Speaker 1: M oh d my Cody, it's behind the bastards, Cody Johnston. Addition, Cody,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Have you successfully what's the last
Speaker 1: dragon that you've confronted to get at its horde of gold? Uh?
Speaker 1: Getting to bed and sleeping soundly and waking up RESTful?
Speaker 1: Was my gold? Wow? My gold is the gold that
Speaker 1: I stole from the underground layer of the dragon Smaug,
Speaker 1: who I successfully fought using a variety of bliss. I
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought you metaphor No, no, no literally
Speaker 1: literally yeah. Sean Connery, Yes, famously Sean Connery the dragon. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: because all dragons, like all evil uncles, are actually the
Speaker 1: same ragon. You never questioned when a dragon comes in
Speaker 1: because Sean Connery playing a dragon in the movie. I
Speaker 1: know the movie you're talking about, but I've actually forgetten
Speaker 1: the Dragonheart. Fucking great movie, incredible film I've ever seen
Speaker 1: that I have, Cody, I used to love that movie. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about that movie in years. I think
Speaker 1: I have to rewatch Dragonheart and actually see if it's
Speaker 1: if it holds up, because I have no idea if
Speaker 1: it has like, yeah, I don't know. Um, it's been
Speaker 1: it's been a while. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: a dragon fantasy movie probably doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: the things that makes something show up as aged, like
Speaker 1: rampant homophobia. Yeah, that probably isn't a factor in Dragon
Speaker 1: Heart say that, but yeah, I'm gonna watch it and
Speaker 1: be like, wow, I forgot that. There's a thirty five
Speaker 1: minutes Sean Connery rant about immigration in the middle. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, Sean Connery doing the voice, so maybe he
Speaker 1: like talks about how it's okay to slap women dragons
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Is that okay? But if they're dragons, is it wrong?
Speaker 1: If it's well, I'm saying, Cody, the dragon is a
Speaker 1: powerful arc type because we all have dragons that have
Speaker 1: to be conquered, and the only way to conquer a
Speaker 1: dragon is with the sword of truth. And if you're
Speaker 1: using the sort of truth, could you not slap a
Speaker 1: dragon with the sword of truth? If, for perhaps you
Speaker 1: were unable to penetrate its scales with the sword because
Speaker 1: you don't have a pin, because the pin is mightier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't say it's wrong, Cody. I
Speaker 1: could say it's wrong. I won't because it's not. Who's
Speaker 1: to know what wrong and right is? Dr Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 1: we are not yet through the first episode of his
Speaker 1: god incredible TV ship series Dragons, Monsters and Robert. We sure.
Speaker 1: I like your little Your little almost slipped just calling
Speaker 1: it a ship. It is ship. Um, it's it is
Speaker 1: It is complete true. You know what's fun, Cody, is
Speaker 1: that before this happened, I was out in the woods
Speaker 1: where a friend and I spent a significant part of
Speaker 1: a saturday uh field dressing a deer with non ideal
Speaker 1: equivalent equipment in like the middle of the deep woods,
Speaker 1: far away from other people. Um. And that that whole
Speaker 1: experience was both powerfully primal. UM. I think it's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that Jordan Peterson would say, that that
Speaker 1: that men are supposed to be doing, and that is
Speaker 1: that is healthy for them. And it was a task
Speaker 1: that my friend and I accomplished but by being agreeable
Speaker 1: with each other. And because my friend is more competent
Speaker 1: at this than me, it's a task that I was
Speaker 1: able to accomplish by listening to them, um, rather than
Speaker 1: attempting to like direct and manage the process. Because I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to do it as well as they did,
Speaker 1: um and communicate respectfully to you. Sure did, Cody, And
Speaker 1: as a result, Um it was. It was a wonderful
Speaker 1: experience all around, and a great probably know a little
Speaker 1: more about how to do it now I do I do,
Speaker 1: because but so I mean, but did you cry while
Speaker 1: thinking about Dumbo during it? I didn't cry while thinking
Speaker 1: about Dumbo. I did have the revelation that Antifa hates
Speaker 1: God because in cell uh No, it's the for the
Speaker 1: curse of being right. Yeah, the cursive being right, the
Speaker 1: curse that that quote from Tombstone. Yeah, I thought a
Speaker 1: lot about the curse of being as I was looking
Speaker 1: at the subaru. Impressive. That got totalled by that, dear
Speaker 1: good times. So let's get Let's get back to Dr
Speaker 1: Jordan episode one of the Honestly, this is just like
Speaker 1: your theaters and greatest hits the show. It is him
Speaker 1: ranting in a way where it's like, you know, the
Speaker 1: thing you talked about all the time, just like do
Speaker 1: another version of that, Yeah, go at it. Jordan's b
Speaker 1: Peterson Tales track into as we as We've that's a
Speaker 1: different show. So although all dragons are the same, just
Speaker 1: like all uncles are evil. Sadly, this is a different show,
Speaker 1: and the Catholic Church is an uncle, which is why
Speaker 1: you should go to it because it's your not disagree
Speaker 1: with it because you don't believe anything, but also change
Speaker 1: it because it molests you. Let's listen to some other
Speaker 1: wisdom that Dr Peterson has. So when we left off,
Speaker 1: he's just announced that writing isn't a tool for finding
Speaker 1: truth or learning to think, it's a tool of domination,
Speaker 1: because domination is the only task Jordan's seas as worth accomplishing. Well,
Speaker 1: I can scrap the rough I don't want, you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of my life that was rough I want.
Speaker 1: I floated through life on a cloud of pillows and
Speaker 1: nothing ever challenged or threatened me. It's like no one
Speaker 1: wants that as their memory. What they want is like dragons, victories,
Speaker 1: dragons victories, dragons victories, something like that, or beasts, you know, tamed,
Speaker 1: beasts tamed, something like that. And so you know, there's
Speaker 1: a deet you all understand the value of like the
Speaker 1: ups and downs of life. And if everything is perfect,
Speaker 1: then nothing is perfect, and you need struggles to have successes,
Speaker 1: and you need bad vibes to have good vibes to
Speaker 1: compare to and it's good to like accomplish your goals
Speaker 1: and get out there and you know, make some successes
Speaker 1: in life is a struggle. And but he uses this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that like everybody like generally agrees about,
Speaker 1: like that life is to say, like you shouldn't like
Speaker 1: not going to medical debt and like all these like
Speaker 1: things that like we can make things like a little
Speaker 1: easier and you can still have challenges and successes and
Speaker 1: victories in life if you can go to the doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's also just like nothing he's saying is an
Speaker 1: absolute truth. These are all conditional truths of challenges and
Speaker 1: struggles like meeting and and exceeding chan leunges and struggles
Speaker 1: can make you a better, stronger person. Um Also, surviving
Speaker 1: difficult things sometimes ruins you as a human being. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are fundamentally broke. For example, one of
Speaker 1: my grandpa's brothers fought at Best Stone and got shot
Speaker 1: through the head and survived and was never the same,
Speaker 1: and everyone agrees he was kind of fundamentally broken by
Speaker 1: the experience. Uh, he went and he slayed a dragon,
Speaker 1: and it it like ruined the rest of his life,
Speaker 1: which is the thing that happens to a lot of
Speaker 1: people who encounter things that are are difficult and traumatizing,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't always make you better. Sometimes it makes
Speaker 1: you less capable of dealing with the world. Well, that's
Speaker 1: you got to choose the right dragons, right, Yes, the
Speaker 1: wrong dragon in that case was the Nazis. He should
Speaker 1: have picked an easier dragons, like yeah, yeah, like sitting
Speaker 1: at home and advocating for an end to the New Deal,
Speaker 1: or like yeah, m a video game, yeah, like a
Speaker 1: video game. Um, anyway, whatever, it's perfect. It's all right
Speaker 1: on the screen. Which dragons to go after? Which dragons
Speaker 1: to go after? And let's let's see how he how
Speaker 1: he explains this treasures are worth attaining. That's a good question,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, you could you could be
Speaker 1: like don Kyote and and go after windmills. And there's
Speaker 1: something noble about Kote because at least he goes after something.
Speaker 1: I what wait, wait, can we keep going. Let's let's
Speaker 1: go a little. They're at least dragons in his imagination.
Speaker 1: You know, it's dangerous to go play in traffic. But
Speaker 1: and so you might say, well, I've run out in traffic.
Speaker 1: I'm dodging cars. I'm playing chicken, Aren't I slaying the dragon?
Speaker 1: It's like a hardy exposure to danger. It might be
Speaker 1: better than no exposure at all. You know, there is
Speaker 1: something someone admirable Bats, that kind of careless bravado that
Speaker 1: you sometimes see among the Sophie past this because I
Speaker 1: want to emphasize Jordan Peterson has just kind of kind
Speaker 1: of talked himself into running into traffic, like he kind
Speaker 1: of convinces himself it's a good something. Sometimes maybe that's
Speaker 1: good to run into traffic. Let's second, Okay, alright, good
Speaker 1: luck Jordan's That's sort of the Bart Simpson approach to life,
Speaker 1: you know, better than the Millhouse approach. Neither are optimal.
Speaker 1: I feel like one of the points of the Simpsons
Speaker 1: is that neither Bart nor Millhouse are are anything but
Speaker 1: like object failures, as people like every time they get
Speaker 1: ahead to their future. Bart is like living a marginal existence,
Speaker 1: like an inch away from being out on the street.
Speaker 1: He becomes a Supreme Court justice. Right. Oh wait, isn't
Speaker 1: that is? That's one of the new one, Cody. We
Speaker 1: don't need to go out se back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's like classic Simpsons. Yeah, talking about it, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the one where Lisa Mary's the British man. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's just like, well, even in that episode, he's like,
Speaker 1: there's like a reference. He's like, he's like, looks like
Speaker 1: ship and he's like, yeah, I'm a fucking piece of ship.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't worry, I'm getting out all my aggression
Speaker 1: before I go to law school. And then he becomes
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice. No, that's the one where they
Speaker 1: see the Itchy and Scratchy movie, right and his dad.
Speaker 1: That's two. So the Itchen Scratchy one is first, Uh,
Speaker 1: we see him as as a Supreme Court justice. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then the flash forward this is the president. Uh. Jordan,
Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, is in construction.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to law school eventually.
Speaker 1: You're right, Jordan Peterson is correct. It's better to be
Speaker 1: a Bart Simpson than a millhouse unless there's a moderate
Speaker 1: amount of flooding, in which case you probably want to
Speaker 1: be a millhouse. Because he's got those he's got those
Speaker 1: those pants that are cuffed up a little bit high.
Speaker 1: Um keeps his cuffs bone dry. Everything's coming up anyway anyway, UM,
Speaker 1: I just find it so like, all right, it's real quick.
Speaker 1: There's a few things here. It's just like he he's
Speaker 1: given a few examples and none of them are good yet,
Speaker 1: like what dragons do you fight? Well, don Yote thought dragons.
Speaker 1: That didn't want to talk about that, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about don Quixote because he brings up don Quixote
Speaker 1: to say that, like, well he's a tilting it windows windmills,
Speaker 1: and the windmills you know, aren't what he thinks they are,
Speaker 1: but like there's something noble and just the act of
Speaker 1: of the of the fight itself, and that that's something beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's really funny to me because Savante's I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not an expert on don Quixote, but if you look up,
Speaker 1: like what the author why he wrote don Quixote, it
Speaker 1: was because he was really pissed at the popular fiction
Speaker 1: that existed at the day, which was mostly these like
Speaker 1: really shitty and derivative stories of like medieval nights and
Speaker 1: you know, doing night shit. Um. He specifically framed don
Speaker 1: Quixote as an attack on quote, vain and empty books
Speaker 1: of chivalry. He was trying to destroy a genre of
Speaker 1: fiction that he found tepid and not engaging and not
Speaker 1: particularly like intellectually valuable. And it's exactly the kind of
Speaker 1: fiction that Jordan B. Peterson has based his entire life
Speaker 1: view on, right, like that Don Quixote is about, like, God,
Speaker 1: all this stuff is lame as hell's like boring. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: uh that's of course, yeah, it's it's and like but
Speaker 1: also like he brings it up and then doesn't really
Speaker 1: even make a point. It's just like he's trying to
Speaker 1: he's trying to answer the questions. He's kind of saying,
Speaker 1: tilting it windills is good. Yeah, well no, because they
Speaker 1: like the the only examples he's given so far are like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this this story where it's not really a dragon or
Speaker 1: running into traffic, Yeah, those are the two. And he
Speaker 1: talks again. I have to cannot emphasize enough. He talks
Speaker 1: himself into leaving that running into traffic might be a
Speaker 1: good idea than not doing it. All right, but no,
Speaker 1: actually like not like completely like ignoring that. Like, by
Speaker 1: the way, when you run into traffic, it's not just
Speaker 1: like doing a dangerous thing, it's looking a dangerous thing
Speaker 1: for potentially hundreds of people who are also who are
Speaker 1: like on the road in their cars. It's not just
Speaker 1: like this like weird like uh Frogger video game or
Speaker 1: like extreme sports. Right, it's not you're not jumping out
Speaker 1: of an airplane like getting the rush of that extreme experience.
Speaker 1: You're in traffic. People will die. It's silly, man. Yeah, anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's amazing how really consistently in this this episode, Cody.
Speaker 1: The only parts of Peterson's rants that actually translate into
Speaker 1: useful information is stuff that like you're eleventh grade guidance
Speaker 1: counselor could have told you in between smoking weed out
Speaker 1: behind the building. Stuff like job interviews can be gary,
Speaker 1: but you have to do them sometimes on them, like
Speaker 1: it's not even like you have to do this sometimes,
Speaker 1: like yeah, get better at public speaking. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the the the challenge that I have in life, I
Speaker 1: should try to like get better at it. Like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: the most basic life. Yeah, you don't need to couch
Speaker 1: it and it's like dragons and monsters and men to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're struggling with that, you should work
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah you can, you can succeed. I'll help,
Speaker 1: Like it's well and also I don't know. Maybe if
Speaker 1: you think about it that way, Uh, that's less useful
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I just I I lift weights.
Speaker 1: I'm not a power lifter or anything like that. But
Speaker 1: I've made consistent progress and I just recently hit the
Speaker 1: point where I was able to do two full sets
Speaker 1: at a new max and it it was it was
Speaker 1: something I've been working towards for about a year. And
Speaker 1: I didn't think about I want to be able to
Speaker 1: bench press two and twenty pounds as if it was
Speaker 1: a dragon. I thought about it the way that most
Speaker 1: people think about most actual challenges, where this is a
Speaker 1: series incremental improvements that I need to make until eventually
Speaker 1: I can do the thing. And look, now I've done
Speaker 1: the thing. That's nice. Um And when I when I
Speaker 1: repeatedly was unable to do it earlier, I didn't think
Speaker 1: the dragon has bested me. I thought this is part
Speaker 1: of incremental improvement. Is failing in this very simple act
Speaker 1: to be described. Um yeah, if it if this helps people, great,
Speaker 1: but it seems like an unnecessary abstraction, uh to actual
Speaker 1: progress and success. But yeah, it's that's exactly what it is. Is.
Speaker 1: It's not like you can think about challenges. This way
Speaker 1: you can think about wanting to do, you know, raise
Speaker 1: your squats or whatever, or run a mile faster as
Speaker 1: a dragon, and maybe that works for you, but it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think a silly and unnecessary way
Speaker 1: to think about going after challenges. Yeah, because this is
Speaker 1: like the way, and this is what we talked about
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but this in particular, this show
Speaker 1: for some reason, Yeah, this is the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that would be like a children's book. Yeah, he's taking
Speaker 1: Billy in the dragons and the dragon is a metaphor
Speaker 1: for all the challenges in life. And okay, that helps
Speaker 1: children understand what challenges are. But as anyone over the
Speaker 1: age of like eight or ten or twelve pick child's age,
Speaker 1: understands what challenges are. I think what Peterson has maybe
Speaker 1: recognized here that is actually intelligent is that masculinity in
Speaker 1: our society is so like broken because people think that
Speaker 1: it does rely like that that being masculine involves fighting things.
Speaker 1: Was going to because we've built like a world that's
Speaker 1: in many ways slightly better than it used to be. Um,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of chances for men to go
Speaker 1: fight things because it's actually not very necessary or healthy
Speaker 1: if people are fighting all the time. But all of
Speaker 1: our media is themed towards venerating physical courage as the
Speaker 1: primary expression of masculinity. And so Jordan Peterson recognized that
Speaker 1: you can make a lot of money if you dress
Speaker 1: up stuff like, hey, maybe practice doing job interviews as
Speaker 1: like and you must slay the dragon and defeat your
Speaker 1: evil uncle and right, and then like his audience skews
Speaker 1: like young white male kind of thing, and so like, okay,
Speaker 1: you like fantasy bullshit and you're fucking video games. I'll
Speaker 1: talk about it like that. Um, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: doing the dishes is like a dragon's like no, it's
Speaker 1: the thing you gotta do. It's like those like dude
Speaker 1: wipes or like tactical diaper changing bay okay, now cody
Speaker 1: tactical Wait wait, I do love I love all of
Speaker 1: the tactical diaper changing bags because they're they're made to
Speaker 1: look like or tactical like baby carriers. Because anything like that,
Speaker 1: anything that's like marketed like it's this everyday thing you do.
Speaker 1: But like it's wares are specifically any because they're like
Speaker 1: they're made to look like plate carriers, which is like
Speaker 1: a plate carriers a thing you wear over your body
Speaker 1: that carries armor inside of it and ammunition and stuff
Speaker 1: on the outside of it, and like the baby goes
Speaker 1: in the place that the body armor that's meant to
Speaker 1: absorb bullets. Unbelievable. It's just really funny. It's silly, and
Speaker 1: it's like these things that like, I know, I have
Speaker 1: to do this in order to get people to act
Speaker 1: like this, and that's just what he's doing, I think, honestly.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the fundamental things I disagree
Speaker 1: with Jordan is he's like, if you think about things
Speaker 1: in this way, then it will inspire people to achieve more,
Speaker 1: because people are fundamentally motivated by these these grand like
Speaker 1: some like archetypes in our heads and symbols from our stories.
Speaker 1: And I actually think that's pretty unhealthy. And I think
Speaker 1: maybe in a lot of cases, the best thing to
Speaker 1: do is to frame stuff like taking care of your
Speaker 1: own child and cleaning the dishes as like scrubbing yourself
Speaker 1: with soap from time to time, which just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just the thing you do. Yeah, well right, it's
Speaker 1: the It's the opposite of what he said earlier in
Speaker 1: this video. In the previous episode, about like lying and
Speaker 1: like manipulating language and stuff and saying untruths, and like, well,
Speaker 1: if reality is not is unreality, then how do you fight?
Speaker 1: Like It's like, you don't need to talk like this.
Speaker 1: You're creating this weird like realm of thought that is
Speaker 1: unnecessary in order to do the real things in real life. Also,
Speaker 1: this is Dragon's Monsters and men, and he's talking about
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a man. I'd be very
Speaker 1: curious what he would how he would respond to someone
Speaker 1: saying if you're a woman, do you also have dragons?
Speaker 1: Or like is it a different metaphor the occasionally and
Speaker 1: he in here he does a couple of times, although
Speaker 1: it's very clear who's he's angling Cody. Let's move past that.
Speaker 1: I want to show you the funniest part of this
Speaker 1: fucking episode, the treasures that you can get. Well, the
Speaker 1: first thing Dragon's guard is Spurgeon. So there's that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's very bizarre story, right, the story of the dragon.
Speaker 1: Dragons guard golden and virgins. It's like, what interest do
Speaker 1: dragons have in golden virgins? But well, the girl wants
Speaker 1: the guy who can overcome the dragon, So that's that's that.
Speaker 1: That's dead simple and and obvious to anyone with even
Speaker 1: a smidgeon of biological knowledge. That's any any biologist will
Speaker 1: tell you, Cody, the dragons love virgins and women the
Speaker 1: guy slay the dragon. But also, like, these dragon stories
Speaker 1: aren't from the point of view of the woman, you
Speaker 1: know they're they're usually like the prize in these stories,
Speaker 1: she's not a character, and so it's not about like
Speaker 1: what she wants, it's about what he thinks she wants.
Speaker 1: So he gets the thing to present as this night
Speaker 1: to say whenever. It's funny because Jordan's has recently come
Speaker 1: out and said that like he's emotionally moved by being
Speaker 1: basically the in cell philosopher. And the reason why a
Speaker 1: lot of men are in cells is because they internalize
Speaker 1: these ideas about what women want that are created by
Speaker 1: men like men like Walt Disney and the nineteen fucking
Speaker 1: fifties UM who didn't maybe had never talked to a
Speaker 1: woman in an open and honest conversation, UM talk talked
Speaker 1: at a woman. But even then with Walt Disney, probably
Speaker 1: not all that often, because I don't think women were
Speaker 1: allowed to speak at the Disney offices, and I don't
Speaker 1: even know if that's a joke. I I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think that was a um Cody. You know it
Speaker 1: is a joke. Below prices on gold that our sponsors selling, Cody,
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Speaker 1: ads for gold. We're back, Cody, Robert Cody. So I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that's funny about that virgin
Speaker 1: dragon rant is that you kind of see Jordan's start
Speaker 1: to ask himself why dragons want virgins and then realize
Speaker 1: there's no reason, right, Like, it's just kind of a
Speaker 1: weird thing that likes to think about that now. And
Speaker 1: and maybe even like the most famous dragon and all
Speaker 1: of fiction didn't do that because Jare Tolkien was just
Speaker 1: a little bit better of a storyteller than some of
Speaker 1: the folks at Disney. Maybe. Um anyway, Uh, Jordan's is,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's so much that's wrong about that.
Speaker 1: Um in stories, like you know, the stories that servants
Speaker 1: hated dragons are sometimes yeah, one of I don't know,
Speaker 1: have a virgin for some reasons that a night can
Speaker 1: rescue her or whatever. But Jordan is he's not talking
Speaker 1: about like stories again, He's dropping these things that are
Speaker 1: like old storytelling shortcuts and not even particularly good ones, right.
Speaker 1: Like we can debate as to whether or not, you know,
Speaker 1: the evil uncle or the virgin held by a dragon
Speaker 1: is like a good thing to have in a story,
Speaker 1: But there are many stories that include like evil and
Speaker 1: that include dragons that do not include those tropes, and
Speaker 1: in fact, most really good stories don't include those tropes
Speaker 1: because they're not particularly necessary and they're boring. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: I find it so that whole brief little clip was
Speaker 1: so fascinating because also he because he's bringing up like, oh,
Speaker 1: also golden virgins, you see, and his explanation for why
Speaker 1: dragons will capture virgins was that, well, because women, you know,
Speaker 1: they want the man who who defeats the dragon and
Speaker 1: any biologists. And he gets so angry about that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot. Well, that doesn't explain the
Speaker 1: virgin part, Mr Peterson, You you ignored that you specifically
Speaker 1: said virgins, and then your explanations like, well, women want
Speaker 1: the guy who can get things done, what about the
Speaker 1: virgin part that you brought up? You brought this up
Speaker 1: like it's is still removed from the thing he's trying
Speaker 1: to pretend know what to talk about. So much of
Speaker 1: like what he has to say is based on like
Speaker 1: he he frames it as it's based on these like
Speaker 1: immutable evolutionary truths, like hierarchy is a thing that we
Speaker 1: know is important because human like creatures of doing it
Speaker 1: before there were human beings lobsters you know, are hardwired
Speaker 1: for you know, yeah before it's older than trees and
Speaker 1: anything like that. There's a reason that it has been
Speaker 1: around for so long and and that's why it's the
Speaker 1: only way that things can ever be. And it's like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: if if if just kind of like raw evolutionary uh
Speaker 1: benefit was the only thing that mattered, then um, there's
Speaker 1: actually not any reason to seek out a virgin. And
Speaker 1: in fact, if you're if all that matters is like
Speaker 1: spreading your DNA, finding people who have proven that like
Speaker 1: their body type is able to easily and successfully undergo
Speaker 1: childbirth would be better than just randomly picking out virgins
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, um, who can give birth
Speaker 1: die doing it because it's it's hard. Um. And maybe
Speaker 1: if you're if all that organisms do is optimized for survival,
Speaker 1: that's actually not the best tactic. Yeah. So maybe it's
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, So maybe it's a maybe people doesn't create.
Speaker 1: They're not always logical, and we can change our value
Speaker 1: systems because often they're silly and self defeating. Maybe everything
Speaker 1: in the world and how it should be can't be
Speaker 1: explained by just like how evolution worked out, yeah, or
Speaker 1: by fucking Disney story tales from the nineteen sixties. Um. Anyway, obviously,
Speaker 1: the most harmful thing about this whole dragon in virgin
Speaker 1: ship is that, like, actual women in real life, virgin
Speaker 1: or not, are not being guarded by dragons. They're human
Speaker 1: beings who get to make their own decisions. And the
Speaker 1: task of like falling in love is not conquering a dragon.
Speaker 1: It's like meeting somebody and building a relationship, which is
Speaker 1: very different from fighting an animal. Um. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: and like winning the game because he even he hits
Speaker 1: on this earlier of like, well, yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: you want to work on yourself and demonstrate like why
Speaker 1: you're a good valuable person and like all these things
Speaker 1: and like get skills and do that be a dragon
Speaker 1: slayer in his in his language, and prove that you
Speaker 1: can be. But it's not the act of doing it
Speaker 1: that wins you the the virgin Prize. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: all of the things that make you good at fighting
Speaker 1: are are not things that make you good in a relationship,
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's it's it's it's everything about this
Speaker 1: is fundamentally toxic. I'm sure he would disagree with you,
Speaker 1: But Dr Peterson actually fight because you know you have
Speaker 1: you if you know, if you know your dragons and
Speaker 1: she knows her dragons and your dragons can fight each other.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've had to fight a couple of
Speaker 1: wild animals, and the tactic that was successful for me
Speaker 1: was picking up a big stick and hitting it in
Speaker 1: the nose. Um. I have not tried that in a
Speaker 1: romantic relationship, but I don't think it would help me.
Speaker 1: Probably not. Jean Connery would different. Sean Connery would say different.
Speaker 1: You know, m anyway, women are going to be what
Speaker 1: would you say, entranced by the man who can keep
Speaker 1: the predator away from the infants. I mean, clearly that's
Speaker 1: a primary significance. So if you can confront the dragon,
Speaker 1: you get the girl. And that's how God only knows
Speaker 1: how old that story is, like millions of years old?
Speaker 1: What Dr Peterson, There's no story that's millions of years old.
Speaker 1: People haven't been telling them from millions of years Just
Speaker 1: so silly. He's just trying to say that, like the
Speaker 1: act of like a male organism protecting a female organism
Speaker 1: from like a predator is like a tale as old
Speaker 1: as times like Okay, I don't know it's theoretically we
Speaker 1: don't actually know when people started talking obviously, like when
Speaker 1: human beings started using words, because we were not writing
Speaker 1: at that point. I think like fifty thousand years is
Speaker 1: often bandied, but it's possible it goes back like like
Speaker 1: two million years. But I will I would be willing
Speaker 1: to bet that that is not the way stories were
Speaker 1: necessarily framed for two million years, because I I think
Speaker 1: evidence suggests that things were a little bit like storytelling
Speaker 1: was much less literal for some of those people's because
Speaker 1: a lot of things about their belief system in the
Speaker 1: way they dealt with the world would have been not
Speaker 1: like not been literal in ways that Uh, the way
Speaker 1: we talk is because so much of human thought in
Speaker 1: speech has been informed by the stuff that happened in
Speaker 1: the past. So the first people probably would not have
Speaker 1: talked about anything the way that is recognizable. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We have not been telling that story for millions of years.
Speaker 1: That's where I come come come to ground on um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I tend to agree with you that we
Speaker 1: haven't been telling that story for millions of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we absolutely have not. Anyway the episode, sorry, what he's
Speaker 1: talking about this he's just such a little sneaky little
Speaker 1: word man, because he's not saying I don't think he's
Speaker 1: saying like, literally, we've been telling the story of millions
Speaker 1: of the years, saying that this the existence of this
Speaker 1: event in like this, the manifestation of this dynamic has
Speaker 1: existed for millions of years, right like he would he
Speaker 1: would describe like, oh, the tale of the of the
Speaker 1: little guy, uh making his way up the hierarchy has
Speaker 1: been a story told for millions of years. And what
Speaker 1: he means is like, yeah, love, just do this. And
Speaker 1: so like the act of it existing in the world
Speaker 1: is in his mind the story being told, because that's
Speaker 1: how he views all this stuff. He's just a weird guy.
Speaker 1: He is just he is just a weird guy, Cody,
Speaker 1: You know it isn't weird. Third capitalism, Yeah, the third
Speaker 1: split screen is pretty great. Um, and so is the
Speaker 1: ads that sponsored this podcast. In a way, they're your dragons,
Speaker 1: these ads. By throwing some cash on the fucking ground. Ah,
Speaker 1: we're back. So the episode kind of starts to end
Speaker 1: with more of what I would call meaningless tripe. First,
Speaker 1: he says that like, travel is good because it helps
Speaker 1: you figure out who you want to be which is fine,
Speaker 1: But then he says that like doing this is quote
Speaker 1: unquote active aiding the ancestral father, and he compares it
Speaker 1: to epigenetics, saying that stressing yourself, stressing yourself cody leads
Speaker 1: your genes to activate new modules that give you new abilities.
Speaker 1: Talking about leveling up kind of yes, and like getting
Speaker 1: skill points, like putting ah unlocked brawler A turn things
Speaker 1: on inside of you that you don't even know we're there.
Speaker 1: And that's the same as reactivating the ancestral father. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing because all that biological capacity is in
Speaker 1: some sense nested inside you, maybe coded at the genetic level.
Speaker 1: We know that if you stress yourself in particular ways,
Speaker 1: especially voluntarily, new genes turn on and code for new proteins,
Speaker 1: like you literally build new modules there there in latent form.
Speaker 1: It's not much different than you know, when you go
Speaker 1: to the gym and you start lifting weights while your
Speaker 1: body is going to transform. But it's not going to
Speaker 1: do that if you just sit around it a little
Speaker 1: little army ways, he was cheering a cheer. He was
Speaker 1: doing a little cheer. Look, he gets epigenetics completely wrong.
Speaker 1: It does not work that way. It is not like
Speaker 1: lifting weights, and it is not unlocking modules that provide
Speaker 1: you with new powers. Um. Epigenetics is a real phenomenon,
Speaker 1: and it certainly seems accurate to say that there are
Speaker 1: things that can be passed on in your d NA
Speaker 1: to your descendants and that are passed on into you
Speaker 1: from your ancestors in ways that are not super well understood.
Speaker 1: But certain things can get switched on by environmental factors.
Speaker 1: It is not like unlocking ancient powers. You are not
Speaker 1: like becoming your ancestors by unlocking powers that they encoded
Speaker 1: in your DNA. And in fact, a lot of like
Speaker 1: when this kind of epigenetic phenomenon is observed, it's often
Speaker 1: stuff that you wouldn't want to have happened. It's bad stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from a little right up in medline
Speaker 1: plus on how genes work. That is a pretty basic
Speaker 1: rite up I can understand, and I'm stupid quote. A
Speaker 1: common type of epigenetic modification is called d n A methylation.
Speaker 1: DNA methylation involves the attachment of a small chemical groups
Speaker 1: called methyl groups, each consisting of one carbon atom and
Speaker 1: three hydrogen atoms, to DNA building blocks. When methyl groups
Speaker 1: are present on a gene, that gene is turned off
Speaker 1: or silenced, and no protein is produced from that gene.
Speaker 1: Another common epigenetic change is his stone modification. His stones
Speaker 1: are structural proteins in the in the cell nucleus. DNA
Speaker 1: wraps around his stones, giving chromosomes their shape. His stones
Speaker 1: can be modified by the addition or removal of chemical
Speaker 1: groups such as methyl groups or acidal groups, each consisting
Speaker 1: of two carbon, three hydrogen, and one oxygen atoms. The
Speaker 1: chemical groups influence how tightly the DNA is wrapped around
Speaker 1: his stones, which affects whether a gene can be turned
Speaker 1: on or not. Errors in the epigenetic process, such as
Speaker 1: modification of the wrong gene or failure to add a
Speaker 1: chemical group to a particular gene or his stone, can
Speaker 1: lead to abnormal gene activity or inactivity. All your gene activity,
Speaker 1: including that caused by epigenetic errors, is a common cause
Speaker 1: of genetic disorders. Conditions such as cancers, metabolic disorders, and
Speaker 1: degenerative disorders have been found to be related to epigenetic errors.
Speaker 1: It's like, again, I don't understand epigenetics. No one really does.
Speaker 1: There's actually One of the major debates is like, is
Speaker 1: are there ways in which like trauma is passed on epigenetically,
Speaker 1: and it's actually like a lot of people will say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can see it, and you know, there's studies
Speaker 1: on Holocaust survivors. We actually don't really have a great
Speaker 1: handle on it. And like the degree to which that's true,
Speaker 1: if it is, like all of this is I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert. There's a lot we don't know about this stuff.
Speaker 1: A lot we don't tie it to the spiritual as
Speaker 1: it is a thing. It definitely isn't is like you
Speaker 1: stress yourself and then gain powers from your ancestors. That's
Speaker 1: not epigenetics. And often epigenetics is like, yeah, like a
Speaker 1: weird environmental factor caused this like thing in your DNA
Speaker 1: to activate and and now you have cancer. So it's
Speaker 1: not like I went through I like went through like
Speaker 1: a big ordeal. I fought a dragon and I unlocked sharpshooter. No,
Speaker 1: it's more like there's errors made when you're like photo
Speaker 1: copying stuff, and sometimes those errors can cause serious problems.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not the only thing that Again, EVA
Speaker 1: genetics is much more complicated than that little quote that
Speaker 1: I've read. I just want to make the point that
Speaker 1: he is wrong. He is completely wrong about but he's
Speaker 1: a biologist. It is not like lifting weights, but he's
Speaker 1: a biologist. So I feel like maybe he's right about everything.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, Cody, and you know you know
Speaker 1: what else you're right about that this fucking episode is
Speaker 1: almost over. Um I was right. God bless you for everything,
Speaker 1: Mr Cody. Bless us everyone, God bless us everyone, Sophie,
Speaker 1: can we play the last minute or so before the
Speaker 1: before the credits run. I just want Cody to see
Speaker 1: how this all. You can't just give me a second
Speaker 1: exit because you didn't mark anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: we weren't planning to have a font maybe the worst
Speaker 1: font I've actually ever seen, Like I would prefer Papyrus
Speaker 1: or comic sands. Oh okay, you want the last minute? Um?
Speaker 1: Fuck me. I don't want to see it. And we
Speaker 1: are unfortunately back. We are unfortunately back. It's not much
Speaker 1: different than you know, when you go to the gym
Speaker 1: and you start lifting weights while your body is going
Speaker 1: to transform, but it's not going to do that if
Speaker 1: you just sit around. You have to you have to
Speaker 1: face your being with the necessity of transformation, and then
Speaker 1: all sorts of new things that you had no idea
Speaker 1: you were capable of will make themselves manifest, and that's
Speaker 1: all part of that pattern of voluntary confrontation that's the
Speaker 1: core of any an adventure. Did that make Did that
Speaker 1: make any sense to you? Cody? Oh my god? I
Speaker 1: need to absorb what's going on in these plays real quick.
Speaker 1: We've got kind of again like a Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: style fun is going on ending scenes in what is this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like we just watched Jordan Peterson like fistfight a
Speaker 1: fucking cave bear. This is so intense. Also, whoever sound
Speaker 1: designed this? Why did you so much louder than people
Speaker 1: are involved in the production? Shall we continue? Like too
Speaker 1: many people now? Cody? Oh my god, it's so embarrassed thing.
Speaker 1: You've made a lot of videos in your life. Some
Speaker 1: of them have been videos of a person sitting and
Speaker 1: talking to camera. What how big of a crew would you?
Speaker 1: Would you say you need? Is it that many fucking
Speaker 1: people know? Um? Well, so with our I mean with
Speaker 1: our show, I'm the only guy in the room. We
Speaker 1: do it over zoom. We have director and uh teleprompter
Speaker 1: virtually um, and there are people on zoom helping out
Speaker 1: and like adjusting lights. Um, but its just me in
Speaker 1: the room. Um. When we had a studio it was
Speaker 1: three people maybe including me. Usually, Um, this is a
Speaker 1: little fancier, you know. It's there are two cameras at
Speaker 1: least the cameras in motion, so you need to probably
Speaker 1: have a boom mic operator following them along so you
Speaker 1: don't get the mike and the shot and then another
Speaker 1: one for the second camera and maybe the third camera. Um,
Speaker 1: so more. I think it requires more than we would
Speaker 1: use for sure, but not as many as I saw
Speaker 1: on screen. Um. But you know, they need to make
Speaker 1: it look again, it's like anything to make it look
Speaker 1: more intense than it is because it's just Peterson rambling
Speaker 1: about stuff. Um. There. I liked how at times there
Speaker 1: was this text on screen, just because you've got to
Speaker 1: have something going on, so just like have the words
Speaker 1: that he's saying on screen as he says it. Um.
Speaker 1: His little last speech was was odd because I mean
Speaker 1: we already talked about the genetic aspect of it, but
Speaker 1: like what he's just saying. He's trying to say, go
Speaker 1: out and like challenge yourself and like learn new skills,
Speaker 1: and you know sometimes uh, you know, bad situations can
Speaker 1: turn out well, okay, this was the first thing he
Speaker 1: said decided needs to be talked about. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what he's going to say. Oh, I think epigenetically, you
Speaker 1: actually do understand, because your ancestors had knowledge of this,
Speaker 1: just like they knew about your evil uncle who was
Speaker 1: the Catholic church and also talking to girls. If I'm understanding,
Speaker 1: Dr Peterson promises, I think. I think you are. I've
Speaker 1: gone through the stress of listening to him talk, and
Speaker 1: now I've unlocked sneak. I have unlocked the skill of
Speaker 1: my ancestors, which, as Italians, is cooking spicy meata balls.
Speaker 1: Probably like chef. Is the modules you unlocked chef or criminal?
Speaker 1: Those are the two options Italians, I guess fascists. So
Speaker 1: three we have three options? Yes, Cody, Yes, how are
Speaker 1: you feeling? Yes? How was it was episode one of
Speaker 1: this what you had expected from Dr Jordan Balthasar Peterson.
Speaker 1: It is dragons, monsters, and men, exactly what I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be. Um I I think I
Speaker 1: saw a trailer At one point I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so he's just like talking in a chair. Yeah, he is,
Speaker 1: just in fact talking at it I will say that
Speaker 1: the credit sequence, uh did kind of surprise me a
Speaker 1: little bit because it's like, like you expect, like a
Speaker 1: little some overwrought, dorky, like intense kind of drag any
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but it was more than I expected.
Speaker 1: It was very loud and and like unnecessary, and the
Speaker 1: shift from like you see the thing is it's like
Speaker 1: so funny and jarring. I love it. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Cody's fine. It's like I also, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, but I think it's amusing that it
Speaker 1: is like so many of these clips are like heard
Speaker 1: him say that before, talks about that a lot. Well
Speaker 1: there's a there's a sound, but I've heard ninety times
Speaker 1: on various YouTube videos. Um, well, you know, maybe they're
Speaker 1: getting their subscribers up and they're going to get that
Speaker 1: Gina Kurano sci fi movie penned by the Ben Shapiro
Speaker 1: out on Daily Wire Plus. And are they making an
Speaker 1: actual sci fi movie? I saw Gina Krano in the
Speaker 1: movie about Joe Biden, which includes a lot of editing
Speaker 1: that I could do, and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: edit because it looks like they're literally just taking like
Speaker 1: an MS paint style app and like drawing over frames
Speaker 1: funny how like poor the trailer it is dogshit it is.
Speaker 1: It's actually like the trailer makes it look like funny bad,
Speaker 1: but it really is not. It's just a terrible movie.
Speaker 1: I bet I could. But it's like it's it looks
Speaker 1: it looks made up, and not in the way that
Speaker 1: all movies are made up, but like it looks like
Speaker 1: a fake movie that someone is of the run time
Speaker 1: is Joe Biden either sitting in a car talking to
Speaker 1: his son or his son's sitting in a car talking
Speaker 1: to a sex worker and like explaining laboriously crimes that
Speaker 1: often don't sound like crimes because they're just like complicated
Speaker 1: real estate deals or whatever. I don't know. It's very boring.
Speaker 1: The only part of it that was funny is that
Speaker 1: so they do you know who Victor Yunakovich was? Is
Speaker 1: he was the former president of Ukraine who got overthrown
Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen when he tried to do dictator ship. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's like he looks like a middle manager. He's got
Speaker 1: like kind of strong Paul Manafort vibes, just kind of
Speaker 1: not a very interesting looking guy, but like a full
Speaker 1: head of hair and stuff. The dude they got to
Speaker 1: cast him was like bald and jacked. Um, like, they
Speaker 1: just got like a huge bald man who was fucking
Speaker 1: shredded to play the former dictator of Ukraine for no
Speaker 1: reason like there, I don't know why, You're just like,
Speaker 1: we gotta make sure this guy is played by a
Speaker 1: hot dude who's fucking shredded like it's it's it's nonsense, no,
Speaker 1: because he's he's framed as a bad guy because it's
Speaker 1: talking about like his he's clearly a bad guy and
Speaker 1: he has some shady dealings with Hunter. It's like because
Speaker 1: he is a bad I have no idea why they
Speaker 1: did it the way they did it. It's it's completely incomprehensible. Um,
Speaker 1: oh don't that was your first mistake. Don't try to
Speaker 1: comprehend the Hunter Biden movie with Gina Kurano. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: will never do that again. Cody, do you have any
Speaker 1: plug doubles to plug? Oh the same. Check out some
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Speaker 1: and keep your eye out for an album by a
Speaker 1: band called the Hot Shapes. That is my band. I
Speaker 1: don't know when this episode is coming out, so look
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, it'll come out one of these days,
Speaker 1: perhaps during the holidays, so you know, hit your evil
Speaker 1: uncle in the face in order to defeat the dragon
Speaker 1: of spending Thanksgiving with the people who love you. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you're evil uncle is a woman. If your evil
Speaker 1: uncle is a woman, then bucker uh kill a dragon
Speaker 1: in front of her. Okay, okay, okay, you can figure
Speaker 1: it out from here. You're you're now armed with the
Speaker 1: knowledge that is mightier than a sword anyway. Unlocked Penmanship
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