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Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better than that horn. Unleash the

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Speaker 1: by Santan Ford and Gilbert Paul kelbc, Ron Wolfley and

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Speaker 1: Here and Darren, let me just say this justin Piusa

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Speaker 1: And then today, wolf did you see if you go

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Speaker 1: were rolling those first nine games, and I think the

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Speaker 1: offense went down with it, the lack of that run

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Speaker 1: game to get the play action and keep a defense

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Speaker 1: on us. But it's the inability to beat the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You lost two more. The Niners really schemed it up

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Speaker 1: in weeks sixteen, and you struggled against Kyle Shanahan's scheme

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Speaker 1: and Robert Sala and then the Seahawks made their adjustments

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Speaker 1: and came back and won the rematch. So that's my

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Speaker 1: one big fear, guys to me is have you made

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Speaker 1: any ground up in the division? Nasholly, Honestly, though you're

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Speaker 1: you're right, I get what you're saying. But if you

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Speaker 1: would have told me the defense was going to be

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Speaker 1: number thirteen in total yards per game and number eight

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Speaker 1: and total yards per play and number twelve in points aloud,

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Speaker 1: they should have been a lot better than they were.

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Speaker 1: We name names next on the Big Red Range presented

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Speaker 1: by Santan Ford in Gilbert empty backfield of hurt in

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Speaker 1: two at the twenty, god Gum snapped to Murry, dropped

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Speaker 1: back and draw fires left side Hopkins. DeAndre Hopkins puts

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Speaker 1: his hand, somebody catches it and it's a touchdown. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea how he caught that fall. The sickle

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Speaker 1: is how he caught that football, took those two heads,

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Speaker 1: stuck it up into the air, and snapped the pig

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Speaker 1: on a fade route. What a great catch by DeAndre Hopkits.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anybody else in the NFL

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Speaker 1: who makes that catch. The Harvester of Sorrows. That was

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Speaker 1: the standout grab. He had nine catches of bucks sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: the game winning touchdown right new gloves after he had

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Speaker 1: that early fumble in the game and he flicked away.

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Speaker 1: But Wolf, I love the call Harvester of Sorrows, and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't the only one. If memory serves, you got

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Speaker 1: a text from Hoopie your mom, didn't you? Yeah? I did,

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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, Paul, And she's a big

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Speaker 1: d hop fan. There you go, okay, and she liked

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Speaker 1: the call too. You won't say sorrows all, will. We'll

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Speaker 1: let Darren Urban say it as well. I'm the big

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Speaker 1: red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. It's all

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Speaker 1: about you, Darren Urban, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.

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Speaker 1: In this Cardinals offense, that was a high point against

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Speaker 1: the Eagles thirty three twenty six win. They had five

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Speaker 1: hundred twenty six total yards. But as I think it

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Speaker 1: was Buddha Baker said, this season was a roller coaster ride,

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Speaker 1: and we saw other games where they didn't have that

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Speaker 1: sort of production. So what do you think, Darren, once

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Speaker 1: again from the top twenty seven unrestricted free agents on offense,

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Speaker 1: where do you start? Well, I mean, I think with

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Speaker 1: the way things are set up, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: you got to figure out what you're gonna do with

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick Number one. I mean, I think edge rusher

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Speaker 1: is a place where you want to make sure you

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Speaker 1: stockpile the best you can. You have Chandler Jones going

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Speaker 1: to the last year of his deal next year, and

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Speaker 1: he's going to be coming off an injury, and he's

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Speaker 1: getting up there in age to the point where you

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Speaker 1: have to wonder about what you're gonna do with his

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Speaker 1: next contract. You know, in Hassan Reddicks at a nice age.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's twenty six and he's had twelve and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks and you finally had the number first

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Speaker 1: round and pick payoffs. So what do you do with

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick? Do you pay him, what's his market going

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Speaker 1: to be? Is Marcus Golden your backup plan there? Do

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Speaker 1: you somehow try and keep them both? I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's possible, but we'll see, you know, what do you

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Speaker 1: do in that direction? And then I guess number two

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Speaker 1: would probably be how you handle Patrick Peterson and that

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Speaker 1: that's not just because it's Peterson, but also because you

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Speaker 1: know he you're two starting cornerbacks of both free agents.

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Speaker 1: Draker Patrick's also a free agent. You don't know what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get out of Robert Alford, and you know,

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Speaker 1: cornerback tends to be kind of an important position, guy,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's probably your other big one at

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Speaker 1: this point. Well, what do you think the market is

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Speaker 1: going to be on those two guys? Let's start with

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Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick. Pro Football Focus put out their top one

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Speaker 1: hundred free agents a son. Reddick was eighty seventh, one

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Speaker 1: of four Cardinals on the list, and they said they

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Speaker 1: expect him to get a one year deal from Carolina

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Speaker 1: for eight point five million. Yeah, all right, Paul, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't know what to say on this.

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Speaker 1: I really don't us It's a difficult proposition. Hassan Reddick.

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Speaker 1: I so impress with Hassan Reddick. You know how much

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Speaker 1: I have an affinity for this guy personally, PAULI what

508
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Speaker 1: a great kid he is. I'm a huge fan of Hassan.

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Speaker 1: They put him out on the edge and let him

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Speaker 1: just use all that talents, everything that he did at Temple.

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Speaker 1: Basically we all know off the ball is not his thing.

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Speaker 1: On the line of scrimmage is his thing. Coming off

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Speaker 1: the edge, he did a great job. He's been up

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Speaker 1: and down, He's been in so many different systems, so

515
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Speaker 1: many different defensive coordinators, and yet somehow, some way he

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Speaker 1: went out there and had a double digit sack season

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Speaker 1: and led the Cardinals. Obviously in that regard. Now, having

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Speaker 1: said all of that, I think somebody is going to

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Speaker 1: give Hassan Raddick money that the Arizona Cardinals are gonna

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Speaker 1: have to walk away. That's just a gas. I have

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Speaker 1: no hard fast role on that, Paul. It's just a gas,

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Speaker 1: and that is the fear he'll get like Olivier Vernon money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there'll be some team so desperate for a pass rusher

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Speaker 1: and they'll have the cap room. So okay, we'll see

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Speaker 1: about that. He definitely wants to stay, at least that's

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Speaker 1: what he says. As for Patrick Peterson, another guy, Darren

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Speaker 1: who says he wants to stay. And look, we saw

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Speaker 1: some games where pat piece shut down DK metcalf and

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Speaker 1: then we saw their games where they didn't hesitate throwing

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Speaker 1: his way. He just got his worst coverage grade since

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven according to Pro Football Focus. He had an

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Speaker 1: NFL high eleven penalties against him. But the Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: a serious need a corner, don't they. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's a position that you're always looking at anyways. And

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, even if they find a way to keep

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Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, who I think is still a solid cornerback

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Speaker 1: in this league, if not where he used to be,

538
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Speaker 1: you're still going to have to know what your other

539
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Speaker 1: starter is across from him. And do you go in

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Speaker 1: the draft and you know, is Bayern Murphy going to

541
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Speaker 1: stay in the slot, because if he's best suited there,

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Speaker 1: then again you need that other starter. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's a position that they're going to have to address

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. But if Peterson ends up leaving,

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Speaker 1: it just becomes, you know, very obvious that they have

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Speaker 1: to address how about Marcus Golden, Guys, Darren Marcus Golden,

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Speaker 1: what do you think is that contingent on Hassan Reddick. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, you're only gonna have so much money

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Speaker 1: to spend. The one thing about Marcus is he's now

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Speaker 1: been in a situation where two times he's gone into

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Speaker 1: free agency. Both times he didn't get the offers that

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Speaker 1: he wanted. It's like he had a giant statistical season.

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Speaker 1: You know he wants to stay here. He's made that

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Speaker 1: very clear, and it would be awesome if you could

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Speaker 1: have a trio of him and Hassan Reddick and Chandler Jones.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if you're going to be able

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Speaker 1: to have the money for that. And again, I think

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Speaker 1: Marcus is in a position right now, and especially since

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Speaker 1: you know he wants to stick around, you probably figure

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Speaker 1: out what you're gonna do with Hessan Reddick first and

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Speaker 1: then kind of go from there. I think that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: It's again, I don't want to rule out that you

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Speaker 1: could keep them both, but just with the circumstances the

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Speaker 1: way they are, that would seem difficult to me. What

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Speaker 1: do you think about Jordan Phillips and the future of

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips here. I know he signed under contract through

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Speaker 1: what twenty twenty three is a matter of fact, he's

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Speaker 1: signed under contract. But I would have to say it

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Speaker 1: was a disappointing season for Jordan Phillips this year. Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on this dirt, I would agree with that. I mean, clearly,

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Speaker 1: he was hurt most of the time, which is never good,

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Speaker 1: and you probably wanted to see a little bit more

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Speaker 1: out of him when he wasn't there early in the season,

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Speaker 1: especially for a guy that you were, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: counting on to be went your big ticket free agent signing,

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Speaker 1: and so I don't know what happens there. That was

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Speaker 1: kind of the fear with him a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: he insisted that you know, people that were calling him

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Speaker 1: a one hit wonder going into his contract year last year,

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Speaker 1: that you know that wasn't him and he wanted to

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Speaker 1: show it. And I think he's going to have a

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Speaker 1: lot to prove this next season, at least staying healthy

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Speaker 1: and being able to make an impact. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's going anywhere. I think you need to see if

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Speaker 1: he can still anchor the middle of that line. But

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Speaker 1: you're going to need more from him I would think,

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Speaker 1: and there's no doubt the Cardinal's going to have used him.

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Speaker 1: For example, in that Week sixteen lossing. It's the Niners

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Speaker 1: when they ran for two twenty seven and they're missing

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Speaker 1: out only him, but but Corey Peters, as you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you make of Corey Peters, Darren

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00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: considering the leadership? There's nobody more respect in that locker room.

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Speaker 1: But he's also well into his thirties and not coming

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Speaker 1: off an a cl I would think, I think would

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Speaker 1: I think would think Corey would want to stay, and

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Speaker 1: I would think they'd want to keep him around for

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Speaker 1: the reasons you just stated. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: left in his role, but given his age and the

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Speaker 1: injuries he's had, I don't know if there would be

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Speaker 1: a giant market for him. So to me, he's one

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Speaker 1: of those guys that I think you would be able

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Speaker 1: to figure something out to keep him around, which I

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Speaker 1: think would be helpful because I do think they missed

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Speaker 1: him in the locker room after he got hurt. Dear,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about Lucky Foeto and Richard Lawrence

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Speaker 1: in regard to their rookie seasons and where the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals think they are in terms of being rotation players

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Speaker 1: going forward. Well, I mean I think I think, folks,

609
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Speaker 1: you started flashing a little bit more. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence kind of got derailed. I thought Lawrence was showing

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00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: something early and then he got hurt, and that tends

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Speaker 1: to make it harder, especially for rookies that didn't have

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Speaker 1: any kind of offseason work. But I mean, when you

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Speaker 1: spend those kind of when you spend draft picks on

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Speaker 1: those on defensive linemen. Again, we've just gone over four

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Speaker 1: defensive linemen here, and it's it's an area that they

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Speaker 1: actually they were trying to make better that they addressed

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Speaker 1: hard in the offseason and then it still didn't quite

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Speaker 1: work out the way they wanted, as Paul is mentioning

620
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Speaker 1: late in the year. So, um, you have to hope

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Speaker 1: Lawrence is a guy that can stay healthy. Um, and

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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully there's there and you hope that they

623
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Speaker 1: can grow a little bit, and you hope that Brenton

624
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Speaker 1: Butner is a guy that can continue to draw it

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00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: out of them. You know, again, when we're talking about

626
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Speaker 1: the position, even like Zach Allen, Zach Allen flashed finally

627
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Speaker 1: at the end of that year, But you need a

628
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: third round pick like that to really step forward. They

629
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Speaker 1: need to They need to have one of these guys.

630
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Speaker 1: These mid round defensive linemen really like shine and it

631
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be all of them. That's not how

632
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: this usually works, but it would be really nice if

633
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Speaker 1: one step forward and you really found a diamond in

634
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Speaker 1: the rough and the rough and it'd be a shocker, right, guys,

635
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: if Devandre Campbell was back, just based on the position

636
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Speaker 1: he plays and who they drafted behind him and Isaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 1: it would be to me, Yeah, disagreed. We did Isaiah

638
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Speaker 1: Simmons get enough snaps on defense for your liking this year?

639
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Speaker 1: Oh No, I wanted to see Isaiah Simmons get a

640
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: whole lot more. But I trust the hierarchy. I trust

641
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Speaker 1: Vans Joseph in determining whether or not he was deserving

642
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: of those snaps, Polly, So once again, you've got to

643
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: go out there. Listen, everyone wants to win games in

644
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. They don't sit players that are

645
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Speaker 1: worthy of going out and getting a huge amount of snaps.

646
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Speaker 1: They don't sit guys like that. They play guys that

647
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Speaker 1: give them a better opportunity to win Isaiah Simmons has

648
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Speaker 1: got a lot to prove going forward, but I think

649
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: he'll do that because I liked what I saw from

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00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: him this year. He showed he can be physical as

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Speaker 1: well offense. Next on the big red rage presented by

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00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Santan Ford in Gilbert pretty step drop in trouble as

653
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: Jones and he bubbles the balls Hope down when he

654
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: recovers it. Hassan Reddick with the sack and the script

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00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: short set Precker coming. Jones is sacked by Hassan red Yeah.

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00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick coming off the edge right Jun's back to

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Speaker 1: throw hidden sacked inside the five yard line. He fumbled

658
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Speaker 1: the ball. It's recovered by the Giants. Reddick and Golden

659
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: were both back there again. Pressure coming and guess who's

660
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Speaker 1: got him. Hassan Reddick with his fourth sack. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: he did it again to the boy back to throw.

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Speaker 1: Pressure coming, sack by Reddick and he forced the fumble.

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Speaker 1: That's his fifth sack of the day. Man, Hassan Reddick

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Speaker 1: has honed the New York Giants here today and because

665
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: of that, he owns the Cardinals all time single game

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Speaker 1: sack mark. Think about that in the team record book.

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00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: He had five sacks, he had three fourths fumbles, he

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00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: had five tackles for a loss. So well done, Hasson Man.

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Speaker 1: That was an unreal performance. And you know it ended

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Speaker 1: up the year with twelve and a half sax and

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Speaker 1: twenty tackles for loss. And he's gonna be a big

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Speaker 1: time free agent. We'll see what happens. Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 1: has him number eighty seven on the Top one hundred

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Speaker 1: free ag we're breaking down the roster. In fact, Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban joins us here on the Big Red Range presented

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Speaker 1: by Santan Ford and Gilbert. You go to Acy Cardinals

677
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: dot com. You can see his breakdown position by position,

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Speaker 1: naming names. On offense, d you got Kelvin Beecham number

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Speaker 1: seventy five in terms of the Pro Football Focus Top

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Speaker 1: one hundred, Kenyan Drake number seventy seven. You tell us

681
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Speaker 1: where do you start when it comes to question marks

682
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Speaker 1: and players going forward? On? Oh, well, on offense, the

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Speaker 1: first guy that comes to mind at this point would

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Speaker 1: probably be Kenyan Drake because you've got to kind of

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Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do a running back,

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Speaker 1: and you know, is Kenyan Drake a guy you want

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Speaker 1: to try and keep around. Do you try and get

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00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: a little bit cheaper there to pair with Chase Edmonds?

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Speaker 1: Does you know Benjamin fit in at all? What about

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Ward who had to touchdown in the last game.

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to figure some things out. But

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Speaker 1: that's a position where frankly, most teams, and I think

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are going to be in this group after

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Speaker 1: what happened with David Johnson, where I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: going to spend it on the money on running backs,

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Speaker 1: and not that Drake will necessarily have a giant market,

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00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: but he made eight million dollars on the tag on

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Speaker 1: the tag this year and I don't see them paying

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Speaker 1: that to him. So if he's gonna want that, I

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00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 1: would think he might have to go elsewhere, and it'll

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00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how that plays out. But I

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00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: mean to me, honestly, Paul, the biggest issue on offense.

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Speaker 1: You talk about Beacham, but you drafted Josh Jones. I'm

704
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Speaker 1: assuming you're hoping he can step in at some point.

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Speaker 1: You have Marcus Gilbert coming back, who still has a

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Speaker 1: year left on his contract, so I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Beacham comes back. I think the big thing is are

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Speaker 1: you going to be able to what are you going

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Speaker 1: to do a wide receiver? You're gonna go and get

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Speaker 1: a second wide receiver that might be able to work

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Speaker 1: with DeAndre Hopkins, because I just don't know at this

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Speaker 1: point if Christian Kirk is a guy that you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's still important to this offense, but perhaps

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Speaker 1: more like a number three rather than trying to rely

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Speaker 1: on him as number two. And of course we don't

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00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen with fits. Boy. That really

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00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: was difficult, wasn't it. I mean, the wide receiver room overall.

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Speaker 1: I had so many expectations coming into this season with

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Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, of course, at Christian Kirk, and then Christian

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Speaker 1: Kirk got off to such a great start as well. Man,

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Speaker 1: you were looking at that eleven personnel, one back, one

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Speaker 1: tight end, three wide receivers, Arizona Cardinals aren't going to

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Speaker 1: light it up offensively, and it just never seemed to

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Speaker 1: come together. It never seemed to mesh and be consistent

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Speaker 1: all season long here, and we saw some guys that

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00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: did not develop as well. Andy Isabella is a guy

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Speaker 1: that comes to mind right now now. I think when

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Speaker 1: you compare twenty nineteen to twenty twenty. In terms of

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Speaker 1: catching the football, Andy Isabella, it was night and day better.

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Speaker 1: It's not even close to me in terms of catching

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Speaker 1: the ball, but he did not get the opportunity and

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Speaker 1: at the end he faded. Why is my question to you, well,

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Speaker 1: I wish I knew that wolf again, not being around,

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Speaker 1: not being able to talk to Andy Isabella or the coaches.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, it's really hard to know. But there's

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Speaker 1: no question you know he was Once Larry Fitzgerald came

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Speaker 1: back from the COVID and Keishaw Johnson had been playing.

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Speaker 1: It was Keyshawn Johnson that kept that extra spot in.

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Speaker 1: Isabella had been inactive. And I know they had a

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Speaker 1: ton of problems on offense in the finale, but no,

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Speaker 1: Christian Kirk had Larry Fitzgerald in that last game because

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Speaker 1: of injury and COVID and Andy Isabella was active and

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: he had three offensive snaps. Yeah, And that just tells

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00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: me a ton right now. And the question is is

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Speaker 1: is next year a big year for Andy Isabella or

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Speaker 1: have they already seen everything that they want to see

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Speaker 1: from Andy Isabella And are they going to end up

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Speaker 1: moving on or trying to find something else? And I

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Speaker 1: think that's a huge question as we go into this offseason,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they try a new wide receivers coach because

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00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: CBS reporting today the Cardinals have fired wide receiver coach

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00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: David Rye. So we'll see about that. But there's no question, guys,

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Speaker 1: when you're playing the Rams, for instance, and Jalen Ramsey

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Speaker 1: has given d Hop everything he can handle, or maybe

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Speaker 1: Week sixteen when d Hop just doesn't quite have that

756
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: chemistry with Kyler and he only has eight grabs away

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00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: his eight grabs but for only forty eight yards and

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00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: he's held out of the end zone, that they need

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Speaker 1: another legit receiving option. Do they not Wolf Whether whether

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00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: that somehow is Larry and they figure out a better

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Speaker 1: way to use him and get them more targets. But

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Speaker 1: he wondered to what degree they're gonna target that receiver

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Speaker 1: either high in the draft and or in free agency.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting because the Houston Texans, as

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Speaker 1: you guys know, the Houston Texans went out and they

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Speaker 1: got Will Fuller. They brought in Wolf Fuller because they

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Speaker 1: wanted him over the top of DeAndre Hopkins. They brought

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Speaker 1: in Kenny Stills because that wasn't enough for them. They

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Speaker 1: wanted another guy that had incredible speed four three speed

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Speaker 1: over the top of d hop as well, because as

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Speaker 1: we all know, d hop is not a guy that's

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Speaker 1: just gonna run by you. He's still a deep threat,

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Speaker 1: very much like Larry Fitzgerald used to be a deep threat,

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Speaker 1: because you can still throw the ball up to him

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00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: when he's covered, just throw it up. A fifty fifty

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00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: ball really isn't a fifty fifty ball when you throw

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Speaker 1: it up to DeAndre Hopkins. It's more of an eighty

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Speaker 1: twenty or a ninety ten. It's certainly seen that way

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Speaker 1: this year. So I'm not trying to say that d

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Speaker 1: hop is not a deep threat. He still is a

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Speaker 1: deep threat, no doubt. But man, you need some aid,

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00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: comfort and shelter over the top of him, some great

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Speaker 1: speed where he can work that intermediate magic. And Dan

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00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: Arnold had that stretch Darren of four games where he

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00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: had four touchdowns of that four game stretch, but otherwise

786
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: there was a lot of, you know, a lot of

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00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: games where he just wasn't much of a threat. And

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Speaker 1: Dan Arnold is going to be unrestricted, is he not. Yeah,

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00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: he's unrestricted too. I mean again, so many questions with

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00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: a lot of pieces that were in use this year,

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00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: and you can argue that they can change them, but

792
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, somebody's got to be playing next year. And

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Speaker 1: if you want to take a step four, you don't

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00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: want to take too far back. Yes, right, well, and

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Speaker 1: j R. Sweezy gonna be unrestricted just to Pew as

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00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: an out in his contract. We'll see what they decide there.

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Speaker 1: So Darren, thank you very much. Check out the article

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Speaker 1: easy Cardinals dot com. Go back to your hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty thousand followers on Twitter. Okay, that'll factor half a

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Speaker 1: big red rage right after this twelve thousand. They're going

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00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: crazy inside First Energy Stadium and wherever you are, this

802
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: is starting to become very very real that the Browns

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00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: are gonna go to the playoffs. They're in victory formation.

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00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: Hit Baker Mayfield takes a knee, have a clock will

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Speaker 1: wide down and amazing story. The Brons will get their

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00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: elemit twin of the year, they'll go to elimited five

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Speaker 1: and they're going to the playoffs. Unbelievable. What a season.

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00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: It's Jim Donovan Brown's radio network. That's what it sounds

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00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: like when you clinch your first postseason burst since the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two season, Ron Wolfley. And here's the

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Speaker 1: thing about your former team, the Cleveland Browns. They have

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00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: still not practiced for their playoff game. For the second

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00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: straight day, the team's headquarters and training facility were closed

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Speaker 1: due to a COVID flare up. Think about that. Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield says he hasn't thrown a football since last Sunday.

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Speaker 1: It took him eighteen years to get to the postseason,

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Speaker 1: eighteen years to get back to the postseason, and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden this happens to Wow, you gotta be

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Speaker 1: kidding me. But the game I'm really looking forward to,

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00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: or Pauli, it's Baltimore Tennessee Man on Sunday, the early game,

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Speaker 1: the first game. You knew it. Why do you say

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00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: that ball? It's your kind of football. It's your kind

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00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: of football. We talk about the dmeter, right. The demeter

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00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: measures the amount of destruction and offense brings to a

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00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: field versus the amount of deception and offense brings to

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Speaker 1: the field. A negative number speaks to a more destructive offense,

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Speaker 1: and the higher that negative number, the more destructive they are.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you, right, now the Baltimore Race Evens

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Speaker 1: are at minus ninety nine Paul, minus ninety nine on

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Speaker 1: the D meter because they will blow your face off.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, so are the Tennessee Titans they line up.

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Speaker 1: The only thing stronger than a minus ninety nine is

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Speaker 1: a minus one hundred, and that's what the Tennessee Titans

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Speaker 1: are on the D meter. With Derrick Henry so Ron

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Speaker 1: Wolfley creating his own analytics here with a D meter.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, Paul. Yeah, I'm looking forward thanks to

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Speaker 1: asking at the Rams and Seattle gameboy cares. Come on, man,

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00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: the Seahawks one tenth straight at home in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and now the Rams have Jared Goff back who looks

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Speaker 1: pretty good throwing the football and practice Cooper cup is back,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth the left tackles. Wait a minute, you got

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff going against the D meter, Paul, honestly contest there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thankfully we're out of time to run Jared Goff through

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Speaker 1: the D meter. Special thanks Jim, I'm a Hundro, Cody Fincher,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban, thank you for Ron Wolfley. Off ball KELVC.

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Speaker 1: This has been the Big Red Rage presented by santan

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Speaker 1: Ford in Gilbert Derb Number one til You've been listening

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