WEBVTT - Send in the Exploding Termites

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever become so angry or threatened that you've exploded,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally exploded? No? No, no, but you've seen it before,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in cartoons. I've seen it a lot in cartoons,

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<v Speaker 1>And because my daughter plays Angry Birds and especially the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars versions of it, I'm very aware of one

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<v Speaker 1>character called Bomb and when enraged, the feather on top

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<v Speaker 1>of its head we'll start to smoke and then it'll

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<v Speaker 1>just detonate. Yeah, this is glorious explosion. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't really thought about about video games as much going

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<v Speaker 1>into this, but us, there are a lot of exploding

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<v Speaker 1>characters in games. Um, little bomb men, I seem to recall,

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<v Speaker 1>and oh, of course, bomber Man. It's all about characters

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<v Speaker 1>getting blown up. But but yeah, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>exploding characters going on in your in your cartoons and

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<v Speaker 1>your video games. Um. One example that always comes to

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<v Speaker 1>my mind in John Carpenter's film Big Troubling Little China.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a part when the city of this warrior sorcerer

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<v Speaker 1>named Thunder of the Three Storms, and he discovers that

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<v Speaker 1>his his evil master lo Pan has been slain uh

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<v Speaker 1>there in the caverns and chambers of his underground uh stronghold,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he gets so mad that he just puffs

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<v Speaker 1>up and just explodes with anger uh in an attempt

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<v Speaker 1>I guess to to take out invaders. But it's a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a gory, kind of goofy moment, but uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually a real thing. It is a real thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that was a fictional account, and yet in nature

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<v Speaker 1>we have some very real instances of this happening, which

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leads the whole idea that the truth is

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<v Speaker 1>truly into in fiction. And we've tried in this territory before.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking about c cucumbers, right, because we said

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<v Speaker 1>that if you ever get in an undersea bar fight

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<v Speaker 1>with a c cucumber, beware because you will probably have

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<v Speaker 1>its guts pummeling your face because they're ejected from the

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<v Speaker 1>c cucumbers an us. And if you were to get

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<v Speaker 1>in a fight with say Harry Frog the t robust us,

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<v Speaker 1>well then watch out because they can actually make shifts

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<v Speaker 1>from their own bones, which they puncture their way out.

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<v Speaker 1>The shivs the bones out of the frog's toepads to

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<v Speaker 1>create these claws. Yeah, I mean, you see it this

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<v Speaker 1>time and time again. Whatever the weird grotesque body horror

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<v Speaker 1>type thing is that we can dream up in our

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<v Speaker 1>fictional world and our pop culture, nature has already evolved

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<v Speaker 1>it to a to a terrifying degree. And uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>indeed that's what we see with autopsis, the biological act

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<v Speaker 1>by which an animal, specifically an insect, ruptures their own

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<v Speaker 1>internal glands and organs with enough force to cause their

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<v Speaker 1>insights to literally burst out through their exoskeletons. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>purely muscular exercise caused by deliberate contractions around in gorged tissue,

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<v Speaker 1>and it creates absolute mayhem. Now, it's worth noting the

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<v Speaker 1>insects that practice autithosis do so out of something called

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<v Speaker 1>youth social organizations. So this kind of organization is predicated

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<v Speaker 1>on three things. Brood cooperation, overlapping generations within a colony

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<v Speaker 1>of adults, and a division of labor into reproductive and

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<v Speaker 1>non reproctive reproductive groups. And so these set the conditions

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<v Speaker 1>for this kind of self sacrifice. And the examples that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about today. All right now, before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the exploding eurosocial insects, m I'm just gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>quickly here about chemical weapons in in animals, chemical weapons

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<v Speaker 1>specifically insects in general. Now, number of animals out there

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<v Speaker 1>use chemical weapons against their adversaries. H And as we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed before, a lot of human chemical weapons, also human

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<v Speaker 1>spices and other agents are simply nature's chemical weapons that

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<v Speaker 1>we've hijacked for our own ends. Some animals synthesized toxins,

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<v Speaker 1>while others extract and modified toxins from their environment or

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<v Speaker 1>their diet. So just looking at insects and arachnets, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously have we have scorpions, we have spiders, we have

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<v Speaker 1>lost but we then we also have some stranger examples here,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like foam grasshoppers that excrete foul bubbles from

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<v Speaker 1>their armpits. And uh and of course we always have

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<v Speaker 1>to mention the bombardier beetle. And this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that heats, that sprays a heated exploding acid from its

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<v Speaker 1>anus where it has to two chemicals that is stored

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<v Speaker 1>in separate chambers. Then it fires them into a reaction chamber. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this is where you have enzymes breaking down

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<v Speaker 1>H two O two, releasing free oxygen um to oxygenate

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<v Speaker 1>the chemicals, and it just creates this explosive, hot excretion

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<v Speaker 1>that this beautiful chemical weapon to spray right in the

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<v Speaker 1>face of an attacker. When we come to it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the social insects, zero social insects. This is where

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<v Speaker 1>we see, uh, the evolution of far more sublime, far

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<v Speaker 1>more terrifying weaponry. Yeah, because foaming armpits, that's that is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty great. That's but that's more like a fireworks display,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas the examples of audi posas are more like the

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<v Speaker 1>fireworks are the exploding of the ones self, right, offering

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<v Speaker 1>of oneself as the fireworks displays. So let's meet Borneo's

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<v Speaker 1>Campa notice cylindricus. This is one of several ant species

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<v Speaker 1>known as the comic caze ants, and Jonathan Neil, An,

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<v Speaker 1>Associate professor of entomology at Purdue University and author of

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<v Speaker 1>the textbook Living With Insects, writes on his blog that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>when exposed to European ants in the lab, the exploding

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<v Speaker 1>Cappa notice ants would grasp the invader by the leg

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<v Speaker 1>or the antenna, press its body to the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the invader and squeeze it's abdomen until the abdomen ruptured,

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<v Speaker 1>spilling glue over the eyes and mouth parts of the invader. Aunt.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just utterly terrifying. Like I think of any

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<v Speaker 1>grotesque moment in a monster movie that I've seen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anything comes close to that, Like nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>And I've some thought to this like that, Like nobody really, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, horror horror filmmakers out there, look look to

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<v Speaker 1>the insect world, because there's some there's some stuff here

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<v Speaker 1>that just has not even been plunged. Yeah, it's reminiscent

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<v Speaker 1>of xenomorphs, at least some scenes with xenomorph right, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's got the gluey kind of aspect to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's discuss what it might be like to have this

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<v Speaker 1>faithful of yellow goo, which which is the actual term,

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<v Speaker 1>scientific term from the campanas, because it is chalk, a

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<v Speaker 1>block with chemical irritants and strong adhesive. So it delivers

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of one too punch of chemistry and really

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<v Speaker 1>stops the invading ants and its tracks, right, because if

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<v Speaker 1>your mouth is stuffed full of this glue, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able and your you know, your your

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<v Speaker 1>arms and your legs or rather just legs, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be able to do much damage. Right, You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to pretty much freeze in your track. Yeah, you've

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<v Speaker 1>just been completely incapacitated by this noxious concoction. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the camping, Honest, they are pretty touchy. They're known to

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<v Speaker 1>self detonate far from the colony or when lightly touched

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<v Speaker 1>with forceps in the lab well, probably completely terrifying some

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<v Speaker 1>giant metal ant coming down at him right in times indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>and researchers positive that the yellow goo initially help the

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<v Speaker 1>ants break down the microbes and microbial byproducts they fed on,

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<v Speaker 1>like from one guy, right, But then it evolved into

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of exploding adaptation. And so if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the mandibular gland in these ants, which are commonly

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<v Speaker 1>used for digestive enzymes in most ant species, you will

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<v Speaker 1>see that it is greatly expanded in campanadas, and the

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<v Speaker 1>glands are so large that they actually extend into the

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<v Speaker 1>abdominal cavity, pretty much filling it. Yeah. I'm reminded a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of our episode on the Electric Eel in which

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<v Speaker 1>you have you have tissue that evolved initially for for

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<v Speaker 1>one purpose, uh, namely having to do with the communication

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<v Speaker 1>and sensing, and then as it becomes weaponized, it just

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<v Speaker 1>fills up most of the fish. Yeah, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>humans don't necessarily have this allthing. You can argue that

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<v Speaker 1>some people's uh microbes, get microbes contribute to such a stench.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other end, when when releasing platos, that it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a fence mechanism. Yeah, and I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>could also make an argument it's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>you have, like somebody who's really into karate or something like,

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<v Speaker 1>so their whole life becomes about like just honing their

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<v Speaker 1>body and their behavior towards this one offensive, defensive purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like what we see on an evolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>scale with some of these examples. All right, let's explore

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<v Speaker 1>termite world. Here. We are talking about some four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>termite species, and they exist on every continent except Antarctica.

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<v Speaker 1>But scientists have identified only about half of the ones

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<v Speaker 1>they think that are out there, and most of those

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<v Speaker 1>species common names, and little is really known about their

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<v Speaker 1>biology or behavior. In fact, several years ago, uh DNA

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<v Speaker 1>testing revealed that rather than belonging to their own order.

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<v Speaker 1>Termites should be classified as a cockroach family. Huh. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting because you, I mean, I think most people

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<v Speaker 1>tend to think of them sort of in the same

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<v Speaker 1>camp as an ant, or at least very similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the ant, you know, with the social set up royalty

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<v Speaker 1>in place division of labor, right, indeed that the uth

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<v Speaker 1>social organization there now. Tracy V. Wilson, you may know

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<v Speaker 1>her from stuff you miss in the history class. She

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<v Speaker 1>actually has a great article called how Termites Work on

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<v Speaker 1>how stuff Works dot com, and she describes them vastly

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<v Speaker 1>quote in a lot of ways, termites are a paradox.

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<v Speaker 1>They're strong enough to eat a house, but their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>are soft, delicate, and prone to drying out. Soldiers whose

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<v Speaker 1>sole job is to defend the colony can't even feed themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Adult termites develop wings so they can leave the colony

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<v Speaker 1>and find a new home, helping the termite population grow.

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<v Speaker 1>But winged termites are terrible flyers, and most don't survive

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<v Speaker 1>the journey. And yet they do right, and they do

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<v Speaker 1>so as working as as a cooperative unit, and they

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that their nests are moist so that their bodies

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<v Speaker 1>don't dry out, they build shelters protection from the environment,

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<v Speaker 1>including predators, and as they slowly and methodically carry back

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<v Speaker 1>bits of waste and dirt to use as building materials,

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<v Speaker 1>they munch on wood for sustenance. Hence a homeowner's terror

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<v Speaker 1>at discovering that they've got termites in their midst. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I I highly recommend anyone interested in termites to to

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<v Speaker 1>read Tracy's article because it's a great house stuff works article,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really, I mean, it dives into the complex

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<v Speaker 1>and really beautiful biology of these creatures that we so

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<v Speaker 1>often just dismissed as a mere past. Just like termites.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want them, don't want to know about them. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're really kind of lovely in their own way. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish they would need our houses. But they're pretty great. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're lovely, and but they're they're quite formidable. But it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that they can actually be pretty spectacular on

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<v Speaker 1>an individual level as well. Yes, indeed, because we do

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<v Speaker 1>see termites a practice Autopsis um Autopsis evolved independently actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course a number of species, and we can

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<v Speaker 1>actually best fathom the evolutionary process by noting the varying

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<v Speaker 1>levels of lethality and toxicity in the various examples. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the journal Nature, some termites simply defecate on their enemies,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so it's just a matter of just just

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<v Speaker 1>poop on anything that's that's a threat to you and

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<v Speaker 1>the family. But others adapted to shower their enemies with

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<v Speaker 1>filth by squeezing, squeezing their abdominal muscles till the excrement

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<v Speaker 1>bursts out through thin portions of the abdominal wall, so

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<v Speaker 1>that the next level in pooping on your enemies, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But the the ultimate in this, the the peak of

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<v Speaker 1>the evolutionary mountain, as we as we thus far can

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<v Speaker 1>grasp it, is the termite neo capit Terminis tarracia, and

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<v Speaker 1>UH Tarracia stands at the forefront of the Autothis arms

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<v Speaker 1>race UH the species here they grow abdominal sacks of

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<v Speaker 1>toxic blue crystals grown throughout their lie and these are

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<v Speaker 1>the chemical weapons that they use to defend the colony.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They were discovered in two thousand and twelve

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<v Speaker 1>and French Guiana, where researchers said, hey, what is that

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of blue sack there? And what is making

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<v Speaker 1>it blue? And by the way, it is copper rich

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<v Speaker 1>proteins that give it that blue hue. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>the researchers found is that the older the termite, the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger this kind of backpack or ruck sack that they

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<v Speaker 1>carried on their backs of this blue crystal. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason for this, by the way, the older the bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get into that, but let's talk about this sack.

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<v Speaker 1>Because these crystals are created by specialized glands located on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the salivary glands, and so during aggressive encounters,

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<v Speaker 1>the termite ruptures its body wall, releasing the contents of

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<v Speaker 1>the blue pouch, which mixes with salivary fluid to form

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical so toxic that it paralyzes or kills most

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<v Speaker 1>of the invading termites that touch it. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>so much more dramatic and effective than just pooping on

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<v Speaker 1>your enemy, right, because this is kind of like taking

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<v Speaker 1>a stick of dynamite to a powder keg and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>take that. Yeah, I mean if they just explode into

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<v Speaker 1>blue toxic good, I love it. Yeah. In an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with Nature, Olav Repel and evolutionary Biologists says the sophistication

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<v Speaker 1>of this is remarkable. We have never seen an external

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<v Speaker 1>pouch like this before. That adds one substance that needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be mixed with another substance. Now, use the analogy

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, just running out there and touching the

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<v Speaker 1>touching the fire to the dynamite and explodes and explosive

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<v Speaker 1>and dangerous tasks. So so who do you who do you?

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you give this task to? Write? Uh? And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the beauty of this. We mentioned that those the

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<v Speaker 1>toxic blue crystal sacks, they grow throughout the creature's life.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the time the termite is elderly, it has

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<v Speaker 1>it has reached maximum blue crystal bloat. And at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, it's it's it's it's run out of other

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<v Speaker 1>uses in the colony. It's mandibles are dull and useless. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna be able to go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>really get in the fight. It's not really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to help out much working around

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<v Speaker 1>the colony. Now it has one purpose, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>to march out there with its bloated, over filled sacks

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<v Speaker 1>of explosive goo materials and to indeed explode, yes that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and defend the colony. Right with this kind of suicidal, rupturing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's the perfect you know, well often come

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<v Speaker 1>back to to just the the inhuman beauty of the

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<v Speaker 1>insect world, you know, just completely devoid of of of

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<v Speaker 1>most of our our human qualities. There's a line in

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<v Speaker 1>uh from Jeff Goldbloom's character in The Fly where he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about that the absence of insect politics. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>find politics in the insect world. You just find this

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<v Speaker 1>this brutal and and just beautiful economy, UH at play

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<v Speaker 1>here where in this case, we have these old termines,

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<v Speaker 1>we have no other use but to go out there

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<v Speaker 1>and explode. And they do it that they do it

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly to make sure the survival of the genetic uh

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<v Speaker 1>packets are in place right for future generations. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about the greater good of the colony, not the individual. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna we're gonna just talk about exploding toads

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. This is a this is a slight

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<v Speaker 1>deviation from the topic, but it's a tantalizing mystery that

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<v Speaker 1>involves exploding animals. So I think it's it's totally open,

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<v Speaker 1>open game. So back in two thousand five, what you

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<v Speaker 1>had happened is that you had an exploding toad epidemic

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<v Speaker 1>in northern Europe. More than a thousand toad corpses were

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<v Speaker 1>discovered in a in a pond and an upscaled neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>of Hamburg, Good Germany and over the border in Denmark. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So everyone who was curious what's going on is there's

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<v Speaker 1>this is some disease of the toads. It's causing them

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<v Speaker 1>to explode. Uh, is someone exploding our toads? What is happening? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Frank and whose Mun, a Berlin veterinarian who collected and

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<v Speaker 1>tested specimens at the Hamburg pond, said that it appeared

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<v Speaker 1>that clever crows had pecked into the toads with their

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<v Speaker 1>beaks between the amphibian's chest and the abdominal cavity. And

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<v Speaker 1>what happened is that the toad puffed itself up as

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<v Speaker 1>a natural defense mechanism. But because these crows had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>effectively removed the liver. Uh, there was a hole in

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<v Speaker 1>the toad's body and the blood vessels and the lungs

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<v Speaker 1>burst and then other organs oozed out, so that the

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<v Speaker 1>toad puffs up as a defensive measure. But the crow

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<v Speaker 1>just reaches in there gets the part at once, even

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<v Speaker 1>the nice juicy bit like a game of operation. And

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<v Speaker 1>then and then the toads left. They're trying to puff

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<v Speaker 1>up and defend itself and instead just splurting its insides

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<v Speaker 1>out through its hole. You know, I'm seeing a future

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<v Speaker 1>House to Works article, maybe sort of something like the

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<v Speaker 1>Five Unexpected Fates of Toads, because we've also talked about,

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<v Speaker 1>well we're talking about frogs raining from the sky because

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<v Speaker 1>of water spouts out in the ocean, these sort of

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<v Speaker 1>tornadoes in the water. Yeah. Outside of a scientific understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the world and a skeptical approach to two weird happenings,

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<v Speaker 1>you would easily think that the toad is like ground

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<v Speaker 1>zero for the supernatural, like something weird happens. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>rain from the sky, They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>swell up and explode. Which is which is playing with

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<v Speaker 1>our toads as always better than our toes. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's you know, we've got a few minutes here.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's call the robot over then, and indeed do a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of listener mails. Alright, this one comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Larry. Larry says I was listening to your episode

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<v Speaker 1>on the weight of the soul, and I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make a comment. Now, Professor Gary Nam's theory is

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<v Speaker 1>completely logical if you just have an open mind for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. That takes us to the heart of my comment.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that you, guys may be letting your views,

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<v Speaker 1>which seem to be more atheistic and agnostic, get in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of looking at this logically. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>your soul goes onto anything after this is beside the point,

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<v Speaker 1>the point being that that what you call a soul now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get it caught caught up in the name being

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<v Speaker 1>a religious reference, is just the collection of energy that

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<v Speaker 1>makes up life. Now, having that in mind, Professor Nam

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<v Speaker 1>makes all the sense in the world. Thanks guys. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the show and I will always listen. Uh indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, Geary Nam's research I did find really

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating because he kind of again the difficulty of approaching

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the soul and trying to study it

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<v Speaker 1>or theorize about it scientifically. He uh, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>over overcomes that to a certain extent, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the theoretical uh phase. And and I do

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<v Speaker 1>I do buy a lot of what he's putting out there.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of loses me the more he gets into

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<v Speaker 1>into black holes. But but I like the general approach.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, there's a brilliant thought experiment. But again, the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with it is the problem of science and the

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<v Speaker 1>metaphysical which is is very difficult to get actual data.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, therein lies the correct of the problem exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here's another one. This one comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Dave. Dave says, you probably don't have time to

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<v Speaker 1>reply or maybe even read this and its entirety. Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to prove you wrong. Uh No. Nevertheless, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I should send you both a message just to

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<v Speaker 1>let you know how much I love your podcast. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been an avid podcast listener for a few years now

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<v Speaker 1>when I stumbled across yours. Until then, I've been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to s g U and The Reality Check. When I

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<v Speaker 1>started listening to Stuff to Blew Your Mind, I was

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<v Speaker 1>impressed with the format of the show and the sharing

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy the rapport between the both of you

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<v Speaker 1>and look forward to my time so I can listen

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<v Speaker 1>to a few Stuff to Blew Your Mind episodes. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>currently going through your backlog and I'm about halfway through

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<v Speaker 1>a little more the Seven Deadliest. Anyway, I just felt

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<v Speaker 1>compelled to drop you this message and let you know

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<v Speaker 1>that I really enjoy and appreciate the show and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to thank you both and everyone else involved for putting

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Dave. That's that's very nice. And Seven Deadly's one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorites. Yeah, that that was a really fun

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<v Speaker 1>series to do, and uh yeah, I would really like

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<v Speaker 1>to uh maybe re explore that material in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in video form, who knows. Yeah. And also I

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