Speaker 1: Wat's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sellings Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: low glasses Malone.
Speaker 2: Well, I saw an opportunity that I thought would be
Speaker 2: interesting for the audience and for all parties involved to
Speaker 2: have a little discussion about Second Amendment, about gun rights,
Speaker 2: gun realities.
Speaker 3: So I brought an expert.
Speaker 2: On here, Black guns Matter, bathroom Malone.
Speaker 3: A different take on on guns. But you know, let's
Speaker 3: see where this goes. So I like that though.
Speaker 1: That's good for your first No Seilings opening. That's pretty
Speaker 1: fucking good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Usually I'm a counterpuncher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. Well, I don't even know because I
Speaker 1: don't really think we really spar like that. I don't
Speaker 1: I think even if our ideas are different, I think
Speaker 1: I'm a little too civilized to worry about if we disagree.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That like you don't really get the crypt like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You get like just glasses low. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you gotta go do your things, people hold up
Speaker 1: because do your think.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Was just gonna try to see if I can set
Speaker 2: off you guys each stating a thesis about your opinions
Speaker 2: on guns. Yeah, and then kind of where's the asymmetry
Speaker 2: and why or where where's the parallels?
Speaker 4: So classes you you know you can't be anti gun.
Speaker 1: No, I got guns. Yeah, But but honestly, the way
Speaker 1: I feel about guns, yeah, is uh, everybody should have
Speaker 1: them or nobody should have them. And when I mean
Speaker 1: nobody should have them, I mean no police agencies, no
Speaker 1: government agencies, know nothing. So it's guns for everybody or
Speaker 1: guns for none. That's that's my only feel. And because
Speaker 1: one person has one gun, I have a lot of guns.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I viewed that the same way that the caveat.
Speaker 4: That I add onto that, though, is I don't care
Speaker 4: if everybody else don't got them, because I can't trust
Speaker 4: to anybody that say they don't got them. No one
Speaker 4: telling the truth, and I don't live off of trust.
Speaker 4: Trust is not a good tactic or strategy, right Actually no,
Speaker 4: you know the situation and then you can still get burnt.
Speaker 4: But like to me, I understand that sentiment, which is yo,
Speaker 4: if we I do agree that if we got to
Speaker 4: a place in the human condition where people was like yo,
Speaker 4: we kind of don't really need to like do this.
Speaker 4: We can usually negotiate things out and respectfully part ways.
Speaker 4: On areas that where we disagree. Do I think that
Speaker 4: the human condition is going that way. I think it
Speaker 4: would be if the government wasn't so involved and like
Speaker 4: poking at people and creating interdacing rivalries. But the government
Speaker 4: in the state is always going to do that. So
Speaker 4: I think that it would be great for the human
Speaker 4: condition to go in that direction. I just don't think
Speaker 4: people are disciplined enough to do that. And here's the
Speaker 4: other thing. They don't have to be disciplined enough to
Speaker 4: do that. They don't have to. They don't They don't
Speaker 4: have to say I want shangri la and I want peace.
Speaker 4: They don't have to. That's actually what I strive for.
Speaker 4: That's why we deal so much with conflict resolution at
Speaker 4: our classes.
Speaker 1: What classes do you teach?
Speaker 4: We do basic our organization, Black Guns Matter. We're a
Speaker 4: firearms training organization. We do basic firearms training for anybody
Speaker 4: across the country that wants to learn for free. We
Speaker 4: do a hardcore emphasis on conflict resolution and safety though included.
Speaker 1: In that class.
Speaker 4: We've raised a little bit over six hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 4: over the last few years, given in a way to
Speaker 4: like just like it ain't because it ain't like my bread,
Speaker 4: Like I don't got the point sitting around like in
Speaker 4: the But we raised and we just gave it away
Speaker 4: like when we do these classes. We wanted to remove
Speaker 4: the financial barrier to entry for anybody that just wanted
Speaker 4: to learn. And we started in twenty sixteen, you know
Speaker 4: how like when the first Trump rally, not rally, but
Speaker 4: campaign was happening, and everybody, you know, every they're gonna
Speaker 4: start it in a couple of months. Again, every couples
Speaker 4: with it's a presidential election. Everybody talks about we need
Speaker 4: to voters, registration drive, we need voters, and the conversation
Speaker 4: is around that. So me and my partner at the
Speaker 4: time was like, yo, bro, we we should have a
Speaker 4: license to carry drive. And we had an event and
Speaker 4: we was like, we're gonna call it Black Guns Matter,
Speaker 4: because if you believe at that time, the BLM thing
Speaker 4: was like heavy, and we were like, well, if you
Speaker 4: believe the black lives matter, you should have the means.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't be mad at black guns mattering people. Black
Speaker 4: folks and people in general should have the means to
Speaker 4: defend themselves. So when we did that, we initially he
Speaker 4: was like, yo, we're gonna have one event and like
Speaker 4: we're gonna maybe get thirty or forty people in Philly
Speaker 4: to come through, and like three hundred people showed up. Nice. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I'm talking about people was from Jersey was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: what I heard about this? What we gotta do? And
Speaker 4: then we we said, Yo, we might have something here.
Speaker 4: So we said, yo, wouldn't be cool if we did
Speaker 4: the first thirteen. We did thirteen cities, like the first
Speaker 4: thirteen colonies in America, and we just went there and
Speaker 4: just told people how to do this. And we initially
Speaker 4: had a goal of like twenty five grand because all
Speaker 4: of the classes are free because of crowdfunded and so
Speaker 4: you know, in your mind in the beginning, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: we only gonna need twenty five Like imagine telling somebody
Speaker 4: you're gonna do a thirteen city tour for twenty five
Speaker 4: thousand dollars, right, But at that time we was like,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, and we did it. And then we
Speaker 4: started getting crazy angry emails people from outside of Chicago
Speaker 4: was like, Yo, that's fucked up. You only care about Chicago.
Speaker 4: What about this small town right outside of Chicago? The
Speaker 4: violence is messed up over here, or when we did,
Speaker 4: we did somewhere in Arkansas, and I remember this email. Crazy.
Speaker 4: This one lady was like, that's fucked up that you
Speaker 4: don't care about us any small towns like I live
Speaker 4: in Little Rock, Arkansas. It's horrible here and I need
Speaker 4: to know. And we just kept going to Twitter and
Speaker 4: just going like, Yo, do y'all think we should do
Speaker 4: more of this? Should we do fifteen more cities? And
Speaker 4: every time unequivocally, everybody was like yeah. And I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: well this shit ain't free, Like we need some more funding,
Speaker 4: you know, And people was like, yo, make the goal
Speaker 4: of hundred grand, make the goal fifty thousand, make the
Speaker 4: goal of hundred grand. We just kept going, and then
Speaker 4: after a while when we hit like two fifty, and
Speaker 4: then we hit like I think we hit like two fifty,
Speaker 4: and I was like, listen, should we make the goal
Speaker 4: like a million dollars? And everybody was like yes. And
Speaker 4: then before that we were like, yo, should we do
Speaker 4: every state in America? And everybody was like yes. And
Speaker 4: people just saw me raising this money, doing all of
Speaker 4: this media and just giving the classes away for free,
Speaker 4: and I mean, you know, I've done a lot of people, huge, huge, folks.
Speaker 4: You know we have a mutual homie Van Lathan, Yeah,
Speaker 4: had this album he was on at TMZ. We've just
Speaker 4: done all of these different platforms. And that's the long
Speaker 4: version of saying what the work that we do and
Speaker 4: how it started and how we got here. We got
Speaker 4: maybe like three hundred thousand and some change left on
Speaker 4: his goal and the remaining three hundred thousand will before
Speaker 4: this summer in falls classes and buying our building that
Speaker 4: we're in outright and so tennis to say, man, it's
Speaker 4: been an interesting ride, but we've we had a stated
Speaker 4: goal of making the black community become the newest largest
Speaker 4: gun buying demographic. We said that from the gate in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, and we did that in less than three
Speaker 4: years with less than three hundred thousand dollars. And we
Speaker 4: just traveled. We just went everywhere and just taught these
Speaker 4: classes for free licenses to carry are up in black communities.
Speaker 1: How did you do you know every different states? Like,
Speaker 1: how did you get abreast of every state's gun law?
Speaker 1: Did you just kind of prepare for it when you
Speaker 1: went in like you would prepare for anything else.
Speaker 4: Yep, we just because it's a hodgepodge mix because some
Speaker 4: states are you.
Speaker 1: Know, California is completely different than everything.
Speaker 4: East California is the worst, and Cali, Like, I'll go
Speaker 4: to nip Spot every time I'm in La. I go
Speaker 4: to nip Spot, you know, just out of respect when
Speaker 4: things like that. But I'm never I'm not going to
Speaker 4: fucking compt them without a gun. I'm just not. I'm
Speaker 4: not doing that. I don't care about the rules. They're not.
Speaker 4: Actually the supreme rule, the supreme law Atlanta is the
Speaker 4: Constitution and the Bill of Wrights, which is the Second Amendment,
Speaker 4: and that in that regard. But but yeah, I'll openly
Speaker 4: tell people I don't follow any of them fucking rules
Speaker 4: at all. My man, my man, if they want to
Speaker 4: follow those rules, I'll make sure at our classes we
Speaker 4: should we can explain to them and teach them exactly
Speaker 4: how to follow all the rules get their license to carry.
Speaker 4: But everybody quite naturally asks me, like, damn, mis you,
Speaker 4: I don't. I do not have a license to carry anyway.
Speaker 1: My homeboy, my home and not to cut you off,
Speaker 1: my homeboy, Manny uh Manny does aight Boys worldwide podcasts
Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's like a YouTube show. It's every Friday,
Speaker 1: shout out to the boys worldwide. My niggas pun Fred
Speaker 1: a couple of my partners, and he's like that. So
Speaker 1: me and my partner Jau from Long Beach, we don't
Speaker 1: We'll buy a gun over the table. Under the table, however,
Speaker 1: we buy guns, you know what I mean, Like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't care, we carry. We're not worried about no
Speaker 1: cc w's like you know what I mean, we know
Speaker 1: the exact laws, but that don't necessarily help what we're
Speaker 1: trying to go through. But Manny is like that. My
Speaker 1: Manny is a full a person that came up out
Speaker 1: of the community, same way you know, a gang member
Speaker 1: and all that. But he wants to carry based on
Speaker 1: the law. And it's just so funny to me that
Speaker 1: that's how he sees it is ship.
Speaker 4: It's hilarious he sees it that way because he's been conditioned.
Speaker 4: Licensing is the government selling you your rights back to you.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And so for example, if
Speaker 4: I if I'm fishing, and if and that's if I
Speaker 4: if the game warden or the the you know whatever
Speaker 4: pulls up and they asked me for my fishing license,
Speaker 4: I'm good, which means I paid the state money to
Speaker 4: say you can fish. If I don't have that, I'm
Speaker 4: not good. That does not make you less safe or
Speaker 4: more safe. It doesn't make the same thing with you
Speaker 4: know when I when I drove like I drive his
Speaker 4: license where you know, when I've drove dirty for decades
Speaker 4: and it's like, I'm a safe driver. I got some
Speaker 4: shit in the trunk that I cannot get pulled over
Speaker 4: for driving without a license. Not now, I'm saying at
Speaker 4: different times, sure, sure, Like I'm when when people just
Speaker 4: got a suspended license and they trying to go to work, man,
Speaker 4: they stopping full fully at the stop signs, they looking left, right, left.
Speaker 4: So having the license in and of itself does not
Speaker 4: make you more skilled or more safe.
Speaker 1: No, it just means the government has gave you permission
Speaker 1: that you should have already to have these things.
Speaker 4: You you do have it already.
Speaker 1: To me, it seems more of a tax thing.
Speaker 4: Oh it's.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this seems like a racket. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's what the government is. The government. The government is
Speaker 4: a protection racket by general y'all. Remember that TV show
Speaker 4: called the A Team. Of course, remember I like all
Speaker 4: of the people in the small town would like reach
Speaker 4: out to like the A team and be like, Yo,
Speaker 4: there is this small group of guys that's like making
Speaker 4: us pay.
Speaker 1: Money or abusing government.
Speaker 4: That's what the government is. They say, we will let
Speaker 4: you do things if you pay us. Our shooters aka
Speaker 4: a law enforcement will ride down through our communities and say,
Speaker 4: if you are selling cigarettes and we don't get a cut,
Speaker 4: we will Eric garner you. That's what government is.
Speaker 1: You can so you're calling it a protection racket because
Speaker 1: you feel like they sell it on to They sell
Speaker 1: it to you behasked of safety. Yeah, so they convince
Speaker 1: you that the world is almost like the gangs, like
Speaker 1: like like like a gang would do in the community,
Speaker 1: be like, look, this is a protection you know situation.
Speaker 1: So you pay us for protection.
Speaker 4: It's every every every hip hop artist friend of mine
Speaker 4: that I know that had a conversation about Cali as
Speaker 4: it relates to checking in, don't fucking be here if
Speaker 4: you have if we have not co signed it, and
Speaker 4: that's what the American government is. And if you don't
Speaker 4: pay me for the tax.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, dog like the checking in shit
Speaker 1: has gotten so far out of control and it's not
Speaker 1: even that dup, Like, you know, it's crazy because you
Speaker 1: can be nobody will know you are in LA. There
Speaker 1: are so many places you can be in LA and
Speaker 1: won't people won't know you in LA. The problem is
Speaker 1: like I've never looked at checking in like that. Like
Speaker 1: whenever I go to any other state, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: get with the brothers when I go to Philly, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to get with the brothers. When I go to
Speaker 1: New York, and I'm happy to get with the brothers Jersey.
Speaker 1: For me, I'm at the projects. I didn't been to
Speaker 1: projects in Dayton, Ohio, ghettos in Cleveland, Cincinnati. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to get with the brothers. And that's the concept of
Speaker 1: checking in. I think the monetary feed comes in when
Speaker 1: you want to be in the commun unity and you
Speaker 1: want to do things to me that should be a
Speaker 1: violation of human beings, whereas like you want to wear
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of jewelry where
Speaker 1: people are poor with no opportunity. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think like in LA in this regard, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of imagery in LA that has cash value,
Speaker 2: soft cash value, so to speak, from a marketing commercial standpoint.
Speaker 2: You want to come down and take a picture from
Speaker 2: the towers. You want to go down slows. You want
Speaker 2: to go here, You want to go there, there's value there.
Speaker 1: You want to take the vans. Yeah, you want to.
Speaker 2: Stand on North Parkway in Memphis. No one knows where
Speaker 2: the hell I'm standing it.
Speaker 1: And I've had this conversation though, like, honestly, dog like
Speaker 1: you want to show you are wearing racks of meat
Speaker 1: where the wolves are right, you feel like, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's really such a crappy thing that what the
Speaker 1: fuckers want to do that rappers want to do. I'm
Speaker 1: in the ghetto with all my jury. Why would you
Speaker 1: want to be what motherfuckers is starving at with food
Speaker 1: on your neck. I don't get it, And I argue
Speaker 1: with niggas all the time, and I'm like, why would
Speaker 1: you go there knowing like you know how much of
Speaker 1: a piece of shit you gotta go to to go
Speaker 1: to some poor town in Africa with a case of
Speaker 1: Big Max and just sit there and eat them in
Speaker 1: front of everybody and feel like there's some kind of
Speaker 1: value in you because you can sit up there and
Speaker 1: eat your.
Speaker 4: Food without breaking off.
Speaker 3: Nobody else eat look even in baseball.
Speaker 4: The last time I was in La, right, it might
Speaker 4: have been a time the time before, but I went.
Speaker 4: I went to nip Spot, and as you know, they're
Speaker 4: redeveloping that area.
Speaker 1: Super getting getting super gentified by the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was dudes out there, still moving shirts.
Speaker 4: And every time I'm out there, I had, I pulled up,
Speaker 4: I had maybe like forty two dollars of cash. I know,
Speaker 4: them T shirts that you're selling ain't necessarily the marathon.
Speaker 4: I know that, right, Some of them is. Some of
Speaker 4: them may maybe six hundred dollars out there with the
Speaker 4: brothers that was just out there hustling. It's not because
Speaker 4: and when I go to when I go to knit Spot,
Speaker 4: he was. He was very instrumental in a lot of people.
Speaker 4: That is an example of us remembering someone that comes
Speaker 4: from a democratic that we are from, whether you active
Speaker 4: or not or whatever, or involved in games and met.
Speaker 1: Just hold that point because hip hop is not only
Speaker 1: about the criminals. It's about how crime influenced your life.
Speaker 1: So it's both sides. As long as we came up
Speaker 1: in this place where crime shaped the culture, like any
Speaker 1: street urban community, so it's never you know, day La
Speaker 1: Soul didn't come across as criminals tried. Didn't come I'm
Speaker 1: sure Q Tip and it was doing some bullshit. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not stupid. I don't give a fuck about with
Speaker 1: none of these niggas saying Dayla Soul probably was doing
Speaker 1: some bullshit. Tribe was probably doing some bullshit. I know
Speaker 1: for sure, herk and and and all them niggas was
Speaker 1: doing some bullshit. So it's how it influences your life
Speaker 1: and your flavor.
Speaker 4: So to me, it became, let's showcase somebody that you know,
Speaker 4: instead of just being a hustler, became a CEO. And
Speaker 4: I want to always promote that energy. So when I
Speaker 4: see people out there selling ship, yeah I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: over to Fat Burger and I'm gonna get a burg
Speaker 4: over there. Yeah I'm gonna go. I'ma I don't I
Speaker 4: don't even care how much these shirts. I just want
Speaker 4: to support because they're doing that. Saying that to say
Speaker 4: it's also an olde and homage to a harsh reality
Speaker 4: that the gun control laws in California. Even though Nick
Speaker 4: was a positive for the community, his his record a
Speaker 4: so called allowed this allowed him to have firearms even
Speaker 4: though a lot of the brothers that had felon felonies
Speaker 4: on a jacket, that were entrepreneurs in that community, and
Speaker 4: that then that little strip Mall his life was taken
Speaker 4: because he could not have the means on him to
Speaker 4: defend himself.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 4: That's fair, and I'm never gonna stop advocating for that.
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna stop highlighting that contradiction. I'm never not.
Speaker 4: I don't care when they build that high rise over there,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna show up at that high rise if it
Speaker 4: happened to be somebody over there selling T shirts, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna spend some money with them. If that fat burg
Speaker 4: is still there, I'm gonna still spend some money with them.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna still talk about the fact that I
Speaker 4: blame outside of the dude, and I don't know the
Speaker 4: end up working.
Speaker 1: S sure sure outside of that, he wasn't he didn't
Speaker 1: have the right to just he should be freely able
Speaker 1: to move around, especially the jungle, with the sense of protection.
Speaker 1: That's fair. And I see there is a you know,
Speaker 1: a nuance to it. Maybe if he has it, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not, but it's different when he has it, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And maybe you know, we don't know all the details,
Speaker 1: but I get exactly the point. You may God'll be
Speaker 1: able to protect yourself, especially in that type of situation
Speaker 1: where you somewhere trying to get the community back up
Speaker 1: to a quality standard and you fighting against You know,
Speaker 1: it's because it's a thousand people. Like I heard Meek
Speaker 1: said to men. It blew me away. But I couldn't
Speaker 1: be upset as much as I would like to. He
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you can't go back to the hood.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I hate it when he said it,
Speaker 1: but I got why he said it, but I don't agree.
Speaker 1: But then even when you struggle to have a gun,
Speaker 1: it makes some of his point valid, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we do. I genuinely believe we should
Speaker 1: be willing to die for where we grew up at,
Speaker 1: not I mean spot right after I saw you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we should be willing to die for each other,
Speaker 1: right because we all come from this background, right, this background,
Speaker 1: so we have to create opportunities, and it is a
Speaker 1: threat because people aren't doing well. And that's just the
Speaker 1: reality of it. Everybody doesn't agree.
Speaker 4: I'm in my community center right now. Fact community center
Speaker 4: is in the middle of North Philly. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, the solutionary center is there, I go. We
Speaker 4: targeted with black guns Matter, no pun intended. We targeted
Speaker 4: black communities and urban communities that happened in rural community.
Speaker 4: If it was poor, we was going there. Yeah, I love,
Speaker 4: I love. We were just in Memphis a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago. I love hoods across America.
Speaker 1: I love the hoods and Memphis.
Speaker 4: I can predict everything that's gonna I thinks the character
Speaker 4: in the movie is the same character in every neighborhood.
Speaker 4: They always you could he on some silly ship and
Speaker 4: here it come. You know what I'm saying. He cool.
Speaker 4: You can feel you can feel it. But I the
Speaker 4: reason why I also love it is because there's so
Speaker 4: much creativity. There's so much flavor, right.
Speaker 1: It's the flavor of the city of the state. So
Speaker 1: and I'm with you with that. I don't care. You know, Yes,
Speaker 1: you can lose your life. Yes I can go to
Speaker 1: watch today and lose my life. Yes, I go to
Speaker 1: car I don't give a fuck like I love it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna stop giving love to my folks
Speaker 1: because of fear of you gotta die anyway. Now, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm finna just go out here and act
Speaker 1: the dumb ass, and I'm not finna give you you know,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. I can afford a Cuban chain that
Speaker 1: costs a kilogram, but it's like, why would I wear
Speaker 1: that where I know people doing bad? If that was
Speaker 1: the case, let me just give y'all some money. I
Speaker 1: couldn't even be mad if a motherfucker if you got
Speaker 1: a kilogram of fourteen carrot you know gold in the
Speaker 1: Cuban link chain, you know what I mean, that's twenty
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars roughly in gold. That's ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Who the fucks shouldn't rob me for that? It's you know,
Speaker 1: how fucking crazy you gotta be in these type of
Speaker 1: places where you can't eat that, and you shouldn't take
Speaker 1: that from me. That should be the first I shouldn't
Speaker 1: even argue with you at that bot.
Speaker 4: It's like almost saying you made yourself lunch me. Yes,
Speaker 4: you're easily accessible. You're easy to grab you a sandwich, bro,
Speaker 4: And I'm not. I don't like it, you know, but
Speaker 4: it's the reality. I don't like the United States government,
Speaker 4: you know, in proxy wars is spending billions of billions
Speaker 4: of dollars in Ukraine and giving them automatic weapons while
Speaker 4: telling me I got to give them a tax in
Speaker 4: order to do it. That's the reality they're doing though,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think that again, to our classes,
Speaker 4: that's a major portion of us talking about the conflict resolution,
Speaker 4: avoidance and de escalation. When I engage, when I go
Speaker 4: to Compton, when I go to Chicago, when I go
Speaker 4: to when I'm in Philly, I and the people with
Speaker 4: me have firearms and we're paying strict attention. But you
Speaker 4: know what else we're doing. We are outside of that
Speaker 4: paying attention. We are supportive, we are respectful, we are
Speaker 4: avoiding conflict, and we are not doing anything that we
Speaker 4: are placing ourselves in a space where you are damn
Speaker 4: near tempting somebody to do something to you. Avoidance, I
Speaker 4: went on of the fights that I'm not involved with,
Speaker 4: I have no argument. I am a master of conflict
Speaker 4: de escalation. I remember I was in some club, and
Speaker 4: I don't even go to clubs like that at this point.
Speaker 4: If I'm not getting some resources for our communities, I'm
Speaker 4: just really not interested, right, And so I was in
Speaker 4: there and it's when the easy Slides came out, and
Speaker 4: I just wanted to support the company, right, easy making.
Speaker 4: You know, they comfortable. They ugly, but they comfortable right,
Speaker 4: And I bought them and I think they might have
Speaker 4: been like three fifty. It's some silly, way too absurd price,
Speaker 4: but I wanted to support this dude stepped on my shoes,
Speaker 4: my yeasy the first time I wore them five and
Speaker 4: for that moment before I finished the story. Every human
Speaker 4: has the right when stimuli happens and your reaction, that
Speaker 4: space in between, that is your choice, your ability to
Speaker 4: choose when that stimula happens and your reaction. In the
Speaker 4: shooting world, that's called your UDA loop O d A.
Speaker 4: Every time something happens, you observe, you orient, you decide,
Speaker 4: and you act. To win, you have to slow up
Speaker 4: the other person's uder loop the time that it takes
Speaker 4: for them to observe, orient, decide, and act, and speed
Speaker 4: yours up. So the person that can slow the other
Speaker 4: person's uder loop up while speeding there's up nine times
Speaker 4: out of ten is gonna win. So during that choice
Speaker 4: with that stimulant and that reaction happens, that is the
Speaker 4: choice and that process is the ooda loop. In that moment,
Speaker 4: it felt like my ooder loop was forever. All I
Speaker 4: could think about was how did you get here? Bro?
Speaker 4: You are potentially about to get upset because this dude
Speaker 4: step on your overly expensive not worth it but comfortable.
Speaker 4: You have your reasons fly for why you bought them
Speaker 4: expensive as fucking slides. He is in here not paying
Speaker 4: attention to you, and he shouldn't be paying attention to
Speaker 4: you because there's a lot of beautiful women in here
Speaker 4: and everybody's drinking. Yeah, you decided to wear these motherfucking
Speaker 4: expensive slides in this spot. He ain't paying attention to you.
Speaker 4: Why are you actually upset? In reality? Bro? So I
Speaker 4: had that moment with self and it was the perfect
Speaker 4: example of me going, yeah, you kind of bugging, and
Speaker 4: so I apologize to him for putting my foot under
Speaker 4: his foot. Mind you, I have my gun on me
Speaker 4: in here. And so the other thing is the next
Speaker 4: thought was, yeah, you got your gun on you in here.
Speaker 4: Who's to say that four out of five other motherfuckers
Speaker 4: in here don't got they gun on them too? So
Speaker 4: why is this thing that you decided to stunt with
Speaker 4: these expensive ass ugly ass slides.
Speaker 1: It ain't really worth nothing outside of what you pay for.
Speaker 4: And the women that know what these slides are, you
Speaker 4: still after him stepping on them, they're still going to
Speaker 4: be like, oh you got them, yasy side, You're still
Speaker 4: gonna leave here with something. This is a conversation that
Speaker 4: we have to have with our young men especially, and
Speaker 4: these are somebody experiences and examples that we use as
Speaker 4: the highlight before we even get really really into the
Speaker 4: nomenclature the safety component of the actual firearms. We tell
Speaker 4: your young brothers, like, listen, if you came here because
Speaker 4: you got opposition that you're trying to run down all later,
Speaker 4: this is not the space for you. It's just not.
Speaker 4: We are not here to teach people how to be violent.
Speaker 4: We are here to give you a high five if
Speaker 4: you are very skilled and avoiding conflict, de escalating conflict,
Speaker 4: and if you unfortunately have to stop conflict by using
Speaker 4: your firearm. We want to give you that high five
Speaker 4: because you stop an actual eminent threat to life, not
Speaker 4: because he stepped on your slides.
Speaker 1: Guns and gangs are the same thing, right They They
Speaker 1: both give you this weird type of power. And if
Speaker 1: you don't teach people at the home, how to be
Speaker 1: responsible with power. They will misuse power. It's just like
Speaker 1: joining the police force. You know, it's it's mark ass
Speaker 1: niggas that that get a job at the police force
Speaker 1: and abuse the power. It's mark ass niggas that start
Speaker 1: running with the hommies and abuse the power. It's mark
Speaker 1: as niggas that buy guns and abuse the power. And
Speaker 1: it's because they wasn't taught how to be powerful. One
Speaker 1: thing I give Olivia my mom wrestlers, sohold credit for it.
Speaker 1: She taught me how to have power. She taught me
Speaker 1: how to be powerful. And it's power, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean A bond They hitting me with lightning right
Speaker 1: and left, and I don't know if it's coming with
Speaker 1: a mic or not.
Speaker 3: I'm more looking back, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like whoa.
Speaker 3: At first, I.
Speaker 2: Thought, man, someone wants to throw something really too big
Speaker 2: down the trash shute.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was about Ronda Santa's town.
Speaker 1: I thought there was bombing Ronde Santa State farm. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting on that's why whatever. For sure, it's going to
Speaker 1: be another civil war the way this shit haven't. But
Speaker 1: I feel like I respect and the point I'm saying
Speaker 1: is what's crazy is this is the craziest because we
Speaker 1: usually don't do interviews, like we've never We just have
Speaker 1: conversations about things. But it's it's interesting to listen to
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and it's dope that you understand that
Speaker 1: you have to teach people and you call it, you know,
Speaker 1: like de escalation or conflict resolution, but how to handle power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because a gun, like like a gang, like the police
Speaker 1: force is a powerful thing. It's crazy to have thirty
Speaker 1: people behind you willing to push any agenda. Yeah, whether
Speaker 1: it's above the law or you know, outside of the law.
Speaker 4: My friend Thomas Massey, he's a public servant from the
Speaker 4: Great State of Kentucky. He's a libertarian, but he ran
Speaker 4: because I'm a libertarian.
Speaker 1: He ran as a reponant as a libertarian.
Speaker 4: A libertarian. The libertarian is the third largest political party.
Speaker 4: Big Boy from outcast is a libertarian for like twenty
Speaker 4: damn there thirty years. Most people identify or were introduced
Speaker 4: to libertarianism by an elder named Ron Paul. His son
Speaker 4: is named Ran Paul.
Speaker 1: He's a public sch but I don't know men about libertarian.
Speaker 4: Libertarianism is a basic all of the guys that created
Speaker 4: the founding documents, what they wrote down, however they handled
Speaker 4: that might have been different, but they were what's called
Speaker 4: classic liberals, which we would identify as libertarians today, right,
Speaker 4: And it basically means we don't want the government and
Speaker 4: our shit. Government should pretty much exist for on a
Speaker 4: national level, it should exist for a strong defense of
Speaker 4: foreign invasion and interstate commerce, like very limited involvement. For
Speaker 4: classic liberalism, classic liberalism, that word has been co opted.
Speaker 1: I see exactly.
Speaker 4: It's co opted the same way. Libertarians just believe. If
Speaker 4: you had to, if you had to like summarize it,
Speaker 4: it would be don't hurt people, don't take their stuff,
Speaker 4: and that includes the government. Right. This is why the
Speaker 4: Republicans and the Democrats work so hard to make sure,
Speaker 4: especially in black communities, libertarianism isn't even talked about. It's
Speaker 4: the third largest political party in America, and that's why
Speaker 4: they go out of their way to try to get
Speaker 4: libertarians off of the debate stage. Ron Paul was on
Speaker 4: there in twenty twelve, if I'm not mistaken, but there
Speaker 4: it's basically, you, as the government have no right. There
Speaker 4: should not be any government intervention on free market enterprise.
Speaker 4: You as the government should not be arresting people for
Speaker 4: the choices that they do with their bodies. So if
Speaker 4: I want to sell weed or if you want to
Speaker 4: smoke weed, you know, because cannabis is still Schedule one federally.
Speaker 4: But in essence, it's like, yo, we believe that the
Speaker 4: government have should have no involvement in that. We just
Speaker 4: feel like the police should come for actual crimes once called.
Speaker 4: So we believe that if there's no victim, there's no crime.
Speaker 3: So if usually no trolling around the neighborhood looking for
Speaker 3: a guy.
Speaker 4: Just looking and manufacturing crime. Right, there's never been a
Speaker 4: song called like fuck the firemen because firemen show up
Speaker 4: when all right, it's like, yo, we're not asking. And
Speaker 4: so we just believe in that, and we have fought
Speaker 4: very very hard to take over the areas like.
Speaker 1: A pure liberalism.
Speaker 3: Right right, It's like it's of the same rule.
Speaker 2: It's to leave us the f alone party, it's to
Speaker 2: keep government small party.
Speaker 3: It's the antis. It's lower taxes, lower intervention, lower opinion
Speaker 3: by the government. Just let us do our thing, we
Speaker 3: do it better leave us alone.
Speaker 1: So for shits and giggles, So for shits, and giggles.
Speaker 1: What's the separation of the modern liberal versus a classic liberal?
Speaker 4: The definition co opted. It's like they're very smart, they go,
Speaker 4: we need to take this rainbow. Initially, people that are
Speaker 4: Christian of the Christian faith, the rainbow was a symbol
Speaker 4: for God's promise of returning. They took that and switched.
Speaker 4: They're very very sharp with that. So now what liberal
Speaker 4: because of anything goes? Like you have the they have
Speaker 4: a liberal agenda where anything goes, So that word could
Speaker 4: kind of fit. Libertarians believe and classic liberals believe, Yeah,
Speaker 4: anything does go as long as there's you within your space.
Speaker 4: Now what's happening is classic current model.
Speaker 1: They're trying to change your mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything goes, but we are going to use the
Speaker 4: government to make you accept that everything goes. And we
Speaker 4: say everything should go for your child too.
Speaker 3: So everything that we say goes, nothing that you say goes.
Speaker 3: Insofar as if we disagree.
Speaker 4: Liberal classic liberals were like, yeah, anything that you want
Speaker 4: to do is cool if you're in a consenting adult
Speaker 4: and the government should have no say in it. The
Speaker 4: current definition of what's being presented as the definition of
Speaker 4: liberal is we believe that anything could say goes, and
Speaker 4: we're going to use the weight of the state to
Speaker 4: force you to do it by creating laws and then
Speaker 4: using our shooters law enforcement to come enforce that if.
Speaker 1: You violate, which which kind of conflicts with the idea
Speaker 1: because liberty our original like you said, a libertarian or
Speaker 1: a liberty person will believe in the gun.
Speaker 4: Right. And if you want to do something that I
Speaker 4: think is immoral, if you're doing it if every Wednesday, bro,
Speaker 4: as long as it is not violating property or the
Speaker 4: human's largest property, which will most impactful property, which is
Speaker 4: someone's body, because that's the most important property that you have.
Speaker 4: If you want to on your land, slather yourself up
Speaker 4: in butter naked in your backyard every Wednesday, that don't
Speaker 4: got a fucking thing to do with me at all.
Speaker 4: If you get a group of people and you the
Speaker 4: butter gang and on Wednesdays that's what y'all do, that
Speaker 4: don't have nothing to do. Now if I think it's immoral,
Speaker 4: the best thing that I could do is, yo, don't
Speaker 4: put that in the public space and just ignore y'all
Speaker 4: as the butter gang. We don't care what current day
Speaker 4: people do. Is and conservatives have fallen do because conservatism is,
Speaker 4: and the Republicans were initially about detecting the rights of
Speaker 4: the smallest republic, which is the individual. Their argument was similarly,
Speaker 4: they want to they the butter game. That's what they do.
Speaker 4: That don't have shit to do with us. We think
Speaker 4: it's morally reprehensible. So we're not gonna be the butter game.
Speaker 4: That's it when you start. And that's the fundamental difference
Speaker 4: between limited government, which is what every hood in America
Speaker 4: should be, every black person not limited to but every
Speaker 4: person under a certain socioeconomic space should one hundred percent
Speaker 4: become libertarian. You should one hundred percent do it because
Speaker 4: it's the only party that's gonna advocate for Yo. If
Speaker 4: you you know what fentanyl is gonna do to your body,
Speaker 4: you know that it's gonna fuck you up, just like
Speaker 4: alcohol will fuck you up over time. I smoke cigars,
Speaker 4: if I smoke too many of them over time, I answer, bro, like,
Speaker 4: that's just the reality. Sure, the government will dictate which
Speaker 4: one is okay or lawful and which one is unlawful
Speaker 4: based on which one they choose to tax. That's it,
Speaker 4: because again, the government is the mob. Libertarians is the
Speaker 4: only political party that will say, yo, if he want
Speaker 4: to sell weed and it's a voluntary exchange, and if
Speaker 4: she want to buy the weed and she got the
Speaker 4: money and he not forcing her to buy it, and
Speaker 4: he not forcing her to smoke it, the government don't
Speaker 4: have shit to do with that at all. We are
Speaker 4: the only party that will openly advocate for YO. Taxation
Speaker 4: is theft you because you're the government with the threat
Speaker 4: of force and sending somebody with guns to come put
Speaker 4: you in jail because I did not want to give
Speaker 4: you a cut of my money that I worked for.
Speaker 4: That's what taxation is. You are taking money out of
Speaker 4: my check that I am not okay with, with the
Speaker 4: threat of force or coercion. If any other body or
Speaker 4: organization does that, they will get hit with a Rico Act.
Speaker 1: Off top facts by.
Speaker 4: Arians are the only political people that will say, no,
Speaker 4: this is wrong. We should end this war on drugs.
Speaker 4: We should end this thick ass war on terror going
Speaker 4: into people's other countries. We got enough shit that we
Speaker 4: need to be focused on in America. We need the
Speaker 4: hoods are fucked up, and I get it. People say, well,
Speaker 4: it's not as poor as certain countries, and I agree
Speaker 4: with that. When I'm in Jamaica sometimes and I see
Speaker 4: homes that don't got a front door on it, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: you not really You got an iPhone. Bro, you're not
Speaker 4: really poor, right, but it's still relative. We could fix
Speaker 4: that quality of.
Speaker 1: Lis that hands down. And I tried to explain this
Speaker 1: to somebody. It's like, the problem is I grew up
Speaker 1: in Compton and watched my whole life, my mom lived
Speaker 1: in Conton, my dad lived and watch wealth is fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes away. That is torture. Yeah, imagine like there's a
Speaker 1: head of big mac. Back to the big Mac. There's
Speaker 1: a big mac right above your head, and you see
Speaker 1: it every day and you just keep jumping trying to
Speaker 1: it's going to drive you crazy. And that's why the
Speaker 1: community where we are so Yes, if you go to
Speaker 1: tj or Jamaica, you know, you go to Tijuana or Jamaica,
Speaker 1: that's true third world poverty. But the wealth is also
Speaker 1: not fifteen fucking minutes away, right, They're way over here.
Speaker 1: You know, you go downtown. I called downtown in La
Speaker 1: Got Them City because wealth and poverty is mingling together,
Speaker 1: and you wonder why these people eventually may slap it.
Speaker 3: It's a differentiated by a parking structure.
Speaker 4: Right, it's vertical arians believe that. And that's our new
Speaker 4: thing is we repurposed in BLM. It's the Black Libertarian movement.
Speaker 4: That's what that shit stands for. I would not repurpose
Speaker 4: that ship if the ownership of the BLM incorporated. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that Black Lives Matter as a movement in
Speaker 4: a phrase, it's not true. But the ownership they did,
Speaker 4: they did silly shit with the bread like they did
Speaker 4: like that's just I And I'm not saying it's in
Speaker 4: an arrogant sit but I work at Black Or with
Speaker 4: less than three hundred thousand and less than three years,
Speaker 4: made the black community block by more guns than almost
Speaker 4: at any time in American history with a little bit
Speaker 4: of elbow grease and a little a couple dollars, Right,
Speaker 4: So we repurposing that, and we're merging the gun community
Speaker 4: and the liberty community and making those lessons available in
Speaker 4: its next run of classes for the next year or two,
Speaker 4: and getting people to change their political affiliation. Politics is
Speaker 4: how we move the world's resources. And if you're not
Speaker 4: involved in politics, because you know, people say I don't
Speaker 4: get involved in politics, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: In what Deebo say. You're gonna get involved, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: knock your glass out.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's it's you ain't interested in it.
Speaker 3: You're already involved.
Speaker 4: You're here.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Pete, go ahead, Pete. What were you saying?
Speaker 3: I'll ask a quick question. Obviously, you know Philadelphia is not.
Speaker 2: A real gun friendly municipality. Yeah, do you either there
Speaker 2: or in other places? Are are or are you starting
Speaker 2: to get Have you dealt with either subtle overt you
Speaker 2: know what, kind of like pushback from like, hey dude,
Speaker 2: you're you're doing something that we're not particularly fond of here.
Speaker 4: So two things happen when we first started in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: They're smart. They do things like they'll ignore our work
Speaker 4: or act like we're not doing it, which is smart.
Speaker 4: The Breakfast Club does that to me, right, my man, Van,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to put them on, you know, under
Speaker 4: the table. But I have not been on higher learning
Speaker 4: podcasts for similar reason. And it's not a disc. It's
Speaker 4: not a it's not a disc that all Van had
Speaker 4: me on TMZ on on the red Pill podcast and
Speaker 4: all of that, right, But every situation, it's a smart
Speaker 4: chess move. I'm not I'm influential and powerful. I'm not
Speaker 4: as popular as it makes sense for them to give
Speaker 4: me their platform, right, because if you put me on
Speaker 4: a long format platform, I'm gonna I'm gonna there's there's
Speaker 4: too many things that I'm gonna talk about that you're
Speaker 4: gonna be like, oh no, that shit makes sense. Right,
Speaker 4: And so the local government does the same thing. Right.
Speaker 4: When we first started in Philly, we did our classes
Speaker 4: directly across the street from the licensing unit. Right. We
Speaker 4: would help people fill out their paperwork, we would help
Speaker 4: them take their picture, we would put them in an
Speaker 4: envelope and send them across the street. We sent like
Speaker 4: ten thousand people over there. Right, they moved the licensing unit.
Speaker 1: I gotta love the government. They so awesome because what
Speaker 1: is I tell my homeboys, my older homies all the time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, couzin, if we want to run the hood correctly,
Speaker 1: all we have to do is stare at the government.
Speaker 1: That's how you run a hood correct.
Speaker 4: Yep. When when we moved, when they move, right, they
Speaker 4: moved it to a more industrial part of Philly, right
Speaker 4: on the east side over there about like the Coca
Speaker 4: Cola bottling all that right, and they changed the hours.
Speaker 4: You gotta do it by appointment and it gotta be
Speaker 4: from like nine thirty in the morning to one o'clock
Speaker 4: in the afternoon when most people are at work. Right
Speaker 4: when COVID happened, they was like, oh, oh, oh, it's
Speaker 4: perfect time.
Speaker 1: Manys can't even come in here.
Speaker 4: Now, you can't come in here, you.
Speaker 1: Can't get an appointment there.
Speaker 4: Why don't you just make it online? Like everything else
Speaker 4: in the universe is online. And they tried to give
Speaker 4: it pushback, and then we an organization that we work with,
Speaker 4: Firearms Policy Coalition, was like, we're gonna sue you. You
Speaker 4: cannot to deny a fundamental right to these people during
Speaker 4: this time. If you don't make this available online, we're
Speaker 4: gonna sue you. So then they started making it online
Speaker 4: and the licenses to carry continue to go up. But
Speaker 4: they we so what they do is we don't get
Speaker 4: pushed back because to push back against me means you
Speaker 4: got to talk about me, and better.
Speaker 3: For them just ignore you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're having a lowest learners scandal waiting to happen,
Speaker 2: where your tax exempt you know.
Speaker 3: I r S. Your licensing is a business is going
Speaker 3: to be you know, oh.
Speaker 4: We we we we actually gonna I'm like you like
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King for black guns. Yeah, that's that's the model.
Speaker 4: And did y'all know that doctor King was actually a
Speaker 4: gun owner?
Speaker 1: I would imagine, so you better have a fucking gun.
Speaker 4: He applied for his license to carry, they denied him.
Speaker 1: The whole might be a shot, motherfuckers, that whole fucking
Speaker 1: non violence. You could get fishy, right, And so that's crazy,
Speaker 1: so get back to wait a minute. So they threatened
Speaker 1: to sue them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they threatened to sue him, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 4: we'll make it available online. And we just started showing
Speaker 4: people how to do it online and record numbers of
Speaker 4: people lining up to go get their license to carry
Speaker 4: over the same thing in Philadelphia. Since we've been doing
Speaker 4: this work in Philly, licenses to carry have consistently, on
Speaker 4: average increased over two hundred percent. And as somebody that
Speaker 4: openly tells our students, I don't have a license to carry,
Speaker 4: I'm not getting one, but will help you get one,
Speaker 4: what we ask is that once we help you, we
Speaker 4: help you, we want you to get politically active so
Speaker 4: you can overturn the process of needing a license to
Speaker 4: carry by making Pennsylvania an open carry or constitutional carry
Speaker 4: state because it is an open carried state. But Philadelphia,
Speaker 4: since it's the largest city in the state of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: they try to make different rules for Philly that are
Speaker 4: different for the state constitution. Even though that's unconstitutional. Way
Speaker 4: see who tries it in the court, you know, But
Speaker 4: we don't get pushed back that way. I've openly challenged
Speaker 4: for years now. At this point, I've challenged and Charlemagne
Speaker 4: is one hundred familiar with our work, you know, And
Speaker 4: I would love to have that sit down. It's it's needed. Charlemagne.
Speaker 1: And you think see is anti guns, gave like. I
Speaker 1: don't think Charlamagne is anti guns.
Speaker 4: He not.
Speaker 1: He for sure got guns.
Speaker 4: He's a gun owner. And Charlemagne, I guarantee you his
Speaker 4: taxes don't reflect it. He's a Democrat either. I one
Speaker 4: hundred percent know that he knows how to handle that
Speaker 4: tax code. I think that he's speaking up in certain
Speaker 4: areas for black people, But when it comes to the
Speaker 4: conversation around guns and having me on listen, I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to say this in a rude way. Too,
Speaker 4: because I gotta be careful because the Hollywood ship is
Speaker 4: a different world. I don't want anyone to take me
Speaker 4: being me, having a expressing my opinion as a direct
Speaker 4: disrespect for these gentlemen, because it's I think that him
Speaker 4: not having me on is doing a disservice. I am.
Speaker 4: This is not me sounding arrogant. There is literally metrics
Speaker 4: that proved the time that we started doing Black Guns
Speaker 4: Matter and the increase in black gun ownership. It's it's
Speaker 4: not even it's We are cited in the unis United
Speaker 4: States Supreme Court for the New York State Brewing decision
Speaker 4: in New York, Black Guns Matter worked with organizations. We
Speaker 4: are cited in the United States Supreme Court for that
Speaker 4: Brewing decision overturning this fake rule that in the state
Speaker 4: of New York you cannot carry a firearm on your person.
Speaker 4: That was about a year some changeable. My point in
Speaker 4: saying that is we've helped black people. We express the justice,
Speaker 4: we express defending our community. We express conflict resolution, de escalation,
Speaker 4: and if you use a firearm to attack people in
Speaker 4: our communities, we are pro you going the fuck to jail.
Speaker 1: Willing to go to jail. So let me ask you
Speaker 1: a question on a macro level, right, Okay, so I
Speaker 1: believe on a micro level, the government like let's say
Speaker 1: a place like New York where the population is super
Speaker 1: over you know what I mean, is overfield like soup, overpopulated. Right,
Speaker 1: New York is overpopulated. It can't just be completely like,
Speaker 1: we can't tax everybody. That's not why we want you
Speaker 1: to carry guns. There has to be some level of
Speaker 1: fear to control violence, right in some degree.
Speaker 4: That's not their reason. The data over the last forty years,
Speaker 4: few decades, doctor John Lott wrote an amazing book. It's
Speaker 4: called More Guns, Less Crime. He's an actual like he
Speaker 4: fucked with them stats. Yeah, he'll toss his own all. Right,
Speaker 4: this may be true, but what about this, Let's try
Speaker 4: to disprove it. He's one of those dudes. All of
Speaker 4: the areas that have more firearms owners, statistically not manipulated numbers,
Speaker 4: have lower violent crime. There are statistically for decades safer
Speaker 4: over the last thirty to forty years. As licenses to
Speaker 4: carry in America nationally have increased outside of a few
Speaker 4: spikes and in certain areas, and those areas are usually
Speaker 4: also anti gun areas. The areas where there has been
Speaker 4: more gun ownership in America, over the same thirty years,
Speaker 4: thirty to forty years, violent crime has decreased. That is
Speaker 4: the trend as licenses to carry means safe and responsible
Speaker 4: firearms owners, not that you only are a safe, responsible.
Speaker 1: Fire the concept of the concept of you know, everybody
Speaker 1: got a gun, so you're gonna be careful what you
Speaker 1: do to a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: So robberies, breaking, breaking, the enery being ease. Great homicide
Speaker 4: statistically down in all of those areas. So when New York,
Speaker 4: this is the component that's left out of the conversation
Speaker 4: that we came in on with Black Guns matter that
Speaker 4: we highlighted was the reality is after emancipation, there were
Speaker 4: a lot of black folk that fled the South and
Speaker 4: went to these big cities. These big cities were.
Speaker 1: La Chicago, New York.
Speaker 4: All of these hell of black places. That is where
Speaker 4: the concentration of gun control went because gun control was
Speaker 4: literally started in America having guns stop black people from
Speaker 4: having guns. New York is there is a.
Speaker 1: Fast Yeah, that ship is crap. I remember when fucking
Speaker 1: tune when Dwayne I was with Baby and them at
Speaker 1: the time, Sony Cash Money, when he got popping. No
Speaker 1: matter what he spent, he was going to fucking prison
Speaker 1: for having a gun on his tour bus.
Speaker 4: Not not he shot somebody, not on his person. Think
Speaker 4: about this. This person went to jail for a constitutional.
Speaker 1: Prison, prison to prison for owning a gun on a
Speaker 1: tour bus. That's crazy when you really think about it.
Speaker 1: And let me ask you a question before we get
Speaker 1: too far, like, you know, trying to make sure that
Speaker 1: I asked all the stuff I think, would you consider
Speaker 1: yourself a black nationalist at that point? A nationalist?
Speaker 4: I'm American as fuck. America made me this way.
Speaker 1: But would that make you like a nationalist to a degree?
Speaker 1: Like where you believe in the values that these are
Speaker 1: your constitutional rights.
Speaker 4: I believe that because it's that's the way that its codified.
Speaker 4: But they come from human rights, they come from natural law,
Speaker 4: they come from nature. Sure, they just wrote it down
Speaker 4: in a way that I could use it, and that's
Speaker 4: the founding documents of this place.
Speaker 1: So let's say if you went to Japan right where
Speaker 1: you know nobody has guns, the police don't have guns.
Speaker 1: Like Japan is crazy, right, there's no guns. Would you
Speaker 1: feel the same need as a human to carry a
Speaker 1: weapon there.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a gun in Japan. I'ma get I'm
Speaker 4: one hundred percent if I'm in Japan, I got a
Speaker 4: gun if I bought and ship the three D printer
Speaker 4: first and it's there, and I took in my carry
Speaker 4: on case, I took a barrel, you know, and got
Speaker 4: the AMMO somehow. Sh I'm gonna get it. I got
Speaker 4: a gun in Japan. I'm I'm, I'm I'm first of all.
Speaker 1: So you really feel like it's a human right.
Speaker 4: It is, it is you are born. The beauty of
Speaker 4: This is why I get pushbacks. This is an area
Speaker 4: that I do get picked because I understand why those
Speaker 4: dudes that wrote the Founding documents the way that they
Speaker 4: wrote them. They came from an oppressive regime, even though they.
Speaker 1: Did a lot of yeah yeah, hands down, came from.
Speaker 4: When it came to black.
Speaker 1: I always say that they like, how were you running
Speaker 1: away from this place that you felt treated you bad?
Speaker 1: And then you make new versions? Right, you didn't like York, England,
Speaker 1: that's why you came here. Why would you make a
Speaker 1: New York. You didn't like Hampshire, you didn't like none
Speaker 1: of these play but you keep making you didn't like
Speaker 1: jam England, but you're gonna come here and make New Jersey, right,
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm gonna do this better. No.
Speaker 4: I like the documents themselves, the people that we don't
Speaker 4: talk about and the media does not talk about. They
Speaker 4: don't talk about Thomas Pain, they don't talk about George Mason,
Speaker 4: they don't talk about Samuel Adams, they don't talk about
Speaker 4: those guys that told the Founders was like, dude, we
Speaker 4: cannot do the slavery shit. It's wrong. Nobody talks about
Speaker 4: those dudes, and I'll be reading them type of dudes.
Speaker 4: And I understand. I don't. I think cattle slavery was
Speaker 4: fucked up. Sure, I also recognize that in order for
Speaker 4: them on a certain level of politic they was like,
Speaker 4: look they the people that own the humans happen too.
Speaker 4: And it was a small section. So I understand context
Speaker 4: and nuanced. Where I do get pushed is I use
Speaker 4: those documents in America's America, because those were the ones
Speaker 4: that these are y'all rules. I didn't make this ship up.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm I'm about this liberty shit. I'm about
Speaker 4: this freedom shit. I want to go. I do not
Speaker 4: fuck with the government. I am George Washington. If y'all
Speaker 4: believe in this, George Washington, dude cool. I believe that
Speaker 4: the people should have the right to keep in bear arms.
Speaker 4: And if you're in the way, George Washington and his
Speaker 4: squad on Christmas Eve got in the boat took it
Speaker 4: over the river to go kill their opposition for freedom.
Speaker 4: I feel the same way. So if you want to,
Speaker 4: I say American, because they recognized that they had a
Speaker 4: human right and all they did was write down those
Speaker 4: natural lights. They pulled rights. They pulled that stuff from Robespierre, Bastiat,
Speaker 4: those French revolutionary and as I don't fuck with nobody
Speaker 4: say them French motherfuckers. Get they over there tearing the
Speaker 4: fucking government up right.
Speaker 3: Now, Everyone's head off.
Speaker 1: They don't play, they don't play about that shit.
Speaker 4: And so when when if I was landed in Japan,
Speaker 4: them saying just because y'all don't understand these human rights
Speaker 4: and your government didn't create a documenting system to codify that,
Speaker 4: that don't got shit to do with me. I stand
Speaker 4: on what I stand on because I was born here
Speaker 4: and I have a human right wherever I go to.
Speaker 1: Have but especially here, especially here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and Bro, I'm not. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: I didn't make enough money and serve enough of my
Speaker 4: community to be kicking it the fuck in Japan. Like
Speaker 4: I understand people that are really really popular and famous,
Speaker 4: like Andre three thousand, he gonna go to Japan or
Speaker 4: Kanye they gonna go to Japan and kind of chill out. Right.
Speaker 4: I haven't done enough and had enough stress and succeeded
Speaker 4: enough for me to fucking take a vacation when I
Speaker 4: could find a vacation. I got Wi Fi everywhere in America.
Speaker 4: If I saved three million lives, then maybe I'll think
Speaker 4: about taking the vacation in the last still where I
Speaker 4: could have a gun or or you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: or Hawaii or you know what I mean. Like, but
Speaker 4: me going to some other country that's not going to
Speaker 4: respect my human rights, you know, like the sister that
Speaker 4: just went over to Dubai and she just got locked
Speaker 4: up for raising her voice at a dude at the
Speaker 4: car rental spot, and they trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: they about the Brittany grinder her ass, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They said she did, she did a little bit more,
Speaker 1: they said she was, but I saw some of the
Speaker 1: videos where she was popping it and you and it's different.
Speaker 1: I don't know why niggas take their ass over there
Speaker 1: playing with the people mean either that's a miracle. I
Speaker 1: do not want to go to the birds from Dubai,
Speaker 1: but I do not get to go to a well
Speaker 1: built desert man.
Speaker 4: Listen, The question then becomes, okay, when I take this flight, right, okay,
Speaker 4: I give I've given away six hundred grands to serve
Speaker 4: our communities. Right, did you succeed yet? So you're about
Speaker 4: to take how long the flight is to go over there?
Speaker 4: You're gonna do the same ship I would have did
Speaker 4: in Miami, or I would have did in Philly at
Speaker 4: a real cool, little chill pickback spot. You're gonna eat food,
Speaker 4: but you.
Speaker 1: And then you Dubai.
Speaker 4: You can't even drink. You can't drink their dry city.
Speaker 4: You can't smoke. What what? What the fuck? Like?
Speaker 2: No, whatever money you saved on the hotel, you blew
Speaker 2: already on the front end on the on the air fare.
Speaker 3: What we're talking about?
Speaker 4: And and and and then me, I'm like, low key
Speaker 4: like a pastor. I have to be very careful as
Speaker 4: a community leader. You know, I've I've tried to clean up.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm cussing a little bit more because for
Speaker 4: this platform, because that's how I feel. But when I'm
Speaker 4: talking on certain platforms, and even when I'm tweeting, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, it's certain shit, I'll reword it,
Speaker 4: not because I'm trying to censor mystood, right, And so
Speaker 4: I have to. If I take a flight, I'm flying
Speaker 4: on Emirates and it's a long flight, which means I'm
Speaker 4: gonna want to fly a very very business class. That's
Speaker 4: you're looking at a minimum of two to five grand
Speaker 4: for the flight cans. Then so then then when my
Speaker 4: following goes, damn bro, I just donated two hundred dollars
Speaker 4: to your work? Is that? Is that? Even though it
Speaker 4: wouldn't be. But I don't want to put myself in
Speaker 4: a position of even questions, Damn bro.
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King was the same way. I don't want
Speaker 1: to confuse people.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, And so I'm just not interested.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the Japanese and all of them different places.
Speaker 4: We got so much work to do for my for
Speaker 4: our people, for Americans.
Speaker 1: And I say, you gotta start your facts.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it like I say the black community
Speaker 4: because that's where I live and that's where.
Speaker 1: But you understand what but you understand what that means.
Speaker 1: You mean poor people across America, right, And so we
Speaker 1: just happened to be the face of poor me. And
Speaker 1: Pete was talking about this and hip hop and I
Speaker 1: was like, there's this belief and I don't say it often,
Speaker 1: but there's a belief that hip hop is black. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, hip hop is street urban. We're just the
Speaker 1: face of the street urban community. But we've also talked
Speaker 1: about the direct influences of Irish and Italian street life. Right,
Speaker 1: That's why you have people naming themselves capone and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah or you the Latino shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. All of these influences, Jewish, street urban cultures
Speaker 1: all play a part in it, even if we act
Speaker 1: like we ignore their influence into street urban lifestyle.
Speaker 4: And to act like you're gonna s I'm a huge
Speaker 4: fan of fifty set. Man, I'm gonna try to work
Speaker 4: to like do some acting, and I'm just gonna do
Speaker 4: everything because the world is available to us, all right,
Speaker 4: why not? Yeah? And I he had a mixtape run
Speaker 4: and then a transition. The only person that I seen
Speaker 4: win and be counted out and when this big and
Speaker 4: multiple spaces is like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Speaker 4: and like fifty, it's the only people that I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: you know wow. And I'm saying that to say there's
Speaker 4: a there's a a respect for someone that understands where
Speaker 4: they come from and also acknowledges. My first album sold
Speaker 4: sixteen million records. You a damn fool if you think
Speaker 4: that's only black people buying my shit, Yeah, you're out
Speaker 4: of your mind.
Speaker 1: I just had a conversation with a god today on
Speaker 1: Spaces good Brother, and he was, you know, he was
Speaker 1: pro black, and I'm pro black. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I understood it. But he started off the conversation explaining
Speaker 1: to me how the white power structure has in power
Speaker 1: Eminem and other black people don't think he's number one.
Speaker 1: And he was like, Glasses, I like your music, You're
Speaker 1: better than Eminem. I had to start the conversation like,
Speaker 1: first off, Nigga, I am not better than Eminem. When
Speaker 1: I was actually selling PCP and shooting and low riding
Speaker 1: that nigga was rapping. Yeah, then there's this weird confusion
Speaker 1: that there's this separation in street urban code and it's not.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate the work you're doing because I
Speaker 1: could imagine there's probably some poor all kind of people
Speaker 1: that came to you to be able to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get gun license. And the term black doesn't
Speaker 1: represent I don't think the term black in America has
Speaker 1: ever represented skin. It's always represented how people treated you, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Like even the wealthiest nigga will
Speaker 1: still get treated like he's black.
Speaker 4: That cop don't know what. I've never seen you in
Speaker 4: this motherfucking gated community.
Speaker 1: With you finna get this work. You're finna get this
Speaker 1: work and reverse my.
Speaker 4: White homies from like a good a guy that I'm
Speaker 4: a fan of his music from Philly and we've had
Speaker 4: slight conversation here and there's O T the real buff
Speaker 4: will the real music right. That shit is motherfucker. He
Speaker 4: them details is accurate. If he, as a white dude,
Speaker 4: was in certain areas, that black cop or that white
Speaker 4: cop will be like, oh you must be here to
Speaker 4: cop drugs, Pete, you.
Speaker 3: A certain I've been pulled over so many times that
Speaker 3: Long Beach Boulevard and would have.
Speaker 2: Century fig They're pulling me over because they think I'm
Speaker 2: buying pussy. This happened to be. I've been pulled over
Speaker 2: on dinner dates.
Speaker 1: Did you feel like I would never I could imagine
Speaker 1: the look in your face, knowing you about paying for pussy?
Speaker 1: Jail and Miami.
Speaker 2: They pulled me over because they thought I was buying
Speaker 2: pussy from a Haitian girl.
Speaker 1: And that is not like you would be so like
Speaker 1: that is like Pete's like our glasses.
Speaker 4: No, it's And That's what I'm saying. We all when
Speaker 4: we're able to, and that's why I'm able to do
Speaker 4: it kind of with having a conversation around the founders,
Speaker 4: their contradictions, patriots, adding people in that the general public
Speaker 4: witness so shit with the word patriot. I'm talking about
Speaker 4: Frederick Douglass, I'm talking Nat Turner, I'm talking about John Brown,
Speaker 4: I'm talking.
Speaker 1: About most people would not really think of Nat Turner
Speaker 1: as a patriot. And I agree, when you understand what
Speaker 1: a patriot is, he fits exactly. But even the term
Speaker 1: like from street urban snitch, that's not a term that
Speaker 1: started today. This is back in those days, you would
Speaker 1: look at a motherfucker that's telling on the rebellion as
Speaker 1: a snitch. I'm sure when when they were trying to
Speaker 1: establish the colonies and people was running back telling England,
Speaker 1: they called them motherfucker.
Speaker 3: If they called you a Benedict Arnold for two hundred
Speaker 3: years on.
Speaker 4: The fact, two terms for it. You was a Benedict
Speaker 4: Arnold and you was if you was the person that
Speaker 4: we was concerned that you would go tell the Redcoats.
Speaker 4: They called them a loyalist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are oppressors. Oh uncle, So even though we misphrase
Speaker 1: it Uncle Tom, I was the original Uncle Tom in America,
Speaker 1: a loyalist.
Speaker 4: I hit him. When people try to hit me with
Speaker 4: the Uncle Tom, I'll be like, thank.
Speaker 1: You because you don't even know who that is.
Speaker 4: And then I hit them. Bro, you mean to call
Speaker 4: me a sambo or chiambo, that's what you mean to
Speaker 4: hit me with. So it's the educational moment and these
Speaker 4: these classes, and.
Speaker 1: I still I still kick their ass because I know
Speaker 1: you're trying to disrespect it that I'm gonna kick your
Speaker 1: ass with me in time for disrespecting time out here
Speaker 1: trying to disrespect me. I am like, Uncle Tom, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kick your ass for trying to disrespect time like
Speaker 1: time wasn't with all the bullshit shit y'all it's all love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah man, it's just the work man. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna try my best to.
Speaker 1: I'm appreciative man. You know what's funny, Like when we
Speaker 1: started those celings, it was never to do an interview,
Speaker 1: and this still wasn't an interview, but it was one
Speaker 1: of the most refreshing pridcasts where I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: I actually understand your plight. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It makes sense to me, and I caner. I don't
Speaker 1: really back a lot of shout out to the d M.
Speaker 1: I don't back all that ship, man. Some of that
Speaker 1: ship just it's too built in survival and not thriving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't feed my hunger inside of me for
Speaker 1: greatness for people that come from where we come from,
Speaker 1: no matter what they look like, Like I like what
Speaker 1: you represent. It's not as much as it seems like
Speaker 1: surviving owning the gun. No, what's starting to thrive in
Speaker 1: the system that you're stuck in, Like, let's thrive here.
Speaker 1: Here's one of the first simplest, the second thing on
Speaker 1: the list of ship you should have accomplished. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, which is own right?
Speaker 3: If the if, the if, the uh.
Speaker 1: Uh, what are they not the damn Commandments, the damn Amendments.
Speaker 1: They're right if the second one is gun ownership because
Speaker 1: you for sure should have.
Speaker 2: A gun, and the first one should be the right
Speaker 2: to ask for it is free the speech, and the
Speaker 2: second one is the right to carry it.
Speaker 4: Then when you start unpacking that that list was the
Speaker 4: list that was designed by the anti federalists to make
Speaker 4: sure that like yo, this is a list of things
Speaker 4: to remind the government that they don't control that this
Speaker 4: that list, the Bill of Rights is a list for
Speaker 4: the people to the government, and most people don't know that.
Speaker 4: It's big. We get to shoot you, motherfuckers. Thomas Jefferson
Speaker 4: said the tree of liberty on occasion, I'm paraphrasing, the
Speaker 4: tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with the blood
Speaker 4: of tyrants and patriots. Like that's importantly saying. So when
Speaker 4: NWA was saying fuck the police, Thomas Jefferson was saying
Speaker 4: the same shit, and so like packaging that to the
Speaker 4: general public. Our demographic and removing that financial barrier to entry,
Speaker 4: where you're getting a little bit of civics, you're getting
Speaker 4: a little bit of liberty, you're getting a little bit
Speaker 4: of constant resolution, you get some stop the bleeding. There,
Speaker 4: you getting the safety, and you're getting the breakdown of firearms.
Speaker 4: This is what our work has been and we got
Speaker 4: a little bit over three of that thousand dollars left
Speaker 4: to raise. So like, if anybody listening to this, man,
Speaker 4: if you if you glean something from it.
Speaker 1: Go fuck with it. Dog, Please with it.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: I fuck with it.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: I really respect that. This is one of the first
Speaker 1: movements in a long time that I respect, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying where it's like, oh I understand.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: Of god, yeah, yeah, the idea does put people on
Speaker 1: the course to thriving, right, not not surviving. I'm tired
Speaker 1: of these movements built on survival because if you have
Speaker 1: to beg to survive, you're not really even living, right,
Speaker 1: You just existing. You're just existing. And it's like, please
Speaker 1: don't kill me, versus that shouldn't even be a thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah that fucking hands up, don't shoot ship.
Speaker 1: I'm just not lame as fuck.
Speaker 4: I'm just like you came into game surrenderings. I'm good, bro.
Speaker 4: I will I will. I will live for my community.
Speaker 4: I will, I will work for my community. I will
Speaker 4: serve my community. I will die for my community, and
Speaker 4: I will kill for my community. The only thing that
Speaker 4: if it crosses that line is if you're putting the
Speaker 4: people in my community, if you're putting their lives in
Speaker 4: imminent threat and danger, I have to stop that threat.
Speaker 1: And all the most patriotic thing you could do.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And so that's kind of
Speaker 4: like where we at and just you know, thank y'all
Speaker 4: man for even man, it.
Speaker 1: Was an honor, bro. Like I didn't even when Pete
Speaker 1: told me, I didn't really read it. It's people's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I want to do this. I'm like, let Pete don't.
Speaker 1: There's only so many ideas Pete, you know, talk about it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, this was really a cool.
Speaker 3: That's a nice way of saying Pete ain't got shipped
Speaker 3: to say that.
Speaker 1: Pete always got something to say. That's not true. But
Speaker 1: what it be is like when he talks about something,
Speaker 1: I feel like he always brings something to the table
Speaker 1: that's this one is super it's super polarizing because black
Speaker 1: people and guns by themselves are a polarizing combination, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like every historically, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, whether it's the Panthers, whether it's the crips,
Speaker 1: Black people and guns are historically, you know, a polarizing topic.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was dope.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to listen to it. I really would encourage
Speaker 1: everybody that's listening to you to really go search your
Speaker 1: movement and get down man, because I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the first this is one of the first movements
Speaker 1: that I've heard publicly being spoken on that I've heard
Speaker 1: that is trying to help black folks thrive or people
Speaker 1: that come from our communities to thrive. And that's dope.
Speaker 1: Take advantage of your rights, bro, Like, don't don't not
Speaker 1: take advantage of them, I mean, take advantage of them,
Speaker 1: because that's what thriving in America is all about. Surviving
Speaker 1: is when you don't really trip off none of the rules.
Speaker 1: You know, when you don't look at that, when you're
Speaker 1: scared to speak up because you know you're surviving, you're
Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum. When you don't own a gun,
Speaker 1: when you don't take advantage of the power that the
Speaker 1: founding fathers were in this country were trying to give you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean they wanted every scene, even when I read
Speaker 1: through them, they wanted every human being to feel powerful.
Speaker 4: Right, right, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, One thing I really really appreciate is like the
Speaker 2: intellectual honesty, not only like your genuineness, but you're also
Speaker 2: your intellectuality. One thing that gets lost in the conversation
Speaker 2: right now, I think in America broadly speaking, is everyone goes, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the nation's founders, as if it's one guy with one idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fact, And it's been a.
Speaker 2: Philosophical point of conflict since pre seventeen seventy six. I
Speaker 2: mean there's different people with different ideas, and people don't
Speaker 2: rate the ideas. They look at the lowest common denominator
Speaker 2: of guy in the room and demonize him for all
Speaker 2: the other ideas.
Speaker 1: And there are some.
Speaker 3: Valuable ideas that came out of those meetings and those people,
Speaker 3: and people should value the ideas.
Speaker 1: Just like gun ownership. Most ninety nine point nine percent
Speaker 1: of the people that own guns are not committing crimes.
Speaker 4: Bro, Like, I don't want to shoot nobody.
Speaker 1: Who really really ninety nine point ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: the population don't want to shoot people. It just happens
Speaker 1: to be when a person gets shot, they're like, they
Speaker 1: don't never do stories on a person that owns all
Speaker 1: these guns and never shot anybody, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? That would not be And it does make
Speaker 1: me think like maybe they're really you know, there are
Speaker 1: agendas that you know, that people are pushing for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's about taxes. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: because it don't make sense to this desire to be
Speaker 1: the area.
Speaker 3: Of access to power.
Speaker 4: It's a mixture of things. It's let's remove they people
Speaker 4: that are anti gun aren't anti gun. They because those
Speaker 4: people don't say, like you said, well then get rid
Speaker 4: of guns for the police too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they never say that or their private arm security.
Speaker 4: Right. They want a monopoly of force in the hands
Speaker 4: of the state. They want the general public to not
Speaker 4: have firearms, and they think that the police should have firearms.
Speaker 4: So they're not anti gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I said, I think they want
Speaker 1: my anti guns right, even when I expressed I wish
Speaker 1: I think no human beings should have guns. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they're totally a waste of time for most people.
Speaker 1: But I think nobody's having But if one person has one,
Speaker 1: I need all minds, hey, because I don't know what
Speaker 1: this nigga's on too.
Speaker 4: It's the mixture of we want to have a control
Speaker 4: over the people. We want to tax people that until
Speaker 4: we try, if we can't get it all the way
Speaker 4: gone and only in our hands as the state, we
Speaker 4: want to tax people for having it. We want to
Speaker 4: make people live in fear. We want to misinform people
Speaker 4: a stressed and you know, a person in survival mode.
Speaker 1: Stressed and fear turnument to batteries in the matrix.
Speaker 4: It's easy for me to get that person. But if
Speaker 4: I go, if I go, if I'm in a space
Speaker 4: where I know I want them in great shape, my
Speaker 4: cardios up, I hit the gym. I don't have to
Speaker 4: go lethal. I'm capable of going lethal. But if this
Speaker 4: goes crazy, First of all, my my situational awareness is
Speaker 4: at such that I seen that coming ahead of time,
Speaker 4: and I already won that fight because I avoided it.
Speaker 4: I am a powerful being. And if if everything fails,
Speaker 4: if I fail to recognize it, and now I'll find
Speaker 4: myself in that situation, I have the skill set to
Speaker 4: potentially get out. And now if I can't get out,
Speaker 4: I have the skill set to I practice Brazilian jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4: I could box you, I could run. I am going
Speaker 4: to run. If I can, I'm a run the fuck away.
Speaker 4: And if at the absolute last resort.
Speaker 1: I got to kick yours, I got to put I
Speaker 1: got to push your shit back, I know what I
Speaker 1: gotta do.
Speaker 4: There's a certain level of power that I'm aware of
Speaker 4: anywhere that I go on this planet that I'm like,
Speaker 4: cause the firearms really just a tool. I'm the motherfucking weapon.
Speaker 4: And so like that, that thought process that damn there
Speaker 4: becomes part and parcel with your journey as a gun owner,
Speaker 4: because if you if you, if you know, I know
Speaker 4: guys that were super fat and then started getting guns
Speaker 4: and was like, yo, I got to hit the gym.
Speaker 4: It's a natural impression.
Speaker 1: If the if the sheer power of it don't take
Speaker 1: you out, you realize how much power you start to
Speaker 1: have as it. But that's what I say. It's all
Speaker 1: about being taught how to thrive, and and I agree,
Speaker 1: I never thought about those rights like that. Those are
Speaker 1: all things to help you thrive in America and and
Speaker 1: people are taking them away to make human beings, to
Speaker 1: put human beings in survival mode. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, without the right to without the freedom of speech,
Speaker 1: to be prosecuted based off of the things you say.
Speaker 1: I guess, okay, if you don't want to like me,
Speaker 1: or if this company doesn't okay, if PEPSI saying, okay, glasses,
Speaker 1: I don't like your crypt, so I don't want to
Speaker 1: do business with you because you're saying you're a crypt
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. But to be secuted by the
Speaker 1: government for saying that I'm a crypt, I mean, or
Speaker 1: anything that I want to say, to be prosecuted, it
Speaker 1: puts you into like a weak state where you have
Speaker 1: to kind of you're bracing yourself or you know. And
Speaker 1: that goes into you know, the right to bear arms,
Speaker 1: all of these things that give you power and you
Speaker 1: will be okay in this country. All the things that
Speaker 1: give you power and make you feel like you're going
Speaker 1: to be okay in this country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, man, I think that's a great
Speaker 4: place to leave it.
Speaker 1: Ye, my man, I appreciate you, brother. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: sure I put all of your socials in the comments.
Speaker 1: We don't really do all of the ship on the talk,
Speaker 1: but it'll be in the socials and the comments, man.
Speaker 1: And I'm for sure gonna show love and and really
Speaker 1: get down man if you need any help from me.
Speaker 1: And I'm damn dog watch would like that. Watching Contor
Speaker 1: would really.
Speaker 4: Like that in the in the late fall, Yo, Man,
Speaker 4: I'll come over to l A.
Speaker 1: Like I'll bring you to the side. I'll bring you
Speaker 1: to Watching Contor where that'll be really dope and and helpful.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: People really need to enjoy yo.
Speaker 4: Y'all know y'all had one of the one of our
Speaker 4: first classes in l A was in Remember that. Remember
Speaker 4: that gun range that Tupac was in. We had to
Speaker 4: Carl Kana shirt on it. He was loading up and talking.
Speaker 1: To the end. Now I wouldn't even know. Look, it
Speaker 1: was on.
Speaker 4: Elsa Gundo Boulevard. It was called Evans Training. It was
Speaker 4: a gun range. It was one of three black owned
Speaker 4: gun ranges in America.
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did that. It's mister mister Evans. He was retired.
Speaker 4: He was an African American elder. He was a retired
Speaker 4: law enforcement officer. And that was our very first class
Speaker 4: in in Compton and uh then we did one another one.
Speaker 4: Uh Tommy larn from Fox came to it. That was
Speaker 4: that another gun range over there.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do it again, man, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure we link up.
Speaker 3: When you go, I'll go, I'll be there right man.
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