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Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome to the Granger Smith Podcast. Thanks

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Speaker 1: watching if you're watching on YouTube, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining on this journey. It's been it's been a wild ride.

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of episodes. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for all those that have started at the beginning and

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Speaker 1: heard this story and heard me talk to some friends

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Speaker 1: and heard me hear from some really interesting people. And

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Speaker 1: if you're brand new, well thanks thanks for listening. This

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Speaker 1: is such a crazy time, such a wild time in

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Speaker 1: there's so many other other things that we have frian

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Speaker 1: and different pans all over the countertop. Here I want

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Speaker 1: to tell you some of the ways you can keep

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Speaker 1: up with this. Of course, a lot of you guys

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Speaker 1: know the Smiths. You could follow us, me and my

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Speaker 1: family on the Smiths YouTube channel, on the smith YouTube page.

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Speaker 1: You could follow me Granger Smith right here on this

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Speaker 1: podcast every single Monday. This is also where you're going

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Speaker 1: to find our old Doublis Junior's also where you're going

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Speaker 1: to find our truck restoration videos. A lot of you

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Speaker 1: guys have been asking commenting every time you see a

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Speaker 1: you've been saying where is the truck? How where's the truck?

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Speaker 1: In the process of the restoration the seventy four gmc

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Speaker 1: uh and I've I've posted on here before. I feel

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Speaker 1: like i need to tell you guys. First of all,

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Speaker 1: body shop got swarmed with work everybody. Everybody has to

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Speaker 1: understand that they're doing this work for us for free,

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Speaker 1: the cash. So we totally understand that we're on a

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Speaker 1: little bit of delay. But I'm told that as you're

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Speaker 1: watching this podcast this week, we're supposed to get a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff done on that cab, where finally me

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Speaker 1: that series again. You could also find our series live

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Speaker 1: at the EU Farm right here on this YouTube page.

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Speaker 1: But it will be moving soon to a brand new,

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Speaker 1: new and improved EE Nation fan club that is in

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Speaker 1: development that we will be launching very soon and all

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Speaker 1: don't have an official brand sponsorship today for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: so I will talk to you about ee apparel, which

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Speaker 1: I always love to talk to you guys about EEU apparel.

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Speaker 1: I'm right here sitting here at the headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: EE Farm as we speak. This is always a passion

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Speaker 1: project for me, as it has been for many many

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Speaker 1: first of all always thank you guys for joining EE Nation,

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Speaker 1: for being a part of this brand, of this lifestyle

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Speaker 1: that is so much bigger than just music or just

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Speaker 1: Josh Abbott. Welcome to the Grand Smith Podcast. Did Kids

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Speaker 1: in deesel my tires and schools, Long line by four,

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Speaker 1: So I believe it was two thousand nine. We were

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Speaker 1: his name? Josh Abbott. That was the first, the first

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Speaker 1: to Angela was the one that did that, and and man,

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Speaker 1: adjust on his schedule. So we had like we set

428
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: it up to where Thursdays we had to play within

429
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: three hours of Lubbock Max, so we would never take

430
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: a gig pass that. So luckily for us in the

431
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: Texas scene and Lubbock, we would play Amarillo, Midland, Odessa,

432
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: San Angelo, Abilane, Wiched All Falls, or Lubbock's and that's

433
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: what we'd play on Thursday night, and then from there

434
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: we'd rout it right and we'd go to like Dallas,

435
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Hill Country, San Antonio, Austin, and then on

436
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: Saturday we might venture to East Texas Corpus, Houston and

437
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 1: Sunday the long drive all the way back to Lubbock.

438
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: And that's what we did for a couple of years

439
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: living out there, and then we all finally kind of

440
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: moved and relocated in twenty ten when things were hopping

441
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, things were hopping a little bit

442
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty ten is when She's Like

443
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: Texas came out, which was kind of the That's what

444
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: changed the game for us, because not only did we

445
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: have that song, She's Like Texas, which has become just

446
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: kind of a massive regional success story, changed life. It

447
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: changed my life. And then we followed that up with

448
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: the duet I did with an unknown artist at the

449
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: time named Casey Musgraves. And the music video is pretty wild,

450
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: isn't it For everybody listening that doesn't know. Granger and

451
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: his wife are in the music video. And I don't

452
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: want to give away the plot because it's actually like

453
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: a little controversial, and but y'all's makeout scene is still

454
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: it's top notch. That's you know what I mean. It's

455
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: it's it's underrated because, you know, because we were never

456
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: a big band at that time, so it never got

457
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: the attention to deserve. But that's that's a cool music video,

458
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you being in of course. Man. Fun fact,

459
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: Amber was pregnant with London on that shoot, showing yet

460
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: so then she's eight Now. I just remember being like,

461
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: I knew it was your wife, but I was like,

462
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, no, you know, I can't tell the story

463
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: because I don't want to ruin the plot for the video.

464
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: But she was like she did not you know, she

465
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: was like she didn't want to kiss me. And I

466
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: was like, well, look, I don't blame you. It's fine.

467
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: I totally get I'm not here as good looking as

468
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: your husband. This doesn't we're just acting here. I like,

469
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: this doesn't have to be real. And she kissed me

470
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: on the cheek and it worked for the video because

471
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: really it didn't need to be any more than that.

472
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: So well, if you're watching on YouTube, we'll link that

473
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: music video top of description series. That's funny, Yeah, amazing memories.

474
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: So where do you think go back to Texas Country?

475
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: Where do you think it came from? This thing that

476
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: became so huge and so regional and so accessible to

477
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 1: a young musician and so appealing to a fan that

478
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: had a lot of state nationalism. And it wasn't just Texas.

479
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean Oklahoma jumped on sure, Arkansas jumped on board,

480
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: Wesan jumped on board. New Mexico did Oklahoma more so? Yeah,

481
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean I would almost argue they have something different

482
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: than what's Texas Country. We all get closed in together.

483
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: Texas country red dirt country. I think there's two very

484
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: distinct sounds and approaches. So where did all of this

485
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: come from? Well, you know, that's a great question. And

486
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: why I don't pretend to be a historian, I would say,

487
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: you take a look at like, I hope I'm using

488
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: this word correctly. The epistemology m the way we view

489
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: the world, right, I think that's what that means. And

490
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: so in Texas again, we have you know, we come

491
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: from descendants of people who you know, want Texas to

492
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: be their own country again, right, So there's that very

493
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: independent sense among us. So it creates this pride. And

494
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: we're a big state. So that allows geography, for sure,

495
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: for a lot of area to to kind of sing

496
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: about and cover. And you know, honestly, I just think

497
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: some there's always been I don't but I think there's

498
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: always been some sort of disdain for the mainstream radio.

499
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: Which is so funny because you know, I listened to

500
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: old country from the seventies and eighties and I'm like,

501
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: I love this. But at the time, the guys who

502
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: were in the Texas country scene, they knocked on you know,

503
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Terry Allen, you know, He's got a song called the

504
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: Flatland Farmer, who talks about this farmer up in the

505
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: middle of the country who never got famous, but he

506
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: he he can outpick out play in the Nashville Star.

507
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: And we actually covered that song one of our records.

508
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: But anyway, so yeah, I don't know. I don't want

509
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: to get too wordy here. I'm not a historian. I

510
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: bet there are some guys that probably have a better

511
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: understanding of maybe who started it and how it dominoed here.

512
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean I can recite you a bunch of names,

513
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: especially from the Lubbock area, you know, going all the

514
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: way back to like the Flatlanders and even before them. Yeah,

515
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: but the word of mouth is just it's unreal how

516
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: that worked because this was before really social media at all,

517
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: and it was word of mouth that was taking these concerts. Like,

518
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: for instance, I was in College Station in early two

519
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: thousands and I remember seeing Pat Green core Mora was

520
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: opening at Shadow Canyon Old Club there right there on

521
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: the University and it was just packed, I mean slam packed,

522
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: and everyone knew all the words, including me. Everyone had

523
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: the record, including me. Yeah, and then Corey starts the show.

524
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: Everyone knew all the words and everyone had the record,

525
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: and that was just no one thought about it in

526
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: terms of is this guy on the radio or not?

527
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: It was it represented a good time with our friends

528
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: and pat saying about all the He was the background

529
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: music to all of our fun parties that we had,

530
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: and so is Corey. In the year two thousand and

531
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: that became the soundtrack to our lives then. And I

532
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: think there's something attractive about the unknown, right like moths

533
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: to a flame. There's something about that because in the

534
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: process of discovery with music, I mean, don't you even

535
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: still to this day you discover. You might listen to

536
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: a band who has one song and you're like, oh

537
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: my god, I love them. I got to share this,

538
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: right yeah, And you want to be able to You

539
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: want to be the guy to share it with your

540
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: friends and be like, y'all got to listen to this

541
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: because I think this is going to blow up. This

542
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: is huge. You know, I still do it all You're

543
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: really good at that, and well, you know, social media

544
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: platform has always partly been really helping younger artists. I

545
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: love doing it and I think if I was going

546
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: to have a job in the music industry besides being

547
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: a singer, would be A and R because I've just

548
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: always had some sort of natural ability to see a star,

549
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, even when they weren't necessarily shining bright at

550
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: the time. But to me, it's always like you see

551
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: a star, you know it, you know what I mean,

552
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: everyone knew you were super talented. You just had to

553
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: like get out of the Texas country scene and sign

554
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: a record deal and crush it, you know. And seriously,

555
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: hats off to you, because I mean, you've done it.

556
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: You've accomplished so much. My record deal came way later,

557
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: so did yours. Yeah, we didn't sign a record deal

558
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: until twenty fifteen, really, and it's crazy what all the

559
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: stuff that happened before that. It's crazy to think that

560
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: was all brought on by the infrastructure of Texas country,

561
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: for sure. You know. I remember you did a quote

562
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: one you did an interview years ago, and you talked

563
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: about how the Texas country scene was kind of like

564
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: the It was was almost like the miners that would

565
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: prepare for the majors. Quote. You know what, though, I

566
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: didn't think that you were necesscessarily wrong. I think that

567
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: just some people in Texas kind of took it wrong,

568
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: because again, no one wants to feel inferior to any

569
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: other genre or any other state. But I totally got

570
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: what you meant. What you meant by that was it

571
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: trained you to visit radio. It trained you to get

572
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: your band and crew and infrastructure set, and it trained

573
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: you in a way that like when you when you

574
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: signed your record doing you started touring nationally and being

575
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: on like big tours with all these other huge artists,

576
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: you were way more prepared than for that. Then let's

577
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: say the normal act who had moved out to Nashville,

578
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: signed a record deal, had the first song on the radio,

579
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: and then got put on a tour and they had

580
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: no clue how to tour as a band. I have

581
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: no clue what they're doing with their merch absolutely, and

582
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: I totally got what you meant by it. So just no.

583
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I remember you text so fans should know this. You're

584
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: such a good guy. You texted me an apology for

585
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: making that statement, and I remember replying to you like,

586
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: you do not have to apologize for this statement because

587
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I get what you meant, and if people want to

588
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: misconstrue that, then you can't. You can't be responsible for interpretation.

589
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Let me que responsible for intent. I want to take

590
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: a quick break on here, and then I want to

591
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I said in the interview that

592
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: became notorious. So I was this was coming off of

593
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: a national radio hit for me, and a reporter said,

594
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: how do you attribute having this hit coming from nothing

595
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: and having this hit on national radio? And I said, well,

596
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: it came from Texas Country. And he said, well, what

597
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: does Texas Country mean to you? And I said, man,

598
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: it's everything to me. It taught me everything I know.

599
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: It taught me just like you said. It taught me

600
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: how to make my first radio call, how to walk

601
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: into a radio station and say here's me, and here's

602
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: my band, and here's my song. It was the minor

603
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: leagues for everything thing in terms of training. It trained me.

604
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: But that one quote again got screenshot out of an article,

605
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and then it stood. It floated around, and there was

606
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: a couple guys that took it really bad, a lot

607
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: of guys probably were neutral on it, and a couple

608
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: of guys actually defended me. I talked to all of them,

609
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: all the above. I talked to everybody because when that

610
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: came out, it crushed me because I thought, here, I

611
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: am thinking, I'm trying to pay homage. Yeah, to the

612
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: only reason I'm actually standing on this stage. Yea, and

613
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: the whole thing collapsed underneath me. Again. You know, I'm

614
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: not trying to be prophetic, but again, you cannot be

615
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: responsible for interpretation. You have to be responsible for intent.

616
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: Your intent was pure, and anyone that knows you knows that.

617
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: So if anybody wants to misconstrue it and be an asshole,

618
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: they can be an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. And I stand

619
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: to this day saying I have nothing in my music

620
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: career without Texas Country and the infrastructu Sure that it

621
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: taught me the grind that it taught me, the resilience

622
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: and and persistence that it taught me through through a

623
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: lot of times at the at the midnight rodeos when

624
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: we were having a really bad night and I got

625
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: back in the van and decided to go do it again. Yep.

626
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: And a lot of national acts that sign a record

627
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: deal right out of the gate, they don't ever have

628
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: that opporationality to do that. They never do that because

629
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: first of all, they're shielded. Their booking agency and label

630
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: won't let them go put themselves out there and be

631
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: vulnerable and show up and play to nobody. It's not

632
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: their fault. To their credit, they didn't have what me

633
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: and you had, right, They just they hunker down, they

634
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: visit radio, they get a hit, then they go on

635
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: to her, and then they open for somebody who's big.

636
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: So you're naturally in front of crowds, and then you

637
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: get a false, a false reading on how you're doing.

638
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: For sure, there's there's acts that will go for years

639
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: never headlining their own show. I'm not even at a club.

640
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: They spend years on the road with somebody big, and

641
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: they think, I think things are pretty good. I think

642
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: crowd loves me. And then they go out for the

643
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: first time at Cotton Ideas or whatever in Knoxville and

644
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: no one comes and they cannot understand it. And so

645
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: then they just they think they need to rethink their

646
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: whole sound and everything they do. Yeah, and they think

647
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: they have to pander and play a bunch of covers. Yeah,

648
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: exactly right, Like you know what I mean, Hey, let's

649
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, we don't want them to be bored tonight,

650
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: so let's, you know, let's play ten covers or you

651
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: played twenty songs, you play ten covers, you know, And

652
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: I know when you're a young band, you don't have

653
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: a lot of originals, so that's you know, there's something

654
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: to be said for that. But it's like, I mean,

655
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I've gone out and I've seen some of these you know,

656
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: shows of people and I'm like, you know, they might

657
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: have one hit, right, yeah, and they're opening and they're

658
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: playing a twenty five minute time slot. Well, the other

659
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: five songs were covers. I'm like, yeah, you just played

660
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: me five stuff cover songs and then your hit. You

661
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't take this opportunity to show all these people that

662
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: you have more than the one song. So weird and

663
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: we said the right word there there. They haven't understood

664
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: the vulnerability of standing there and delivering an original music.

665
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: And maybe they're not going to clap at you. Maybe

666
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: they're going to go to the bathroom or go get

667
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: a drink, and that is really that kind of rejection

668
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: is really hard. The one of our very I wish

669
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: my band was in here with me because we laugh

670
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: about these stories all the time. One of our first gigs,

671
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: when again we signed with Bruce, he puts us out

672
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: on the road. God bless Bruce. At the time, you know,

673
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: he was still very young and green in his career, right,

674
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: so he's doing the best he can. He books us.

675
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: I think we were getting like five or six hundred

676
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: bucks to play a steakhouse in Madisonville. I always remember that.

677
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: So we go there, we get we get like free food,

678
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: and so that that alone, it's kind of worth it,

679
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: right for a bunch of young dudes. And so we

680
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: set up and play. There's only like three people there

681
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: listening to us, and I kid you not. At one point,

682
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone was in there except for the

683
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: waiter pushing the broom across the floor in front of us,

684
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: like cleaning. And I was like, Okay, we have to

685
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: have a little more pride than this, you know. I

686
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: mean we may be nobody's but yeah, we're not doing

687
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: any good playing to nobody, you know, like we've got

688
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to be We have to get in front of people.

689
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: Send my whole philosophy's flip to I'm going to open

690
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: for everybody and anybody, and I don't care if it

691
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: pays fifty bucks, five hundred bucks, or zero dollars. I

692
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: want to be in front of a crowd, you know

693
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. My goal as a young artist was

694
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: I want to open, and I want people leaving talking

695
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: about the opener, So I would fire up my guys

696
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: every night. We're bringing it tonight. Every night we're bringing it.

697
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: And you know, it works when you're a young band

698
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: and you're a new band and there's an infectious energy

699
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. Absolutely, If you are the first music

700
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: artist I've had on this podcast, really you the first.

701
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm honored you're the first. So yeah, we're getting some

702
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: good conversation. And I've told a lot of stories on

703
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: here about music and U and about those early days.

704
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: But you're the first artist that's backing these stories up

705
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: with me. That's I'm honored. Thanks buddy, of course. Man.

706
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: So outside of Texas Country, you've also over the last decade,

707
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: you've you've made it through being i mean, essentially the

708
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: king of the genre. Maybe we had our moment for

709
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years. I think that we were. It's

710
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: hard to you know, I use that raise that term

711
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: king very cautiously because you know, it's people like who

712
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: they like, and you know, there's a lot of big,

713
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: popular bands. But I do think that you know, in

714
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: Texas Country, there's been a torch that's been passed and

715
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of gone from Pat to Ragweed maybe and

716
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: then to Randy obviously, and I think you know, we

717
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: carried that torch for a couple years of kind of

718
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: being the van in Texas, and man, what a time.

719
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: I wish we could. I wish I could relive those

720
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: days in a way. I wish I wish I could

721
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: relive that success and moment with my life now, if

722
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, because you have a wife and

723
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: a lot differently, And so I was going to say

724
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: that over that course of time being the king of

725
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: Texas Country, you also experienced the same highs and lows

726
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: that any major celebrity would go through in such high demand.

727
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: And you you lived your life out in the open,

728
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: partly because you had to because you were in such

729
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: a huge spotlight. But but I watched you go through

730
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: highs and lows in front of everyone, and through all that,

731
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: my hat's off to you for how for you sitting

732
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: here today and uh and still maintaining the integrity that

733
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: you have as a person and as a friend. But

734
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: you yeah, well, but you've been through some low stuff. Yeah,

735
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and we can dance around it. I can

736
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: just talk about it for a second. I was married

737
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: previously I was a really shitty husband, really shitty. I

738
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: was so focused on my career, I was so selfish.

739
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: I drank way too much every single day, and I

740
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: just had insecurities and I was just a bad person,

741
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: I think for a couple of years there. And so

742
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: we ended up getting a divorce and I deserved it,

743
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: and I think that was a moment where I really

744
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: had to reassess my life, like is this what you

745
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: want with Josh? You know, like, yeah, you've played all

746
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: these sold out shows, Yeah, you got a record deal

747
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: at the time we had one, And it was like,

748
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: but now you've lost you know, the person who really

749
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: loves you and her whole family and a bunch of

750
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: your fans kind of you know, I just don't have

751
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: the same positive view of you. And I'm like, I

752
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: don't want this one thing to define my narrative because

753
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I'm a bad guy. I

754
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: don't think i'm that guy. I think I just I

755
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: was a bad guy for a short amount of time,

756
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: and so it's hard to admit that. But I think

757
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I grew from it in a way where I'm proud

758
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: of where I'm at now. I mean, I don't have

759
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: any issues with the things that I used to have

760
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: issues with, and I have a wife and two kids

761
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: now and life is beautiful in a way that if

762
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: my music career goes away, which right now it is

763
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: right like, no one's doing a career right now. But

764
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if it goes away and I have to

765
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: go get a normal job, I'm actually fine with that

766
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: because I love where my life's at right now. There's

767
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: just a happier place. And so yeah, Highs and Lowe's, man,

768
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of them. And if anyone,

769
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: if anyone doesn't understand, let me, let me paint the

770
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: scene for you. Josh skyrockets to the top of Texas Country,

771
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: and I hope that we've done a good job defining

772
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: what that is. If you don't know what that is.

773
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: But the fact is you you rose so fast from

774
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: the boy that was in Luveck, Texas looking at the

775
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: stage at Randy Rodgers saying I want to do that

776
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: to just a few years later, you're making, you know,

777
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: any kind of tour date sell out. I'm talking if

778
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: there's a festival, you're probably headlining it or or direct

779
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: support or direction. I mean, but you're equal and we

780
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: have no we haven't earned it. Yeah, we have no tenure,

781
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: we have no You know, you have to pay your dues.

782
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: I don't think we paid our dues long enough, and

783
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I think that caught some resentment from the traditional longtime

784
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: fans of the scene, as well as some other bands

785
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: who just honestly didn't like to be They didn't like

786
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: a new gap bypassing them. Yeah. So if you're if

787
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to put yourself in Josh shoes, imagine imagine

788
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: that where you're in such high demand, You're you're fending

789
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: off the haters that don't understand why you've You've come

790
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: up so quickly. You're trying to satisfy everyone that loves

791
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: your music so much. They don't want you to change.

792
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: They want you to just keep spitting out the same

793
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: record over and over. And I'm like those those records

794
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: we put out early on, there's some stuff I love

795
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: about them, but there's a lot I don't like. If

796
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: I could restart my career now, right, I wouldn't put

797
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: a song like Taste out. And that sounds hypocritical because

798
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: if we hadn't put that song out, I don't know

799
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: that I'm here right now, because that song created such

800
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: a magnetic you know following. I mean you could go

801
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: to to the to the to the river or the

802
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: lake or anywhere across Texas after that song came out

803
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: and people were playing it, and you know, but I

804
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't put that song out now. And even a song

805
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: like She's like Texas, I'd polish that up a little

806
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: bit better. There's some there's some lines in there that

807
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: are a little bit understandable, and you can't there. They

808
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: are pieces of history better forever part of you. And

809
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Well. The process informs the results, so

810
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: I can second guess things. Wish I hadn't done certain things,

811
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: but all of these things have led to a moment

812
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: now or I'm good. I live in Tuscaloose, Alabama. On

813
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: the bus We're playing a club that night. I'll never

814
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: forget it. And it was probably three o'clock in the afternoon,

815
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: sitting on the bus, just finished soundcheck, and my crew

816
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: starts kind of grumbling, you're seeing this, you're seeing this.

817
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: It's like, what, Josh, you see this? Josh start passing

818
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: the phone around and you are public on Twitter, Yeah,

819
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: about your your current separation from your current wife. Oh yeah,

820
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: and that was dumb. I wish I could take that back.

821
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because what I was

822
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: about to say is you could have you could have

823
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: lived that privately. But I think I would like to

824
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: think that you inspired a lot of peace people to

825
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: live life in truth and light and honesty. That was

826
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: the goal, it really was. I think what you did.

827
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: That's what I read in those those tweets. It was,

828
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: you know what, this happens a lot. And I promise

829
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm not the only person that's guilty of cheating on

830
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: their wife and being an alcoholic out here on the road,

831
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: and all sorts of other stuff. And I would never

832
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: name names, right, but there are a bunch of other

833
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: people who are guilty of those and have gone through

834
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: divorces themselves. But everyone's so scared keep it so quiet,

835
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: You're right, don't want to damage the reputation. And I

836
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: think that was just a moment for me where I

837
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: was just over the fakeness and was like, I used

838
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: this celebrity path. I use the word celebrity pretty loosely,

839
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, the being in the limelight,

840
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: being in the radio. You know, I mean I'm not saying.

841
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's different levels oferity, you know, but

842
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: if I I the way I felt about it was,

843
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: if I was gonna use that path and trajectory of

844
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of getting my music out there, being on the

845
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: radio and playing shows and being the guy, it would

846
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: be really, you know, disingenuous, fraudulent, whatever you want to

847
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: call it, for me to like not admit my failures too,

848
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: Like this can't just be a narcissistic praise everything I do,

849
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: which is I'm so over the narcissism that I see

850
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: on a daily basis on social media from other artists.

851
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: But you know, and I'm guilty of it too, and

852
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: we're all guilty. There's there's a balance of self promotion

853
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: and narcissism, yeah, because we are still a product. But

854
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: at the same time, you got to be real. You

855
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: gotta be real, and I wanted to be real with people.

856
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: You played a show that night, too, didn't you. I did,

857
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: because it was like a Saturday I played with the

858
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: Randy opened for Randy in Wichita, Kansas, and he immediately

859
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: after I posted I'm on the bus, I'm in the back,

860
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm bawling, and he comes over there and just he

861
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: literally just walks in the backlune and just sits next

862
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: to me, gives me a hug. It's like, hey, buddy,

863
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: I wish you would have talked to me before he

864
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: posted this. You know, he encouraged me to, you know,

865
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: probably the smartest thing in the world be to delete

866
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: it and try to cover up a little, you know,

867
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: a bit and save some face. But it was too late,

868
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: and I just didn't. I was just in I wasn't thinking.

869
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: I was just in a really bad spot. I just

870
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: knew my life was crumbling, you know. I mean we

871
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: were on the record label for a couple of years.

872
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: At that moment, we still hadn't had a single radio

873
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: you know. Here it is, my life's falling apart, and

874
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: it's like Johnny Cash moment for me, you know, and

875
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: walk the line, you know, where you reach that point

876
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, you better get your shit together, dude.

877
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: And so I'd like to think that since then I

878
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: got my shit together, you definitely have, as you mentioned now,

879
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: beautiful wife to beautiful children. And so looking back on

880
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: that tweet, does it not feel like that's part of

881
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: your life and you need it is? But you know what,

882
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: there's also a part of me I went, I cringe

883
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: at the idea of my daughter talking to me about

884
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: it one day. Yeah, dad, how could you do that?

885
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: Why are you such a bad husband to your first wife?

886
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: And you're gonna you still have a long time. And

887
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: another thing is, you know, there's I almost feel like

888
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: I carry a scarlet letter on me. I don't anymore,

889
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: but for years I did. In fact, we when we

890
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: released front Row Seat album, I almost made the album

891
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: cover an a and it for Abbott, but also write

892
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: the scarlet letter. So but it sucks for my wife, right,

893
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: my wife now, who's everything and is so gracious and

894
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: perfect for me in my life and I would do

895
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: anything for her, does it. But I think it sucks

896
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: for her because I put myself out there like that

897
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: and now there's people think like, oh, that's her husband,

898
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, but he oh, I got you? Does that

899
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: for her too? And she probably you know, I think

900
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: she's probably self conscious of some of the things of

901
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: the mistakes I've made in my past and probably embarrassed

902
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: by them. But in the same sense, if I hadn't

903
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: gone through that road, right, I wouldn't be with her

904
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: now and have these kids, and so it's kind of

905
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: like you know you, you you know, people say I wouldn't

906
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: change a thing. I would change some things, right, but

907
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: I would hope that my path got right back to here.

908
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: And when you change things, am I not? Yeah? So yeah,

909
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: I think that you have a long time to come

910
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: up with that answer to your daughter. But it's somewhere

911
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: along the lines of baby. Let me tell you, I

912
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: have made mistakes. I've learned so much. And then I

913
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: learned from those mistakes, and then I got better. And

914
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: then I met your mama and she taught me. She

915
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: changed and I've never known. And then you were born,

916
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: and then I looked into your eyes for the first time,

917
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: and you taught me. I knew kind of love that

918
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was capable of having agreed all

919
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: because of my broken past. I've balled my eyes out

920
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: when my daughter was born the moment I got to

921
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: hold her. I mean I was crying. Same for my

922
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: son too. But really, he'll listen to this one day

923
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: and be like, what the hell did more from my daughter?

924
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: Because you know I I just after going through everything

925
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: I went through, I didn't think that I would have

926
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: a family. I was like that ship sailed. Right, I'm

927
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: just gonna be the single bachelor guy for the rest

928
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: of my life probably, and maybe if I get married

929
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: one day, I'll just marry someone who already has kids. Right,

930
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: So having a daughter in that way was just, uh,

931
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: it changed, just changed everything for me. And I'm proud

932
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: of of my life now and I'm proud of you

933
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: know what we're doing. And you know, we might not

934
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: be our band. We're not probably as popular as we

935
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: used to be, because you know, when you're the it band,

936
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: it only lasts so long, right, it goes away. It

937
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: goes away for everyone right now away everyone who comes

938
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: is the it guy for country music, and he is.

939
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: He is badass and probably going to stay at that

940
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: level for a long time. But at some point he'll

941
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: he'll be the He'll be the guy with five or

942
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: six albums instead of two albums. Right. It also doesn't

943
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: mean he's any happier than you are, are in a

944
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: better place in life than you will. I don't know.

945
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: And you know that, Oh yeah, you do know that. Yeah,

946
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: And ever since I've known you for over a decade,

947
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: you you have a tendency in conversation to kind of

948
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: backfedal and play yourself down a little bit. I do

949
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: you always have? You did that when you were the king. Yeah.

950
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: And and my point to all that is you you have.

951
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: You had that ability to rise so fast and to

952
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: fall in love again and be renewed and then have children.

953
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: You have all that ability. There's nothing to say that

954
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: there's something on the horizon. Isn't even bigger than everything

955
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: in your career wise? I hope so, because I'm so

956
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: proud of the music that we're putting out right now.

957
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: The newest song that we put out, it's called the Luckiest.

958
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: It's how we named our son luck I think it's

959
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: the best song we've ever put out. And the thing is,

960
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: every artist says that, every artist says their newest song

961
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: is the best song they've ever put out. But ask

962
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: me in five years, because I didn't tell you, Luckiest

963
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: is my favorite song. I think it speaks to my life,

964
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: the direction, the gratefulness and my kids and the appreciation

965
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: for everything that's come along the way. You know, that's

966
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: a love song not only do my wife and kids,

967
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: but it's also a love song honestly to the fans too.

968
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: Like right in that song, I don't know that you've

969
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: heard it. It says, you know, I can't believe the

970
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: life I've been given. Yeah, I'm lucky. I know it's true,

971
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: but I feel the luckiest to be loved by you

972
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: so good, and I think that's i' will be able

973
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: to sing that to the fans every night and be

974
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: like lucky because of y'all. Y'all all paid a concert

975
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: ticket price to come here, and some of you bought

976
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: our shirt. There's millions of bands that you could spend

977
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: your money on, and you came to do it for mine.

978
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to take that for grants, especially when

979
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: we get to play again one day. That's going to

980
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: even mean it more to us. Togethers like us that

981
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: people are risking a lot more just to see us,

982
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: and I think we'll even feel that gratefulness even more.

983
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: But man, if you say that your latest song is

984
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: your best, I don't think anything else matters in your past. Yeah,

985
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: you say, Every artist says it, but I don't think

986
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: you can really believe it unless it's real. Yeah, Oh,

987
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: I believe it. You know I believe it. Let's take

988
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: a quick break and then I want to talk about

989
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: possibly post music for you. Let's do it. So politics, Yeah,

990
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: I had to go here. Yeah, everybody, everybody sees that

991
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: I probably post more about politics, and a lot of

992
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: other artists I would say, do you have aspirations in

993
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: the political world, I'll say this, yes, yeah. Even ever

994
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: since I was in college, I thought I wanted to

995
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: be in politics, but I didn't know that I wanted

996
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: to be the politician. When I got out of college.

997
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: Between college and grad school, I actually worked on a

998
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: political campaign on as on a representative campaign, and I

999
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: realized real quick I did not want to be on

1000
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: the political team unless I was the politician. Just a

1001
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: lot of grinding for not a lot of pay, and

1002
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: kind of saw the trajectory of that, and I just

1003
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: I never wanted to move to Washington, d C. Anyway.

1004
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: So I was just kind of quickly like, you know,

1005
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to be in politics, i'm going

1006
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: to be I'm going to stick to Texas and I'll

1007
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: cross that road down down the line. But obviously I've

1008
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: been focused on my career for the last I mean,

1009
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: like I said, we started touring making it serious in

1010
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, so twelve years now. Yeah, you know,

1011
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: been doing it for fourteen. But I think I'm at

1012
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: a point now where it's an interesting like hmm, you know,

1013
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: And I've had talks with Governor Abbit and Senator Cornyn

1014
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: and some other elected officials, and they all know that

1015
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm fifty percent serious about maybe me running for governor

1016
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: one day so Texas could see another Governor Abbit, they

1017
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: could yeah, you know, but I won't run against Governor

1018
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: Abbit now because what did you say, by the way,

1019
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: when you talk to him about it, Hey, things, it's great,

1020
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean obviously you know, what's what's he

1021
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna say? No, Tosh, you would hate this job. No,

1022
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, if you're called to do it,

1023
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: and you he's like, you know, I don't know if

1024
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: there was him that said it, or corn In or

1025
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: someone else, but they're all kind of like the general

1026
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: consensus is. You know, normally, when you're going to be

1027
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: in politics, you really have to work your way up

1028
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: to get that name recognition to be able to climb

1029
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: the ladder. Right, It's where you've got to start local small,

1030
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: you get bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. He's like, you know,

1031
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: you've spent the last twelve years getting name recognition on

1032
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,479
Speaker 1: radio across Texas. You have more name recognition than them.

1033
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: You know a lot of politicians do. So yeah, if

1034
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: you ran, you already have that gone for you. So

1035
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: it's just got it's about, you know, wanting to accept

1036
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: the challenges that come with you know, running for politics

1037
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: and then obviously being elected. So I do entertain the idea.

1038
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: My wife is very against it, really very So I

1039
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: won't run unless she unless she gives me your blessing,

1040
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know if she will because I think

1041
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: she's you know, we have kids, and I think she

1042
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: doesn't want to see my name and some of the

1043
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: things I've done in the past drug out again all

1044
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: across the newspapers. Which it's not like I've you know,

1045
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: it's not like I had a DWI or murdered someone

1046
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: or anything. But I mean, you know, just being a

1047
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: country music singer and kind of going through the stuff

1048
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: I've gone through. You know, she's just afraid there might

1049
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: be a picture at leaks of me smoking though you know,

1050
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: there might be you know, some stories that come out

1051
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: that aren't flattering, right because they were so long ago.

1052
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: But that's what we do, That's what that's what our

1053
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: society does. In elections. In politics, it's nasty and it's

1054
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: find the dirt, even though that has nothing to do

1055
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: with someone's ability to you know, actually you know, create

1056
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: policy and understand it and work with others. But that's

1057
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: what politics is. And so anyway, yeah, long winded answer.

1058
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: I do want to run one day, but only in

1059
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: my wife will let me. So going back to the

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00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: tweet that we talked about, you know, when I was

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00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: in Tesscalus and you're in Wichita. That makes more sense though,

1062
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: to look back and go, yeah, I've had some problems. Yeah,

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00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: there's no right, right, There's no one's gonna come up

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: and go, I know something about Josh. You guys don't know.

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: Ye'll be like tell me, yeah, you know, because you've

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: been very public. That's a good thing. I do still

1067
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: hear stories sometimes about me and they're completely wrong. I

1068
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: mean there's not even one person accuracy to them. And

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00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: it blows my mind because people be mad, be mad

1070
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: at something they've heard from and it wasn't even true.

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00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: Like I'll give you an example. A buddy of mine

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00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: was eating I think he had a Josh Abbat shirt.

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00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: He's a good friend of mine, and he was eating

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00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: at like a Mexican restaurant in Mexican food restaurant in

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: New Bronfols or something like that, and it was either

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00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: the waitress, the bartender or something was like, you know

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00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: you like Josh Ababan. He was like, yeah, yeah, I

1078
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: like his music. You know. Well she was like f

1079
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: that guy, and he's like, why do you say that?

1080
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: And she's like, I heard he's got a kid in

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00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: Abilene that he never accepted or sees and doesn't want

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00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: anything to do with. And I honestly died laughing because

1083
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just not true. So he found

1084
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: out the name of the person who's claiming this right,

1085
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I looked her up on like Instagram

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01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: or Facebook or something like that, and I was like,

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: I've never even met this person, much less created a

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: child with them. Yeah, I don't eve think I've ever

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01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: talked to this person unless it was in a meeting Mary.

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01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: So I mean, like anyway that that I probably shouldn't

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01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: have even told that story. Life be like, Bay, why

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: do you tell these stories? It was like a new

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01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: song a child. Oh no, I'm not right, But it's

1094
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: just funny because again, you just hear stories and you know,

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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: we live in a society where we accept truth at

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01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: immediately right truth bias. We we read something in a

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01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: tweet it's true because someone said it, and that makes

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01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: no sense because there's no credibility to a lot of

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01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. But that's the world we live in. And

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: so you know, headlines and X amount of characters and

1101
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: short fragments they do damage. And so again, I want

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01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: to run for office. I think i'd be great at

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: it because I am a Republican, but I have some

1104
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: democratic views in terms of like social views, you know,

1105
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's time that the Republican Party gets

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: past the antiquated, you know, narratives of being against homosexuality

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: and having the others. Everything on the ticket has to

1108
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: be one ideology, and it's a huge problem. And if

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: that is a huge problem, because if you don't cater

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: to that, you'll lose your you'll lose your base. But

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01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: it's like, well that's you know, that's not what I believe.

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: So I'm like, if I ever ran, i'd be like, yeah,

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Republican because I'm for small government. I'm for

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't want the national government coming

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: in here and tell on Texas how to handle itself.

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: Texas can do handle itself just fine. But in the

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01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: same sense, like I'm you know, let's let's put casinos

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: on the coast. I mean, how many dollars lead this

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: state and go to New Mexico, Oklahoma or Louisiana. How

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Speaker 1: many billions, billions right go across the border to those places. Now,

1121
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: Vegas you don't really count because that's a destination, But

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: how many people drive across these the Texas border to

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01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: go game one these other states? And what if we

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: had some casinos in Texas and what if it was

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Speaker 1: you know, what if there was like a tax on

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01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: it on those casinos, and you know, people that are

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: against it say, we yeah, but you don't, you don't

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Speaker 1: understand what it decimates, what it does to the communities.

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, let's let the communities vote on it,

1130
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, because some of them may be so hungry

1131
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: for economic prosperity that they say, maybe we can manage

1132
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: this responsibly as citizens and police ourselves and not fall

1133
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: victim to some of the entrapments so to speak that

1134
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: occur with you know, with a casino being in your city,

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: and so that legalize marijuana. I mean, why does Texas

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: have to be so behind on it. I mean, there's

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01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: so many states that are done. It does mean people

1138
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: have to do it, and it doesn't mean that we

1139
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: have to just full blown like, hey, any amount is fine.

1140
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: Smoke as much as you want. Like, there's still a

1141
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: lot of rules around it, right, like don't operate a vehicle,

1142
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, don't you can only have x amount and

1143
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: so forth. And it's been proven so many times that

1144
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: it's it's way easier on yourself than alcohol. But we

1145
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: get alcohol is very legal. Gay marriage, homosexual marriage, everybody

1146
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: uses different terms, right, But I mean, why do I

1147
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: care if they get married? Now on a level of

1148
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: church for church and state, I don't think that the

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01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: country or the state should be able to tell a

1150
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: church they have to marry someone because that would go

1151
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: against maybe their their their you know, beliefs system. But

1152
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: if there is a church that says, yeah, we'll marry

1153
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: a gay gobble, why can't they get married? Like, who cares?

1154
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: It does not bother me in my life, you know,

1155
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: why can't they have those rights? Why can't they have

1156
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: the ability to be on each other's insurance and things

1157
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: when they're partners together, Like I just I wonder why

1158
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: we can't reach these compromises, and the hypocrisy of it

1159
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: all is what kills me, is because especially like I'm

1160
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: a Republican, but the Republican party, where the core of

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01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: that is free will, right, small government, free will. We

1162
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: don't want the government tell us what to do. We

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: want less regulations, less laws, right, So why are we like, no,

1164
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: you can't can't be getting married? No, no, you have

1165
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: all these restrictions when it's convenient for some sort of

1166
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: like Christian conservative narrative. But even that I think is outdated.

1167
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of modern Christians, while they necessarily

1168
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, yeah, homosexuality is is okay. I think

1169
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people are now are like, well, you know,

1170
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: the Bible definitely addresses it, but it addresses a lot

1171
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: of things we're all guilty of, right, And That's where

1172
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm at, Like, my sin is no less or worse

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01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: than someone else's, So you're right. And there's a big

1174
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: difference between church and state. And there's no no apostles

1175
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: in the Bible. Never did they ever say we have

1176
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: to overthrow the government the Roman Empire because they're wrong

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01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: and they need to be Christian. In fact, when the

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: Roman Empire did become the Roman Catholic Empire, it actually

1179
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: was still really bad. It's really bad for sure. So

1180
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: that having that separation of church and state, Uh you

1181
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: could you could, you could worship your own way in

1182
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: your own church. Yeah, but the lawmakers could make laws

1183
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to contradict each other. And uh,

1184
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: and we've we've kind of been caught up in that

1185
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: a lot. And you know, it's just like there's all

1186
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: these you know, hypocrisies of the left too. I mean,

1187
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: there's there's so many right the Party of tolerant, but

1188
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: they don't want to be tolerant of people who don't

1189
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: believe what they believe, which makes no sense at all. Right,

1190
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: And uh, you know in today's culture that we live

1191
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: in now, we see these race riots occurring, and we

1192
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: see Black Lives Matter as a political agenda and and

1193
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, a movement, and there's a balance to it

1194
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: all because you have to the way you have to

1195
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: tread that right, like, you know, black lives do matter, right,

1196
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: all lives do matter. And but you can't but you

1197
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: say one it alienates the other something and I do

1198
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: think that there's probably some sort of yeah, institutional racism

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: that kind of still exists as a byproduct or from

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01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: trickling down over the years, right like laws that weren't

1201
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: place years ago, that have just kind of only gone

1202
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: away in little bits, and today they're you know, I

1203
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: do think that it's very obvious that the African American

1204
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 1: the black community is you know, covered in poverty and

1205
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: they need a hand and and you know, I don't

1206
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: know how to fix that. But I think when it

1207
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: really angers me when I see Republicans who don't think

1208
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: it's a big don't think it's a problem. Of course

1209
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: it's a problem. What you just said is interesting because no,

1210
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: this is that you said the exact sentence that no

1211
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: politician is allowed to say. Right now, I don't know

1212
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: how to fix that. Oh, but yeah, that's what we

1213
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: want them to say. We want we want someone to

1214
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: finally tell us. I don't know how to fix that,

1215
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: but I'm working on it. I'll put it. I'm putting

1216
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: all the best people I know on this, and we

1217
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: will figure it out. Right now, I don't have an answer.

1218
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: I just realized it's a problem. But they always feel

1219
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: like they have to talk they always feel like they

1220
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: have to communicate like a solution, and sometimes it's I

1221
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know if I have a solution, and I don't

1222
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: know if my solution is the best one, but here's

1223
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: what we have, you know, and and so. But in

1224
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: the same sense, you know, these I think the rioting

1225
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: and the burning and the looting and all that is

1226
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: just it's really just painting and perverting what is a

1227
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: what can be a really positive moment in history for

1228
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: civil rights, you know. And uh, I think it's okay

1229
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: for Republicans to go, yeah, you know, clearly there's some

1230
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: sort of you know, there's some sort of reason that

1231
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: African American men are being killed at the rates that

1232
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: they are by police officers. And I know that I'm

1233
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: getting into such deep stuff, right. I know that there

1234
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: are people who listen to the podcasts who say, well,

1235
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: you have what about black on black crime? Yeah, but

1236
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: that's we're not talking about black on black crime. We're

1237
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: not talking about white on black crime. We're talking about

1238
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: police and African American men, and there is some sort

1239
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: of weird correlation there, and I think we have to

1240
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: address that, you know. But in the same sense, I

1241
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: can't I don't personally feel like I can go out

1242
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: there and post and tag black lives matter, because even

1243
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: though yes, those three words aligned together, Yes, for sure

1244
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: they do, but it's become a political movement, and that

1245
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: political movement accepts dollars and it becomes a pack and

1246
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: donates money to, you know, candidates across the country that

1247
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: I might not support, And I don't want to be

1248
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: bullied into sup you cannot something that I don't want

1249
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: to support. So you know, if you if you act

1250
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: one way, or you're racist. If you act another way,

1251
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: you're not. And I just think the whole thing is bullshit.

1252
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: I think, why can we not just look at this

1253
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: from a lens of common sense and agree that, you

1254
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: know what, there's some truth to both sides, and let's

1255
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: find the real truth in the middle. So what's a

1256
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: reasonable timeline your wife willing that we could see Josh

1257
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: Abbot on a ticket one day, I don't know, I

1258
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: mean ten years, fifteen years. If she told me I

1259
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: could run in twenty twenty two and Governor abbotstep wasn't

1260
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: going to run for reelection, I would run. I just

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: don't want to run against Governor Abbot because you know,

1262
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: and we have shared the same last name. First of all,

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: it would be just very confusing. Thanks for voters, it

1264
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: really would be. Yeah, And I like Governor Abbit, and

1265
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: he's in a weird spot right now because the whole

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Speaker 1: world is looking at him because Texas you know, opened

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: up quote unquote two soon and we saw COVID rates

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: spike up again, and then he had to come in

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01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: and do something he didn't want to do, and that

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: was shut the state back down. So he's it's like

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Speaker 1: he's damned ivy, dude, damnit Ivy doesn't like, he's got

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01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: both sides mad at him because he hasn't done it

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote the right way. And I'm like, he's in

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: a no end spot. Let's all show him some grace.

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: This is an unprecedent in time and history, Like this

1276
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: is weird, weird. The most developed country, you know, developed

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: nation developed in this time of the world and we're

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: undergoing this weird pandemic that you know, really sets us

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: back to you know, times decades ago. Right Like it

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: feels like I feel like we're living in the nineties again,

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: where every mills at home and no one travels and

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: goes out and yeah, you know, I'm rambling now. But

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01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: you asked about the if I would run. Yeah, I'm

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: run in twenty twenty, and my wife would let me. Yeah,

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01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: but I don't see her change in her mind in

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, and I think Governor Abbit

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: will run for reelection, So whenever the next one would

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: be twenty twenty six, twenty thirty, twenty thirty sounds good man,

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01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: it's ten years from now, right, Yeah. Wait, I'm off

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01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: on my years. I'm a dumb as far as when

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: the election years are. I know I'm not off on

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: my years because he's not running for governor right now,

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01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: and it's twenty twenty now it's president's Yeah, so every

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: other twenty two, I think, is when he's up, and

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: then it would be twenty twenty six and twenty thirty,

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01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: so who knows. Maybe in twenty thirty that's the year

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Speaker 1: that I run for governor. And let's get that ee

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01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: Nation vote. We'll bring you back on there. Rekindle that

1299
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: how many of your fans are so bad at me

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: right now for some of my viewpoints. But that's the

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01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: thing is, I would just hope that people could listen

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: to the approach I'm coming from because I don't come

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01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: from a very polarizing viewpoint of very far right or

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01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: very far left. I'm more right than left, but I'm

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01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: closer to that middle, and I'd love to see more

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01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: people get there and go. Yeah, man concede that point.

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01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people could use a little

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01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: common sense when it comes to politics, and it doesn't

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01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: exist right now on either side. Yeah. We'll bring you

1310
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: back on the podcast in twenty thirty to rekindle that,

1311
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: hopefully many times between now and then. But I'll end

1312
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: with this too. The one the one fraternity that me

1313
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: and you both belonged to that neither one of us

1314
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: wanted to get into, was we lost our dads. I

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: lost my dad in twenty fourteen, and the first show

1316
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: I played back was with you in South Padre Island,

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: Texas and opened up for you, remember, And it was

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01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: a terrible show for me personally, in a great crowd,

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01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: terrible show for me personally. I was just really going

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01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: through the motions, and me and you had a good

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: talk after the show. One year later, right this sever

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 1: What year was it? My dad died in twenty seventeen,

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: but it was March, that's right, So same month March

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: Texas Independence Day. Yeah, my dad was March fifth, so

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01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: the the night of the the invasion of the Alamo

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01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: or the the the night and they breached the walls.

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01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: So I, uh, I have this connection with you because yeah,

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: I remember I reached out to you and you lost

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01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: your dad a similar way that I lost mine. And

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01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: it was I don't know why that I that I

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: took that really hard with you. And I guess now

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01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: knowing that it was three years but the same month,

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: three days apart, maybe it was that point in my

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaker 1: life where I had kind of come to an understanding

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: that he was gone, and then you lost your dad,

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Speaker 1: and it just, like I said, I don't know why,

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: but it just really hit me hard. And I remember falling.

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: We're friends and we empathize with each other, and I

1339
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: remember bawling, balling, and I was I'm not a crier.

1340
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm not, and I don't just ball all the time,

1341
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: but man, I really cried, real tears thinking about your dad,

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01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: who I had never met. And I remember thinking that

1343
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 1: where's the sadness coming from? It? It's not my dad

1344
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: that I'm sad about. It's not rekindling an old feeling.

1345
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: I think it was me knowing your heart and how

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: crushed it was. Was so devastating to me to know

1347
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: that someone else, a buddy, would spend a night like that. Man,

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even talk about it still. It's

1349
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: been three and a half years and I choke up.

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01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: That was definitely the hardest moment of my life. He

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01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: didn't get to meet my daughter. She was born two

1352
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: months after he died. She was born May fifth. He

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01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: passed away March second, so I think we buried in

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: March sixth. So, man, just rough time. That was a

1355
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: weird year. We followed that up with and it's just

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: so much change, Right, my dad died, had a baby,

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01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: and my wife and I got engaged. You know, our

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: story might not be the the Christian movie story of

1359
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, high school sweethearts that fell in love, got

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01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: married and then had kids. We dated for a year

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: and we were definitely in love. I already knew I

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01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: wanted to marry her. I'd already told my parents that,

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: I'd already told some of my team that. But yeah,

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01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: we got pregnant first. And so anyway, and in that fall,

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01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: we released the album Until My Voice Goes Out, and

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01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: we were in Vegas for the shootings, and luckily, fortunately

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01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't down there. I had just left, probably thirty

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01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: minutes before, to go back to the hotel room to

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: check on my wife, who was up there not feeling well.

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Speaker 1: And the whole reason she came out was to see

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Speaker 1: Jason Aldan. She's like a big fan, right, yeah, big

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: fan of all countries, so she wanted to watch Jason Aldan.

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: She comes out there and she wasn't feeling good, so

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01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: she stayed in the hotel, and so I went to

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: check on her. And that's why I was not on

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01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: the side of the stage or backstage when that happened.

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01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: And maybe my story is a lot different right now

1378
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: if I was so so many what ifs. And I

1379
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: appreciate your heart and saying that about my dad, you know,

1380
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't want to get into a

1381
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to try to compare situations at all.

1382
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: But I remember when you suffered a loss. Yeah, I

1383
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: bawled once again. We were kind of connected with that too,

1384
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: because we had seen each other a few days before

1385
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: and you took a picture of me and riv and

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01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: texted it to me. Yeah, and that's why did I cry.

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01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: Several times. We just our hearts broke. That was one

1388
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: of the last picks. Yeah that I have me and him.

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01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: You took it at Lone Start Jam and so yeah,

1390
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: we we have. You know, I don't want to, I

1391
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: don't want to end like on this kind of note.

1392
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: But but me and you have really intertwined history, some

1393
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: highs and some really lows. And I like to think

1394
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: that we're not even halfway done with with our history,

1395
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: me and you together and uh and I just I

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,919
Speaker 1: appreciate you driving over here for this, for this podcast,

1397
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: and I hope that we get to do it. It's

1398
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: my first musical artist. I hope we get to do

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01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: it many more times down anytime. Ye