guys. Yeah, Javon Hargrave,
Speaker 1: they sure have. He won the MEAC Defensive Player Year
Speaker 1: his junior and senior seasons. He went to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard steps in. He won the defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year in the MEAD South Junior South Carolina State.
Speaker 1: They've been pumping out some dudes and Leonard, where do
Speaker 1: you think he ends? If you think he's a third rounder,
Speaker 1: fourth rounder? I got him in the only just I
Speaker 1: don't have to guess. I mean, if I could pull
Speaker 1: my notes up here again, I to me. Warner is
Speaker 1: a Warner. I thought I had him in the I
Speaker 1: had him in the third. Yeah, I agree, And I
Speaker 1: think I had Leonard in the fourth. Is how I
Speaker 1: did it? Yeah, that's that's right around the range. If
Speaker 1: you guys keep visiting, I will tell you exactly. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I didn't pull up my poor damn notes. No,
Speaker 1: my board, your board, my board. I need my board
Speaker 1: to come up here is what I need. I have
Speaker 1: a two three on Warner, he's my number five linebacker.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I don't disagree with you there, Leonard.
Speaker 1: I have it in the fourth right behind your boy
Speaker 1: Shakim m Jaquim Griffin. You guys are gonna be right
Speaker 1: about Shaquim. No, you're gonna be right. I want to know.
Speaker 1: I want him to I want him to be great.
Speaker 1: And you know, and you know Cabanat, we had this
Speaker 1: discussion in the Kavanaugh Jeff Kavanaugh from Winder five three,
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, you know those guys. They you know, I'm
Speaker 1: always from the school of if you know three guys
Speaker 1: out of four telling me this is what it is,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll fight you all day. But when I
Speaker 1: got three guys that I trust telling me broadus think
Speaker 1: about it this way. You're saying that you would take
Speaker 1: them in a second and work. Oh yeah, I'm cheerleading.
Speaker 1: I got the palm palms. I'm waving them. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm jumping up and down. And you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: whoa broadest tappitt y'all are trying to take me into
Speaker 1: a ditch right here, and I'm not gonna lay no.
Speaker 1: I got Actually, I got Warner. I got Warner in
Speaker 1: the second round, and I got Leonard in the third.
Speaker 1: That's how I got it. I'm going to attribute this
Speaker 1: question to Jay, but really, we've got a small army
Speaker 1: of people asking us about these two guys, like I mean,
Speaker 1: dozens of people want to know why aren't we talking
Speaker 1: more about Tavin Bryan and Tim Settle. I watched Tim
Speaker 1: Settle yesterday. These are defensive tackles, both of them. Big boy.
Speaker 1: Bryan's from Brian's from Florida, Settles from Virginia. There's people
Speaker 1: that think I've I've got Brian. People tell me Bryant
Speaker 1: should be a consideration at nineteen. I don't. There's no
Speaker 1: way I would take him at nineteen. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you this though, there's people I like out there
Speaker 1: that that look at this stuff, you know, and they
Speaker 1: bring up the sack numbers. You know, for Brian the
Speaker 1: four sacks. Well, that's the reasons. That's not bad for
Speaker 1: a tackle. That's what I'm saying for a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: where his strength is to get into the backfield because
Speaker 1: he's no I understand he is struggles big time versus
Speaker 1: the run. Watch you watch the SEC offenses. They'll run
Speaker 1: right at him because they know exactly what he's gonna
Speaker 1: do and he has no gap discipline and teams are
Speaker 1: able to run at him. His strength is as a
Speaker 1: past rusher, his ability to his quickness off the ball
Speaker 1: at tack gaps, us his upper body power, he can
Speaker 1: snatch blockers move them. There's a lot to like from
Speaker 1: a trades perspective. He's now standing athlete, but you know,
Speaker 1: again trades over production. But six tackles for lost last year.
Speaker 1: I need a guy that knows what he's doing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, you're right. I mean I do think he
Speaker 1: can get better. I do think that there's upside there.
Speaker 1: I'm just not drafting a guy that I hope reaches
Speaker 1: his upside at least that big of a gap at
Speaker 1: number nineteen, I would take him in a second round.
Speaker 1: What about Settle? What do you think is he's I
Speaker 1: was just a big guy who know That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and I'll I'll do settle for you. I mean I
Speaker 1: pushed some mill the pocket plays with some power of
Speaker 1: some quick inside moves, disruptive when he comes off the ball, balance,
Speaker 1: doesn't go to the ground when they try and cut him.
Speaker 1: Tries to bend, but not always successful. Needs to finish
Speaker 1: the rush. That's where I saw a lot of like
Speaker 1: he was always close, yeah, and never really finished the rush.
Speaker 1: I thought there were times where he was lazy rushing
Speaker 1: too absolutely where like his conditioning at three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds was problematic for him. And it seems
Speaker 1: like most of it's up here. Yeah, he's got a lord,
Speaker 1: he's gotta like a funny built body. He's like a
Speaker 1: potato with straw stuck in him. He's got this big man.
Speaker 1: You know, think about always have the best and now
Speaker 1: we'll think about the visual of that. Yeah, take a potato.
Speaker 1: Potato kind of looks it sticks straws in it, and
Speaker 1: that's how he looks. He's like vitaa if Vita Vero
Speaker 1: couldn't bend or you know, play lego and drop his hips,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's just he's a big guy, but
Speaker 1: he's just he's kind of a one gapper, you know,
Speaker 1: like he can't two gap. He doesn't anchor. And if
Speaker 1: you're that size, kind of know your role, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of good one techniques in this drafts.
Speaker 1: He's like a one technique who wants to be a
Speaker 1: three techno. Yeah, the way he plays via Payne Phillips,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's kind of I mean, there's
Speaker 1: guys ahead of him. If you're gonna draft a one technique,
Speaker 1: I'm taking those guys over. I am taking him with grade.
Speaker 1: You slap on him. I put him in the fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I have a fourth on him too. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: But just I was people were kept telling me, look
Speaker 1: at the sky Bross. I did, and I and and
Speaker 1: I saw him kind of lazily make plays, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of lazily rush. And I'm thinking he needs to
Speaker 1: get in better condition. If he gets it better, because
Speaker 1: he does have some traits. But if he comes to
Speaker 1: the combine at three twenty, do anything for you, I'd
Speaker 1: be happy for him more of a more of a
Speaker 1: red flag for me, because just getting into the shape
Speaker 1: for this, yeah, why yeah, why do you play You're
Speaker 1: playing strength? Was this and you know you're just gonna
Speaker 1: revert back to it and so yeah, it's I know
Speaker 1: this is a this is a trap that we advise
Speaker 1: fans not to fall into. But it's getting to the
Speaker 1: point where I'm terrified of these Florida defensive linemen. Just
Speaker 1: talking about Bryan just a second. No, I'm and that's
Speaker 1: why I said it. I'm just I need one of
Speaker 1: these guys to actually do something in the league. And
Speaker 1: Brian's interesting because he's he's a Wyoming kid, first Wyoming
Speaker 1: kid ever to go to Florida. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of traits there, a lot to work with. Just
Speaker 1: there's some things to worry about, for sure. Fimy wants
Speaker 1: to know. And I feel like there's a veiled Byron
Speaker 1: Jones shout out in this question because he says, who's
Speaker 1: a guy we are not talking about right now who
Speaker 1: could vault into the first round conversation here in the
Speaker 1: kind I mean, you know, I would that's post Combine
Speaker 1: more than likely, which the first, I mean Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is a great example about your guy. Alexander full name Brian.
Speaker 1: Come on, Jerry, Alexander school Brian. I mean, he's top
Speaker 1: twenty on my board, so I'm gonna let him talk
Speaker 1: about him, you know. I to me, he's already a
Speaker 1: first round so that okay. He's top twenty on my
Speaker 1: draft board, so it's not a It wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: surprise to me. I think he's absolutely deserving a first
Speaker 1: round consideration. It's just he's a little undersized. He missed
Speaker 1: most this year with injury that could keep him out.
Speaker 1: I got a name for you. Yeah, Louisville's to school,
Speaker 1: by the way, I just wanted to day interrupt him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Believille. Uh what if I told you I'm from
Speaker 1: the future, I'm from May First, I come back and
Speaker 1: I tell you guess what you know? Won't believe he
Speaker 1: went in the first round. DJ Chark, Oh okay, Jeff Kavanaugh, No,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh will fuller at this time two three years ago?
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, I'm miss say, guys that can take
Speaker 1: the top off in the defense. Literally, did you do
Speaker 1: trust to tape podcast yesterday? Yeah? Okay, did you have
Speaker 1: that discussion. I didn't listen to that yesterday's discussion. Three
Speaker 1: nights ago, we watched Chark with with v hows you
Speaker 1: guys were hammering, no, no, no, no. Kavanaugh just quietly goes,
Speaker 1: I just I'm not saying he is. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it's impossible that DJ Chark's the best receiver in
Speaker 1: this class when it's all same. I think that's nuts.
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you, but at least for acknowledging that
Speaker 1: I think he's a third round player. But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we're just looking at all right back to the question
Speaker 1: and what the NFL values speed at the receiver position,
Speaker 1: the ability about some consistency. How about the fact that
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of teams that are gonna say,
Speaker 1: look at that offense he was in, get that call
Speaker 1: that quarterback, the same thing. They're going to make excuses
Speaker 1: up and down for him downfield, opportunity to watch, you know,
Speaker 1: watch every play he's will Fuller had more drops than
Speaker 1: any of the first three rounds that year. But but
Speaker 1: are we okay with will Fuller Texas? No, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He still went, I know what you're saying. I know what.
Speaker 1: He was the second receiver drafted that year, just ahead
Speaker 1: of Dockson Or and Treadwell Michael Thomas. If if dj
Speaker 1: Chart goes to the combine and oh he will he will, Well,
Speaker 1: it depends what if he runs a four three eight,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you expect. If he
Speaker 1: runs in the low four threes, that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: number that can move the needles a little. I mean
Speaker 1: he's six three and can move so, like I hear
Speaker 1: what Dayton's saying, I just think it would be a mistake.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, it would be a mistake. He
Speaker 1: is not a first round player, but if we were
Speaker 1: looking for a name that could surprise Hey and one
Speaker 1: of his teammates as well, Dante Jackson Jackson the corner,
Speaker 1: Speaking of mistakes, I oh, mistakes first round in the
Speaker 1: first round, the first round? Yes, yes again, Why what
Speaker 1: is he going to run the camp? He might run
Speaker 1: get the four twos at the combine. Guys that can
Speaker 1: run that fast, had that type of speed. He's tye
Speaker 1: of the most undisciplined players. Where where was where was
Speaker 1: Trey White? Drafted twenty seven something like that? Yeah, his
Speaker 1: tape is like light years better than Oh yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: that if you're drafting him, it's because, like I hope,
Speaker 1: it's because you want to kick returner, punt returner and not.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's a bad player. Dante Jackson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a first round player. He's not a first
Speaker 1: round player. Um, where do why I have him slotted?
Speaker 1: I think I have a who Jackson? Dante Jackson Jackson,
Speaker 1: I have a two three on him, So I agree
Speaker 1: because he's not he doesn't have first round tape. But again,
Speaker 1: he's might vote for the fastest four we at the combine.
Speaker 1: And it's not just straight line speed with like DJ
Speaker 1: Sharks more straight line speed. Jackson I think is gonna
Speaker 1: kill it in the three cone and all the agility drills.
Speaker 1: And he's not a big guy. He's probably two I
Speaker 1: think more like five ten and a half probably closer
Speaker 1: that he's If he breaks one eighty, that's good for him.
Speaker 1: He might not freakish athlete who like more often than
Speaker 1: not as a good player, who once or twice every
Speaker 1: game or two is going to do something so undisciplined, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's the he's the tackle, his safety guy.
Speaker 1: He's like that. Oh god, that ten yard game turned
Speaker 1: into sixty yards because Dante tackled the safety. The defensive
Speaker 1: holding on the other side of the field. That will
Speaker 1: wiped out a sack by arden Key. You know how
Speaker 1: many coaches are in the NFL. Let's say, oh no,
Speaker 1: I'll coach it out of him. Will instill some discipline
Speaker 1: in this. Those coaches are looking for jobs. How about that?
Speaker 1: Two happens every year. I'm to LSU grads sitting here
Speaker 1: just arguing why their players are not. We're hard on
Speaker 1: those kids. We're hard on I'm I'm hard. I'll say
Speaker 1: this though, Okay him. Did you like Hill from Texas? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like him a lot, just he's he can't hip him
Speaker 1: off the field and Holton Hill Hill, I like his
Speaker 1: tape a lot. Actually, okay, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: off field? Yeah, okay, just tell me who the better
Speaker 1: player is on tape? Like the tape? Yeah, Holton Hill
Speaker 1: or or Jackson? If Holton Hill, yeah, if I have have
Speaker 1: to win a game right now, it's Holton Hill. He's
Speaker 1: a better player, yeah for sure. But Jackson is better
Speaker 1: physical and athletic trade so could hold Holton Hill is
Speaker 1: not going to go in the first round because of
Speaker 1: his off the field stuff. You might go in a
Speaker 1: second or third round because of that. What a good player.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's he just needs to stay cleaning Texas.
Speaker 1: By the way, folks, Dante Jackson is drafted before Tradavious
Speaker 1: White was. Hey, I could have just recycled the same names.
Speaker 1: I just brought two new names. Oh no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: That's why we got you, right, because we're gonna lose
Speaker 1: you to an NFL team next year at this time.
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Speaker 1: the Draft Show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Again, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kit Garrison. That could
Speaker 1: be producing as always, Dab. We've got about fifteen minutes left, sir,
Speaker 1: so let's play a little why or why not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where we go with this because
Speaker 1: at least a few of these guys are are hot
Speaker 1: topic players, right, It's particularly among the Cowboys. So basically,
Speaker 1: you know one he all is going to present the
Speaker 1: argument for why and the other why not right kind
Speaker 1: of Yeah, we'll pack and judge Judy on here. All right,
Speaker 1: let's start off with h Like I said, a hot topic,
Speaker 1: guy Tremaine Edmonds, the Virginia Tech linebacker. A lot of
Speaker 1: talk about him as a pick at nineteen. Why or
Speaker 1: why not? You wont the flip? Go ahead? You tell
Speaker 1: me why we need it, why we should draft him,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. You'll tell you what. This
Speaker 1: guy could play all three positions for you. I love
Speaker 1: the fact he's six to four, he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty five pounds. Love the physical nature of him. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of things that you can
Speaker 1: do with this guy. I think you could play him
Speaker 1: in coverage. I think he can carry receivers for you.
Speaker 1: I think he can finish in space. For a tall guy,
Speaker 1: he gets in the cracks. I mean, if you blitz
Speaker 1: him and stuff like that, He's got a feel for
Speaker 1: how to get to the football. You can use him
Speaker 1: as a blitzer. I you know, I think he's a
Speaker 1: nice joban blitz hims creating pressure with him. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you can do with
Speaker 1: this guy scheme wise, Like how he fights through the trash,
Speaker 1: gets through the ball, like how he finishes, physical guy, toughness,
Speaker 1: all those things. I would welcome that guy in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: For a team that needs linebackers, I would welcome him too,
Speaker 1: for the right value. I think we've kind of been
Speaker 1: conditioned to think that he's just this top ten player,
Speaker 1: one of the top ten players in this draft. He
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's just been kind of accepted
Speaker 1: now at this point, and I think that's crazy. He's
Speaker 1: a good player, Don't get me wrong. I think everything
Speaker 1: you said is right. But why I think there's we
Speaker 1: could pull holes in him. Yeah, he has the size
Speaker 1: and the ability, but he has the length. He has
Speaker 1: no idea how to use that length. Is a take
Speaker 1: on skills. A lot of issues there from a mental standpoint.
Speaker 1: His eye discipline, the way he breaks down what he sees.
Speaker 1: It's up and down, it runs hot and cold. He
Speaker 1: falls asleep at times in coverage you like. And he's
Speaker 1: a young guy. I mean, I think that is a
Speaker 1: part of it too. People see a young guy, they think, oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, stole us plenty of room before
Speaker 1: he hits his football ceiling. That's a big that's a projection,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about top ten pick. So I think
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I went with you there, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that he is this no doubt about it,
Speaker 1: top ten, top twelve player in this draft. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people seem to think if he's a no
Speaker 1: doubt about a top ten, top twelve player or if
Speaker 1: he's not, I mean, maybe that means he's a top
Speaker 1: nineteen player. Though I would say he's a top nineteen player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but traits are great. Yeah, there's a lot of I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of other questions though. Another darling
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys draft Twitter Blogga Sphere not so much
Speaker 1: in the first round, but just in general, Notre Dame
Speaker 1: wide receiver Equanimious Saint Brown, Why are we not very
Speaker 1: good athlete? This is a guy who kind of grew
Speaker 1: up being molded for this. His dad was a two
Speaker 1: time All Universe Olympia or bodybuilder whatever. Very good athlete,
Speaker 1: very well conditioned. I think as a sophomore with a
Speaker 1: capable passing game with Deshauan Kaiser, you saw what Saint
Speaker 1: Brown could be. Had almost a thousand yards ten touchdowns
Speaker 1: this past year with Brandon Wimbush just his production fell
Speaker 1: off a cliff because they had no passing game. But
Speaker 1: this is a guy who can threaten every level of
Speaker 1: the defense. He can help you out short, intermediate, long.
Speaker 1: Once he hones his routes, which I think he'll do,
Speaker 1: it'll come in time. If we're gonna find if we're
Speaker 1: gonna pick a Juju Smith Schuster in this draft. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy that kind of gets overlooked goes second third round.
Speaker 1: I think it's a quominious Saint Brown. It's not like
Speaker 1: you liked him there, an't you. Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll agree with him about the quarterback stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll agree with him about the quarterback the
Speaker 1: play there. I just didn't really see a guy that
Speaker 1: that made enough big plays, you know. I mean, even
Speaker 1: if your quarterback's bad, make some plays for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I didn't see that. And that that's
Speaker 1: the problem I have it again, if you know, if
Speaker 1: you know when you're talking about Juju Smith and those guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a good quarterback throwing him the football. But
Speaker 1: the guys that the guys that stand out for me,
Speaker 1: And you're right about the trades and the talent, But
Speaker 1: I didn't see a guy that always helped his quarterback
Speaker 1: out either, you know. But I that's the problem I
Speaker 1: had with him. I think a lot of people blame
Speaker 1: the quarterback play or the lack of it, that oh,
Speaker 1: that's why he didn't. But there's some times when you
Speaker 1: watch him play where he is not the most consistent
Speaker 1: catching the football, And so I would think, where did
Speaker 1: you have him on your on your board? Second third?
Speaker 1: He was like a fourth round guy to me. He
Speaker 1: didn't make my top fifty. Yeah, but close. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was close, but he would
Speaker 1: have had a shot him if I did my top
Speaker 1: seventy five. Yeah, I definitely would have been my top
Speaker 1: one hundred. I kind of feel like though that Again,
Speaker 1: I think that the people give him the crutch of
Speaker 1: the bad quarterback play, and I'd like to see him,
Speaker 1: you know, and he might turn out to be a
Speaker 1: fine receiver when it's all said and done. But I
Speaker 1: just didn't see him always helping this guy out either,
Speaker 1: as Matt end as somebody who covers the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time around the Cowboys. The phrase
Speaker 1: Dane lost the argument as soon as he said, once
Speaker 1: he hones his routes, I don't need that in my life. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need the guy that's already got the perfect route tree,
Speaker 1: or at least to the very good one. And that's
Speaker 1: fair for most teams. And I think it just yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to look at the player and kind of
Speaker 1: figure out can he do it? Will he get better
Speaker 1: as a route runner, because not every you know, Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams and every guy is going to get better as
Speaker 1: a route runner, and you have to try to identify
Speaker 1: that before you draft him. But I think with this guy,
Speaker 1: I think with sint Brown, I think he will. I
Speaker 1: do think that all the talent and the technical understanding
Speaker 1: is there, just needs to apply it. Tight end or
Speaker 1: excuse me, Wisconsin tight end, Brian, you always write the
Speaker 1: position before the school address drives me crazy. Wisconsin tight
Speaker 1: end Troy Fumagali Senior Bowl guy. Yeah him, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: take him layers okay. With Troy Fumagalley, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think that you know, we're gonna get into a
Speaker 1: group of tight ends here that are a lot better
Speaker 1: route runners, catchers, downfield players than we are going to
Speaker 1: get blockers. You know, with the exception, maybe Ian Thomas
Speaker 1: from Indiana. As an inline guy. I think that this
Speaker 1: group and Fumgalley, in my opinion, is kind of one
Speaker 1: of those guys that you get this guy a running start,
Speaker 1: you know, as an age or move guy. Don't match
Speaker 1: him to play in line, but move him around a
Speaker 1: little bit. This guy will secure his block, he'll get
Speaker 1: into his guy, he'll get some space, He'll he'll find
Speaker 1: a way to turn on a guy. I kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of understand who he is. He's a push
Speaker 1: shove guy, but he'll wall off seal. I don't see
Speaker 1: his guy getting to the play a lot. I really
Speaker 1: really don't, you know. I watch him play and so
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I think he has to be
Speaker 1: on the move more than he has to be in line.
Speaker 1: I think he's a red zone weapon. I really really do.
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy too. With the way the
Speaker 1: Cowboys play with all the underneath routes and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: with their tight end, this guy knows how to go
Speaker 1: from one spot to the other, get across the field,
Speaker 1: get open. You can watch Wisconsin's offense. They do that
Speaker 1: a bunch. The boots, the waggles, the things like that
Speaker 1: this guy, they throw it to him, he's in position
Speaker 1: to catch it. He can adjust low, he can adjust high.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem at all with Troy Fumagali.
Speaker 1: I really really don't, because I think in a group,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for that middle, if you don't want
Speaker 1: to take one of those tight ends high, I think
Speaker 1: maybe third fourth round type of a guy. Though they
Speaker 1: can give you something as a move blocker, but also
Speaker 1: the hands, the security catching the football. A lot of
Speaker 1: positive things about that. Sounds like you're describing a guy
Speaker 1: you think could be a starter. I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with him. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I see
Speaker 1: too many physical limitations personally. I he's he realizes more
Speaker 1: on his routes to get open than any type of
Speaker 1: burst or quickness. Speed is average at best lineing. NFL
Speaker 1: linebackers are going to stick to him up and down
Speaker 1: the field as a blocker. I think he's just gonna
Speaker 1: get overwhelmed. He saw it sometimes in Big ten play,
Speaker 1: and I think NFL linebackers, defensive lineman it's they're not
Speaker 1: going to have much trouble overwhelming him. So I like
Speaker 1: Fumigali as a guy in somewhere on day three. But
Speaker 1: again I just because he deserves credit. He the way
Speaker 1: he developed and kind of came up through that system
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. They kind of groomed him to be that
Speaker 1: complete tight end, very reliable hands, even though he only
Speaker 1: has what nine fingers. But Fumigali is a guy that
Speaker 1: I just I see too many physical limitations. I agree
Speaker 1: with you to a point. Maybe in the red zone
Speaker 1: as a you know, a second tight end, maybe come
Speaker 1: in and help you there. But there are eight nine
Speaker 1: better tight ends in this drafts. He's open a lot
Speaker 1: more than he's covered. If you watch the tape, yeah
Speaker 1: he watched You watched the all the balls that are
Speaker 1: thrown to him. Yeah, But that's what I'm saying, get
Speaker 1: you know Ken when he gets he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that knows how to get open. You know. I
Speaker 1: think there, I think there's you have to say something
Speaker 1: to that. You have to give him credit for that.
Speaker 1: This goes against the very fiber of the draft because
Speaker 1: the point is that you're always supposed to be preparing
Speaker 1: for two or three years down the line. I just
Speaker 1: as again as somebody who spends all my time around
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I don't even really want to touch tight
Speaker 1: end until Jason Witten's career is over, because I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's a great way to watch a resource.
Speaker 1: If you, if you my opinion, if you gave me
Speaker 1: the opportunity, if you gave me the opportunity to take
Speaker 1: Hurst from South Carolina, you know, hayden Hurst. Yeah, hayden Hurst,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Godert, you know, I'm okay with that. I
Speaker 1: like Fumagali better than JISICKI m give me get Sicky
Speaker 1: all day, a lot better in my opinion. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't want to spend big time resources on a
Speaker 1: tight end right now. Mcgull has my number ten tight end.
Speaker 1: Who who give me the other four? Give me? Give
Speaker 1: me the top four? You got Goddard, Mark Andrews. Hey,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Andrews yet. I'm sorry, Goddard, Hayden Hurst,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, Ian Thomas are my top four five of
Speaker 1: Bekasicky Durham smythe from Notre Dame, Chris Herndon Miami, Tyler Conklin,
Speaker 1: and Dalton Schultz. Top nine. Pretty pretty solid little group, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not bad see that. But there are there's some, there's some,
Speaker 1: there's some depth of this class. It's it's a very
Speaker 1: good class. Yeah, it really is. How about Alabama's safety
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison? Why or why not? I want to go
Speaker 1: for the why not or why I'll tell you why
Speaker 1: not because we know what he is. He's a downhill thumper,
Speaker 1: a guy that loves violence, and heck, I'll love that
Speaker 1: on my team. But I need a safety that I
Speaker 1: can control, I can trust, can control himself to go
Speaker 1: in reverse, it can handle cover responsibilities, and on tape
Speaker 1: you just don't see any consistency in that area from him. Again,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting as a downhill run defender.
Speaker 1: He's outstanding in that area. But this isn't nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: two and today's NFL. My strong safety needs to be
Speaker 1: able to drop a little bit and play in space,
Speaker 1: and that's where there's some inconsistent results. So I don't
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison's not a guy that I would personally take
Speaker 1: in the first round, but you know, at some point
Speaker 1: the second sure, maybe, but not in the first because
Speaker 1: of those coverage limitations. Yeah, but I you know, to me,
Speaker 1: guys six almost six two two hundred and fifteen pounds
Speaker 1: or so, and I think you're right about him. I
Speaker 1: do see a guy with some quick feet. You're right
Speaker 1: about it. I thought it'll overrun some plays. But I
Speaker 1: talked about I saw a guy who was a really
Speaker 1: good blitzer. I saw a guy that was when a
Speaker 1: very good tackler in space. You know, I think, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a say, how many of these safeties
Speaker 1: we oh, he looks good doing this, looks good doing that.
Speaker 1: You know, all these things we talk about, Oh he
Speaker 1: can you know, can he tackle? Yes or no? And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, when he gets in position to tackle,
Speaker 1: he can get his guy to the ground and give
Speaker 1: me that guy, give me the guy that that is,
Speaker 1: you know when when you know, and I've seen him
Speaker 1: playing the slot, you know, I've seen him some things
Speaker 1: in coverage. I think there's some things that you can
Speaker 1: do with this guy. You know, is he Landing Collins? No?
Speaker 1: You know what Landing Collins was a second round player.
Speaker 1: But what landed Collins do better than anybody else? He tackled? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: and Collins came a long way sure in terms of
Speaker 1: the coverage, sure, and the coverage well. The theory I'm
Speaker 1: developing the more I cover the draft is the college
Speaker 1: safety who's really great in coverage. I mean those are
Speaker 1: like the elite guys. You know, you don't see him
Speaker 1: very often. Yeah, but exactly, So if you can get
Speaker 1: me a guy I could cover and tackle if he
Speaker 1: can tackle and at least looks like he's not wearing rollerblades, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in coverage. Adams kind of like that, Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: I never thought of him as a great coverage Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well and if Landon Collins, if any team thought he
Speaker 1: could do it in coverage, he would have went in
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, but he didn't. He fell out
Speaker 1: of the first round because teams were worried he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to hold up in coverage. And kudos to
Speaker 1: him because he got taken in the second round and
Speaker 1: he improved in those areas and now it looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, he should have been a top ten pick
Speaker 1: in that drop. Absolutely. One last one, real quick Auburn
Speaker 1: guard Braden Smith. Why why not? How about the how
Speaker 1: about the why not? How about the why or which
Speaker 1: would you rather have? Go for it? You like this guy?
Speaker 1: I do like and I'm surprised that more people don't
Speaker 1: like him more because I see a guy that has
Speaker 1: position flex guard or tackle as a guard. When he
Speaker 1: watched Auburn a lot of times the running play is
Speaker 1: going behind that right guard where Bradon Smith lined up
Speaker 1: because of his ability to control blocks at the point
Speaker 1: of attack, of her body's strength, and he's not a
Speaker 1: bad athlete, so I think there's enough traits there that
Speaker 1: I can work with um. Now, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: better than Hernandez or Win or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: on day two, if I get if I don't, if
Speaker 1: I miss out on my guard, my Win or Hernandez,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a huge drop off to Smith
Speaker 1: at some point on day two. I think he tends
Speaker 1: to catch as a blocker. I watched him play Georgia
Speaker 1: A and m Clemson an LSU. I think he catches
Speaker 1: as a blocker. I think he is to his feet,
Speaker 1: tend to get all over the place when you watch
Speaker 1: him play. I think he really struggles to sustain. I
Speaker 1: think that when you he doesn't have much upper body power.
Speaker 1: When they go unbalanced, they move him to the tackle spots.
Speaker 1: So when he has to play getst opponents it's strong.
Speaker 1: I think that gives him problems, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: what I say. That's why I mentioned the opponents that
Speaker 1: I watched. Generally, he'll take his man where he wants
Speaker 1: to go. You know this guy, you know, he's he
Speaker 1: can like get the guy wants to go that he'll
Speaker 1: just kind of wall him off and go that way.
Speaker 1: But I think he struggles in space blocking on the screen.
Speaker 1: They use him as a puller. I thought he got
Speaker 1: over extended and I didn't think he had very good
Speaker 1: balance as a pass blocker. So just that's definitely a
Speaker 1: player we don't see eye to eye. We don't. I
Speaker 1: feel like people think y'all agree on everything. The truth
Speaker 1: of the matter is not quite so much. No, but
Speaker 1: that's in a draft room every day. If we all
Speaker 1: agree on these guys, we'd have a terrible draft. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be this. Yeah, the show wouldn't be fun. No,
Speaker 1: one wouldn't care about the draft because we'd all agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well said, that's all the time we got. That's what
Speaker 1: the music means. I like that. Why or why not?
Speaker 1: I am out on Monday, So yeah, you'll find some
Speaker 1: such dud for you to find somebody to come in it.
Speaker 1: We'll get Kevin Turner to come back in and visit
Speaker 1: me more. Draft Jeopardy More Draft, Jeffardy, all right for
Speaker 1: my scouts, Dave Burglar, David Hellman, Executive producer Kent Garrison.
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Bross. We'll see you Monday, ten am for
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