WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: The Beast With Five Fingers

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Joe McCormick. Today we're bringing you an older episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Weird House Cinema, the movie show that Rob and

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<v Speaker 1>I do on Stuff to Blow Your Mind. Normally, Weird

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<v Speaker 1>House Cinema airs every Friday. Today we're bringing you an

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Weird House from the fault. This episode originally

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<v Speaker 1>published February fourth, twenty twenty two, and it's on the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty six horror films starring Peter Lorie The Beast

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<v Speaker 1>with Five Fingers. Let's jump right in.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb

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<v Speaker 3>and this is Joe McCormick, and we're going back to

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen forties on this one. This is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be only the second time we have ventured into the forties.

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<v Speaker 3>The last time was for the film Doctor Cyclops, and

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<v Speaker 3>this time we're going in for the Beast with Five

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<v Speaker 3>Fingers from nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of these films that we've done from the forties

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<v Speaker 1>have unusually good special effects for their time. So Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Cyclops the premise was there's a mad scientist who gets

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people into his house and then he

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<v Speaker 1>shrinks them down to about the size of mice, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have to find a way to defeat the giant.

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<v Speaker 1>But this movie is a killer Severed Hand movie, so

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<v Speaker 1>you might wonder, well, I don't know how good could

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<v Speaker 1>the killer Severed Hand effects be in nineteen forty six,

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<v Speaker 1>but I gotta say really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the special effects in this film are pretty great,

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<v Speaker 3>especially for the time period. They're very effective. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're looking for the flaws, I'm sure you you

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<v Speaker 3>can find them. You know, that's not an actual disembodied

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<v Speaker 3>hand crawling across the floor. You know, if you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>for a whole lot of blood, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>find it in a nineteen forty six picture for the

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<v Speaker 3>most part. But it's there's still some wonderfully creepy scenes,

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<v Speaker 3>especially when you have the wonderfully weird actor Peter Lourie

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<v Speaker 3>interacting with it. Because if anybody can act opposite a

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<v Speaker 3>rubber hand and make you believe it, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be somebody of Laurie's caliber.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. This movie has two meat spiders in it.

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<v Speaker 1>One is the hand and the other is Peter Lourie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Now. One of the fun things about this

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<v Speaker 3>is that I believe we actually mentioned this title though

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<v Speaker 3>neither of us had seen it yet, when we covered

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen thirty five film Mad Love, which that one

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<v Speaker 3>was just wonderful film starring Peter Laurie Francis Dre Colin Clive,

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<v Speaker 3>and that film featured hand transplants and supernatural paranoid ideas

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<v Speaker 3>of what that might mean. As we discussed at that point,

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<v Speaker 3>hand transplants were science fiction. It had not been pulled

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<v Speaker 3>off yet, and this was a film that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>went wild with the idea, well, if if I received

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<v Speaker 3>the hands of a knife thrower, then am I now

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<v Speaker 3>a knife thrower? You know where?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you are?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, undoubtedly, And it was well utilized in the plot.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that tradition storytelling tradition goes back at least as

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<v Speaker 3>far as the nineteen twenty four film The Hands of

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<v Speaker 3>Orloc which is based on the same source material as

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<v Speaker 3>Mad Love. But The Beast with Five Fingers takes things

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<v Speaker 3>in a related but different direction entirely, and that is,

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<v Speaker 3>if you if you cut a hand off of somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>if you remove the hand, does something of the original

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<v Speaker 3>humans will survive in that hand. Could that hand have

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<v Speaker 3>a life of its own? Could it crawl around and

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<v Speaker 3>manipulate things? Could it strangle people? And so forth, which

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<v Speaker 3>I guess is related to some of the anxieties and

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<v Speaker 3>sci fi ponderings that you find and works like Mad Love,

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<v Speaker 3>but this takes it into an even more ridiculous and

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<v Speaker 3>special effects powered level of monster movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there are actually even more similarities than we've already mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you'll recall in Mad Love and the story

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<v Speaker 1>was based on which I guess is the hands of Orlock.

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<v Speaker 1>Orlock is not the name of Peter Lourie's character. Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Lourie is the is the sort of is the mad

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<v Speaker 1>surgeon who does the hand transplant. And Orlock is the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Colin Clive's character, who is a concert pianist.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, these hands have great talent, and his hands

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<v Speaker 1>are badly damaged in a train accident. Colin Clive is

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<v Speaker 1>riding in a train car with a man who has

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<v Speaker 1>a large sausage with him and I think also like

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<v Speaker 1>a dog in a picanic basket. Yeah, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the train crashes, his hands are harmed and his

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<v Speaker 1>beloved comes to Peter Laurie and is like, save my

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<v Speaker 1>you know, She's like, save my. My fiance is brilliant hands.

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<v Speaker 1>And the way that Peter where he saves his brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>hands is by transplanting the hands of a murderer onto

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<v Speaker 1>this concert pianist. And he finds, you know, okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>works his hands, he can use them, but now he's

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<v Speaker 1>not really good at the piano anymore. And instead what

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<v Speaker 1>he's really good at is wielding a knife.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's an expert knife thrower.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, now this movie is also got some weird hand

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<v Speaker 1>magic going on, also involving somebody who's a concert pianist.

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<v Speaker 3>It does. Yeah, And this one is also notable for being,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, unless I'm missing something like, this is the

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<v Speaker 3>film that starts at all with crawling hand movies. It's

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<v Speaker 3>easy to take crawling hands for granted now because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a well established trope crawling hands or in the

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<v Speaker 3>Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual, you know that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Bottom's family, Yeah, Adam's family is a big one. The

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<v Speaker 3>thing now, in that I was looking it up, the

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<v Speaker 3>thing dates back I think to nineteen fifty four. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's when it first popped up in the Charles

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<v Speaker 3>Adams comic of the Adams Family, but of course it

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<v Speaker 3>famously appeared in the TV series. It of course factored

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<v Speaker 3>into the two major nineteen nineties films of the Adams Family,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the third I want to say made

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<v Speaker 3>for TV or direct to video sequel. But one thing

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<v Speaker 3>I was surprised at in that is that the thing

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<v Speaker 3>in those films, all three of those, was played by

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<v Speaker 3>Canadian actor and magician Christopher Hart. Which it makes sense

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to you want somebody to play a

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<v Speaker 3>disembodied hand, you get a slighter hand, guy, you get

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<v Speaker 3>a magician in.

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<v Speaker 1>There, right, Yeah, the graceful movements and the well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the magicians are practiced at doing a twirl of

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<v Speaker 1>the fingers right to kind of yeah, dazzle you while

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<v Speaker 1>they misdirect your attention. Now, now, Rob, I noticed, though

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<v Speaker 1>you keep calling it the thing. I think it's just thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think thing is its name.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're correct on that thing, not the thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of other crawling hand features that came out

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<v Speaker 3>after the Beast with five fingers, you have the nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixty three's the crawling hand you have a segment of

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<v Speaker 3>the Amicus film Doctor Terror's House of Horrors from sixty five,

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<v Speaker 3>starring Christopher Lee. There's another film from Amicus titled and

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<v Speaker 3>Now the Screaming Starts, and that has Peter Cushing and

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<v Speaker 3>Herbert Lawm in it. There's also a Mexican horror film

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<v Speaker 3>that I believe I've watched part of called Demonoid Messenger

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<v Speaker 3>of Death Crawling Hand movie. There's also famously The Hand

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<v Speaker 3>from nineteen eighty one as well, directed by Oliver Stone

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<v Speaker 3>and starring Michael Caine. Have you seen this one, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but I've seen it described as a remake

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie we're talking about today, The Beast with

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<v Speaker 1>Five Fingers. I don't know if that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember being angry. This is a film that

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<v Speaker 3>I think I watched it on A and E, like

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<v Speaker 3>on a Sunday afternoon back in the day. It was

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<v Speaker 3>one that was in rotation there and I remember it

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<v Speaker 3>being it seemed to be like more of a serious

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<v Speaker 3>psychological treatment. But no, no, I take that back. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there was really a crawling hand in it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael can good in it, and he's like a comic

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<v Speaker 3>book artist. It's weirdly named Joe Lansdale. I think John Lansdale,

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<v Speaker 3>John Lansdale, Okay, yeah, But every time I look it up,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, is that supposed to be a reference to

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Lansdale. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that, but in that one, is it also

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<v Speaker 1>like his hand has such talent in it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes severed from his body and goes and does

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<v Speaker 1>its own business.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but then it comes back. But yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 3>also a lot of, like you know, Michael Caine, dark

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<v Speaker 3>psychological stuff going on in that one. Now, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>an Evil Dead fan, The Evil Dead two from eighty

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<v Speaker 3>seven famously features some crawling hand shenanigans.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Ash's hand becomes possessed by a demon and he

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<v Speaker 1>has to chop it off and then put it under

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<v Speaker 1>a bucket which he weighs down with a stack of books,

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<v Speaker 1>the top of which is a farewell to arms yuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yuh oh. Yeah, And that's the thing, right It kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I guess increases. It's so well known at this

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<v Speaker 3>point that it's increasingly about gags, So I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>a crawling hand gage at least in nineteen ninety three's Leprechaun.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there is the comedy horror film from nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine titled Idle Hands. I vaguely remember seeing this one.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say it has either either Gary Busey's

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<v Speaker 3>son or that other guy. Is it Matthew Lillard or

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<v Speaker 3>Jake Busey.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think either one. I've really seen it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I saw this.

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<v Speaker 3>I with that money that one of those two guys

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<v Speaker 3>is in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got Devin Salwa. He's the main guy. He plays

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<v Speaker 1>a stoner kid. It has Jessica Alba, who was all

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<v Speaker 1>the rage at the time. It has Seth Green and

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<v Speaker 1>another guy who plays you know, they play a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of stoner buddies. I definitely don't recall Jake Busey or

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<v Speaker 1>who's the other one.

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<v Speaker 3>You said, what Matthew Lillard?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, there are no lil Ardians in the film

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh. Well, there you go, and in my mind I

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<v Speaker 3>see them clearly running around with a disembodied hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can see why you'd think that, because it

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<v Speaker 1>has some of the same sheen or grime to it

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<v Speaker 1>as say hackers, like it's going for a alternative stoner

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<v Speaker 1>cool kid in the late nineties sort of thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Hackers was probably earlier, maybe early nineties, I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, it's not quite at that level. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>of a low brow, stoner horror comedy. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the jokes are about marijuana.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Interestingly enough, Christopher Hart, who played Thing in those

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<v Speaker 3>three Adams Family movies, also plays the hand in Idle Hands.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best performance in the film.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and then also this guy goes on to play

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<v Speaker 3>a hand in an episode of TV's Angel as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I never watched Angel. That's the Buffy spin off.

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<v Speaker 3>This the Buffy spinoff. Yeah, but yeah, I wasn't familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with Christopher Hart beforehand, but this was beforehand. This was

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<v Speaker 3>the guy for Disembodied Hands for pretty much an entire decade.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess my main point here is that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this film sets a trend. This film introduces

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<v Speaker 3>what would become a trope, and so it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 3>go back and watch it and think, well, audience had

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<v Speaker 3>audiences had never seen this before. It's old hat to

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<v Speaker 3>anybody who lived during the age of the Adams Family,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but at the time, like these scenes where

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<v Speaker 3>you finally see the beast with five fingers, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a hand, is a disembodied hand. It's pretty shocking, especially

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<v Speaker 3>since the effects are so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. Now, I know we set this up

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning sort of in contrast with Mad Love,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would not say that this movie is anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>near as great as Mad Love, But on its own terms,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a fun and silly and pretty inventive little

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<v Speaker 1>horror thriller with good special effects for the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Now at this point, do we even need to give

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<v Speaker 1>an elevator pitch. We've sort of already done it. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what if there were a murder mystery in which the

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<v Speaker 1>hand of the killer wasn't attached to a wrist. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>let's hear some trailer audio.

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<v Speaker 4>A piano, long, silent mysteriously plays again its weird an

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<v Speaker 4>ominous chords, filling up a deviled house with stark terror.

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<v Speaker 4>A concerto of death, a cobra music of a dead

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<v Speaker 4>man played by a hand that returned from the grave

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<v Speaker 4>to wreak vengeance on his betrayals, marking each for a

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<v Speaker 4>murder as it strikes within human power. A horrifying monster

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<v Speaker 4>that takes its evil commands from beyond they cannot return

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<v Speaker 4>to the tomb till it completes its mission of destruction.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, one thing that's worth noting about this film too,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not sure. I'm not sure if this was

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<v Speaker 3>ever even possible, but it seems like if you were

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<v Speaker 3>watching this with absolutely no spoilers and having never seen

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<v Speaker 3>the trailer or a poster or anything, the big reveal

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<v Speaker 3>that the hand is crawling around on its own might

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<v Speaker 3>have been more impactful because they kind of set it

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<v Speaker 3>up like, what's happening, what's you know? And the first

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<v Speaker 3>time you see the hand, you can't tell that it

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<v Speaker 3>has that it's not attached to a body.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, somebody will appear in the crack of a door

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<v Speaker 1>and then a hand reaches around from behind them and

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<v Speaker 1>grabs their throat and starts choking them. But for all

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the hand could in fact be attached to

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<v Speaker 1>a wrist. It could just be somebody killing this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's actually some question later on in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie about whether it is. In fact, it probably is,

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<v Speaker 1>the movie implies, but it doesn't make it clear even

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<v Speaker 1>when you see the hand, that the hand is not

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<v Speaker 1>just a regular hand that's running around on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get to that until probably two thirds of

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<v Speaker 1>the way through the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, Well, let's talk about some of the

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<v Speaker 3>people involved in this one. The director is Robert Floret,

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<v Speaker 3>who lived nineteen hundred through nineteen seventy nine. Industrial strength

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<v Speaker 3>French American director who worked from the twenties through the sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>One of these guys where you check out his filmography

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just this long list of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen credits. He's just absolutely cranking out pictures during the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirties especially, he's hustling. Yeah. Now, his early career

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<v Speaker 3>was apparently more about avant garde expressionist, but he increasingly

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<v Speaker 3>became just like a cinematic workhouse and also apparently the

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<v Speaker 3>very dependable filmmaker someone of the studios could turn to

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<v Speaker 3>to really put the picture together, you know, put it out,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, under budget and on time.

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<v Speaker 1>That kind of great. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, from a purely horror standpoint, he's perhaps best known

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<v Speaker 3>for Murders in the Room Morgue from nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 3>based on the Edgar Allen post story and starring Hungarian

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<v Speaker 3>American film legend Bella Lagosi, oh as well as ape

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<v Speaker 3>Suit legend Charles Gemora, who we've mentioned on the show before.

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<v Speaker 3>Another Float film of note is The Face Behind the Mask,

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<v Speaker 3>which was one I was also looking at potentially to

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<v Speaker 3>cover in this episode, but went with The Beast instead.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a film that starred Peter Laurie as an

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<v Speaker 3>immigrant watchmaker who's who you know. It comes in with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of optimism about what he can make of

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<v Speaker 3>himself in America, but then he's kind of chewed up

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<v Speaker 3>by dark American realities and he becomes a disfigured crime

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<v Speaker 3>boss instead. And then also of interesting note, I was

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<v Speaker 3>not familiar with this film, but Florat directed a noir

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<v Speaker 3>film titled Daughter of Shanghai from thirty seven, which featured

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<v Speaker 3>a female Chinese American lead in the form of Anime Wong,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as Korean American actor Philip On, and this

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<v Speaker 3>was in some ways progressive for the time, as Asian

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<v Speaker 3>leads were often played by white actors, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>in the same year, Wong lost out the lead role

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<v Speaker 3>of a Chinese character in The Good Earth. So again

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen Daughter of Shanghai, but it seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be noteworthy in film history now. I think Wong typically

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<v Speaker 3>played sort of dragon lady stereotypes, but still it was

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<v Speaker 3>apparently something of the time to see her at the

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<v Speaker 3>top in the lead, even in a noir sort of

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<v Speaker 3>crime thriller type of a film. Daughter of Shanghai, by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, also features a young Anthony Quinn popping up

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<v Speaker 3>in a lesser role. So, like I said, Flore busted

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<v Speaker 3>out a bunch of films, directed a lot of TV

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<v Speaker 3>later on during his career, and his last credit is

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<v Speaker 3>actually an episode of the original Outer Limits series, so

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<v Speaker 3>one titled Moonstone, and he also did three different Twilight

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<v Speaker 3>Zone episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're the Outer Limits connoisseur, ho's Moonstone.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not a connoisseur as much of the original series.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm more of a connoisseur or growing connoisseur of the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen nineties Outer Limits revival. So I don't think i've

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<v Speaker 3>seen Moonstone. I've seen some of the original Outer Limits episodes,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course they're great, but I haven't seen that one. Likewise,

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<v Speaker 3>I looked up the three Twilight Zone episodes he did,

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<v Speaker 3>and I faintly remember one of them, but I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think any of them are like the really famous Twilight

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<v Speaker 3>Zone episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>You like the era of the Outer Limits that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>has CGI that looks like it's from one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Wing Commander games.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does. I mean sometimes there's also, to be fair,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of great practical alien makeup and some

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<v Speaker 3>cool set design as they figure out like how can

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<v Speaker 3>we on a budget create a different alien or futuristic

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<v Speaker 3>hallway for every episode of this series. But yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 3>some truly awful CGI at times as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it now.

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<v Speaker 3>The screenplay for this film was written by a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>famous name, Kurtzodmack, who lived nineteen oh two through the

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<v Speaker 3>year two thousand. It's a German born novelist and screenwriter

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<v Speaker 3>who left Germany first for Britain and then for the

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<v Speaker 3>US due to concerns overrising anti Semitism under the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>His family was Jewish. His German output was already pretty

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<v Speaker 3>successful prior to this, however, including the sci fi film

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking at this one FP one doesn't answer,

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<v Speaker 3>which seems to be about sort of a sort of

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<v Speaker 3>an air aircraft carrier base, like a not a ship,

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<v Speaker 3>but like some sort of like a large like at

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<v Speaker 3>the time sci fi aircraft platform in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the ocean. Once he left for the UK. He did

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<v Speaker 3>British war thrillers, and he did some comedies, but then

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<v Speaker 3>he started striking it big with some horror screenplays. He

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<v Speaker 3>did the screenplay for the nineteen forty one film The

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<v Speaker 3>Invisible Man Returns that has Vincent Price in it ooh,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he wrote an original screenplay for nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 3>one's The wolf Man, starring Claude Rains, Bell Lagosi and

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<v Speaker 3>lom Cheney Junior. He went on from there to write

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<v Speaker 3>a ton of screenplays, including Frankenstein Meets Wolfman from forty three,

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<v Speaker 3>I Walked with a Zombie from forty three, Son of

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<v Speaker 3>Dracula from You Guessed At nineteen forty three, and then

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<v Speaker 3>House of Frankenstein from nineteen forty four, along with just

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of other stuff. But those are some of

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<v Speaker 3>the titles that jumped out of me. He also wrote

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen forty two sci fi novel Donovan's Brain, which

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<v Speaker 3>has been adapted three times. I don't think he was

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<v Speaker 3>personally involved in any of the adaptations, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>adapted in nineteen forty four as the Lady in the

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<v Speaker 3>Monster in nineteen fifty three Is Donovan's Brain, and in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty two as the Brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan's Brain is a great poster. Have you seen it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, with a In fact, I think the Brain

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<v Speaker 3>from sixty two also has a pretty snazzy poster. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all about a good brain film.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the colors. It's got these big bars of

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<v Speaker 1>yellow and then these creepy eyes and a green background.

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<v Speaker 1>And it says a dead man's brain in a hidden

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<v Speaker 1>laboratory told him to kill, kill, kill.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can see why this was the perfect guy

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<v Speaker 3>to adapt The Beast with Five Fingers. And I say

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<v Speaker 3>adapt because it's based on a short story by William

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<v Speaker 3>Fryar Harvey, who lived eighteen eighty five through nineteen thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, professionally known as W. F. Harvey, a British

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<v Speaker 3>writer who wrote horror and ghost stories. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 3>get into the cast of this film. The credited lead

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<v Speaker 3>is not Peter Loriie. It is Robert Alda playing Oh

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<v Speaker 3>let's see in the In the credits is listed as

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<v Speaker 3>Conrad Ryler. But that's not what people call him, right, No.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all over the place. The promotional materials for this

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<v Speaker 1>movie call him Conrad Riyler. But then characters on screen

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<v Speaker 1>call him Bruce Conrad. So it sounds like his name

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<v Speaker 1>was changed in like the shooting script, but then something

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<v Speaker 1>else ended up using a name from an earlier draft

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's crazy, because yeah, it's still listed on IMDb

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<v Speaker 3>as Conrad Ryler. So it's a sort of disservice to

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they couldn't have possibly realized this that one

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<v Speaker 3>day people would be watching your film going to the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this official listing of character names to keep

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<v Speaker 3>track of what's going on, and if you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the right names there, we're just going to be lost.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, whether it's his first name or his last name,

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<v Speaker 1>he is Conrad, so we can at least stick with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 3>Alda was born nineteen fourteen died nineteen eighty six. Originally

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<v Speaker 3>a vaudeville singing dance guy who made his way up

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<v Speaker 3>through the worlds of radio and burless theater before landing

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<v Speaker 3>a role in nineteen forty five's Rhapsody in Blue playing

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<v Speaker 3>George Gershwin. Huh yeah, so by the time Beast with

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<v Speaker 3>Five Fingers comes out, this Beast is only his fourth

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<v Speaker 3>film role.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, got he's got a very optimistic youthful energy

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<v Speaker 1>in this Yeah, yeah, calm confidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's got a good I'm not sure what you

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<v Speaker 3>call the style of mustache that he has.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's kind of like Clark Gable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like a Clark Gable, which which gives him

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<v Speaker 3>a unique look. He has kind of a I think

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<v Speaker 3>he pointed out, he has kind of his character has

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a loopine quality to it. Yes, Alda continued,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk more about his character Conrad as we move forward.

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<v Speaker 3>But all To continued to act in film and increasingly

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<v Speaker 3>in TV. But he did very well on Broadway, popping

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<v Speaker 3>up and made fifties and sixties runs of stuff like

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<v Speaker 3>Guys and Dolls. And I'm delighted to report that he

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<v Speaker 3>was also a cast member on Super Train from nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy nine, a show about an atomic powered train full

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<v Speaker 3>of like extravagant cars that had things like swimming pools

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<v Speaker 3>in them, so kind of a predecessor to snow Piercer.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the whole show takes place on the train, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think they have murder mysteries and stuff. Everything

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<v Speaker 3>is terrible. That a video with clips from the mini

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<v Speaker 3>from the TV movie that kickstarted the one season series.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I got to look this up after we're done.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh, one thing that I wondered about, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can rest assured, yes, indeed, Robert Alda is Alan Alda's dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing I was reading about, though there's some lack

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<v Speaker 1>of clarity here, I've read that the lead in the

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<v Speaker 1>Beast with Five Fingers was originally supposed to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Henried, the actor who plays Victor Laslow in Casablanca.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I can't hell if this means he was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to play the Robert Alder role or the Peter LORII role,

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<v Speaker 1>but either way it would have been a very different movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Olda is giving a strangely variable performance in this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess the role itself is strangely variable. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>he's like I said, he's Clark Gable, He's sometimes he's

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<v Speaker 1>a smooth, rascally con man with this lustful twinkle in

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<v Speaker 1>his eye. And then other times he's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>straight down the middle galahad. He's just this perfectly steady

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<v Speaker 1>and virtuous hero.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And one of the weird unexpected things about this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we'll get into the plot in a bit, but.

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<v Speaker 1>He, you know, he starts.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the he's the top build actor in the film.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's the pretty much the first it's introduced, I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>and you expect him to play a more pivotal role

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<v Speaker 3>in like the final quarter of the film, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>not really. He really kind of fa He's inconsequential for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part. When you get into the final act.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like in the second half of the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>really he's just there to be the handsome man that

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea King is in love with, and that's pretty and

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>he stands around and watches things happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, he has increasingly little agency, which ultimately I'm

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 3>fine with, you know, it's it's kind of nice to

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<v Speaker 3>see the you know, the attractive male lead in a

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<v Speaker 3>film from this era ultimately mean nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right, you got to make more room for Peter Lourie,

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>which I'm all for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now, before we we already mentioned Andrea King as

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 3>she plays Julie Holden. Impossible to forget her name because

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of screaming for Julie, a lot of

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 3>characters wandering around this big castle mansion and screaming her

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 3>first name.

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like the commissario with the Italian accent, just

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>saying Julie many many times.

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so so yeah. You easily remember her name. If

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.159
<v Speaker 3>you remember no other characters name in this you remember

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 3>her so. Andrea King was a French born American actor

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 3>who was especially active in the forties and fifties, but

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 3>had a pretty long career on screen and on TV,

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 3>known for God Is My co Pilot and The Very

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Thought of You. But she also pops back up in

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen seventies in House of the Black Death and Blackenstein.

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Now. I was looking at her other stuff to see

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>if I'd seen her in anything else, and there was

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>nothing that really stood out to me, So I don't

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 1>know what she's like. Usually, I got to say, her

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>performance in this movie feels phoned in. She does not

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 1>seem to be super interested in being in the Beast

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 1>with five fingers. However, her relatively flat acting performance sometimes

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>makes scenes more amusing than they would have been if

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>she was more into it, Because I don't know, it's

0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 1>just like a funny compliment to the weird stuff going

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>on around her and to her awe inspiring hairds. This

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>movie is an event of profoundly big hair, which makes

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>me want to see another movie I saw that she

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>was in. It's a nineteen fifty topic film called I

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Was a Shoplifter, which, with an exclamation, hide things in

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>her hair to get him out of the store.

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 3>I think. But before I watched it, when you were

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 3>telling me a little bit about that about it, you

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 3>said you compared her hair to Dracula's hair, like the

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Old Man.

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Gary Oldman, Yeah, with the butt cut in the Francis

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Ford Coppola Dracula, Yeah, a couple of times she has

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>an enormous, like curly butt cut.

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, there are some pretty hilarious scenes where her very

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 3>flat performance is in stark contrast to say, Peter Lourie's performance.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 3>But I hesitate to heap the blame on her for this,

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.200
<v Speaker 3>or to really cast any blame on her at all,

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 3>because there are some questions that arise concerning the script,

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>Like there are scenes where it's like one character can

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 3>see things that are not there, and she is perhaps

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 3>legitimate Her character is legitimately supposed to be looking at nothing,

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Speaker 3>and therefore maybe it makes sense that she is not

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 3>reacting the same way other characters are.

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and I also want to say it makes

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>perfect sense in the earlier parts of the movie where

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>there's like another character who is obsessed with her and

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 1>she is not into him at all, and so her

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 1>flat performance is great in those scenes because you can

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>tell she's just conveying like an you get me out

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>of here kind of feeling yeah.

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 3>And kind of going for like a steely calm because

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 3>there is some crazy dude ranting at you and you're

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 3>trying to not escalate the situation in trying to like

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 3>maybe play into their delusions a little bit so that

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 3>you can make a b line for these gay.

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I'd say with both of our lead actors

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>so far, there's a little bit of weirdness in how

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the character is realized on screen. But then we get

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to Peter Lourie. He gets like third billing, right, and

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>he plays a character named Hillary Cummins, and this is

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the main event.

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 3>That's right. So we're not going to go super into

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Laurie's biography and filmography here because we spend a lot

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 3>of time with it in the Mad Love episodes, So

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 3>definitely go back to that. But he lived nineteen oh

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 3>four through nineteen sixty four. He was an Austro Hungarian

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 3>actor of Jewish descent who made it big in Fritz

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Ling's em Before like siomc fleeing the rise of anti

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Semitism under the Nazi regime. A great actor, plagued at

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 3>times by substance abuse and health problems, but completely unequaled

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 3>in his ability to play these kind of artful mixes

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 3>of sympathetic weirdos and absolute mad men. Like it's a

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 3>careful you know, it's a careful mixology going on at

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 3>times with a Peter Lourie roll, because it's not like

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 3>he's just great at playing like a scary weirdo. It's

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 3>like he does to have this sympathetic nature. And then also,

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, just is really able to emote through his

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>performance in ways that it seems like many actors around

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 3>him in any just any given film he's in, either

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't have the ability to or did not have like

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, free free reign to do.

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 1>So I like what you say about him being more

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>sympathetic than you would expect a character in this role

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to be, because there's several scenes in this movie of

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>him making these desperate begging pleas for something that is

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>actually a totally unreasonable request. But he's such a good

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>performer that you feel sad for him, you kind of

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>get on his side. You're like, yeah, why won't why

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>won't you just stay with this old man forever so

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>that Peter Lourie can continue as occult research.

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, there's just something about him. I mean, also,

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 3>I just I just really like a good Peter Laurie performance.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>That's probably I mean, that's that's one of the reasons

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I was looking at this film anyway. And while I

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 3>was watching this, my wife asked me. She's like, how

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 3>can you enjoy a film like this compared so, Yeah,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 3>she's just not as into like the older pictures, you know,

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 3>She's like, how can you you know, you enjoy film

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 3>like this the same way you enjoy a film from

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 3>like the eighties or the seventies. And you know, I

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 3>mean part of it is like, yeah, it is a

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 3>different era, it's a different there are different sensibilities in play.

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 3>But I think a big part of it too, is

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 3>like there's something about Peter Laurie's voice. It just it

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>calms me to hear it. Like, yeah, there's something about

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.959
<v Speaker 3>a Peter Laurie performance that I'm I'm just captivated by

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>the whole thing.

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Long stretches of the first half of this movie, though

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>I would say suffer from Peter Loriie deficiency. But he

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 1>has more of a role as the movie goes on,

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and whenever he returns to screen, our grail of delight

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>overfloweth because he plays this this queasy, bookish little man

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>who is obsessed with discovering forbidden secrets of astrology, and

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>his obsession just builds to these points of absurdity with

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>these excellent freak out scenes. I love him in this.

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have to say one of the main reasons

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 3>I hesitated with this film was that I expected him

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 3>to be a minor character that gets killed off half

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 3>through the picture, so I was delighted when that was

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 3>not the case. Though Peter Laurie is not the only

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 3>actor playing a crazy person, which is great because we

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 3>also have Victor Fransen playing Francis Ingram. This is a

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 3>fun performance. This is the actor here. Fransen was born

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 3>in eighteen eighty eight died in nineteen seventy seven, Belgian

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 3>born actor known for Hold Back the Dawn, Helen high Water,

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 3>and I accuse he's pretty great in this as the

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 3>while he's still alive before he becomes just a hand

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 3>as the overly dramatic composer and concert pianist.

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>This movie proposes that if you are paralyzed on one

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>side of your body, as Victor Franson's character is, so

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>that you cannot use one of your hands, the other

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>hand somehow becomes incredibly good at both piano playing and choking.

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>And Victor Franson embraces this premise with cranky alacrity, really

0:32:58.480 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>really powerful.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this was like a sort of a weird, weird

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 3>movie logic for the beast with five fingers to dwell on.

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's like he only has the one hand,

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 3>so it has the strength of two hands. But then

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>on top of that, he's also this this brilliant pianist,

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 3>and so he's you know, his fingers danced across the uh,

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, the ivories with just amazing dexterity. And I

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 3>guess the idea is that all that intense piano playing

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 3>just makes your the hands of a professional piano player

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 3>like a couple of coconut crabs. Yes, so like somebody,

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 3>like a like a Tory Amos could just rip a

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 3>phone book in half with those dexterous digits averse.

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>But if she could only use one hand. Then she

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>could rip a phone book in half with one hand, right.

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there there. Yeah. There are times where characters are

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 3>grabbed by Ingram and they're like his his hand was

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 3>so so powerful. It's it's it's wonderful and ultimately like

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 3>that's part of it. It's like the hand becomes so

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 3>powerful that it cannot die. Like the man dies, but

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 3>the hand lives on. The only other actor of note

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>here for our purposes is Jay Carrol nsh who plays

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:15.240
<v Speaker 3>Detective Video Castanio. This is the Italian law enforcement guy

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 3>who commissario the Commissario, Yeah, who becomes involved with the

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 3>various murders going on.

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.240
<v Speaker 3>The actor in question here is actually of Irish descent.

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 3>He's playing an Italian. This is a role that I

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 3>would say feels really fun and balance for most of

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 3>the picture, but by the apps, by the time the

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 3>credits roll, you're sick of him.

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>He still sick of him, Yeah, because at the very

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>end of the movie they have him look directly into

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>the camera and then do a vaudeville comedy act. Yeah what.

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is something we've run into before with films

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 3>where it's like you just could not send the audience

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 3>home with any ounce of dread in their body. You

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 3>had to take whatever was funny or heartfelt about the

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.760
<v Speaker 3>f and not only double down on it, but triple

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 3>down on it in the closing moments. And that's exactly

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 3>what they do with this guy's character.

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>You remember, Actually there is an ending to Bava's Black

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Sabbath much like this that suddenly at the end, Boris

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Karloff shows up and he's doing a comedy routine and

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he's like, actually there are no ghosts, so ho.

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 4>And the.

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you see the crew and they're all like,

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>don't be afraid. Now, it's safe to go to bed.

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing in your closet.

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, it's just I guess it's just an

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 3>artifact of the time. You just couldn't send the audience

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 3>home with the sense of dread. You had to send

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 3>them out with a smile on their face. I mean,

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 3>this is theater, right. One of the interesting things about J.

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Carrol Nish, however, is that he's an Oscar nominated actor

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 3>for Sahara from nineteen forty three and for a Medal

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.919
<v Speaker 3>for Benny from nineteen forty five. His final film role

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 3>was the role of doctor Frankenstein in nineteen seventy one's

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 3>Dracula Versus Frankenstein alongside long Cheney Junior. All right onto

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 3>just a few of the I guess artistic mentions here

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Max Steiner did the music. Steiner lived eighteen eighty eight

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 3>through nineteen seventy one. Austrian born American music composer, nominated

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 3>for twenty four Academy Awards, winning three for The Informer

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 3>in thirty five, Now Voyager in forty two, and Since

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 3>You Went Away in forty four. He also composed the

0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 3>score for Casa Blanca. I don't know if this jumped

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 3>out at Jiujoe. I wasn't familiar with this individual, but

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 3>the costume designer on this was Travilla. Just Travilla, just Travilla, Yes, Madonna, Yeah, yeah,

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 3>this was born William Travilla. He was famed for his

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 3>work with Marilyn Monroe on various films, including The Seven

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Year Itch. So that costume that she's wearing in The

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Seven Year Itch over the subway grate that is the

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 3>work of Travilla. He was also the costume designer on

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 3>the Day the Earth's Stood Still.

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So he came up with the gort.

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Suit maybe so, but anyway, Yeah, it was apparently a

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 3>big name, if not at the time. I guess at

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 3>the time, you can't just call yourself Travilla and not

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 3>be a big deal. I mean, I'm convinced, but he

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:17.360
<v Speaker 3>lived nineteen twenty through nineteen ninety.

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Travilla's great. So I figure we should call it

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the special effects because they were so good for the

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>time they I didn't find much written about them, but

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 1>the special effects are credited to William McGann as the

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>special effects director and then also h kind of camp asc.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was looking into either of these guys to

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.479
<v Speaker 3>see of Sometimes with films like this, you can see

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 3>where the special effects people went from there and you

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 3>can recognize, oh, well this guy was this guy was

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 3>a synthetic flesh master, because we see it reflected in

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 3>various pictures they were involved in. But I couldn't find

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 3>any direct signs of that here. But I guess these

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.720
<v Speaker 3>are the guys to thank for these wonderful crawling hand effects,

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 3>because again, they hold up really well.

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Should we discuss the plot?

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh, let's do all right.

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, we begin somewhere in an outdoor market place, it

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 1>seems in a kind of Mediterranean region, though there are

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 1>mountains in the background. And then we get a text

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that pops up that says, this is the story of

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 1>what happened or seemed to happen in the small Italian

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.359
<v Speaker 1>village of San Stefano nearly fifty years ago. So if

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it was nearly fifty years ago at the time of

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the movie, this would put this in like the eighteen nineties.

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe so.

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I could not find evidence of a

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 1>real San Stefano in Italy, though there is one in Bulgaria.

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>But it looks like, you know, business is booming in

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the marketplace. We see children running all around fruit carts

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 1>with big dangling strings of garlic, and we see a

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>horse drawn cart carrying a bunch of tourists around and

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>it stops so they can have lunch. And then, looking

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>on from the shadows nearby like a wolf staring at

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>a herd of cattle. Is Robert Alda playing this character again,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>who has multiple names depending on where you look. But

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>in the movie they call him Bruce Conrad, though if

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you look him up it might say he's Conrad Ryler.

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Either way, he's Conrad. He's our guy. And just just

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>look at him.

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, I mean he's just an obvious con

0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 3>man from the get go. Here.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's got the pencil mustache, he's got that Clark

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Gable smirk. He's got a brimmed hat kind of pulled

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>down low over his eyebrows, cigarette dangling loosely out of

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>his mouth, and a kind of smooth looking suit jacket

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 1>with wide lapels. Obvious obvious cigarette smoking wolf. And he

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 1>slithers up to a couple of American rubes who sit

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>down at a cafe table. He insinuates himself into their

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>lunch state and eventually cons them into buying some fake

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>artifacts he's got, like, he's got this whole story about

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 1>how he buys things that are actually priceless antiques, but

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>he gets them for a song by going through people's

0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>estates and then he ends up selling something. I did

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 1>not know what these were, by the way. They're called cameos,

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.240
<v Speaker 1>but Rachel and I watched this together and she explained

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.319
<v Speaker 1>it to me. They're like these little oval things that

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>have people's heads in profile on them.

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, so sort of a combination between like a

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 3>person's likeness and jewelry that you might remember them by.

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kind of. But he gets these people, you know,

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>these ignorant farmers to believe that they are buying priceless

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>fifteenth century antiques they are not. The lady is like,

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 1>I love cameos, and the dude ends up buying a

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:47.879
<v Speaker 1>bunch of them.

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, he completely hustles them. It's it's it's

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 3>completely apparent before anything else happens with the plot to

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 3>confirm the matter.

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, So Conrad pulls off the con he gets some

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>sweet US dollars, and he ends up strolling on down

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the avenue, where he strikes up a conversation with the

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>local commissario commisario a video Castanio, who is a smooth

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Italian version of Ircule Poirot.

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, I think that's a fair comparison.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny when you see them walking next to

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>each other because they're like both guys in hats with

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>thin mustaches, smoking rolled tobacco products.

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this scene that they have together is actually

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.439
<v Speaker 3>pretty fun. I like the dialogue in this.

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because the commissario he's a fun character, at

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>least for most of the movie, because he clearly knows

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>that Conrad is crooked, but it also implies their kind

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>of buddies and he's not interested in actually arresting him.

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, you are aware it is illegal to

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>sell sell antiques without a license, and Conrad's like, I

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>am aware of every law.

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They're basically like, I would just like to remind

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 3>you what the law is. And he's like, oh, I

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 3>know what the law is. I would not dream of

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 3>passing that line. And he's like, well, I'm just here

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 3>to remind you where that line is, and so forth.

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Like they have a fun back and forth.

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it.

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Also kind of drives home that our character Conrad here

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 3>is maybe not too bad. He's not so bad that

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 3>the local law enforcement is telling him, hey, cut it out.

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 3>It's more like, all right, just make sure make sure

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 3>you know what you're doing a small time con man,

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 3>and don't get too big time on me.

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Right. They don't mind, they don't mind him out here

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>mildly hustling the tourists. Yeah, but Conrad also gets some

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>news from the commissario. It is gossip about the Villa Francesco,

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the estate of somebody named Francis Ingram, who we understand

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 1>as a very rich old man who has been unwell,

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and apparently somebody named Julie is planning to leave the

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Ingram place. The Commissario reveals that he has just authorized

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>her exit visa earlier this morning. Presumably I guess to

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 1>leave the country, and it's also implied that Conrad has

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>some kind of relationship with Jew. Mister Kommisario's like, aren't

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>you going to go see her before she leaves? So

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>we follow Conrad to the Villa Francesco as he approaches

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>through the elegant courtyard that has a lot of lush

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>greenery and fancy looking statues, And meanwhile, a sullen looking

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Peter Lorie watches from a second story window as Conrad approaches.

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 1>He's just shooting laser beams of gray sadness out of

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>his eyeballs. And the whole time we hear piano music.

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Somebody is playing with great skill and intensity, and it

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>turns out it is mister Francis Ingram himself, again played

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 1>by Victor Fransen, the old man who owns the Villa

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Francesco is a skilled pianist, though with a twist because

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>he is paralyzed on one side of his body, so

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>he only plays the piano with one hand, the left hand,

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>though his left hand alone is implied to be of

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the most incredible skill, the incredible virtuosity of his one

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>handed piano playing, and Conrad stops at the door to

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>listen while he does this performance. And also, meanwhile, Julie

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>played by Andrea King, she is sitting beside the piano

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 1>in a nurse's uniform, supposedly listening to him play, but

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>honestly looking excruciatingly bored. I was trying to think of

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>how to describe it. She looks like an adult at

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 1>a party who gets cornered by a friend's seven year

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>old kid who is explaining the plot of dragon Ball

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Z for thirty minutes.

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, or walking you through the evolution

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.360
<v Speaker 3>of various pokemons.

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you're just like, oh wow, yeah.

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 3>I have learned, by the way to ask very good

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 3>questions about Pokemon. I am a good receiver of Pokemon

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 3>conversation at this point.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 1>So you can do this without looking as bored as she.

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Does, right, I hope, So, I hope. So.

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, after he finishes playing, Julie picks up this very

0:44:56.680 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>conspicuous gigantic ring and puts it on mister Ingram's finger

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 1>and Buddy, this ring is bananas. It is probably it's

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 1>like the biggest ring I've ever seen.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one gets the impression that it is this is

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 3>a black and white movie, but I get the impression

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 3>that it's deeply red, you know, and so on the

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 3>film it's it's deeply dark and black, and it just

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of like sucks you in.

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, So it sticks in your mind, and it's supposed

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to because you will see it later to I think,

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>help you identify whose hand you're looking at. When you

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>just see a hand, it's this giant, conspicuous ring. And

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he always takes it off and sits it on top

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of the piano when he plays.

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's this this scene with Julie here where

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 3>he holds out his hand for her to put the

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 3>ring back on, which seems kind of weird. I mean,

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 3>it is weird, like they're getting married. Yeah, Like there's

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 3>a ritualistic quality to it, but they're cinematic payoff later.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, So Julie lets Conrad inside and we learn more

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 1>about all of their relationships. So we find out that

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Conrad is well known Villa Francesco. He and Ingram are

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 1>good friends, such good friends that Ingram seems to know

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 1>about Conrad's tourist scamming racket, because Conrad's like, you look

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>very well, and Ingram's like, ah, save it for the tourists.

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that on me. And we find out that

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 1>they play chess together a lot, often for money, and

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Conrad always wins and takes Ingram's money.

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of freeloaders in this household. Yeah,

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean not, I mean, Julie's not a freeloader,

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 3>but Conrad and and Peter Lourie's character Hillary, Yeah, I mean,

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 3>I gat I mean, I guess there's there's camaraderie here.

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 3>I guess Ingram's getting some he's getting companionship out of it.

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 3>But they're they're very much there, you know, enjoying the

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 3>facilities and sharing in his money.

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Julie is the only one working right, everybody else has

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a different kind of hustle going. But so Conrad also

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>complements Ingram's piano playing. I think the situation is that

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>he he was once a famed pianist who played with

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>both hands, and then he had a stroke or some

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>other kind of medical event, and his right hand became paralyzed,

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>so he learned to play concert piano all over again

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 1>with only one hand. And Conrad helped him in this

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>because he's also a musician, and he rescored famous pieces

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of music for Ingram in such a way that they

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>could be played one handed on the piano. Yeah.

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:29.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the film reminds you a couple of times, yeah,

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 3>that Conrad is himself a musician, that we never actually

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 3>see him doing anything musical.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think, no, I don't think once. And there's

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:42.720
<v Speaker 1>a moment of that bilateral hand awe because like Ingram

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 1>starts looking at his left hand and he says, now

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that all my strength, all my will is concentrated in

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>these fingers, and Conrad says exactly the power, the tonal quality,

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the prodigious technique. So it's not explicit, but they seem

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>to be implying that it's only logical that if a

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>man has use of only one hand, it will double

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>in strength and skill, absorbing the latent power of the other.

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Perhaps, even like over, it's kind of implied, especially

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 3>with some of the occurrences that happen later on, that

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:22.359
<v Speaker 3>the hand becomes more powerful than Ingram himself, like yeah,

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 3>it is. You know, it no longer needs Ingram.

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Ingram is holding it back, right, Yeah, and maybe it

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 1>should be freed of Ingram so that it can achieve

0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 1>its own dreams. Oh. But also at the same time,

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Ingram has this obviously unhealthy fixation on Julie, who is

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.240
<v Speaker 1>his nurse. You know, she's supposed to be there helping

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>take care of him during his illness, but he's he's

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously got different plans. He's like, he's like, Julie, since

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>you came, I've found new life, a new source of energy,

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a stronger ambition to live. And he keeps talking about

0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>her beauty and stuff. And then when she leaves the room,

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:03.479
<v Speaker 1>he's confessing to Conrad, He's like, I need her. She's

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:05.919
<v Speaker 1>the only one I care about, and she is quite

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:09.120
<v Speaker 1>rightly just kind of like, eh, like looking for ways

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to leave the room. Well, anyway, Ingram invites both Julie

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and Conrad to a dinner that he's hosting, where he

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>will be having his lawyer from Rome, a man named Duprex,

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>and also Hillary, his secretary, who is Peter Loriie. And

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the next scene is the one where we actually meet Hillary.

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Peter Lourie is tucked away up in his study, reading

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>from occult tomes. It's supposed to be implied that he's

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>doing serious, deep arcane research. That we get to see

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the title page of the book that he's got in

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>his hands, and I don't know, it just doesn't seem

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.919
<v Speaker 1>that wild to me. It's called Lombardo's History of Astrology,

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a Complete Textbook for Astrologers by Federico Lombardo, And I

0:49:52.840 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I thought it was funny because in a

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.120
<v Speaker 1>minute he starts talking about how he's unlocking the ancient

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:01.760
<v Speaker 1>secrets of the stars. But he's doing that by reading

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 1>what looks like a mass printed introductory textbook for astrology.

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the way they set it up, you'd expect it

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 3>would be more of some sort of ancient tome that

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 3>he's consulting.

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:16.279
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this original scroll from ancient Babylon. But no,

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like a it's a printed book.

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, we don't know how he seems obsessed with this research,

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 3>but we don't know how far along he is. He's

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:25.839
<v Speaker 3>maybe he just started it the other day and he's

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 3>just super into it, but he got to start somewhere.

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I might as well start with the with this before

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.720
<v Speaker 3>you move on to the an economicon and so forth.

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess so. But in this scene we learn of

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a conflict between Hillary and Julie because Julie is exhausted

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.720
<v Speaker 1>by constantly attending to the old man and she's creeped

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:47.520
<v Speaker 1>out by his obsession with her, so she wants to

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>quit and travel back to the United States. You can

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>totally understand that. But then meanwhile Hillary is like, you

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:58.360
<v Speaker 1>cannot do that, you will regret it. Why is this, Well,

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it's because he is in the middle of achieving a

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 1>world historical breakthrough in unlocking the secrets of ancient astrology

0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:09.240
<v Speaker 1>with this introductory textbook, and if he unlocks these secrets,

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 1>they would allow him to predict the future with absolute certainty.

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>He tells us that this knowledge has been lost since

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.760
<v Speaker 1>the burning of the Alexandrian Library, but he is now

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 1>just on the cusp of rediscovering it. And anyway, so

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 1>he explains to Julie, look, you have to stay here

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and let Ingram be obsessed with you, because if you don't,

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to do work for him, and

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't have time for that. I'm learning elite zodiac sorcery.

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's like the boss is obsessed with you. If

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:42.399
<v Speaker 3>you'll leave, he will make me work, yeah, to take

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:45.919
<v Speaker 3>away all of my free time for my astrology Wikipedia

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 3>scrolling right.

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So, and he begs her quite desperately to stay with

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Peter Lourie's trademark pitiful puppy dog, eyes welling with tears

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 1>at the thought of not succeeding at becoming a wizard.

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.959
<v Speaker 1>And she she's like, I don't know. I mean, i'd

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 1>like to help you, but I really do need to

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 1>get out of here. And he's like, no, please. And

0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 1>she also has no comment at all about the astrology

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>or wizardry or anything. She's just like, yeah, I get it,

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 1>but I need to go.

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 3>There's very little follow up really on the on the

0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.080
<v Speaker 3>astrology thing. I kept expecting it to become more of

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:23.440
<v Speaker 3>a of a plot focus, but I and then ultimately

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's not as important, Like just we know

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:30.279
<v Speaker 3>that it's his area of obsession and if his if

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.319
<v Speaker 3>his if his obsession were threatened, then who knows what

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 3>might happen.

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, later we see this dinner where Ingram and Julie

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.959
<v Speaker 1>and Conrad and Hillary and the lawyer Duprex are all

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 1>gathered around the table, and then I love the scene

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>that follows where the old man is like, let's all

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 1>go around the table now, and everyone talk about how

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 1>sane I am, and they're, oh, you you're extremely saying

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you're the sanest person I've ever met. Well, I think

0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you're even saner than he does.

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I think one of the things I was thinking watching

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 3>this though, is like, I don't really remember what dinner

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 3>parties were like exactly. Yeah, so you know, since they

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.360
<v Speaker 3>were pre pandemic. So it's like I'm thinking, maybe this

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.399
<v Speaker 3>is what they will be like when they're finally back.

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.839
<v Speaker 3>No one will actually know how to entertain multiple people

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 3>at a dinner table, and we'll just like go around,

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:18.280
<v Speaker 3>am I not saying?

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Right? Yeah, everybody will just go on at length about

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 1>how your mental balance is awesome and and make sure

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:30.440
<v Speaker 1>that your lawyer can can hear them saying that. Now,

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.760
<v Speaker 1>why this whole performance, Well, it's because Duprex, the lawyer,

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>has brought a new copy of Ingram's will, and everybody

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 1>there asked to sign it to testify that Ingram is

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of sound mind when he authorizes this this version of

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the will. And then Ingram plays the piano for everybody,

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and I was wondering, Okay, so is Duprex the lawyer

0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 1>getting paid to have dinner and listen to him play

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the piano.

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean probably, so you know, he's he's you know,

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:55.959
<v Speaker 3>he's charging by the hour.

0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, later in the garden, Conrad and Julie meet up,

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and I think this is the first time we really

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:05.759
<v Speaker 1>see them having some alone time, and they discussed what

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 1>they each want. Conrad confronts her about whether she's leaving,

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:13.479
<v Speaker 1>and she says, how did you know? And then Conrad says,

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 1>there are three forms of communication, the telephone, the telegram,

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and the commisario. Commisario is the fastest. So it's like

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>gossip cop strikes again. I don't know if that is

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.680
<v Speaker 1>unique to the character in this movie, or was there

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>a general idea at the time that, like late nineteenth

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>century Italian police were huge gossips.

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess I just I figured he's he's kind of

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 3>the you know, a central part of the community. He

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of knows what's going on with everybody, and he's

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 3>also he's also very a nosy about everything.

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Right he is. And they talk about what they want,

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 1>and it's a very tender scene and She discusses how

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 1>she feels guilty but also that she has to escape,

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 1>and Conrad confesses that he's in love with her, and

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 1>it seems like she likes him too, so they decide

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 1>to run away together and they kiss. Meanwhile, Peter Laurie

0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.680
<v Speaker 1>is creeping on them from behind the hedges where he

0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 1>overhears everything and you can just see the anguish in

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 1>his face. He's like, no, my astrology research, I will

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:18.200
<v Speaker 1>never achieve awesome power unless I sabotage this right now.

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 1>So he goes to Ingram and just immediately tattles.

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah, He's like, like, Conrad's out there, he's talking

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 3>to Julie. They were smoochin. He's going to take her

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 3>away from you, and we can't let that happen, Ingram.

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 1>But of course Ingram, he doesn't want to hear this,

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, is this is rocking his world and he's

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 1>not happy with it. So he becomes enraged and brutally

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.640
<v Speaker 1>chokes Hillary with his left hand, and Julie runs in

0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 1>just in time, just in time to save Hillary's life,

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>and dude has horrible scars on his throat. Ingram orders

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Hillary out of the house. He says, I never want

0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 1>to see you again. And oh, we also see that Duprex,

0:55:58.600 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the lawyer is nearby.

0:55:59.600 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Spy.

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice how many scenes of a character hiding

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 1>in the shadows spying on other characters there were in

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 1>this movie. It's constant, it is.

0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of conniving and eavesdropping in this picture.

0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 1>But later that night, the spookiness sets in because the

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:22.240
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere changes. Wind tears through the gardens and the window

0:56:22.280 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>shutters are banging and clattering in the dark, and then

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 1>ominous music swells as Ingram senses something and he wakes up.

0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 1>He gets out of bed, he gets into his wheelchair,

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and he goes out to the main hall where he

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:38.319
<v Speaker 1>believes he hears a ghostly figure playing his piano like

0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>he hears his own piano performances. But there's nobody there,

0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:46.000
<v Speaker 1>nobody at the piano, and this appears to drive him

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 1>mad and he ends up falling down the stairs and

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:49.120
<v Speaker 1>he dies.

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a weird scene. It was a weird

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.360
<v Speaker 3>scene at the time, not knowing what was going to happen,

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:56.359
<v Speaker 3>and by the end of the film, looking back on it,

0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I have a lot of questions about what was actually

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:02.400
<v Speaker 3>occurring here. But they do that kind of like wayvy

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 3>optical effect that makes it feel like there is some

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 3>sort of delusion going on here, that he is hallucinating

0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 3>and is unwell.

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Now, given what we find out at the end of

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the movie, though, do you think there was a hidden

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 1>record player involved in this scene?

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I want to make an argument for it,

0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:24.919
<v Speaker 3>but then I feel like if that were the case,

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 3>it would break a lot of things about the plot

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 3>as we understand it, because it means there's some other

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 3>villain at play here. Well, I don't know, could.

0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Be Hillary a hidden record player to drive them in

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 1>mad by thinking that he's hearing somebody playing his own music.

0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:46.840
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I don't know it. It doesn't feel like a

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 3>perfect fit for some reason. I'm not sure though.

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I guess that's jumping ahead to the Scooby

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Doo ending, which we'll have to come back to in

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:56.680
<v Speaker 1>a bit. But I thought also, I know they weren't

0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 1>doing this on purpose, but there was a bit of

0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>slightly awkward editing where for some reason it cuts from

0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Ingram's death scene to church bells and mourners in procession,

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and for some reason, the feeling the edit suggests is

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that this is Ingram's funeral, and it's like fifteen minutes later.

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like Ingram died and they just called the whole

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 3>town over. They're like, all right, everybody, come, it's happened.

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 3>We got to do this now.

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's because they're both at night, and I

0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know something visual about the cut. It just makes

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 1>it seem like and then a few minutes later, here's

0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:30.720
<v Speaker 1>where we are, and Ingram's laid out on a big

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.960
<v Speaker 1>black cushion and people are observing him, and the Commissario

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.360
<v Speaker 1>even comes to the funeral where he and Conrad have

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 1>some Marsala together and talk things over, and they discuss

0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 1>how Ingram's money grubbing. Distant relatives have already showed up.

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:49.200
<v Speaker 1>They are here to claim their inheritance. They want the money.

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>And these are a couple of American guys from London

0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 1>named Raymond and Donald Arlington. Raymond is the father played

0:58:57.560 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>by Charles Dingle, and I think he is supposed to

0:58:59.920 --> 0:59:03.320
<v Speaker 1>be the Ingram's brother in law. He was married to

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Ingram's sister. I think correct, yes, and then Donald is

0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:11.480
<v Speaker 1>his son, and they say, yeah, we're his only living relatives,

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 1>so they think that they are here for some money.

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>And oh oh, and there are people, of course mourning outside,

0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and the commissario explains, oh, these are the professional mourners.

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 1>They will be mourning through the night. It is customary

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:28.880
<v Speaker 1>in these parts. And Raymond and Donald are obviously they're

0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 1>very stuffy types and they're bothered by all of the

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:35.160
<v Speaker 1>audible mourning. So Donald is like, ask those witches to

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:40.200
<v Speaker 1>stop howling. And they're not very sympathetic to local customs.

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, they're not looking to put down roots here, they're

0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.600
<v Speaker 3>looking to collect and cut out right.

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:49.120
<v Speaker 1>In fact, they're even they focus on the occult books,

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the astrology books. Raymond Donald start just grabbing books off

0:59:52.920 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the shelf and they're like, oh, Lombardo's Astrology a you know,

0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the British Library will give me ten pounds for this book.

1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:05.760
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, Peter Lourie is in the background going like no.

1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:08.080
<v Speaker 3>It's it's a kind of an alarming scene where he

1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:13.720
<v Speaker 3>actually gets in in Donald's face. Yeah, and it's like

1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:16.320
<v Speaker 3>tells him to leave the books alone, and it's it's

1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:19.760
<v Speaker 3>one of those moments where like Laurie is intimidating in

1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.280
<v Speaker 3>this moment, like maybe he's even a little too intimidating,

1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:25.480
<v Speaker 3>like they actually maybe should have done another take and

1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 3>backed it up a little bit, you.

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well he's furious and you understand why,

1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:35.600
<v Speaker 1>like they're undercutting his his wizard quest and just to

1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:38.800
<v Speaker 1>get a few pounds from the British Library. So so

1:00:39.000 --> 1:00:44.760
<v Speaker 1>immediately there is conflict over who will be inheriting the goods.

1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a classic murder mystery setup, right, it's you know,

1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:50.640
<v Speaker 1>there are a ton of movies like this. Oh you know,

1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it's actually the same premise as Knives Out.

1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:56.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought, really, you know, thinking back on Knives Out,

1:00:56.720 --> 1:01:00.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, fine film would have benefited from a disembodied hand. Yes,

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:09.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe they're going to do that in the sequel.

1:01:10.440 --> 1:01:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, So everybody's got to fight over the dead man's possessions,

1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and we get a reading of the will scene where

1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:20.720
<v Speaker 1>we learn, gasp that in the most recent revision of

1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:22.600
<v Speaker 1>his will, the one that everybody had to come to

1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:25.320
<v Speaker 1>dinner and talk about how sane he was in order

1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:30.280
<v Speaker 1>to make possible, Ingram radically changed the distribution of his assets.

1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:33.520
<v Speaker 1>So in the previous draft, everything had been going to

1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Donald Arlington, the mean youth, who was like, make those

1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:41.960
<v Speaker 1>witches be quiet, and now Ingram has changed it so

1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that all of his possessions are instead going to Julie.

1:01:45.200 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 1>And obviously the Arlingtons do not like this. They're here

1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:50.480
<v Speaker 1>for the money, and when they find out they're not

1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:53.440
<v Speaker 1>getting the money, they're instantly threatening to sue. They say

1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:55.400
<v Speaker 1>they're going to go to court and get this will

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<v Speaker 1>thrown out so that they can get possession of the

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<v Speaker 1>Villa Francesco and all of Hillary's press astrology books. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's some scheming that goes on. Oh, Duprex, the lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing some triple dealing. He's like telling the Arlington's

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<v Speaker 1>in private that if they will promise him a third

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<v Speaker 1>of the inheritance, that he will come work for them

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<v Speaker 1>and definitely get the new copy of the will thrown

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<v Speaker 1>out in court. Yeah, and it seems like a done deal.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like okay, and Duprex is like okay, tomorrow the

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<v Speaker 1>will will be broken. But later that night, strange things

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<v Speaker 1>start happening. For example, the servants in the kitchen notice

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<v Speaker 1>there is a light out in the mausoleum where Ingram's

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<v Speaker 1>body was laid to rest. And this is apparently so

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<v Speaker 1>frightening that when the maid in the kitchen sees it.

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<v Speaker 1>She screams and drops something breakable on the floor, which

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to me a little bit excessive. Just seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a light in the crypt that is that scream worthy?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, might be something to be alarmed about,

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<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't necessarily mean that Dad or coming back

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<v Speaker 3>to life.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Arlingtons go to investigate, but they find nobody

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<v Speaker 1>out there, nothing out of the ordinary. But later that

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<v Speaker 1>night Duprex, oh, he has a date with He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have a whole handful of trouble, and we get some

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful close ups on his face. I'm sorry you listeners

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<v Speaker 1>out there cannot see the screen grabs I got and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having rob look at right now, but wide eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a really great part. Is like you see a

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<v Speaker 1>hand wearing Ingram's ring reach around a door as it

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<v Speaker 1>creeps open, and then Duprex is like pinned up against

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<v Speaker 1>the wall doing the like face back, nostrils flaring kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that it's coming to get me. The Mummy

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<v Speaker 1>is going to break my neck. And honestly, I miss

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<v Speaker 1>Duprex when he's gone from the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he was a fun presence.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's just got one of those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>curious looking faces that is nice to round out a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh but also, somebody starts playing piano in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night, sounding just like Ingram, and people are

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<v Speaker 1>woken up by the sound. But when they go to investigate,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no one at the piano, though Ingram's giant ring

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<v Speaker 1>is there. It's sitting on top of the piano. And

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<v Speaker 1>they find a dead lawyer in the corner of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's dup Rex. He has been choked. So oh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it looks like the Arlingtons aren't going to get

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<v Speaker 1>their special astrology books after all. But the police are

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<v Speaker 1>called in to investigate, and what do you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>our old friend, the Commissario gossip cop once again, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's there to do all the forensics. So they look

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<v Speaker 1>for fingerprints. They take fingerprint dustings from the piano and

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<v Speaker 1>they compare those to everybody alive in the house, and

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that they match no one alive in

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<v Speaker 1>the house. Huh. So there's a lot of talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, motive, who could it have been? And they

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<v Speaker 1>do discuss that a former will existed that would have

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<v Speaker 1>left everything to Donald, which would seem to implicate Julie

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<v Speaker 1>or implicate Conrad as Julie's ally, and so people go

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<v Speaker 1>all around pointing fingers. But I love how Conrad just

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<v Speaker 1>comes straight out and he's like, well, obviously Ingram's ghost

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<v Speaker 1>killed Duprex because he didn't want his will contested. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the Kammisario is like, but there are no such

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<v Speaker 1>things as ghosts. But then there's a there's just absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>exquisite logic scene that follows. So the Kammasario is like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we know it was a ghost? I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen a ghost, and Conrad says, neither have I, but

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<v Speaker 1>one can never be absolutely sure they don't exist. So

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<v Speaker 1>oh well, then it must have been a ghost. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't prove they don't exist. Then therefore this murder

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<v Speaker 1>was done by one.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's it's believe. It was what the Sherlock

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<v Speaker 3>Home quote, you know, when when all natural.

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<v Speaker 1>Excluded the impossible, the improbable room whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so in this it's it's similar. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>if you've thought of the impossible, just stick with that.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, anyway, the next day, everybody goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>mausoleum to investigate a lead about the light in the

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<v Speaker 1>crypt of the night before, and they find a number

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<v Speaker 1>of very odd things. There is a tiny window broken

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<v Speaker 1>from the inside to the outside, with a little jagged

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<v Speaker 1>opening that a person could clearly not fit through.

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<v Speaker 3>And they also's point, I'm getting excited like that. That

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, well, we're getting there, we're getting to

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<v Speaker 3>the hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a hand, and the coffin has

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<v Speaker 1>been tampered with. They open it up and uh oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the corpse of Ingram is missing its left hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this was really excellent, I thought, because yeah, everybody shocked,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was afraid they weren't going to show it.

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<v Speaker 3>But then they do show it. There's a knife in

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<v Speaker 3>like the paralyzed hand. Yeah, and then there's the bloody

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<v Speaker 3>stump where the superpowered hand was previously.

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<v Speaker 1>Attached, right. And then they also find outside the broken

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<v Speaker 1>window no footprints, but hand prints, yeah, single a line

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<v Speaker 1>of single hand prints, as if a hand by itself

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<v Speaker 1>was crawling along the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Or if not crawling, then at least like flip flopping,

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<v Speaker 3>like doing yea some sort of a fish out of

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<v Speaker 3>a water thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's a kind of fun sequence where they

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<v Speaker 1>go out in public. Conrad and Julie like go to

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<v Speaker 1>the cafe to get some brandy, and the whole town

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<v Speaker 1>just shuns them because apparently they believe somebody at the

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<v Speaker 1>Villa Francesco has the evil eye and they just can't

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<v Speaker 1>can't do business with them anymore. Even like the guy

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<v Speaker 1>at the cafe who had served them before is like,

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<v Speaker 1>I reserve the right to refuse service. You can't come

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<v Speaker 1>in here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I think Conrad's realize. He's like, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to leave because otherwise we will starve.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody will feed us.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, They're going to be starved out of the town.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also they meet up with the Commissario and

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<v Speaker 1>there is new evidence. I think he says, am I

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<v Speaker 1>right about this. He's like, Okay, so the fingerprints on

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<v Speaker 1>the piano who we assume belonged to the killer, they

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<v Speaker 1>were Ingram's and they were not older than a day,

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<v Speaker 1>so this would have been after Ingram was dead. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>can you date fingerprints?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can do anything with forensics in a

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<v Speaker 3>motion picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh. But at some point the Kammissario seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be won over because he says, in my mind, there

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<v Speaker 1>is no doubt the hand is walking around, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say it's right about here that the movie transitions into

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<v Speaker 1>high gear hand mode, would you agree, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, absolutely. And I was totally on board with

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<v Speaker 3>all of this because it's clear that this is a

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<v Speaker 3>disembodied hand crawling around attacking people in the night. And

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<v Speaker 3>they have some just some fabulous scenes follow.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, there's a great confrontation between Hillary and Donald Arlington

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<v Speaker 1>the shut those witches up, kid, and so Donald Arlington

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<v Speaker 1>comes into Hillary's office and he's like, hey, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you expecting to find in all these old astrology books?

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<v Speaker 1>And Peter Laurie says that you know the law that

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<v Speaker 1>changes unknown fate into scientific fact. Oh great, And as

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<v Speaker 1>an example or a demonstration of what he can predict

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<v Speaker 1>with his astrology knowledge, he's like, hey, Donald, did you

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<v Speaker 1>know that there were two other people who lived hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago who have the same birthday as you

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<v Speaker 1>and they both died by being choked to death. And

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<v Speaker 1>Donald's like wow, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, He's like, well, good, I hate surprises, like a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a fun comeback.

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<v Speaker 1>There, and they oh oh oh. And then there it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out Donald remembers where there was a safe hidden

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<v Speaker 1>behind the bookcase in the study here because he saw

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<v Speaker 1>Ingram open it when he was a young child. He

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<v Speaker 1>remembers there is a jingle to summon the combination to mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and Donald comes back later in the night to try

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<v Speaker 1>to return to the safe. But then meanwhile the commissario

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<v Speaker 1>is in the house. He's like hiding out behind the fireplace,

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<v Speaker 1>watching from the shadows, and it's those bad fingers striking

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<v Speaker 1>once again. Donald's creeping around and he opens up the

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<v Speaker 1>door to the study a crack while the commissario is looking,

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<v Speaker 1>and a hand reaches around as if from behind, and

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<v Speaker 1>grabs him by the throat, wearing the Ingram ring. But

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<v Speaker 1>this time it's like, man, this is a lock, because

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<v Speaker 1>the police detective is right there and he witnesses the

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<v Speaker 1>attack by the killer hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so at this point I'm completely convinced and excited

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<v Speaker 3>to see more of the hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Though technically still the hand, you can't see if it

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<v Speaker 1>belongs to an arm or not, because it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>door is only open a crack.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say one of the advantages to the plotting

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<v Speaker 3>here is that at this point in the film you

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<v Speaker 3>might not know exactly how good the special effects will

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<v Speaker 3>be and so you don't know if the limitations here

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<v Speaker 3>are based on what was possible with the effects, Like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the hand is always going to attack people close

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<v Speaker 3>to a door, because that's all that's possible with the filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So Donald is not killed, he is injured, and

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<v Speaker 1>Julie says that there is a possibility of brain fever,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's there recovering in the night. Meanwhile, the servants

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<v Speaker 1>all flee the villa because they believe that the hand

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<v Speaker 1>is loose and it's the devil. And then later that

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<v Speaker 1>night there is one of the best scenes in the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>this great long one on one scene between Peter, Lorie

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<v Speaker 1>and the hand and we finally see the hand revealed

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<v Speaker 1>in all its glory.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's pretty great. I mean, you know

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what it's going to be nowadays, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be that effect of the disembodied hand, like they've somehow,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, cut out the rest of the body. Today

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<v Speaker 3>today you would accomplish it with a like a green

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<v Speaker 3>suit with everything covered except for the hand. But it

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<v Speaker 3>looks really good.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens in the scene, Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's I mean, it's cool. I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty complex scene, I guess because it's it's crawling across

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<v Speaker 3>the table. It's crawling towards Hillary and the ring that

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<v Speaker 3>he was looking at that he puts out on the

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<v Speaker 3>table crawls out of this box like a crab, like

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<v Speaker 3>a spider, and he's like overcome with this, this complex

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<v Speaker 3>array of Peter Laurie emotions a lot of dread in there,

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<v Speaker 3>but also this sense of maybe wonder. The hand crawls

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<v Speaker 3>across the table to him, and then it kind of

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<v Speaker 3>it sort of does a dinosaur, you know, like how

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<v Speaker 3>you do with your your hand where you put the

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<v Speaker 3>middle finger becomes the like a brachiosaurus neck. It kind

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<v Speaker 3>of does that. But it's clear what it is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>It is doing what Ingram did in life. It is

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<v Speaker 3>reaching out and asking if the ring be put on

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<v Speaker 3>the finger. Oh so good, and Laurie's character Hillary does it,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, it's a pretty a pretty crazy scene, a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty horrifically satisfying scene, especially for a picture from the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forties.

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<v Speaker 1>But then Laurie he gets the better of the hand

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<v Speaker 1>and he ends up trapping it in a drawer and

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<v Speaker 1>he runs and get gets Conrad's help. He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come look, the hands alive. I caught it in a drawer.

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<v Speaker 1>But when then when they go check, it's not there,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hillary has this epic fit of screaming, searching around

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<v Speaker 1>for the hand. He's all over the place. He eventually

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<v Speaker 1>finds the hand hiding behind a bunch of books and

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<v Speaker 1>the book.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a great sequence too, because it shot. It's

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<v Speaker 3>shot from the point, you know, the impossible point of

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<v Speaker 3>view of behind the bookshelf, and we see Laurie's mad

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<v Speaker 3>face the whole time as he's pulling these books off

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<v Speaker 3>the shelf. And then the hand's cowering like a like

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<v Speaker 3>a cornered spider, like a corner tarantula behind the last

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<v Speaker 3>two books, and he pulls those off as well, and

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<v Speaker 3>he grabs it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he wrestles with the hand and then ends

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<v Speaker 1>up nailing it to a base.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, such a good scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Oh. And then later Donald and Raymond they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to I think Donald remembers how to open the

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<v Speaker 1>safe to get the whatever it is out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's looking for. Maybe it's the will or something I

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<v Speaker 1>don't recall, but he's trying to get in there. And

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<v Speaker 1>they managed to open up the safe and then when

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<v Speaker 1>they do what's inside the safe? It's the severed hand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Donald sees it and then runs away screaming. But

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<v Speaker 1>then we get the final sort of confrontation and real sequence.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we describe that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so at this point in the film that we've

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<v Speaker 3>come up to it, like, it really feels like this

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<v Speaker 3>hand is a reality, right, Yeah, there, we've seen it

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<v Speaker 3>crawling around, I guess. But then you quickly are made

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<v Speaker 3>to realize who has actually seen the hand in its

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<v Speaker 3>full glory. Only one character, Peter, and that's Peter Laurie's

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<v Speaker 3>Hillary character. No one else has seen it crawling around

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<v Speaker 3>on the table, and no one else has nailed it down.

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<v Speaker 3>And his attempts to show it to other people, come, look,

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<v Speaker 3>it's in the drawer haven't actually panned out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Donald and Raymond did see it in the safe,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't moving. It's laying there in the safe.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we're coming to the realization that, yes, that

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<v Speaker 3>corpse's hand is missing, that corpse's hand is in the safe,

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<v Speaker 3>nailed to a board, but perhaps it isn't actually alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps only Peter Laurie's character Hillary thinks that the hand

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<v Speaker 3>is alive and if that that is the case, well

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<v Speaker 3>who's doing all the strangling, Well it would have to

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<v Speaker 3>be Peter Lourie's character.

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary, right, And that's the conclusion that Julie seems to

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<v Speaker 1>come to. There's kind of a confrontation between Julie and Hillary,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Hillary tries to choke her but fails, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he further descends into madness. He loses his mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and he thinks he sees the hand everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And there's a scene where he's he's coming and

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<v Speaker 3>increasingly unhinged, and he's approaching her with a knife and

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<v Speaker 3>she kind of turns the tables on him. She plays

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<v Speaker 3>into his madness and she's like, no, you're right, it

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<v Speaker 3>is the hand. We've got to get that hand. We've

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<v Speaker 3>got to stop that hand. And that buys her a

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<v Speaker 3>little time.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on team anti hand. Yeah, but I think what

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<v Speaker 1>we're supposed to understand is that so Hillary did indeed

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<v Speaker 1>sever the hand, Yes, And so he went to the

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<v Speaker 1>grave cut off the hand and then used the severed

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<v Speaker 1>hand to attack the lawyer Duprex and like put the

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprint all over the piano and stuff to fool everybody

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<v Speaker 1>and make make them think the hand had come back

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<v Speaker 1>to life, but then he started to believe his own story,

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<v Speaker 1>and as he's losing his mind, he thinks the hand

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<v Speaker 1>is actually pursuing him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's kind of a healthy dose of the telltale

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<v Speaker 3>heart and all of the swear. Yeah, he's driven mad

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<v Speaker 3>by his own crimes and begins to believe that the

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<v Speaker 3>hand is actually alive, begins to see the hand, and

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<v Speaker 3>then ultimately, you know, ends up battling the hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a great SmackDown scene where he fights the

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<v Speaker 1>hand and in the end he has to purge it

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<v Speaker 1>by fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, throws the hand into the fireplace. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is all just a great showcase for Laurie. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he gets to act mad and physical and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just enraged and also full of horror. Really fun performance

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<v Speaker 3>that he didn't think we were going to get, because again,

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<v Speaker 3>the first half of the film, you can easily imagine

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be all this character Conrad battling the

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<v Speaker 3>hand and saving the female lead at the end. But

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<v Speaker 3>Conrad's never really not seen much.

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<v Speaker 1>What's he doing. He's somewhere, you know, having.

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<v Speaker 3>A smoke or something. I guess, selling some crap to

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<v Speaker 3>some tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, he's trying to sell Julie some cameos. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, after this big confrontation, wait, I'm suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>forgetting Hillary dies. But how does he die?

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<v Speaker 3>The hand it chokes him. He falls down, and then

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<v Speaker 3>we do a fade where the hand disappears to make

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<v Speaker 3>it clear to the audience. I guess that the hand

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<v Speaker 3>was a figment of his imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>So did he choke himself?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I thought that when the hand disappeared it was

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<v Speaker 3>or the hand was going to be shown to be

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<v Speaker 3>his own hand, But then there's no hand there at all,

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if it's just like he died

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<v Speaker 3>via psychic damage from the madness, or if he it's

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<v Speaker 3>implied that he choked his self and it's just maybe not.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't really show it on screen in a way

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<v Speaker 3>that was convincing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a full on Scooby Do ending because they

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<v Speaker 1>like uncover all of the like here's what they were

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<v Speaker 1>do it because there is a gramophone. There's like a

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<v Speaker 1>record player inside a suit of armor that was hidden

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<v Speaker 1>there to apparently simulate Ingram's ghost playing the piano, because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a recording of Ingram playing and they would

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<v Speaker 1>and that they said that Hillary would play that in

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<v Speaker 1>order to fool people into thinking that Ingram was running around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is great. We love an ending. When they

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<v Speaker 3>describe something, they give you all the details in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that it makes no sense whatsoever. Like, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 3>means that it's such a good vinyl recording where it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a good late nineteenth century sound system that it's

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<v Speaker 3>indistinguishable from live piano performance. People in the house are

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<v Speaker 3>just like, the piano is clearly playing the dead have

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<v Speaker 3>come back to life, right, And it just feels like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's one of these ending. It's like, don't worry,

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing supernatural exists. There are no monsters, there are

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<v Speaker 3>no hands. This was all just a clever scheme and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't clever and for the good guys, don't you

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<v Speaker 3>forget it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then the commisario does the whole comedy routine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's the glove. There's like the glove that's dropped

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<v Speaker 1>on the stairs and you think it's a hand, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it's just a glove.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I thought they were, Oh, maybe they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go for it and they're going to have the

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<v Speaker 3>twist ending. Nope, the hand is real. The hand was

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<v Speaker 3>real the whole time, and it's going to kill you.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have loved that, and I thought that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we were getting. But then they're like, no, he just

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<v Speaker 3>dropped a glove and it made a made faint.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's like four twist endings that they take back.

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<v Speaker 1>Then later you think that they're doing it again because

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<v Speaker 1>the hand with the ring is creeping up at the

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<v Speaker 1>Kamasario's neck while he's doing comedy into the camera. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he's like, oh, it is my own hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's absolutely terrible. It says like, come on, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like you're making fun of the film that we

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<v Speaker 3>just watched and enjoyed. But like we said, it seems

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<v Speaker 3>to have been more or less the style of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, didn't Edgar Allan Poe do this, you know

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<v Speaker 3>where at the end of the Telltale Heart he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he's talking about the Maddening Beach, just kidding,

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<v Speaker 3>is not a real heart at all. I'm just it

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<v Speaker 3>was all in my mind, isn't that kookie? Isn't it crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>There are no undead hearts people don't worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, all right, Well, I feel like we got

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap it up for the beast with five fingers.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, yeah, let's do it. But hey, if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to see this film yourself, I guess for the

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<v Speaker 3>most part, you're in luck because it is widely available

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<v Speaker 3>to purchase or rent digitally. You can also pick it

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<v Speaker 3>up on DVD. But on the other hand, we were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about this before we recorded. This doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>be a film that's received any like remastering love or

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<v Speaker 3>certainly doesn't seem to have been released on Blu Ray

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. So maybe we'll get that in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>And that being said, it's still a beautiful looking film.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like the film quality is degraded or anything

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<v Speaker 3>to any degree that makes it unwatchable. But I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it deserves more love than it's seen. Agreed, all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>write in if you have thoughts on this particular film

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<v Speaker 3>or other crawling hand movies related crawling hand movies that

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't cover. I'd also love to hear from anyone

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<v Speaker 3>out there who plays the piano. What's the deal with

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<v Speaker 3>with one headed piano? Is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Is?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess is that a thing? Let us know.

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