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Speaker 1: at the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Selectazikiel Elliott and

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Speaker 1: now your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's another day here at the Draft Show. Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us Dane Burglar, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. We

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Speaker 1: welcome everybody here as we work our way to the

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen NFL Draft. A big announcement from the Cowboys today.

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Speaker 1: Charlotte Jones Anderson at the facility, actually at the at

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Speaker 1: eight T and T Stadium talking about things the ambassadors

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Speaker 1: for the draft with DeMarcus Ware Andrew Pearson. So nice

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Speaker 1: to hear some news with the draft being in our

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Speaker 1: a stadium. I'm really I'm excited. I'm yeah, I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see, you know, and the way that can the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys do things, you know, with game productions and things

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Speaker 1: like that. I'm very interested to see what kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a league it's a league deal. It's

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Speaker 1: a league event. But you know, the Cowboys will have

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Speaker 1: a little have a little saying like, hey, once you

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Speaker 1: try this, once you try that, and hopefully everybody but

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Speaker 1: should be a good three days in the area. A spectacle.

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Speaker 1: It will be a spectacle. We'll be here, We'll be

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Speaker 1: in this little room for three days. Say it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna look a whole lot different. Yah, we'll hunker down. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll go through all the picks with you, as we'll

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Speaker 1: always do picks one through a two fifty two or

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Speaker 1: this because I think it's important. The Combine list came

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Speaker 1: out yesterday, Dane Burglar, and I'm always interested about the

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Speaker 1: guys that, uh, you know, of course, you know you're

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get What was the total number of guys

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Speaker 1: that we got for the combine this year to twenty

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Speaker 1: or three twenty six, three twenty six, And give me

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Speaker 1: the number of the guys that that that don't go

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Speaker 1: and get drafted. What was that number? Over the last

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Speaker 1: five years, the averages thirty five players about thirty five

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Speaker 1: players get drafted every year that aren't good and then

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Speaker 1: they're one hundred and ten players that go get drafted.

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Speaker 1: Let me focus on the guys that are gonna go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll focus on those guys. Wow, you know, because it's

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Speaker 1: a third of the guys that are going to be there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they this nfs Uh, they'd say their goal is

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Speaker 1: to invite everybody who's going to be drafted that's there. Yeah. Uh?

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Speaker 1: Are they are they living up to that goal? The

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Speaker 1: the guy that they're that they're going the right way

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Speaker 1: about that with you know, it's gonna happen where a

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Speaker 1: few players are gonna slip through the crack. Sure, thirty

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Speaker 1: five every year. That's a little too many. And I

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Speaker 1: get it. Look, they're thirty two teams drafted here thirty

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Speaker 1: two you know, different schemes, different philosophies, different understandings of

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Speaker 1: gonna be different opinions. But to miss a thirty five guy,

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Speaker 1: But for some of these snubs, they're just not three

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Speaker 1: more exciting though, right you know. I was going through

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Speaker 1: bummy rut Timmy from Old Dominion. Okay, young man's going

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Speaker 1: to combine. I watched him on tape today. He is

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Speaker 1: not a better player than Punaford, who is the top snublish. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nosolutely agree with that. You've got eight No, screw that

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Speaker 1: And trust me, I've been going to the thing since

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Combine has now become like must

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Speaker 1: think that's hurt um some of these seniors. Is all

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Speaker 1: the underclassmen coming out, right, because that's in the way

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Speaker 1: the Combine does it is they send out the invites

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Speaker 1: We mentioned Punaford. Yeah, he's a good player that should

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Speaker 1: Bradley Bozeman, the center from Alabama had a good week.

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Speaker 1: Had now he wasn't bad. No, he had a good week.

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Speaker 1: opportunity to go. I agree, I'll see him at Pro Day.

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Speaker 1: you decide that? Just two minutes ago? Just right now,

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Speaker 1: just right now, there's gonna be fifteen guys out there,

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Speaker 1: How about a few safety that didn't have to invite? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Treyvon Henderson Hawaii. We talked about him at the Senior Bowl, Darling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Reeves South Alabama. See, now there's another guy that

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Speaker 1: you know. You watched the South Alabama tape, and that's

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Speaker 1: he's a good football player. I mean, I'm watching him.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what I said. I mean, I'm trying to.

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Speaker 1: At one time in my life, I used to be

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Speaker 1: can't remember everything about him. Here, let's see, where's my man.

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Speaker 1: He's a draftable player. Yeah, I don't think he's a

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Speaker 1: Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, K Garrison Executive producing.

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Speaker 1: This is one of my I always say this, this

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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite parts of the show. I

435
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Speaker 1: love the back and forth when we get into players

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Speaker 1: tell me more after the combine. It's one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite because it again you talk about guys. But I

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Speaker 1: do like the interaction that we do have with the

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Speaker 1: fans on Twitter, and I do want to say the

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Speaker 1: people that are falling along on Periscope Live. I just

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Speaker 1: said thank you for doing that as well. That is

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Speaker 1: such a new and different medium. Yeah. Now I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of watching the comments and stuff like that, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people are ripping you Helme, and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I'll let them do that happens now. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: It's really not they probably I love Dane, they hate me,

447
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But no, everybody loves Dane. Most

448
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Speaker 1: people like you. The least amount of people like me

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Speaker 1: about that. But no, we do appreciate everybody out there

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Speaker 1: that that follows along this way and the people that

451
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Speaker 1: go back and watch. Hey, if you're working out, you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll provide you an hour worth of content when you're

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Speaker 1: on the treadmill out running around whatever you want to do, walking, lifting, whatever.

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Speaker 1: But we do appreciate that. All right, David, I will

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Speaker 1: give you the platform for a little twitter on the Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Go for it, sir. Really relevant question from Kai in

457
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Speaker 1: light of what we were talking about right before the

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Speaker 1: last break. He says numbers are important, but which player

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Speaker 1: will have the most important interviews at the Combine this year?

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Speaker 1: And that maybe I'm just not that god our fans

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Speaker 1: with thinking I'm not thinking deep enough, because there's not

462
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Speaker 1: there's not a guy that jumps out to me other

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Speaker 1: than Baker Mayfield. There's not a guy that jumps out

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Speaker 1: to me. Is like kind of like, well, Rosen, I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rosen has got to prove to people that he is

466
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Speaker 1: not the guy that everybody thinks he is. Yeah, which

467
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Speaker 1: is like the smarmie. Yeah, I've said. He when he's

468
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Speaker 1: in a conversation, he thinks he's the smartest one in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Girls if who was talking to That's just

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Speaker 1: how he is. And he can't get away with that

471
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Speaker 1: at Combine interviews, right, there's no chance. And so he

472
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Speaker 1: better check himself at the door, learn some humility and

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Speaker 1: even if it's an act, even if he knows like

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Speaker 1: that's he's just gonna revert back to whoever he is, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, down the line, and once he gets drafted,

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Speaker 1: at least put that on the shelf for now, and

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Speaker 1: you know, show a little bit of humbleness. And I'm

478
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Speaker 1: not sure he's able to do that. It's just not

479
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Speaker 1: in his DNA, not in his makeup. But it's really

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Speaker 1: important for a lot of these teams that they see

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Speaker 1: that from him when they interview him. Yeah, I totally agree. See,

482
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are always the fascinating group because you want

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Speaker 1: him a little you want him a little cocky. I

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Speaker 1: want them with a little Edgar Rodgers isn't a very

485
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Speaker 1: humbled person. Yeah, but you, but you, But you better

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Speaker 1: figure things out real fast to them because there's a

487
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Speaker 1: lot of people, there's a lot of general managers that

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Speaker 1: maybe guys that haven't gone on the road, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe they've had to stay with their teams and worry

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Speaker 1: about their teams, and they haven't had a chance to

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Speaker 1: go to the schools and talk to these guys about

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Speaker 1: these players. This will be the first opportunity that they

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Speaker 1: have to to see him, maybe maybe a head coach.

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Speaker 1: He'll be his first opportunity as well to kind of

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Speaker 1: talk to him. What about I mean, is there and

496
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Speaker 1: well is there? Like we got any gun runners in

497
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Speaker 1: this draft? I mean Joe Mixon famously wasn't invited to

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Speaker 1: the Combine. I'm struggling to think. I wrote a story.

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Speaker 1: That's that story I wrote about I felt bad for

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Speaker 1: all my buddies. That's the one time in my life

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Speaker 1: I felt out about being the Combine and being a

502
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Speaker 1: media guy because I felt like me being there did

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Speaker 1: not allow them to talk to Joe Mixon. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember, I remember you writing that that was that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the media's fault. Yeah, the media's fault because I talked

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Speaker 1: to several guys that said, hey, listen, if you guys

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Speaker 1: weren't here, Joe Mixon would be here. And I felt

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Speaker 1: bad for that. I felt like I felt like that

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Speaker 1: those guys. And I'll tell you I talked to John Dorsey,

510
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Speaker 1: John Snyder, those guys, you know, they were like they

511
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Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to the Kid's a dumb rule.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrible it's a terrible rule. We said it

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Speaker 1: last year when they announced it, and it's still this

514
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Speaker 1: terrible rule. And yeah, I don't Yeah, this year, I

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Speaker 1: don't think we have any of those guys, at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mixon level guys. But arden Key, you know

517
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Speaker 1: arden Key. Yeah, he's got a lot of a lot

518
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Speaker 1: of things to answer for, just with the durability with

519
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Speaker 1: you know, how much does he love football, how important

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Speaker 1: is it for him to reach his ceiling as an

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Speaker 1: NFL player. There's a lot going on with him. I

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Speaker 1: think Mike Hughes, another possible Top twenty player, could be

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Speaker 1: in the mixing teen who knows. He started his career

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Speaker 1: at North Carolina and he was kicked out because he

525
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Speaker 1: got into a fight at three am at a fraternity party.

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Speaker 1: Had been there, knocked a guy out. Clean you you

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Speaker 1: were the guy knocked out, of course, Yeah, no, I

528
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Speaker 1: wouldn't let him knock you out. Oh thanks, Brian. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of these guys that have something to answer for,

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Speaker 1: and even if it's just you know, kind of their

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Speaker 1: journey where they came from. A guy like Ian Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who great, We talked about him. Yeah, that's one of

533
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Speaker 1: our guys for that. We did died in from Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. Yes, yeah yeah on future, yeah,

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Speaker 1: on the clock stuff. One of my favorite players in

536
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Speaker 1: this draft, a Cowboys third round Yeah, sign me up.

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Speaker 1: But he's kind of a late bloomer coming up through Baltimore.

538
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Speaker 1: Not in the greatest situation. Both his parents died early

539
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Speaker 1: at a young age, and so he him and his

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Speaker 1: siblings he had like nine siblings, he has he had

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Speaker 1: the maneuver through that. So just hearing it from the

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Speaker 1: kid and you know, talking about his life experience, their

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Speaker 1: perspective on things, and then of course just the football intelligence,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's these combine interviews are quick and so

545
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Speaker 1: it's there's only so much to gather, but still you

546
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Speaker 1: can talk about concepts, talk about different schemes, what they're

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Speaker 1: It's the first impression, right, It's the first impression. It's

548
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Speaker 1: the first time you get and then if you really

549
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Speaker 1: like the kid, you'll bring him back for one of

550
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Speaker 1: your thirties. Right, And the first question you'll ask is

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Speaker 1: what was the first thing? I remember that thing I

552
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Speaker 1: asked you back at the combine. Yeah, what was the

553
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Speaker 1: answer to that? Yeah, exactly, better have the answer. You're

554
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: a GM. Seriously, why are you sitting here with me?

555
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: We talked about combine snubs. And then there's the category

556
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Speaker 1: of the forgotten guy who does get a combine invite,

557
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Speaker 1: which Connor wants to know about Wisconsin linebacker Jack Dane.

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Speaker 1: Help me with the name Cishi City City? Who was

559
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Speaker 1: he did get a combine invite? Yeah, he's injured in

560
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Speaker 1: August or September, I believe, Yeah City, right, And there

561
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Speaker 1: are a lot of names we're having to do with. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jack City, Like, she's kind of the he's a kind

563
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Speaker 1: of the forgotten guy in this drift because he Yeah,

564
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Speaker 1: towards a cl in August. He had a peck injury

565
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Speaker 1: last year that kind of bothered him. But when he's

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Speaker 1: healthy and on the field, he's outstanding. Uh, like a

567
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Speaker 1: fluid athlete, moves really well. Uh. Yeah, we both really

568
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Speaker 1: like to bite Byu or linebacker Fred Warner. She's like

569
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Speaker 1: a bigger, better version of that. But the durability is

570
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Speaker 1: what you worry about. Yeah, is a guy that has

571
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Speaker 1: not been able to stay healthy, hasn't been able to

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Speaker 1: stay on the field, and typical Wisconsin former walk on. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how they find these walk ons. Uh,

574
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Speaker 1: but you know he's a Wisconsin kid who just went

575
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Speaker 1: overlooked late bloomer the way he developed. But he I

576
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Speaker 1: think he's a big time player. The biggest thing is

577
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Speaker 1: just injuries kid from BYU. Yeah, awesome, Well, and let

578
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Speaker 1: me know what you think. That's what I need to do.

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Speaker 1: You're right, give me the opportunity at the segue because

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Speaker 1: Payson wants to know who's a better fit for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Fred Warner or Darius Leonard South Carolina State, and Warner's

582
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: coming to us from jog my memory. I like Leonard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I like yeah, I do. And uh, you

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Speaker 1: know it's interesting that. Yeah, I'm not a question God darn,

585
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Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm not talking about just purely

586
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Speaker 1: as a prospect you're talking about for the Cowboys. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm gonna go back again. I think Fred

588
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Speaker 1: Warner's a linebacker that all thirty two teams are gonna like. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's not scheme specific, right, He's a guy that has

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Speaker 1: the type of skills that no matter what formation you're running,

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Speaker 1: what sub package, he's a guy that fits in some

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Speaker 1: form or fashion with his ability to hold up uh

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Speaker 1: and run support, his ability and coverage, the overall range

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Speaker 1: he has on the field. Yeah. I'm a big Fred

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Speaker 1: Warner fan too, So I give me Warner. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a better player. You know what though, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I don't just agree with anything you're saying about Warner,

598
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Speaker 1: but I'm looking at my Leonard notes and I and

599
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Speaker 1: I this is a guy that can flow to the ball,

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Speaker 1: and you see that with Warner two. I mean you

601
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Speaker 1: talk about quick read, flow, sideline the sideline or hurry

602
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Speaker 1: you know, just how to go for turnovers, gets off blocks,

603
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: plays with his hands, runs through tackles. You know, I

604
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: think that the only thing I saw. But he has

605
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Speaker 1: to be a little careful about breaking down in space.

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing I saw. But other than that, man,

607
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: the guy's got ball skills, reads, reacts, outstanding plain speed.

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Speaker 1: But I think Warner is a little bit bigger guy

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Speaker 1: on tape where Leonard is a thinner guy. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: know one, yeah, six two, two twenty nine. Warner looked

611
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Speaker 1: like that. I think he was two thirty five at

612
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Speaker 1: the at the senior ball, where Leonard was two twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: But these cats get to the ball. It's South Carolina State.

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Speaker 1: They've been pumping out some defensive guys. Yeah, Javon Hargrave,

615
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: they sure have. He won the MEAC Defensive Player Year

616
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Speaker 1: his junior and senior seasons. He went to the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Darius Leonard steps in. He won the defensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year in the MEAD South Junior South Carolina State.

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Speaker 1: They've been pumping out some dudes and Leonard, where do

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Speaker 1: you think he ends? If you think he's a third rounder,

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Speaker 1: fourth rounder? I got him in the only just I

622
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Speaker 1: don't have to guess. I mean, if I could pull

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Speaker 1: my notes up here again, I to me. Warner is

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Speaker 1: a Warner. I thought I had him in the I

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Speaker 1: had him in the third. Yeah, I agree, And I

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Speaker 1: think I had Leonard in the fourth. Is how I

627
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Speaker 1: did it? Yeah, that's that's right around the range. If

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Speaker 1: you guys keep visiting, I will tell you exactly. I

629
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Speaker 1: can't believe I didn't pull up my poor damn notes. No,

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Speaker 1: my board, your board, my board. I need my board

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Speaker 1: to come up here is what I need. I have

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Speaker 1: a two three on Warner, he's my number five linebacker.

633
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I don't disagree with you there, Leonard.

634
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: I have it in the fourth right behind your boy

635
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Shakim m Jaquim Griffin. You guys are gonna be right

636
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: about Shaquim. No, you're gonna be right. I want to know.

637
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: I want him to I want him to be great.

638
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: And you know, and you know Cabanat, we had this

639
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: discussion in the Kavanaugh Jeff Kavanaugh from Winder five three,

640
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner, you know those guys. They you know, I'm

641
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: always from the school of if you know three guys

642
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: out of four telling me this is what it is,

643
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'll fight you all day. But when I

644
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: got three guys that I trust telling me broadus think

645
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: about it this way. You're saying that you would take

646
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: them in a second and work. Oh yeah, I'm cheerleading.

647
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: I got the palm palms. I'm waving them. You know,

648
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm jumping up and down. And you guys are saying,

649
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: whoa broadest tappitt y'all are trying to take me into

650
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: a ditch right here, and I'm not gonna lay no.

651
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: I got Actually, I got Warner. I got Warner in

652
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: the second round, and I got Leonard in the third.

653
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: That's how I got it. I'm going to attribute this

654
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: question to Jay, but really, we've got a small army

655
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: of people asking us about these two guys, like I mean,

656
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: dozens of people want to know why aren't we talking

657
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: more about Tavin Bryan and Tim Settle. I watched Tim

658
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Settle yesterday. These are defensive tackles, both of them. Big boy.

659
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: Bryan's from Brian's from Florida, Settles from Virginia. There's people

660
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: that think I've I've got Brian. People tell me Bryant

661
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: should be a consideration at nineteen. I don't. There's no

662
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: way I would take him at nineteen. But I will

663
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: tell you this though, there's people I like out there

664
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: that that look at this stuff, you know, and they

665
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: bring up the sack numbers. You know, for Brian the

666
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: four sacks. Well, that's the reasons. That's not bad for

667
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: a tackle. That's what I'm saying for a defensive tackle

668
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: where his strength is to get into the backfield because

669
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: he's no I understand he is struggles big time versus

670
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: the run. Watch you watch the SEC offenses. They'll run

671
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: right at him because they know exactly what he's gonna

672
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: do and he has no gap discipline and teams are

673
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: able to run at him. His strength is as a

674
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: past rusher, his ability to his quickness off the ball

675
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: at tack gaps, us his upper body power, he can

676
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: snatch blockers move them. There's a lot to like from

677
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: a trades perspective. He's now standing athlete, but you know,

678
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: again trades over production. But six tackles for lost last year.

679
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: I need a guy that knows what he's doing. Oh yeah,

680
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: that's yeah, you're right. I mean I do think he

681
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: can get better. I do think that there's upside there.

682
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm just not drafting a guy that I hope reaches

683
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: his upside at least that big of a gap at

684
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: number nineteen, I would take him in a second round.

685
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: What about Settle? What do you think is he's I

686
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: was just a big guy who know That's what I'm saying,

687
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: and I'll I'll do settle for you. I mean I

688
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: pushed some mill the pocket plays with some power of

689
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: some quick inside moves, disruptive when he comes off the ball, balance,

690
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: doesn't go to the ground when they try and cut him.

691
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Tries to bend, but not always successful. Needs to finish

692
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: the rush. That's where I saw a lot of like

693
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: he was always close, yeah, and never really finished the rush.

694
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: I thought there were times where he was lazy rushing

695
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: too absolutely where like his conditioning at three hundred and

696
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds was problematic for him. And it seems

697
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: like most of it's up here. Yeah, he's got a lord,

698
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: he's gotta like a funny built body. He's like a

699
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: potato with straw stuck in him. He's got this big man.

700
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, think about always have the best and now

701
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: we'll think about the visual of that. Yeah, take a potato.

702
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: Potato kind of looks it sticks straws in it, and

703
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: that's how he looks. He's like vitaa if Vita Vero

704
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: couldn't bend or you know, play lego and drop his hips,

705
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he's just he's a big guy, but

706
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: he's just he's kind of a one gapper, you know,

707
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: like he can't two gap. He doesn't anchor. And if

708
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: you're that size, kind of know your role, you know.

709
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of good one techniques in this drafts.

710
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: He's like a one technique who wants to be a

711
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: three techno. Yeah, the way he plays via Payne Phillips,

712
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's kind of I mean, there's

713
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: guys ahead of him. If you're gonna draft a one technique,

714
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking those guys over. I am taking him with grade.

715
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: You slap on him. I put him in the fourth. Yeah,

716
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: that's I have a fourth on him too. Yeah, all right.

717
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: But just I was people were kept telling me, look

718
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: at the sky Bross. I did, and I and and

719
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: I saw him kind of lazily make plays, you know,

720
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: kind of lazily rush. And I'm thinking he needs to

721
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: get in better condition. If he gets it better, because

722
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: he does have some traits. But if he comes to

723
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: the combine at three twenty, do anything for you, I'd

724
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: be happy for him more of a more of a

725
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: red flag for me, because just getting into the shape

726
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: for this, yeah, why yeah, why do you play You're

727
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: playing strength? Was this and you know you're just gonna

728
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: revert back to it and so yeah, it's I know

729
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: this is a this is a trap that we advise

730
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: fans not to fall into. But it's getting to the

731
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: point where I'm terrified of these Florida defensive linemen. Just

732
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: talking about Bryan just a second. No, I'm and that's

733
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: why I said it. I'm just I need one of

734
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: these guys to actually do something in the league. And

735
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: Brian's interesting because he's he's a Wyoming kid, first Wyoming

736
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: kid ever to go to Florida. You know, there's a

737
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: lot of traits there, a lot to work with. Just

738
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: there's some things to worry about, for sure. Fimy wants

739
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: to know. And I feel like there's a veiled Byron

740
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: Jones shout out in this question because he says, who's

741
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: a guy we are not talking about right now who

742
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: could vault into the first round conversation here in the

743
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: kind I mean, you know, I would that's post Combine

744
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: more than likely, which the first, I mean Byron Jones

745
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: is a great example about your guy. Alexander full name Brian.

746
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: Come on, Jerry, Alexander school Brian. I mean, he's top

747
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: twenty on my board, so I'm gonna let him talk

748
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: about him, you know. I to me, he's already a

749
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: first round so that okay. He's top twenty on my

750
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: draft board, so it's not a It wouldn't be a

751
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: surprise to me. I think he's absolutely deserving a first

752
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: round consideration. It's just he's a little undersized. He missed

753
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: most this year with injury that could keep him out.

754
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: I got a name for you. Yeah, Louisville's to school,

755
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: by the way, I just wanted to day interrupt him. Yeah,

756
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: it's Believille. Uh what if I told you I'm from

757
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: the future, I'm from May First, I come back and

758
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: I tell you guess what you know? Won't believe he

759
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: went in the first round. DJ Chark, Oh okay, Jeff Kavanaugh, No,

760
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh will fuller at this time two three years ago?

761
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, I'm miss say, guys that can take

762
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: the top off in the defense. Literally, did you do

763
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: trust to tape podcast yesterday? Yeah? Okay, did you have

764
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: that discussion. I didn't listen to that yesterday's discussion. Three

765
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: nights ago, we watched Chark with with v hows you

766
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: guys were hammering, no, no, no, no. Kavanaugh just quietly goes,

767
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: I just I'm not saying he is. But I don't

768
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: think it's impossible that DJ Chark's the best receiver in

769
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: this class when it's all same. I think that's nuts.

770
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you, but at least for acknowledging that

771
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I think he's a third round player. But I'm saying,

772
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: we're just looking at all right back to the question

773
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: and what the NFL values speed at the receiver position,

774
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: the ability about some consistency. How about the fact that

775
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of teams that are gonna say,

776
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: look at that offense he was in, get that call

777
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: that quarterback, the same thing. They're going to make excuses

778
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: up and down for him downfield, opportunity to watch, you know,

779
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: watch every play he's will Fuller had more drops than

780
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: any of the first three rounds that year. But but

781
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: are we okay with will Fuller Texas? No, that doesn't matter.

782
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: He still went, I know what you're saying. I know what.

783
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: He was the second receiver drafted that year, just ahead

784
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: of Dockson Or and Treadwell Michael Thomas. If if dj

785
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: Chart goes to the combine and oh he will he will, Well,

786
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: it depends what if he runs a four three eight,

787
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you expect. If he

788
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: runs in the low four threes, that's that's kind of

789
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: number that can move the needles a little. I mean

790
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: he's six three and can move so, like I hear

791
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: what Dayton's saying, I just think it would be a mistake.

792
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, it would be a mistake. He

793
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: is not a first round player, but if we were

794
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: looking for a name that could surprise Hey and one

795
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: of his teammates as well, Dante Jackson Jackson the corner,

796
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of mistakes, I oh, mistakes first round in the

797
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: first round, the first round? Yes, yes again, Why what

798
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: is he going to run the camp? He might run

799
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: get the four twos at the combine. Guys that can

800
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: run that fast, had that type of speed. He's tye

801
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: of the most undisciplined players. Where where was where was

802
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Trey White? Drafted twenty seven something like that? Yeah, his

803
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: tape is like light years better than Oh yeah, absolutely

804
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: that if you're drafting him, it's because, like I hope,

805
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: it's because you want to kick returner, punt returner and not.

806
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's a bad player. Dante Jackson. Yeah,

807
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: it's not a first round player. He's not a first

808
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: round player. Um, where do why I have him slotted?

809
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I think I have a who Jackson? Dante Jackson Jackson,

810
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: I have a two three on him, So I agree

811
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: because he's not he doesn't have first round tape. But again,

812
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: he's might vote for the fastest four we at the combine.

813
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: And it's not just straight line speed with like DJ

814
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Sharks more straight line speed. Jackson I think is gonna

815
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: kill it in the three cone and all the agility drills.

816
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: And he's not a big guy. He's probably two I

817
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: think more like five ten and a half probably closer

818
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: that he's If he breaks one eighty, that's good for him.

819
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: He might not freakish athlete who like more often than

820
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: not as a good player, who once or twice every

821
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: game or two is going to do something so undisciplined, ridiculous.

822
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's the he's the tackle, his safety guy.

823
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: He's like that. Oh god, that ten yard game turned

824
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: into sixty yards because Dante tackled the safety. The defensive

825
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: holding on the other side of the field. That will

826
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: wiped out a sack by arden Key. You know how

827
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: many coaches are in the NFL. Let's say, oh no,

828
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: I'll coach it out of him. Will instill some discipline

829
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: in this. Those coaches are looking for jobs. How about that?

830
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Two happens every year. I'm to LSU grads sitting here

831
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: just arguing why their players are not. We're hard on

832
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: those kids. We're hard on I'm I'm hard. I'll say

833
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: this though, Okay him. Did you like Hill from Texas? Yeah?

834
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Like him a lot, just he's he can't hip him

835
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: off the field and Holton Hill Hill, I like his

836
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: tape a lot. Actually, okay, I don't know what the

837
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: off field? Yeah, okay, just tell me who the better

838
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: player is on tape? Like the tape? Yeah, Holton Hill

839
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: or or Jackson? If Holton Hill, yeah, if I have have

840
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: to win a game right now, it's Holton Hill. He's

841
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,959
Speaker 1: a better player, yeah for sure. But Jackson is better

842
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: physical and athletic trade so could hold Holton Hill is

843
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: not going to go in the first round because of

844
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,160
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845
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,640
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's he just needs to stay cleaning Texas.

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Speaker 1: By the way, folks, Dante Jackson is drafted before Tradavious

848
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Speaker 1: Com Draft show Cowboys on the Clock. Back here with

895
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: the Draft Show from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Again, Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Kit Garrison. That could

897
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Speaker 1: be producing as always, Dab. We've got about fifteen minutes left, sir,

898
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: so let's play a little why or why not. Yeah.

899
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where we go with this because

900
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: at least a few of these guys are are hot

901
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: topic players, right, It's particularly among the Cowboys. So basically,

902
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: you know one he all is going to present the

903
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: argument for why and the other why not right kind

904
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: of Yeah, we'll pack and judge Judy on here. All right,

905
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: let's start off with h Like I said, a hot topic,

906
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: guy Tremaine Edmonds, the Virginia Tech linebacker. A lot of

907
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: talk about him as a pick at nineteen. Why or

908
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: why not? You wont the flip? Go ahead? You tell

909
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: me why we need it, why we should draft him,

910
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. You'll tell you what. This

911
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: guy could play all three positions for you. I love

912
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: the fact he's six to four, he's two hundred and

913
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: forty five pounds. Love the physical nature of him. I think,

914
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of things that you can

915
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: do with this guy. I think you could play him

916
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: in coverage. I think he can carry receivers for you.

917
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: I think he can finish in space. For a tall guy,

918
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: he gets in the cracks. I mean, if you blitz

919
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: him and stuff like that, He's got a feel for

920
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: how to get to the football. You can use him

921
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: as a blitzer. I you know, I think he's a

922
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: nice joban blitz hims creating pressure with him. I think

923
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you can do with

924
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: this guy scheme wise, Like how he fights through the trash,

925
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: gets through the ball, like how he finishes, physical guy, toughness,

926
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: all those things. I would welcome that guy in a heartbeat.

927
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: For a team that needs linebackers, I would welcome him too,

928
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: for the right value. I think we've kind of been

929
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: conditioned to think that he's just this top ten player,

930
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: one of the top ten players in this draft. He

931
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's just been kind of accepted

932
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: now at this point, and I think that's crazy. He's

933
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: a good player, Don't get me wrong. I think everything

934
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: you said is right. But why I think there's we

935
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: could pull holes in him. Yeah, he has the size

936
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: and the ability, but he has the length. He has

937
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: no idea how to use that length. Is a take

938
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: on skills. A lot of issues there from a mental standpoint.

939
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: His eye discipline, the way he breaks down what he sees.

940
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: It's up and down, it runs hot and cold. He

941
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: falls asleep at times in coverage you like. And he's

942
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: a young guy. I mean, I think that is a

943
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: part of it too. People see a young guy, they think, oh,

944
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, stole us plenty of room before

945
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: he hits his football ceiling. That's a big that's a projection,

946
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: and you're talking about top ten pick. So I think

947
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: he's a good player. I went with you there, but

948
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that he is this no doubt about it,

949
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: top ten, top twelve player in this draft. Like a

950
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: lot of people seem to think if he's a no

951
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: doubt about a top ten, top twelve player or if

952
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: he's not, I mean, maybe that means he's a top

953
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: nineteen player. Though I would say he's a top nineteen player. Yeah,

954
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: but traits are great. Yeah, there's a lot of I

955
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of other questions though. Another darling

956
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys draft Twitter Blogga Sphere not so much

957
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: in the first round, but just in general, Notre Dame

958
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver Equanimious Saint Brown, Why are we not very

959
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: good athlete? This is a guy who kind of grew

960
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: up being molded for this. His dad was a two

961
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: time All Universe Olympia or bodybuilder whatever. Very good athlete,

962
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: very well conditioned. I think as a sophomore with a

963
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: capable passing game with Deshauan Kaiser, you saw what Saint

964
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: Brown could be. Had almost a thousand yards ten touchdowns

965
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: this past year with Brandon Wimbush just his production fell

966
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: off a cliff because they had no passing game. But

967
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: this is a guy who can threaten every level of

968
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: the defense. He can help you out short, intermediate, long.

969
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: Once he hones his routes, which I think he'll do,

970
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: it'll come in time. If we're gonna find if we're

971
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: gonna pick a Juju Smith Schuster in this draft. You know,

972
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: a guy that kind of gets overlooked goes second third round.

973
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a quominious Saint Brown. It's not like

974
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: you liked him there, an't you. Yeah, good for you.

975
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'll agree with him about the quarterback stuff.

976
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'll agree with him about the quarterback the

977
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: play there. I just didn't really see a guy that

978
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: that made enough big plays, you know. I mean, even

979
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: if your quarterback's bad, make some plays for him. Yeah,

980
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: And I didn't. I didn't see that. And that that's

981
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: the problem I have it again, if you know, if

982
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: you know when you're talking about Juju Smith and those guys, Yeah,

983
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: he had a good quarterback throwing him the football. But

984
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: the guys that the guys that stand out for me,

985
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: And you're right about the trades and the talent, But

986
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: I didn't see a guy that always helped his quarterback

987
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: out either, you know. But I that's the problem I

988
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: had with him. I think a lot of people blame

989
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback play or the lack of it, that oh,

990
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: that's why he didn't. But there's some times when you

991
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: watch him play where he is not the most consistent

992
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: catching the football, And so I would think, where did

993
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: you have him on your on your board? Second third?

994
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: He was like a fourth round guy to me. He

995
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: didn't make my top fifty. Yeah, but close. I don't know.

996
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was close, but he would

997
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: have had a shot him if I did my top

998
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: seventy five. Yeah, I definitely would have been my top

999
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: one hundred. I kind of feel like though that Again,

1000
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: I think that the people give him the crutch of

1001
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: the bad quarterback play, and I'd like to see him,

1002
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, and he might turn out to be a

1003
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: fine receiver when it's all said and done. But I

1004
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: just didn't see him always helping this guy out either,

1005
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: as Matt end as somebody who covers the Cowboys and

1006
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time around the Cowboys. The phrase

1007
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: Dane lost the argument as soon as he said, once

1008
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: he hones his routes, I don't need that in my life. Yeah, yeah,

1009
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: I need the guy that's already got the perfect route tree,

1010
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: or at least to the very good one. And that's

1011
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: fair for most teams. And I think it just yeah,

1012
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: you have to look at the player and kind of

1013
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: figure out can he do it? Will he get better

1014
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: as a route runner, because not every you know, Terrence

1015
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: Williams and every guy is going to get better as

1016
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: a route runner, and you have to try to identify

1017
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: that before you draft him. But I think with this guy,

1018
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I think with sint Brown, I think he will. I

1019
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: do think that all the talent and the technical understanding

1020
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: is there, just needs to apply it. Tight end or

1021
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: excuse me, Wisconsin tight end, Brian, you always write the

1022
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: position before the school address drives me crazy. Wisconsin tight

1023
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: end Troy Fumagali Senior Bowl guy. Yeah him, Yeah, I'll

1024
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: take him layers okay. With Troy Fumagalley, you know, and

1025
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: I think that you know, we're gonna get into a

1026
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: group of tight ends here that are a lot better

1027
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: route runners, catchers, downfield players than we are going to

1028
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: get blockers. You know, with the exception, maybe Ian Thomas

1029
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: from Indiana. As an inline guy. I think that this

1030
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: group and Fumgalley, in my opinion, is kind of one

1031
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: of those guys that you get this guy a running start,

1032
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, as an age or move guy. Don't match

1033
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: him to play in line, but move him around a

1034
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: little bit. This guy will secure his block, he'll get

1035
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: into his guy, he'll get some space, He'll he'll find

1036
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: a way to turn on a guy. I kind of

1037
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: I kind of understand who he is. He's a push

1038
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: shove guy, but he'll wall off seal. I don't see

1039
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: his guy getting to the play a lot. I really

1040
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: really don't, you know. I watch him play and so

1041
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I think he has to be

1042
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: on the move more than he has to be in line.

1043
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: I think he's a red zone weapon. I really really do.

1044
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy too. With the way the

1045
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: Cowboys play with all the underneath routes and stuff like that,

1046
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: with their tight end, this guy knows how to go

1047
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: from one spot to the other, get across the field,

1048
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: get open. You can watch Wisconsin's offense. They do that

1049
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: a bunch. The boots, the waggles, the things like that

1050
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: this guy, they throw it to him, he's in position

1051
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: to catch it. He can adjust low, he can adjust high.

1052
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem at all with Troy Fumagali.

1053
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: I really really don't, because I think in a group,

1054
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: if you're looking for that middle, if you don't want

1055
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: to take one of those tight ends high, I think

1056
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: maybe third fourth round type of a guy. Though they

1057
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: can give you something as a move blocker, but also

1058
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: the hands, the security catching the football. A lot of

1059
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: positive things about that. Sounds like you're describing a guy

1060
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: you think could be a starter. I don't have a

1061
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: problem with him. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I see

1062
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: too many physical limitations personally. I he's he realizes more

1063
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: on his routes to get open than any type of

1064
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: burst or quickness. Speed is average at best lineing. NFL

1065
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: linebackers are going to stick to him up and down

1066
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: the field as a blocker. I think he's just gonna

1067
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: get overwhelmed. He saw it sometimes in Big ten play,

1068
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: and I think NFL linebackers, defensive lineman it's they're not

1069
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: going to have much trouble overwhelming him. So I like

1070
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: Fumigali as a guy in somewhere on day three. But

1071
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: again I just because he deserves credit. He the way

1072
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: he developed and kind of came up through that system

1073
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. They kind of groomed him to be that

1074
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: complete tight end, very reliable hands, even though he only

1075
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: has what nine fingers. But Fumigali is a guy that

1076
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: I just I see too many physical limitations. I agree

1077
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: with you to a point. Maybe in the red zone

1078
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: as a you know, a second tight end, maybe come

1079
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: in and help you there. But there are eight nine

1080
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: better tight ends in this drafts. He's open a lot

1081
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: more than he's covered. If you watch the tape, yeah

1082
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: he watched You watched the all the balls that are

1083
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: thrown to him. Yeah, But that's what I'm saying, get

1084
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: you know Ken when he gets he's one of those

1085
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: guys that knows how to get open. You know. I

1086
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: think there, I think there's you have to say something

1087
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: to that. You have to give him credit for that.

1088
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: This goes against the very fiber of the draft because

1089
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: the point is that you're always supposed to be preparing

1090
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: for two or three years down the line. I just

1091
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: as again as somebody who spends all my time around

1092
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I don't even really want to touch tight

1093
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: end until Jason Witten's career is over, because I just

1094
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: feel like it's a great way to watch a resource.

1095
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: If you, if you my opinion, if you gave me

1096
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 1: the opportunity, if you gave me the opportunity to take

1097
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: Hurst from South Carolina, you know, hayden Hurst. Yeah, hayden Hurst,

1098
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Godert, you know, I'm okay with that. I

1099
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: like Fumagali better than JISICKI m give me get Sicky

1100
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: all day, a lot better in my opinion. Yeah, I

1101
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: just don't want to spend big time resources on a

1102
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: tight end right now. Mcgull has my number ten tight end.

1103
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: Who who give me the other four? Give me? Give

1104
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: me the top four? You got Goddard, Mark Andrews. Hey,

1105
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Andrews yet. I'm sorry, Goddard, Hayden Hurst,

1106
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, Ian Thomas are my top four five of

1107
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: Bekasicky Durham smythe from Notre Dame, Chris Herndon Miami, Tyler Conklin,

1108
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: and Dalton Schultz. Top nine. Pretty pretty solid little group, right, Yeah,

1109
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: not bad see that. But there are there's some, there's some,

1110
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: there's some depth of this class. It's it's a very

1111
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: good class. Yeah, it really is. How about Alabama's safety

1112
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison? Why or why not? I want to go

1113
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: for the why not or why I'll tell you why

1114
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: not because we know what he is. He's a downhill thumper,

1115
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: a guy that loves violence, and heck, I'll love that

1116
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: on my team. But I need a safety that I

1117
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: can control, I can trust, can control himself to go

1118
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: in reverse, it can handle cover responsibilities, and on tape

1119
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: you just don't see any consistency in that area from him. Again,

1120
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: I know what I'm getting as a downhill run defender.

1121
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: He's outstanding in that area. But this isn't nineteen ninety

1122
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: two and today's NFL. My strong safety needs to be

1123
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: able to drop a little bit and play in space,

1124
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: and that's where there's some inconsistent results. So I don't

1125
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison's not a guy that I would personally take

1126
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: in the first round, but you know, at some point

1127
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: the second sure, maybe, but not in the first because

1128
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: of those coverage limitations. Yeah, but I you know, to me,

1129
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: guys six almost six two two hundred and fifteen pounds

1130
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: or so, and I think you're right about him. I

1131
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: do see a guy with some quick feet. You're right

1132
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: about it. I thought it'll overrun some plays. But I

1133
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: talked about I saw a guy who was a really

1134
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: good blitzer. I saw a guy that was when a

1135
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: very good tackler in space. You know, I think, if

1136
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a say, how many of these safeties

1137
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: we oh, he looks good doing this, looks good doing that.

1138
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, all these things we talk about, Oh he

1139
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: can you know, can he tackle? Yes or no? And

1140
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, when he gets in position to tackle,

1141
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: he can get his guy to the ground and give

1142
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: me that guy, give me the guy that that is,

1143
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: you know when when you know, and I've seen him

1144
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: playing the slot, you know, I've seen him some things

1145
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: in coverage. I think there's some things that you can

1146
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: do with this guy. You know, is he Landing Collins? No?

1147
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: You know what Landing Collins was a second round player.

1148
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: But what landed Collins do better than anybody else? He tackled? Yeah? Well,

1149
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: and Collins came a long way sure in terms of

1150
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: the coverage, sure, and the coverage well. The theory I'm

1151
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: developing the more I cover the draft is the college

1152
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: safety who's really great in coverage. I mean those are

1153
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: like the elite guys. You know, you don't see him

1154
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: very often. Yeah, but exactly, So if you can get

1155
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: me a guy I could cover and tackle if he

1156
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: can tackle and at least looks like he's not wearing rollerblades, Yeah,

1157
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: he's in coverage. Adams kind of like that, Yeah he was.

1158
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: I never thought of him as a great coverage Yeah.

1159
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: Well and if Landon Collins, if any team thought he

1160
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: could do it in coverage, he would have went in

1161
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, but he didn't. He fell out

1162
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: of the first round because teams were worried he wouldn't

1163
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: be able to hold up in coverage. And kudos to

1164
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: him because he got taken in the second round and

1165
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: he improved in those areas and now it looks like,

1166
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, he should have been a top ten pick

1167
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: in that drop. Absolutely. One last one, real quick Auburn

1168
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: guard Braden Smith. Why why not? How about the how

1169
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: about the why not? How about the why or which

1170
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: would you rather have? Go for it? You like this guy?

1171
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: I do like and I'm surprised that more people don't

1172
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: like him more because I see a guy that has

1173
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: position flex guard or tackle as a guard. When he

1174
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: watched Auburn a lot of times the running play is

1175
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: going behind that right guard where Bradon Smith lined up

1176
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: because of his ability to control blocks at the point

1177
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: of attack, of her body's strength, and he's not a

1178
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: bad athlete, so I think there's enough traits there that

1179
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: I can work with um. Now, I don't think he's

1180
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: better than Hernandez or Win or anything like that. But

1181
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: on day two, if I get if I don't, if

1182
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: I miss out on my guard, my Win or Hernandez,

1183
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a huge drop off to Smith

1184
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: at some point on day two. I think he tends

1185
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: to catch as a blocker. I watched him play Georgia

1186
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: A and m Clemson an LSU. I think he catches

1187
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: as a blocker. I think he is to his feet,

1188
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: tend to get all over the place when you watch

1189
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: him play. I think he really struggles to sustain. I

1190
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: think that when you he doesn't have much upper body power.

1191
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: When they go unbalanced, they move him to the tackle spots.

1192
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: So when he has to play getst opponents it's strong.

1193
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: I think that gives him problems, you know, And that's

1194
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: what I say. That's why I mentioned the opponents that

1195
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I watched. Generally, he'll take his man where he wants

1196
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: to go. You know this guy, you know, he's he

1197
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: can like get the guy wants to go that he'll

1198
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: just kind of wall him off and go that way.

1199
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: But I think he struggles in space blocking on the screen.

1200
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: They use him as a puller. I thought he got

1201
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: over extended and I didn't think he had very good

1202
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: balance as a pass blocker. So just that's definitely a

1203
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: player we don't see eye to eye. We don't. I

1204
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: feel like people think y'all agree on everything. The truth

1205
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: of the matter is not quite so much. No, but

1206
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: that's in a draft room every day. If we all

1207
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: agree on these guys, we'd have a terrible draft. It

1208
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't be this. Yeah, the show wouldn't be fun. No,

1209
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: one wouldn't care about the draft because we'd all agree. Yeah,

1210
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: well said, that's all the time we got. That's what

1211
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: the music means. I like that. Why or why not?

1212
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: I am out on Monday, So yeah, you'll find some

1213
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: such dud for you to find somebody to come in it.

1214
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: We'll get Kevin Turner to come back in and visit

1215
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: me more. Draft Jeopardy More Draft, Jeffardy, all right for

1216
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: my scouts, Dave Burglar, David Hellman, Executive producer Kent Garrison.

1217
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Bross. We'll see you Monday, ten am for

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