Speaker 1: Welcome to Reasonably Shady, a production of the Black Effect
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Speaker 1: Okay, but that was only ten minutes.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna give you. Let's let's just get let's
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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome to Reasonably Shady. It's your girl, Giselle
Speaker 2: Bryant's here.
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? And I'm Robin Dixon. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 2: Guys, this is our second episode. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for coming back because hopefully you listened to the first
Speaker 2: one and now you are back listening to us again.
Speaker 2: Just want you to know that we are two girlfriends
Speaker 2: who love each other, and so this podcast is all
Speaker 2: about you hearing.
Speaker 1: What girlfriends talk about.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be talking about everything from you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, up and down and through.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about everything.
Speaker 2: And we're also going to allow at some point for
Speaker 2: our listeners to ask us questions.
Speaker 1: We'll be able to give advice.
Speaker 2: So today is gonna be a good day because we're
Speaker 2: talking about relationships.
Speaker 1: We love to talk about relationship, yes we do, Yes,
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 2: But we always want to start our reasonably Shady podcast
Speaker 2: off with a little icebreaker.
Speaker 1: So it's our reasonably shady moment of the week. Robin.
Speaker 1: You want to go first, yes, So my reasonably shady
Speaker 1: moment of the week goes to myself. M It's nothing major,
Speaker 1: but I just I came back from a trip a
Speaker 1: number of days ago, mm hmm, and I still have
Speaker 1: not unpacked my suitcases suitcases, and so now I'm just
Speaker 1: pulling stuff out of my suitcases to get dressed, okay,
Speaker 1: And I just feel like that, And I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: I had time to unpack my stuff, okay, but I'm
Speaker 1: making life more difficult for myself right now.
Speaker 2: So you do realize this podcast is called reasonably shady
Speaker 2: and not procrastination.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I look at it like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: reasonable because a lot of people do this. A lot
Speaker 1: of people go on trips, trip come back and they
Speaker 1: let their suitcases sit and I'm shady because it's just, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not productive.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to just say that you this
Speaker 2: was a three day trip.
Speaker 1: I saw your luggage.
Speaker 2: You had two big old bags a luggage, and so
Speaker 2: that was actually reasonable because you had to put everything
Speaker 2: in right. Yes, shady because I'm shading you because we
Speaker 2: were only going for three days.
Speaker 1: Yes, we were going for three days. So now I
Speaker 1: have like half of my wardrobe in my luggage. All right.
Speaker 2: So I was actually on this trip and my reasonably
Speaker 2: shady moment of the week is, you know, I have
Speaker 2: some friends, and I decided to check in on one
Speaker 2: of my girlfriends because she's, you know, kind of been
Speaker 2: going through a lot. And I realized that checking in
Speaker 2: on her and being a good friend to her in
Speaker 2: a very reasonable way, because guys understand, just say, was
Speaker 2: typically not reasonable. She's typically always shady. So I checked
Speaker 2: in on her. But she decided that me checking in
Speaker 2: on her was just shady and it wasn't Robin.
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand where you're coming from, yes, but I
Speaker 1: can understand as well a person's perspective. When they hear
Speaker 1: something negative, right, they just hold onto the negative part, right,
Speaker 1: and they don't hear anything else that was being said,
Speaker 1: and so all they heard was negative, negative, negative, not
Speaker 1: hearing I care about you, I'm checking in on you, right,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to say, moving forward, in a
Speaker 2: relationship with girlfriends, you should be to talk about the good,
Speaker 2: the bad, and ze ugly, Okay, and it not necessarily
Speaker 2: always be thrown under the caveat of Giselle's being shady. Okay,
Speaker 2: I will let you know what I'm being shady. I
Speaker 2: was not being shady in this particular case. So, Robin,
Speaker 2: I'm so excited because you know, I love talking about relationships.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things. And this is called
Speaker 1: breakup or makeup? Okay, Yes, I know a little bit
Speaker 1: about that. You do you do? And can you start first?
Speaker 1: I can? Yes. So, I mean we're definitely going to
Speaker 1: go down the list of just in general, you know, statistics,
Speaker 1: talking about what presented to men cheat. We're going to
Speaker 1: get into finances, deal breakers, but I think it's good
Speaker 1: for us to start with our personal stories experiences. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree. So, I mean, look, if we were just
Speaker 1: gonna talk about my relationship, I could be here this
Speaker 1: this is like probably two podcast episodes. You need to
Speaker 1: talk about my relationship. And I say that because it
Speaker 1: started in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that what nineteen ninety six you were? And
Speaker 2: this is two thy twenty one. I don't I can't count,
Speaker 2: but let's just say that's a long day of time.
Speaker 1: To two oh six to twenty sixteen. That's twenty carried
Speaker 1: to one twenty five Yes, yeah, twenty five years. Woo,
Speaker 1: twenty five years with one dude, one person, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: a saga twenty five years and a prominent man at that, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: So my boyfriend, fiance, husband, ex husband, fiance, you know,
Speaker 1: he's been all those titles. He was an athlete. We
Speaker 1: met in high school. He was an athlete. He ended
Speaker 1: up playing college basketball. So he was a college athlete,
Speaker 1: and you know, his life it was already you know.
Speaker 1: So when you're an athlete, the lights are bright, cool,
Speaker 1: tension is on you, and you have all the attention
Speaker 1: in the world. And I was there with him because
Speaker 1: he had big dreams to make it to the NBA. Okay,
Speaker 1: So in high school and in college, I was in
Speaker 1: the gym with him. Know how they say you weren't
Speaker 1: there shooting in the gym. Yeah, I was in there
Speaker 1: shooting in the gym. It was the Robin. Why were
Speaker 1: you in there? Were just making sure he was in
Speaker 1: the gym. No, No, I was helping him. I was
Speaker 1: rebounding defense. He said, I want to get shots up.
Speaker 1: I need somebody to rebound. Robin put on her tennis shoes. People,
Speaker 1: she was in the gym with him, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so I was in the gym shooting with one while
Speaker 1: he was trying to achieve his dreams to make it
Speaker 1: to the NBA. Okay, So once he made it to
Speaker 1: the NBA, here come the thoughts, Here come the hose,
Speaker 1: Here come the strumpets, Here come the scaley wags, Here
Speaker 1: come the goldsm I'm done, I'm finished, okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: once he made it to the NBA, you know, okay, sowerwasher.
Speaker 1: So that so, okay.
Speaker 2: If if at any point y'all hear noise, it's my construction. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of construction going on at my house.
Speaker 2: Let's continue on, okay.
Speaker 1: I mean there's all types of noises. It's construction, powerwashing,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's a lot going on here. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's good, it's life. Yes, okay, So NBA he made
Speaker 1: it to the media. We were, like I said, we
Speaker 1: were together since high school and I was in the
Speaker 1: gym shooting with him, and I helped him with his schoolwork,
Speaker 1: and I helped him, you know, achieve his dreams. And
Speaker 1: I was there to see him make it to the NBA.
Speaker 1: And then he got to the NBA and all hell
Speaker 1: broke loose and yes, dumb, dumb, dumb, Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: this is like, I mean, don't you know where this
Speaker 1: story is going? Right? Yes, I think everybody's very clear.
Speaker 1: Don't mean know where the story is going. So you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was for me because I was young
Speaker 1: and I was dumb, and I felt like I had
Speaker 1: some sort of you know, I helped I was I
Speaker 1: helped him get to where he was. I almost didn't
Speaker 1: want to accept any type of you know, cheating, suspicions
Speaker 1: or accusations. And so for me, it was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not walking away from this and letting some as Giselle
Speaker 1: calls them, scaleywag come and take my place, who didn't
Speaker 1: put the work in. So you turned a blind eye,
Speaker 1: I would say, I turned I would say I did
Speaker 1: not seek I didn't look for like, I didn't look
Speaker 1: at the signs. Okay, you know, I didn't harp on them.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, you know, digging for information. Okay, I
Speaker 1: guess that's turn a blind eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's actually new. I've known you
Speaker 2: for a long time. That's like new information. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that I'm finding out about you.
Speaker 1: Right. So it's like, so, yes, we got a divorce
Speaker 1: and it was because of you know, just because of INFIDELI.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like one instance that just like set
Speaker 1: it off and I was like, oh, I'm I'm leaving
Speaker 1: because I found out you cheated with Mary. Like no,
Speaker 1: it was it was like, okay, just I'm done with this.
Speaker 1: This is enough. Yes, And that happened, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, for me, we started dating when we were
Speaker 1: very young, so that that mentality was just I chalked
Speaker 1: that up to being young and dumb and like I said,
Speaker 1: attracted to you know, being an NBA player that I
Speaker 1: helped in my opinion, in my mind, I was there.
Speaker 1: I helped him achieve his dreams because no one believed
Speaker 1: in him.
Speaker 2: So I have a question, So did you at that
Speaker 2: point you got you know, you're an NBA wife.
Speaker 1: Did you fall in love with being an NBA wife?
Speaker 1: It became part of I would say it became a
Speaker 1: part of my identity, okay, because when you are an
Speaker 1: NBA wife, you don't really have an opportunity to, you know,
Speaker 1: to have your own job because we travel so much,
Speaker 1: you know, because we moved from city to city, so
Speaker 1: it would be hard to like have a career or
Speaker 1: a job. So our lives revolved around being, you know,
Speaker 1: following our husband from city to city. So we would
Speaker 1: you know, live in a certain city for you know,
Speaker 1: during the season, and then we moved back to our
Speaker 1: hometown and then you're moving again. So our since our
Speaker 1: lives revolved around and you're going to the games and
Speaker 1: you're watching the games. Since our lives revolve around that,
Speaker 1: it becomes your identity. So would you connect that to self?
Speaker 2: Your self value and worth at the time was connected
Speaker 2: to who you were married to, the status that gave you,
Speaker 2: the access that gave you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, okay. And not that I needed it
Speaker 1: because I was always you know, I come from good stock,
Speaker 1: so I didn't need any you know, an NBA player
Speaker 1: to make me feel worthy. But it's it's a different
Speaker 1: life that you live, and you kind of enjoy it,
Speaker 1: you know, like I you know, I know the life
Speaker 1: that my friends are living, and I know the life
Speaker 1: that I was living. Your friends was broke, broke, broke.
Speaker 1: But but you know what's interesting is my friends they
Speaker 1: were spending time grinding, you know, going to school, going
Speaker 1: to medical school or law school or business school. And now,
Speaker 1: you know, it got to a point where when my
Speaker 1: marriage ended, or when Wann's career was over, we're back
Speaker 1: to square one. We're starting at zero. Yes, and my
Speaker 1: friends are established, you know, they're they're well into their career,
Speaker 1: they're you know, buying their big houses and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it's like it's just like
Speaker 1: what do you want. Do you want it that instant gratification,
Speaker 1: which is what you know we had right on, that lifestyle,
Speaker 1: or do you want to like grind and work for it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, look, there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: topics we can explore here. But my experiences just a
Speaker 1: little different than most people's experience because we were married,
Speaker 1: you know, we started dating when we were in high school,
Speaker 1: we got married, we got divorced, and then after the
Speaker 1: divorce one came back home and was and came back home,
Speaker 1: moved back in. We were kind of like at a
Speaker 1: rock bottom place professionally financially, and we decided to like
Speaker 1: pull our resources together and just help each other get
Speaker 1: to a better place for the sake of ourselves and
Speaker 1: our kids. Yep. And at some point we rekindled our relationships. Oh,
Speaker 1: they rekindled the flame. Yes, yes, But going through that
Speaker 1: experience and I can't say, like, you know, I had
Speaker 1: some tough moments where you know, you cry yourself to
Speaker 1: sleep and you're you know, just just oh my god,
Speaker 1: what I do next? You know, early on in the relationship,
Speaker 1: at some point I said to myself, I'm never and
Speaker 1: you know I say this, I'm never letting a man
Speaker 1: make me cry again, Robin. That's not realistic.
Speaker 2: Why not because you might cry because you look at
Speaker 2: him and you realize how much you love him.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I mean cry in a way of like
Speaker 1: I hurt you exactly, Not letting a man make me
Speaker 1: cry because of a breakup or because of infidel whatever
Speaker 1: it is. It's like, if you if you want to
Speaker 1: break up, if you want cheat on me, Okay, bye, I'm.
Speaker 2: Done by I'm done moving on. Okay, all right, So
Speaker 2: we're gonna get back to that. We're gonna put a
Speaker 2: pin in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I can give you a little bit of
Speaker 2: my backstory, which if you've ever googled me, you've already read.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, I kind of similar. You know.
Speaker 2: I met Jamaal when when he was starting his career,
Speaker 2: which was him being a pastor of a megachurch, I should.
Speaker 1: Say, so I was. I was that girl kind of
Speaker 1: like you, Robin.
Speaker 2: I was there making sure or that I was handing
Speaker 2: out flyers in the streets of Baltimore so that at
Speaker 2: night at clubs when people were coming out, so that
Speaker 2: you know, people would know that he was about to
Speaker 2: launch or not launch a church, but like open a church.
Speaker 2: You know, I was the girl at the meetings in
Speaker 2: the beginning. It was like him and like twenty of us.
Speaker 2: I was the one in the beginning when he didn't
Speaker 2: have a church, and I would go with him to
Speaker 2: go preach at another church. I would see that there'd
Speaker 2: be about thirty people that would follow him around to
Speaker 2: any church between DC, Maryland and Virginia because they just
Speaker 2: love to hear him preach and then when we would
Speaker 2: go out of town, I'd be like, wow, like you
Speaker 2: really just have a following. And he didn't want to
Speaker 2: start his own church. He was like he was kind
Speaker 2: of scared of failure. He was kind of feeling like
Speaker 2: if he does open up a church, are people going
Speaker 2: to come? Are they gonna come consistently? I mean it's
Speaker 2: really a leap of faith. So, you know, I was
Speaker 2: that girl from day one. He was broke, and I
Speaker 2: believed in his vision and I believed in his dream.
Speaker 2: And my mother always says, because I always say, you know,
Speaker 2: I believed in Jamal's vision, and she's like, well, you
Speaker 2: must have had magnifying glasses because when I met him,
Speaker 2: I did not think that that was going to happen. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: So long story short, you know, there was clearly in fidelity.
Speaker 1: We got a divorce.
Speaker 2: And my feeling about marriage and relationships has always been.
Speaker 1: A relationship does not define me.
Speaker 2: A relationship is not attached to my self worth, my
Speaker 2: self value, who and what I am. I am not
Speaker 2: less than who I am if I'm not in a relationship.
Speaker 2: And I think that sometimes, especially when you are younger girls, teenagers,
Speaker 2: young ladies. As they're trying to find themselves, they get
Speaker 2: caught up in having to be attached to a man
Speaker 2: like I said, right right, And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: I was the first lady of a mega church and
Speaker 2: that that there comes with a lot of purpose. That
Speaker 2: comes with you know, private planes, that comes with shopping sprees,
Speaker 2: it comes with I had a title. You know, I
Speaker 2: was no longer gazelle. I had a title. I was
Speaker 2: first lady. So you know, that was all nice, But
Speaker 2: that was never anything that I was seeking.
Speaker 1: To get off of a relationship, right, And I mean
Speaker 1: it just it just happened. It happened, yes, and you
Speaker 1: grew into it and I grew into it.
Speaker 2: And you know, when we were getting divorced, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest, just like you, Robin, I thought about, Okay,
Speaker 2: if I divorced him, all of that other stuff goes away,
Speaker 2: and am I okay with it?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I was okay with it, of course.
Speaker 2: But I decided, as far as infidelity is concerned, that
Speaker 2: if it's a one night thing, meaning you went to
Speaker 2: Vegas and you lost your mind and you slept with Mary,
Speaker 2: or you went to a bachelor party and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the strippers came in and you lost your mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, we can get through that. You can get through that.
Speaker 2: But if this is a lifestyle, if this is how
Speaker 2: you want to live your life as a married man,
Speaker 2: I'm just not signing up for it because I feel
Speaker 2: like and you can call it selfish if you want.
Speaker 2: How I feel about me, my values, what I want
Speaker 2: for my life is will always be more important than
Speaker 2: how I feel about a relationship.
Speaker 1: Right. Does that make sense? Yeah? For sure. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like that's selfish. No not, I think,
Speaker 1: and I think that comes with age. I think it
Speaker 1: comes with wisdom. I think it's like you figure out
Speaker 1: because the man is doing what he wants for himself. Yes,
Speaker 1: so why not you do what you'd want for yourself? Right? Right? True? True?
Speaker 1: So to be totally transparent for everybody.
Speaker 2: We then got back together twelve years after I got
Speaker 2: a doorse familion, and you know what, we have three kids.
Speaker 2: He is he's been in my life for twenty some years.
Speaker 2: We're the best of friends. We do love each other obviously,
Speaker 2: and you know, we got back together. We got back
Speaker 2: together with the intention of bringing our family back together
Speaker 2: and making it work.
Speaker 1: Because we do love each other.
Speaker 2: However, he lives in freaking Atlanta, y'all, and I live
Speaker 2: in Maryland, and Loanda's relationship in the pandemic ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: And when we couldn't see each other, I gotta be honest,
Speaker 2: I was kind of happy being free.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And I was kind of have to like
Speaker 1: cook toast for people.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't have to make peanut butter and jelly
Speaker 2: sandwiches because that's what he likes. I didn't have to
Speaker 2: talk about what we're gonna watch on TV because I
Speaker 2: was just gonna watch what I want to watch.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like, I have to know who
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: And Gizelle enjoys being just Gizelle and being free and being.
Speaker 1: And not answering to anyone. Yes, I get that I do.
Speaker 2: So one day, you know, I might be in another relationship,
Speaker 2: but as for right now, what's working for me is
Speaker 2: not being in one right now.
Speaker 1: Robin and I did look up some statistics, yes, as
Speaker 1: it relates to relationships, because it's very important that people
Speaker 1: start getting into relationships with their eyes wide open, right right,
Speaker 1: So we looked up what do we look up? Robin,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling it out statistics. I do want to say,
Speaker 1: I think when you are in a relationship and you
Speaker 1: really want to make it work, and you do come
Speaker 1: into a situation where there is infidelity. For me, sometimes
Speaker 1: you do have to break up for things to change. Yes,
Speaker 1: like as an as an eye opener for the partner,
Speaker 1: so that they can't say if you don't break up
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, well I got away with it,
Speaker 1: away with it again. I think the breakup helps to
Speaker 1: make sure that that behavior does not happen again.
Speaker 2: Yes, And you know, in both of our situations, we
Speaker 2: met these guys when they were young and we were young, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, everybody needs everybody's human everybody needs the
Speaker 2: ability to grow up and to really figure out what's
Speaker 2: best for them and there what's best for their lives right, right,
Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, sometimes you have to
Speaker 2: allow space for a man to get there.
Speaker 1: Right, because I can say Wan the change that needed
Speaker 1: to happen, and Wan did not happen until I divorced him. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, so if we had remained married, if we
Speaker 1: had not gotten divorced, I'd be probably be miserable right now, right.
Speaker 2: And I do also want to say that women need
Speaker 2: to understand that a lot of a man's behavior is
Speaker 2: based off of how he is, how his profession is going.
Speaker 2: Meaning if he's he's he's always going to be striving
Speaker 2: to get that right, because that's just the nature of
Speaker 2: a man. Typically, they are built to be providers. I
Speaker 2: can say speak for experience. I know when I was
Speaker 2: married for Jamal, his main focus, his like ninety percent
Speaker 2: focus was his job, was his church was growing and
Speaker 2: building it. And you know, to be quite honest, I
Speaker 2: wasn't a focus. I wasn't what was on the forefront
Speaker 2: of his mind. Now when we were married, it was
Speaker 2: great until it wasn't. But just like men are getting
Speaker 2: their hustle on, women need to get their hustle on too.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you so, I'm gonna bring up
Speaker 2: candy birds because I will never forget this. When I
Speaker 2: met her, we did some sort of stuff something together
Speaker 2: for Bravo, and and I was starting every hue and
Speaker 2: then I started dating Sherman and she was like, Giselle,
Speaker 2: let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like off the cuff.
Speaker 2: She was like, don't let your relationship ever stop your
Speaker 2: hustle because a lot of times women get into relationships
Speaker 2: with men and then all of a sudden they get
Speaker 2: comfortable and they were like, and they you know, they're
Speaker 2: in that love mode. They want to stand in the man, yes,
Speaker 2: because you're so busy, right, They want to stay in
Speaker 2: the bed and cuddle. But the man gets up, puts
Speaker 2: pants on, goes to work, and we still like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I love you and I want to cuddle. No bitch,
Speaker 2: no bitch, get your hustle on. But I digress. Okay,
Speaker 2: we want to give you all statistics. Okay, So Robin
Speaker 2: and I looked up how many people are cheating in
Speaker 2: relationships and what we came up with. And I don't
Speaker 2: know where the hell these surveys came from. You Okay,
Speaker 2: So it said that twenty percent of men, twenty two
Speaker 2: percent of men cheat. Now I did a mental survey
Speaker 2: in my mind of my girlfriends and that number is
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Now twenty I'm just saying, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like, you know, Patty Patty
Speaker 2: or negative Nancy, but this is not right.
Speaker 1: I want who did they interview for this.
Speaker 2: I don't know who they asked, but let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. They asked the wrong people. Now, that's number one.
Speaker 2: Number two is ten percent of these said cheating infidelities
Speaker 2: start online. So ladies, if your man is on his
Speaker 2: phone and he's on the Twitter, and he's on all
Speaker 2: the social media and if he's online, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Oh if he's on the Instagram, check his dms because
Speaker 2: he hitting somebody.
Speaker 1: Use. I'm just trying to tell you now, there's that. Now, Robin,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: What struck me, and this is for me and you
Speaker 2: because be cause what I really wanted to know was
Speaker 2: when men cheat?
Speaker 1: Do they cheat again? Okay? Right?
Speaker 2: And it said three hundred fifty percent of men that cheat?
Speaker 1: What cheat again?
Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifty not one hundred percent of men
Speaker 2: that cheat cheat again, it's.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty percent. I don't if I might
Speaker 1: be making that up, you are, How can three fifty
Speaker 1: percent of a group of people, let me read my
Speaker 1: it's like that one person. So what they're saying is, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it's these people cheat three point five more times,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I didn't get involved in that, but I just start
Speaker 2: thinking about my life and I said, well, god, damn,
Speaker 2: somebody should tell me that about two years ago, just saying, right,
Speaker 2: just saying.
Speaker 1: It would have saved you some time and some heart.
Speaker 1: It'll saved some time and energy and money now.
Speaker 2: But but but that's real, though, and that's real for
Speaker 2: you as well, right right?
Speaker 1: And I think I mean, you know, who knows why
Speaker 1: men cheat or what makes them stop cheating or what
Speaker 1: makes them change from a cheater to a non cheater.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is just growth. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it is, you know, going through
Speaker 1: experiences where maybe they they're you know, hindsight, they look
Speaker 1: back they lost someone because they cheated on them, and
Speaker 1: they're like, man, I messed that up. That was like
Speaker 1: my wife, that was gonna be mine forever and I
Speaker 1: lost her. So then when they get in their next relationship,
Speaker 1: they don't want to and they have a good woman
Speaker 1: that they really love and appreciate, they don't want to
Speaker 1: lose her, right, So it's like sometimes, yeah, when you're
Speaker 1: leaving that man because he cheated, you're actually setting up
Speaker 1: the next woman for a better man. Okay.
Speaker 2: So I just want you all to know something because
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever shared this every dude that
Speaker 2: I've ever broken up with and I've broken up.
Speaker 1: With a line. Oh god, do they get married?
Speaker 2: Is their next girlfriend? They're married their very next girlfriend.
Speaker 2: They marry them, Okay, And I kind of at first
Speaker 2: I was like, well, damn, this is weird. But actually
Speaker 2: I take that as like a badge of but not
Speaker 2: like you help them get there. Yes, you help them
Speaker 2: get the point where he's ready to be married. Yes,
Speaker 2: I whipped that dude into shape for the next woman.
Speaker 2: So ladies, y'all send me some gifts, okay, because I didn't.
Speaker 1: Hooked a whole lot of y'all up.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now they don't even know Okay, no, they know,
Speaker 2: they know that the last girlfriend was just they're clear
Speaker 2: on that. I get daggers and stairs all over the
Speaker 2: place when I walk down the streets. Now, anyway, listen, wait,
Speaker 2: I think this statistic is interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay. It says thirty six percent of cheaters have affairs
Speaker 1: with their coworkers. And I believe that. I believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean, because you're spending so much time with each other. Three,
Speaker 1: you're spending more time at work and more you know,
Speaker 1: you know, just you're going through work issues, and right
Speaker 1: you have a commonality, which is the job. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and I believe that. So I remember when I used
Speaker 1: to work, I you know, even though WAM was in
Speaker 1: the NBA, like I still would, you know, try to
Speaker 1: find jobs when I could or whatever. So I worked
Speaker 1: an office job and I would go to lunch every
Speaker 1: day with the same group of guys every day. Wan
Speaker 1: are you hearing this? Oh? He knew because he would
Speaker 1: be like you at lunch again, like you know who
Speaker 1: you at? Like he did not like that at all. Right,
Speaker 1: it would drive him bonkers that I would go to
Speaker 1: lunch with the same group of guys and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: chill out. But I get it because I think in
Speaker 1: his mind's going crazy, like right, God, you're at work,
Speaker 1: you're hanging out, You're spending all this quality time with
Speaker 1: these people. Yeah, but it used to drive me crazy.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, but wait, did any of the
Speaker 1: guys try to hit on you? No, but they would,
Speaker 1: you know, say nice.
Speaker 2: They was flirty flirty yes, okay. So another statistic is
Speaker 2: thirty I'm sorry, thirteen. So we already established it said
Speaker 2: that twenty percent of men cheat. We think that's a lie.
Speaker 2: We think it's one hundred percent. But thirteen percent of
Speaker 2: women cheat. Now, if twenty percent of men are cheating,
Speaker 2: they cheating with women, right.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand they statistics, but I get it
Speaker 1: like women, like I believe the women. It might be.
Speaker 1: I feel like it might be a little bit low,
Speaker 1: but I feel like maybe be like twenty percent of women.
Speaker 2: No, I think women is forty percent. And I would
Speaker 2: tell you why why whatever the men? Whatever the statisticate
Speaker 2: is for men, women is double. Women know how to cover.
Speaker 1: Their tracks better than men.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I feel like women do stuff and they
Speaker 2: take it to the grave.
Speaker 1: Women know how to cover their tracks. I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about that.
Speaker 2: Women know how to make sure that they cleared the
Speaker 2: history on their phone. They cleared the history on their
Speaker 2: navigation in their car.
Speaker 1: Am I am? I telling them? Well you are? I
Speaker 1: will say I did, I did get caught. You know
Speaker 1: what I did. I'm about to give you a tip.
Speaker 1: Y'all probably already know this tip. So I had a
Speaker 1: person I was talking to. This isn't during a rocky moment. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know who were you with one or not?
Speaker 1: We were together? They were together, but Verba said, but
Speaker 1: I had me, But I had had enough. Okay, she said,
Speaker 1: I gotta do me. Okay, I have had enough. So
Speaker 1: I had a person I was talking to and I
Speaker 1: changed his name to a female's name in your phone
Speaker 1: in my phone. Yeah, Robin, that's the old news, every news. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean you know how Sally and and Jill and
Speaker 1: well Larry and Teresa. Somebody just learned something.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, So wait a minute, So wait a minute.
Speaker 2: So did you when you said you you jumped out there?
Speaker 1: Were you cheating on wine? Were you having sex with
Speaker 1: this man? No? No, no, we were We probably would
Speaker 1: have gotten there, but we were just communicating. And he
Speaker 1: found out, and Wan found out Wand found out, and
Speaker 1: he didn't want to break up or anything. But it
Speaker 1: was an eye opener for him, right you know, because
Speaker 1: you know, at that point, I'm like, you're not giving
Speaker 1: me the attention that I need or that I want.
Speaker 1: So so that was an eye opener for him. But
Speaker 1: this was like years and years and years ago, and
Speaker 1: he like, still will never forget.
Speaker 2: That's that's so no no to ladies. Men want to
Speaker 2: do what they want to do, but theyd I'm sure
Speaker 2: don't want you doing what you want to do. And
Speaker 2: the quickest way to get a man to get himself
Speaker 2: together is for him to think you doing something else
Speaker 2: exactly exactly. And I feel like, actually, when when Jamal
Speaker 2: and I broke up, that that's what happened. Like he
Speaker 2: would he'd be outside, like waiting for me to drive off.
Speaker 2: I lived in this apartment and it had a garage.
Speaker 2: He'd be waiting outside the garage, like where's she going?
Speaker 1: Right? Is she going to see? What's she gonna do?
Speaker 1: They cannot handle it. They can't, And it's such a
Speaker 1: double standard. It's so crazy. It's like, Okay, y'all can
Speaker 1: do what you want. You can run around. It's like okay,
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you have kids. If we have kids, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta come home. I gotta be with my kids.
Speaker 1: But the man, he can just be like, all right,
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna I'm going to play the video game.
Speaker 1: I'm going to you know, play basketball. I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: What why is that? Why can't you just come and
Speaker 1: go as you please? And I can't. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: how would you like it if I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well i'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that right right,
Speaker 1: I totally. It's a very it's a huge double standard.
Speaker 1: We have to understand that men are babies.
Speaker 2: Their egos are easily fragiled, fragiled, I think I made
Speaker 2: up a word. Their egos are easily fragiled, Is that no?
Speaker 2: Or easily broken?
Speaker 1: Sure? Broken? Okay?
Speaker 2: And I you know if you're not stroking, they're fractured. Fractured, yeah,
Speaker 2: easily fractured.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh yes, there regard. They always want their ego stroked.
Speaker 2: They always want to feel like they're so very important,
Speaker 2: they're so needed, they're so wanted.
Speaker 1: But let them think you getting attention from somebody else.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, so ladies, you heard it
Speaker 2: from me first. If you're in a relationship, and even
Speaker 2: if their relationship is amazing, that.
Speaker 1: Is your boo.
Speaker 2: He's got your back, and you are you rightly so
Speaker 2: have his back.
Speaker 1: That is that is just your main man.
Speaker 2: And y'all are y'all are doing the dog one thing
Speaker 2: every now and again. Gone and put that frekum dress on,
Speaker 2: put them high heels on. Call all of your girlfriends
Speaker 2: and let him know that you've called all of your girlfriends,
Speaker 2: and y'all are going out and do not come home
Speaker 2: until the sun comes up. Okay, just do it. And
Speaker 2: let me tell you something that's just a little check in.
Speaker 2: It's just a little let him know, like, don't get froggy, buddy,
Speaker 2: cause other people are out here who think I am sexy.
Speaker 1: He needs to know that at all times. And when
Speaker 1: you come home, he is gonna be like, you have
Speaker 1: a good time. Let me say. I think I can
Speaker 1: say this. I think I can say this.
Speaker 2: So you know, I have a good girlfriend Eric Laous
Speaker 2: and Kevin, and like, you know, I think they won't
Speaker 2: mind me telling this story. But one day I was
Speaker 2: coming into New York just to hang out and with
Speaker 2: a couple of girlfriends.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Erica told Kevin like, if we gonna hang out this
Speaker 2: girl's night out. He was like all right, So he
Speaker 2: was like, you know what y'all need. So we actually
Speaker 2: needed for him to get us a VIP section in
Speaker 2: the club. So he, you know, Kevin Leiles, mister Kevin Leles,
Speaker 2: he goes into the club when.
Speaker 1: We got there, he came, he paid for everything.
Speaker 2: He talked to all the security guards. He was like,
Speaker 2: take care of them. He put down the black card,
Speaker 2: so we were like free to.
Speaker 1: Do us for the nights okay with us at it
Speaker 1: was kind of kind of because clearly he'd probably don't
Speaker 1: pay some people to take pictures of us. But whatever.
Speaker 2: So long story sure, we didn't expect the night to
Speaker 2: go this way. Long story short, it went the way
Speaker 2: of Eric allows and get home into the sun cald.
Speaker 1: It was literally like five thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2: So the funny part about it was I had, like,
Speaker 2: let's say, it's seven am flight, So I literally went
Speaker 2: to the hotel, packed my bags and went straight to
Speaker 2: the airport. And as I'm at the airport, I get
Speaker 2: a call from Kevin an area. And the call went
Speaker 2: a little something like this, because Kevin, if he really
Speaker 2: wants to talk to me, he calls.
Speaker 1: Me from Erica's phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, so when when I look at it, it says Erica.
Speaker 2: But then when I pressed answer, it's Kevin. Kevin, so
Speaker 2: she's sitting there right there with him, and he was like, really,
Speaker 2: this is what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is that a what we're doing.
Speaker 2: So I've been home all night, my wife didn't get home.
Speaker 1: It was your fault. It was your fault. I mean no,
Speaker 1: it was the collective fault of girls night out but
Speaker 1: you know what that was. That was cool for me
Speaker 1: to know that not cool, but it was like a
Speaker 1: good Like.
Speaker 2: Every now and again, you gotta let these dudes know
Speaker 2: for sure, Hey they are married to a hot girl.
Speaker 2: Yes that be they can go out and have fun
Speaker 2: and tear the club up and see they gonna come
Speaker 2: home when they come home.
Speaker 1: And trust me, when you're out, their mind is going crazy.
Speaker 1: Their imagination is running wild. They are like, she is
Speaker 1: being lifted, someone is lifting her up and she's straddling
Speaker 1: his face and there's humping on the floor. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what these guys are tormenting themselves when
Speaker 2: we're out and having our hot girl fun.
Speaker 1: But we're not thinking about them, right rich, just having fun,
Speaker 1: right right. Meanwhile, the phone is in the purse and
Speaker 1: they done facetimed and call twenty times, so they ready
Speaker 1: to call the police because they're scared to think you're, like,
Speaker 1: you know, missing, but they know you're really not. And
Speaker 1: then and then let me tell you what they do.
Speaker 2: So there'll be like I say, it's five girlfriends, the
Speaker 2: single single hot girl is posting all night on her Instagram,
Speaker 2: so li there following. Yeah, so all the husbands are
Speaker 2: like scrolling through trying to see, oh my gosh, in
Speaker 2: the background, who's that dude? And in the background corner,
Speaker 2: who's that dude? So you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: long story short, ladies, do not lose yourself in whatever
Speaker 2: relationship that you're in. Make sure you maintain your strength,
Speaker 2: your independence, your self worth because it can easily get
Speaker 2: wrapped up into him.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now that I did it.
Speaker 1: You know, I was in a shadow.
Speaker 2: You know, Jamal Bryant is a huge personality, a huge figure.
Speaker 2: Any room he walks in sucks out all the air.
Speaker 2: And I didn't have my own sense of who I
Speaker 2: am and who I want to be. So you know,
Speaker 2: I tell my children, a don't date an athlete Robin
Speaker 2: or meat or a megapastor those two.
Speaker 1: Things jack Chack or a rapper check.
Speaker 2: But make sure that, no matter what, you always maintain
Speaker 2: who and what you are. And that gets confusing sometimes
Speaker 2: because we all want to grow and develop, right, we
Speaker 2: all want to strive to greatness. But make sure that
Speaker 2: whatever relationship you're in, if he's not helping you get
Speaker 2: to your individual greatness.
Speaker 1: You need to leave. That's a word because he will
Speaker 1: suck it out of you, right right. If your man
Speaker 1: is not cheering you on, if he's not supporting you,
Speaker 1: if he's not encouraging you. Yeah, no, he ain't for you.
Speaker 1: He's not for you. He's not for you. But I
Speaker 1: will say, like I said, sometimes you do have to
Speaker 1: split up. Yep, but break up, file for divorce, move on.
Speaker 1: That's not to say that you'll never get back together,
Speaker 1: but sometimes they need, you know, that's that smack on
Speaker 1: the head to wake themselves up and realize what they
Speaker 1: had and how to be a better man for that
Speaker 1: person that you are becoming or that you are destined
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's be clear, you know, break up or
Speaker 2: make up. I mean the reality of it is, relationships
Speaker 2: are tough. It's a it's a everyday journey. I feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: Jamal and I we broke up our marriage based off
Speaker 2: of you know, infidelity, But if that had not happened,
Speaker 2: I always think, you know, because I was being swallowed
Speaker 2: in this marriage, what I have eventually snapped and wanted
Speaker 2: to leave because that's just not it was sucking out
Speaker 2: who I am and how I feel like I have become.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but He and I both say
Speaker 2: that us getting a divorce was the best thing that
Speaker 2: ever happened to him and to me individually, right, But
Speaker 2: you know, of course we have three beautiful kids, so
Speaker 2: it was all worth it in the end. And I
Speaker 2: feel like, God don't make no mistakes.
Speaker 1: No, he sure doesn't. He sure does not. But it
Speaker 1: would be nice if we could, you know, figure out
Speaker 1: how to reduce the divorce rate, how to keep families together. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it's hard. It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 2: I always say that relationships are work, and unfortunately for me,
Speaker 2: sometimes I just get throw my hands in the air
Speaker 2: and give up, and I don't want to work.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was saying this recently to one of our girlfriends,
Speaker 2: and you were there, and she said, she's been married
Speaker 2: for like seven No, she's been married for two years,
Speaker 2: but she's been with this guy for about seven years.
Speaker 1: And she said, I don't ever feel like our relationship
Speaker 1: is work. And everybody else in the room is like,
Speaker 1: wait on it, right, wait on it, because it's coming.
Speaker 1: And not to say that.
Speaker 2: Work is a bad thing exactly, but you gotta work
Speaker 2: to make sure that you're happy, that he's happy. That collectively,
Speaker 2: y'all are happy. The kids come, that derails things and.
Speaker 1: It's tough indeed, right, and you grow and you evolve,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes you grow apart, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that's the end of your relationship. When you grow apart,
Speaker 1: you got to figure out, Okay, well how can I
Speaker 1: grow with that person and meet them where they are
Speaker 1: and adapt and change and so it takes. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of give and take. It is. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, I always say, you know, no human
Speaker 1: is perfect, and so I think sometimes when people do
Speaker 1: mess up, people get so angry about what that person
Speaker 1: did to them. But I always say, that person, because
Speaker 1: they're not perfect, would have done that to anyone. So
Speaker 1: you always have to take out like the personal feeling
Speaker 1: like he hurt me, Like no, he would have hurt
Speaker 1: anyone because he's not where he should be in life,
Speaker 1: or because you know, he would have made this mistake anyway.
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes when women get so so bitter
Speaker 1: and angry and then they you know, cause problems with
Speaker 1: you know, seeing the kids, and they want to you know, retaliate,
Speaker 1: that's when things get worse. So if if you know this,
Speaker 1: go for a woman or a man, like when the
Speaker 1: other person hurts you, just realize they're not hurting you intentionally.
Speaker 1: They're doing it because they're not perfect, right, And when
Speaker 1: you can remove that element, it helps just in moving forward.
Speaker 2: And then also, you know, let's be clear, like if
Speaker 2: you find your dude cheating on you, do you then
Speaker 2: circle back? And if y'all are gonna make it, you know, y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all are gonna, you know, go down this journey and
Speaker 2: go down this test of time?
Speaker 1: Do you sit set new boundaries? Do you set ultimatums?
Speaker 2: Do you say, Okay, this happened, and in order for
Speaker 2: us to make it right, I want a trip to
Speaker 2: the French riviera, or I want a new pair of shoes,
Speaker 2: or I want a Cottier bracelet, Like do you set do.
Speaker 1: You set parameters? That's a band aid, like you know,
Speaker 1: asking for I mean, that's not okay if the guy
Speaker 1: messed up, like that's nice if he wants to give
Speaker 1: you stuff, But that shouldn't be like Okay, just give
Speaker 1: me this and I'm fine and we can move forward.
Speaker 1: But a lot of women do that. I I mean,
Speaker 1: is that materialistic? Yeah? Like how does that solve? Just
Speaker 1: just for the record, I don't do that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean it doesn't know, it doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 2: You're right, it does put a band aid on it.
Speaker 2: But do you say, okay, let's do a post nup.
Speaker 2: Let's put in writing that if this ever happens again,
Speaker 2: it's a rap.
Speaker 1: I'm for it right now. Mind you? Speaking of nuts, ladies,
Speaker 1: don't you ever get married?
Speaker 2: I don't care what's you. I don't care if you
Speaker 2: got five hours and he has seventeen. Don't you ever
Speaker 2: get married without a prenup? That okay, because you do
Speaker 2: not know where this relationship is going financially, and finances
Speaker 2: are important, and you want to protect yourself if and
Speaker 2: when you got you get.
Speaker 1: A divorce, you want to protect yourself.
Speaker 2: So you want to make sure that you are that
Speaker 2: there's no fight. We ain't fighting over money. Like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a prenup. Oh you didn't, I did not?
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Because like until it was a fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a fight, but like I just said, like
Speaker 1: we didn't have much, like we grew it all together, right,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't a fight like over money necessarily, it
Speaker 1: was a fight over well I guess it was over money, Okay,
Speaker 1: who am I lying? Yes, Okay, so it's fighting over money.
Speaker 2: You're fighting over that's why I'll say the kids, but like, no,
Speaker 2: it was a fight over money, and I will that's
Speaker 2: that's a never I will never ever do that to
Speaker 2: myself a game.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's that. I mean, that's good advice because
Speaker 1: you could get married, like you said, you could get
Speaker 1: married when you're twenty one and you're both young and
Speaker 1: you're growing, and then one of you can turn into
Speaker 1: a mogul, you can start a company, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's a fight, you know. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely good to have that stuff up front.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that makes the when they're
Speaker 1: kids involved, that makes it even harder, you know, to
Speaker 1: get to a good place when it comes to the kids.
Speaker 1: It's like you're fighting over the money. Now you're being
Speaker 1: bitter and you're fighting over the kids and.
Speaker 2: Right, and you you also need to understand that marriage
Speaker 2: is marriage, and even just any relationship, it's it's a transaction.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, you can't break it down for
Speaker 2: it to be like a business transaction so to speak. Right,
Speaker 2: so you have to decide for yourself, Ladies, how many
Speaker 2: time if you're gonna talk cheating, how many times? It's
Speaker 2: too many times? Like, don't just go down this road
Speaker 2: and say, well, I'm just in a relationship and whatever
Speaker 2: happens happens, and I'll just deal with it when it happens. No,
Speaker 2: you need to set boundaries for yourself. You need to
Speaker 2: set a precedent for yourself because this is your life.
Speaker 2: Don't ever And it's going back to that chem allows.
Speaker 2: He told me, Giselle, live your movie, don't live no
Speaker 2: man's movie. This is your life, this is your road.
Speaker 2: And it's nice if y'all can live the movie together,
Speaker 2: but don't live somebody else's life.
Speaker 1: Have your own love that.
Speaker 2: Yes, No, he didn't say that at five o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning. When you call me about right.
Speaker 1: He was like, what I said about leaving a movie,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean in the club, right, But I mean
Speaker 1: this just word word for the while. So I think
Speaker 1: we've given people a lot of stuff. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: am I And like I said, my final word on this,
Speaker 1: like when we're talking about forgiveness, if you choose to
Speaker 1: take someone back who cheated, then you chose to take
Speaker 1: them back so don't hold those bitter feelings. Moving forward.
Speaker 1: You have to be willing to say, you know what,
Speaker 1: that happened in the past, and we're moving forward from it,
Speaker 1: so you don't need to bring it up over and
Speaker 1: over again. Yep. You don't need to be walking around
Speaker 1: pout and angry. You don't need to be like, well,
Speaker 1: tell me again what happened. Nope, let it go and
Speaker 1: move on. If you choose to stay, then let it go. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not good with that right because I will
Speaker 2: let you live in purgatory for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes it doesn't hurt to remind them what
Speaker 1: they were capable of, or you know, sometimes you like, oh, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: remember when you did that? Okay, Yeah, sometimes it doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt to remind them. But I'm saying, like, don't hold
Speaker 1: onto like the bittern and the pain and the anger
Speaker 1: because it's not going to help you.
Speaker 2: It's not going to help you, and it's not going
Speaker 2: to help the relationship. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: and I got this from Oprah Winfrey, forgiveness is for you,
Speaker 2: forgiveness of what somebody has done to you. It's for
Speaker 2: you it's for your piece, it's for your sanity. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's great for them to know that you forgive them,
Speaker 2: but it's really for yourself, right, absolutely, Okay. So we
Speaker 2: want to always end any of our podcasts with a
Speaker 2: reasonable situation and a shady situation. And to be quite honest, Robin,
Speaker 2: you should be very proud of me because I was
Speaker 2: not shady at all in this second episode.
Speaker 1: I mean you had a little bit little shady, ye,
Speaker 1: a little bit okay, okay, so Robin, but it was reasonable.
Speaker 1: So it's fine, Okay, So do.
Speaker 2: You want to give our So because this podcast is
Speaker 2: about relationships, we wanted to give our reasonable relationships. Yes, okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're going, oh, I'm going to give the shady Okay, good, yes, good,
Speaker 2: so you can get the reasonable.
Speaker 1: So my reasonable relationship goes to Will and Jada Pinkett.
Speaker 1: They have a wonderful relationship with Will's first wife who
Speaker 1: they have a child with. They have a wonderful family unit.
Speaker 1: It seems like, you know, they're they're pretty open with
Speaker 1: their experiences, and I think they are. You know, of
Speaker 1: course we don't know every little detail about what happens
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, but I think what they've shared with
Speaker 1: us is something for us to all, you know, learn
Speaker 1: from and grow from and strive to be if you're
Speaker 1: ever in a situation like that, Yes, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that Will and Jay I mean Will and
Speaker 2: Jada for whatever it's worth, their goals, their relationship goals.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for surely. Okay, So let's talk about some
Speaker 1: shady couples here. You don't have to make some money mass.
Speaker 1: So I have actually a couple, Okay, I have two.
Speaker 2: So first I want to say, and I kind of
Speaker 2: really don't want to say this because she has passed away,
Speaker 2: but Whitney and Bobby.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: And the only reason why I say is shady because
Speaker 2: I was hurt when they broke up. I thought they
Speaker 2: would be together forever because they were both the right
Speaker 2: kind of crazy, right right to make a relationship work
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, see I felt like they were almost
Speaker 1: each other's worst enemy, like they weren't good for each other.
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's that's Roberts shady take. And then we
Speaker 2: have Ray j and Princess. Princess found out that she
Speaker 2: was getting divorced on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it? But now aren't they back together?
Speaker 1: What is that? I feel like I keep hearing a
Speaker 1: makeup a breakup? Okay, I have an issue when couples
Speaker 1: just air out their issues on social media. Stop it,
Speaker 1: y'all anyway, Like, yes, so we could go down the line, right,
Speaker 1: ray J and Princess. Yes, super shady because because the
Speaker 1: problem is when you let the public into your relationship
Speaker 1: problems and then you get back with that person, Well,
Speaker 1: the public did not forget about your relationship problem. Yes,
Speaker 1: because ray Je, I'm side eyeing you, sir, side eyeing you.
Speaker 1: So aren't they back together? I don't know. I'll always
Speaker 1: be shady in mind. But that's the same thing like
Speaker 1: Quavo and Sweetie, Likeabo you was talking about taking a
Speaker 1: Bentley bag boy bye, right, Yes, I had love for you.
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna make you my wife, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: but when people come in, you don't want to hear
Speaker 1: it because but you just let us all in.
Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, we are out of here. We absolutely
Speaker 2: love you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in
Speaker 2: to reasonably Shady. Next week we're probably going to be talking.
Speaker 1: About We're gonna be talking about confidence. Yes, over confidence
Speaker 1: is confidence a killer? When it comes to relationships, you know,
Speaker 1: romantic relationships and friendship and professional relationship and professional relationships.
Speaker 1: So and at some point we're going to start taking
Speaker 1: viewer advice questions.
Speaker 2: Yes indeed, so look out for that on social media,
Speaker 2: because we want to know what you are thinking, what
Speaker 2: you're feeling.
Speaker 1: And we all answer them them shady questions. Thus, all right, girl,
Speaker 1: yes we.
Speaker 2: Will, yes, yes indeed, so all right, bye, see you later.
Speaker 1: Until next week. Thanks for listening.
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