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Speaker 1: He is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: We are back. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and we have Bob Labriola. You want to give a

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Speaker 1: little a right, That's what we're laughing about on the

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Speaker 1: on the out there is that because every time every Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: when I announced that Bob is going to be on

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Speaker 1: the next segment, Matt kind of goes, oh, yeah, boy,

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Speaker 1: we'll disclosure here. Matt already knows the always takes you

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Speaker 1: to my surprise, and I'm always so tick old paked.

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Speaker 1: We got labs next. I love it. We were now

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Speaker 1: welcome Bob Labriola onto the show. How you doing, Bob?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys laughing? Are you taunting me? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's all about the body language. Let'st's talk. Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the rule, is I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you probably. I'm just I'm just guessing here. We haven't

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Speaker 1: talked about this, but I'm guessing you're probably not a

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Speaker 1: big fan of the rule either. But by letter of

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Speaker 1: the law, if you're going to call it, it is

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Speaker 1: on the books and they are emphasizing it. Don't put

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Speaker 1: yourself in that position. Well, you know, to me, this

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Speaker 1: is um, this is similar but in a different way

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Speaker 1: that to the place of safety initiative in what you think,

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Speaker 1: what I think, what the fans think, None of that matters,

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Speaker 1: none of it, um. And this is something that the

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Speaker 1: leak has decided that they want ownership obviously is on

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Speaker 1: board because it was approved and you know there are

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Speaker 1: um you know, I don't. I'm just trying to spit

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Speaker 1: ball here in terms of why you know this was

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Speaker 1: implemented has become a point of emphasis. You know, I

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Speaker 1: just don't think that the league has any interest in

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Speaker 1: things escalating too, you know, a bench clearing brawl quote

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Speaker 1: unquote for um what they would consider, you know, real

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Speaker 1: taunting as opposed to you know what we've seen in

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Speaker 1: just about every instance when the penalty has been called

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Speaker 1: to this point. And so UM, I don't really I

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Speaker 1: don't think that the league cares whether um, you know,

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Speaker 1: there there it's actual taunting or just kind of appears

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Speaker 1: to be. I don't think the league cares if um, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it may be determines a game. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they care. I think they have a bigger picture

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Speaker 1: in mind, and everybody better get on board with it

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Speaker 1: and understand what it is, because it's not changing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and I compareed, you know, to the Player's Safety Initiative

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Speaker 1: in because in the span of like ten calendar days,

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Speaker 1: James Harrison went from a guy who hadn't been flagged

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Speaker 1: for personal file in thousands of defensive snaps in the

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Speaker 1: public enemy number one and there wasn't any meeting or

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Speaker 1: rule change or anything. They just started calling or emphasizing,

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Speaker 1: you know what they were told to call and emphasize.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, to the cash is marshes in

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Speaker 1: the world. Um, you know, you guys, Uh, you're you're

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Speaker 1: just gonna get run over by the machine if you don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, buckle down and get in step. Because this

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Speaker 1: is something that, as I said, the league wants, ownership

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Speaker 1: must want as well, and so I don't know that

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be anything, uh to stand in its way. No,

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I saw a C. Treader who, of

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Speaker 1: course said the Browns Center, who is the the president

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Speaker 1: of the NFL p A. I was apparently asked about

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Speaker 1: that and said, well, the players would be in favor

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Speaker 1: of of not having that called anymore. They don't have

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Speaker 1: a choice. It's not up to you guys. So whoever

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Speaker 1: asked him that question, you just completely barking up the

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Speaker 1: wrong tree. That would be like asking the players, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know you want uh you know, helmet and helmet

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Speaker 1: hits to go away or whatever whatever it may be.

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Speaker 1: They don't make the rules. They may have some input

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Speaker 1: into Yeah, we think that's a good idea, but you

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Speaker 1: they have if the league decides that it wants to

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Speaker 1: get taunting out of the game, the league is going

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Speaker 1: to get contaunting out of the game. Well, I just

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Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned it doesn't matter what the players think.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what the coaches think even I mean

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Speaker 1: throw the coaches into that too, because um, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and if this continues, um in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know, flaunt these rules will get fired and new

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Speaker 1: ones will come in and you know it'll be just

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Speaker 1: like right now. UM. I mean it's pretty hard to

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Speaker 1: should be alive again. It's just changed, that's it. They

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Speaker 1: another job somewhere else because the NFL isn't there's enough

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Speaker 1: people you know who want jobs in the league. UM,

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Speaker 1: you know that you can be easily replaced. So again,

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Speaker 1: as let's try to try to explain to people, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter you know what you think, It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: if it's fair, it doesn't matter. You know, if a

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Speaker 1: team loses a game because of bad implementation, you know

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Speaker 1: of the rule, they don't care. They wanted stopped and

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Speaker 1: so you know, keep your eyes then down on the

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Speaker 1: into the turfer or your shoot tops or whatever. UM,

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Speaker 1: celebrate with your teammates. Do not engage the opponent, Do

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Speaker 1: not engage the opposing sidelines. Don't do it because it

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Speaker 1: is a UM you know, it's zero some situation. I

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Speaker 1: love the word emphasized labs. You know, like we always

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Speaker 1: hear this every year. It's something or other. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: emphasize quarterback safety. We're gonna emphasize fewer head to head,

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Speaker 1: helmet to helmet contact, We're gonna emphasize more past interference.

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Speaker 1: Every year there's something and we talk about it. But

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like my kids when I emphasized that

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Speaker 1: We kind of don't really listen to that as much

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Speaker 1: as we should. But Dad's got a lot of power here,

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Speaker 1: and if they could emphasize it, it's gonna happen. Emphasize

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Speaker 1: as I said, you know James Harrison was hitting those

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Speaker 1: you think he saw stuff like that? They don't, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. Yeah, there's always little

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Speaker 1: things that they'll think us right, They'll think they'll find

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Speaker 1: some verbiage to get what they want accomplished. I mean,

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Speaker 1: That's written by lawyers. So if they emphasize something, I

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Speaker 1: would pay attention. Yeah, yeah, Bobara, Are are you living

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Speaker 1: mean I seriously and I don't mean this, you know,

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Speaker 1: to to demean the Steelers or anything, But I live

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Speaker 1: in my fears every week with this team. This team

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Speaker 1: there's room for air and I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: it's just the way that that it's the team is

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Speaker 1: that kind of salary cap. Uh. This is a team

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Speaker 1: Detroit's game against Baltimore, right, and it's reached film against

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Speaker 1: the Rams. Yeah, where they played both of those teams

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Speaker 1: that's time you've got to do, is we move up

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Speaker 1: in the first round and put the quarterback. The Lions

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