WEBVTT - Part Two: Robert and Cody Watch Jordan B. Peterson's New TV Show 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:10.880 M oh d my Cody, it's behind the bastards, Cody Johnston. Addition, Cody, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.400 how are you doing? Have you successfully what's the last 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:21.439 dragon that you've confronted to get at its horde of gold? Uh? 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:26.560 Getting to bed and sleeping soundly and waking up RESTful? 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:32.000 Was my gold? Wow? My gold is the gold that 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.040 I stole from the underground layer of the dragon Smaug, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:44.600 who I successfully fought using a variety of bliss. I 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.120 I'm sorry, I thought you metaphor No, no, no literally 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:54.840 literally yeah. Sean Connery, Yes, famously Sean Connery the dragon. Yes, um, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.440 because all dragons, like all evil uncles, are actually the 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.360 same ragon. You never questioned when a dragon comes in 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.920 because Sean Connery playing a dragon in the movie. I 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.080 know the movie you're talking about, but I've actually forgetten 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:13.440 the Dragonheart. Fucking great movie, incredible film I've ever seen 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.600 that I have, Cody, I used to love that movie. Honestly, 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.920 I haven't thought about that movie in years. I think 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.400 I have to rewatch Dragonheart and actually see if it's 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.360 if it holds up, because I have no idea if 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.720 it has like, yeah, I don't know. Um, it's been 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.319 it's been a while. I don't know. I feel like 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.319 a dragon fantasy movie probably doesn't have a lot of 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.679 the things that makes something show up as aged, like 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.679 rampant homophobia. Yeah, that probably isn't a factor in Dragon 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.120 Heart say that, but yeah, I'm gonna watch it and 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.120 be like, wow, I forgot that. There's a thirty five 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.800 minutes Sean Connery rant about immigration in the middle. I'm 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.000 gonna say, Sean Connery doing the voice, so maybe he 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.600 like talks about how it's okay to slap women dragons 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.880 and stuff, you know. I don't know. I don't know. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.559 Is that okay? But if they're dragons, is it wrong? 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.320 If it's well, I'm saying, Cody, the dragon is a 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.760 powerful arc type because we all have dragons that have 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.640 to be conquered, and the only way to conquer a 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.919 dragon is with the sword of truth. And if you're 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:19.440 using the sort of truth, could you not slap a 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.959 dragon with the sword of truth? If, for perhaps you 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.440 were unable to penetrate its scales with the sword because 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.799 you don't have a pin, because the pin is mightier. Yeah, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.080 I don't know. I can't say it's wrong, Cody. I 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.280 could say it's wrong. I won't because it's not. Who's 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.680 to know what wrong and right is? Dr Jordan Peterson, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.920 we are not yet through the first episode of his 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:49.680 god incredible TV ship series Dragons, Monsters and Robert. We sure. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.560 I like your little Your little almost slipped just calling 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.720 it a ship. It is ship. Um, it's it is 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.480 It is complete true. You know what's fun, Cody, is 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.400 that before this happened, I was out in the woods 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.360 where a friend and I spent a significant part of 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:10.760 a saturday uh field dressing a deer with non ideal 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.280 equivalent equipment in like the middle of the deep woods, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.680 far away from other people. Um. And that that whole 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.960 experience was both powerfully primal. UM. I think it's the 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.359 kind of thing that Jordan Peterson would say, that that 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.560 that men are supposed to be doing, and that is 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.400 that is healthy for them. And it was a task 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.520 that my friend and I accomplished but by being agreeable 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.440 with each other. And because my friend is more competent 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.520 at this than me, it's a task that I was 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.920 able to accomplish by listening to them, um, rather than 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.920 attempting to like direct and manage the process. Because I 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.000 didn't know how to do it as well as they did, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.800 um and communicate respectfully to you. Sure did, Cody, And 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.720 as a result, Um it was. It was a wonderful 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.280 experience all around, and a great probably know a little 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.920 more about how to do it now I do I do, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.120 because but so I mean, but did you cry while 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.800 thinking about Dumbo during it? I didn't cry while thinking 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.200 about Dumbo. I did have the revelation that Antifa hates 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:20.560 God because in cell uh No, it's the for the 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.880 curse of being right. Yeah, the cursive being right, the 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:29.159 curse that that quote from Tombstone. Yeah, I thought a 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.400 lot about the curse of being as I was looking 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.120 at the subaru. Impressive. That got totalled by that, dear 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.920 good times. So let's get Let's get back to Dr 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.800 Jordan episode one of the Honestly, this is just like 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.640 your theaters and greatest hits the show. It is him 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.960 ranting in a way where it's like, you know, the 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.560 thing you talked about all the time, just like do 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.880 another version of that, Yeah, go at it. Jordan's b 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.960 Peterson Tales track into as we as We've that's a 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.160 different show. So although all dragons are the same, just 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.679 like all uncles are evil. Sadly, this is a different show, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.960 and the Catholic Church is an uncle, which is why 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.000 you should go to it because it's your not disagree 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.680 with it because you don't believe anything, but also change 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.800 it because it molests you. Let's listen to some other 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.440 wisdom that Dr Peterson has. So when we left off, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.760 he's just announced that writing isn't a tool for finding 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.960 truth or learning to think, it's a tool of domination, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:36.360 because domination is the only task Jordan's seas as worth accomplishing. Well, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.479 I can scrap the rough I don't want, you know, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.640 at the end of my life that was rough I want. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.480 I floated through life on a cloud of pillows and 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.640 nothing ever challenged or threatened me. It's like no one 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:52.040 wants that as their memory. What they want is like dragons, victories, 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:57.839 dragons victories, dragons victories, something like that, or beasts, you know, tamed, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.159 beasts tamed, something like that. And so you know, there's 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:10.000 a deet you all understand the value of like the 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.760 ups and downs of life. And if everything is perfect, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.120 then nothing is perfect, and you need struggles to have successes, 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.680 and you need bad vibes to have good vibes to 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.760 compare to and it's good to like accomplish your goals 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:26.120 and get out there and you know, make some successes 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.920 in life is a struggle. And but he uses this 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.920 kind of stuff that like everybody like generally agrees about, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.880 like that life is to say, like you shouldn't like 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.240 not going to medical debt and like all these like 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.320 things that like we can make things like a little 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:45.479 easier and you can still have challenges and successes and 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.279 victories in life if you can go to the doctor. Yeah, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.400 And it's also just like nothing he's saying is an 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.279 absolute truth. These are all conditional truths of challenges and 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:01.120 struggles like meeting and and exceeding chan leunges and struggles 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.800 can make you a better, stronger person. Um Also, surviving 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.680 difficult things sometimes ruins you as a human being. A 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.680 lot of people are fundamentally broke. For example, one of 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.640 my grandpa's brothers fought at Best Stone and got shot 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.120 through the head and survived and was never the same, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.960 and everyone agrees he was kind of fundamentally broken by 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.160 the experience. Uh, he went and he slayed a dragon, 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.560 and it it like ruined the rest of his life, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.120 which is the thing that happens to a lot of 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.400 people who encounter things that are are difficult and traumatizing, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.000 because it doesn't always make you better. Sometimes it makes 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.960 you less capable of dealing with the world. Well, that's 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.280 you got to choose the right dragons, right, Yes, the 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.760 wrong dragon in that case was the Nazis. He should 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:48.640 have picked an easier dragons, like yeah, yeah, like sitting 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.280 at home and advocating for an end to the New Deal, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:57.840 or like yeah, m a video game, yeah, like a 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:02.760 video game. Um, anyway, whatever, it's perfect. It's all right 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.320 on the screen. Which dragons to go after? Which dragons 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.600 to go after? And let's let's see how he how 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:12.679 he explains this treasures are worth attaining. That's a good question, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.720 you know, because you know, you could you could be 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.320 like don Kyote and and go after windmills. And there's 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.240 something noble about Kote because at least he goes after something. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:31.840 I what wait, wait, can we keep going. Let's let's 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.840 go a little. They're at least dragons in his imagination. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.200 You know, it's dangerous to go play in traffic. But 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.800 and so you might say, well, I've run out in traffic. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:49.240 I'm dodging cars. I'm playing chicken, Aren't I slaying the dragon? 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:57.200 It's like a hardy exposure to danger. It might be 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.440 better than no exposure at all. You know, there is 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.800 something someone admirable Bats, that kind of careless bravado that 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.600 you sometimes see among the Sophie past this because I 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.000 want to emphasize Jordan Peterson has just kind of kind 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.520 of talked himself into running into traffic, like he kind 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.600 of convinces himself it's a good something. Sometimes maybe that's 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:25.400 good to run into traffic. Let's second, Okay, alright, good 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.240 luck Jordan's That's sort of the Bart Simpson approach to life, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.960 you know, better than the Millhouse approach. Neither are optimal. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.720 I feel like one of the points of the Simpsons 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.680 is that neither Bart nor Millhouse are are anything but 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.920 like object failures, as people like every time they get 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:50.440 ahead to their future. Bart is like living a marginal existence, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.200 like an inch away from being out on the street. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.240 He becomes a Supreme Court justice. Right. Oh wait, isn't 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:58.840 that is? That's one of the new one, Cody. We 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.240 don't need to go out se back in the day. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.120 That's like classic Simpsons. Yeah, talking about it, I'm talking 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.240 about the one where Lisa Mary's the British man. Oh, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.360 that's just like, well, even in that episode, he's like, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.480 there's like a reference. He's like, he's like, looks like 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.360 ship and he's like, yeah, I'm a fucking piece of ship. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.440 It's like, don't worry, I'm getting out all my aggression 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.319 before I go to law school. And then he becomes 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.120 a Supreme Court justice. No, that's the one where they 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.480 see the Itchy and Scratchy movie, right and his dad. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.360 That's two. So the Itchen Scratchy one is first, Uh, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.679 we see him as as a Supreme Court justice. Uh, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:36.240 and then the flash forward this is the president. Uh. Jordan, 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.119 he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, is in construction. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.280 He's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to law school eventually. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.920 You're right, Jordan Peterson is correct. It's better to be 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:50.960 a Bart Simpson than a millhouse unless there's a moderate 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.160 amount of flooding, in which case you probably want to 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.120 be a millhouse. Because he's got those he's got those 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.320 those pants that are cuffed up a little bit high. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:05.840 Um keeps his cuffs bone dry. Everything's coming up anyway anyway, UM, 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.440 I just find it so like, all right, it's real quick. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.040 There's a few things here. It's just like he he's 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.600 given a few examples and none of them are good yet, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.319 like what dragons do you fight? Well, don Yote thought dragons. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.400 That didn't want to talk about that, I want to 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.960 talk about don Quixote because he brings up don Quixote 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.120 to say that, like, well he's a tilting it windows windmills, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.120 and the windmills you know, aren't what he thinks they are, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.559 but like there's something noble and just the act of 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.559 of the of the fight itself, and that that's something beautiful. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:40.400 It's really funny to me because Savante's I'm not I'm 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.440 not an expert on don Quixote, but if you look up, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.720 like what the author why he wrote don Quixote, it 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.320 was because he was really pissed at the popular fiction 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.040 that existed at the day, which was mostly these like 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.679 really shitty and derivative stories of like medieval nights and 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.520 you know, doing night shit. Um. He specifically framed don 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.520 Quixote as an attack on quote, vain and empty books 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.640 of chivalry. He was trying to destroy a genre of 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:13.920 fiction that he found tepid and not engaging and not 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.520 particularly like intellectually valuable. And it's exactly the kind of 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.880 fiction that Jordan B. Peterson has based his entire life 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:26.280 view on, right, like that Don Quixote is about, like, God, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.800 all this stuff is lame as hell's like boring. It's yeah, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.800 uh that's of course, yeah, it's it's and like but 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.480 also like he brings it up and then doesn't really 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.800 even make a point. It's just like he's trying to 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.959 he's trying to answer the questions. He's kind of saying, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.480 tilting it windills is good. Yeah, well no, because they 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.959 like the the only examples he's given so far are like, yeah, okay, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.520 this this story where it's not really a dragon or 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.760 running into traffic, Yeah, those are the two. And he 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.160 talks again. I have to cannot emphasize enough. He talks 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.360 himself into leaving that running into traffic might be a 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.040 good idea than not doing it. All right, but no, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.760 actually like not like completely like ignoring that. Like, by 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.920 the way, when you run into traffic, it's not just 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.439 like doing a dangerous thing, it's looking a dangerous thing 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.920 for potentially hundreds of people who are also who are 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.520 like on the road in their cars. It's not just 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:25.840 like this like weird like uh Frogger video game or 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.640 like extreme sports. Right, it's not you're not jumping out 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.720 of an airplane like getting the rush of that extreme experience. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:41.480 You're in traffic. People will die. It's silly, man. Yeah, anyway, whatever, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:47.480 it's amazing how really consistently in this this episode, Cody. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.800 The only parts of Peterson's rants that actually translate into 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.040 useful information is stuff that like you're eleventh grade guidance 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.800 counselor could have told you in between smoking weed out 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.360 behind the building. Stuff like job interviews can be gary, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.520 but you have to do them sometimes on them, like 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.319 it's not even like you have to do this sometimes, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.679 like yeah, get better at public speaking. Yeah, I mean 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.880 the the the challenge that I have in life, I 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:13.360 should try to like get better at it. Like it's yeah, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.840 the most basic life. Yeah, you don't need to couch 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.760 it and it's like dragons and monsters and men to 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.280 be like, oh, you're struggling with that, you should work 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.360 on it. Yeah you can, you can succeed. I'll help, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.160 Like it's well and also I don't know. Maybe if 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.360 you think about it that way, Uh, that's less useful 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.320 because I don't know. I just I I lift weights. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.440 I'm not a power lifter or anything like that. But 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.640 I've made consistent progress and I just recently hit the 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.520 point where I was able to do two full sets 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.400 at a new max and it it was it was 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.200 something I've been working towards for about a year. And 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.000 I didn't think about I want to be able to 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.560 bench press two and twenty pounds as if it was 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.640 a dragon. I thought about it the way that most 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.520 people think about most actual challenges, where this is a 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.920 series incremental improvements that I need to make until eventually 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.280 I can do the thing. And look, now I've done 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.880 the thing. That's nice. Um And when I when I 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.640 repeatedly was unable to do it earlier, I didn't think 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.880 the dragon has bested me. I thought this is part 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:19.600 of incremental improvement. Is failing in this very simple act 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:25.600 to be described. Um yeah, if it if this helps people, great, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.440 but it seems like an unnecessary abstraction, uh to actual 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.600 progress and success. But yeah, it's that's exactly what it is. Is. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.600 It's not like you can think about challenges. This way 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.240 you can think about wanting to do, you know, raise 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.840 your squats or whatever, or run a mile faster as 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.000 a dragon, and maybe that works for you, but it's 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.760 I don't know, I think a silly and unnecessary way 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.640 to think about going after challenges. Yeah, because this is 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.320 like the way, and this is what we talked about 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.600 a lot of stuff, but this in particular, this show 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.120 for some reason, Yeah, this is the kind of thing 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.320 that would be like a children's book. Yeah, he's taking 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.160 Billy in the dragons and the dragon is a metaphor 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.000 for all the challenges in life. And okay, that helps 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.520 children understand what challenges are. But as anyone over the 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.640 age of like eight or ten or twelve pick child's age, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.920 understands what challenges are. I think what Peterson has maybe 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:28.840 recognized here that is actually intelligent is that masculinity in 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.120 our society is so like broken because people think that 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.920 it does rely like that that being masculine involves fighting things. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.800 Was going to because we've built like a world that's 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.680 in many ways slightly better than it used to be. Um, 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.560 there's not a lot of chances for men to go 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.840 fight things because it's actually not very necessary or healthy 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.840 if people are fighting all the time. But all of 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:59.440 our media is themed towards venerating physical courage as the 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:04.680 primary expression of masculinity. And so Jordan Peterson recognized that 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.440 you can make a lot of money if you dress 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:11.040 up stuff like, hey, maybe practice doing job interviews as 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.520 like and you must slay the dragon and defeat your 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:19.160 evil uncle and right, and then like his audience skews 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.600 like young white male kind of thing, and so like, okay, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.520 you like fantasy bullshit and you're fucking video games. I'll 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.200 talk about it like that. Um, and it's like, yeah, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.800 doing the dishes is like a dragon's like no, it's 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.760 the thing you gotta do. It's like those like dude 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:40.119 wipes or like tactical diaper changing bay okay, now cody 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.720 tactical Wait wait, I do love I love all of 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.480 the tactical diaper changing bags because they're they're made to 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.280 look like or tactical like baby carriers. Because anything like that, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.680 anything that's like marketed like it's this everyday thing you do. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:18:00.919 But like it's wares are specifically any because they're like 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.679 they're made to look like plate carriers, which is like 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.159 a plate carriers a thing you wear over your body 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.639 that carries armor inside of it and ammunition and stuff 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.960 on the outside of it, and like the baby goes 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.800 in the place that the body armor that's meant to 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:19.280 absorb bullets. Unbelievable. It's just really funny. It's silly, and 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.680 it's like these things that like, I know, I have 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.520 to do this in order to get people to act 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.840 like this, and that's just what he's doing, I think, honestly. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.240 And I think one of the fundamental things I disagree 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.399 with Jordan is he's like, if you think about things 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.160 in this way, then it will inspire people to achieve more, 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.679 because people are fundamentally motivated by these these grand like 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.120 some like archetypes in our heads and symbols from our stories. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.000 And I actually think that's pretty unhealthy. And I think 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.280 maybe in a lot of cases, the best thing to 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.280 do is to frame stuff like taking care of your 0:18:55.320 --> 0:19:00.400 own child and cleaning the dishes as like scrubbing yourself 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.720 with soap from time to time, which just like, yeah, 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:07.480 it's just the thing you do. Yeah, well right, it's 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.679 the It's the opposite of what he said earlier in 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.840 this video. In the previous episode, about like lying and 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.120 like manipulating language and stuff and saying untruths, and like, well, 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.880 if reality is not is unreality, then how do you fight? 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.639 Like It's like, you don't need to talk like this. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.920 You're creating this weird like realm of thought that is 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:29.080 unnecessary in order to do the real things in real life. Also, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.960 this is Dragon's Monsters and men, and he's talking about 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:34.280 what it's like to be a man. I'd be very 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.720 curious what he would how he would respond to someone 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.320 saying if you're a woman, do you also have dragons? 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.399 Or like is it a different metaphor the occasionally and 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.160 he in here he does a couple of times, although 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.560 it's very clear who's he's angling Cody. Let's move past that. 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.080 I want to show you the funniest part of this 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.919 fucking episode, the treasures that you can get. Well, the 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:59.120 first thing Dragon's guard is Spurgeon. So there's that. Well, 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.719 it's very bizarre story, right, the story of the dragon. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:07.040 Dragons guard golden and virgins. It's like, what interest do 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:12.560 dragons have in golden virgins? But well, the girl wants 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.240 the guy who can overcome the dragon, So that's that's that. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.680 That's dead simple and and obvious to anyone with even 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:27.080 a smidgeon of biological knowledge. That's any any biologist will 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:33.159 tell you, Cody, the dragons love virgins and women the 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.000 guy slay the dragon. But also, like, these dragon stories 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.159 aren't from the point of view of the woman, you 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.919 know they're they're usually like the prize in these stories, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.439 she's not a character, and so it's not about like 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:51.159 what she wants, it's about what he thinks she wants. 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.360 So he gets the thing to present as this night 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.160 to say whenever. It's funny because Jordan's has recently come 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.760 out and said that like he's emotionally moved by being 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.760 basically the in cell philosopher. And the reason why a 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.680 lot of men are in cells is because they internalize 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.840 these ideas about what women want that are created by 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.280 men like men like Walt Disney and the nineteen fucking 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.560 fifties UM who didn't maybe had never talked to a 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:25.399 woman in an open and honest conversation, UM talk talked 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.560 at a woman. But even then with Walt Disney, probably 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.320 not all that often, because I don't think women were 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.080 allowed to speak at the Disney offices, and I don't 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.199 even know if that's a joke. I I don't. I 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.840 don't think that was a um Cody. You know it 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:46.080 is a joke. Below prices on gold that our sponsors selling, Cody, 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.320 are you ever scared of the world all the time. Well, 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.399 I'm gonna need you to do something for me. Doing something. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.200 Get out, get out a piece of paper and a pin. Right, 0:21:56.280 --> 0:22:00.280 your bank account number and you're routing number, your whift 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.919 code and your pin on it. Okay, and then you 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.280 just send that over to me, and at some point 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.080 I'm gonna buy gold. I'm not gonna give it to 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.360 you because you might lose it, Cody. Sometimes you get 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.640 holes in your pockets and stuff. I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.360 put that gold in a very real bank and then 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.720 when you need it, you just come and call me. 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.159 I'll give you my number later and we'll well, you 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.600 can get your gold and everyone can do this. Just 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.120 send me your bank account routing numbers, and I will 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.879 use it to buy gold at a great price. Okay, 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.640 and you'll just like you'll, you'll mail me your number. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.000 you'll get it at some point. Anyway, let's roll these 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:48.800 ads for gold. We're back, Cody, Robert Cody. So I 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.159 think one of the things that's funny about that virgin 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.680 dragon rant is that you kind of see Jordan's start 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.720 to ask himself why dragons want virgins and then realize 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.480 there's no reason, right, Like, it's just kind of a 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:04.359 weird thing that likes to think about that now. And 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.920 and maybe even like the most famous dragon and all 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:11.720 of fiction didn't do that because Jare Tolkien was just 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.119 a little bit better of a storyteller than some of 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:19.480 the folks at Disney. Maybe. Um anyway, Uh, Jordan's is, 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.360 I don't know, there's so much that's wrong about that. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.320 Um in stories, like you know, the stories that servants 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:31.480 hated dragons are sometimes yeah, one of I don't know, 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.479 have a virgin for some reasons that a night can 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.560 rescue her or whatever. But Jordan is he's not talking 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.800 about like stories again, He's dropping these things that are 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:48.120 like old storytelling shortcuts and not even particularly good ones, right. 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.520 Like we can debate as to whether or not, you know, 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.640 the evil uncle or the virgin held by a dragon 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.040 is like a good thing to have in a story, 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.879