Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft show. Cowboys on
Speaker 1: the bour war Room for Incenter news and draft analysis,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, it must be
Speaker 1: getting close to draft time because they let us out
Speaker 1: of the office to do one of our road shows.
Speaker 1: And uh, as the Big Boys guy said, you have
Speaker 1: the draft show it is. Brian brought us, Dame Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman and we've got Jeff kavanot Hill join us
Speaker 1: a little bit later on here in the program. Boys,
Speaker 1: how's it feel to be out on the road. It
Speaker 1: feels good to have it be draft week? How about that?
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that too. And as I mentioned, we're
Speaker 1: out here at Shakerton's right, Dave, Yes, Shakerton's in the colony.
Speaker 1: If you're in the Dallas Fort Worth area. We're here
Speaker 1: till seven o'clock. They got special giveaways and prizes the
Speaker 1: whole time. We're here excited about that. This used to
Speaker 1: be my This Shue is my stomping grounds. Me and
Speaker 1: Dane we were across the street. Yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: venture over here quite a bit nice little area over here,
Speaker 1: lively little area here. Absolutely five minutes south of us. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you're in the area, come on buy and
Speaker 1: see us. We got plenty of Miller light here for
Speaker 1: you facts and we're enjoying ourselves. We're gonna get into
Speaker 1: some draft talk today. Of course. What I want to do,
Speaker 1: guys is I'd like to get into the Cowboys. I'd
Speaker 1: like to do a seven round mock draft, at least
Speaker 1: for the first hour of the program. I'd like to
Speaker 1: I'd like to be able to get into that and
Speaker 1: kind of give folks an idea of what names might
Speaker 1: be there at fifty eight and then at ninety and
Speaker 1: then as we go through this draft, I want to
Speaker 1: be able to talk about if we need to move up,
Speaker 1: do we need to move back, do we need This
Speaker 1: is something that we annually do every year on the
Speaker 1: Draft show. We thought so, I thought it'd be a
Speaker 1: good opportunity to take it out in front of a
Speaker 1: crowd and see folks reactions as we do this. So
Speaker 1: with that being said, I always turned the draft over
Speaker 1: to Dane Brugler, and Dane kind of explained the ground
Speaker 1: rules of what you got going in this draft and
Speaker 1: how we're going to follow the draft. Well, obviously this
Speaker 1: year is a little different. No first rump pick so
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, So first round we'll be watching. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it really doesn't matter for yeah, watching being the
Speaker 1: keyword exactly. Really, it's gonna be what safeties are off
Speaker 1: the board in the first thirty two picks, right close
Speaker 1: eye on that a couple of these visits, does a
Speaker 1: long thornhill sneaking in the top thirty two. Okay, that'll
Speaker 1: be something we're watching for because as we begin day
Speaker 1: two then starts things start to get more interesting. And
Speaker 1: as we watch, safeties want to watch for people that
Speaker 1: fall too right exactly who gets pushed onto day two
Speaker 1: of the draft? Someone that uh, you know, a Montest
Speaker 1: sweat is someone that's been in the news this week
Speaker 1: because of the heart condition. Yeah, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: fallen that far. No, I don't think so either the
Speaker 1: teams that we've talked to. It's it's a concern, but
Speaker 1: not something that should be a free fall. It's not
Speaker 1: a more res first situation. Okay, Yeah, and what about like, okay,
Speaker 1: people have all I've asked me about Jeffrey Simmons from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State as being another guy who had to do
Speaker 1: with off the field stuff and then dealing with a
Speaker 1: knee injury. Is there a possibility of him sliding from
Speaker 1: say the middle of the draft all the way back
Speaker 1: to the back end of the second round, back end
Speaker 1: of the second that's just hard to see. He's too good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's way too good. Now could he slip to the
Speaker 1: second round? It's possible because we're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that basically has to take a red shirt year and listen,
Speaker 1: day in this day in age Acls. You feel good
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to come back, but still, everybody's
Speaker 1: knees different. You just never know. So it's a big
Speaker 1: risk to take in the first round one that I
Speaker 1: bet you know, team like mebe the Patriots could go
Speaker 1: after let me ask you this, and like we always
Speaker 1: talk about this, Brian, you love to talk about like
Speaker 1: the start of day two, you know, the first pick,
Speaker 1: the value for the first pick on Day three, the
Speaker 1: first pick of that fourth round. So when we're closing
Speaker 1: this thing down on Thursday night, how many names and
Speaker 1: they're still gonna have to wait a while on Friday
Speaker 1: because they don't pick till fifty eight. But how many
Speaker 1: names do you think we're gonna be really excited about
Speaker 1: that they're still there, Like as you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: Simon slips or you know, anything like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Taylor Rap maybe falls out of the first round because
Speaker 1: of his slow forty time. I just wonder. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a good bet most of these guys were
Speaker 1: talking about are still going to be in play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that obviously we'll get more exciting as the
Speaker 1: second round and talking to people with the organization, they're
Speaker 1: hopeful that they have a top forty player that somehow
Speaker 1: gets to them. That's where it happens every single they're
Speaker 1: they're hopeful that when they when they when their turn
Speaker 1: to pick at fifty eight, that whether that player is
Speaker 1: an injury guy. You know Thompson the safety from Alabama
Speaker 1: as an example of a guy that has the injured wrist.
Speaker 1: But he was a guy when we started this process
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden he was a first round
Speaker 1: guy and now nobody, nobody talks about him at all
Speaker 1: at all. So but you know, we and we haven't
Speaker 1: included him in the safety and have we not included
Speaker 1: him in the safety talk because he's similar to what
Speaker 1: they have with Xavier Woods. Is that is that why
Speaker 1: we don't focus on Thompson the safety from Alabama very much?
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. And listen,
Speaker 1: they have not shown any interest in Deontay Thompson at all,
Speaker 1: not at all it visits meetings, they have shown zero
Speaker 1: interest in Deontay Thompson. Could that be one big uh,
Speaker 1: you know, way to hide? Would you want to do? Sure?
Speaker 1: But it's a long shot. I don't think Deontay Thompson
Speaker 1: is in the plans for this team. But we'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see what safeties fall or how many safeties
Speaker 1: go in the first round. Uh, maybe in the siratterlie,
Speaker 1: maybe a thornhill. I think Darnell Savage has gotten a
Speaker 1: lot of run lately. Is it possible? The answer is none,
Speaker 1: It is possible. That's the answer that I want. I
Speaker 1: think it's possible. Likely, probably not. You know with the
Speaker 1: safety group is uh, it's a deep group, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't start to flex its muscles until the second round.
Speaker 1: If you had to guess, is I can't imagine it to
Speaker 1: to be more than two. That'd be surprising. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe one, maybe two? Right? Is there going to be
Speaker 1: a surprise though it's safety are we Are we going
Speaker 1: to feel like though that maybe Thornhill will go above
Speaker 1: a Taylor rout Is there going to be somebody that
Speaker 1: we've been ranking as that third or fourth guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna end up being the guy behind Adderley that we're
Speaker 1: add The reason we've been talking about Thornhill so much
Speaker 1: interchangeable productive, he tested off the charts. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a reason we've been talking about him, and because of
Speaker 1: those reasons, there's a good chance he could sneak into
Speaker 1: the top thirty two. And you mentioned this team could
Speaker 1: be looking at him as a corner kind of like
Speaker 1: the Byron Jones situation. Absolutely Seattle pick twenty one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there there's two hurdles that I think that he has
Speaker 1: to get by. I think he'd be a perfect fit
Speaker 1: for what they want to do. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs there at that twenty ninth pick now
Speaker 1: belonging to the Seattle Seahawks, I think that is a
Speaker 1: possible destination for him. Darnhill Savage from Maryland, who he's
Speaker 1: been getting up a lot of run lately in league circles.
Speaker 1: About a guy who teams really alike. He's undersized. So
Speaker 1: Thornhill or Adderlei or Savage as that potential guy both, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think both because they're they well, they're different skill sets.
Speaker 1: One thorn Hill is a little bigger than Savage, but
Speaker 1: Savage has been He's crushed the entire process, just like
Speaker 1: Thornhill Senior Bowl combine workouts and those things matter. Whereas
Speaker 1: we talked about Deontay Thompson not being able to work out,
Speaker 1: do a full workout, Um Taylor Rab running the four
Speaker 1: seven eighth, those things matter. Jonathan Abram some worries about
Speaker 1: maybe the shoulder or some missues going on there. Absolutely
Speaker 1: so because of these issues, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: first two Nasira Adderley, he hasn't been healthy. He ran
Speaker 1: a four six at his pro day, wasn't able to
Speaker 1: do a full workout because of his ankle. So all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we could be talking about one Thornhill
Speaker 1: and a guy like Savage as two of the first
Speaker 1: three safeties off the board. I'm gonna go out on
Speaker 1: a small limb. I mean, Dane just set it up
Speaker 1: so it's not a big limb. But the order that
Speaker 1: these safeties come off the board will be surprising for
Speaker 1: one reason or another. Yeah, you know, maybe maybe Savage
Speaker 1: is a first rounder. Yeah, that's maybe. Thornhill goes a
Speaker 1: lot higher. I've seen, you know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson flexes
Speaker 1: anywhere from like thirty two to sixty depending on who
Speaker 1: you're talking to. So I just it's gonna be that'll
Speaker 1: be an intriguing thing to watch as this unfold. You
Speaker 1: can say the same thing about the corners too. You know,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be the first corner off the board? Will
Speaker 1: it be Greedy Williams, will be Byron Murphy, Rocky a
Speaker 1: Sin from Temple could absolutely be him. And what order
Speaker 1: they come off any in the top twenty five. It
Speaker 1: really will be fascinating these DB's as a whole to
Speaker 1: see how many go in the first round and what
Speaker 1: order and then who's left and when we start the
Speaker 1: second round. Yeah, and so okay, with with all that
Speaker 1: being said, let's get this draft story now, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna take out of play the first round, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: first forty picks would take the first forty picks off
Speaker 1: the board, right right, So no need to go into
Speaker 1: that kind of have an idea of well when and
Speaker 1: we'll pick it up and say pick forty one and
Speaker 1: then work our way down through this Cowboys seven round
Speaker 1: mock trap. Sounds good? Okay. So for this purpose is
Speaker 1: if you like bigger names off the board, maybe that
Speaker 1: we would consider falling to fifty eight. Okay, LJ. Colliers
Speaker 1: off the board. He went thirty five to the Raiders. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we lose a defensive end there. Yeah, the safeties
Speaker 1: that we were just talking about, na see her add
Speaker 1: Early and Jonathan Abraham both off the board. Okay, so
Speaker 1: far top forty safeties. Okay, who else we've been talking
Speaker 1: about it as possibilities. Jeffrey Simmons has gone thirty two
Speaker 1: to the Patriots. Um so starting at forty one, that's
Speaker 1: where Darnell Savage goes. So another safety off the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so okay, let's let's okay re read. Okay, sound
Speaker 1: like to me, you've already said, what three safeties off
Speaker 1: the board? First safety off the board? Right? But none
Speaker 1: of the ones that like devastate me, you know, because
Speaker 1: I gave up on those dreams a long time ago.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Okay, but does that make us
Speaker 1: think about now maybe having to trade up in this
Speaker 1: thing at these things. That's what I'm saying, because nobody
Speaker 1: that I expected to like this is all quilling according
Speaker 1: to plan so far? Okay, Like, didn't we give up
Speaker 1: on Abraham a while ago? I think? So, yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: well okay, let's look at that scenario. What would it
Speaker 1: take to get up to pick forty two? I think
Speaker 1: what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna get
Speaker 1: that third round pick to get to forty five. The
Speaker 1: numbers are gonna be your Your pick is worth your
Speaker 1: pick there at what I give it to. One thirty
Speaker 1: seven is worth one hundred and fifty points, So to
Speaker 1: get to forty five, it's one hundred and twenty points.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna have to probably overpay a little bit,
Speaker 1: but that's that third round pick will get you to
Speaker 1: where you need to go. Is that something you want
Speaker 1: to talk about? Is that something we want to discuss
Speaker 1: as a realistic possibility, giving up that third coming away
Speaker 1: with the safety that we want. Okay, now we have
Speaker 1: to think. We have to think about though, what we're
Speaker 1: giving if we're gonna move, if we're gonna make this move,
Speaker 1: we have to think about what are the possibility that
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose in the third round there, if you
Speaker 1: know what are we gonna lose? Are we looking at
Speaker 1: you know? If we're gonna go for it? Now? Dane
Speaker 1: always told me, and he's absolutely right about this. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna go you're going for a player. Ye You're
Speaker 1: not going for a position. You're going for a player.
Speaker 1: And he's absolutely right about that. So we have to
Speaker 1: determine though, if we're going to get a player or
Speaker 1: if we just sit. Does it mean more to us
Speaker 1: just to sit and be able to get a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: get a running back, get a possible defensive end, get
Speaker 1: a corner there, wide receiver. I mean, there's we're limiting
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we can do if we
Speaker 1: decide to go up. Doesn't doesn't this team need bodies
Speaker 1: like you look at all the contracts that are going
Speaker 1: to expire soon, and the Cowboys will absolutely Cowboys will
Speaker 1: resign some of them. Amari Cooper will be here, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott will be here. But that's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys with expiring contracts, so you're getting rid of
Speaker 1: a premium. Pick a guy you expect to be a
Speaker 1: major contributor and let me frame it this way. Last year,
Speaker 1: picking middle of the second round, middle of the third
Speaker 1: round instead of coming away with Connor Williams and Michael Gallup, right,
Speaker 1: would you rather have those two players or maybe a
Speaker 1: trader for Courtland Sutton? Because that's this is what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, coming away with one player or two players? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and actuality, you're getting two starters now because
Speaker 1: if you look at with, you know, with with with
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, you know he's likely to be starting the
Speaker 1: opposite right of Cooper and then you've got you know,
Speaker 1: the left guard exactly. So, and that's the scenario. You
Speaker 1: maybe you're getting a little bit better wide receiver in
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton, right, but you're losing a starter on your
Speaker 1: offensive line. So, and that's what we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: because you're giving up that third round pick. Would you
Speaker 1: expect to be, if not a starter, a big time
Speaker 1: contributor to your football team? And you have to give
Speaker 1: that up to go up and get jember player you
Speaker 1: want to get. You don't have any d tackles under
Speaker 1: contract in twenty twenty. And that's what are you're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying unless there's something crazy going on like you know,
Speaker 1: if if if if Simmons is plumbing down the board,
Speaker 1: if it's you know, this crazy talent. Okay, yeah, well
Speaker 1: he was going he was right, I mean, no disrespect,
Speaker 1: no shade intended to wand Thornhill. But is he that
Speaker 1: you see that guy, see the one guy that I
Speaker 1: would consider trading up for. And this is gonna sound
Speaker 1: crazy because everybody's really calling him just a box safety
Speaker 1: is rap. Yeah, that's the one guy, and maybe he's
Speaker 1: the one guy that should be sliding because he's still here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, if with him still being on the
Speaker 1: board and I and we're now at forty two, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit. I'm gonna sit right now and see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna entertain this. This thing gets down to
Speaker 1: eight picks, eight more picks, I'm doing this if it's
Speaker 1: in a range where I only have to give up
Speaker 1: a fourth. I don't want to give up a third.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's how I feel. Okay, so we'd have to
Speaker 1: go up. Okay, Okay, I'm with you. Let's go. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sit right now as we speak, We're gonna sit,
Speaker 1: yeah and watch the fifty and eight picks to get
Speaker 1: to us. Okay, this is gonna be tough. I need
Speaker 1: a turkey sandwich in a Miller light right now. So
Speaker 1: we help you out with one of those. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't want to check exactly. Uh, Mac Wilson's off the board.
Speaker 1: Justin Lane's off the board. Dalan Reisener's off the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's focus. So we just lost here, linebacker from Alabama,
Speaker 1: linebacker from Alabama, juststin laying the corner from the corner state. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're still okay, We're still okay. And then we lost Reisener,
Speaker 1: the tackle guards center from Kansas State, first of all
Speaker 1: player like that, Okay, at forty five, Atlanta, it's one
Speaker 1: of our safeties. Gardner Johnson's off the board. Okay, So
Speaker 1: Atlanta taken one of our safeties. Okay, Now let's reset
Speaker 1: and think about what safeties we still have on the board.
Speaker 1: Safeties that are still available. Taylor Raphill, we just talked
Speaker 1: about his possibility around one. Yeah, he's still still here
Speaker 1: in this scenario exactly. Yeah, I got you. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we're good. We're in good shape right now. We're still
Speaker 1: got thirteen picks to us, right, that's right. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's keep going. Okay. DeAndre Bakers off the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's onner from Georgia. A Keen Butler watership Iowa State. Okay, Carolina, Okay.
Speaker 1: Sean Bunting corner from Central Chigan, a really good player.
Speaker 1: That's kind of right. Risen up the boards here, I
Speaker 1: mean the word fifth and sticky, Yeah, sticky player and
Speaker 1: yeah color yeah, covering clawber I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh Browns of forty nine take Taylor rap Ah, there's
Speaker 1: one of you guys. Okay, so now we're down to
Speaker 1: one safety. Okay, let's just to play. You know, you
Speaker 1: want to consider all the options. So forty nine, that's
Speaker 1: a trade of nine spots, right, how much does that cost?
Speaker 1: It's gonna cost us one of our four? It's gonna
Speaker 1: cost you think you could do that for a fourth round?
Speaker 1: Think we could do it for work? Were COMPENSI you
Speaker 1: have for our own four? Is what we'd have to do.
Speaker 1: You'd have to, assuming the Browns are dead set on
Speaker 1: rap You'd have to trade to forty eight, though, wouldn't you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So a jump of ten spots, you think pick one?
Speaker 1: Think before do that one twenty six gets ten spots.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know either. I think it
Speaker 1: would be I'm gonna try and offer it and see
Speaker 1: what happens. I think that's where I mean. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try and make that move to see if they might
Speaker 1: be a team that's interested in Baylin. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm the closer you get picking Miami Dolphins. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a new general manager there, Chris Greer collected picks
Speaker 1: stat team, there's there's piling team picks. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and offer Chris that and see if it works. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, though, we're still gonna have to give her three.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna. I don't think a four
Speaker 1: is enough a late four, because even even the Cowboys
Speaker 1: four is a late four. It's who did the Dolphins? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a late fourth over a cornerback that you had in
Speaker 1: your top forty. I don't know, man, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's claws. Okay, it's not gonna be.
Speaker 1: Say if they don't want to take that, then let's
Speaker 1: keep moving. Yeah, let's keep moving here. Then. I just
Speaker 1: don't want people to think we didn't fight for Taylor
Speaker 1: rap Ye, just trying to cover our bases Minnesota Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones fifty one. All right, that's where wan Thorn Hills
Speaker 1: coming off the board. So there's our safeties were wiped out.
Speaker 1: So we lost our safety at we were seven spots
Speaker 1: from us. Yes, we've determined that we didn't. We weren't.
Speaker 1: We weren't gonna move. I don't think one eight would
Speaker 1: be enough to move off seven in a second. So
Speaker 1: by me not giving enough, we lost an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go and get this guy. Yeah, that's that's the draft
Speaker 1: for you. Yep. Jerry didn't want to give up a
Speaker 1: third for Paxton. See I didn't. I didn't want I
Speaker 1: didn't want to give up the third either. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was thinking, Okay, maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: can work a deal where they want to bail. They
Speaker 1: just want picks, you know that kind of thing. Isn't
Speaker 1: that a pipe dream? You know it? We'll look what
Speaker 1: Dallas did that time when they dropped a gut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Travis fred they got they got worked on the deal.
Speaker 1: They had it. They should have given it. They should
Speaker 1: have got a second round pick, and only got was
Speaker 1: a third. Yeah, so sometimes you could get but then
Speaker 1: that was an eighteen player or an eighteen spot drop.
Speaker 1: All due respect to the organization, wouldn't most people agree
Speaker 1: that that like shouldn't happen. Yeah, it shouldn't happen. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't happen at all. So I can't count on that.
Speaker 1: Let me bring jeff Cavanaugh in from A one or
Speaker 1: five three the fan. Jeffrey, we sat here and determined
Speaker 1: that we we're just gonna sit this thing out. You
Speaker 1: guys lost all my guys, didn't You guys lost my guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe you didn't hear that they're picking six spots away
Speaker 1: from the end of the second round. Like I was
Speaker 1: over here trying to get my guys scream you want
Speaker 1: to get rid of the third round pick. No, we
Speaker 1: did the right thing. We're great. Okay, you think you
Speaker 1: think by just sitting there though you did the right thing.
Speaker 1: I should should should the Cowboys have offered the third
Speaker 1: round pick. Who was the last safety we lost? Thornhill?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. It's strange because I talked to Steven and
Speaker 1: he told me their number one thing in the safety
Speaker 1: is get the ball, and Thornhill is that guy. But
Speaker 1: I would rather go up for rap Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: feel like it fits better and I just have him
Speaker 1: grated better pay. Not the three, okay, not the three
Speaker 1: that We're just gonna wait and pick a guy. Don
Speaker 1: I now call him a coward? Or do I call
Speaker 1: myself a coward for not doing that? Everything in two
Speaker 1: good players. Everything's black and white with you, Like you
Speaker 1: can be unwilling to make the trade and not be
Speaker 1: a coward, you know, like that's no. I cost us
Speaker 1: an opportunity to maybe get a guy. Now you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get two guys. Okay, it's fine, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, it's gonna think so yeah, yeah, all
Speaker 1: right at safety now, yeah, but we're wiped out at safety,
Speaker 1: so it's not to reset the board. Okay, how many
Speaker 1: players did you watch Dame total? Yeah? God, I don't
Speaker 1: know a thousand. Surely there's a safety somewhere. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: we fist pumped about a sixth round safety two years
Speaker 1: ago starting for the Cowboys. Now, okay, true, Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're sitting at fifty one. We just lost Thornhill. I've
Speaker 1: thrown my pin for you know, half a dozen guy,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I've thrown my pin. So now let's sit
Speaker 1: and see where we get. Let's see what players are
Speaker 1: Bill will for us at fifty eight, start at fifty two?
Speaker 1: Please some players off the board. It's one of bitch,
Speaker 1: that's your guy right there. Okay, Now that that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Polite got to you right and all that he's a
Speaker 1: top fifteen talent, that's probably top fifteen tape, top fifteen tape. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Was that something that you guys would have hoped for
Speaker 1: with the cowboys? I mean, would you have hoped for
Speaker 1: I would have with the names that we're kicking around
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. I think he has considerably better tape
Speaker 1: than the ends that we're gonna kick around a fifty
Speaker 1: eight tape, there's no there's no question. But when you
Speaker 1: factor in everything else, that's where discussion gets a little muddy. Uh,
Speaker 1: guy that has been overweight? You can't trust him? Is
Speaker 1: he gonna sound like Dave? Wow? Thanks? Thanks man? As
Speaker 1: I take a poll on my miller, is he gonna
Speaker 1: put it all together and reach his potential? That's and
Speaker 1: that's why he's still availing. He fall outs out of
Speaker 1: the top fifty and he's still available here. Okay, sow
Speaker 1: at fifty three. Now go ahead, Uh see Elgin's Jenkins
Speaker 1: the center from Mississippi State. That's a great spot for him,
Speaker 1: by the way, if he doesn't go earlier than now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a steal at that point for the Texans.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Johnson a corner we've talked about, Okay, Chris Richard
Speaker 1: went and worked Isaiah Johnson out. It's early. You think
Speaker 1: it's early on him. No, he's going, He's going. That's early.
Speaker 1: If you're wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's let's why.
Speaker 1: Why is he early? Because his tape's not that good?
Speaker 1: What do you not like about his tape that he
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to play corner? You think it because
Speaker 1: of the positions. I mean that maybe some of his
Speaker 1: tackle attempts look like it's his first game. Oh, his
Speaker 1: tackling is driving, And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get the athleticism in the size and betton On,
Speaker 1: as Jerry would say, betton On, the come if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that in the second round, God, that's just
Speaker 1: that's early to me. I'm not saying it won't happen. Thanks,
Speaker 1: probably right, it probably will. I wouldn't want it to
Speaker 1: be my team. Okay, so we're at fifty four, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're six two and thirty three in jarms as
Speaker 1: a corner and you run four four zero, you're just
Speaker 1: you're gonna go high. Yes, that's kind of the rules. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Uh see IERF. Smith to the Patriots. Wow, oh you
Speaker 1: almost made it. Almost made it? Okay, Now let's ask
Speaker 1: about that real quick. Tight end is a position would
Speaker 1: you have considered with the safeties all being gone? Would
Speaker 1: you have considered a tight end at fifty eight? Or
Speaker 1: is that too rich for you? Guys? IRV Smith almost
Speaker 1: made it to you there, and that was to me
Speaker 1: a high second round kind of a guy. Right, all right,
Speaker 1: I know that drafts are about three years and not one,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to break that golden rule and say,
Speaker 1: what's the tight end doing on this team in twenty nineteen?
Speaker 1: Fair question? The thing that you you just don't trust
Speaker 1: the coaches. No, you don't trust the coaches to use
Speaker 1: the second round tight end. That's that's your issue. Right?
Speaker 1: Is he taking Jason Witten off the field? Probably not?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna know more about the ins and outs
Speaker 1: of the offense than the two guys that have been
Speaker 1: here longer? Than that. With this way, you don't get
Speaker 1: a draft to tight end at all with that attitude. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: selling Dad, what if Hawkinson makes Hawkinson makes it, and
Speaker 1: then we can talk, all right, Well, Smith, he's one
Speaker 1: of the youngest players in this draft. He didn't turned
Speaker 1: twenty one until like August. We drafted Jason Witten when
Speaker 1: he was twenty one years old. You know what I
Speaker 1: don't want to do in third round by the don't
Speaker 1: want to be sitting in the press box in Gillette
Speaker 1: Stadium in November writing a story about how IRV Smith
Speaker 1: is inactive because they don't have the spare him. Instead,
Speaker 1: instead he's going to the Patriots. You can be right
Speaker 1: about fine, are you writing about how he had two
Speaker 1: hundred yards? That's fine? But that just I know it
Speaker 1: goes against the cardinal rule of drafting. But just worry
Speaker 1: about that later when Jason Witten has retired, whether and
Speaker 1: Hale maybe he'll play another year, but like, just stop,
Speaker 1: just worry about that when the time. So if Jason
Speaker 1: Witten was not on this team, you would be if
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, yeah, he would be inclined to take Smith.
Speaker 1: I'd be thrilled to do so. Okay, because I would
Speaker 1: pencil him in. But they tell us that that he
Speaker 1: that Jason Witten is not going to be a roadblock
Speaker 1: to them drafting a tight end. So you don't believe
Speaker 1: them in that. No, they like their answer. I don't
Speaker 1: have it the quote written down verbatim, but like at
Speaker 1: their pre draft press conference, like they were kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten helped us alleviate some of that concern. Like
Speaker 1: they feel fine about that right now. And you know what,
Speaker 1: that's cool because next year Jarwin will still be here,
Speaker 1: Schultzi still be here. You could sign a free agent
Speaker 1: to be your band aid if you want to, and
Speaker 1: then you can use the first round pick on a
Speaker 1: tight end. That's that's what I want to do. Who
Speaker 1: were the next tight ends at I? Because that's what
Speaker 1: we want? Yeah, whoever? Whoever did I? And when we
Speaker 1: get now these two grab those guys. They have a
Speaker 1: good idea. Who about those tight ends? Okay, we're at
Speaker 1: fifty fifty seven Philadelphia to pick before Okay, the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles are on the client. This is always in. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: has had two picks, right. There's there's teams who had
Speaker 1: multiple picks in front of Dallas. The Houston Texans have
Speaker 1: multiple picks Philly, and Philly has multiple picks. Here at
Speaker 1: fifty seven, they're going Joe one, Williams corner another. Yea,
Speaker 1: they say, I just I don't want Brian to be happy.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. Okay, Yeah, Brian's just too obsessed
Speaker 1: with this guy. He went at fifty seven to Philadelphia
Speaker 1: one pick ahead. How is that? How is that? Because
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna fight for him at
Speaker 1: fifty eight when it got there, I was gonna ask,
Speaker 1: why are we not drafting him too? Honestly, I would
Speaker 1: I would do that for whatever it's w Would you
Speaker 1: be in for Williams at fifty eight? Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go to the other name. We're about to
Speaker 1: have a disc likely, I would say, no, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't I know the answer to this question. But you
Speaker 1: wanted that attorney. You wanted that long tall corner from Houston,
Speaker 1: who I didn't know. He didn't Okay, So you have
Speaker 1: something against the long tall corners. Uh. Not, necessarily, It
Speaker 1: depends on who they are. The long tall corner like
Speaker 1: over six four, how many of those are in the league?
Speaker 1: Getting good one not many sure is that it? And
Speaker 1: even he I think he was six zo two, like
Speaker 1: seven or something. He ran four or five five though
Speaker 1: the same as what Williams run. Would this be the
Speaker 1: first six four it's ever been good? I don't know
Speaker 1: if Browner was six four, but he was pretty You
Speaker 1: might have been six three Joe one six h three five,
Speaker 1: so he's pretty close. He just looks like a man
Speaker 1: out there playing. Saw that and then you say that,
Speaker 1: You say the Georgia game, and I'll go, okay, everybody's
Speaker 1: had one game with a The Georgia Game shows exactly
Speaker 1: why you like him, exactly why he should scare you
Speaker 1: because he got beat in that game. But there are
Speaker 1: also plays where he made some plays. So he's a
Speaker 1: guy that There's gonna be ups and downs. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a roller coaster with Joe one william Once a
Speaker 1: receiver gains a step, it's over, but he doesn't let
Speaker 1: you get off the line. If he if he wins
Speaker 1: in press and his jam technique is right, he will win.
Speaker 1: It's a big if. I think we have gone way
Speaker 1: too far with corners. We think corners got to be
Speaker 1: six foot three, while we now have receivers that are
Speaker 1: now six foot they're not six four anymore. We're done
Speaker 1: chasing after every six foot four receiver. We're not draft
Speaker 1: all the separators, but our corners are going to be
Speaker 1: out here to fight Plexico Buris. Yeah, yeah, thanks. It's
Speaker 1: usually how the NFL works. The offenses do something, the
Speaker 1: defense is trying to catch up, and a lot of defense.
Speaker 1: Let's see if your mind changes now with the guys
Speaker 1: that we're going to have on our board, because we're
Speaker 1: on the clock now right, we're on the clock, us
Speaker 1: bunting make it no, no, he way gone early. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really here at fifty eight, and we're taking into consideration
Speaker 1: who the cowboys who they like realistic possibilities here, it's
Speaker 1: looking like two players really ending out. Tristan Hill, defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from UCF N Ferguson are stiff pass rusher from
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech. Okay, pass who's calling to somebody? Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta stand in there and make a pick. We gotta
Speaker 1: call somebody. No, we gotta stand in there and make
Speaker 1: a pick. Oh, it's so rich for both of them. See,
Speaker 1: this is what happens. Though. We were talking about moving Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we're we were we were dying because we
Speaker 1: didn't want to give up a third round pick me.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, now this is what
Speaker 1: you're you're you're looking at. I know, I know a
Speaker 1: name that visited the Cowboys that hasn't been drafted. Please
Speaker 1: save me Debo. Oh it's Debo available, tebos available. I
Speaker 1: would run it available, I'd run it in. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys would. I am the king of the
Speaker 1: drum beaters for Debo. That's why I brought it up.
Speaker 1: But I just think you're crazy to intentionally leave the
Speaker 1: best player on your board. And maybe he's not for them,
Speaker 1: but for me. That wouldn't be close between those three.
Speaker 1: But when I pull them Okay, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: them though, that's we're talking about this. So this mock draft,
Speaker 1: I don't have to actually put my name on it
Speaker 1: like Jeff did this. It's this what the Cowboys would do.
Speaker 1: This is what this is what this is. Okay, we
Speaker 1: just got wiped out. We just got wiped out. I'm celebrating.
Speaker 1: I got Debot. I had the best raft. Okay, you
Speaker 1: were going into this DRAFTS fifty eight all the way
Speaker 1: thinking about Debo. I'm dreaming of him absolutely deaf for
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Is embarrassing it well, good route running, tough,
Speaker 1: surehanded wide receivers. Yes, watch Baker up. Yeah, it's yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I I would love it. I don't
Speaker 1: I really. I'll be showing they're not taking a wide
Speaker 1: receiver at fifty eight, I'll be shocked if it's anything
Speaker 1: other than a defender. They're holding out hope for a
Speaker 1: safety and they will settle for a defensive line. Okay,
Speaker 1: that can break again if you want. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: get yeah, I mean you get steal it if you
Speaker 1: want to. For bringing a reason to the table. But okay,
Speaker 1: so we're we're not going to take a wide receiver
Speaker 1: because our three starters, we feel like, are pretty intrenched.
Speaker 1: But we will take like I think where this is
Speaker 1: gonna leads to us taking Jay when Ferguson to go
Speaker 1: back up DeMarcus Lawrence and Robert Quinn. We're gonna intentionally
Speaker 1: take an inferior player so that he can take twenty
Speaker 1: percent of the steps. What's wrong with what's wrong with Hills?
Speaker 1: Gonna say, Triston Hill, He's right there? Do you trust
Speaker 1: you trust Collins? No? Okay, you ask me right now,
Speaker 1: who the pick will be for the Cowboys in you know,
Speaker 1: seventy two hours. I think it'll be Tristan Hill. I
Speaker 1: think he is the most real. Wasn't hated at least
Speaker 1: I'm the second round. He's a good player. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: hate it, No, I would hate leaving a better player
Speaker 1: on the board. Like for me, Triston Hill would probably
Speaker 1: be a top sixty five player and Deebo Samuel will
Speaker 1: be a top thirty five player. Okay, so to me,
Speaker 1: that's a terrible pick, but that's my ranking of players
Speaker 1: right leaving future offensive rookie of the you're Ebo Samuel
Speaker 1: out of it. Let's okay, let's if we're going to
Speaker 1: assume that Ferguson and Hill are two realistic options, who
Speaker 1: will be there? Break that? Break that choice down for me,
Speaker 1: like I got I got one Ferguson at sixty six
Speaker 1: on my board, a top one hundred. Honestly, you got him,
Speaker 1: you got him stack, I got him touch. I mean,
Speaker 1: so forget how you got him graded. But at fifty
Speaker 1: eight you should have ten twelve better players. Tell me
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do? Oh, I mean, I yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about what they I mean, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about what they would do, you know, and they'll tell
Speaker 1: us on They'll tell us on Friday Night that they
Speaker 1: had Ferguson ranked thirty fifth. So I don't even worry
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, tell me what they would do for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? What What would Jayleen Ferguson do? What would
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill? Do? You got that one, scout? Jayleen Ferguson's
Speaker 1: gonna be competing against Dorn's Armstrong, Taco Charlton, and Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford to just get on the field right as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and Triston Hill will rotate with Mollie Collins at the three.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me Triston Hill has a bigger chance
Speaker 1: to make an impact right away. That's right, I think.
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, even though he's a young player
Speaker 1: who didn't start last year because he buttered heads with
Speaker 1: the coaches. That's why you bring in a guy like
Speaker 1: this here and there here and talk about alcohol there
Speaker 1: and two stuff like that. There's a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about just being a young guy. Sounds like me and
Speaker 1: Alan high school in two thousand and two. Sounds like
Speaker 1: right now, sitting on this set, problem with coaches anymore.
Speaker 1: He's he's a young guy who just he's got some
Speaker 1: immature tendencies and everything that comes with that, you know,
Speaker 1: on and off the field. And so how does that
Speaker 1: play in this locker room? You know? Is that something
Speaker 1: you have to worry about? Is is this locker rooms
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff set up that you can take
Speaker 1: a guy like that under your wing and who will
Speaker 1: perform for you? I think it is in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. Um, Tristan Hill for me is my ninety
Speaker 1: first player. Not as high as others, yeah, but so
Speaker 1: much with his next level projection is potential because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of flash on his tape, the effort outstanding.
Speaker 1: The guy's got a great motor consistency up and down again.
Speaker 1: A guy that A big part of why I have
Speaker 1: him ranked the way I do is he didn't start
Speaker 1: because he couldn't get along with the coaches. That that
Speaker 1: bothers me. So you you read flagged him more because
Speaker 1: the ranking because of the coaching or we're well, yeah,
Speaker 1: if I do, I could trust them one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: you know, be you talking about football character, he'd be
Speaker 1: high on my boy, He's not making me feel any better,
Speaker 1: is he well, no, you've lost all our guys and
Speaker 1: now you won't let me take the good one. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're in a weird spot here. If we draft Ferguson,
Speaker 1: could we move Tyrone Crawford back inside and maybe you
Speaker 1: address your defensive tackle problem that way? All right? Is
Speaker 1: he not good enough to be worth there's a better
Speaker 1: NFL three technique today, Tyrone Crawford or Tristan Hill. We've
Speaker 1: seen Crawford question. Because if the answer is Crawford, then
Speaker 1: the answer to his question is yes, we could totally
Speaker 1: do it if you're gonna bring in an end and
Speaker 1: then it's just which one's the better player because we
Speaker 1: can make it work either way. It's tough man, and
Speaker 1: that's like, maybe these aren't the two names, but this
Speaker 1: is the scenario that's going to face them. Is like
Speaker 1: making the best out of unideal circumstance. Did they have
Speaker 1: one of us in their dave? They do somebody in
Speaker 1: They're representing the crowd. As hard as you've been, as
Speaker 1: hard as you've been trying. They're not gonna let you
Speaker 1: no WI room. Well, not us us, but will someone
Speaker 1: in that room Brian fight for a receiver if he's
Speaker 1: the highest graded player. They're just not going to do it.
Speaker 1: I think it was a very possible scenario where on
Speaker 1: their board they've got those guys ranked similar talking about
Speaker 1: d both on some of the receivers, talking about the
Speaker 1: defensive linemen, we're talking about Jalen Fergus and Triston Hill,
Speaker 1: So they see those as equal. It's not one being
Speaker 1: clearly better than the others. They're equal. And for this team,
Speaker 1: they need defensive line more than they need receiver right now.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think they'd go with one of
Speaker 1: these two defensive linemen we're talking about over the receiver
Speaker 1: best available player with me, right right, Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: another good receiver, and I know you do, all right,
Speaker 1: What's what about the situation. I think they need to
Speaker 1: tackle more than they need the end because I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna leave Crawford a defensive end, and I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna ask I think they're gonna ask Armstrong to play.
Speaker 1: I think they want Tacco to try and develop, you know,
Speaker 1: so to me, I'm looking for a backup three technique
Speaker 1: under tackle. Turn in the card. Triston Hill. Triston Hill,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Central Florida, will be our pick there,
Speaker 1: Vinah is walking off the set. That's cool. I got
Speaker 1: a receiver for ninety. You have to prepare yourself for
Speaker 1: these types of situations. This is when you're picking fifty
Speaker 1: eighth in the draft. This is what you're looking at. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's reevaluate where we're at though. Should we have gone
Speaker 1: up should we have gone up here? Or do you
Speaker 1: feel good enough about the player? Let's wait till see
Speaker 1: then we'll have a better idea. Okay, Um, So, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get through the second round. Third round started the
Speaker 1: third round. Jay Sternberger's off the board. A Mony Hooker
Speaker 1: who's a safety that we safety from Iowa. We didn't
Speaker 1: really talk about really good players because this team hasn't
Speaker 1: shown any interest in a Mony hooker. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know he's a guy too that he could play that
Speaker 1: box safety though he could play down. He's physical, he
Speaker 1: tackles well. A Mony hooker. Absolutely, Ronell Rent off the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: the kind of the raw which defensive tackle from Arizona State.
Speaker 1: If we're great player all the way, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: make the case to draft Hill at fifty eight, like
Speaker 1: that's the type of guy you were hoping to be
Speaker 1: there at ninety if you didn't draft the defensive tackle, right,
Speaker 1: clearly that didn't happen, right, So, and this is where
Speaker 1: that third round, especially as we're gonn see some of
Speaker 1: these tight ends off the board. Dawson Knox Okay, off
Speaker 1: the board? Wait is real? Okay? How did you like
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox? I like his potential at fifty eight? No?
Speaker 1: Thank you? No, no, we're we're we're moving down. Okay,
Speaker 1: you didn't want drafting at fifty eight. We're moving down
Speaker 1: the board here. Yeah, even if he made it to ninety,
Speaker 1: I'd be hard pressed to think he would be my
Speaker 1: best player. Okay, I'd love him at ninety. I just
Speaker 1: think in that point. I think the Cowboys would love
Speaker 1: him at ninety. That's kind of where I've been thinking, right,
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, he's gone obviously here. So he literally has
Speaker 1: not caught a touchdown since his junior year of high
Speaker 1: school of high school? What yeah, what, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: dominate the league. He can run fast, Kittle right in
Speaker 1: our guy from Guy been on trades, been on trades. Okay.
Speaker 1: This is also where we see some running backs off
Speaker 1: the board. Miles Sanders, Damien Harris gone gone, David Montgomery gone. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we lost three running backs right there. David Montgomery,
Speaker 1: who the Cowboys are enamored with. Sanders is my second
Speaker 1: best running back, by the way, Penn State. One of
Speaker 1: your favorites linebacker Jermaine Pratt off the board. Pratt in
Speaker 1: North Carolina State. If you haven't had a chance to
Speaker 1: watch Pratt, watch him play. That guy's man. He is good.
Speaker 1: I like his toughness, like his body. He was a
Speaker 1: converted safety, if I'm not mistaken, safety until his junior
Speaker 1: years year and they moved him and they moved him
Speaker 1: inside and physical. Love everything about him. Andy Pounds good player,
Speaker 1: right um. A couple of receivers off the board here,
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, Riley Ridley. Another running back, Devin Singletary. Man. Okay, Singletary,
Speaker 1: can't say something real quick about him? Where were we?
Speaker 1: Where were we talking about Singletary before he had the
Speaker 1: terrible workout. I had him in the third round and
Speaker 1: I didn't move him, not one bit, because I do
Speaker 1: not care about running back workouts at all. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you didn't like the tape enough, you didn't think he
Speaker 1: was Probably I thought we maybe that brought us had
Speaker 1: him in the top forty back before the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought he was more like more like a potentially a
Speaker 1: second round type of Did you let the workout move him?
Speaker 1: You know what I did? Yeah? Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: had to. I mean to me, but that's one of
Speaker 1: those things here. I am fighting for holy Field. About that?
Speaker 1: Fighting for holy Field? You like, fighting for Holyfield because
Speaker 1: of the tape is good? Yeah? Yeah? Like yeah, way
Speaker 1: to just completely expose yourself. No, No, I love the
Speaker 1: slowest running back in the world because of his tape,
Speaker 1: and you just felt like I felt like Holyfield was
Speaker 1: just a tougher back. I was willing to fight for
Speaker 1: a guy that was more of a complete player. That's
Speaker 1: why I mean, I'm okay. How about guys that could run, block, catch? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the thing with Singletary. You know, if you see
Speaker 1: the catch part, I mean, the block part's not very good.
Speaker 1: I think running back is the most trust the tape
Speaker 1: position in football. It is I can burn the workout,
Speaker 1: don't care. I've seen him run if you have. If
Speaker 1: you have an average workout, I'm okay with that as
Speaker 1: running back. If you have a below average workout, that's
Speaker 1: where I start to care if you running back and
Speaker 1: it's not just a forty the four to six six
Speaker 1: stands out, but seven three, two three cone, the four
Speaker 1: four or short shuttle. Those things bother me. And not
Speaker 1: enough where you're gonna fallow on my top one hundred,
Speaker 1: but enough that you know Darryl Henderson's ahead of him,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, making sure some of these other
Speaker 1: running backs that I feel better about or ahead of
Speaker 1: him in the rankings. Okay, uh so we lost him here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have David long Corner from Michigan off the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: what pick are we at right now? Eighty seven? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're eighty seven. We're creeping up here. We're creeping up.
Speaker 1: We're at ninety. We're not trading. Uh, we're not giving
Speaker 1: up picks to move two spots in the lake. You
Speaker 1: just gonna sit in and let this thing go right,
Speaker 1: all right, we're going let's go eighty eight. Michael Dieter
Speaker 1: offensive Lineman, Wisconsin. Kind of an indifferent guy, you know
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, kind of like you want
Speaker 1: to like him, but you don't. Jeez. Yeah, basically, can
Speaker 1: you get away he's indifferent or you're indifferent to him.
Speaker 1: I'm indifferent to him. Okay, Never, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can say about a player is
Speaker 1: that he's indifferent. No, there's a there's a worst word
Speaker 1: you can use them. That's true. I don't say it
Speaker 1: on the air. I won't. All right, So the pick
Speaker 1: before the Cowboys at eighty nine, this hurts a little bit.
Speaker 1: Max Crosby, Eastern Michigan. Do you like Max Crosby better
Speaker 1: than Jalen Ferguson? Oh? Wo yeah, say it with your chest.
Speaker 1: Yet my dns are here to rush the passer. Did
Speaker 1: you kind of think he was all arms? Lad? Jalen
Speaker 1: has the most sax in college. I'm talking about Max
Speaker 1: Crosby because literally three cone, literally more sacks than anybody
Speaker 1: in NCAA history. I am enamored with the Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are too. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are too And I think ninety is
Speaker 1: where you would take a swing on it, because I
Speaker 1: think at that point you say, okay, so even if
Speaker 1: he's not a significant rotation player this year, if I
Speaker 1: have a year of working with an NFL team to
Speaker 1: get ready to play NFL football with that athleticism, in
Speaker 1: that build. I got something in five years. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised at all. If Max Crosby's a better player
Speaker 1: than Jalen Ferguson, that shouldn't surprise anybody. We're six weeks.
Speaker 1: In five years, he'll be on his second contract. So
Speaker 1: we'll be talking you. I'll be at the lake. You
Speaker 1: guys can talk about all that you keep saying, yell
Speaker 1: and boiling crawfish. But think about this. In five years,
Speaker 1: he's walking away after his first contract. You're getting back
Speaker 1: a third round cop pick. There you go, he signed
Speaker 1: h that's the way to do it. Okay, So we
Speaker 1: lose Crosby. The Cowboys liked him. That could have been
Speaker 1: a consideration. Now Dallas is on the clock. At Dallas,
Speaker 1: what do we got? Okay? And this it's looking like
Speaker 1: a lot of offensive players here, uh lining up on
Speaker 1: this board. Top players that this team has shown interest in.
Speaker 1: Treveon Williams crying back from Texas and m Yes McCole hardman,
Speaker 1: wide receiver from Georgia. Hey we're doing uh kal A
Speaker 1: wearing tight end San Diego State. That's good too. Uh
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson defensive end Iowa. Yeah, still there Jeff's happy
Speaker 1: this time. Let's see if they're spaking a better player
Speaker 1: at ninety This is great, So you do well, it
Speaker 1: will stop you. Do you feel better? Are about this
Speaker 1: list of guys? Did you do? Didn't you do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: In what? In what way? I think McCole Hardman impacts
Speaker 1: your team immediately? Wide receiver, a little short guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he returns kickoffs and punts for you immediately
Speaker 1: and when you want to put him on the field
Speaker 1: in the slot. Sure, he's not going to be a
Speaker 1: polished route runner yet, but teams are gonna know he's
Speaker 1: out there. They're gonna account for him, or he's gonna
Speaker 1: be running real far, real fast. You just described Tavon Austin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I described one that's real cheap for the next
Speaker 1: four years. Will he ever be better than what Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin is right now? Yeah? I would bet on that.
Speaker 1: Do you do you use Dave's tied end theory? Will
Speaker 1: they use him the right way? Um? I hate to
Speaker 1: see according to that though. You no, No, But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you're not running the team here. That's the
Speaker 1: problem here. I am too, Anthony Brown, Michael Gallup, he
Speaker 1: did fight for those guys. I I just I have
Speaker 1: to think about the construct of what is actually gonna
Speaker 1: happen when I think about these Okay, so, is Helen
Speaker 1: Moore going to have a big piece of control of
Speaker 1: the offense or know who the hell knows? I think
Speaker 1: if the answers, yes, I think he is. I think
Speaker 1: Killen Moore is gonna have a big stick in this offense.
Speaker 1: I really, I hope you're right. I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we get really Garrett Troll's last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's Garrett wants to step in there and
Speaker 1: control the offense and what you might if it's your
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah. I hate the word unpolished like I
Speaker 1: hate it. I hate I hate using a premium pick
Speaker 1: on a guy that you gotta teach. We're in the
Speaker 1: third round at the end of it, Dave pick ninety
Speaker 1: is that premium pick. Top one hundred picks are supposed
Speaker 1: to be immediate serious contributors, right, made me have to
Speaker 1: do it. It's McCole Hardman. Is mcole Hardman going to like,
Speaker 1: you're just drop dead shirt? He's gonna beat out basically
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin or any other receiver who's been here for
Speaker 1: three years. Yeah, because that's how draft picks work. They
Speaker 1: get to win the camp battle, whether they win it
Speaker 1: or not. Like what were the other names? Kle Warring?
Speaker 1: I love him, but that's developmental. What's he gonna do?
Speaker 1: He's gonna watch people play football. He scares the hell
Speaker 1: out of me. Anthony Nelson, Anthony Nelson, what's he gonna do? Us?
Speaker 1: I think they're all good players. The Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: good team. There's not a bunch of spots available for
Speaker 1: the guy who's picked ninetieth to come play a bunch
Speaker 1: of snaps. Okay, good, didn't you didn't you set you
Speaker 1: set me up for my logic for this? Then? Okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: say the next name? Uh? What's the next name? The
Speaker 1: first one you said? Tray Van Williams. Tray Beyond Williams
Speaker 1: running back, running backs or later they're running backs? Not
Speaker 1: when you only have one on your roster, they're not.
Speaker 1: We'll find another one where we got more picks. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'll take the Notre Dame kid later, Dexter Williams. See, yeah,
Speaker 1: he likes, he likes he's been cheerleading for that guy.
Speaker 1: I like him. I like him too, just tape. He's
Speaker 1: a solid fourth runner for me. Yeah, we'll fill running
Speaker 1: back later. It's not a problem. They're looking for a
Speaker 1: guy who can do everything right off the bat, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: third down back, a third down back who could be
Speaker 1: a everything back if he was called upon any down back.
Speaker 1: They sound kind of scared about not having Zeke in
Speaker 1: the lineup, didn't you kind of? Don't you kind of
Speaker 1: get that impression? Oh no, I got that impression a lot.
Speaker 1: Not that, and like I got the impression they like
Speaker 1: Williams and Montgomery, and Montgomery's already gone. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: if they had to pick a guy, he's pretty polished, right,
Speaker 1: isn't he. Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he led the SEC
Speaker 1: in rushing last year. Um, I mean he LSU defense,
Speaker 1: the NC State defense that could do nothing against him.
Speaker 1: You're picking at ninety, you're picking how many spots away
Speaker 1: from them. Let me sit next to Jerry. I'll get
Speaker 1: McCole Harman picked. That's a sexy pick. I would I
Speaker 1: give me Williams over Hardman if that's the choice, and
Speaker 1: I would consider I would consider wearing over even Hardman,
Speaker 1: the San Diego State kid. Can we agree that I've
Speaker 1: got all his third rounders, but I would go Hardman.
Speaker 1: Can we agree that in a perfect world, neither of
Speaker 1: these guys is gonna do a ton in their rookie See, yeah,
Speaker 1: a perfect world, Trayvind Williams doesn't do much at all, exactly,
Speaker 1: but it'd be great. But yeah, but it's easier to
Speaker 1: put a rookie running back into these schemes and have
Speaker 1: them have production. Well, you, thank you answered what I
Speaker 1: was trying to set up, which is that Trevion Williams.
Speaker 1: I look at him as a plug and play. I
Speaker 1: do absolutely too, Nicole Hardman. I look at as a
Speaker 1: project and a guy. And again, I know you want to.
Speaker 1: You can't disassociate this. The coaches will trust Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: more than they trust this third round rookie. Then why
Speaker 1: did they bring in the Tavon clone If we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to ninety and he's not in consideration? They brought
Speaker 1: in Devo Williams too, and we passed Samuel Devo Williams.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Deebo Samuel. They due diligence, I mean, and honestly,
Speaker 1: they did a lot of due diligence on receivers. They
Speaker 1: did not well, they do due diligence on everybody. Well, no,
Speaker 1: but like the thirty list, how many receivers were on
Speaker 1: There was like four or yeah, I think so, and
Speaker 1: two running backs. Yeah, they're doing due diligence. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Hardman was the pick, just
Speaker 1: based on everything we know. I think Trevion Williams does
Speaker 1: more for your team and in the future. I honestly,
Speaker 1: I think enough of Trevion Williams that he's a bargaining
Speaker 1: chip in this contract negotiation with Zeke. Elliott too brought
Speaker 1: in Samuel Hardman, John V. Johnson, h Emmanuel Halle where else.
Speaker 1: We got john By Johnson from Toledo and that's it.
Speaker 1: Let's take a vote. There's for him us here Harken okay,
Speaker 1: brought us Williams all day, Williams all day. I would
Speaker 1: have gone Anthony Nelson myself. Dan Dane hates the running
Speaker 1: back pick. No, I'm going we just didn't want to tie. No.
Speaker 1: Two years ago when uh they went corner corner second
Speaker 1: third round. Okay, I'm going defensive line, second third round.
Speaker 1: I'm getting Tristan Hill, going Anthony Nelson. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: my defensive lines looking stacked. Anthony Nelson's a good player.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. Absolutely. I can get a really
Speaker 1: good three cone too, didn't he especially from his height? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: seven flat, give or take. Yeah. I would be perfectly
Speaker 1: happy to draft him. I'll be okay with him. But
Speaker 1: Dragon Williams is the pick running back who comes in
Speaker 1: and is Zeke's backup from day one, which, yes, that's
Speaker 1: a rich pick, but it accomplishes, strictly speaking, your biggest
Speaker 1: need on the roster. I know, I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: because Zeke is so good, but you just you know,
Speaker 1: you're saying, we're playing a game tomorrow. What do we
Speaker 1: have to have? You need more running backs on your roster.
Speaker 1: And he's a guy like he could be a backup,
Speaker 1: he could be a third down back, he could carry
Speaker 1: the ball twenty times if Zeke is unavailable for whatever
Speaker 1: reason I think, I mean, and again, it's basically a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. That's how you have to view it.
Speaker 1: Gotcham perfectly fine with that, I am too. All right,
Speaker 1: let's reset here for a second. We are the Draft
Speaker 1: show is here at Shakerton's. We're always as always, presented
Speaker 1: by Miller Way We appreciate everybody it's here hanging out
Speaker 1: with us today and right now, what we're doing is
Speaker 1: we're going through the Cowboys the seven round mock draft.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get an idea of what players will
Speaker 1: be there and have a discussion. So when we get
Speaker 1: on the clock on really Friday and Saturday messing up.
Speaker 1: I keep saying Thursday unless he trades back, in which
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do. You never know, bro, I
Speaker 1: never know. I think about Thursday ratings, pretend they might
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. But yes, again, we're so happy that Miller
Speaker 1: lights along with us today and really happy that Shakerson
Speaker 1: stepped up as well. Okay, now we're moving this thing on.
Speaker 1: Now we're moving into the fourth round. We've got two picks, right,
Speaker 1: We've got two picks here. We got to think about, well, again,
Speaker 1: we didn't move either one of these picks because we're
Speaker 1: seeing who what players we feel like we have. They've
Speaker 1: put out earlier that there's need if you look into
Speaker 1: the future contracts that are coming up depth all those issues.
Speaker 1: So we've we've saved these two picks and now we
Speaker 1: need to find a way to make him. So let's
Speaker 1: go through it right now, Dane. These are gonna be
Speaker 1: picks four one twenty nine and four one thirty seven,
Speaker 1: so they're really right there behind each other. The one
Speaker 1: you're one up, it's eight to one thirties six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that what it is? Yes? I mean they're late
Speaker 1: day and they're late fourth round picks. Okay, my bad one, Okay,
Speaker 1: my bad one twenty eight, one thirty six, Okay, you
Speaker 1: got it. Go ahead. So this is where and we
Speaker 1: won't go through all the fourth round picks, but we
Speaker 1: talked about running back at ninety. If we don't go
Speaker 1: running back at ninety, that's a direction we go on
Speaker 1: Day three. Here in the fourth round, two picks before
Speaker 1: one twenty eight off the board, rich Well Armstead and
Speaker 1: Dexter Williams uh did not make it to one twenty eight. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we lost your guy, Dexter Williams. It's clearly a
Speaker 1: fantasy land. He was gonna make it till we picked
Speaker 1: it back, and he wanted to prove a point o kiddy, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dane can manipulate boards, but I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you manipulated it that they're going by guy on
Speaker 1: purpose jerk one twenty eight, and again, this is what
Speaker 1: we think they are gonna do. Realistic, realistically speaking, one
Speaker 1: twenty eight comes up. We've gone what we've gone defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: a three technique, we've gone running back here in one
Speaker 1: twenty eight. So we're looking at what we're looking at. Corner, corner,
Speaker 1: we're looking at safety, We're looking at possibly receiver, offensive line, depth, linebacker.
Speaker 1: We're pretty open. Yeah, yeah at this point, are you're
Speaker 1: gonna find a safety that you have any faith? Is
Speaker 1: an upgrade from the Jeff Heath George I Loca Camp battle. Well,
Speaker 1: because you'd like to if you could, well, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you definitely like to. But with most of these guys
Speaker 1: off the board, with my top ten safeties are off
Speaker 1: the board, first six safeties were offed or yeah, first
Speaker 1: six safeties were off the board in the second round,
Speaker 1: and then we lost the money Hooker, we lost Mike Edwards,
Speaker 1: we lost malt Gant. So here we go outside the
Speaker 1: top ten safeties in the draft. The one guy that
Speaker 1: stands out as Ghari willis for Michigan State who they
Speaker 1: brought in, and I worry about his range. I worry
Speaker 1: about him holding up if you ask him to cover
Speaker 1: but again, this team brought him in. This team wants
Speaker 1: more of that box safety. A guy is gonna come
Speaker 1: down and hit you. He has that, he has the
Speaker 1: intangibles that fits perfectly with what they want. Ghari Willis
Speaker 1: from Michigan State is interesting name here, Jeff, Do you
Speaker 1: like Willis at this spot at four when we say four? Don't?
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I don't think he's better than
Speaker 1: either one of what you have? Okay, that does I
Speaker 1: mean based on everything I know that does sound a
Speaker 1: little bit rich, But again, I mean you have to
Speaker 1: consider the team's evaluations, trump ours right, and for what
Speaker 1: else is available on the board? Who I mean, who
Speaker 1: else is? Who else is available? Dan? If we want
Speaker 1: to go we haven't addressed defensive end. We could go
Speaker 1: John Komitski from Oh, Bounce House. Yeah, you're way too
Speaker 1: excited about a guy from Charles that was the Bounce House, right, Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: actually it's Alie Moore Pett from House Charleston built their
Speaker 1: neighbor there's in the neighborhood. There's more people listening to
Speaker 1: this show than have ever watched him play football. Okay,
Speaker 1: well those people think for Shawn Gary, he's gonna go
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen because he's so maybe not. This
Speaker 1: guy is the budget version. He's two eighty and he's
Speaker 1: a heck of an athlete. He is a heck of
Speaker 1: an and you see what you turn him into. Okay,
Speaker 1: take a shot. I've cast my vote. That's a at
Speaker 1: this point. Now, okay, we'll talk. Okay, we'll then describe
Speaker 1: give me, give me the thumbnail on Kamensky. Then Kimiski's
Speaker 1: a high school quarterback who you know, he knew he
Speaker 1: was not going to be a quarterback in college. He's
Speaker 1: kind of the best athlete out there. And he was
Speaker 1: a big guy, only two hundred and ten pounds when
Speaker 1: he went to Charleston on a partial scholarship Division two.
Speaker 1: They moved into defensive end and he kind of blossomed.
Speaker 1: He's up to two eighty six, a guy who is
Speaker 1: a terrific athlete at two eighty six, four six nine
Speaker 1: in the forty one six seven ten yards split seven
Speaker 1: oh three three cones, terrific for him. So this is
Speaker 1: a guy that's talking about the traits uh six five,
Speaker 1: two eighty six, thirty three and a half inch arms,
Speaker 1: flashes violence in his hands, competes the tape wasn't really strong,
Speaker 1: but it was. You know, when you watch a guy
Speaker 1: in Division two, you expect to just dominate the competition.
Speaker 1: I don't think we saw that. But again, when you
Speaker 1: factor in the traits and what you can try to
Speaker 1: mold someone into, that's what you get with Commenska. Really
Speaker 1: balanced athlete can help you as a rundefender. It's getting
Speaker 1: need some time as a pass rusher. But for this team,
Speaker 1: the fourth round, the late fourth round, I think that's
Speaker 1: what you're buying. What is going on with this team
Speaker 1: this Since Will McClay took over the Cowboys draft, they
Speaker 1: have been the king of the big school prospect and
Speaker 1: true the pass rushers that they are enamored with in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen went to Louisiana Tech, Eastern Michigan, Central Florida,
Speaker 1: and Charleston. Probably because of where you're picking. If you
Speaker 1: wanted to have a guy who has good production, good measurables,
Speaker 1: and played at a big school, you don't get to
Speaker 1: have him at fifty eight most likely. That is a
Speaker 1: very good point. And even in that case, like maybe
Speaker 1: can I drop a world where chasing Winovich makes fifty
Speaker 1: eight sure possible? And I don't even know if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would pick him. A lot of people don't like
Speaker 1: Chase Winovich. I do. I know. I'm a big fan,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he makes fifty eight. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: think he goes well before that, right? I do? He
Speaker 1: could go easily. I mean he nothing nowhere in the
Speaker 1: second round or third round. Was surprised me with Chase
Speaker 1: Winovich because opinions are all over the map on him. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you know you love the effort that he gives.
Speaker 1: He says, okay, athlete, not a great athlete, not a
Speaker 1: bad athlete, but he's he's a good athlete. The some
Speaker 1: of the character stuff is a worry with him. He
Speaker 1: rubbed some people the wrong way, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna drop him. Not everyone's gonna like him
Speaker 1: because of that, But anywhere in the second and third round,
Speaker 1: because he plays the right position. Is it true he
Speaker 1: came back his senior year to Michigan to be a
Speaker 1: captain and beat Ohio State and all that, and none
Speaker 1: of that, None of that happened. It was not voted
Speaker 1: as senior captain. I've talked to former teammates who are
Speaker 1: not Chase Winovich fans. So, and that's something that scouts
Speaker 1: are well aware of and that plays in a war room.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're trying to stack your board and
Speaker 1: figure out to order, these guys are gonna come off
Speaker 1: the board. That's the kind of stuff that can win battles. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, anecdotes like that. Getting back to the matter
Speaker 1: at hand, I'm I'm curious. I'm curious about this, Okay,
Speaker 1: Cary willis Michigan State's safety. He doesn't improve your safety
Speaker 1: position like right away, Like he ain't. He's not starting
Speaker 1: over Iloka or Heath probably, but and like I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you want your picks to be home runs. But
Speaker 1: I'm again going back to just the nuts and bolts
Speaker 1: of roster building. Cavon Frazier's in a contract year, Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath is in a contract year. Like, do you draft
Speaker 1: this guy simply in the name of having a body
Speaker 1: and worry about the fact that he might not ever
Speaker 1: go to a Pro Bowl for you later or But
Speaker 1: at the same time, even though we went to a
Speaker 1: small school, if Kaminski's got these amazing traits that y'all
Speaker 1: are talking about, I love the idea of drafting a
Speaker 1: guy like that late in the fourth round, because I mean,
Speaker 1: what else are you looking at in that range? So
Speaker 1: I'm wondering Boomer bust player verse, a guy who could
Speaker 1: be your Cavon Frasier for the next four years, And like,
Speaker 1: don't kid yourself. Those players are important too. Cavon's had
Speaker 1: a role on this team every year of his career,
Speaker 1: and if you don't bring him back next year, you
Speaker 1: got to replace that production somewhere. Let's factor it like this.
Speaker 1: We have a pick here and eat picks in the
Speaker 1: fourth round, So sure take those are the two players
Speaker 1: are talking about, Khari Willis and John Kimiski. Let's take
Speaker 1: the player that we don't think is gonna make it
Speaker 1: to one thirty six. Would take him at one twenty
Speaker 1: eight and hope the other guy falls, so is Kaminski.
Speaker 1: You know, the the upside pick, the traits pick, is
Speaker 1: that the guy that we're thinking might not make it
Speaker 1: to one thirty six. Yeah, I think that to me,
Speaker 1: I have problems with Kimensky. I just didn't see a
Speaker 1: guy that dominate at that level. You know. I saw
Speaker 1: a guy that played tall and you know, yeah, you
Speaker 1: could play him. He's got the flexibility. You know, we
Speaker 1: I talked about and when with the first mock drafts
Speaker 1: we did for our magazine, I did. I picked Zach
Speaker 1: Allen because I felt like Zach Allen could play defensive
Speaker 1: end and he could play defensive tack. I feel like
Speaker 1: John Komiskey could probably do the same thing, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he could do it on the level that
Speaker 1: I want him to do that out right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: worry about again. I'm watching you know, there still a
Speaker 1: line from KT I'm watching a butcher block him, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, when I play in the IVY
Speaker 1: League gets a pharmacist and all that. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I mean, Shephard College or University in Finley, and these
Speaker 1: guys are blocking him, and I'm kind of like, man,
Speaker 1: why why why are everybody liking this guy so much?
Speaker 1: I would have a problem with this pick. I would
Speaker 1: have to go with the consensus of the room because
Speaker 1: I am not a fan of this guy. I Wis.
Speaker 1: I like Willis. I would if you gave me a
Speaker 1: choice between him and Willis, I'd take Willis. But I
Speaker 1: understand what you know, Jeff was. I mean, he's lost
Speaker 1: guys earlier. You know, we're we're kind of you know,
Speaker 1: talking about guys that that you know, we liked and
Speaker 1: we've taken, but this would be a guy that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be happy with. But if three scouts told me
Speaker 1: or the room told me, no, this guy's a player,
Speaker 1: I would allow that to happen. Okay, But going back
Speaker 1: to what I said about who's gonna make it the
Speaker 1: one thirty six? Do we this this this guy? We
Speaker 1: got him at one, twenty four, twenty eight. He is
Speaker 1: probably gonna go into third round. And this is this
Speaker 1: is and don't be surprised when you're watching the draft
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden and I'm like, okay, the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers are on the clock and three ninety five to
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, and we're all gonna look at each other
Speaker 1: and go, okay, just mark that on is moving on?
Speaker 1: You know, happen about I think the league sees this
Speaker 1: guy differently than me, and I think you guys might
Speaker 1: be right about the player, But man, I have a
Speaker 1: problem with a guy that doesn't dominate at that level.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, that is that is a big issue
Speaker 1: for me. And if we're gonna take that guy, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let I'm gonna let somebody else be the hero here, Jeff,
Speaker 1: We've been upsetting you all night. So what do you
Speaker 1: want to do? Take Charleston, there's commits, right, Okay, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if Willis makes the team. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: are you cutting cav On Frasier, Georgia A. Loca? You're
Speaker 1: not cutting Iloca unless you draft a guy like Thornhill.
Speaker 1: All the safety talk is really about cave On Frasier,
Speaker 1: by the way, guys, right exactly you think about it? No?
Speaker 1: For sure? Well, and but can't George Iloka take his spot?
Speaker 1: He might not purely from again, Georgia, I looka is
Speaker 1: not the most nimble guy you've ever seen. He could
Speaker 1: tackle all day. Also, carry Willis is the nimble guy.
Speaker 1: George Iloca is not playing. Carry Willis has got at
Speaker 1: least some range. I don't know if Georgia A. Looca
Speaker 1: has a lot of range range to do what like?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want him covering? He plays like as a
Speaker 1: free safety. I mean you see, yeah, he comes forward,
Speaker 1: all right. They brought him in. They brought him in.
Speaker 1: Let's not unurely the Boston college kid that they brought
Speaker 1: in the other Harris, Yeah, Will Harris, how'd you like
Speaker 1: Will Harris. You remember Will harder than Willis. Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: let's all just agree. If pick fifty eight isn't the safety,
Speaker 1: then the safety position is not going to significantly be better.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no reason to draft one then, right,
Speaker 1: is that what you're saying. No, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, give up on that dream. Like
Speaker 1: if they don't, if they don't get a Rap or
Speaker 1: an Abram or a thorn Hill, then it's probably not
Speaker 1: going to substantially improve this season. If I had to
Speaker 1: get hey, we need to trade up, then maybe should
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't have been a coward. We do need
Speaker 1: to go back and get brave. Yeah, I rewind this
Speaker 1: whole Now you have. Now you have Zeke's all around
Speaker 1: badass backup in his place. Yeah. I mean I cut
Speaker 1: you off earlier. But now that we know what ninety is,
Speaker 1: it's you know, are Tristan Hill and trey Vin Williams.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad draft one of these safeties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: would have I'd rather have Rap. I think I would too.
Speaker 1: But could sell Could I sell you? Okay? So can
Speaker 1: I sell you? Well? Again? All right? So you have
Speaker 1: Taylor rap and then or well, no, that Taylor rap
Speaker 1: and then Justice Hill or Dexter Williams. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: take Yeah, Yeah, rapping Dexter Williams makes me feel a
Speaker 1: lot better than what we ended up with. I could
Speaker 1: live with that. I could live with that. I feel fine.
Speaker 1: We're all anti trading now, we're all on that. It's
Speaker 1: because I don't like John Kimiski. That's why. No, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with what we've done. We all got guys we
Speaker 1: don't like. That's the way it's gonna go. We don't
Speaker 1: all get our guys. When you don't have a first
Speaker 1: round pick and you're picking at the end of the round,
Speaker 1: you're probably not going to be that thrilled unless something crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's six, Well who did we take on one twenty eight?
Speaker 1: John Kimsky? Yeah, all right, Well car Harry Willis is
Speaker 1: still there at one thirty six. So who else we got? Uh?
Speaker 1: Bobbio Karki the linebacker that's from Stanford. Yea Dylan Mitchell
Speaker 1: wide receiver from Oregon. Hey, oh that every wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He's lying. He's lit up about every wide receiver we've
Speaker 1: talked about. Yeah, I could I would have taken three.
Speaker 1: Are you buy that we'll be running six? Why why
Speaker 1: do you? Yeah, Like, why do you want a wide
Speaker 1: receiver so bad? Uh? Because they're good? Randall CoP's gonna
Speaker 1: be here for one year. Then I want Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1: I'm about to pay the quarterback thirty million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: and I need to give him all the weapons in
Speaker 1: the world if I want him to be able good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You're you're preaching to the choir. No, well, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I would take a receiver who can make a difference
Speaker 1: right away. But like, keep these projects away from me.
Speaker 1: It's not a project. It's just a waiting gay which
Speaker 1: you get away to year. That's what you call a
Speaker 1: project because they're not ready right away. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're ready. There's just something in their way. Were you
Speaker 1: thinking about Williste thirty six? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: I think that's where this team is going to be
Speaker 1: looking at him. I don't know if they trust him
Speaker 1: getting the one five, one sixty five. Um Cole Holcomb,
Speaker 1: the linebacker of the North Carolina is out there. See
Speaker 1: this is this is the fun part for me. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm part of this and I watch and
Speaker 1: pay attention. But I haven't watched five hundred players the
Speaker 1: way that y'all have. And now, on the eve of
Speaker 1: the draft, y'all have to reconcile the fact that the
Speaker 1: team's board is not the same as your board, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's a that's a frustrating Hey, Taco Charlton, right,
Speaker 1: I mean exactly, We're back in that conversation, which we
Speaker 1: can do all the preparation we want, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, they've got their own. So do
Speaker 1: we just give them Willis here because we think it's
Speaker 1: realistic because I have Hulcomb ahead of Willis, and I
Speaker 1: don't like hulkm either. I have Willis in the six
Speaker 1: or seventh rows. If you look at if you look
Speaker 1: at the safeties that they visited, if you want to
Speaker 1: play this game, it's either Harris or Willis at this point,
Speaker 1: whoever you have rated better, it's likely I mean, if
Speaker 1: you whoever you feel better about it. Again, this is
Speaker 1: us trying to project what they might do, and you're
Speaker 1: watching the same tape they are, So I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to figure out now Is And I me personally,
Speaker 1: I would take Willis myself. I know that you don't
Speaker 1: like that at all. But I didn't like Kaminski, so
Speaker 1: that's I think Willis is the most realistic pick there,
Speaker 1: to be honest, bring them on, Okay in terms of
Speaker 1: what this team is gonna do six Okay, have we
Speaker 1: picked all visits so far? I don't Trevan Williams. I
Speaker 1: don't think. Okay. Is he not a local guy either? No? No, okay,
Speaker 1: he's from Houston. I believe they don't stretch the boundary
Speaker 1: that far for Dallas, so so far, that's a good
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Jeff Is and I say this
Speaker 1: all the time, and I think it's smart, like you
Speaker 1: want to circle in on the guys that they're interested in.
Speaker 1: But every single year the draft never falls that way.
Speaker 1: Like we're doing our best, but it just will not
Speaker 1: work out this way. And if if three of the
Speaker 1: five or four of the five picks are thirty visits,
Speaker 1: I'll be pretty surprised. Especially it's usually two. You've done
Speaker 1: this study though before. Usually it's it one to two.
Speaker 1: The focus is in the top, like the focus is
Speaker 1: in the Obviously they don't have a first round, but
Speaker 1: the focus is first, second, and usually even the third.
Speaker 1: But again once you get down toward the sixties, seventies
Speaker 1: and beyond, and you're at the mercy of the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: just to reset here from Shakerton's again, the draft show
Speaker 1: presented by Miller lite Tristan Hill, who we selected at
Speaker 1: two fifty eight, the defensive tackle from Central Florida. At
Speaker 1: three ninety we went Trevion Williams, the running back from
Speaker 1: Texas A and M At four one twenty eight we
Speaker 1: went John Kaminsky, the defensive end from Charlestown, And at
Speaker 1: four one thirty six we went Cary Willis, the safety
Speaker 1: from Michigan State. Okay, we don't have a sixth round pick,
Speaker 1: Am I correct about that? Five one sixty five is
Speaker 1: left and seven two forty one we've addressed. Seven two
Speaker 1: forty one are the picks we have left. Now we've
Speaker 1: addressed pretty much all of the primary needs right, safety,
Speaker 1: D tackle, running back D D and d end YEP
Speaker 1: which d end maybe not a primary need, but that's okay. Okay,
Speaker 1: with two picks left, is there a position we have
Speaker 1: to get with those two picks, whether it be corner,
Speaker 1: whether it be receiver, linebacker. You got a receiver whisper guy,
Speaker 1: you'd probably like a corner. I would think with your
Speaker 1: top four corners, the guys that are the most relevant,
Speaker 1: two are up after this year and the other two
Speaker 1: are up after the next year. That's that could be
Speaker 1: a pretty big need if we have a slot guy,
Speaker 1: I guess any receiver, because you could kind of move
Speaker 1: them around. Sure, if there's a receiver, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that works. I don't know if you're gonna find a
Speaker 1: tackle prospect you like this late, but I think that's relevant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's twenty twenties problem. Okay, we can fix that
Speaker 1: one later. Yeah. I like what you're talking about with
Speaker 1: the corner though. I do like that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: eric can we get as we go down the board,
Speaker 1: are we gonna tell me who we're gonna lose, because
Speaker 1: that's gonna influence me which direction we're gonna go. Chris
Speaker 1: Westy the Kentucky corner, and we talked about another super
Speaker 1: tall one. Yeah, he literally is six four six four
Speaker 1: and a half, but four three seven is the speed there.
Speaker 1: They went to Lexington to work him out as well.
Speaker 1: Uh now four three five three five on the board
Speaker 1: at six four and a half hundred ninety nine pounds
Speaker 1: Jeff again, is there a is there a wide receiver
Speaker 1: you like in that? Is there a wide receiver on
Speaker 1: our board? And left? Who who's have you got anybody?
Speaker 1: At that point, um, we can go keeling. Okay, So
Speaker 1: like renfro or is john V Johnson? John By Johnson
Speaker 1: was a guy they brought in run yeah, Clito, right,
Speaker 1: this Senior Bowl guy Penny Hart available, No, he's gone. Okay,
Speaker 1: john bya really struck me as more of a seventh
Speaker 1: round player. But yeah, at this point where at the
Speaker 1: mercy of the board. So we got to figure out
Speaker 1: who's available here and we can try and wait till
Speaker 1: the seventh round to get because this receiver, this receiver
Speaker 1: class is so deep that people are gonna be shocked
Speaker 1: by some of the receivers they go undrafted in this
Speaker 1: I kind of thought that way last year when Wilson went,
Speaker 1: When Dallas picked Wilson, Yeah, you know, I was the
Speaker 1: state receiver. I was shocked by that whole thing. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: don't kill me for asking. This is Dax Raymond gone?
Speaker 1: But sorry? Yes, at five one sixty four, one pick
Speaker 1: ahead of the Cowboys to the Indianapolis Colts as a back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but who wants him? Jeff does. Jeff asked about him?
Speaker 1: I did, I mean, I got him in the fifth
Speaker 1: He can run, but I can't trust him about the Uh.
Speaker 1: How about the Nebraska kid. There's a few of those,
Speaker 1: the running back Stanley Morgan. Yeah, I think that'd be
Speaker 1: a good pick. Now, he's he's not gonna light anybody
Speaker 1: out with speed. He's not a separation guy. But Stanley
Speaker 1: Morgan catches every ball throne his strong possession. I remember
Speaker 1: watching his tape thinking, my gosh, he doesn't drop the ball. Yep,
Speaker 1: he's still available to go there and fifth rone. That's
Speaker 1: the possibility. Do you feel good about you? There were
Speaker 1: a wide receiver whisper? Do you feel good about that?
Speaker 1: You feel good about Stanley Morgan coming in here? He
Speaker 1: can't run a lick, and you might be like some
Speaker 1: of the guys you've got, I mean, will he did
Speaker 1: four or five? Three? Does he beat out? Because right
Speaker 1: now you've got to beat out Tavon Austin or Noah
Speaker 1: Brown and Cedric Wilson. Do we feel like that's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: That's to go, I guess, because you might end up
Speaker 1: eighth on the depth chart and be a decent player
Speaker 1: if you're and that's I kind of That's the point
Speaker 1: I was trying to make earlier is if you're not
Speaker 1: drafting a clear badass, i'll deebo Samuel. Is it worth
Speaker 1: throwing another guy into that log jam? No? I mean personally,
Speaker 1: I was just asking. I was trying to think of names.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get some names. Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: This is sam a sample to tie in from Washington available. No,
Speaker 1: he was gone, Okay, that dude's gonna go high, like
Speaker 1: higher than you think we like. We should have picked
Speaker 1: him at one thirty six or at one twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Deontay Johnson available. No, he along gone, Okay, everyone
Speaker 1: likes Jontay Johnson. See now we're now we're we're in
Speaker 1: a problem here. I think, well, no, I think it
Speaker 1: comes down to, okay, do we want to go linebacker?
Speaker 1: Do we want to go corner? We do we go receiver? Um?
Speaker 1: What are our what are our corners? My preference is
Speaker 1: probably corner. If I can find a guy that I
Speaker 1: think is going to make the team, Mark Fields Clemson corner,
Speaker 1: hamp Chievers, Derek Thomas from Baylor, that's ah, he's got
Speaker 1: the biggest wingspan of any corner in this draft. Can
Speaker 1: you talk about him a little bit? Then place former
Speaker 1: basketball guy who just had no offers, no interest out
Speaker 1: of high school, had to go to the academy Milford
Speaker 1: Academy then ends up getting a like a partial of
Speaker 1: walk on opportunity. It's at Temple. Uh please to transfer
Speaker 1: from Temple. Then he came with the coach right well,
Speaker 1: and he played receiver. Then he moved to corner later on.
Speaker 1: So and then he moves to Baylor as a graduate
Speaker 1: transfer plays this year from Matt Roulett Baylor, and he
Speaker 1: played well as a starting safety for Baylor. And he's tall,
Speaker 1: he's long, and he can run. That's that's a good
Speaker 1: mix right there. Two six two, seven six two and
Speaker 1: seven eighth four four four speed, The jumps are great,
Speaker 1: seven one eight three comes respectable for him. So at
Speaker 1: this point in the draft, I mean, that's that's the
Speaker 1: type of traits. That's that's a trades pick right there.
Speaker 1: That is total trades pick. He's an older guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's over twenty four. He's been around a
Speaker 1: little bit, so upside do worry about a little bit
Speaker 1: about that. But Brian likes to tell me that Terrence
Speaker 1: Newman was old. So yeah, and Terence Newman is still playing.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Terence is fifty three now, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: still starting. Derek Thomas would not be a bad pick here. Um,
Speaker 1: I like him over Westy. Okay, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: I think Western. I'm not a fan of Westy at all.
Speaker 1: They only have six picks to work with, so who
Speaker 1: knows if it works out for him. But I think
Speaker 1: they want to get Chris Richard a cornerback, just a
Speaker 1: guy that he can kind of work with, work with
Speaker 1: and mold. And I mean, we'll see what happens with
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that
Speaker 1: he comes back Barron Jones. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: And I mean it's a long shot to say a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick is gonna be your replacement for Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: But you could at least right to find that guy
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, you're probably right. I think we're spending
Speaker 1: too much time on a fifth round pick. Let's go
Speaker 1: Derrick Thomas. Derrick Thomas says the guy who's been watching
Speaker 1: tape of these guys since October. I'm just excited to
Speaker 1: get the seventh round. There we go. Okay, we're seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: so far again. Tristan Hill defensive tackle, Central Florida. Trevion
Speaker 1: Williams running back Texas and NYM. John Kamitsky defensive end
Speaker 1: tackle h Charleston Cary Willis the safety from Michigan State.
Speaker 1: Derrek Thomas the cornerback from Baylor. So far, so we're
Speaker 1: in the seventh round, seven, two forty one. Right now,
Speaker 1: this is the point where this is where you draft
Speaker 1: somebody you don't want to fight for and free agency
Speaker 1: this is it. When you get to this point, you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: who can we take that? We thought, oh, maybe this
Speaker 1: guy can make it to free agency. Uh no, that's
Speaker 1: not the case. You go and get this guy now.
Speaker 1: So let's think about who went direction we need to
Speaker 1: go in there? Day is our Arkansas linebacker gone green Law?
Speaker 1: He's available. I heard his name on the radio today
Speaker 1: by mister Stephen Jones. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yea. If
Speaker 1: his son scouting for him. Information like green Law. He's
Speaker 1: just small, Yeah, he's just small. He's your ideal special teamer, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's what you're getting. Yeah, and whatever he gives
Speaker 1: you on defense just a plus. Like, if there's some
Speaker 1: guy out there with really good traits you're gonna swing
Speaker 1: on instead, that's fine. But if watching him, the dude
Speaker 1: is tenacious to him, is at Holloman right from Holcombe
Speaker 1: holkm excuse me, Holm, Holcomb's gone, Holm's gone. Okay, so
Speaker 1: so not having that sixth rounder showed there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: here in the seventh Drake green Law is a good name.
Speaker 1: Uh you know he's you say he's short. He's five
Speaker 1: eleven and a half four seventh three. Guy can't get
Speaker 1: off a block going forward. He'll give ground, but he
Speaker 1: will get off the block. He ain't gonna play defense anyway, sir,
Speaker 1: You never know, you have lots of things happen. Five
Speaker 1: eleven and a half, two thirty seven on that. My
Speaker 1: guy as a fighter, No, there's no question about. He's
Speaker 1: a physical player. I mean I like him. I like him.
Speaker 1: I think that we watch him play delivers a blow.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, first of all, we've talked about
Speaker 1: it already. This team loves the draft linebackers. It's like
Speaker 1: their favorite thing in the world. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: you know they they're stacked right now. But Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: contract year, Sean Lee contract year. Um, I believe Justin
Speaker 1: marks Lillar would only signed a one year deal. So
Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna have some turnover, right obviously, you
Speaker 1: know Jalen and and vander Esh they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: Your your starters are pretty intrenched. But it always afford
Speaker 1: to upgrade the devil. And green Law was voted a
Speaker 1: senior captain. Uh, you know, he's he's a guy that's
Speaker 1: battled through a lot of adversity within the foster care
Speaker 1: system things like that. So I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: that you're going to look at and say, yeah, got
Speaker 1: the right attitude. They've got some inside information at Arkansas.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense. Okay, So Dre Greenlaw is
Speaker 1: going to be our pick from Arkansas. He's at pick seven,
Speaker 1: two forty one. He's a linebacker there, so that completes
Speaker 1: our mock draft. Six picks one offensive player, Yeah, six
Speaker 1: picks one offensive player like once again, Tristan Hill, defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from Central Florida, Trey Veon Williams, the running back
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m John Kamitski was the fourth
Speaker 1: round pick at one twenty eight. Cary Willis was the
Speaker 1: pick of the safety from Michigan State at one thirty
Speaker 1: at four one thirty six, Derek Thomas, the cornerback from
Speaker 1: Baylor that we all seem to like, at five one
Speaker 1: sixty five, and then Drey Greenlaw, the linebacker five to
Speaker 1: eleven and a half linebacker from Arkansas at seven two
Speaker 1: forty one. We think he's gonna play quite a bit
Speaker 1: of special teams. Some inside information there for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So all right, that would be our draft. Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: and Trayvion Williams or Taylor Rap Taylor Rap. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: go with a better player. I go Taylor Rapp and
Speaker 1: then sign and then somebody that's on the streets right now,
Speaker 1: let's play. I let the tray beon Williams charge. I
Speaker 1: will own that. But to play Devil's advocate, there's veteran
Speaker 1: running backs that are out there. Sure, t J Yelden
Speaker 1: is unsigned as far as hey, is it Gye healthy?
Speaker 1: I know he's a free agent. Yeah, I's still with
Speaker 1: that knee coming off the ACL So so what the
Speaker 1: What we learned from this though, is that we should
Speaker 1: be willing if, in fact, Taylor Rap gets close enough
Speaker 1: to where you can make that move. Go get it
Speaker 1: where you can, where you can manipulate three ninety and
Speaker 1: go get him with one Thornhill making it move for Thornhill.
Speaker 1: I like Rap myself better. Let's say let's say Rap
Speaker 1: goes thirty six, Thornhill is still there. Ye consider that absolutely,
Speaker 1: we can that. I don't play. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would do it. You'd rather have Tristan Hill and Treyvin
Speaker 1: Williams or whatever you're going, or whatever direction I get
Speaker 1: to go. I just think it's I think it's a
Speaker 1: weird fit, right, Like I know he helps you get turnovers,
Speaker 1: or he did in college, and he's the better athlete
Speaker 1: than Rap, and he's bigger. But when I'm putting him
Speaker 1: with Xavier Woods, I'm trusting you to kind of play
Speaker 1: in the alley and make tackles. And watching one Thornhill
Speaker 1: do that doesn't build a lot of trust as a
Speaker 1: consistent finisher. No, I think that's fair. If his technique
Speaker 1: is not sound, then he'll there will be some broken tackles,
Speaker 1: no question. I think he also gives him some Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods insurance. Yeah, because if Xavier Woods does not turn
Speaker 1: out to be you know, locked down, that starting job. Well,
Speaker 1: then wan Thornhill moves to the free and you're getting
Speaker 1: a box safety. So there's some added you know, that
Speaker 1: versatility there to be an interchangeable guy again is why
Speaker 1: one Thornhill could be a first round pick. Okay, well
Speaker 1: so that yeah, well that's interesting. I thought we would
Speaker 1: just be happy about sitting there and making picks, but
Speaker 1: we depends but we kind of feel like though that
Speaker 1: maybe going up might not be a bad thing for
Speaker 1: this football team. It just depends on how much you
Speaker 1: have to pay. Yeah, and who's still there. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it, honestly, the free agent running back market. I
Speaker 1: must not have looked at it in a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks because it's not as enticing as I remember it being.
Speaker 1: And I go, maybe you get Dexter Williams in the
Speaker 1: fourth maybe Justice Hill, but yeah, I get Are you
Speaker 1: how confident are you if you don't you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Travion Williams isn't overspend, But if you don't do that,
Speaker 1: are you confident that a guy you draft later can
Speaker 1: handle that for you? If something were to be New Yversity,
Speaker 1: Colorado that nobody drafted problems. Yeah, I was banging the
Speaker 1: taible last year for him. Okay, we're gonna take our break.
Speaker 1: We're actually gonna take a break, believe not. After all that.
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Speaker 1: take it on the way on the Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty fours. Take well, this is perfect timing from Alex.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we covered this before the break,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious. So I'm curious if that were to
Speaker 1: actually happen, and that's he says, would you consider Tristan
Speaker 1: Hiller reach at fifty eight? I mean, if that's actually
Speaker 1: where they go, how do you feel about that? If
Speaker 1: you consider that a reach? I would. I think it's
Speaker 1: important to consider that. With that draft that we did,
Speaker 1: we're trying to make it realistic for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: as opposed to Hey, what do you think of the
Speaker 1: players and who would you pick? Because brought us just
Speaker 1: told you that Triston Hill was his sixty seventh player,
Speaker 1: which means, no matter how the draft went, he's got
Speaker 1: at least eight players left that he would take over.
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill. Yeah, and I think that's probably where I
Speaker 1: would have him, somewhere between sixty five and eighty something
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, in in that range, right, I mean
Speaker 1: so yeah, And again it's not just about the talent,
Speaker 1: it's you have to make sure you're comfortable with the player,
Speaker 1: the football character and everything that comes with them. So
Speaker 1: they're doing their due diligence on them, and as long
Speaker 1: as they're comfortable to character, I fully understand the pick.
Speaker 1: If if that's it where they go at fifty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean I'm I'm okay with it because you know,
Speaker 1: in talking with Rod Miranelli about the player himself, Rod
Speaker 1: really likes his kid a lot. I mean, he and
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see with and when that night
Speaker 1: in the war room we always get to we'll talk about, Okay,
Speaker 1: who the coach is standing in the back of the room.
Speaker 1: If it's Rod Marinelli, Chris Richard, you know, Okay, is
Speaker 1: it gonna be the corner, There's gonna be a safety,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be defensive tackle. But I just think they
Speaker 1: liked this kid a lot, and so to them, that's
Speaker 1: probably not a reach. To the panel, maybe it is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a reach, but I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think they believe that maybe
Speaker 1: we do a little bit more. Here's a question from
Speaker 1: Sam which again kind of touches on the theme of
Speaker 1: the mock draft. He says, it seems like the assumption
Speaker 1: has been we're drafting two defensive players on Day two.
Speaker 1: Nobody's making a big enough deal out of the offense
Speaker 1: having trouble scoring last year. Basically, how big of a
Speaker 1: surprise would it be if they're offensive minded on day two?
Speaker 1: And what makes me think that is Deebo Samuel being
Speaker 1: a perfect example. Would they really bypass a far superior
Speaker 1: offensive player just in the name of drafting defense, because
Speaker 1: that goes contrary to what everyone says you're always supposed
Speaker 1: to do about your draft. I think that's how you
Speaker 1: make massive mistakes. So are we not giving enough credence
Speaker 1: to the thought that they might really draft the best player.
Speaker 1: I do think that this team is set up to
Speaker 1: pick the best player available. I think if a safety
Speaker 1: falls in your l app that's towards the very top
Speaker 1: of your board, then that would be perfect for them,
Speaker 1: that would be their ideal scenario. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you're good at receiver. You're not good at running back,
Speaker 1: but you can fix it other places if you need to.
Speaker 1: You're good at quarterback, you're good on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: you're good in the secondary maybe minus the safety. You're
Speaker 1: great at linebacker, you're good on the defensive line. You
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. So I would feel weird
Speaker 1: if they forced to pick. But here's the thing. When
Speaker 1: you're talking about it, pick fifty eight best available, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're talking about one clear guy.
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about like a group of players,
Speaker 1: and I think you're talking about a receiver, you're talking
Speaker 1: about defensive time, you're talking about you know, a handful
Speaker 1: of receivers at that point, I don't know one fifty
Speaker 1: or at two fifty eight. If you feel this is
Speaker 1: a clearly our best player on the board, I think
Speaker 1: things get a little muddled and you're deciding between four
Speaker 1: or five players. Well, teams have their board, like I
Speaker 1: would imagine they'll have them made like the one will
Speaker 1: make where you'll see first round, second round, third round.
Speaker 1: But in each individual round, will they have him stacked?
Speaker 1: I think that's what if you do just point to
Speaker 1: the top, yeah, right, what the what the cowboys will
Speaker 1: do is my experience. Again, the last time I was
Speaker 1: in a war room within was two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: so but I know there's a lot of similarity and
Speaker 1: what they did back then to what they do now,
Speaker 1: and it's it's by round, by position, and then what
Speaker 1: they go off of is the stack. Okay, it's say
Speaker 1: they have one hundred and fifty names on that board.
Speaker 1: It'll be they take their top player and then their
Speaker 1: player at one fifty, and then they'll stack it vertical board.
Speaker 1: So you got it by position, by round, but then
Speaker 1: you got it by actually by players. So that's how
Speaker 1: they separate, you know. For example, you know there might
Speaker 1: be guys two guys that have a grade of a
Speaker 1: low grades win on their board. So if a guy
Speaker 1: is a one one point zero zero, then the next
Speaker 1: guy might have a one point zero five, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's how they'll stack them down that board. So
Speaker 1: that's that kind of is the way that they bring
Speaker 1: them in the order of how they would want to
Speaker 1: do it. So a month ago, you had a five
Speaker 1: alarm panic attack because Damien Harris visited the team and
Speaker 1: you're preparing for them to draft a running back at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Yeah, seventy two hours before they go on
Speaker 1: the clock. You're just just you're throwing an offense out
Speaker 1: the window as a possibility. I think that they brought
Speaker 1: Damien Harrison as if they got wiped out. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I do. I think they're I think they're thinking if
Speaker 1: they lost all their if they lost all their defensive
Speaker 1: players that they wanted, maybe they maybe they think that
Speaker 1: Damien Harris, like Jeff had pause about taking Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we all had pause about taking him.
Speaker 1: Maybe on their board, Damien Harris is a higher rated player.
Speaker 1: Maybe when they do the stack that Damien Harris's grade
Speaker 1: might be a one to five and then and then
Speaker 1: Hill's grade is a one two nine, and there's a
Speaker 1: there's a gap, you know, and they're gonna say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna jump We're not gonna jump Hill just
Speaker 1: because we need a defensive tackle, or maybe they do
Speaker 1: do that. I just that that's where that happened to
Speaker 1: him one time. And basically, my buddy Thom Siskowski lost
Speaker 1: his position, and it was it was the it was
Speaker 1: the Shari Floyd draft where they had Sharie Floyd as
Speaker 1: a top five player, the defensive tackle from Florida, and
Speaker 1: they jumped him. They could did a complete jump, you know,
Speaker 1: and took somebody completely different. And I that was Tom's
Speaker 1: last draft, you know, and so I I just don't
Speaker 1: see them doing that. A great example of that was
Speaker 1: when Zack Martin was taken. You know, they had Martin, Manziel,
Speaker 1: all those guys, and then you know, my uh Chesier
Speaker 1: goes right ahead of him. What's the next player they took?
Speaker 1: They pointed the board and said, okay, Zack Martin, boom
Speaker 1: they you know, that's a great example of them just
Speaker 1: following the order they had. I'm I'm I'll be curious
Speaker 1: to see because we took a defensive player because we
Speaker 1: think that's what we want, what they want to do.
Speaker 1: I think that is what they want to do. We
Speaker 1: should be shocked that they can offensive. We shouldn't be shocked.
Speaker 1: If we shouldn't be shocked if they take a running back,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be shot. I don't know, that's I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I though I will be shocked
Speaker 1: if they take a running back, even if we shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: They brought in receivers, will be is a receiver in
Speaker 1: your time? Okay, the thirty visits, if you had to
Speaker 1: rank them of the rank of the thirty visits, Is
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel a higher radio player on your board than
Speaker 1: Damien Harris? Yes, yes, he's very comfortable. Maybe they think
Speaker 1: Damian Harris will make it to ninety. I may wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, I don't have the same context you
Speaker 1: guys do. Just on my watching, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: at all, right, I would. Yeah, I wouldn't like that
Speaker 1: pick at fifty eight for any team. I'd be okay
Speaker 1: with it. Fifty eight for a running back needy team,
Speaker 1: but not this team. Do you have him as a
Speaker 1: straight two or two three? I gave him two because
Speaker 1: I think he can't do everything. That's I haven't missed
Speaker 1: two as well. Damien Harris is a seventy five percent
Speaker 1: version of Zeke. That that's how I view him. See
Speaker 1: that's maybe what maybe you know with with that, Maybe
Speaker 1: there's a scout in that room making that exact argument
Speaker 1: for putting him up there on that board. I did
Speaker 1: go into panic attack. No freaked out. No, I freaked
Speaker 1: out because I'm thinking, why are they bringing a second
Speaker 1: round running back in her to visit? Maybe? You know,
Speaker 1: I I that's freak. Maybe they don't think he's a
Speaker 1: second round running back, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: they think they don't get him in third round. Right,
Speaker 1: and and and according to their mock draft, we got
Speaker 1: a running back though in the third round. Right. I
Speaker 1: hate to keep beating this drum. I'm really sorry, but
Speaker 1: like nobody thinks that you can get Debo in the
Speaker 1: third round. No, no, no, no, no, no, no way.
Speaker 1: And they really don't think they're going to a shout
Speaker 1: out him a fifty eight. Yeah, I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be off the board in the top. Okay, shouts out
Speaker 1: to our buddy, Trevor. Shout out to Kelsey. Charles had
Speaker 1: just rolled into bad Chuck. All right, Chuck, Trevor shouts
Speaker 1: out to him. Came out here, asked us these questions directly. Yes,
Speaker 1: I usually do. Tell me more. I'm gonna let him
Speaker 1: do it. He's got three guys, Okay, Uh, tell me more,
Speaker 1: Tell Trevor more. Are about Caleb Wilson, the UCLA tight end.
Speaker 1: Somebody else take that one, please, he's your favorite player,
Speaker 1: Jeff Caleb. Wilson had almost a thousand yards as a
Speaker 1: tight end and he ran a four or five six
Speaker 1: ye So off of those numbers and saying he's six
Speaker 1: four two thirty five, my initial impression if you just
Speaker 1: gave me his stats, his forty time and his size
Speaker 1: would be that he goes on day two watching his tape.
Speaker 1: If he were in the seventh round, I would consider it. Wow,
Speaker 1: I gave a PFA grade, So I'm with him. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: It's really weird because you see the numbers on the
Speaker 1: guys and then you watch him play and like Drew
Speaker 1: Sample at Washington, would you have three hundred yards yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty something catches. I'd take him three or four rounds
Speaker 1: ahead of ahead of Wilson, and it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's weird like that. Sometimes, you know, you watch him
Speaker 1: play and it's weird that they schemed him open on
Speaker 1: basically one yard drag routes all the time and would
Speaker 1: throw him the ball. But there was nothing I saw
Speaker 1: that was like, man, that guy's gonna be really good
Speaker 1: on Sundays because I don't like stiff athletes who have
Speaker 1: inconsistent ball skills, you know, And that's that's why for me,
Speaker 1: he's way down the list and he'll be overdraft. If
Speaker 1: he's drafted, he'll be overdrafted. Put it like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. Which it's weird for a power five tight
Speaker 1: end with almost a thousand, so I understand the question.
Speaker 1: But he's a big guy that doesn't play with very
Speaker 1: much power. That's that that that's a that's a big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big problem. And I think that you also, he doesn't
Speaker 1: play with much balance, you know. That's another thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're tighten, my titan's playing out of balance. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan at all. So who else we
Speaker 1: got on that? How about Mark Fields, the corner out
Speaker 1: of Clemson. Dane mentioned him briefly yea during the mock
Speaker 1: He's he's weird because he did not see the field
Speaker 1: a lot at Clemson, but when he was on the field,
Speaker 1: he seemed to make plays. You know, He's an undersized
Speaker 1: slot guy. He's under five two pounds, speedy, forty three
Speaker 1: seven at the combine, but what six career starts, one interception?
Speaker 1: Just not a productive guy couldn't get on the field.
Speaker 1: I know Clemson is a loaded program, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, if you're a good player, you find the field.
Speaker 1: They play in a rotating system to a corner, though,
Speaker 1: didn't they Because I remember watching Mullen, you felt like
Speaker 1: they were why is he off? You know, and it
Speaker 1: was one of those things kind of they were trying
Speaker 1: to find It's like they felt like that they needed
Speaker 1: to play, like they had so many kids and they
Speaker 1: felt bad about not playing them. You know, they just
Speaker 1: didn't want to sit guys well. And what really helped
Speaker 1: Mark Fields as when he went the Senior Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: he was a late invite to the Senior Bowl, and
Speaker 1: he really had a chance of show out there and
Speaker 1: he had a good week and that's what really helped him.
Speaker 1: That's why we're talking about Mark Fields as someone who's
Speaker 1: gonna be drafted somewhere on Day three. And you know
Speaker 1: remember his father, Mark Fields. Yeah, yeah, the Saints. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a linebacker from Washington round pick. Yeah, Washington State.
Speaker 1: That those bloodlines, yeah, exactly, all right, there's one more, yeah,
Speaker 1: one last. Mike Edwards, the safety out of Kentucky. He
Speaker 1: might be my favorite safety of the non mainstream safeties.
Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about the same six or
Speaker 1: seven guys in the second round. Mike Edwards is the
Speaker 1: guy in the third round that once you get wiped
Speaker 1: out at every other your safety options. I love Mike
Speaker 1: Edwards in that spot. Really productive both as a run
Speaker 1: defender and in coverage. He can run a guy that's
Speaker 1: been out of sight out of mind a little bit
Speaker 1: because he's been hurt. But when he's during the pre
Speaker 1: draft process, but when he's on the field, he makes plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. You know what I liked about him
Speaker 1: was I loved how the guy hit. I mean, and
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy's one of those guys that it's
Speaker 1: not afraid to draw a flag. You know, he'll take
Speaker 1: He'll take a shot at you in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. And I thought that was I thought that
Speaker 1: was really kind of admirable about him, though, But you know,
Speaker 1: he needs to me he needs to do a better
Speaker 1: job of coverage in the red zone. That's where I
Speaker 1: saw him get exposed a little bit. And in the
Speaker 1: field he seemed to do better. But the smaller the space,
Speaker 1: the more trouble he had covering. And then I worry
Speaker 1: about him giving that up down there when you get
Speaker 1: in the red zone, you know, Elison, you put you
Speaker 1: put a safety in coverage and then he's given up play.
Speaker 1: So I was I was a little bit more uh
Speaker 1: that that bothered me, But I didn't think he played
Speaker 1: with very much smoothness to it was another thing. Kind
Speaker 1: of was a herky jerky kind of a player. And
Speaker 1: I my safety is to be able to play with
Speaker 1: that range, get over make plays, but have a little
Speaker 1: bit smoothness about him. There were three players in this
Speaker 1: draft who have over three hundred tackles and over ten
Speaker 1: interceptions in their career. He's one of them. So ideally
Speaker 1: he's your third safety on your roster, right, you know,
Speaker 1: a nickel guy, dime guy. Uh. They asked him to
Speaker 1: do a lot like he seemed like he watching him,
Speaker 1: I felt like he played single high, he played down,
Speaker 1: he's covering the flats. He's kind of kind of all
Speaker 1: over the place. But did you see him though, man,
Speaker 1: when he had to really turn and go. Because I
Speaker 1: saw a guy that labored. That's what I'm worried about it.
Speaker 1: He was like laboring to get to the ball. That's
Speaker 1: why I kind of liked him because the other part
Speaker 1: is I felt like he was hit you. That's the
Speaker 1: best thing about him. I feel like he was almost
Speaker 1: kind of an anxious player, where when when I see
Speaker 1: him in average, I felt like, the first move he's coming,
Speaker 1: the first anything, he's coming. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: that's not where you need to be. Yea, but he did.
Speaker 1: I mean Dane's right, he was productive. Um So yes,
Speaker 1: I like him and I would worry about him. Third
Speaker 1: fourth round. I love I love this thought exercise. Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't picking Thursday as far as we know, don't care.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be live streaming in anyway, so yeah, please
Speaker 1: join us. Here's here's a question from Bryant. If this
Speaker 1: card smokescreen is real and they're not sold on picking
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, which I don't really believe for the record,
Speaker 1: but let's just say that they're serious if they pass.
Speaker 1: If Arizona passes on Kyler Murray, where does he get
Speaker 1: drafted Oakland four? Not? You don't not, Miami, Do we
Speaker 1: see a trade up the Jets one out of there?
Speaker 1: The Jets at the third pick overall are trying like
Speaker 1: heck to get out of it, trying to get out
Speaker 1: of it, like Mike wants that second round pickbacks something
Speaker 1: insane to get up to get up to three. I mean,
Speaker 1: who else needs one in that in that well? The Giants,
Speaker 1: Giants Steward seven. Yeah, Gettleman probably hates Murray. If I
Speaker 1: had to guess, I think that. I think actually Oakland
Speaker 1: sitting in a pretty good spot because I think John.
Speaker 1: I think John likes both. I think he likes both him,
Speaker 1: and I think he likes Haskins too. Do you think
Speaker 1: that they would move up from four to three just
Speaker 1: to guarantee they get their guy? That seems like something
Speaker 1: that John would do. Just just did it two years ago. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it seems like something that John would do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I might let that. I'm I'm I'm gonna guarantee. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that somebody is not gonna offer mcagnan enough at
Speaker 1: three to make that trade. I think that, Okay, hear
Speaker 1: me out on this, a Rams deal, an Eagles deal.
Speaker 1: But we saw for Carson Wins and those guys, right,
Speaker 1: I don't see somebody making that kind of deal with
Speaker 1: the Jets. Don't either, And the Jets are just gonna
Speaker 1: sit there and pick the player. See, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't either. But same time, I also know the Jets
Speaker 1: are desperate to get out of there, and that worries me.
Speaker 1: So if I'm the Raiders and I see a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I want Okay, Okay, if they're desperate and they're willing
Speaker 1: to take the low market value to get out of there,
Speaker 1: which I think they are, then if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then you then you need to be worried. But okay, well,
Speaker 1: the will the Jet will the will the Raiders be
Speaker 1: able to offer enough just to move up one spot?
Speaker 1: Or they definitely can offer enough. They have a boatload
Speaker 1: of picks, right, but but but but do you want
Speaker 1: to if you're the Jets, do you want someone coming
Speaker 1: from the middle of the board like the Dolphins to
Speaker 1: like to to take all the to get all their picks. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what you want. But if that offers not there,
Speaker 1: well that's what I'm saying though, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You you you know you would you better off if
Speaker 1: you can't get if you're just gonna get one pick
Speaker 1: from moving down? Is that is that enough? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would, gladly, I would. Is that getting out of there? Yes?
Speaker 1: I would gladly. You're you're getting A. You're not taking
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, so you're gonna get a four take six
Speaker 1: to five. To me, I think good Will Grewon would
Speaker 1: take either one of those quarterbacks. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think he would take either one of those guys. So
Speaker 1: are you Are you saying that Dwayne Haskins is gonna
Speaker 1: go forth? Then that's kind of what you're saying kind
Speaker 1: of No, I could. It's the Raiders. For God's sake. Hey,
Speaker 1: I want you to say. I need to put together
Speaker 1: my final mock draft, so I need your help here. No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it mean Dweyne Haskins. Do you think I think Green
Speaker 1: would do? I think he's looking at either one of
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks that's been having some late night phone conversations
Speaker 1: with your old friends. Who's who's a fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: round tackle prospect? If history is an indication that's who
Speaker 1: they'll take. That's mean I'm just telling you that. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you though, that I think he would. He's
Speaker 1: looking at both those quarterbacks. I really do. Do you
Speaker 1: think do you think that Kyler Murray really won't go
Speaker 1: one overall? Anybody? No? Anybody? No, I think he's going
Speaker 1: I think he's going to number one. Okay, and I
Speaker 1: think the Bosa goes too, and the draft starts at
Speaker 1: number three with the Jets. I think I agree with that.
Speaker 1: And I don't know who knows who's pick and third
Speaker 1: is the Jets or someone else, but it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: Here's a Homer question from my homies, Aaron and Julie Murray. Okay,
Speaker 1: we already talked about Stanley Morgan Junior, but what about
Speaker 1: Divine oh zigbo combines back. Yeah, he's a hard charger who,
Speaker 1: uh it doesn't always look smooth like it. It's not
Speaker 1: you know, his cuts aren't beautiful in that, but he
Speaker 1: finds ways to be productive after first contact. Uh. Dallas
Speaker 1: day kid, right, and he's one He's one of like
Speaker 1: like eight players this year who had over seven yards
Speaker 1: of carry. Yeah, so he's really productive. Uh. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that in the late fifth round, sixth round, that's
Speaker 1: where you start considering him with these other running backs.
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the few one day three
Speaker 1: who is a legitimate three down player at the running
Speaker 1: back position. I feel like I'm I'm betraying myself because
Speaker 1: like my anti running back tendencies are starting to come back,
Speaker 1: Like after I let the charge on Trevion Williams. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a guy on day three that we
Speaker 1: can get to backup Zekes. Gotta be go to zigbo
Speaker 1: gets zigbo at in the fifth round? Here we go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Justice Hill, Maybe yeah, Exter Williams. But all right, So
Speaker 1: if again, if that's the theory, then we just need
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys need to move ninety. Then I kinda
Speaker 1: they need to move ninety. I mean coming around, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of I'm kind of getting there. Like if you
Speaker 1: tell me that we can get a safety we really
Speaker 1: love at fifty and it's gonna cost us ninety, go
Speaker 1: get them? Think I I think I was exercise turned
Speaker 1: the quarter for you. I like that more than drafting
Speaker 1: two players that I feel about. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: But what if they were going to pick two players
Speaker 1: that you didn't feel about? What if what if? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What if win them was debot? Then I'm then we're
Speaker 1: just running the flag through the streets, press swinging it around. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was not gonna be there. So what do you
Speaker 1: think about the Nebraska kid? The runner? Tell you what
Speaker 1: I was interested and tell me always combined snub so
Speaker 1: I would have to learn this from pro day because
Speaker 1: I thought on tape I was kind of impressed with
Speaker 1: the way he caught the ball. There were a few
Speaker 1: where it looks easy turning around, yeah, and grabbing it,
Speaker 1: usually on the wheel routes. Even got down on the
Speaker 1: sideline once. So like, I don't know for six foot
Speaker 1: and two thirty three, it's weird because I didn't think
Speaker 1: he consistently ran with a great pad level, Like nothing
Speaker 1: about it quite looked right. But the results were right right,
Speaker 1: and he was able to break tackles and he was
Speaker 1: able to make it hard to bring him down. So like,
Speaker 1: just because it didn't look right is the way the
Speaker 1: reason that I would have him somewhere around the fifth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way I described it is he doesn't like make
Speaker 1: hard cuts and like make guys miss. He is he
Speaker 1: is a straight line runner in my opinion though, he
Speaker 1: really really is, and I think that I think he
Speaker 1: has to have he gets what the line blocks. If
Speaker 1: they block for him, he's gonna get yards. If they
Speaker 1: don't block, he's gonna have problems. That's kind of where
Speaker 1: I saw this guy. I think he's one of the
Speaker 1: few on day three that you look out and say
Speaker 1: he is a legitimate guy that can be a three
Speaker 1: down or any down back. It doesn't matter what down.
Speaker 1: He can go out there and you know, be a
Speaker 1: reliable player for us. I know we talked. We talked
Speaker 1: about him last week, and I apologize by Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: seem kind of obsessed with this guy, which is interesting
Speaker 1: to me because there's virtually no noise about him. Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones fifty eight. If for some reason that comes to pass,
Speaker 1: is that something we're not talking about the man his
Speaker 1: second air but in his teeth right now, so which
Speaker 1: we initially I don't know if I stay three techniques. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tackle. I don't know if people remember months ago,
Speaker 1: but initially I was seeing him in from the first
Speaker 1: round in bought drafts, and so when I first watched him,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow, the world is insane because
Speaker 1: you can see the ability to win sort of with
Speaker 1: quickness and rush the passer. But I also saw a
Speaker 1: guy that when you snapped the ball, stands straight up
Speaker 1: and like, please wash me out of this play. It's like,
Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: and there's some tools to work with, and even at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, that's probably rich for me, he's my fifty
Speaker 1: six player. So right around fifty eight is I feel comfortable?
Speaker 1: But didn't we say last week that you kind of
Speaker 1: think he'll go higher than that. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: he's fell out of the top forty. Yeah, right around there. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think this draft is also it's so weak
Speaker 1: as like those three techniques. That's why we have to
Speaker 1: take Triston Hill at fifty eight, right, It's why Draymond
Speaker 1: Jones has a chance to go late first round, early
Speaker 1: second round. Is the three techniques just they're not there
Speaker 1: here where Shakerton's and I'm looking up at the screen.
Speaker 1: The ESPN's doing their writer's mockt Yeah, they're doing the
Speaker 1: writer's mock. And your guy, Brian Burns just with the
Speaker 1: Carolina at sixteen. That's I mean that it's about where
Speaker 1: he's gonna go. You and I are. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be the one I'm gonna wear probably the world.
Speaker 1: According to Brian says, he'll be in play for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys it fifty Brian, you just gonna come around to
Speaker 1: realize that the pass rush is more important. I don't
Speaker 1: like the guy, and that's exactly why Draymond Jones is
Speaker 1: gonna go higher. I think I know so in a
Speaker 1: world where he in a world where and if that's
Speaker 1: if he's there, is that something we're not talking about,
Speaker 1: Like should we be considering him? I mean, I've heard
Speaker 1: next to nothing about they're not doing work on him.
Speaker 1: They didn't bring him in, But is that something we
Speaker 1: should be thinking about. I don't think he's gonna make
Speaker 1: it that far, so I think it's smoot. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, if he's there, heck yeah, And like
Speaker 1: I said, I have a fifty six to overall on
Speaker 1: my board, so I'd be good with it. Brontess would
Speaker 1: be good with it. Jeff would be. He have to
Speaker 1: warm up to it. Yeah, you have to. We have
Speaker 1: to get him there. Yeah, Jeff can go back and
Speaker 1: watch the tape. We're putting our board together. Watch him
Speaker 1: the tape, sir, and I won't stand for your insults.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a blood bat tonight over at
Speaker 1: the start getting ready for that, That's all I got
Speaker 1: to be honest. You got yeah, all right, Well this
Speaker 1: we'll take one final break and let everybody take a
Speaker 1: pull off through Miller lights, and then when we come back,
Speaker 1: I want to go through some rumors, some things that
Speaker 1: we might be hearing. What are some lies? What are
Speaker 1: some truths? Where are we going in this thing? As
Speaker 1: we get really close to this draft, so we're right
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Speaker 1: are back here with the draft show for the final
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Speaker 1: back in the day, five years ago, back in the day,
Speaker 1: five years ago, when I was yeah, when I was
Speaker 1: fifty years old, you know, just terrorizing people. I bet
Speaker 1: you were, yeah, exactly, you know, guys um and again
Speaker 1: everybody at tom Board here, we've got to David Hellman
Speaker 1: and Dame Burgler, myself, Bryan brought us, and then Jeff
Speaker 1: kavan Off from one oh five three, Jeff and I
Speaker 1: and Katie are gonna put together our one oh five
Speaker 1: three the fan board tonight, so there'll be some battling
Speaker 1: going on at the Star for that with some of
Speaker 1: these names. I'm not looking forward to this because I
Speaker 1: have a feeling I know where this direction is gonna go.
Speaker 1: Just to kind of give you an idea too a
Speaker 1: little bit. This week, we've got the We got the
Speaker 1: draft completely covered for you guys. We encourage you. You know,
Speaker 1: they'll have it on TV and stuff. But well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have it all three days. We're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: have it Thursday night, Friday nights, and Saturday all day.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have all the picks. How many picks
Speaker 1: we got, two hundred and fifty four, two hundred fifty four,
Speaker 1: So we will have analysis of every pick by every team,
Speaker 1: the ones we like, the ones we don't like. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have guests and stuff at the at the Star. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Three of my favorite days of every year. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so much fun. I love what's the fourth one? Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I mean that's Jena put this one, Yeah, the Giant Jena. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my three favorite days of the year that don't
Speaker 1: actually involve football being played. Put it that way. What
Speaker 1: I love about this draft is it's gonna be unpredictable.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be stuff going on in the first round
Speaker 1: that we don't see coming. And that's what makes it fun.
Speaker 1: No problem if I, you know, go over thirty two
Speaker 1: on my mock draft, fine with that. But you're one
Speaker 1: of the best. You and Daniel Jeremiah the NFL never
Speaker 1: two of the best mock drafts in the country. My
Speaker 1: percentage is gonna take a hit this year. So it
Speaker 1: is it's tough this year? Is it? Because is it
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks? You're worried about the quarterbacks? After say Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray goes one, who's the second quarterback off the board?
Speaker 1: And where does he go? What pick? Yeah? I mean
Speaker 1: I think all four, Dwayne Haskins, Daniel Jones, Drew Locke,
Speaker 1: They're gonna come off the board in the top twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five picks. It's trying to figure out where's that
Speaker 1: landing spot gonna be. And I don't there's so there's
Speaker 1: no consensus. There's some teams that really like Drew Locke.
Speaker 1: I'm really like Daniel Jones, So I'm like Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 1: It's just I've heard that those rumors. I'd be shocked
Speaker 1: if it happened. I just to me. I see Will Greer,
Speaker 1: and we taught me these quarterbacks. I see Will Griers
Speaker 1: being probably the most accurate of the throwers. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have the strongest arm, but I think he's really accurate.
Speaker 1: I don't think people are giving him enough credit for that.
Speaker 1: His issue is decision making like that. That's I just
Speaker 1: don't think he has the decision making to go in
Speaker 1: the first round. If you're if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and you want to see the Giants take
Speaker 1: a quarterback? Which quarterback do you want to see them take? Realistically?
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, Daniel freaking Jones? Right? You with one on
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Do you like Daniel Jones alive? Well? The
Speaker 1: problem is I kind of like all of them, and
Speaker 1: I don't like doing the I like to hate quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'd like to hate me hating quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: had to. It took me a while to decide on
Speaker 1: my order, and I still don't feel great about it.
Speaker 1: But I've got Locke, Career and Jones all pretty similar.
Speaker 1: I think they're all good at different things, and I
Speaker 1: could see any one of them ending up being a
Speaker 1: good NFL quarterback depending on where they end up. I
Speaker 1: don't know which one I bet against the most. I
Speaker 1: think they're all coin flips. Tell me where they go,
Speaker 1: tell me how they're protected, and tell me who's coaching them.
Speaker 1: I don't have a dream guy for the Giants, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, he won't make it. I could see
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones making it as an NFL quarterback, sure, I
Speaker 1: totally could, but he's in the Eli Manning mold though,
Speaker 1: you know, like where David Cutcliff the coach coach, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we're hearing the Giants and Daniel Jones rumors
Speaker 1: because it just makes too much sense to following the
Speaker 1: Manning Manning way. But yeah, trying to figure out who
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are gonna go is the toughest part. When
Speaker 1: you map out the first round, it's anybody's guess, and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a trade somewhere early that's gonna throw
Speaker 1: off and break everyone's mock for the rest of the
Speaker 1: round exactly. And even that's trying to figure out is
Speaker 1: it gonna be the top ten is it gonna be?
Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to see the Bengals go after
Speaker 1: a Dwayne Haskins, you know, yeah, right, and he don't
Speaker 1: and he don't shown he's not taking this team to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. You bring in a young quarterback like
Speaker 1: Dayne Haskins, let him sit on the bench for a
Speaker 1: year behind Andy Dalton. It makes sense. Yeah, but Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins probably gonna wait till next year. That's what most
Speaker 1: people in the league believe is gonna happen. Washington, I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised that they've finished this draft weekend without a quarterback.
Speaker 1: A new quarterback now that could be Josh Rosen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I were them, it would be Josh ro Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least if the rumors are true about
Speaker 1: what it costs. If I'm picking and I can use
Speaker 1: my second round pick to get Josh Rosen, you can
Speaker 1: forget these first round quarterback twenty twenty second rounder and
Speaker 1: Case Keenum would get it done done. It's insane to me,
Speaker 1: how I know. You know, draft picks are like Case
Speaker 1: Keen played in four Cliff Kingsbury right at that, Houston, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: draft picks are like cars. They lose value as soon
Speaker 1: as you pick them. But like the way that people
Speaker 1: have just cast Josh Rosen aside as being helpless is insane.
Speaker 1: And they did the same thing to Jared Goff. But
Speaker 1: the thing is with Josh Rosen. If he doesn't but
Speaker 1: even going back to last year, if he doesn't go
Speaker 1: what nine over our ten overall to the Cardinals, where's
Speaker 1: he go? You know? Like I just think back, it's
Speaker 1: hard to figure out because not everyone had a first
Speaker 1: round grade on him, um, and so I thought he
Speaker 1: was Matt Ryan. He still could be. That's my points.
Speaker 1: What happened to Jeff's guy when when the coach showed
Speaker 1: up at the Rams so exactly that's I would love
Speaker 1: to think Rosen can't play because he was bad for
Speaker 1: on the worst team in football that has no clue
Speaker 1: what they're doing and has no talent. That would be
Speaker 1: I would be I would be much If we're thinking
Speaker 1: about this from a Cowboys standpoint, I would be much
Speaker 1: more afraid of New York or Washington parting ways with
Speaker 1: a second round pick to put him on their team
Speaker 1: then taking a chance on Daniel Chef. You're the Cowboys. Sure,
Speaker 1: if you had the Cowboys, you had your twenty seventh pick.
Speaker 1: Would you trade it for Josh ros Oh gosh, why
Speaker 1: are we You don't Why don't want to do that?
Speaker 1: I'm just asking for me? Is yes, but it just
Speaker 1: makes people mad. It does man that I don't don't
Speaker 1: have an answer to that, like because you know not
Speaker 1: to make people mad. You're smarter than me. Purely from
Speaker 1: like an analytics standpoint, I probably would yes, because Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen in twenty five million dollars for the next three years.
Speaker 1: The savings would allow you to build a much deeper roster.
Speaker 1: I think he can be pretty good. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like teams don't do that, teams don't go
Speaker 1: away from it. But this is the one team that
Speaker 1: should do that right because they don't. They have a
Speaker 1: general manager that's not gonna get fired. At the same
Speaker 1: but you got to think about it from another standpoint too,
Speaker 1: this is a team that can't afford to do that
Speaker 1: in the sense of how many Dak Prescott jerseys have
Speaker 1: been sold over the last three years. You already sold
Speaker 1: do keep selling that stuff? Rosen One's a brand new
Speaker 1: no one has one yet, and nobody's going to be
Speaker 1: excited about until he starts winning games. So win games.
Speaker 1: What if he doesn't, that's the point, and everybody gets fired.
Speaker 1: I think it is a gamble that nobody has the
Speaker 1: guts to make, including me, until teams start getting the
Speaker 1: guts and I can't wait, someone someone will do it.
Speaker 1: Then it'll be a you know, we never thought a
Speaker 1: six foot quarterback can go number one overall, Baker Mayfield did. No,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're gonna have a five eleven
Speaker 1: quarterback that's being generous, go number one overall, Cala Murray.
Speaker 1: So like there a day is coming where teams are
Speaker 1: going to start viewing quarterbacks as expendable assets, but it's
Speaker 1: not here yet. Like I keep saying, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: the one team that can do that because again, these
Speaker 1: other general managers are trying to pay for their lake houses.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy's lake house already paid for and
Speaker 1: then something and he's not Yeah, he's not going anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But that's why, that's why this team would be the
Speaker 1: example for your right if you had enough confidence that
Speaker 1: you could pick quarterbacks. Who puts you or think about
Speaker 1: it from Jerry's standpoint, who puts you closer to winning
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl? Right now? Like in the next three years,
Speaker 1: is it, Dak or Josh Rosen? Rosen and twenty five
Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space? Twenty five million dollars in
Speaker 1: cap space that you can't spend until next You said
Speaker 1: three years? Though, true, I can carry it over right,
Speaker 1: keep you. You had to just you had to take
Speaker 1: us down this No, no, no, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. I've just said if you I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if the Cowboys had the pick, would you
Speaker 1: do it for fifty eight? Then? Why would you do
Speaker 1: this eight minutes before the show? I'm just asking. It's
Speaker 1: just a question because teams are having to determine if
Speaker 1: they're good what what what do you? What would you
Speaker 1: give up for Josh Rosen? That's gonna be the question.
Speaker 1: What if you had Josh Rosen as a top five
Speaker 1: player on your board? But again, how many teams like
Speaker 1: love him or hate him? How many teams have a
Speaker 1: quarterback that's that's taken him in the playoffs twice in
Speaker 1: three years? Oh no, there's nothing. I mean, Dak, I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of deck. I'm just saying, though, if
Speaker 1: you're a team looking at your and you and and
Speaker 1: the and the Arizona Cardinals are giving you a chance
Speaker 1: to upgrade your quarterback. If you thought, I mean I would.
Speaker 1: I think you have to look at those things, don't you?
Speaker 1: How long into his all right, let's say this, let's
Speaker 1: say this were to happen. How long into his Dallas?
Speaker 1: Sorry Dan? How long into his Dallas tenure? Does it
Speaker 1: take Josh Rosen to be better than Dak Prescott based
Speaker 1: on decks QBR last year? Based on what? Maybe one year?
Speaker 1: Maybe one? All right? Maybe we don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can't teleport the guys, but we don't know. And
Speaker 1: that's why nobody does it, because it would take a
Speaker 1: lot of cojones to say you have three years of
Speaker 1: club control over Rosen, two of which you're at an
Speaker 1: extremely affordable price. One is at a moderately affordable price. Verse.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the value of Josh Rosen here.
Speaker 1: To somebody, I can't believe it's not a first round
Speaker 1: The value of Josh Rosen is a second round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be a first but again that's not what
Speaker 1: as soon as you get drafted, you lose value. It's dumb,
Speaker 1: but it's true. Josh Rosen's values what someone's willing to pay,
Speaker 1: that's it. And if all someone's willing to pay the
Speaker 1: second round or then that's if you're If you're Steve
Speaker 1: Kime in Arizona, are you gonna be stubborn about this?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna take the Giants second round pick? What's
Speaker 1: your leverage? You gotta get rid of him. If you're
Speaker 1: going to draft Kyler Murray, you gotta get him off
Speaker 1: that roster. Now. I would not be surprised if Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray or if Josh Rosen is still on the roster
Speaker 1: after draft weekend. I would not be surprised by that.
Speaker 1: And Josh Rosen's just kind of in limbo for a
Speaker 1: little bit. If they want to go next year one,
Speaker 1: somebody gets next year's one, well that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: But they're being an injury so Bradford deal exactly, Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna wait for someone to get injured
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna make a move. I still don't
Speaker 1: think it'll be for a first rounder. Isn't that? But
Speaker 1: is going to three something like that? Is that gamble
Speaker 1: worth taking? Like? Won't that be weird for everyone involved?
Speaker 1: It will be very weird in Arizonas. Yeah, it's worth
Speaker 1: it if you think that Kyler Murray's a better quarterback
Speaker 1: than Josh Rosen. No, but let's say, like, what if
Speaker 1: nobody gets hurt, What if nobody's willing to do that deal,
Speaker 1: they take what you can get. Yeah, Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: it's it's it is an unprecedented situation. Yeah, it's nothing
Speaker 1: has ever happened like this where a team's gonna draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback top ten back to back years and they
Speaker 1: fired their coach chapter one year too. I've got I
Speaker 1: have I've never met Steve Kime, I have no beef
Speaker 1: with him. I bet he would and calling uber afterwards.
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of shocked that he's got a job
Speaker 1: given the situation the Cardinals are in right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just remember the Cardinals, the way they operate. The
Speaker 1: owner has a lot of saying what happens. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why I think Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: is going to be the pick aside from Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: But the opportunity to sell jerseys, put butts and seats
Speaker 1: eyeballs on your football team, Kyler Murray's gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen is not going to do that. And that's
Speaker 1: why you know Michael Bidwell is going to be a
Speaker 1: big part of decision making for the Cardinals. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think Kyler Murray is going to be the
Speaker 1: top pick. That's all the time we have for today.
Speaker 1: How about that we just ruin everything in the last no.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to I was just trying to
Speaker 1: find value in uh. I was just trying to find
Speaker 1: value in the quarterback. I'd just like to apologize for
Speaker 1: the last five minutes. Okay, very sorry. Wait did you
Speaker 1: did you get a big that guy? I hope that
Speaker 1: gets five hundred million in a lake house. Five hundred
Speaker 1: million is a lot big. Well, I'd settle for one
Speaker 1: sixty five. Well, we want we want to thank everybody
Speaker 1: here at Jakinson's for putting up with us for the
Speaker 1: last couple hours. I want to especially thank Ken Garrison
Speaker 1: for setting everything up for us today. We really appreciate
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Speaker 1: of gets you going for the draft. So again, from
Speaker 1: my scouting buddies, David Hellman, Dame Burglar, Jeff Kavanaugh, I'm
Speaker 1: Brian Brons. Thanks again and can't thank you so much
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