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Speaker 1: more on the funeral of George Herbert Walker Bush. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Linda, you were talking about this really doesn't

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Speaker 1: it just it's so unnecessary, you know the look. Let

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Speaker 1: me be very frank, God forbid. One day we're all

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Speaker 1: gonna pass away, right Linda? Yeah, boss, Okay, yeah, boss.

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Speaker 1: And when I told you when I passed away, you said,

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Speaker 1: I asked, well, you're gonna say anything in the funeral?

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Speaker 1: And you just look at me like you're so stupid.

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Speaker 1: Why do you talk about this like I can't any

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Speaker 1: if you're not because you're gonna be in a forest.

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Speaker 1: Yes I am. I'm going out in the wilderness of

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. God is in charge of all of

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't get sorry that talking. Why would you ask

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you do what You've been watching

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Speaker 1: one rule that I give a very very good eulogy,

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Speaker 1: and that you'll understand it. Well. We talked a lot

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Speaker 1: on the radio about Quaffee, and he made here's what

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Speaker 1: we really thought about you. That's what I would say

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Speaker 1: during your eulogy. I don't give a rip. I know

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Speaker 1: you'll be dead in the forest. I'll be alive in heaven,

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Speaker 1: looking down saying there she goes again, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I alive in heaven. Really that's interesting, Well, that's the

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Speaker 1: whole point of your soul goes to heaven. Yes. In

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Speaker 1: other words, I didn't finish my thought. If you look

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Speaker 1: at the majesty of creation, right, you look at the

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Speaker 1: smallest little, it'sy bitsy little insect, and then you work

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Speaker 1: your way up the through nature and then the and

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Speaker 1: then you look at the sun and the stars and

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Speaker 1: the clouds and the trees and the grass and gravity,

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Speaker 1: and then you see that there's a moon and and

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Speaker 1: and planets, and then soul solar systems, and then we

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Speaker 1: discover solar systems within solar systems, or then solar systems. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I know what's going to happen into any I know

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Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen. And I can't get into

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Speaker 1: this because the creation is so big, we not as

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Speaker 1: human beings, ever comprehend. When you get to have majesty

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Speaker 1: of God. That's Saint Peter will be standing at the

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Speaker 1: pearly gates and you'll say, in Saint Peter, will you

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Speaker 1: know as I'm trying to what's going to happen? You say,

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Speaker 1: hold on, Saint Peter, my phone's ring, and I just

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Speaker 1: gotta text this one guy one more second. I'm almost

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Speaker 1: done with this text, and then you can tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna care about it in heaven. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm gonna care about politics. You know That's but

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Speaker 1: you raise a question why politics that that maybe on

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Speaker 1: the on the scale of when we're on our deathbed

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Speaker 1: so important now won't matter. Then you know this old saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't think on your deathbed you're gonna be thinking about, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I should have worked harder, I should have made more money.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of true when you hear that, But think

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Speaker 1: about this. It's it's important because we know in the

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Speaker 1: last century alone that a hundred million human souls were

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Speaker 1: destroyed by human evil and governments and forms of government

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Speaker 1: and authoritarian regimes and Nazism and fascism and communism. So yeah, America,

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Speaker 1: which has been a shining city on a hill and

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Speaker 1: a beacon and a light for the concept of human

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Speaker 1: freedom and dignity and self governance. That's why it matters

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Speaker 1: because people, ultimately, the lives they're living now is important.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at most people, a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: majority of people, you know what government is not helping

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Speaker 1: them in their lives. That's why the policies. Just to

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Speaker 1: circle back to Reagan and H. W. Bush and H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush when they grew the economy, created twenty one and

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Speaker 1: a half million new jobs and the longest period of

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Speaker 1: peacetime economic growth in history to that point, and they

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Speaker 1: took on the evil Empire and the wall came tumbling down.

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Speaker 1: Not only were people prospering in their current life, but

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Speaker 1: the world was safer. And it's amazing to me that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing the same principles applied a different well. Stylistically,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is different, as every individual should be different.

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Speaker 1: He's an original and yeah, he's iconoclastic, and he picks fights,

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Speaker 1: and he's more brash, and he breaks dishes and he's

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Speaker 1: a disruptor. But what he's doing is exactly what Ragan

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Speaker 1: and Bush did. That's why I can never stand these

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Speaker 1: never Trumper phonies because they first they predicted he's really illiberal,

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Speaker 1: he's hiding his liberalism. And I kept saying that people, Nope,

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Speaker 1: you don't know this guy. Well what about he donated

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Speaker 1: to New York liberal politicians because it was the only

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Speaker 1: way he could get a building built in New York.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works. It's the only way the plumbers

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Speaker 1: and the electricians and the contractors and everybody, the drywall

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Speaker 1: hangers and the painters ever got work is because buildings

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Speaker 1: go up. And then yeah, he made a profit, oh

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Speaker 1: horror of all things. And then government wanted to come

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Speaker 1: in and take half of that. Governing in this world matters,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's a whole premise of what Thomas Pain

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Speaker 1: wrote in seventeen seventy six in common sense, were the

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Speaker 1: guides and dictates of human conscience irresistibly obeyed, there would

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Speaker 1: be no need for any other law giver. Translation. If

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Speaker 1: we were good people that always listen to God and

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Speaker 1: didn't weren't fallen, we wouldn't need a government. Government in

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Speaker 1: its best state, he continues, is but a necessary evil

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Speaker 1: and in its worst state, which I explained, the last century,

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Speaker 1: one hundred million humans holes destroyed because of governments and

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Speaker 1: wars and ideology and authoritarianism and Nazism, fascism, communism, and

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Speaker 1: now we deal with radical Islamic threats around the world.

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Speaker 1: That's why the Iranian issue matters. That's why on a

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Speaker 1: national security level, taking on a little rocket man and

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Speaker 1: you know, fire and fury and my buttons bigger than

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Speaker 1: your button is important, and why all these things matter.

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Speaker 1: So in this world it matters, and the next world

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Speaker 1: I assume that the cares of this world won't be insignificant,

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Speaker 1: but we kind of know what the ending is anyway.

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Speaker 1: But it's you agree with me about this one thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't think human beings have the capacity to understand

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Speaker 1: the full entirety and majesty of God. I just I

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Speaker 1: can't comprehend it. Maybe you can because you think you're

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Speaker 1: so smart. Well, God created me in his image, so

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Speaker 1: I can only live up to what he anticipated. I

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Speaker 1: could do curse as much as you in fornication under

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Speaker 1: command of the king. It's not my problem that fornication

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Speaker 1: under are you? Where did you get this answer. What

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Speaker 1: has happened to you? A special breed? Oh anyway, I

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Speaker 1: had no idea. Now you made me do it an hour.

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Speaker 1: Now we've Now we've spent an hour. It takes a

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Speaker 1: long time to explain morbidity. Senator Grassley is pressing the

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Speaker 1: FBI director of the story we did that last week

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Speaker 1: to explain the raid on the Clinton Foundation. Guy, the whistleblower.

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Speaker 1: M testimony on the foundation probe has been postponed from

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Speaker 1: the House Oversycho. Something's going on there. Muller is gonna

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Speaker 1: release the Flynn sentencing memo at some point tonight. This

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Speaker 1: is going to be interesting, considering the FBI, even James

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Speaker 1: Comey and Peter Struck never thought he lied, and so

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Speaker 1: he had to sell his house because they were after

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Speaker 1: him and the only thing they could get him on

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Speaker 1: it is a process crime, which is, oh, you lied

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Speaker 1: about the investigation that we can't find you guilty of.

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Speaker 1: So signed, or we're gonna go after your kids. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: That's how we treat American heroes. Now. By the way, oh, emails,

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Speaker 1: the National Republican Campaign Committee emails, did you see they

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Speaker 1: were stolen? Are pretty interests they were hacked during this

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Speaker 1: year's election cycle. I wonder who hacked them? There, guess

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Speaker 1: we better get on the phone, you know. Oh you

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Speaker 1: better not say, hey, Russia, do you have those hacked emails?

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Speaker 1: Because then you'll be a two two year investigation just

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Speaker 1: because you said who has them, even though we already

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Speaker 1: knew that other foreign intelligence services had Hillary's email. Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: judge of the scrutiny for possible role. And immigrants escape

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Speaker 1: from ICE, well, I mean maybe the person just needed

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Speaker 1: to be arrested in the sanctuary state of California because

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Speaker 1: they never hand over anybody to ICE. Unbelievable. But don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is going to give free healthcare to anybody.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what your status is legally legal, doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Free healthcare, doesn't matter what state you're from. You need healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Let's go out to California. Say thank you, Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: That's all you need to say to the doctor and

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Speaker 1: the nurse when when you go out there, people of

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Speaker 1: California now have said come here, free healthcare. They're apparently

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Speaker 1: willing to pay for it, all right, Peers Morgan, O'Reilly

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Speaker 1: and the story of Eddie Gallagher and Navy seal. It

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Speaker 1: is a scary story right hour too. Sean Hannity Show,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and ninety four one, Seawn, if you want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the program. And I've been chronicling,

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Speaker 1: how you know, here we have all of these people

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Speaker 1: that you know, you have people in the press just

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Speaker 1: decimate them every single day, presidents in particular, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the people that were

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Speaker 1: the meanest, the toughest, the utmost unfair person passes away.

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Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, you know, they'll say

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Speaker 1: the nicest things, but then they'll side track, and then

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Speaker 1: they'll use characteristics that they can use about the person

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Speaker 1: that just died that they never really liked anyway, or

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Speaker 1: never said that they liked that, just the opposite, and

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Speaker 1: they'll use it to go after the new guy that

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Speaker 1: they hate. You know, is that it we only get

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Speaker 1: nice words when we die, not when we're actually living.

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00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Politics is that prominent in our lives anyway? That's happened

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Speaker 1: with John McCain more recently, and also in the case

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Speaker 1: of George Herbert Walker Bush. You know, now it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well at least he was nice, but Donald Trump. Forget it.

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Speaker 1: I just played just a few of the highlights of

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Speaker 1: the media's NonStop, never ending destroy Trump mentality. Better be

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Speaker 1: ready for the fact that he might be leading Republican

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Speaker 1: ticket next year. I know you don't believe that, but

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Speaker 1: I want to go on. I understand why so many

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Speaker 1: people voted for him, to understand where you were coming from.

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Speaker 1: I understand why you liked him. But this man is

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Speaker 1: lying to you. Donald Trump is a president with whom

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Speaker 1: there is grave question about his fitness and ability to

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Speaker 1: conduct the office of the president. So I'll say it again.

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Speaker 1: This Russian connection just changed building, and every time it

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Speaker 1: builds and expand you have to wonder if Trump himself

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Speaker 1: is and worried about what's swrowing around under the coverage.

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Speaker 1: The entire world's watching, and of course, most importantly, Vladimir

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Speaker 1: Putin's watching. It seemed like yesterday was his love note

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Speaker 1: to Vladimir Putin. It is certainly an unusual speech, a

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Speaker 1: weird speech. Rocketman insulting Kim Jongan. Yes, I have thought

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Speaker 1: an awful lot about blowing up the White House. Of

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Speaker 1: course I want to punch him in affair. Right, sixteen

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Speaker 1: tweets today to start the new year. Some of them

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Speaker 1: deeply disturb but these are the messages from a person

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Speaker 1: who is not well. He said he's an excellent help,

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Speaker 1: but I mean the Sanja Gupta came out was like, ah, wow, ye,

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about excellent health. President Trump is

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Speaker 1: goading Kim Jong un to test a nuclear missile again

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Speaker 1: to prove its reliability, to show him wrong. The Stormy

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Speaker 1: saga takes a dramatic turn as the porn star speaks

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Speaker 1: out under alleged affair with citizen Trumps. Any previous president,

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Speaker 1: if you'd woken up to this all caps tweet threatening

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Speaker 1: or with Iran, you think he probably belongs in a

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Speaker 1: pod itself. But with Trump, this is kind of business

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Speaker 1: as normal, all right. That we could literally go on

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Speaker 1: an entire program here and play one more insane cut

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Speaker 1: after the other, and the obsession and it's every second,

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Speaker 1: every minute, every hour of every day. You know. Piers

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Speaker 1: Morgan joins us. He's the head of the Daily Mail UK.

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Speaker 1: He's also a big TV star in what's the name

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Speaker 1: of your morning show? The wake up morning show? You're doing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good morning, smiling head who needs espresso? When you got

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Speaker 1: Piers Morgan waking you up in the morning and uh

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Speaker 1: and coming out with something that's bounding the piss at

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Speaker 1: least half of Great Britain off on any given day exactly.

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Speaker 1: You know, you wrote a piece about this though, back

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Speaker 1: in August, and it's still apropos today. How the media

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Speaker 1: is playing well. You described as a dangerous role writing

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Speaker 1: the lines between opinion and and fact, and you know,

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00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: this poetic license that they take and jumping to conclusion

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Speaker 1: and advancing conspiracy theories with no evidence. It's pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: And they all say their journalists. I say, I'm a

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Speaker 1: talk show host, so they claim to be journalists. That's

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Speaker 1: the biggest problem to me. Yeah, I think the problem

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Speaker 1: is that there is huge money to be made from

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Speaker 1: Trump bashing. It's as simple as that. And whether you're

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Speaker 1: at CNN or MSNBC, or you're doing one of the

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Speaker 1: late night shows, or you're editing the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: or you're a liberal celebrity who has a very liberal audience,

637
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: there is a lot of money, a huge commercial imperative

638
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Speaker 1: to be as anti Trump as you can possibly be,

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Speaker 1: and it drives their news judgment, it warps their news judgment.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I'm in America, which I come over

641
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Speaker 1: quite regularly. I'm staggered by just how part is in

642
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Speaker 1: supposedly impartial news organizations have become and the only reason

643
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: they're doing it is because it's commercially beneficial. And I

644
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: think that is a real problem, and it's really at

645
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Speaker 1: the heart of I think Donald Trump's fury about fake news.

646
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: He's not saying everything they do is fake. What he's

647
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Speaker 1: saying is a lot of the hysteria, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the ridiculous wall toward twenty four seven treatment of every

649
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Speaker 1: tweet and everything he says, and everything is always twisted

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Speaker 1: into you know, this guy's the worse day in the

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Speaker 1: world because that's what makes some money and appeals to

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Speaker 1: the audience that in a way, when you add it

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Speaker 1: all together, becomes fake news. It does. And I say

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Speaker 1: that as a journalist who just is concerned by that.

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Speaker 1: And I think that Donald Trump, if he took away

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Speaker 1: the tweets, and you and I've discussed before that some

657
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: of his tweets have probably a little too inflammatory and

658
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: he goes after too many people. And you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a site to Donald Trump where if you punch him

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Speaker 1: a punchy ten times back and maybe as president. He

661
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: should just rain that back in a bit. I would

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00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: like him to, but there's no doubt that he has

663
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: come under more attack than any president that there's ever been.

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Speaker 1: It's ninety percent negative, it's relentless. And if you did

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Speaker 1: remove actually the rhetoric and the tweets from Donald trumps

666
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Speaker 1: administration so far, I think if this was another president,

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Speaker 1: say it was George Herbert Walker Bush, who would achieved

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Speaker 1: what Trump has achieved in two years, then you would

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Speaker 1: have to say he's made a very successful start in

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Speaker 1: many areas, both on the international state here lightly disagree.

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Speaker 1: I want that last point, and that is there's such

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Speaker 1: an ideological divide, and you have it in your country,

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Speaker 1: it's fairly common that there will never be an acknowledgement

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Speaker 1: that he does anything good. I would contend, well, it might,

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Speaker 1: it might come soon, it might come in twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Everything comes to listen. I don't think, by the way,

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Speaker 1: if anyone, when I ever pass away and all the

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Speaker 1: people that I know hate me, don't lie, Just say

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Speaker 1: what you said when I was alive, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you would. I will say, well, I will say I

681
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: like you, because I do like you, and I've always liked.

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Speaker 1: You think, now that I've gotten to know, I think riot,

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Speaker 1: I think you're I think you're honest about what you

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Speaker 1: stand for, what your opinions are. It's the ones who

685
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: are doing it purely because not because they particularly believe it,

686
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Speaker 1: because they know it's making them tons of money. That's

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Speaker 1: where I have a problem. That's where supposedly serious news organizations,

688
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I think have had their news judgment walked by the

689
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Speaker 1: lust to Trump Bash twenty four seven and make tons

690
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: of money. And I think it's a real problem. You

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Speaker 1: knew Donald Trump from the Apprentice, you actually won the

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Speaker 1: Apprentice in a tough year. What was your personal relationship

693
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Speaker 1: like with him? And do you see the qualities you

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Speaker 1: saw then in him now? Because one thing I think

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Speaker 1: I've noticed in him, and I've known him, you know,

696
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Speaker 1: a couple of decades now is that I see that

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00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: he has really grown into the job and his growth trajectory,

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Speaker 1: I think, and I think I'm being an objective is

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00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: has been fairly phenomenal. He's yeah, and actually I think

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Speaker 1: funny enough. Even in the last forty eight hours, I

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Speaker 1: think the way that he's responded to George Bush's death

702
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Speaker 1: has been really interesting. You know, everyone knows they didn't

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Speaker 1: get on. Everyone knows that Donald Trump has been feuding

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Speaker 1: with the Bushes ever since he ran for president. In fact,

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Speaker 1: before that, I've interviewed him in the past where he'd

706
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Speaker 1: been very critical of George W. Bush and his presidency.

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Speaker 1: He then went up to Jeff Bush. Obviously low energy

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Speaker 1: Jeff and so on. And we know that George H. W.

709
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Speaker 1: Bush was no fan of Trump and in fact voted

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Speaker 1: for Henry Clinton. So the normal Donald Trump response would

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00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: have been rather like his response to John McCain's death,

712
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Speaker 1: pretty scathing and probably not engaged at all. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he's done very presidential in the way that many people

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Speaker 1: would like him to be at moments like this, And

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Speaker 1: I'm actually glad to see that, Sean, because the Trump

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Speaker 1: but I knew from Celebrity Apprentice and have known really

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Speaker 1: since then twelve years, has a very warm and decent

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Speaker 1: and charming side to him. I think, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: and I understand some of the reasons, he's hidden that

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Speaker 1: away as president. As a candidate, he's preferred to be

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Speaker 1: on the front foot, punching away, being very aggressive, being

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Speaker 1: very tough, taking no nonsense. But I do think since

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Speaker 1: the mid terms. I've noticed a slight pivot in him

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Speaker 1: where I think, for example, over the California fires, his

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00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: immediate gut response was to go on the attack, blaming people,

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00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: and actually all you had to do was the easy

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Speaker 1: bit of being president. Just be there for the people

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Speaker 1: who were burning to death. Had the debate about forests

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Speaker 1: and so on later, but just in that moment, be presidential.

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Speaker 1: And there are moments when you just need to do that.

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Speaker 1: And I think over the Deathbert Walker Bush, he's been presidential. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he did do it. And I think that that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think he is as you say, he's

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Speaker 1: learning and evolving on the job. I think he's getting

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Speaker 1: better at the job. I think he gets a very

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Speaker 1: unfair rap. I like him very much personally. He's been

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Speaker 1: very loyal to me over the years, gone out of

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Speaker 1: his way to be loyal to me. And I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of what he's been doing, whether it's standing

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Speaker 1: up to Iran, whether it's standing up to China over trade,

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Speaker 1: which has been a disgraceful situation for decades involving a

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Speaker 1: merit's trade relationship with the Chinese, whether it's forging a

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Speaker 1: piece with North Korea, whether it's demanding that NATO members

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Speaker 1: pay their due. I think there are lots of things

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Speaker 1: he's doing which are very interesting, very unusual for an

746
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: American president, and actually he's right. So I think that

747
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: he gets a completely skewed and relentlessly negative treatment from

748
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Speaker 1: much of the media, which bears little relation to the reality.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it is because he's very abrasive and

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Speaker 1: combative with them. But if you look at him objectively,

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Speaker 1: I think you would have to say, after two years,

752
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: Trump is delivering on many of the things he promised

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Speaker 1: him to do, and whether you agree with it or not,

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Speaker 1: you have to accept he's probably achieved more in two

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Speaker 1: years than most presidents have ever achieved in their first

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Speaker 1: two years. I think that it's a blessing and a

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Speaker 1: curse scenario because I would view or describe him as

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Speaker 1: a disruptor, and he is somebody that has literally shaken

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Speaker 1: the bureaucracy that I would often refer to as the

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00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: deep state to its core, and it needed it. You know, Republicans,

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Speaker 1: I look, I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. A

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00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: lot of people think I'm a Republican because I usually

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00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: end up supporting the Republican president because I don't believe

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00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: in socialism, and that represents the modern Democratic Party. But

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Speaker 1: I would say he is a disruptor. He is somebody

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Speaker 1: that when he goes in to negotiate, he goes in hard.

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Speaker 1: He telegraphed all of these strategies in the art of

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Speaker 1: the deal and be it NATO, you know, saying that

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Speaker 1: America shouldn't pay seventy two cents of every dollar and

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Speaker 1: Angela Merkel ought not be helping to make Putin and

771
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Speaker 1: Russia rich again by making you know, energy deals with them.

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Speaker 1: He was right about that. He's so he's getting better

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Speaker 1: trade deals with our European allies, with Canada and Mexico.

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Speaker 1: We now have progress being made with China. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right on the Iranian deal North Korea. He's a force.

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Speaker 1: He is a force that has to be Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: in a good way. I think, Yeah, well, I think

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Speaker 1: any ways in a good way, and I think he is.

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Speaker 1: It has been really interstingct to me to watch him

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Speaker 1: in the last two days. I really think he's reacted

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Speaker 1: in a way that he wouldn't instinctively have reacted to

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Speaker 1: the death of George based out of the bush right

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Speaker 1: round and giving him giving the plane to going down

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Speaker 1: there and paying respects to and I think the Bush family,

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Speaker 1: to their credit, have invited him, and I think that

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Speaker 1: is that is good to see, you know, we do

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Speaker 1: at some stage. I think in America Sean, there needs

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Speaker 1: to be a coming together, right, there needs to be

789
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Speaker 1: a move by one side, and it could be very intransitent.

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Speaker 1: Both sides of get very stuck in their ways, very partisan,

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Speaker 1: and say it's therefore it's you know, I'm so on.

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Speaker 1: But people say, let me ask you the practicality of that.

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Speaker 1: When you know, either you believe in secure borders or

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Speaker 1: you believe in eliminating borders and getting rid of vice.

795
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Speaker 1: Either you believe in lower taxes, less bureaucracy, or or

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Speaker 1: you want to redistribute the wealth again. You know, you

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00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: either believe in a philosophy that would drop a one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars in cash and other currency

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Speaker 1: on the mac in Iran for the Mueller's the chant

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Speaker 1: death to America, or you put in the trade sanctions

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Speaker 1: that's gonna that's absolutely gonna squeeze their economy so tight

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Speaker 1: that they're capable of being of a collapse from within.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you reconcile? What is what are

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Speaker 1: these differences? Hang on one second, we got a break

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Speaker 1: more with Piers Morgan if you're just joining us. He

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Speaker 1: is the head of the Daily Mail UK also hosts

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Speaker 1: Wake Up a Great Britain UM, which is the number

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Speaker 1: one rated show in the mornings there And as we continue,

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Speaker 1: here's Morgan is with us. He is the head of

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Speaker 1: the Daily Mail UK. Um we left off. How does

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Speaker 1: America reconcile a modern democratic party? That from my perspective,

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00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: and it's not. It's very similar to what you see

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Speaker 1: in Britain, and that is you have labor right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you you've got a conservative movement, a conservative

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Speaker 1: party and completely apart over an issue. Right. What's gonna

816
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Speaker 1: happen with that? Well? I think it's it's very intractable.

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Speaker 1: It's a total mess, and both sides of dug into

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Speaker 1: positions where there's no point of agreement. And that's very

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00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: similar to what we see over Trump in America. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that what is incumbent on everyone in

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Speaker 1: America is to try and find points of agreement, and

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Speaker 1: where they could find it is where he stopped the hypocrisy.

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Speaker 1: And this is my real issue. About the way that

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Speaker 1: Trump is treated by it, certainly by many Democrats and

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00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: many liberal celebrities, they are rankly hypocritical. To take, for example,

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Speaker 1: the issue of illegal immigration, right. Obama was known as

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Speaker 1: the deporter in chief. He deported over three million illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrants from America, an all time record by any president.

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Speaker 1: And yet you ask any liberal in America or in

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Speaker 1: Britain if they know how many people he deported. They

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Speaker 1: haven't got a clue. They weren't interested, they didn't care,

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Speaker 1: They had no thought actually for what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there may be very good reasons for

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Speaker 1: every deportation he did. But let's not pretend that somehow

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama was not very, very tough on illegal immigration,

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Speaker 1: because he was. And I think that's where surely an

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Speaker 1: honest broker on the Democrat side could say, you know,

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Speaker 1: what actually were He sounded like Donald Trump back end

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Speaker 1: of the day to be blind, but he didn't. You

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Speaker 1: and by the way, Henry Clinton, as did Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 1: They all they've they've all talked up on this, and

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00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: so this idea that somehow is just Trump's been tough.

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Speaker 1: You no, there was actually an incident. I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: covered this in twenty thirteen at the very same border point,

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Speaker 1: involving a hundred migrants storming the border and being repelled

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Speaker 1: with a form of tear gas pepper spray and tear gas. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm the only person to report that, but

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Speaker 1: I know that even beside you, Pierre is always a pleasure.

849
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you being with us. I'd love to

850
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: have you on any time you're available, and uh wish

851
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: you were. Merry Christmas and a great holiday season for

852
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: you and your family, and you should all the very best.

853
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, you bet, Thank you, sir. Can

854
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: you explain how you were supposed to be the you are?

855
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: You're an any terrorist expert we brand was officially a

856
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: terrorist state. You w wanted those out of there, but

857
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: made a face of the world. President also got a

858
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: chance to see a supermarket checkout scanner in action. Kind

859
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: of seemed as though we'd never really seen one of

860
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: those before, and the President said that he was amazed.

861
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: The Bush campaign has really been a model and how

862
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: you elect somebody who who even his friends think is

863
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: a weak national candidate. We find it's very steady work

864
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: keeping up with Bushes lies. They do keep coming very

865
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: thick and fast. Lying is something that comes to him

866
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: alarmingly easily, in something that he resorts to with. I

867
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: think a slightly worrying sort of skill. Hi there, I'm

868
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: symphony rule. Clearly a little broken up. Breaking that pledge

869
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: showed the character and resolve of the man to do

870
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: which he was persuaded was the right thing to do economically,

871
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: even though he knew at the time that it might

872
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: guarantee that he'd be a one term president. We are

873
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: mourning something greater than one man. In some ways, we

874
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: are mourning an ideal because President George H. W. Bush

875
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: was the last of the greatest generation such respect for

876
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: the position, the institution of the presidency. What a special person,

877
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: what a patriot, What a person of service to this country,

878
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: and of just incredible decency volunteering to serve in World

879
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: War Two as I was going on a service as

880
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: ambassador's CIA director, Congressman, vice president, president, a whole life

881
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: of public service. Daldrup has been a life of service

882
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: to himself. They both believe that the presidency is bigger

883
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: than themselves, which is not something that this president always

884
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: adheres to. Bad I think this is also a twenty

885
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: four hours of nostalgia about what leadership used to look

886
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: like in this country. There's a great clip from nineteen

887
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: eighty when George H. W. Bush is challenged on his

888
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: how tough he is, and he talks about toughness is

889
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: about having values and standing for them, being principles. Toughness

890
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: is not attacking. He understood that the press wasn't the

891
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: enemy of the people and even said basically, at the

892
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: end of the day, we're all in this together, and

893
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: I will be here for you, just like I know

894
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: you would be here for me. What a remarkable difference

895
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: between nineteen eighty eight and twenty and eighteen Because a candidate,

896
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: he said, those who think we're powerless to do anything

897
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: about the greenhouse effect are forgetting about the white House effect.

898
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: And then he signed into law the Clean Air Act

899
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: Amendment of nineteen ninety, one of the most sweeping environmental statutes.

900
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Every this president that we have now is trying to

901
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: unravel everything that he did and Obama did, and we

902
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: focus on the president. Please, I don't want to talk

903
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: about trouble. We're honoring a great president, is Please. I

904
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about honoring, but I'm not interested in

905
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: your one issue. I don't care whither right back way?

906
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: Oh boy, let's stop that before it gets any worse. Apparently,

907
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, according to one of the New York

908
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: tabloids this morning, it was really ugly and Joy Behar

909
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: reported to really go after Megan McCain and say she

910
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. She's thinking of quitting. Use the

911
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: word that begins with a bee. According to those reports,

912
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: glad you with us twenty four now till the top

913
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: of the hour, eight hundred and nine four one, Shawn,

914
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of the program,

915
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: you know it's amazing. It's a phenomenon. Now you know

916
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: the very people the party referred to George Herbert Walker

917
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: Bush as a whimp. He doesn't know how to use

918
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: a grocery store scanner. How could anybody be that out

919
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: of touch committing crimes and accusations of crimes ran contra?

920
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: How dare he pardoned individuals involved or caught up in

921
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: an attempt to save Americans? And no talk or discussion

922
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: at the time of how great the Reagan Bush economic

923
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: inform POLO record happened to be twenty one million new

924
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: jobs created, longest period of peacetime economic growth Gorvichov. The

925
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: wall comes tumbling down with George H. W. Bush as president.

926
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: But the phenomenon of oh, just absolutely destroy somebody. Say

927
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: everything you want to say about them, every mean thing

928
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: you can while they're alive, and then when they die,

929
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: well you try to create the veneer or put a

930
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: veneer on a bipartisanship and say nice things, oh, and

931
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: then use him to bludge in the current guy, in

932
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: this case Donald Trump. Bill O'Reilly is with us. You've

933
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: interviewed all these presidents, including Obama. That's something I never

934
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: got to do, and so you have a perspective unlike

935
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: a lot of other people. Do you agree with my analysis?

936
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: John McCain, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush are treated

937
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: one way in life and then bludgeoned, you know, then

938
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: praised when they die. But not a nice thing was

939
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: ever said before. Yeah, I mean, I think we can

940
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: focus in on McCain and Bush the Elder because that's

941
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: very reason, you know, last night on Bill O'Reilly dot

942
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: com where to analysis every evening, I read the two

943
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: letters that President Bush the Elder sent me, with the

944
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: caveat that I was not to make them public. Until

945
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: he passed. And one of them is about press bias.

946
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: And this was written to me on December eight, two

947
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. I'm just going to quote a paragraph.

948
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: He goes, Dear Bill, First, I agree with you about

949
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: national press bias. There are, of course exceptions, but for

950
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: the most part, I think there's clear favoritism for the

951
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: liberals and for the Democrats. Of course, I may be

952
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: biased because some like the New York Times, they are

953
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: the worst, mercilessly hammer the president my son all the time,

954
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: and I don't like it. You ask about eighty eight

955
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: ninety two. I felt I got much fair treatment in

956
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: eighty eighth and a ninety two, and I don't recall

957
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: any advice on dealing with the press from my friend

958
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. And he goes on that he wasn't treated

959
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: fairly in neither was his son. But now in an

960
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: effort and it's pretty transparent to diminish President Trump, and

961
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: they're saying good things about Bush, like, well, we didn't

962
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: really like him then, but at least he was civil

963
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: in that. Look what we have the interesting on the

964
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Beyhar front. As you know, when I was on the

965
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: View a few years ago, Behar and Wippi Goldberg walked

966
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: off the show. By the way, that one of them.

967
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: That was one of the greatest moments in the Views history,

968
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: which is great for me. I just took her out

969
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: over I thought Barbara Wallten was gonna have a heart attack.

970
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: But I think I think they harm may leave that

971
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: showy may quit because she's basically now descended into the

972
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: world of hatred. She's not a pundent, she's not a comedian,

973
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: she's not a hostess. She's a hater and I think that,

974
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, Megan McCain U called her out pretty effectively

975
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: and said, listen, we're here to talk about a great man,

976
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: President Bush the Elder, and all you want to do

977
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: is use his passing to bash Donald Trump. And I

978
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: don't want to sit for it. I don't want to

979
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: hear it. That was pretty strong for Megan McCain and

980
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: they heart had no comeback. Then, well I want to

981
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: talking man gets you know, it was like everybody going,

982
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: you know what enough? I mean, whoope Goldberg, who I

983
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: happened to like, Uh, yeah, I do too. She's not

984
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: in the seam. No, I mean she just got out

985
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: of there. You can yeah, no, no, we'll take a

986
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: quick break, quick break, Well, get out back. She knew

987
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: that Armageddon was about to happen. Yeah, but look, I

988
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: don't watch it. Showed neither you nor nobody listened to

989
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: us watches it. It's just clips on the internet that

990
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: we see. It's it's a hate fest. Now it's well,

991
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing too, And a lot of people

992
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: don't know this. You're like a savant when it comes

993
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: to television numbers and ratings, and um, I don't have

994
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: the knowledge and ratings and analysis in my mind that

995
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: you do. And uh, what one thing that surprises people.

996
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: When I was having that big fight with Jimmy Kimmel

997
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: Twitter fight, my last one, I kind of put it

998
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: away after that and he ended up apologizing because I

999
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: was hitting them so hard. But you know Howard Sterner

1000
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: heard him coming on it, and he's being fair and

1001
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: he's best friends with Jimmy Kimmel, and I'm fine with that.

1002
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: But he said, why is Kimmel responding to Hannity a

1003
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: cable guy? Probably Hannity wants to be on the broadcast.

1004
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, my ratings are twice as high as his.

1005
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: What are you talking about with radio? It's three times. Well,

1006
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: Kimmel lost that. And it's not about ideology. It's about

1007
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: Look Americans when they when they are listening to a

1008
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: media person, no matter who it is, they will tolerate

1009
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: an enormous amount of bs, but they don't want you

1010
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: to be unfair. That is the real If you look

1011
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: at the cable news ratings, the people who succeed over time,

1012
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: they might be conservative, they might be liberal, but they're

1013
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: genuinely perceived as being fair. It's the haters who go

1014
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: down in flames. And Kimmel came across as nasty. And

1015
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, I know, and you know a good guy.

1016
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know the guy. I like him. I have

1017
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: to say I like him, but I thought, I think

1018
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: what's happened to him? And now he's running third uh

1019
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: and late night and all their numbers have collapsed. By

1020
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 1: the way, you on a daily basis on FNC beat

1021
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: all of them. Okay, so late night's not what it

1022
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: used to be, but the networks aren't built up. My

1023
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: point is that these networks daytime get nothing. It's it's

1024
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the number. It's the changing world, that's

1025
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: for sure. But Kimmell lost because it was perceived by

1026
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: the regular people that he was basically being nasty, unnecessarily nasty.

1027
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: Play that game, You're only going to get the idea

1028
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: loogs and it's not enough late night, And honestly, the

1029
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: only reason I engaged I thought it was so over

1030
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: the line, cruel, mean, and Milannia was just reading a

1031
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: book to children, right, and he just was mocking her. Absolutely,

1032
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: they don't want the American public don't want milanmi a.

1033
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: Trump dragged into this mess and disparaged. I've always said.

1034
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: People asked me, is there anything about Obama alike? And

1035
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, I think he seems like a

1036
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: really good dad. I think he's wrong. I vehemently disagree

1037
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: with his policies, but he seems to have a nice

1038
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: demeanor about him at times. He had a very powerful

1039
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: presence on the campaign trail. Looking back now, there was

1040
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: John McCain and he didn't have a shot in two

1041
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. What did you think of him? Okay?

1042
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: I spent some time with him, and I saw Michelle

1043
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: Obama be very kind to people while she didn't even

1044
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: know I was watching her. And she was very kind

1045
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: to my daughter, my young daughter at time and prison

1046
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: Obama himself is not a hater. He is a true believer.

1047
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: How he sees the world is different from how you

1048
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: see it and how I see it. But he doesn't

1049
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: hate us. And when my interactions with him were always respectful,

1050
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: we found common ground on the Brothers Keeper situation, mentoring

1051
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: inner city black males, and I helped him a lot

1052
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: on that, and he was very respectful to me. I

1053
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: have no beef at all about Barack Obama the man,

1054
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: and on policy. We gave him eight years. We the

1055
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: country gave him eight years. Yeah, it didn't turn out well. No,

1056
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: economically and foreign policy wise, it did not. However, he

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Speaker 1: respected the office. The White House ran effectively. It's just

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00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: that the policies did not work. You know, politics, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: you and I you're more I am a conservative, and

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: people and said why are you a conservative? And for example,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about George H. W. Bush and the Reagan years,

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Speaker 1: and Reagan was decimated by the media, as was forty

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Speaker 1: one and forty three, as is now forty five because

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01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: they're so left wing and their abusive, biased nature and etc.

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Speaker 1: But the reason is simple, Bill, is that we went

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Speaker 1: from adding thirteen million Americans and the Obama years to

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Speaker 1: food stamps and eight million more Americans in poverty and

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Speaker 1: the lowest labor participation rate. Now we have a million

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Speaker 1: more jobs available than people are on unemployment. We created

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Speaker 1: four and a half million new jobs, four hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: and manufacturing a loan, which Obama said more in coming back.

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Speaker 1: And you know you add to that eight million Americans

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Speaker 1: out of poverty and off of food stamps. And Trump's

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Speaker 1: been president less than two years. And for me, anybody

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01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: that's in politics ought to be serving. You used to

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Speaker 1: call them the folks they need to serve. I call

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Speaker 1: them the forgotten men and women that deserve freedom and

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Speaker 1: hope and opportunity in a ladder to success. Hey, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? I mean, you're actually citing facts. That's

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Speaker 1: not what it's all about. It's all about emotion. It's

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Speaker 1: all about emotion. How dare I cite a fact? O'reiley?

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Speaker 1: What's up with that? So the conservative, traditional American UH

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Speaker 1: tends to be self reliant. You would agree with that, right?

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Speaker 1: It tends to see the world as a place that

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Speaker 1: has to be challenged and you have to work hard

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Speaker 1: if to obey the rules, get educated and better playing taxes, yeah,

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: you gotta shut succeed. The liberal mind isn't like that.

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Speaker 1: Let me. I gotta run and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: cut your short here. These two letters that these two

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question. These two letters

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Speaker 1: you have, are you posting them on your website? You

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Speaker 1: said post them on a website tonight on Bill O'Reilly

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Speaker 1: dot com. I also have a letter he wrote about

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Speaker 1: Dan Rather, he doesn't like Dan show. I showed that

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Speaker 1: last night. That was a great moment for George W. Bush.

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Speaker 1: All right. Bill O'Reilly's book is called Sean very thank you,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. You please take back that slot. Please. You

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: know you'll let us down, let the folks down. Bill,

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Speaker 1: come on, we'll be number one again. We'll storm it,

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Speaker 1: all right. The book is called Killing the SS bookstores everywhere,

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Speaker 1: Amazon dot com. We have a link on our website,

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Speaker 1: Hannity dot com. And you're going to enjoy it's really fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Part of the killing series of Bill has been doing.

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Speaker 1: Brother represents what is best about this country. He fulfilled

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Speaker 1: a family tradition that we have of joining the service,

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: like his father and uncles and grandparents, enlisted at a

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Speaker 1: high school and became a medic, then a Marine scout sniper,

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Speaker 1: and then a Navy seal, which he's been for fourteen years.

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Speaker 1: It's been an eight combat tours, like you mentioned, racking

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Speaker 1: up accolade after accolade. I mean, if you were to

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Speaker 1: literally create or imagine what a modern day war hero

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Speaker 1: would be, it'd be Eddie. Now, he's just like any

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Speaker 1: other special operator. He's humble. He would say that I'm

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Speaker 1: just like the rest of the guys. But even among

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01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: his peers, he stands out. So my brother was in

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01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: charge of his platoon Trump in the President tasim almost

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: the impossible to clear out isis from Mosul. They're deeply

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: embedded there is in tense weeks of heavy firefighting, of

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Speaker 1: combat of the gruelest CALIBERNY and my brothers called me

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Speaker 1: on every single one of his eight combat deployments, every

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Speaker 1: single one, and hardly as he described an enemy as

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Speaker 1: cruel and as violent and as just disgusting as isis.

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Speaker 1: And so in this incident in the question, and I

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Speaker 1: want to state from the beginning that everything that's been

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Speaker 1: said is and if I can use this phrase, it's

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Speaker 1: fake news in a way, it's just complete fabrication it's

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01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: a rumor. And what happened is that these rumors grew

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Speaker 1: and then snowballed where investigators took them and believed them

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Speaker 1: at face value. And so for a year now our

1130
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: family has finally been able to get the truth out

1131
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: at this moment time, we've been silent for a year

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Speaker 1: and so finally we're fighting back. So in this incident

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned, quite literally, the accusation is at a

1134
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: wounded Isis fighter that he and his platoon were working

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01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: on that was already shot in the leg a severed artery.

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01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: They had been in a building that Iraqi special forces

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01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: had shelled. They brought him into the seal compound, they're

1138
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: treating him, and then he expires. And the accusation against

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01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: my brother is that this already dying fighter my brother killed,

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01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: which did not happen, but is insane just at the

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: outset right that a US Navy seal trained to fight

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: the enemy brings in a wounded guy to save him

1143
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: so that they can interrogate him, and they say, oh,

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01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: he killed him, And now my brother is facing quite

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: literally life in prison without the possibility of parole. Justice

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01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: for Eddie dot Com, it's the site that we have

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: set up from my brother. You can donate, But the

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01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: one thing that we're asking most supposed to do is

1149
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: we're really thankful at this time in history that we

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: have a president that we're hoping can come to our

1151
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: assistance that would look at the grievous nature of his

1152
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: treatment of the abuse of power by NCIS and prosecutors

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Speaker 1: and come to our age justice for Eddie dot Com.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is a long story that we really

1155
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: want to get into some details here about a Navy seal.

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: Those were the words of Sean Gallagher that we're talking

1157
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: about a story involving his brother, as he wrote in

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01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: an article that earlier this year, due to a mixture

1159
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: of ego, careerism incompetence, what started out as the grumblings

1160
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: of a few disgruntled junior seals has now turned into

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01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: insane allegations of war crimes. Our family is now fighting back,

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: fighting the battle of our lives, pushing back against an

1163
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: onslaught of falsehoods and a pack of government lawyers. Hell

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01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: been on taking down a Navy seal. And what does

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01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: this story have to deal with, Well, let's go straight

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Speaker 1: to the source. Sean Gallagher joins us as well as

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Speaker 1: former Navy seal himself a friend, Jonathan Gillham, and to

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Speaker 1: talk about the treatment of Sean's brother Eddie. And I

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01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: think it needs serious media attention as there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues here that come into play that I

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Speaker 1: find very disturbing. Thank you both for being whether Shawn.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I understand that your brother, Eddie's best

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: friend was Aaron Vaughan who was killed, and I know

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Speaker 1: his parents, Karen and Billy. Is that true, yes, sir, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Aaron and my brother we're best friends pretty much,

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: and the seal teams. I told Karen this, and she's

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Speaker 1: been very kind to her family. She's a wonderful person.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I visit Aaron's grave every chance I get,

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: particularly before my brother deploys, to ask him to protect

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Speaker 1: my brothers. So they were they were really, really close friends.

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Speaker 1: My brother was a bracelet with his name on us.

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: So the Von family are their true patriots and true

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01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: hero stuffs. So let's start on his last deployment in

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Speaker 1: mosl How many deployments had he had, Eddie. So this

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01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: this last deployment last year in twenty seventeen, was his

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01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: eighth combat deployment. You know, my brother has gone to

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Speaker 1: war for US since two thousand and three, since the

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Speaker 1: initial invasion. This is actually his second time back to Missol.

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Speaker 1: He has fought every enemy that we've had. He's fought

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Speaker 1: Al Qaeda, he's fought the Taliban, and then last year

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Speaker 1: President Trump tasked him to annihilate Isis from the city

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Speaker 1: of Missol. All right, So he went back on the

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Speaker 1: orders of the President's Secretary Maddis, and he was he

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Speaker 1: and his platoon were Their task was to clear Isis

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Speaker 1: from that Iraqi city. Correct, let's let's take him from there.

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Speaker 1: What he did and what happened. Sure, so's he's out there.

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Speaker 1: They're as intense as you can imagine, intense weeks and

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Speaker 1: months of combat, as you played in the clip that

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Speaker 1: I had not on Fox and Friends. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, my brothers called me every single time he's

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Speaker 1: ever deployed, and we have some long conversations from short

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Speaker 1: ones and I could just tell this one took a

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: toll in terms of he was just so gassed at

1204
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: the groves, the gruesome nature of the enemy that he's fighting.

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they are the worst forms of enemy that

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: we've had. They're just inhuman in a way, and so

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01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: he was challenged to they're deeply embedded in this city.

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01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: They're using human as a shields, and so that this

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01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: asymmetrical warfare that they're in is very tough. They'll have

1210
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: to advance in this urban setting where these guys are

1211
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: entronched all over the place. And so he's taking him

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Speaker 1: in this platoon and he's in charge of it. Ed

1213
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: he's a chief at this point. So he's leading his

1214
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: platoon to take the fights in the enemy. And in

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Speaker 1: this one instant, there was a group of around they

1216
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: said twenty to thirty or maybe forty Isis fighters in

1217
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: the compound. US and Iraqi forces had shown. So platoon

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01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: and his platoon a little over twenty they shelled this

1219
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: compound all of the ices fighters five but one, and

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Speaker 1: the one that survived was very badly wounded. There's actually

1221
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Speaker 1: video that you can watch. It was put on YouTube

1222
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: by Iraqi journalist of this Isis fighter who's around seventeen

1223
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Speaker 1: years old. He can barely speak. He has severed artery

1224
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: in his leg. The Iraqis that kaffered him had said

1225
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 1: that he had some bullet wounds in him. And so

1226
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Speaker 1: what they did is they brought him to the seal

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Speaker 1: compound that my brother and his platoon rat for the

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Speaker 1: main purpose of saving him, to applying medical treatment so

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Speaker 1: that they could save him and then interrogate him. And

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01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 1: so my brother is in addition to being a sniper

1231
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: and a Navy seal, he's a corman, he's a medic,

1232
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: and so he and a couple other guys were actually

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01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: working to keep this fighter alive so that they can

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: interrogate him in a later date. So the involved in

1235
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: this huge fight, his life is on the line. It's

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: his eighth deployment, and a little bit of a mutiny

1237
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: begins within some of the younger seal members that were

1238
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: part of this platoon. What happened with that and where

1239
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: did it go from there? Sure, so, again, Eddie's been

1240
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: on eight deployments. As a seasoned veteran in combat is

1241
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: you basically can get in the teams and when you're

1242
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: in that position, you push your men hard. You know,

1243
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: if you talk to a lot of these guys that

1244
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: lead platoons, their job really is to motivate and to

1245
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: direct their men into the best strategy and the best

1246
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 1: kind of they call like a war pace, a tempo

1247
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: as possible, and Eddie is a very hard charger. And

1248
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: the strategy there, in a lot of senses is because

1249
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: the enemy is so embedded, the difficulties to find out

1250
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: where they are, to get them to fire so that

1251
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: you find out their location. You know, Eddie's doing this

1252
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: in various ways. He's moving the platoon around so that

1253
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: they can see at the enemy fires and then you

1254
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: know what they are so they can engage them. There

1255
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: were a couple of guys in his platoon the had

1256
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: not seen combat at all, and we're been unprepared for this,

1257
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: and there's a small little mutiny begins, a kind of

1258
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: this whispered campaign about oh, you know, my brother's putting

1259
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: them in too much danger, he's being reckless, when in

1260
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, the strategy that he is

1261
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: using is something that they teach in seal tactics, is

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: something that my brother actually would have been right now

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: teaching incoming platoons on how to do. Because at this

1264
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: point he's a very experienced operator. And so basically these

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01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: guys not being experienced, being unaware of how this whole

1266
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: thing happens and operating, start to think, oh, we're being

1267
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: put in danger and they're fearful, and they start this

1268
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: whisper campaign that they have a bad leader. My brother

1269
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: then hears about it, and there's an instance where he

1270
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: just he did what he thought was right. He called

1271
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: them out on it. He said that they weren't prepared

1272
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: and that they shouldn't be in the teams, that this

1273
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: is the kind of action that they're going to do.

1274
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean that Davy Seals in their essence are warriors.

1275
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: There are warrior elites. This is what we train them

1276
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: to do, what we asked them to do, and something

1277
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: that my brother quite frankly feels that it is in

1278
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: his power his duty to do is take the fight

1279
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: to the enemy, to clear out the grousome people like

1280
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: isis and so all right, but he publicly but just

1281
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: to I want to make sure you get the whole.

1282
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: So he publicly reprimanded those people because he views the

1283
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: Seals as you know, that they are our last line

1284
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: of defense. If they can do it, nobody can precisely,

1285
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: they believe did that become a all right, let's go

1286
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: from there. So what happens so you have a little

1287
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: bit of a rebellion. They feel like they're being pushed

1288
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: too hard, there's a public reprimand then what happens, So

1289
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: there's a public reprimand and then my brother later on

1290
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: welcomes them back into platoon and says, okay, look after this,

1291
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: you guys should have learned your lesson by now. This

1292
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: is how the rest of the platoon is going to go,

1293
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: and this is how the rest of our deployment it's

1294
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: going to go. And they finished off the deployment at

1295
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: the end of twenty seventeen, they all come home. And

1296
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: then months later, months later, my brother is notified that

1297
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: he's being investigated or actions taken a summer before, where

1298
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't reported at the time, It wasn't reported when

1299
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: we got back. It was these ruminations in a vindictive

1300
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: nature of sort of these guys who never got over

1301
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: being reprimanded, who never got over being told that they

1302
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: were wrong, who then never got over being scolded for

1303
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: not being able to take the fight to the enemy,

1304
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: concocted these stories and found an audience, found a willing

1305
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: an audience, and NCI asked these investigators who thought nothing

1306
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: was better than to be able to take fabrications and

1307
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: run with it. And and then and earlier this year,

1308
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: our family is notified that Eddie's being investigated. And you

1309
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: know something that I said before, we were a bit

1310
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: naive when this first all began, because we thought at

1311
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: first the accusations quite literally were laughable, that there were

1312
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: such discrepancies in the descriptions of what was being alleged

1313
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: against my brother. There was an incident in question, and

1314
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: I can get in the details of this if you like,

1315
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: that there were so many witnesses presents that it would

1316
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: be impossible for someone to say that Eddie did the

1317
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: thing that he was alleged to have done. And so

1318
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: we were like the part about these eventeen year old

1319
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: kid that was barely alive. Yes, and so it's one

1320
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: of those things where my brother said, you know, so

1321
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 1: the accusation again is that there's already dying Isis fighter

1322
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: that my brother is working to save. They put a

1323
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: crik in his neck. They're trying to save this guy

1324
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: so that they can interrogate him later. He dies from

1325
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: the wounds that he just sustained, you know, moments earlier,

1326
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: for being in a compound that was shelved. Again, you

1327
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: can see video of this. This Isis fighter is already

1328
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: half dead, and so him and a couple are another

1329
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,480
Speaker 1: medic or working on him. He expires, and the allegation

1330
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: is that my brother helped him expire sooner than he did,

1331
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: and he's quite literally now facing life in jail because

1332
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: of that. The insanity of the insanity of that premise

1333
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: struck our family so hard. We thought that there's no way,

1334
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: there's no way that the special workfare communities, there's no

1335
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: way that the military justice system, there's no way that

1336
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: his command would take anything like this seriously. But are

1337
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: there are there people within his platoon making that allegation?

1338
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: So these are Yeah, there are a small room of

1339
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: these guys who were publicly reprimanded and because of that

1340
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: reprimand and because of that scolding that they got, concocted

1341
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: the story that Eddie helped this already dying as his

1342
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: fighter die. All right, are there people? Are there? Are

1343
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: there witnesses that contradict that on your brother's side. Absolutely,

1344
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: they actually are multiple, multiple witnesses, men who served with

1345
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: my brother, And we're in this room that he has

1346
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses that are saying just the opposite happened, and he

1347
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: tried to save this guy's life. And then you have

1348
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: a couple of people that had previously been disgruntled, that

1349
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: got reprimanded and in trouble themselves. They are. It's sort

1350
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: of like it's almost identical too. Well, if maybe they're

1351
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: getting an easier sentence if they testify against your brother,

1352
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: sounds like to me that does that happened? Yeah? I

1353
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: mean the reason for this so my brother's coming up

1354
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: on his retirement. He's coming up on twenty years in

1355
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: the service, fourteen years in the seals. These guys figure, hey,

1356
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: if I say this stuff about him could be investigated,

1357
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: he can't ruin my career. In the interim, I'll skate

1358
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: away scott free while Eddie is being looked into, and

1359
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: then he retires, and then we're all done, and therefore

1360
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about this. There's part of

1361
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: our family that thought that these guys never thought it

1362
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: would go this far, making up these rumors would ever

1363
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: carry the serious consequences in the weight, in the full

1364
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: fledge of investigation and all of this stuff. But instead,

1365
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: you quite opposite happened. Where it is now snowball to

1366
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: this preposterous degree, where my brothers right now without even

1367
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: the ability to send themselves as in jail. All right,

1368
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: let me bring in Jonathan Gillham here. All right, I'll

1369
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: tell why don't we take a break here. We'll come

1370
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: back more with Sean Gallagher. A lot to digest from

1371
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: what's happening in this case, and we'll get Jonathan Gillham's

1372
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: take on it as well. Eight hundred and nine for

1373
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: one Seawan. We will get to some calls on our

1374
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: final half hour today and we want to get to

1375
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: the bottom of this. And if somebody is being unjustly

1376
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: a Navy seal has been on eighth deployments, is being

1377
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: treated unfairly, we can't have that and we've had it

1378
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: happened in the past. That's why it makes me nervous.

1379
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: Quick break right back, eight hundred nine four one Sewn

1380
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: toul Free telephone number. All right, twenty five down till

1381
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: the top of the hour, eight hundred nine for one

1382
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,759
Speaker 1: Shawn tull Free telephone number. We are talking about the case.

1383
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: It's a military case, Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher one and

1384
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: I think needs a lot of attention and it has

1385
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: to do with him being sent now on his eighth

1386
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:32,520
Speaker 1: tour of duty to Mosul and the mandate by Secretary

1387
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: of Defense Maddis and the President was clear that he

1388
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: and his platoon were to clear ISIS from that Iraqi city, which,

1389
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: by the way, we now know they have succeeded in

1390
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 1: in the course of what is a very difficult deployment,

1391
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: again his eighth At some point, newer seals have some

1392
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: problems with Edie's leadership in the platoon and are publicly

1393
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: reprimanded by him. They have an incident where they're in

1394
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: a firefight with ISIS fighters and they're winning that fight,

1395
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: and all of the ISIS fighters died but one who

1396
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: was severely wounded and half dead. And we have apparently

1397
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: two Navy Seals newer members that were upset with Eddie

1398
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: because of the reprimand and then a bunch of other

1399
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: Navy Seals saying just the opposite that he actually was

1400
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: doing everything possible to save the life of this ISIS fighter. Well,

1401
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he turned out he

1402
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: was under investigation after returning home, and after all of that,

1403
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: you see reports, etc. A small group made some of

1404
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: the most outrageous claims, and that's where we are today.

1405
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: And Jonathan Gillam, maybe you can fill in some of

1406
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: the gaps here. Wellean, there's just a tremendous amount of gaps.

1407
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, first and foremost, let's just take you know,

1408
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: having been an FBI agent, right and having dealt with

1409
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: preliminary investigations and then full investigations, and how we get

1410
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: to that point. Nancis may have their different lingo, but

1411
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: here's the case. When you have basically testimony, that's what

1412
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: this whole thing hinges on is testimony. And you have

1413
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: this testimony from a couple of people saying that somebody

1414
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: did something, and then from a whole bunch of other people,

1415
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: including Iraqis, saying that this never occurred. One of the

1416
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: individuals is Iraqi General. You have to weigh this testimony

1417
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: in order to take to complaint before a judge or

1418
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: in this case, the JAG, in order to get a

1419
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: warrant to go arrest somebody. When we look at the

1420
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: entire case, at the way that this came from the

1421
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: war zone and the way that it's been pushed through,

1422
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: what we see is something that's being repeated over and

1423
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: over again and the DoD and in the Saville world,

1424
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: and that is guilty until proven innocent. And in this case,

1425
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: what we're looking at here is an individual Eddie Gallagher,

1426
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: who is a medic. Also that I don't know if

1427
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: most people realize that he's a medic, and they had been,

1428
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: and what I was told was fifty isis fighters. They're

1429
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: in a firefight. They kill all but one, and that

1430
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: guy has severely wounded after he has drugged through the

1431
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: street and other things. Iraqis bring him to the compound

1432
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: and Eddie and another seal Corman work to save his life.

1433
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: They put a track which is a tracheotomy where they

1434
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: cut open the throat so that he can breathe, and

1435
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: they treat a sucking chess wound and some other things.

1436
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: At that point, the guy's unresponsive. Now, why would an

1437
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: individual that just saved somebody's life so they could potentially

1438
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: interview him turn around and then kill him. It makes

1439
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 1: no sense whatsoever. But Sean, regardless of what actually did happen,

1440
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: my question is what are we doing in war now?

1441
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: What are we doing with the men that are on

1442
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: the front line, the men that we send out there

1443
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: to be the dirty guys to do the job that

1444
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: nobody else is even capable of doing, which has taken

1445
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: nineteen guys and standing up against fifty guys, sometimes even

1446
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: upwards of two hundred and fifty or more fighters and

1447
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: eliminating them. And now we're putting rules on the warfare

1448
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: aspect and the ethics of war, saying we're gonna train

1449
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: you to be killers, but you can't be too much

1450
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: of a killer. And then we have prosecutors like Commander

1451
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: Christopher Zaplick, that's the guy who's running this whole prosecution

1452
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: against Eddie, that goes and says something in public which

1453
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: he knows is going to be it's going to be

1454
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: in the papers. And he says that the Silk patun

1455
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 1: Alpha signed up to protect America. This is what he's saying.

1456
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: And he said that Eddie handed isis a propaganda manna

1457
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: from heaven. Now, this is this guy, although he's never

1458
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: been in combat, he is a Navy officer, he's a commander,

1459
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: and he's a JAG officer, and he's making statements like

1460
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: that that themselves embolden Isis and our enemies to use

1461
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: this type of stuff for propaganda. They arrest Eddie on

1462
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. What kind of symbology does that send

1463
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: a day when the same ideology took down two buildings

1464
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: and killed, you know, thousands of Americans. What I cannot

1465
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: wrap my head around what is happening in the DoD

1466
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 1: and in the civilian world, where we are going after

1467
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: and convicting people because we want to make a career

1468
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: or because maybe our ideology doesn't reflect with the certain individuals,

1469
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: and they're hammering the very people that we send out

1470
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: to defend this country from those killers, and we're saying

1471
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: it's premeditated murder right after they got in a fight

1472
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: with fifty ices fight. It sounds so similar to the

1473
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: Clinton Lorance case that I know you followed as we

1474
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Speaker 1: right you know, talked about so much. You know, when

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Speaker 1: he takes over a platoon and all of a sudden,

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01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, you have these suicide bombers that literally just

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Speaker 1: before he had taken over the platoon and they were

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01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: hit with suicide bombers on motorcycles. These guys disobey the

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Speaker 1: command to stop, and they're coming right at the platoon

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01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: of Clint Laurentz and he has to make a split

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01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: second decision is that a bomber or not? And then

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01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: there was actually a new evidence that he's having a

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01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: hard time getting introduced that actually had the fingerprints of

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01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: these very people on IEDs and still they put him

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01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: in jail for what thirty years? But Sean, I don't

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01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: think that these prosecutors, from the evidence that I've seen,

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01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: are really concerned with evidence. They're concerned with creating an

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: image of what their opinion is of the case. And

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01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: that's not the way our judicial system works. You are

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: either proven guilty or or you are not proven guilty.

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01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: And in the cases of what they do here is

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01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: that they are taking what little evidence they have and

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: they're manipulating it like rumors of pictures and these things

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: to give a false impression of major guilt. And when

1495
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: we're looking at danger, Sean, let's just cut to the

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: chase on this. Warfare is a dirty business. Warfare involves killing,

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01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: and the American public is so risk averse now, and

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01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: when they see and hear about these things, they're so

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01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: mortified because they don't realize the reality of war. These

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01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: are enemies that want to kill us. They don't just

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: want to kill us, they want to eliminate us. And

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01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: yet we are going out and sending people out there

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01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: and keeping a leash on them as though they were

1504
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: a dog, and not allowing our fighters to do their job,

1505
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: and then politicizing it and from Trump down. The way

1506
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 1: President Trump has been reilroaded is very similar to this

1507
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: guilty until proven incent the media goes after and destroys credibility.

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01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: It's the same thing here these I can guarantee you Sean,

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01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: if stuff gets leaked to the press about pictures and

1510
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: things like this, it's going to be because the NCIS

1511
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: and because this Commander Zappleck one of these things leaked

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01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: so that they can ruin the credibility of Eddie. So

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,440
Speaker 1: how many I would do we have that are defending

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01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: Eddie from these charges versus apparently some people that did

1515
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: have an extra grind with him, according to Sean who's

1516
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: still with us, Shan Gallagher, his brother Jonathan, I mean,

1517
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: how many how many witnesses on both sides of this

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01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: are we talking about? Strategy here is not not to

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01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,959
Speaker 1: reveal too much because I think that in some senses

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01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: we're holding on to how many that we have given

1521
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: the fact that we're going to go to trial, given

1522
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: that this whole charade is actually going to take place.

1523
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: We're keeping that to the chest because we know that

1524
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: that's one of the benefits that we have that we

1525
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: have statements from multiple, multiple people that will say that

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01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: I was there with Eddie, that this never happened. We

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01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: know these guys that are making these things up, and

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01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: we know why they're doing it. But I can say

1529
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: verifiably that we have quite a few that are coming

1530
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: to Edge Defense, including one that's already came out. So

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01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: Jonathan mentioned this earlier. There's an Iraqi general, these these

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01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: Iraqi special forces brought this dying Isis fighter to the

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: seal compound. These guys testified that there are many people

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01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: around that Eddie never did this, that there's no need

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01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: for it. And the most I think exonerating thing that

1536
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: NCIS purposefully left out of my brother's hearing the court

1537
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: was that these Iraqis are the same people that disposed

1538
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: of the body after the Seals had left, and they

1539
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 1: said that none of them was alleged ever saw so

1540
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: supposedly the accusations that my brother had stabbed this fighter

1541
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: in the chest to help him die. These Iraqis who

1542
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: brought the body to the compound and then removed it, said, oh,

1543
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: we disposed of the body and we never saw any

1544
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 1: of the stab wounds. None of this ever happened. And

1545
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: so to Jonathan's earlier point and something that I cannot

1546
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: stress enough as that our family, since the beginning of

1547
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: this has quite astutely come to the realization that this

1548
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: is not about justice, This is not about the truth.

1549
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: It's about a win that someone is following and pursuing

1550
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: a line in a strategy of victory by taking down

1551
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,799
Speaker 1: a Navy seal because it boosts a career or boosts

1552
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 1: an ego, or it fits the confirmation bias that they

1553
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: already have, instead of looking at evidence, basing your decisions

1554
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: on facts, and you know, a process by which, oh,

1555
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 1: if there are contradictory statements, we have to take those

1556
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: into account, and all of that stuff, this entire process.

1557
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, from day one, we were like, this shouldn't

1558
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: even have taken place, given all of the exonerating and

1559
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: all of the exculpatory things that have happened in you know,

1560
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: since the beginning until now, and we're just perplexed, Sean

1561
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: at this point at the abuse of power, that just

1562
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: the overzealous nature of this case. And to reiterate what

1563
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 1: Jonathan said, my brother, a guy who has fought every

1564
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: single enemy that we've had, al Qaeda, the Taliban, and

1565
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 1: then just Isis had to sit handcuffed in a courtroom

1566
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 1: while a guy who has never fought in combat probably

1567
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: hasn't fired a rifle since Basic said that my brother

1568
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: is the reason that isis killed. This is a guy

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01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: who just got back from a deployment, his eighth at war,

1570
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: and fought this rucis enemy and one. And here's a

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01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: prosecution a career lawyer looking at my brother wearing the

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01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: same uniform and looking at him saying, I empathize with

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01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: the enemy. I empathize with isis. I don't think that

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01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: there's been a more disgraceful I don't think that there's

1575
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: been a more enraging I don't think that there's been

1576
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: a more just insulting moment that our family, and again

1577
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: my family has served in the military, and my father

1578
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: is twenty two years in the Army. I had two

1579
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: uncles that are enabled aviators and three grandparents that served

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01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: in the Navy. We just cannot believe at this moment

1581
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: in history that this kind of utterance is allowed to happen,

1582
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: and this kind of injustice is allowed to perpetuate in

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01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: the society that we live in. And so yeah, we're

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01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: fighting back and seeking as much help as we can Sean.

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01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: Let me just say this real quick. This is where

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01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: the Brotherhood should stepped forward. We have this term that

1587
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: we use along time all the time. Long live the

1588
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: Brotherhood and the Seal teams. This is where the Brotherhood

1589
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: should stand up. This is where all the people that

1590
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: say they support the Seals and the job that they do,

1591
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: this is where they should step forward and start putting

1592
01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: pressure on the JAG Corps and NCIS and the justice.

1593
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: It's being done even before a conviction occurs. Eddie has

1594
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: been in jail, even before pre trial has occurred. And

1595
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: there's there are murderers that are walking around that are

1596
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,480
Speaker 1: in the military that are being released on their own recognisance.

1597
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: These are people who murdered other military people and yet

1598
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: Eddie's being held in jail like he is a crazy

1599
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: serial killer. It is this is where the pressure of

1600
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: the Brotherhood needs to come down and they need to

1601
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: come together. Well is going to so what is the latest?

1602
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: Tell us the latest with your brother? So my brother

1603
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: right now, he's running up on three months, as Jonathan

1604
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: alluded to, three months and what they call pre trial confinement,

1605
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: which means that he hasn't even had the opportunity to

1606
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: defend himself, and yet he's been put in jail. So

1607
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: he's been in jail for three months with no access

1608
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: to medical care. He has two slip discs in his back,

1609
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: and again it just comes back to this thing where

1610
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: he is being treated guilty until prove the innocent, and

1611
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: it's they're making it as unbelievably difficult as possible for

1612
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: us to prove him innocent because of all these impediments.

1613
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: And so yeah, for the past three months he's been

1614
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: in jail. His three children, my nephew and niece had

1615
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: to visit him in the brig just a few weeks

1616
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 1: ago for Thanksgiving. They got visit patient hours on the

1617
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: family holiday. He'll likely have to spend time in prison

1618
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: all the way until trial, which is not even until

1619
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: next summer. Probably the insanity of this process, and you

1620
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 1: can imagine, put yourself in our shoes, that you have

1621
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: this humble warrior as your brother, someone that you know

1622
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: is served in the military for twenty years and makes

1623
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,520
Speaker 1: your family immensely proud, and he has been steadily rewarded.

1624
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: He has medals for valor, for good conduct, Medal Sailor

1625
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: the Year, Sailors, the Quarter or all of these accolades,

1626
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: somebody makes up a false rumor about him, they throw

1627
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: him in jail, They make it super hard for him

1628
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: to defend himself, and he's going to be in jail

1629
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: now for a year, Sean, until he has the ability

1630
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: to go to trial. This is how this system is

1631
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 1: set up, and it's so disgusting that sometimes you can't

1632
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: even believe that it's real. And the command is nowhere

1633
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: to be found. The command is not even was not

1634
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: even getting him to medical, which is unfathomable. He was

1635
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: sitting in there and before he was being treated for

1636
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: a TBI. Then he gets incarcerated and the command is

1637
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:28,919
Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. I cannot understand how this is occurring.

1638
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: It's all careerism in our family's perspective. Sean, Well, we're

1639
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna stay on the story. Thank you both for being

1640
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: with us. We will get to the bottom of the

1641
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Sean Gallagher, Thank you. Former Navy Seal Jonathan Gillham. Thank you.

1642
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and nine for one, Shawn is a number,

1643
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna wrap things up. Remember, come McCabe,

1644
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: even Peter Struck, nobody thought General Flynn Lynne. How did

1645
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: they ever make this plea agreement in the first place.

1646
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: We'll have the latest details on that. An incredible story

1647
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: we told you about Christmas yesterday, just on the caravan,

1648
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: that's coming up tonight on Hannity on the Fox News Channel.

1649
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: We've got a lot to get to in the course

1650
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: of the program. You know, four thousand migrants have died

1651
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 1: in just recent years, making that track news and information

1652
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: you won't get elsewhere. We'll be back here tomorrow