WEBVTT - Starved w/ Veronica Cartwright 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:29.159 These are our stories, Done done, Hello and welcome to 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.480 That's Messed Up n SVU podcast. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.599 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.559 We talked SVU crimes, celeb guests. It's really a podcast 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.920 that has it all New York's hottest club if you 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.760 know you know, Okay, so Karra, I guess the biggest 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.120 thing in our lives is we did see the Backstreet Boys. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.440 Oh my god, we did. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:54.680 Truly one of the best nights of my life. I 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.600 can't stop smiling about it. And they really just played 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.000 hit after hit and then sneak in a new one 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.240 from their new hit album DNA, and then mentioned DNA. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.520 They brought their kids on stage, and like, I think 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.720 for me, you know, we don't get like I felt 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.000 so surprised at the encore because they did I want 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.280 it that way before the encore. Then they come back 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.680 and they're doing a new song I don't really know, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.520 and I'm like, what the fuck are they gonna end 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.759 on what the fuck what is going on? And then 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.479 to surprise us with larger than life and a full 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.840 fireworks confetti show at the Hollywood Bowl, Like, are you 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:31.679 fucking kidding? 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.679 It was really, it was really an experience. I had 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.360 so much fun. And a shout out to our listener 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.080 and friend Sofia who took us. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.720 Thank you Sophia. And it was her. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.559 Birthday, Happy birthday girl, and yeah, we had the best time. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.000 I was in the same boat. I was like, you 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:53.080 just can't. I want it that way. It's just like, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.760 how are we going to surpass it? And they fucking 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:56.160 did it. 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.000 They did it with true surprise. Nicole Richie was Kitty Corner. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:00.720 Oh my god. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.080 The Cole Ritchie was too, like a diagonal box in 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:04.680 front of us. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:05.800 It was amazing. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.720 Yeah, So at first I saw Joel Madden and I went, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.360 she's gotta be near. And then I saw Sophia Ritchie, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.520 her new fiance. I was happy to see them, and 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.960 then some other she friends, but I didn't know who 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.960 they were. And then there was an enemy there as well, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.840 which I couldn't believe. I was sitting even closer so 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.600 between the Cole Ritchie and I was a person. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.840 That I truly would care not to talk to. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.760 And I know this person too, and they came up 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.120 to me and they were like hey, and then I 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.760 was like, oh hi, I haven't talked to you in 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.640 so long, and like we were sort of like just tugging, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.160 and then she goes, oh, yeah, Lisa and I know 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.480 each other from like back in the day, and I 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:42.400 was like, oh yeah, I put it together. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.680 I was like, oh yeah, these two fucking hate each other. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.239 I don't think she realizes because she's like, we should 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.640 be chill. I'm like, I fucking hate you, and but 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.040 I hugged her. I gave her a cold hug, like 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:55.560 a lifeless, emotionless. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.880 She gave her a hug and then like turned around 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:59.760 and was like, this is the rest is for you. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.880 I was like, okay, I'll handle this. Like it was funny. 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.239 It was just too much of a fantasy day. I'd 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.040 never been to the Hollywood Bowl. Our seats were so close. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.800 It was just thrilling. It was our friend's birthday. I 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:13.160 don't know. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.440 It was like, I wonder iful run into anyone we know, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.079 and and because I love. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.440 Running into people. I love running into people. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.160 And listeners have messaged us, saying that they were there, 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.880 like we could have run into listeners, we could have 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.519 run into friends, but we run into. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.680 Nicole Richie made up for it. The Backstreet Boys surpassed it. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.040 Dance moves, gimmicks like the light up Mike stands in 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:37.400 the hat, dance like thank you. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.800 I don't like honestly, I was not not fully on 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.720 the side of like, oh is this going to be sad? 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.560 Like we've had people say like, oh is it sad? 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.480 And it's like, we'll see what it's gonna be like. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.120 And there they are entertainers, like they are still so 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.000 good at it, Like I'm sorry, they're in their like 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.680 early forties. If anything, they're not just so funny because 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.520 their dance moves are killer. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.080 That's That's what I'm saying, Like, well, I was impressive. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.440 I keep telling my parents that. Sorry, I kept interrupting you. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:09.120 It's obviously very exciting, but no, their choreo was incredible, 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.040 like Kara was saying, So I keep telling my parents, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.119 and my parents who are ancient, are like, yeah, they're 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.360 not old. And I'm treating it like can you believe 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.880 them dancing at full force? And they're like, yeah, they're young. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:19.080 Men. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.680 I'm eighty four, so it is they are, but they 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:24.360 are working out. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.159 They are working so hard, but they're working at it. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:32.400 Singing, singing and great voices and full out choreo, full out. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.840 They killed it. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.360 And the Hollywood Bowl is just such like a magical 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:37.360 place to see a concert. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.880 I love going to see stuff there. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.719 So I did have one humiliating moment where I did 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.920 get soft served and I felt like George from Seinfeld 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.720 and I was like, this is upsetting. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.479 Also, I did run into a listener in the bathroom. Hello. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.159 We did have a very nice chat and then she 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.120 cupped my face and I went, did you wash your 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.520 hands yet? And she went no. And that was a 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:07.919 moment time. So thank you for that lovely moment. But 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.520 then in a wild s view turn of events, Sophia 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.120 and I went to the comedy store to keep drinking. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.200 The board are going and I like to sit in 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.640 the back open area. It's like whatever, it's kind of 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.520 special and I usually sit outside there, but you don't 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.719 know what's happening inside. So finally the manager comes in. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.400 He's like, okay, I let you stay as long I 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.640 did all my paperwork, Like you have to leave, like 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:32.720 you're the last two here. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.440 So then we go outside. There's one last server. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.080 The three of us are hanging out, and then there's 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.720 just like unsavory people on the other side of the 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.080 like barrier. So there's just three people. I'm not into 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.960 their vibe. And I turned to the server and I 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.240 was like, please don't leave. I was like, please let 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.320 us get into our cars before you leave, and he 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.520 was like, yeah, for sure, and then we left and 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.000 then someone pulled a knife. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:56.480 Out on him. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.880 The one of the guys a six inch blade crazy 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.640 and he's fine. I haven't talked to him, but I 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.680 hear he's okay. He got into his car, but we 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.279 can't leave anyone. I was like so much, like you 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.320 need to protect us, and then I was like, babe, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.679 and then he got. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.000 A fucking knife pulled out on him. 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.120 So I'm glad I left, but we should have made 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.400 sure he got into his car too. 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.000 It was yeah, these people seem unhinged. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.400 But then they made a Facebook post. I did not 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.640 see it. I'm not on Facebook, but. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:28.560 Well you are, but you're not. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.520 I got locked out and the effort to get back 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:32.839 in not gonna happen. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:33.880 So I'm out. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.120 But I guess these people admitted it all on their 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.719 Facebook page and like said wild stuff, but I don't 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:46.320 know it was I'm I just they just sucked from top. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.159 Yeah, but then you were also telling me that the 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.960 comedy store says like a lot of people bring knives, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:51.760 Like what the fun? 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.560 Yeah around with a knife. I don't know, shit's fucked up. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.279 We're like in water World minus the water, like we 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:05.760 are in fuck in some dystopian madness. And I don't know, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.240 you don't know what to say, but yeah, they wand everyone, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.160 and they confiscate about six knives the night, they say, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.360 but they have to give them back to people at 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.400 the end of the night. Yeah, by law or something. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.720 But I'm glad they're wanding people. So thank you to 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.000 the security staff that's wanding people. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:29.440 Yeah. My father famously always has a knife on his 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.000 belt and has many times tried to go through airport 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:38.000 security with it, and they'll say he's actually rescheduled flights 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.080 because he's. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:39.520 Already gone through. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.600 He's like already checked a bag and they're like, well, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.720 you need to throw the knife away then, and he's like, no, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:44.400 I won't do that. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.400 So he'll reschedule flight to go on like a later 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:48.000 flight so that he. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.400 Can want to just pack it in his check because 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:52.360 he's a dumbass. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.560 He forgets the knife is a part of him. I 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:56.680 want a knife, though. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.160 Look in a world where people are walking around with 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.200 AR fifteen's blowing away sixty people at a time, I 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.040 would love everyone to just carry a knife if that 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.560 makes them feel safe, because you can't do that much 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:09.600 damage with a knife. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.320 But do you know Mandy the photographer and her husband obviously, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.200 so she was telling me like details of it, like 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.240 I think she's in the knives or has a knife, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:19.920 and she was saying, you want to get one that 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.960 has like this indent so like the blood like pours 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.800 out geez. And I was but right, isn't that shocking 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.920 for her to say it? Like she just doesn't seem 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.200 like someone that would explain how to like drip knife 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:33.400 out of a knife. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.319 Yeah, but she didn't. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.040 Get Oh my god, I don't think I'll be carrying 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.000 a knife anytime soon. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.640 Would love to see it for you, Lisa, I don't know. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.800 It's I think it's like hip. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.559 I think it's the brand new trend is going to 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.120 be knife carrying, Like I just can sit like, there's 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.000 knives at daughter. There's knives at daughter, Like really you 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.800 could buy you can buy a knife at daughter. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.720 So to me, it's like, okay, you. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.960 Could buy one hundred and fifty dollars linen dress or 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.520 a knife. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.800 So it's on the you know, knives are about to 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.360 be huge. Okay, knives are about to have a moment. 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.280 You heard it here first. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:07.959 Yeah, that's that's how I feel. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.240 Oh. I watched the movie Blended last night in the 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.600 hotel while I was doing my crime research. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:13.520 What is it? 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.080 It's Adam Sandler Andrew Barrymore, and I think you can 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.000 watch it without commercials on Netflix, but I decided to 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.800 watch it on the E channel. And it's really good. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.600 It's like a sweet movie. I cried at the end. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.440 I liked it. I mean, it's like cheesy and weird. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.760 I'm not saying it's a perfect movie, but I loved it. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:34.440 It was cute. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.240 It was just better than I thought. I thought it 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.040 was gonna be like Jack and Jill. I don't know, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.560 like I just thought it was gonna be like a mess. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:40.679 Is it about? It's not a mess. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.520 Man and a woman with their own kids that blown 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:48.560 their families absolutely in an African resort. Ah got it 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:49.160 the twist. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.839 But Wendy something something from Bridesmaids and the Goldbergs. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.520 What's her name? She's so funny and she's. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.520 Wendy McClendon Covey, one of my favorite favorite girl. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.520 Why can't she? Why isn't she on SVO? She should 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.560 be on her must be on s She would be 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:03.760 great on an SVO. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.080 Wendy. Yes, you know our girl in casting who listens? 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.920 I think Wendy. I think she'd be an amazing rich 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.160 mom that ends up, you know, being the bad villain. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.080 But she can play anything. She can play, can play 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.120 trash like she's really good. She could play dumb smart. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.800 You're right, Yeah, I think my fantasy is I want 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.000 her to be bad. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.280 Yeah, she could absolutely play bad. Did you see I 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.319 watched She's I mean the Reno nine one one movie 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.320 that they did like during COVID. It's the most wild movie. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.480 Like I can tell they couldn't get You could tell they. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.120 Couldn't get Nissi Nash for all of it. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.120 So there's just like a full body double in it 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.520 for like a bunch of it where it's just the 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.480 back of Nisi Nash's heads so funny. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.000 I love that. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.679 But she's really funny in it all. As always, she's hilarious. No, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.000 I follow her on inside, love her. I'm obsessed with 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.120 her from Bridesmaids and beyond. But Reno nine one one 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:57.720 and all that. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.880 Yeah, I think that's a blind spot for me. I 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:01.520 have to watch Reno nine to one one. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.560 Yeah, it's really wild and funny. Do you talk about 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.000 my hotel drama? I don't know. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.200 I'm fine to talk about it, or we could just listen. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.280 I got scammed and I sent you. I sent you 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.600 the things, like I booked it in front of you 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.920 in the car on the way to the airport, but 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.080 I sent you the information, Like do you feel like 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.679 I'm a full dumbass or is a trick in a scam? Well? 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.840 No, but okay, So what happened was she booked this, 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.520 she booked this room, and then once she was done 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.240 booking it, when she got to the total the taxes 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.240 and fees was like eighty percent of what the whole 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.880 total cost would be, more than fifty dollars in eees, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.680 more than fifty percent of what the total thing was. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.840 And I was like, that is kind of crazy. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.839 I'm gonna show look this is but this is the. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.600 Site, Like, yeah, it does look like a real It was. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.440 The first thing I should have seen the ad. I 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.120 should have seen it all. I've booked at this place before, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.440 but I just seem like not, you know, I'm just 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:03.320 living out to Robert, an incredible manager at the hotel 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.160 I'm staying at, and he figured it out and I 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.520 got a full refund because all these people on because 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.680 then I started looking up the reviews and everyone's like 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.720 I thought I was booking with the hotel. After I paid, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.280 they added all these fees and they said I couldn't 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:18.760 get a refund. I couldn't get a refund. And then 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.400 Rob at the hotel, thank you, Rob shout out. He 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.320 was like, connect me, call them and have them call me. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:25.079 They know who I am. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.760 Here's the thing, like, why are you trying to get 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.840 your ass shut down? Like add two hundred bucks and 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.080 move on. No one would even notice that they were 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.480 that you were fucking them up. Why are you getting 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.440 crady trying to add eight hundred dollars like they if 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.320 it had been like one hundred, Like if they just 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.360 add like a couple hundred bucks per person. That's how 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.360 you make money. You're gonna get shut down by the 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:45.320 Better Business Bureau. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:45.720 I don't know. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.079 Again, Like I try to tell people how to commit 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.160 crimes better, I'm also trying to tell people how. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:51.040 To scam people better. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:51.240 Now. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.280 Well, also, I messaged the hotel chain and I'm going 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.520 to send them infoward. It's like, don't partner with these people. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.600 They're scam artists. Like why are you partnering with them? 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.559 That's like, that's that's not allowed. That shouldn't You should 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.959 be partnering with like shady websites if you want to 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.320 have a legitimate business. But also, I'll stay here forever. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:12.079 It's like the top hotel in Scoquie. I'm not gonna 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:13.520 stay close to the panera. 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:18.080 Are you kidding? Yeah? 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:20.760 All right, Well, I'm glad you figured it out and 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.360 didn't get fully scammed. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.080 But oh, we have one more shout out. We do 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:25.920 have a shout out. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.640 We were in San Francisco, Ali and Mark brought us 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.400 pies from I guess a very good pie shop. Yeah, 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.280 we were wasted around one thirty in the morning, and 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:36.520 those pies. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.360 Were helpful and delicious. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.400 They were so good and we ate them with our 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.360 bare hands, just scooped dumb. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.400 We were in my hotel room with no uh and 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.520 a couple of my friends and we had no utensils, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.400 and we were just like taking we were taking like 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.560 pieces of crust and like shoveling the pie scoop into 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:54.199 our moouse. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.480 But we are some of the some of the best 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.280 pies I've ever had. And San Francis was really fun. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:02.240 It was cool. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.440 Sorry you all got rushed by the staff mid sentence, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:07.120 ha ha. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.120 It was really really fun. 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.040 Apparently the reason we couldn't really find like a good 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.400 bar to go out at after is because like San 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.960 Francisco's kind of sleepy. People said, they're like, it's like 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.800 an it's like a people go to bed. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.760 Early and wake up early. It was a ghost time. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.920 We walked back to our hotel and not a single 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.000 soul was out on the store. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.080 Why yeah, one. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.720 But maybe we were in a different Maybe we were 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.240 in like a business area, because sometimes they were made 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.080 in like business districts in towns and it does shut down. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.240 I'm like, why has Pop Belly's closed it too? Like 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.840 I don't get it. But it's because they just service 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.080 the people in suits and service the corporate Let's get 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:46.600 this going. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.360 Let's get this party fucking started. We've got a great 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.520 episode for you, guys. Do not go anywhere. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.120 We are doing a classic episode. If you're a fan 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.160 of John mulaney his comedy, you know this is the 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:08.680 Dean Kine episode, but officially it is called Starved, Season seven, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.800 episode eighteen, and the air date's November fifteenth, and that 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:14.000 is my nephew's birthday. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.240 Shout out, Benji, so very excited about that. Two thousand, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:18.280 two thousand and five. 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.920 Wait, Lisa, can you tell me the Milleni joke about 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.120 Dean Kane. I don't think I remember it. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.920 Oh, it's like if you were gonna get it, like 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:26.880 you're getting attacked on the. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.640 Show and you're like, wait, are you Dean Kane? 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.120 And then he says the name Dean Caine like ten times, 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.520 but oh okay, Yeah, it's just kind of just recognizing 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.680 that it's Dean Kane, who did unfortunately become a wild 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:44.920 I think Republican who. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.000 Yeah, he's like in the anti Antonio Sabato Junior camp 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.440 of like former like nineties successful people who are now 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.000 and like Scott Bayo and now they're all like full right, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.320 wing people. I just the only one of Milleni's I 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.400 ever remember is where he's like then there's always like 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.920 a permissive judge who goes I'll allow it, but watch yourself. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.120 McCoy, that's my favorite. John mulaney. Wo the IC one. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.760 I didn't realize he had. So he has four SVU jokes. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.320 That means, well, the Jack McCoy one, I guess is 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.400 an original recipe joke. But yeah, in the iced t one, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.400 you tell me this guy gets off on diddling little 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.280 girls or something, right, that's that one. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.080 Yeah, Oh, here we are, I mean, are we even 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:21.680 allowed to do this? 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.520 We are not allowed to sing two words of a song, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:24.960 and now we're just quoting jokes. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.920 We might get sued, but we're. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.920 Saying his name, and I think, you know, he might 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:29.960 be a fan of the pod. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.160 We're giving credit. We're giving credit. He's busy raising a child. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.960 I think I don't know I'm being on tour, Yeah, hanging. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.560 Out with Chappelle, YadA, YadA. So it's the dank episode 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.280 we're here. It's called Starve. Let's start. It opens with 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.480 some latex gloved hands picking a lock. Dark thematic music plays, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.480 A light bulb gets twisted out. It's October second, and 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.520 they make a point to zoom in on that on 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.440 like a paper calendar, like a one one off rippy 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.280 calendar that I think is not eco friendly anymore. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.720 I don't know if they still make those. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.600 Yeah, though I used to have those, like the Dark 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.640 Side Calendar, of course you did, or the Far. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.040 Side What is it? Yeah? Yeah, I love those. Like 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.080 a cartoon a day, I was like, they make me giggle. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:13.560 There's a criminal and. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.040 A black ski mask which just the eyes popping out, 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.560 and he's closing in on a woman sleeping. He covers 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.359 her mouth as she struggles, and then he says, obayby 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.000 or die. Now we're in a new home in the 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.280 calendar says October twelfth, and he's cutting a phone cord. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.840 He covers the mouth of another woman and says the 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.400 same thing, obayby or die. And now there's a third 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.879 victim and she's being pulled out of an apartment on 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.200 a gurney, and Benson and Stabler are on the scene 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.760 and they're getting you know, they're getting scooped from her. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.120 She's in a pink silk robe, very upset. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.919 She said that he was strong, tall, Then she said 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.280 she smells baby powder, and then he said obey me 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.720 or die. So Benson's like, fuck, this is the third 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.119 attack this month, and Stabler says, so far, it's like okay, asshole, 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.160 why don't you stop them? 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:10.000 Then? Yeah, we're not cause we're gonna suck like I Yeah, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.119 So it's not the attitude you want to manifest that 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.000 you're gonna find the guy. Yeah, Like, she's right there 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.520 on a gurney with you. Can you just be a 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.960 little more optimistic with this woman? Yeah. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.439 So we're back and we're with the last victim, and 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.720 she's now in a gray zippy hoodie at the hospital 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.120 talking with the detectives. She says she always locks the door, 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.600 and Benson's like, yeah, he picked the lock, and he 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.720 also picked the locks of all the other victims, so 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.080 he knew that you guys were all going to be alone. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.040 So we have to find out what all of you 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.919 have in common to find out who this is. So 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.680 they start going down all the things like what Jim, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.400 do you go to do you go to church, are 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.520 you volunteering applying for a mortgage? Where'd you fill out forms? 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.840 Did you go to the doctor, And finally we get 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:52.280 it speed dating. Okay, these are all busy women and 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.000 they're trying to get it in whenever they can. So 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.240 we cut to the precincts where Munch is giving a 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.680 history lesson on speed dating, and I guess it was 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:00.880 in by Rabbis. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.600 So Jews can mate with other Jews. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.360 I don't know if there's another culture that's so obsessed 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.120 with like fucking within your religion. Maybe they all are, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.359 but it seems like Jews go out of their way. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:11.840 Yeah, Like isn't birthright? 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.720 Like mostly for that too, It's like, oh, get together, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.320 meet other kids that are in your religion, like start relationships. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.719 Like it definitely feels like a thing I associate with Judaism. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.600 And also I've met like Catholic people that are like, oh, 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.800 I'm marrying somebody like this, And I've had Jewish friends 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.919 who are like, I cannot marry outside of Judaism. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.520 Yeah, and it's like, you know, the parents are always 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.240 guilting you with the Holocaust, so you have to like 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:36.600 repopulate or something. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:37.040 I don't know. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:38.680 I mean I had a friend, I had a friend 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.840 in New York who was like I really like this guy, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:41.960 Like we get along so great. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:43.520 But he's not Jewish, so it's not gonna work out. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.600 Like I was like, you're just gonna what Like I 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.640 couldn't believe that, Like, but yeah, well yeah. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.080 I had one psycho friend who became a religious Jew. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.119 She was like a casual Russian Jew like me, and 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.359 then became a super Jew. And she basically told me 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.840 if marrying a non Jew is like saying that Hitler. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:02.679 And I was like, no, I think you're just the 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.600 new Hitler, you weirdo, Like what are you talking about? 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.840 The whole point is that we're all just chilling people 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.120 trying our best, like, and it doesn't matter what you are, 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.919 not that, like, if you fuck a Catholic, you're on 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:16.600 Hitler's side. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:17.840 Whatever. We don't really speak. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.520 It definitely feels like a master race type of thing 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.120 that you're trying to do if you're trying. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.439 To like keep everybody to get you know. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.520 I mean, that's one thing about the Jews that I love. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.040 They're not trying to convert you, you know what I mean. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.840 You never see your Jews knocking on the window. They 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.000 don't need you, like, and I. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:33.200 Know they're not trying to convert you. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.440 They're just trying to get their own together with each 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:36.879 other to produce more Jews. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:42.119 If that's it, Oh my god, religion is fucked. Okay, 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.600 all right, okay, So we get Munch's little jew lesson 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.119 and then he says it's one of the many contributions 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.480 as people have made, and then iced he ironically says bagels, 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.680 even though at this point in time he's never even 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.000 eaten a bagel. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.840 Ever, not one. 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.040 And even more ironically, I was eating a bagel in 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.439 my London hotel room as I was watching and writing 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.200 this note. Wow, can you imagine this bagel? Little matrix 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:11.000 we have going on? So Stabler is a fucking idiot, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.000 so he asks how to speed dating work, and then 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.360 he gets a detailed description for Munch, and then Stabler 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.080 tries to shame him, and he's like, why do you 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.239 know so much about it? And he's like, not all 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.359 of us can knock up our high school sweethearts and 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.639 force them to raise four children alone as you have 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.880 an emotional affair with your coworker, okay, and slam people 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.080 in the cabinets. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.119 That's what I was just gonna say, what speed dating? 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.080 I got married at eighteen, straight out of Catholic school. 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.320 Explain it to me. What do you mean you're busy? 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.480 Don't you have a woman just doing shit for you 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.479 at the house you don't let leave or have a hobby. 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.280 None of them went on dates with the same guy, though, 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.760 so who could it be. So they're like, maybe it's 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.880 the head of the company or a worker in the company, 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.000 or maybe fake names have been used. And we know 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.520 that the purp like successful women in their thirties. So 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.880 they head to the speed dating place called speed Encounters, 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.880 and the person who created it is a former therapist 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.160 who fucked his patients and lost his license. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:10.560 I love this detail. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.879 I hope that's included in the real crime that you 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.439 covered today, Kara. I hope there's a therapist that loses 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:21.800 his license. I love this my type exactly. He's denying 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:25.160 raping anybody, but he's the only link between all three women, 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.119 and they all dated different men, and he says maybe 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.960 not some people don't use their real names for speed dating. 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.160 So the guy tries to see if maybe all those 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.760 different names have like one email. They do, it's Romeo 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.600 at four youmail dot com. I know that Kara loves 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.680 their fake internet, so I of course I included it. 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:45.600 I loving your notes. 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.200 It's like it's lit up, like it's a really email address. Y, 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.440 like it jumps off the page because I'm like, oh 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.439 romeo at forumail dot com. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:54.679 Oh, they hyperlinked it. 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:56.840 They didn't know that it was an sv fake place, 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.560 and they tell him to please halla if that email 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.960 signs up for another dating event. We're back at the 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.919 chalkboard at the precinct and stablers with the three female 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.720 victims that we met earlier, swapping details about the guy 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.359 that they went on a date with, and we find 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.880 out that he paid for everything, opened the door for them, 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.240 listen to them, but then why no second dates? Table asks, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.359 He's like, damn, you gotta marry that guy. He opened 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.440 a door. So basically he insisted on ordering for them. 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.119 He's a control freak, and then like tried to force 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:28.960 one of them to eat sushi who didn't want to 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.399 eat sushi. So anytime there's no second date, it seems 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.320 like he goes out for revenge. So spying in on 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.159 this little meeting is George Quang and Benson, and Huang 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.720 says he's like a narcissist, classic narcissist. He's trying to 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.200 repair his wounded Ego from not getting a second date. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.000 The rundown from Huang is that he's detail oriented, precise, 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:56.760 takes pride in his work, disciplined, organized, meticulous. All those 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.640 words mean the same thing. One of those words would 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.119 have been fun. I don't know why you here to 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:06.280 say precise, discipline, organized, meticulous, and especially since he's left 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.159 nothing behind except the sense of baby powder, like he 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:13.399 is aroused by total control. Craigan rushes in that Romeo 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.200 is RSVP for another event, so they decide to put 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:21.080 Benson in as bait. There's one set of daters bonding 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:25.280 over both being abducted by aliens. Love that Benson is 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.560 talking to a man that collects pet dispensers. 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:28.400 I like that. 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:32.480 Too, and I would be crushing at the speed dating event. 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:34.840 And so it's time to switch dates. 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.879 And you know, her sticker says Rachel, and in walks 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.639 Dean Kane and he says his name is Jim, and 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.920 he's like, you're the hottest babe in this room, and 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:44.080 they giggle, they flirt. 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:46.440 She does a busy successful. 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.399 Woman spiel and not wanting to fuck men at work, 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.320 and then he has kind of a sexy line and 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.639 goes my business, won't fuck with our pleasure. They giggle 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:55.919 cats in the bag. So now we're back in the 0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.720 office and Stabler is trying to shade Olivia because he 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.399 hasn't called yet, and she's like he's gonna call, and 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.040 he's like, Oh, don't worry, you might not be his type. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.280 And I'm just so annoyed with Stabler here. It's like 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.240 she's everybody's type. Go fuck yourself. 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.280 Yeah, Also, do you think that, like, do you think 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.200 there just got to be a point where they were like, 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.040 we don't send Olivia to do undercover anymore now, we 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:21.160 just send Rollins. Like it's not like she's not still gorgeous, 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.199 Like they just don't. I mean, she's a captain now, 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.080 so obviously you wouldn't really do that. But like, there 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:27.320 just got to be a point in the show where 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.720 they were like Rollin's is always undercover and Olivia never 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.440 is anymore as like the sexy babe going on the date. 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.280 Yeah, kat was like undercover as just an annoying person, 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:41.320 and then Correese and Stabler have gone undercover as pedophiles. 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:47.000 They're like, yeah, cover pedophiles, but yeah, captains can't go undercover. Also, 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.720 Benson is so famous, isn't she always in the newspapers 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.040 and do it for that conference? 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.480 Like that's true too, that's true. She is a famous 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:55.280 police captain. 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.000 Yeah, she's like meeting well, you know, it's kind of 0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.560 this is not ripped from the headlines. A captain getting 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.680 a police officer getting news for doing something good does 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:09.320 not happen. So now they go off to a date. Okay, 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.320 he calls, everything's good. They're going on a date Dean 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.159 Cain and Benson, and Benson's looking spicy black dress with 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.400 a crisscross halter top, and he's doing the like you're 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:24.040 not like other girls speech, which is not cool because 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.600 he's like, oh, you're so hot and smart and successful, 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:28.399 Like I don't meet women like that. And it's like, well, 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.200 we've met three other women that you went on dates 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.320 with were all those things, So what are you talking about? 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.199 She says, it's nice to meet a man that appreciates 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.680 all three. And you know, like he swipes her hair 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.040 with I think that's too much for a first date, 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:42.440 like swiping hair from a face. 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.240 Yeah, don't touch my hair, Yeah, I don't touch my 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:45.520 hair too much? Too much. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.760 When the waitress comes over, he asks the for Rachel 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.760 aka Benson wants another drink. She asks for another glass 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.200 of wine and he says, no, no, she's gonna have 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.479 a dirty vodka martini with extra olives and what a 0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:59.479 punge in drink. Both Karen and I would not like that, 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.400 we would be I'm very upset with any of them. 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:02.800 No, we don't want that, and. 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.200 I want that and she's like, oh, I don't drink vodka. 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.440 I want wine and he says, no, trust me, you're 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.160 gonna love it. So this is definitely our guy, very 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:11.920 on the nose with what the woman said about him, 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.800 and Rachel ak Benson is grossed out. Then he reveals 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:19.600 he's recently single, and he says the craziest stuff about 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.200 his ex, like what woman would be into anything that he. 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:22.880 Is saying right here? 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:25.360 He's like, yeah, I knew two months and she wasn't 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.400 for me, but I kept dating her because she cooked 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.440 and kept the apartment clean, Like you're saying that out 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:35.199 loud to a woman. He says that she's too clingy, insecure. 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.760 He wants an equal a woman who knows what she wants, 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:39.879 except won't let her have it, like she wanted a 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:41.960 glass of wine. You definitely don't like a woman who 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.840 knows what she wants, like you want to break her. Like, 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.240 so yeah, he wants a woman that he can dim 0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.439 her light over time. He massages her arm and asks 0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.520 what she's thinking, and she's like, I think it's late 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.120 and I've had a long day. I have a long 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.320 date tomorrow. So like, piece the fuck out good night 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.840 and leaves. He throws cash on the table and runs 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.080 out after her. And now see Finn, who's been there 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.080 all along at the bar, also wearing a disguise of glasses, 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.560 but like, you don't need a disguise, no one knows 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.560 who you are or what you're doing. But also glasses 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.040 make your eyes bigger and would not hide you at all. 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.280 So what is happening here? Why is he wearing glasses? 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.240 I don't know. I don't know. 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.439 Also, like I I know that this is like a 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.800 trope in television shows to wear such a fancy outfit 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.760 like what Benson is wearing. But like, have you ever 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.600 worn anything remotely this fancy on a first date? No? 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.520 But maybe rich people that go to such fits. No, 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.960 I haven't. I don't know, Like I mean, I would 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:40.520 maybe wear like a skirt. 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.400 I don't know, like I can't remember I've been on 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.120 blind first dates like from internet dating or whatever. But 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:48.680 like I feel like it's I was very keeping it cash, 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.200 don't try too hard, but like there are people are 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.440 always in like a slinky body con dress, like heading 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:55.720 out for a first date. 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:57.520 I know it's very sex in the city. 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.520 When Charlotte's like Saturday's date night, I would never yeah, 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.920 you know, like so maybe people maybe the cosm when 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.719 Cosmo was king in the nineties, people dressed up. 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.280 I wonder if dating's changed. I don't know, Yeah, I mean, 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:10.719 I don't know. 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.040 Yeah, I mean, I think it's like everybody with apps, 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:14.800 it's like everyone's trying to like be a little bit 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.440 more casual. So it's like before you go out to 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:19.520 like a fancy dinner, you'd maybe just meet for coffee 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:21.360 or meat for a drink first, and then maybe like 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.400 your second or third date would be like I'm taking 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.240 you to like, you know, hot restaurant. 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.880 I was talking to a friend out here who went 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.120 on a first date and he showed up with six 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.680 bunches of flowers and she didn't love that, But then 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:39.880 he had tickets to a concert. She wanted to go 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:41.920 to so she did go to the concert with him, 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.200 and then he got so blackout drunk and then she 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:45.880 never saw him. 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.120 Again because he was just so wasted at this concert. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.520 Oh no, but yeah, like yeah, we're we're. He sounds 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:53.920 like he was really nervous. 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.800 Yeah, then maybe one bunch of flowers, but yeah, just 0:29:57.840 --> 0:29:59.959 don't ever go with six bunches of flowers or just 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.120 more casual like even we've talked before about like high 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.960 school kids like proms, like people are wearing short dresses. 0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.640 They're not doing ball gowns like they used to. It's sneakers. 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.680 I think just as a society, we've kind of you know, 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:13.600 chilled out a little bit. 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:15.440 Well yeah, and I mean especially in LA. 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.520 Like I remember going into some places in New York 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.360 where I'd be like, oh, I'm not dressed nice enough 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.080 for this place. And in LA that like doesn't exist. 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.200 You can go to the nicest fucking restaurant and there's 0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.800 some like tech dude in like a hoodie and cargo shorts, 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.160 and like it just doesn't I've probably said this before 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.680 on the podcast, but like I think there's no way 0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:33.680 to underdress here. 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.120 Like no, yeah, yoga moms. 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:41.680 Yoga moms are the leaders of La leisure, baby, so whatever. 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.040 So we're back to iced tea and giant glasses and 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.600 he chases after them. Now Benson is walking towards her place, 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.680 and he's waiting for her in some back door on 0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.720 the floor, like this weird door that looks like it's 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.160 part of like a restaurant with a little square thing like. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:30:59.800 I don't think Benson would live in a building with 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.200 this kind of door, but he's he's into some door. 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.920 Watch the fucking episode. I can't describe this door any 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.080 better for you. It's like a back staircase, No way 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.280 I described it. It's like a back staircase store like 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.080 emergency exit stairs. 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.000 And it has like a little window. Yeah. 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.160 So he's standing outside the apartment watching her, and then 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.240 Stabler and Finn are there to arrest him for three 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.560 counts of rape. I think they should have waited for 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.600 him to enter the apartment, but it's TV and I 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:24.960 get it. 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:25.400 Whatever. 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.440 So now we're in interrogation. He's standing in front of 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:33.360 the wired window. I didn't rape anyone. I'm a surgeon, okay, okay, 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:38.360 I save lives every day. And Stabler is like, yeah, 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.720 to make up for your bad performance in the bedroom. 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:42.680 Heard you got rejected a lot, and he says, you 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.520 must have me mistaken for somebody else, and Sabler is 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.960 like yes and starts rattling off all the fake names 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:51.040 he's been using, and in walks Benson, saying and Jim, 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.360 and he goes Rachel and she goes, nah, my name's 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.320 Detective Benson. Mike Jurgens. Is this guy's real name though 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.840 it is not Jim. And she asked, why didn't you 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.239 say you were a doctor, And he goes, women here 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.280 doctor and they see dollar signs and he was just 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.840 protecting himself, but he said he worked on Wall Street 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.200 and work like was in finance, which is literal money. 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:16.240 Yeah, literal dollar signs. When I hear doctor, I don't 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:16.880 even think rich. 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.800 I think you have a busy schedule and I like 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:20.320 to lounge a little more than that. And I don't 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.560 think we're cat all. I can't deal with you. We're 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.560 at five am, going to surgery. We're not gonna get along. 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.200 Yeah, if you're really trying to like weed out gold diggers, 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:30.920 you should be like, I work for a nonprofit. 0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.560 I'm a kindergarten teacher. I don't know something you know. 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.800 So he's a pretty bad liar for being a like 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:41.960 conniving rapist. She quick slee shows she quick sleep. That's 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.840 a cute kidname. I bet quick Slei's gonna quick sleeve. 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.720 He's gonna be kids' names for cute little quick sli 0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:53.160 She quickly asks, then why did you follow me home? 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.720 And he says I just I just wanted to apologize, 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.760 and Sailor says, no, you just wanted to see where 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.560 she lived. And he's doing big like you got the 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.480 wrong guy, and Slor goes, no, you act like a 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.920 control freak. She turns you down. You stuck, then you 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.120 sneak back to rape. You are compulsive. In the same 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.560 script every time he calls Stablor crazy and he's like, 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:17.640 I'm crazy, honey. But then in walks at the defense 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:21.680 attorney going not another word, And it's Minerva Graham Bishop. 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.800 That's not a real name. It's a white hair lady 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.360 that resembles Missus Potts from Beauty and the Beasts to 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.720 me like in her spirit, like she gives me teapot 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.360 spirit and then behind her runs in a brunette woman 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.000 who comes to hug Dean Kane and it's his girlfriend. 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.400 Oh and can I just say that Missus Potts that 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.959 you're talking about. Minerva grand Bishop is played by Terry Garr, 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.200 who is an amazing actress who I am like obsessed 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.200 with from all these movies in like the eighties and nineties. 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.000 What movies would I know any of them? 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.480 Well, she was in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:54.680 which is like old Like and Tootsie and Young Frankenstein 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.840 like these are all like in the seventies. Let's see, 0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:00.600 she hasn't done anything since twenty eleven, so yeah, she's 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.280 not acting anymore. Yeah, spu was one of like the 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.480 last ten things she did before she stopped. 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:10.000 So yeah, So in walks Minerva aka Sarry gar you know, 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.320 Kara's number one eighties crush. 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:13.480 I am her number one fan. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.840 And then behind her is, like I said, brunette woman 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:21.480 hugs Dean Kane. It's his girlfriend, Cora Kennison, And yeah, 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.320 they've been living together for a year. Everyone looks puzzled, 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.040 and then she then, with the nudging of the lawyer 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.480 and her guy, says that they were home together all 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.759 night in bed on Tuesday, so it can't be him. 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:37.120 Nobody believes this Okay. I'm like, it's clearly a staging. 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.800 And she's like a little mousey mouse right, She's just. 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.799 Like, oh, yeah, this is my hunky boyfriend and he's 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.160 a surgeon, and like. 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.520 Yeah, yeah, she has like bags under her eyes. It's 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.680 not healthy. So now the defense is having their own 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:52.839 time in the fish tank while Novic and Benson are 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.000 stay and Stabler are chatting on the other side of 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.160 the glass. So Benson says how he bad mouthed her 0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.640 the whole day and he doesn't care about her at all, 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.200 and Novak's doing her job by saying, Okay, that's not 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:04.120 going to hold up in court. 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:04.839 What are you talking about. 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.120 There's no evidence, and uh like bringing the women to 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.080 id him and they're like and she's like, yes, but 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:11.759 they can only id him as going on a date 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.279 with him. They can't id him as their attacker. Like 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.400 that doesn't work. Novak agrees with me that they should 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.919 have waited for him to attack Olivia before arresting him, 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.920 because everything else is circumstantial, and but Olivia is pissed, like, 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.200 we couldn't have waited because sometimes it's weeks before the 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.080 attack and what if he attacked someone else in the 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.400 middle or something, so whatever. 0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.920 She has to break his alibi. That's like what the 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:35.400 goal is. 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.680 So Benson's like, I'll take a run at korash that 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.200 little mousey mouse. I'll fuck her like I'll fuck her up, 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:41.600 I'll break away. 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.680 Can I just ask, though, like if anybody is it 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.000 really not enough of a link that three women went 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.920 on on a date with this same guy and they 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.280 all ended up getting raped in the exact same way, 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:53.799 Like how is that a coincidence? 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.680 It's not, but it's it's circumstantial. 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.480 I just can't believe that, you know, I feel like 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.240 a jury, yes, but you have to be proven guilty 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:03.919 with no bet. 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.200 What is that benefit of the doubt? Like what's the word? 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.759 There's like a reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt. Yeah, so I. 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.520 Guess there's reasonable doubt that somebody followed all these women 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.719 on this date with this man and then later went 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.160 and raped them, like spotted them on the date with 0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:19.160 this man, and also and said to each one of 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.480 them obey me or die, Like I don't know. I 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.359 just feel like a jury would convict just based off 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.600 of the coincidential But I guess it is okay circumstantial anyway, 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:27.640 go on, I agree with you. 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:28.879 I'm not on the side of the law. 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.960 Okay, I agree with Kara, but I also understand what 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.480 you know. It is what it is, right, So yeah, 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.439 Benson's like, oh, I'll take a run at Cora. Don't worry. 0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.800 I did date her boyfriend. And it's like, okay, bitch, 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.680 Caddy Benson. So she arrives at their place and Core's like, no, 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.320 Mike said you would try to trick me and I 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.200 don't want to talk to you, and she's like, fair, fair, 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.759 fair cops are trash, Like I know that, but did 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:53.200 he tell you he went on a date with me? 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:54.479 And she says, you're lying. 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.400 Benson then shows her photos of the date and maybe 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.239 this is what I was saying. Finn took them with 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:01.880 the hidden camera in his glasses. 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.840 Do you think Finn had early Google glass? 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.320 Yeah, taking photos of the Google glass in two thousand 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:07.759 and five. 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.680 Yeah, the pilot program for Google Glass was Finn Tootuola. 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.120 So maybe he was taking photos with his big nerd glasses. 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.040 She's like, there must be some other explanation, and it's like, honey, 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:25.600 come on, denial is real. Benson is like, let's just 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.160 go have coffee. And this works. You know, she is 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.000 desperate and alone. So they are now having coffee and 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.080 Cora's eating a muffin. Well, there's muffins on the plate there. 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.240 They look blueberry, they look good. She's not eating the muffins, 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.879 but there's a few on the plate. They met because 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:41.920 her last boyfriend beat her up and she went to 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.400 the er and he was her doctor. She's like, yeah, wow, 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:47.680 a guy like that. I couldn't believe he was interested 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.239 in me. And Benson then, with her years of experience, 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.480 asks the question out of left field that I would 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.800 not have thought to ask at all, and she asks 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:56.840 if he's ever forced her to do something in the 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.879 bedroom that she didn't want to do. Cora gets shy, 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.680 but then she's like, there's nothing I wouldn't do for Mike. 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.760 We love each other, so we know she does atal 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:10.960 that's what they're gonna do. And she's like, okay, then 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.000 why does he date other women? And she says, I'm 0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.000 not as smart as Mike. I didn't go to college, 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.680 and sometimes he needs other people to talk to, but 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.640 he always comes home and that's what matters. 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.560 That's sad, so sad. 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.440 Benson then plays the recording of Mike talking about her 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.640 from the day and she starts to tear up, tears 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:29.600 streamed down her face. 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:30.840 An incredible actress. 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.440 Benson pushes her, wait what No, not physically like pushes 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:35.160 her for a. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.560 Question and goes like wait what, wait what? 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:44.520 This girl's crying and Benson pushes her, shoves her so bention. 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:48.799 Benson metaphorically pushes her like, hey, did you act? 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.520 Did he ask you to lie for him? 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:55.439 She slowly nods yes, then says yeah, was he home 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.279 Tuesday night? And Chorus says I'm gonna be sick and 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.960 she runs off, And now we're at the priests. Benson 0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:03.520 is asking Cora more questions. We learn how he left 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.040 with his gym bag, and we need coor to give 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.160 permission to search the apartment, and she's having a really 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.160 hard time with this and keeps saying he's a good 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.160 man and that she doesn't believe that he would be 0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.719 out there raping. Benson then bullies Cora into giving the 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.640 detectives consent to search the apartment. And you know, Casey's 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.920 gonna yell at them for this for sure, this is 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.040 not above board, And Finn and Stabler are there and 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.960 they're going through the bag and it's all the things. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.680 It's lock pickers, latex gloves, tools, magnifying glass, baby powder, 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.640 like truly everything. Finn is confused though, because he's rich 0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.560 and smart and has a woman waiting for him at home, 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.279 and Stabler's like, yeah, you've been on the squad for 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.719 five years, Like what don't you understand. 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.920 Yeah, it's not like rape's not about like having fun sex, 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.720 Like that's like not about like that's not what it's about. 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.520 Finn is just so simple where he's like, yeah, you 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:53.320 have a woman in video games for the job. 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.799 What's the problem. Why do you gotta what more do 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:56.600 you want in life? 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:00.839 So Mike walks in and he's in scrubs and mad 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.240 and rolling his eyes like a teen, like what the fuck. 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.680 Benson and Cora are walking towards the elevators and they 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:08.919 bring him in and they hug and he's like, it's 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:09.520 not your fault. 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.000 We'll be together soon, and she. 0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.759 Screams, I don't understand when they tell her like they 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.440 found all of the tools and now it's an obvious 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:21.080 commercial break and we were returned to Judge Elizabeth Donnelly's chambers. Basically, 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.120 Minerva says that Cora had no right to consent to 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.680 a search because it's not her apartment, and Casey says, nah, 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.800 roommates or living girlfriends are allowed to give consent to searches. 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.759 Then Minerva, with a curveball, goes, yeah, sure, but she 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.880 doesn't actually live there. She has a lease on another 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.040 apartment where she gets her mail. Boom, Casey's lips look 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.920 so plump and good. Anyways, judge asks if the detectives 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:46.719 knew she had another place and was just an overnight guest, 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.360 and Casey says, absolutely not. And also the defense is 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.680 claiming that that's just his medical bag. It has nothing 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:54.360 to do with crimes. And it's like shore jam. 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.600 Yeah, you have to pick so many locks when you're 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:57.520 on your way to surgery. 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.839 Yeah, but there's no ski mask and so we need 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.840 to find the scheme mask that would really help the case. 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.759 So but the judge judge, the search is out, the 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:08.600 bag is out, everything is out. 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.000 I disagree with this, but I guess the law is 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:11.399 the law. 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.400 So now we have seventy two hours to get an 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.120 indictment or doctor Jurgen's walks and that's the brand of 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:20.880 a lotion, And I don't know why they did that. 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:23.360 Benson and Stabler. 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:26.480 Are like, what now, Casey, you fucking bitch, why'd you 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:27.320 ruin our case? 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:28.799 And Casey says, we. 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.680 Start over and need fresh evidence, new warrants for worklocker, house, 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:33.240 and car. 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:35.320 But it's like the mask is long gone. 0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.680 He's not a full dummy, and she's like, sure, but 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.160 maybe proof he bought one, like come on, let's work. 0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.680 And they also have to convince Cora to testify and 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.320 Benson does not think that's going to be possible at all, 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.160 but she's Casey's first witness for the grand jury tomorrow morning. 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.120 So Benson runs and starts banging on a door, asking 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:56.040 Cora for like who doesn't answer, So Benson just enters 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.320 the home Cora Cora, and then she sees a messy 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.279 like oven, kitchen top, and on the bed behind a 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.320 curtain is a passed out Cora with an empty bottle 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.960 of vodka. She calls a bus to three ninety West 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.879 twenty third Street and she's like, wake up, wake up, 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.760 and she isn't waking. So now we're at the hospital 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.719 and it's Surfer doctor and he's there and he he 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:22.520 left this. Now Cora's blood alcohol was point three five. Wow, 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:28.000 that's wild, he says, lucky to be alive. So Surfer 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.160 Doc says she'll be all right for now, but her 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.600 liver is fuxed and she's an alcoholic with a binge 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:37.200 drinking problem. She has alcohol poisoning and also she's bullimic 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.960 and needs to go to rehab with long term treatment. 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.840 This is a big, big medical appointment, I would say, 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.680 a changing point in what's about to happen. So Benson 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.399 goes to have a heart to heart with Cora about 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.759 her drinking and binging and that she needs help or 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.399 that she's gonna die. And she says that Mike knew 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.480 about her problems and was trying to help her, and 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:58.719 now she has nobody in Benson's like, no, I will 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.160 get you into a program. I'm Avia Benson, don't worry, 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.080 and she says, yes, I will go to a program. 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.360 And then a woman enters and says Cora, and Cora 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.040 does not seem happy to see her. Must be a mother, 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.879 and it's her mother. She wants to take her home, 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.360 and her mom is like, excuse me, who are you 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.080 And she's like, I'm a cop and I'm here to 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.120 take her to treatment, and the mom is like, the fuck, 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.960 what did Mike do to you? If the cops are here, 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.799 obviously this has to do with Mike, and Benson lays 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.919 it out for Mama Cora and is like, he raped 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.560 three women and we need Cora to testify tomorrow, and 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.840 she says that man is poison. She then starts yelling 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.680 at Cora as she's in the hospital bed like okay, lady, 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:39.640 but basically not the move, not the move, not the move. 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:44.280 But basically it's like, fuck Mike, that's why you're drinking. 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:45.000 And he sucks. 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.520 And everyone kind of wants a bit of Cora. They 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.000 all are helping her, but it's also selfish in their 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.239 own needs, and so like Cora is just like a 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.680 sad girl that has bullie mea and is like drinking 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.080 herself to death and just wants to be loved and 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:00.759 have a mom who's not yet at her as she's 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:01.440 in the hospital. 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:03.799 So this fully sucks. 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:08.560 So Mom, Mike, Benson, grand jury, and she just wants 0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:09.680 to cry in peace. 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:11.320 Let her cry alone. 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.759 It's the next morning, as Benson says good morning to 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.160 Stabler walking into work, Stabler fills her in that the 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.160 grand jury indicted him on all three rapes. She wasn't 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.239 performing excitement good enough for him. So he's like, well, 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.520 you don't seem happy, why aren't you happier? 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:27.120 I didn't. I did not. 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.080 Get this interaction, like you guys have cases all the time, 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:31.759 Like why does she have to tap dance for you 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:32.239 right now? 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.640 Yeah? And she says I'm worried about Cora. 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.360 She's really fragile, and Stabler's like, you got her into rehab, 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.839 that's good, and she says, no, Virginia, the. 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:45.000 Mother won't let her go. Okay, Cora is over eighteen. 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.000 Why does the mother all of a sudden have like 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:51.640 jurisdiction over Cora's life? Yeah, Virginia claims she can take 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:54.680 care of her daughter just fine, and Stabler says love 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.920 never cured an alcoholic, and in behind Stabler's head runs 0:44:58.920 --> 0:44:59.359 in the mother. 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:00.880 She's gone. She's gone. 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:03.920 So they were at Penn station waiting for the trains 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.040 and then she disappeared. So the mom is like crying 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.759 and blaming herself. Where could she be? It's obviously to 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:11.840 go see Mike. So they rush over to Rikers and 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:16.719 oh no, they're married. Oh no, jail house wedding ugh. 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:19.800 They got married. She can't testify against him now. 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.120 They informed the newly married couple that since the rapes 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.920 though happened before the marriage, she still has to testify. 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:28.719 But then he claims that's not why he married her. 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:33.399 I don't know, but he's dragged away, saying he loves her. 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.960 She says she's not going to rehab anymore and Mike 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.760 will help her, and Benson is livid he's never helped 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.880 you before. He lets you drink to control you and 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.440 married you to shut you up. He's using you. And 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.160 then Cora says, you're using me, pretending to be my 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.600 friend so I can frame him, and she screams shut up. 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.200 Benson tries to reason with Cora and says, you know 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.239 deep in your heart that he is guilty, and she responds, 0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.520 I don't want him to be. Benson is back on 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.400 her testifying pressure and bullshit, and she's like, I'm not 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.480 sending my husband to prison, lady. So we're now back 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.279 to the trial. Part twenty nine. Dean Kin is looking 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:09.759 at Cora on the stand. She admits to lying to 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.480 the cops because Mike told her to. Minerva's like, you 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.799 married him after he was accused of assault, like do 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:15.960 you believe he's a rapist? 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:17.120 And she says, I don't know. 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.640 He wasn't violent with her, and he saved her from 0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.439 an abusive relationship and he never raped her. 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.280 So and she's. 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.840 Only there because they made you know her testify and 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.719 that she doesn't have a choice. She yells, why are 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:33.600 you doing this to the man you love? Judge Donnelly 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.439 offers her a break and she says, yes, please. So 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:38.880 the judge has been and the judge did you notice 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.360 Judith Light's hair in this? It's like eighties backup singer, 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:44.719 like a high up jel. 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.439 It was a fucking due. It was a wild ass 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:52.520 like David Bowie inspired. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah yeah, so eighties. 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:56.840 So she walks up to Dean Kane and says, I'm sorry, 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.760 and he says it's okay, sweetheart, I love you. Casey 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:03.560 no back looks at Dean Kane with disgust. Oh no, 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:05.960 We're in Benson's bed at night. So I'm really nervous. 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.000 And then she gets a call. I'm even more nervous. 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:08.479 It's Cora. 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.160 Mike calls her and all we hear is like, Benson, 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.000 we don't know what Cora sing, So all we hear 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.440 is Cora, Cora, how much of you had to drink? 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:18.879 I'm on my way. She has a lot of gold 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.759 necklaces on. I love it. I want them all. 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.520 She calls Elliott for a bus and to call Rikers 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.719 and put Mike on suicide watch. So they all arrive 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.720 on the scene and the cops are giving her CPR 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.640 and it's like, what the fuck just happened? And they're 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:33.120 losing her and there's a tube in her throat and 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.360 Benson's like, I just talked to her, what the fuck? 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:38.000 And they're like, leave us alone. We have to keep 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.200 her alive, So like, can you stop talking to us? 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:44.400 We're trying to save this woman. We're at the hospital 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.359 and she has a breathing tube down her throat and 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.400 she's slowly bring like blinking. And then now we have 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.280 the brunette fun doctor who I love, doctor Anne Morello 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.920 who plays who's played by Julie White. 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:58.000 And she has sixty nine I am dB credits. 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:03.960 Heyoh, and do you watch Big Mouth? Yeah, she's Andrew 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.000 Rannall's mother and big Mouth. She's like the gay boys 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:11.040 mom in Big Mouth. Oh, So that's exciting and she's 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.400 only been in five episodes of SVU, but I feel like, 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:14.560 what an impact like to me? 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.360 I was like, we've. 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:18.480 Covered yeah, we've covered other episodes she's done, and I 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:20.879 was surprised to hear like I thought she was in many, many, 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:21.640 many episodes. 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:22.879 Yeah, I just like her. 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.040 But she says that her heart is pumping, but her 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:26.920 brain is done and it was like a deprived of 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:31.320 oxygen for far too long and she will never recover, sad, 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.000 so it's irreversible brain damage. And then her mother yells, 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.000 but her eyes are moving, she is blinking, and the 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:39.680 doctor explains that's just a brain stem reflex and she 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.839 doesn't see us or anything, but like, she didn't even 0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.239 have that much to drink, but because of the bolimia, 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.960 it just made it worse and it's sad. But they 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.440 have to tell the mom that she's just not going 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.719 to get better and it's done, and the mom is 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:58.040 wet eyes sad, so like right now she's like Cora's 0:48:58.080 --> 0:48:58.879 on supportive care. 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:00.000 We got to keep her comfortable. 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.480 And Benson says, I'm sorry, and then Virginia says, it's 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:05.160 your fault because she drank because you were making her 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:08.799 testify and Benson explains, no, it's Mike's fault. He called 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:10.520 her from Rikers and told her that he was going 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.760 to kill himself, and Virginia's like, but he's not dead, 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.000 is he. So she screams about taking Cora home, and 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:18.840 the doctor says, I don't think that's a good idea, 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.719 and in all her chunky highlight glory, she's like, fuck you, 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:23.080 I don't care about any of you. 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:24.279 She's coming home with me. 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.360 And by the way, the mom is played by Veronica Cartwright, 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:33.120 who has been working since nineteen fifty eight, Like, still working, 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.640 still doing jobs, she has one hundred and fifty four 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:39.520 credits and like, still passionate and making shit like it's 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.560 in gatible. What a career invasion of the body snatchers 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.200 and birds that's iconic the birds. 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:47.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's an icon. 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.880 So we're now with the This was obviously maybe a 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:55.359 Neil Bear moment. Well I don't know, but so we're 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.640 now at the giant gray stone columns on the outside 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.080 of the courthouse that makes every one seems so small 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:04.160 and tiny, and it's Benson filling Casey and on the 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.640 events that took place. Then a man in a trench 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.120 coat runs after her, saying that Judge John Ley wants 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:12.799 to see her in her chambers. Now, oh fuck this motherfucker. 0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.480 Dean Kane, through Minerva, is saying that he wants to 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.960 get her feeding tube removed, and Casey is stunned, but 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.400 he has every right as her husband. So the lawyers 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:23.920 do some verbal punching, and then Donnelly is like, I'll 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.399 hear from you why you want to do this, and 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.480 he says that he spoke to Cora's a neurosurgeon and 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.319 she has no chance of recovery and he can't let 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.080 her suffer. And Casey says, don't let him do this. 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:39.120 Donnelly says, I have no choice as her husband. He 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:40.680 is next of kin and that's that. 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:41.600 She says. 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:43.640 I know it will be hard for the mother to understand, 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.720 but it is what it is. And back at the priestinct, 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.520 stablers selling Casey, Wow, the rapist has more rights than 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:52.399 the mother. Sucks, but it's true today, It's true all 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:56.120 the time. Constantly, rapists have more rights than full women 0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.520 that are pregnant. So I don't know a rapist can 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:04.600 sue the rape victims for custody of unwanted fetuses like 0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:07.840 it is fucking twisted the world we're living in. Obviously 0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:09.840 in a side has nothing to do with this episode, 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.440 but rapists, why I don't get no rights please? 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.680 Saylor says, it's all about control. 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.160 Then Benson peeps up he's the wrong person but making 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.880 the right decision, and Casey judges her. Benson says she 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.440 deserves to die with dignity. Stablor says, yeah, but the 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.000 mom wants her alive. And there's just like a lot 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.640 of twists concerns, and Munch says, none of this matters. 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.680 It's not up to us to decide who lives and dies, Like, sure, 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:36.080 disconnect her and then what who's next? Paraplegics and the 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.840 mentally challenged, And it's like, okay, okay, no one stop 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:40.240 doing slippery slope stuff. 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:40.600 Okay. 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:43.880 Now he's bringing up the Nazis and Casey says, I 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.120 gotta follow the law, which is not a great response 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:48.200 after the Nazis are brought up, you know what I mean, Like, 0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:56.600 don't talk about following orders, right. Stabler's like, let's just 0:51:56.640 --> 0:51:58.319 go to her mother and see if she has any 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:01.280 evidence or understanding of what Cora would have wanted. Casey 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.640 goes to talk to Virginia, who's sitting next to Cora, 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.399 saying how her daughter is into Quitter and even though 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:08.600 they've never spoken about it, she knows her daughter. 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:10.200 How do I stop Mike? 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.080 And she says, file an appeal, But even Virginia knows 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:14.680 that the law, like the judges, aren't going to be 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.160 on her side. So Casey Sneaky Sneaky says there are 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.840 other ways to get people to listen. So it cuts 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:23.320 to her boss throwing a newspaper on her desk, saying 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.360 what the hell were you thinking? Which is a good impression. 0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.200 I think what is his name, Fred Thompson? Frank Thompson, 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:30.760 Oh yeah, Fred Thompson. 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:36.440 Yeah. So the newspaper, it's a picture of what just 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:37.080 say it say? 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:41.040 It's a picture of Cora and the headline says mom 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.040 to rapist, don't kill my baby. 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:43.799 Is that well? 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.160 In your notes it says don't kill me baby, And 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:47.640 so I was just laughing. 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.880 It's like, don't kill me baby, so spaking. 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.200 He's like, you told her to do that? Why would 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.360 you involve yourself in this mess? And she says, you 0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.480 taught me to speak for the victims. So it's actually 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:03.080 your fault. Bye, and he says, no crime, victims, there 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:05.839 is no crime, but Casey doesn't believe that, and Mike 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.520 is a con man and a lunatic. And now they 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:10.760 go and they turn on New York One, which is exciting. 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:13.440 Shout out to her friend Allison Libby, and there was 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.560 a protest with lots of signs, and she's like, this 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.440 rapist is trying to kill my daughter. Please help. And 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:21.480 they're at the hospital doing a walk and talk and 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:24.280 Casey's trying to save her ass. And Virginia's excited because 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.000 like a bunch of lawyers have reached out and are 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:26.839 willing to help her. 0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:28.360 But oh no. 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:30.919 They go into the room and Mike is in there 0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:34.759 with Minerva and the judge authorized this visit. This is hell. 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.600 He says, I love Cora and she would not want 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.360 to live like this. I've lived with her and you 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:42.480 haven't called her once. And she says it's him who 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:46.560 pulled them apart, and she starts to cry. Casey looks 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.239 as Minerva, like, why don't you tell me he would 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.160 be here? And she says, he doesn't need your permission 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:54.760 to visit his wife, and she's right, but what a bitch, 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:55.920 like Minerva is a bitch. 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.080 Yeah, I guess I would hire her if I need 0:53:58.200 --> 0:53:59.480 a bitch. Yeah. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.640 Doc comes in with a judge and like paperwork, saying 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.560 that she is granting an emergency hearing for the mother's sake, 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:07.399 so let's see if we can work this shit out. 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.120 Dean Kane is on the stand and he said that 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:12.440 they had a conversation about her wants and like what 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.960 her decision would be, and they panned a Virginia in 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.440 court listening to him speak, and she has disdain on 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.200 her face, a golden cross on her chest, and a 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.880 lawyer with a bow tie and a pocket square. He 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.120 says that one night last summer, they were driving back 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.160 from the beach and there was a terrible accident in 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.839 front of them, and a drunk driver ran a stop 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:32.719 sign and hit a couple in a convertible, and he 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.040 told Cora to call nine one one, and he ran 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:38.040 over to help, and the man was dead and the 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.640 girlfriend had severe head trauma and he was covered in 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.920 her blood and helping clear the airways, and Cora cried 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:45.880 and asked if the girl's going to make it and 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.359 if she would be a vegetable and Cora responded, Mike 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:51.560 promised me, you will never let me live like that. 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.320 Virginia stands up and calls him a liar. She would 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.799 never have said that. And then she gets to do 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:02.359 a dream and scream, you master, so love that, love it. 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:04.560 The judge wants her to behave but she doesn't, and 0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:07.000 she's crying and so upset and distraw and confused how 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.480 this is happening, And now it's time for the ruling. 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:14.400 Donnelly says, pull the plug, remove the tube. Virginia cries. 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:18.319 Mike has no emotion. They're at the hospital, and then 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.400 Benson lowers herself and says thank you to Mike for 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.200 letting her mother hold Cora's hand as she died peacefully, 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:28.080 and he says, you're welcome. Then he says, now there's 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:31.719 something you can do for me. Expedite the death certificate. 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:35.120 Life insurance company is going to need that before they 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:38.240 can process her claim. And Benson goes, oh, I fucking 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.239 knew it. How much is the claim for? And he goes, 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:43.120 it's for one point five million. He added her to 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.640 the policy right after they got married. And it hits 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:47.800 Benson like, oh my god, you were never going to 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:49.879 kill yourself, but you knew that she would never want 0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.480 to live without you, And he says, that's a terrible 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.080 thing to say to a grieving husband with a shitty, 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.640 shitty grin, and he's smiling, and it's Minerva, you fucking 0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.640 dumb bitch. Are you proud of your And now it's 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:05.239 funeral time and the thunder is growling, and Melinda is 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:07.120 with the mother of Virginia and lets her know that 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.160 the autops she showed that the brain damage was irreversible 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:14.279 and there was no hope. And then more information comes in. 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.799 Benson found a newspaper article about the car accident, and 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.239 Cora is quoted that she would never want to live 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.960 like that, so hopefully it gives her a little bit 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:25.320 more piece of what happened, but it is very sad. 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.000 She cries and walks off to the front seat of 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.759 the hearst and you know, sounds of rain and that's 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.360 dick wolf, baby. 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:35.320 And why don't we ever find out if he gets 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.600 if he gets convicted for rape, I want to know. 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:41.239 I want him to like never be able to spend 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:42.960 this one point five million dollar policy. 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:44.600 But if he gets the policy, can it just be 0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:45.520 in his commissary. 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.040 I don't know. I don't really know how that works. 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:50.200 Because I'm sure he's trying to avoid not getting raped 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:51.839 in jail because he is Dean Kane. 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:57.120 Yeah, well, this is uh partially based on a case 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:58.799 that we're gonna get to as soon as we get 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.000 back from these brief messages. 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.400 Kara, I'm really excited about this because this is like 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:19.560 a cultural touchstone. 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:20.480 I remember the news. 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.720 I remember the twenty twenties in the day or whatever, 0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.200 like this was such a thing, but I don't remember 0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:26.840 any details or anything about it. 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:30.400 So I feel like very excited to be informed. Yeah, yeah, 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:32.439 I mean that's okay. That's what I was literally gonna 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:34.720 start out saying, like you were like a teen when 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:37.680 this was going down, like I was in my late 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:41.000 teens early twenties, and like I even was kind of like, wait, 0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:41.760 what's going on? 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:42.960 Like I didn't really it. 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:47.160 Was just such a huge case, and I feel like 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:51.520 there was like it was a big like late night joke, right. 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.680 This episode is partially based on the Terry Shibo case, 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.000 which came into the public eye in the early two thousands, 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:59.240 and it was constantly in the news. 0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:00.800 It was like a late night punchline. 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.400 It was like a very big water cooler topic because 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.360 it touched on religious shit, it touched on political shit, 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:08.880 and it was like a landmark case in the whole 0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:11.240 right to die debate, which if you like ever heard 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:13.840 of doctor Kovorkian, that was like a huge thing of 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.600 are people allowed to choose when they want to die? 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.560 Or when do we how do we decide who lives 0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:21.520 and dies based on the quality of their life, if 0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:24.880 they're a vegetable and et cetera, et cetera. So what 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:27.440 happened in this case was Terry Shivo was a twenty 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:30.920 six year old woman who actually grew up struggling with 0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.080 her weight, and she was very overweight at one point, 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:36.480 and she eventually lost one hundred pounds, and then it 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:39.680 sounded like she struggled with keeping the weight off like 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:41.960 for like most of her adult life, and that was 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:44.240 like a dieting was a part of her life. So 0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:47.680 in February of nineteen ninety, Terry collapsed in a hallway 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:51.720 of her Saint Petersburg, Florida apartment. Her husband called nine 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:54.920 one one, and that when the first responders got there, 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:58.320 she was unconscious, not breathing, with no pulse they attempted 0:58:58.360 --> 0:58:59.160 to resuscitate her. 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:00.680 She was transported to the hospital. 0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:04.840 Paramedics had intubated her and ventilated her, so she's breathing 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.040 with help at this point, and the cause of the 0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.600 collapse was determined as cardiac arrest, and in her chart 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:13.640 it was noted that she was trying to keep her 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:17.200 weight down by drinking mostly liquids in the daytime and 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.920 that she was drinking about ten to fifteen glasses of 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:20.919 ice tea a day. 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.120 I don't know if that's accurate. That's what I read. 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:28.320 And then she also had low potassium, which is hypokalemia, 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:33.840 and apparently electrolyte imbalance is often caused by drinking excessive fluids, 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:37.920 and a serious consequence of hypocalemia can be heart rhythm abnormalities, 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:41.920 including sudden arrhythmia death syndrome, and there. 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:43.640 Had been I can get it. I'm gonna get. 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:45.280 Into it later, but there was also talk that she 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:48.440 was suffering from an eating disorder bolimia, which ties into 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.120 the episode as well, but ultimately there was no definitive 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:53.280 cause linked to the cardiac arrest, so they do not 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:57.000 know what caused it. And approximately one year after this 0:59:57.040 --> 1:00:00.080 initial health event, the doctors diagnosed her as being in 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:03.720 a persistent vegetative state, which is abbreviated a lot as PVS, 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:07.960 and that it was irreversible. So she could breathe on 1:00:08.000 --> 1:00:10.240 her own, and she could open her eyes and move 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.440 her eyes, but she was not capable of thought or emotion, 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:16.000 and she was not seeing anything, like even if she 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:17.560 moved her eyes, she was not seeing anything. 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:21.000 So meanwhile, in that. 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.680 Year, like her husband Michael like really attended to her 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:28.200 and he began studying nursing actually at Saint Petersburg Community College, 1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:29.960 so that he could care for her better, like and 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:32.640 he eventually became a respiratory therapist and an er nurse. 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:36.320 So in ninety two, this is just interesting because this 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:39.240 brings into the bolima of it a little bit, Michael 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:43.240 filed a malpractice suit against Terry's guynecologist on the basis 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:46.520 that he had failed to diagnose bolimia as a possible 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.000 cause of her infertility. Like she had gone to a 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:51.520 doctor because she had stopped having her period, and the 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:54.440 doctor had failed to take her entire medical history into 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:57.400 account and that might have revealed her eating disorder. 1:00:57.800 --> 1:00:59.880 But like, how I mean, I'm sure people with these 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:01.640 disorders are like really good at hiding it. 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:02.800 But what kind of husband are you? 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:04.520 You don't notice that your wife's not eating at all 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:06.760 and drinking fifteen glasses of iced tea a day? 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:08.760 What'd you think was going on? I know? 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:13.400 But also he it's like there's all this back and 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:14.880 forth in a lot of the stuff I was reading 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.160 where some people were like, none of her friends knew 1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:18.960 she had an eating disorder, and then one case said, 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:21.160 oh no, one of her friends did know and testified 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:21.840 that she did know. 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.560 But in this case, this. 1:01:24.560 --> 1:01:27.520 Malpractice suit, he did win millions of dollars, Like originally 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:29.320 I think he was awarded six or seven million, but 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:31.760 then they brought the judgment down to two million, and 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:34.120 so after all his attorney's fees and everything, he got 1:01:34.120 --> 1:01:36.800 three hundred thousand, and then seven hundred and fifty thousand 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.600 was put into a trust for Terry's medical care. So 1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:43.440 that's just like a little background on that side lawsuit. 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:47.160 But so here's what happened. Nineteen ninety she has this 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:50.840 cardiac event. Ninety one, she's declared in a persistent vegetative state. 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:55.040 Not until nineteen ninety eight, Michael Schaivoh, her husband, and 1:01:55.160 --> 1:01:59.360 legal guardian petitions to have her feeding tuber moved. Her parents, 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.440 Bob and Mary Schindler, are very opposed to this, and 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:06.520 then it becomes this whole thing where Michael stood to 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:09.600 inherit Terry's assets. Nothing's clear about whether she had a 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:12.480 lot of assets, but if he would just divorce her, 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.880 which her parents wanted him to do, they would be 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:15.600 the beneficiary. 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:17.160 So it almost feels. 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:19.720 Like people were like, well, who is everybody doing this 1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:20.640 for the right reasons? 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:22.400 Or like why are people doing this? She had no 1:02:22.480 --> 1:02:23.080 living will? 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:27.240 Well she also I'm sorry, but he won all this 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:31.280 money and dedicated the majority of it to her medical care. 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:33.520 If he wanted just money, he would have kept all 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:34.000 the money. 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:37.840 Yeah, and maybe bounced after that lawsuit too. Yeah, like 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.520 totally totally, Like I don't see. 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:42.760 I think he's an idiot for not maybe realizing his 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:46.600 wife was never eating or puking constantly, But like, it 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:48.840 doesn't I don't know any of this, but it does 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:51.400 if he gave all that money to her care, I 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:53.960 can't imagine I'm trying to use her death to get money. 1:02:54.880 --> 1:02:56.680 Well, and the other thing is it's like, yeah, it 1:02:56.800 --> 1:03:00.560 doesn't really seem like she had, uh, you know, one 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.800 point five million dollars like in the episode or something like. 1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:04.840 It didn't really they were living in Saint Petersburg, Florida. 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.560 I don't think they were super super wealthy people, so 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:10.120 I don't really know what he stood to inherit and 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:13.800 he basically claimed, I know my wife would not have 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:16.200 wanted to live like this, and I'm staying married to 1:03:16.240 --> 1:03:18.880 her to carry out her wishes, like that's why I'm 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:22.200 doing this because for him, well, we'll get into it later. 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:25.240 So around the same time as he's filing for this 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.840 feeding tube to be removed, the Shindler's become aware of 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:31.080 a bone scan report that was performed in nineteen ninety one, 1:03:31.640 --> 1:03:35.040 and they, along with this guy doctor William Hamsfar who 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:37.080 throughout this kind of seems like a little bit like 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:39.680 a quack, they claim that the trauma shown in the 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:42.680 bone scan was a result of Terry being abused by Michael, 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:47.240 and the plot gave well, yeah, So they give the 1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:53.240 scan information to forensic pathologist and superhero to Lisa and Kara, 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:58.720 doctor Michael Bodden, and he suggests, oh, yes, a head 1:03:58.760 --> 1:03:59.920 injury caused the trauma. 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:03.440 But then doctor Michael Botten. They give him. 1:04:03.440 --> 1:04:05.920 Terry's full history and he's like, oh, never mind. I 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.280 agree that the trauma is consistent with a cardiac arrest, 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:12.000 a fall and then CPR attempts and resuscitation like never mind. 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:14.760 So I just wanted to mention this because doctor Michael 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:19.240 Bodden is tangentially very involved. So essentially this is what 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:23.440 starts up in the press that Michael Chaivo didn't call 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:26.480 nine one one right away he was abusing her, like 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:29.760 this is about him controlling her. There's truly, like not 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:32.120 a lot of evidence to support that. I know that's 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:36.200 very svuification of it, but this man called nine to 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:39.480 one the minutey founder like it was not besides what 1:04:39.520 --> 1:04:41.320 you said that maybe he didn't notice that she was 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:44.720 struggling with some eating issues, Like it doesn't really, I 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:46.640 don't think he did anything to harm her and cause 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:50.800 this cardiac event. So in two thousand, after two years 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:53.320 of after he's said he wants to remove the feeding tube, 1:04:53.320 --> 1:04:55.760 there's a trial that takes place to determine Terry's end 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:58.720 of life wishes. Michael argues that she would not want 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.000 to be kept alive with a machine with almost zero 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:03.840 chance of recovery. And her parents, on the other hand, 1:05:03.880 --> 1:05:06.000 claimed that she was a devout Catholic who would never 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:09.360 go against the church's policy on euthanasia. And that's just 1:05:09.360 --> 1:05:11.720 like the story of Catholicism is like every parent thinks 1:05:11.760 --> 1:05:14.480 their kid is like a perfect Catholic and they're not. 1:05:15.600 --> 1:05:18.800 And so the judge ruled that Terry was in a 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:21.760 persistent vegetative state and that she had made reliable oral 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:24.680 declarations that she would not want to live like that 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:26.960 and that she would want the feeding tube removed. So 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:30.800 in two thousand, the Shindlers tried to challenge Michael's guardianship. 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:33.760 And so at this point, she's been in a persistent 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:36.840 vegetative stafe for a decade. Okay, Michael has a new 1:05:36.880 --> 1:05:39.200 partner at this point and has fathered a child with her, 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:41.840 but he will not divorce Terry because he wants to 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.720 make sure that her final wishes are carried out to me. 1:05:45.360 --> 1:05:48.760 I don't see what he's gaining, especially after like he 1:05:48.800 --> 1:05:51.960 gets this small three hundred thousand dollars settlement in ninety two, 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:55.560 you know, and that has to do with the infertility issue, 1:05:56.280 --> 1:05:58.520 which you could argue that that affected him as well, 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:00.480 because they were unable to procreate to the other and 1:06:00.520 --> 1:06:06.400 that doctor misdiagnosed or whatever. So the Schindlers lost their 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:10.200 challenge to the guardianship and Michael retained the guardianship and 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:12.240 the feeding tube was set to be removed in April 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:15.320 of two thousand and one. So then it was removed 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:18.000 on four to twenty four, and then the Schindlers filed 1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:21.560 a suit against Michael and a judge issued an injunction 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:23.800 against removal of so until it was all settled. 1:06:23.840 --> 1:06:25.040 The tube was put back. 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:26.640 In on April twenty six, so she was two days 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:28.080 without the tube and then it was put back in 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:30.320 then in August of two thousand and one. 1:06:30.400 --> 1:06:32.560 Later that year, Judge Greer, who we're going to hear 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:33.160 about a lot. 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:35.560 He is like the main judge in this and he's 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:39.320 like a circuit court judge in Florida. Judge Greer heard 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:42.120 a motion in August of two thousand and one that 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:45.400 the Shindlers were claiming that new medical treatment could restore 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:48.520 sufficient cognitive ability so that Terry might be able to 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:53.080 actually participate in her continued life prolonging measures and decide 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:55.360 about what she wanted to do herself. And the court 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:59.280 also motions heard motions from the Shindlers to remove Michael 1:06:59.280 --> 1:07:02.480 as the guardian and emotion for Judge Greer to recuse himself. 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:04.840 Very s for you like, they made these motions right 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:09.040 to the judge. Very Judge Oliver Taft he denied all the emotions, 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:11.320 and they appealed. This is like the whole cycle of 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:14.440 this is just motion appeal, motion appeal. The Court of 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:17.720 Appeals remanded the question of Terry's wishes back to the 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:21.360 trial court and required an evidentiary hearing be held about 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.920 this new you know, technology that could help her live 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:29.600 better or this new medical treatment. So the court specified 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:32.280 that five board certified neurologists were to testify, and the 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:34.480 Shindlers were allowed to choose two of those doctors to 1:07:34.520 --> 1:07:37.120 present their findings at the EVIDENTI You're hearing, and then 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:40.560 Michael Schaiveo could introduce two rebuttal experts. And then finally 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:43.320 the court itself would appoint a new independent physician to 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:46.680 examine and evaluate all of Terry's conditions. So now we're 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:49.400 at two thousand and two, the evidential your hearing has happened, 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:52.400 and to determine whether these new therapy treatments would work, 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:55.760 a new cat scan was done and showed severe cerebral 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:59.520 atrophy and the EG showed no measurable brain activity. And 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.640 then these five physicians there was William Maxfield, a radiologist, 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:05.520 and then four neurologists. One is William Ham's far who 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:09.040 obviously the parents chose, Ronald Cranford, Melvin Greer no relation, 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:14.600 and Peter bimbucketis Cranford, Greer and Ben bocadists all testified 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:17.160 that she was in a persistent veget vegetative state, while 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:20.799 Maxfield and Hamspar said she was in a minimally conscious state. 1:08:21.520 --> 1:08:24.400 So I don't know, I mean, there seems like it's semantics. 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:27.400 At this point in this trial, a six hour medical 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:30.320 exam of Terry was taped and the judge was like, 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:32.720 this is very clear that she's not responding, like she 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:35.400 looks inert most of the time, she's just staring there. 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:39.080 But her parents took the six hours of footage and 1:08:39.120 --> 1:08:42.839 they cut together six minutes of clips of like Terry's 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:46.680 eyes moving, what they said was following a balloon, or 1:08:46.760 --> 1:08:50.120 like her smiling at her mother, which everyone which doctors 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:52.360 are like, that's just a response, Like that's just like 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:54.840 an automatic response, Like she's not fo. She can't see 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:57.559 the Mickey Mouse balloon with her eyes, and these clips 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:00.679 went like not. I mean, I'm using the word viral 1:09:00.800 --> 1:09:02.360 just because that's like the easiest way to explain it. 1:09:02.360 --> 1:09:03.720 I don't know if it was like Internet or not, 1:09:03.800 --> 1:09:06.439 but it was definitely. This was like a turning point 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:08.559 in the case, these six minutes of clips of Terry 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:11.000 where people are like, oh, no, look, that's a person 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:13.439 who's alive. Her eyes are open, she breathes on her own, 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:15.280 she can follow things with her eyes, and it's like 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:18.920 it was very misleading. The clips that they put out 1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:22.200 were very misleading because it's six minutes above six hours. 1:09:22.680 --> 1:09:25.360 It's out of context, like in six hours she's not 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:28.559 doing anything, you know, and like you're putting together this 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:30.280 clip like this is an average day for her, and 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:35.200 that's not correct. So yeah, at this point, again, she's 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:37.800 been doing these same her husband said, she's been doing 1:09:37.800 --> 1:09:40.520 those same little movements for over a decade with no improvement. 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:43.760 And the ruling in this case still upheld that Terry 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:46.040 was in a persistent vegetative state and that her feeding 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:48.599 tube could be removed. So on October fifteenth of two 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:51.400 thousand and three, her feeding tube was removed for a 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:52.160 second time. 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:53.400 Within a week. 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:57.080 When the Schindler's final appeal was exhausted, State Representative at 1:09:57.080 --> 1:10:01.280 Frank Atkinson of Florida and the Florida Legislature passed Terry's 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:05.320 Law in an emergency session, which gave Governor Jeb Bush 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:08.560 the authority to intervene in the case. Okay, and the 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:10.120 New York Times put it out, something I thought was 1:10:10.200 --> 1:10:12.639 very interesting that when they're ever they're making these laws 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:16.200 that are based on people. If it's about a woman, 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:18.479 they'll give it the woman's first name or like a 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:20.840 little cute nickname, like her name was Teresa, but they 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:22.840 give it the name Terry. But when it's a man, 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:24.680 it's always the last name. Like the man gets a 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:27.240 little bit more dignity with their law. Like the law 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:30.120 about of it's like Bill Brady, it's called the Brady bill, right, 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:32.080 it's not called the Bill Bill or like the Jim 1:10:32.240 --> 1:10:34.559 I think his name's Jim Brady. Actually, excuse me. But 1:10:34.720 --> 1:10:39.439 like for women, it's always like Terry's law, Sarah's law, whatever, 1:10:39.640 --> 1:10:43.160 or for women and kids. So it's interesting anyway. Governor 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:47.280 Bush immediately ordered the feeding tube reinserted and he sent 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:50.960 the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to remove Chivo from hospice. 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:53.519 She was taken to a rehab center in Clearwater, where 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:56.200 her feeding tube was surgically put back in, and then 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:59.439 she was returned to hospice, and USA Today reported that 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:03.160 Governor Bush said the judge's decision quote unquote breaks my 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:05.760 heart and noted that it often takes two decades for 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:08.040 a death row inmates appeals to go through the system. 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:11.839 Quote there's this rush to starve her to death end quote. 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.240 Bush said, And it's like, I just don't understand when 1:11:14.240 --> 1:11:16.120 he's saying a rush like this man did not have 1:11:16.560 --> 1:11:18.400 file to have the feeding tube removed until she had 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:20.160 been in a vegetable for a decade. 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:22.880 So it's like we already know that Jeb Bush is 1:11:22.960 --> 1:11:24.639 kind of a moron. I mean, he is the police 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:25.200 clap guy. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:28.800 So it's just crazy that everyone's like, well, she's only 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:31.000 been in this coma for ten years, what a rush 1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:33.400 to starve her to death? And that's also not They're 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:34.920 not trying to starve her to death. I think they're 1:11:34.920 --> 1:11:38.360 trying to let her die humanly. But Michael Shaivo opposed 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:41.560 the governor's move obviously, and he was represented by the ACLU. 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.519 So on May fifth, two thousand and four, a judge 1:11:44.600 --> 1:11:47.479 ruled that Terry's law was unconstitutional and struck it down. 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:49.680 And this was another reason, huge reason why people were 1:11:49.720 --> 1:11:52.640 getting involved in this conversation because it's like what we 1:11:52.640 --> 1:11:54.880 talked about with Jody Hicks a little bit. Republicans are 1:11:54.880 --> 1:11:58.080 all about get out of my life, like small government, 1:11:58.120 --> 1:12:00.519 don't let the government control. You have so many so 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:02.400 that if the government tries to take over, we can 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:02.960 fight back. 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:05.160 And then they think they can like get involved in 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:08.519 people's decisions about their life or about their reproductive rights 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:11.360 and things like that. It's just so the cognitive dissonance 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:14.599 is really really wild, and so there was a lot 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:16.479 of talk in this is like did the government go 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:18.479 too far? Like should they be getting involved in this? 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:22.160 And I mean my opinion is no, but yeah, they 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:24.640 struck down the law and then Governor Bush appealed this, 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:28.080 but the Florida State Supreme Law Court overturned the law 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:30.200 as unconstitutional, so he had no more recourse. 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:32.080 So poor Jeb Bush had to just like walk away 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:32.840 with this one. 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:35.000 And him pretending the care I'm like trying to think, 1:12:35.080 --> 1:12:36.879 ye what reason this is, like it's. 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:38.760 So political, fully political. 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:41.840 There was something called like the Shaivo memo that wasn't 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:43.960 about Jeb Bush, but it was about a different politician, 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:47.800 and it was like essentially saying, the Terry Schibo case 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:50.280 is a great way to like ramp up our base 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:53.000 and get like Republican vote people to vote Republicans. So 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:56.720 fully being used as a political pawn this woman. So 1:12:56.960 --> 1:12:59.519 in January of two thousand and five, now the Federal 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:02.920 Supreme like the US Supreme Court, refuses to hear this case. 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:04.280 And then the next month the. 1:13:04.200 --> 1:13:06.720 Shindlers try again to have the removal stopped so they 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:10.719 can try this new swallowing therapy. Terry is unable to swallow. 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:13.439 It's been years determined that she cannot swallow and feed 1:13:13.479 --> 1:13:15.320 herself on her own, because her parents have been trying 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:17.760 this whole time to say, okay, if you remove her 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:19.680 feeding tube, can we feed her? And it's like she 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:23.320 cannot swallow, like that will not help her condition. So 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:25.960 Judge Greer formally denied the motion and ordered the two 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:30.000 removal again Friday March eighteenth, my twin brother's birthday, two 1:13:30.040 --> 1:13:33.400 thousand and five, and then there was a media tycoon 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:35.600 named Robert Herring. I don't know who this guy is, 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:38.080 but he offered a million dollars to Michael Schaibo if 1:13:38.080 --> 1:13:40.400 he agreed to waive his guardianship over Terry and give 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:43.439 it to the parents, and he declines. He could have 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:45.000 walked away with the money and just been like, I'm 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:47.360 a bad guy, bye, but like, I'm going to take 1:13:47.400 --> 1:13:49.200 this money and go live with my family and start 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.080 my life again, because at this point I think he 1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:54.719 has two kids with his new partner, and he doesn't. 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:56.760 He declines because it is important to him for his 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:59.679 wife to have her final wishes as he saw them, 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:03.360 be fulfilled. So the parents keep filing appeals asking if 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:05.240 they could try to feed her by mouth. I like, 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:08.640 as I said, will not work. And now the president 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:09.240 is involved. 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:09.960 George W. 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:12.800 Bush and the Republicans are in Congress trying to figure 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:16.200 out a way to overturn this judge's ruling. And so 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.519 right after Greer orders the tube removal for March of 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:22.400 two thousand and five, Republicans in the United States Congress 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:27.000 subpoenat Michael and Terry Schaibo to testify as a Congressional hearing. 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:30.680 So obviously you're thinking, this woman is vegetative, how is 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:33.120 she going to testify? It doesn't matter. No one thinks 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:35.839 she's going to testify. But by calling her to testify, 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:38.360 they make her a witness, and that affords her witness protection, 1:14:38.800 --> 1:14:41.679 and that would allow for reinsertion of her feeding tube 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:45.519 so that she can be alive until she's able to testify. 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:48.240 Crazy the little hoops these guys are jumping through. And 1:14:48.280 --> 1:14:51.479 so on March twentieth, two thousand and five, so at 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:55.280 this point, they removed her feeding tube on March eighteenth, 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:57.439 So now it's March twentieth. It's two days later, and 1:14:57.479 --> 1:15:00.960 the Senate, by unanimous consent, pass their version of a 1:15:01.000 --> 1:15:03.760 relief bill. And after the Senate approval, the House of 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:06.960 Representatives passed an identical version of this bill, which became 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:11.080 known as the Palm Sunday Compromise, and they transferred jurisdiction 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:13.320 of the Shibo case to the federal courts, which would 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:15.439 take it out of Judge Greer's hands and put it 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:16.120 in the hands. 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:16.759 Of federal courts. 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:20.840 And then the bill was passed at twelve forty one 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:23.240 in the morning on March twenty first, and George W. 1:15:23.360 --> 1:15:24.840 Bush flew to Washington, d C. 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:27.760 From a vacation in Texas to sign the bill into 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:30.640 order at one am in that morning. So it was 1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:33.240 like a big rush because I think they're trying to 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:35.080 save her because now she's been two days without. 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:37.559 Her feeding to why can't they put this much effort 1:15:37.600 --> 1:15:42.800 into anything that truly can help humanity? This is so 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:46.439 confusing to me, I know, do you remember the public opinion. 1:15:46.960 --> 1:15:49.920 Was it really split? I think it was really split. 1:15:50.520 --> 1:15:52.200 I think it was really split. But I think that, 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:54.880 you know, obviously the media stuff, it's like if you 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:58.240 see people saw, oh, why can't her parents just keep 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:00.360 her alive if they want to keep her alive, And well, 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:02.280 he's saying that's not her wish, that she did not 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:05.320 want that, you know. So I remember people talking about 1:16:05.320 --> 1:16:06.840 that like, well, if he doesn't want to keep her alive, 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:07.680 then just divorce her. 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:09.160 Let her parents keep her alive, you know. 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:12.000 And he really felt like this is not humane and 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:13.120 not what the right thing was. 1:16:13.160 --> 1:16:15.400 And then that's that whole argument, like what is what 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:16.120 is humane? 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:19.600 So now it's March twenty fourth, she's been off the 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:23.000 feeding tube for six days. Judge Greer denied a petition 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:26.160 for intervention by the Florida Department of Children and Families 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:30.400 DCF and signed an order forbidding the department from taking 1:16:30.400 --> 1:16:34.479 possession of Terry or removing her from hospice, and he 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:37.920 directed each and every single sheriff on the in the 1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:41.759 state of Florida to enforce his order. So he denied 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:44.520 this petition from DCF, and then the order was appealed 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:47.040 to the Second District Court of Appeals the following day, 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:50.439 which resulted in an automatic stay under state law. So 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:53.320 while the stay was in effect, the Florida Department of 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:56.800 Law Enforcement was preparing to take custody of Terry and 1:16:56.840 --> 1:16:58.960 transfer her to a local hospital to have the two 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:01.960 put back in but when Greer found out about the stay, 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:05.679 he ordered it lifted. All parties stood down. Governor Bush 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:09.400 decided to obey the order despite enormous pressure from the 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.599 right and because he knew that if he had ignored 1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:14.880 Greer's order and attempted to remove her from the hospice, 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:17.639 there would have been a confrontation between the Panelis Park 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:21.160 Police Department and the FDL agents like there would have 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.120 just been. They both have orders from separate judge one 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:26.439 from one has orders from the governor one has orders 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:26.680 from a. 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:28.480 Judge, they would have had a clash. 1:17:29.000 --> 1:17:33.439 So eventually, I believe about thirteen days after her feeding 1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:36.200 tube was removed, Terry Schivo did pass away at the 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:39.559 Panelis Park Hospice March thirty first, two thousand and five, 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:42.760 at the age of forty one, much like in the episode. 1:17:43.080 --> 1:17:46.719 The autopsy which happened on April first, and it revealed 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:49.640 extensive brain damage. Her brain weighed half of what a 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:54.120 woman's brain her age should weigh. The persistent vegetative state 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:59.160 was completely confirmed. The medical Examiner John R. Thogmartin said 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:02.080 there was actually proof of the bolimia. He said, but 1:18:03.000 --> 1:18:05.759 who's to say it could have been other extreme dieting 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:06.519 or who knows? 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:10.040 But also, like what evidence of bolimia hold for what 1:18:10.120 --> 1:18:11.360 fifteen years at this point? 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:13.880 Yeah, that's true because usually it's like tooth decay and 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:16.000 stuff like that. I don't know, I really don't know. 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:18.599 At this point it's been fifteen years. I mean, this 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:19.640 is why this is. 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:24.639 I didn't realize how high up president flying around signing bills. 1:18:24.680 --> 1:18:29.599 This really was yeah, crazy, So Chief Medical Examiner thog 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:33.879 Morton wrote in his autopsy quote missus Shivo suffered severe 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:36.479 anoxic brain injury, the cause of which cannot be determined 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.320 with reasonable medical certainty. The manner of death will therefore 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:45.280 be certified as undetermined. So the cardiac arrest is the 1:18:45.479 --> 1:18:48.160 inciting health incident, but then her cause of death is 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:52.320 kind of undetermined, even though it's like she just her 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:56.480 body stopped functioning. And then on June twentieth, the cremated 1:18:56.520 --> 1:19:00.080 remains of Terry Schivo were buried. I don't really I 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:03.960 know what's up with that, But apparently Michael Schaibo didn't 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:06.360 even like tell her parents he was doing that, and 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:09.080 the Shindler's attorney stated that the family was notified by 1:19:09.160 --> 1:19:11.880 facts only after the memorial service had happened and they 1:19:11.880 --> 1:19:15.559 had already started getting calls from reporters. So I think 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:18.559 that they just had had so much animosity over the 1:19:18.600 --> 1:19:22.200 back and forth of this for years and years. But yeah, 1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:25.160 it's interesting. Like I was young and like kind of 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:27.599 paying attention to news and kind of not I don't 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:31.920 remember what like the public sentiment was around me, but 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:35.400 I remember thinking like, yeah, I wouldn't want to live 1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:37.640 like that, you know, I wouldn't want to be in 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:41.080 a persistive vegetative state, with like multiple doctors saying that 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:42.800 this is some of the worst brain damage they'd ever 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:47.200 seen and saying there's zero chance of ever coming back. 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:48.639 You know, I think a lot of people when there's 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:50.320 like a coma, a lot of people want to believe 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:52.120 in like a miracle, and people have woken up out 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:55.600 of comas. But persistive vegetative state, I think is like, 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:57.639 you're pretty far gone. 1:19:57.720 --> 1:19:58.320 And I don't know. 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:00.880 I don't know what her parents wanted to happen, Like 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:03.000 I guess doctor said she could have lived another ten 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:05.519 years on a feeding tube. 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:08.600 I don't know for what to visit. Yeah, so you 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:11.479 guys get to visit. These parents seem annoying as fuck, 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:15.400 but I get it. Yeah, but he obviously cared for her. 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:18.679 He could have had money throughout all of this time. 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:20.680 He could have divorced her and been like, fuck off, 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:23.880 I'm taking the million, Like I do trust him. I 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:26.240 don't know, Yeah, I'm just what you've told me. Just like, 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:29.000 look looking at the facts that I just heard. Fuck 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:32.280 the Republican Party, and Michael seems like a good guy. 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:34.880 Yeah, I mean, this is like what I'm finding out later. 1:20:34.960 --> 1:20:37.240 I definitely think back in the day when it was 1:20:38.120 --> 1:20:40.640 a punchline on late night shows, it was definitely like 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:43.880 there was something sinister about Michael Shaibo. People were like, ooh, 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:45.760 he's trying to kill his wife, and it's like when 1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:47.400 you actually get the dates in front. 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:47.920 Of you and you're like, no. 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:50.720 He traveled with her to California to try to get 1:20:50.760 --> 1:20:53.120 experimental treatments done for her. In the first few years 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:55.640 after it happened, like he was trying. It was like 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:58.000 eight years went by and he was like, I think 1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:00.919 we're done, and then like it wasn't until two thousand 1:21:00.960 --> 1:21:03.439 that really, like the court cases started up, so like 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:07.280 a decade of trying things and he was like, I 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:09.479 don't think this is how she wanted to live, So 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:13.120 I don't know that's the story, and that's you know, 1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:15.800 it's very clearly what they based the whole Chorus storyline on, 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:19.640 with a lot more obviously svuification of it, with the 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:22.960 guy being a rapist and having an insurance policy on her. 1:21:23.000 --> 1:21:25.479 But you know, she died in March of two thousand 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:28.320 and five. This episode came out November of two thousand 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:31.920 and five. Like, it's definitely connected, and I think it's 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:34.200 like an interesting way that they weaved it in to 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.960 the show because such such a huge topic that everyone 1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:37.840 was talking about. 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:39.800 Yeah, yeah, well. 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:41.519 I'm glad I could tell you about it, and now 1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:43.920 we have a really great guest. 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:44.760 I'm excited about it. 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:47.040 Well because I also, yeah, we obviously have a good guess. 1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:50.840 We always do not to be two cocky. But I 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:54.679 wonder if the movie Kill Bill like changed people's minds 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:57.680 or like if that kind of motivates people's decisions. 1:21:57.760 --> 1:21:59.400 You know, I still haven't seen it. I don't even 1:21:59.400 --> 1:22:02.360 know what you're talking aout. Oh I forgot, I forgot 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:05.559 huge touch well, like is there a right to die issue? 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:08.360 And kill Bill? I gotta watch it. I gotta watch it. 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.400 You're about to kill me, all right, I would be 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:12.479 happy to watch it with you. 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:18.800 But yeah, enjoy our guests, everybody. 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:24.960 Okay, guys, listen. 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:27.880 I know that we use the word legend a lot 1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:30.360 on this podcast, but we just I don't know what 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:31.880 to tell you. We just get a lot of legends 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:34.879 who want to talk to us, and today is no exception. 1:22:35.360 --> 1:22:38.719 This actress has been working since she was a child 1:22:38.920 --> 1:22:42.200 in little films by directors, you know, new directors that 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:45.880 maybe you've heard of Alfred Hitchcock. She was in the 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:49.720 movie The Birds, The Children's Hour, and perhaps you've seen 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:52.240 her in horror classics like Alien or Invasion of the 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:56.840 Body Snatchers. Today, though you know her as beleaguered mother 1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:01.559 Virginia Kennison. Please enjoy and take in and absorb our 1:23:01.640 --> 1:23:04.240 conversation with the amazing Veronica Cartwright. 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:09.559 Yay, Veronica, huge deal. This is a huge deal for us. 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:09.960 Thank you. 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:13.640 Well, you know it was funny because I looked it 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:18.840 up on Hulu and I found it. I found the show, 1:23:18.920 --> 1:23:21.280 so I actually rewatched it again because there was so 1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:22.720 many years ago that I did it. 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:24.760 Oh my gosh. Yeah. 1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:26.559 A lot of our guests today that they're like they 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:28.080 they never watched it the first time. 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:29.479 They came out because a lot of people hate. 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:31.679 To watch themselves, and then they're like, we want they 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:33.559 got to rewatch it for our podcast. So we hope 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:35.519 you we gave you a nice trip down memory lane. 1:23:35.840 --> 1:23:38.080 Oh except what was I thinking? Was my hair? 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:41.320 That's absolutly big for me. 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:44.720 Our first question is chunky blonde highlights? Was it you 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:45.400 or wardrobe? 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:48.760 Oh? Now, you know it was the thing I went through. 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:50.800 I don't know I got a lot of work that way. 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:54.280 I think I have no idea what I was thinking 1:23:54.400 --> 1:23:55.280 is a little awful. 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:57.320 I think I made you look kind of though, like 1:23:57.400 --> 1:24:00.000 a little bit like eccentric and probably made you stand down. 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:02.479 Oh you know, it's probably was a smart idea for. 1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:05.760 Kelli was of the time. I had chunky highlights. You know, 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:07.400 that was what we did. 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:10.679 Yeah, I mean it was what was it two thousand 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:15.240 and seven something like that. Yeah, yeah, So I guess 1:24:15.280 --> 1:24:17.040 it was just a thing that we did. 1:24:17.439 --> 1:24:21.599 I mean, and then while watching it, are there before 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.439 we ask our questions? Were there any like memories or 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:27.640 feelings that came to you while watching the episode? 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:31.320 Well, the girl, the girl who plays my daughter, Tina Holmes, 1:24:31.479 --> 1:24:34.360 is a terrific actress, and so it was really great 1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:37.240 to work with her. And then a couple of years 1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:41.840 later she played my daughter in Cold Case as well, 1:24:42.320 --> 1:24:45.160 so it was like a reunion. And then I think 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:49.040 I was blonde, just you know, change up. 1:24:49.080 --> 1:24:51.280 So I wonder if I saw your SVU and saw 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:53.160 the mother daughter chemistry. 1:24:54.080 --> 1:24:58.080 I doubt I did that very much, but it was 1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:01.639 was I was gad I rewatched it because I hadn't 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:05.920 realized it was actually a murder case that he had 1:25:06.040 --> 1:25:09.920 murdered my daughter, making her while she was anorexing and 1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:14.439 then of course having alcohol poisoning and going after her 1:25:14.520 --> 1:25:18.040 because of that, so him because of that. It was 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:19.240 a very sad story. 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:20.519 It's really really sad. 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.000 It's sad to think that you can just meet or 1:25:23.120 --> 1:25:27.160 date or befriend one person and they can truly change 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:30.160 your life for and for the worst forever. 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:33.760 It's just absolutely because she totally loved him, and then 1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:36.080 and then he would just he was just he was 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:39.920 a dog. Yeah, he really was awful his character, but 1:25:40.240 --> 1:25:43.760 he was a great, great guy to work with. Oh, Superman, 1:25:44.439 --> 1:25:48.760 but no, it was really an interesting twist, I thought so. 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.719 And then he ended up of course being such a 1:25:52.000 --> 1:25:56.679 nasty person. Yeah, and and it was so. 1:25:56.680 --> 1:26:01.080 Cruel to her, and everyone's saw it, and she just 1:26:01.160 --> 1:26:03.080 could she didn't see it. 1:26:04.040 --> 1:26:07.840 Well, how many people do we know? You No, don't 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:10.360 date this guy who's really not a cool guy. Oh 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:13.360 but I love him. Well, tough shit, I mean. 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:18.200 I know, and people so many people just don't heed 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:21.400 their friends and families advice even though they're the people 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:22.439 that know you the best. 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:26.000 So it's I know, you know, you know you go 1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:26.599 with your heart. 1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:29.320 Yes, I guess a lot of people lead with their heart. 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:32.360 One of the scenes that I was really curious about 1:26:32.400 --> 1:26:35.240 filming is when you are with Tina Holmes and she's 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:39.080 on the respirator and she's like blinking but slowly. 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:42.880 How was that filming with the blinking? Yeah? How was 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:44.400 that filming? The hospital? 1:26:44.520 --> 1:26:49.640 Well, well, you do believe. I believe that when you 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.840 see blinking, your first initial reaction would be that you 1:26:52.840 --> 1:26:56.559 would think that they were alive and breathing. And they 1:26:56.600 --> 1:26:59.479 are breathing, but they're on all of these tubes and 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:04.320 stuff like that. But it's it must be very, very 1:27:04.360 --> 1:27:07.479 disconcerting to have to pull your kid off of, you know, 1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:10.400 life support when they look so normal. 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:12.040 Yeah. Yeah. 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:16.160 A friend of mine's father went in for he broke 1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:20.000 his hip. He was ninety four, so, but he broke 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:22.840 his hip totally with it. Guy. This is a guy 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:27.760 that used to work out and everything, and he had 1:27:27.800 --> 1:27:32.200 a stroke apparently when he was under the anesthesia. But 1:27:32.320 --> 1:27:36.120 he was breathing by himself. His color was good, he 1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:41.559 looked totally like himself, and the doctor was screaming at him, 1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:44.200 and they'd go and they'd scream at him. To thinking 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:48.840 maybe and he lived like that for a week. He 1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:52.360 wasn't not a ventilator or anything. He was just he 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:54.960 must have just decided, Okay, now it's time to go. 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:58.840 But I mean to see somebody have the color in 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:03.080 their face and like what you're saying, you know they're alive. 1:28:03.640 --> 1:28:05.879 And it's weird when. 1:28:05.760 --> 1:28:08.960 You were doing the scenes where you got emotional cry 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:12.000 the tears, were you thinking of this case or do 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:15.160 you go to or like, yeah, are you within the character? 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:17.280 Do you have to think of your own personal kind 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:18.120 of Oh. 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:23.160 God, no motivation. No. I actually learned a long time 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:26.400 ago when I did the bird watching, just like a 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:30.880 handy work and being drug around the house with the 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:35.400 birds flying down. And you know what, if you just 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:39.320 lived in the situation and make it real. I mean, 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:41.559 how many times can you think of a dead dog? 1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:45.839 I mean, it just doesn't work. You've got to listen, 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:48.800 you know, you have to listen to what the other 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:51.160 character's saying and live in the moment. 1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:53.519 I just find it so impressive when you can do 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:56.240 like that restrained crying, Like I bet I could get 1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:59.000 myself to cry, but I'd probably just work myself up. 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:02.640 But you just like when they tell you, hey, it 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:05.120 turns out he wasn't lying. She did say she didn't 1:29:05.120 --> 1:29:06.840 want to live in a vegetative state. You just have 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:09.680 this one tear that pops out onto your cheek. It 1:29:09.720 --> 1:29:14.080 was like, really, really great work, Well. 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:14.240 Thank you. 1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:15.680 I just don't know how you do this, like a 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:18.280 strain thing where you let one little tear squeak out. 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:22.599 Well, I didn't think of it as being but I 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:27.160 was quite impressed with that too. No, it's so weird 1:29:27.200 --> 1:29:29.639 because I heard when I was like fifteen or sixteen 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:32.559 years old that Catherine Hepburn used to be able to 1:29:32.560 --> 1:29:35.880 cry from one eye or the other eye, And I said, 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:38.040 oh my god, how does she do that? And I 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:40.960 would practice in front of the mirror, you know, And 1:29:41.000 --> 1:29:43.280 I guess it is that you could do a muscle thing. 1:29:43.840 --> 1:29:46.559 But it's just not the same as if you just 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:50.280 are in the moment and you have to make it real. 1:29:50.560 --> 1:29:54.280 I mean, and if the person you're working with is there, 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:57.439 I don't know. I just use the other person, yeah, 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:00.799 and make it as real as I can for myself. 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:04.599 And if you just listen and watch, it can be there. 1:30:05.720 --> 1:30:08.200 Have you ever, You don't have to name any names, 1:30:08.240 --> 1:30:11.639 but curious if you've ever been acting across from someone 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:13.800 that's just not bringing it at the level that you 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:15.240 would like them to be bringing. 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:18.360 And how you deal with that? 1:30:21.000 --> 1:30:25.120 Well, what can you do? I mean, you can always 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:30.519 find something you are getting from the other person. I 1:30:30.520 --> 1:30:35.240 think I have never been haven't happened to myself, though 1:30:35.280 --> 1:30:38.680 I do know that it has happened to people. I 1:30:38.720 --> 1:30:43.000 remember Richard dreyf was telling me that he was doing 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:45.680 the same with that somebody just they were just not 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.960 doing anything. So he said the mixcuse me, could you 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:52.040 just stand over there to the right, I'm getting more 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:56.080 from the brick wall. And I mean I always thought, 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:59.400 oh god, that's totally classic. But the thing is, a 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:01.800 lot of times, you know, you're you're looking at a 1:31:01.800 --> 1:31:04.840 little white dot. Yes, maybe the act when you're doing 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.040 your close ups and stuff like that, they're behind the 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:09.920 camera so you have been eyeline, but half the time 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:13.160 you can't see them. So if you haven't picked up 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:16.800 your emotionality and your things that are going on, then 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:18.479 you know Europe. 1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:24.120 Well, then the flip side of the of the crying, 1:31:24.160 --> 1:31:26.320 maybe not the flip side, but a different, a different 1:31:27.600 --> 1:31:29.760 part of this episode where you got to do what 1:31:29.800 --> 1:31:31.960 we consider one of the high honors of that being 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:35.120 on an FBU episode, which is a courtroom outburst. 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:38.240 You got to do that. Amazing. So how was that? 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:40.400 I can't you. 1:31:40.439 --> 1:31:41.760 Got a scream bastard? 1:31:41.880 --> 1:31:49.280 That's on television in two thousand and seven. Maybe it 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:51.600 was right after what's his name showed just butt on 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:52.719 Hill Street Blues. 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:57.160 You remember that that was a big you mean. 1:31:57.520 --> 1:31:59.719 You mean Dennis frans on Blue. 1:32:00.160 --> 1:32:01.799 Yeah, when he took his pants. 1:32:01.840 --> 1:32:03.680 I was such a moment. 1:32:04.360 --> 1:32:09.400 A huge, huge moment. I mean, so maybe this was 1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:13.000 a bastard. Oh my gosh, I was really daring. 1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:16.840 Yeah, I mean Therery was. 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:19.960 He was bare face lying. He was just making stuff up. 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:22.439 As far as I was concerned, I didn't know that 1:32:22.479 --> 1:32:24.880 she had witnessed this accident, and as far as I 1:32:24.960 --> 1:32:28.120 was concerned, he was making it up so that he 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:32.519 could unplugg her. And I never had a good feeling 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:35.400 about him, so I don't know. I just sort of 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:38.559 made it easy. It was nice to work with Terry Garth. 1:32:38.720 --> 1:32:41.120 Oh, I was to ask you, she's like a lesson. 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:45.519 I know she. Terry and I did a show years 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:53.679 ago together and with Michael Uh Mike Ferrell, and he 1:32:53.960 --> 1:33:00.439 was accused of being of molesting children and we have 1:33:00.600 --> 1:33:03.280 this like little seven year old daughter and it was 1:33:03.360 --> 1:33:06.800 totally false accusations. But she played the lawyer that was 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:12.759 or the newspaper person that was coming and questioning. Well, 1:33:13.200 --> 1:33:15.360 I opened up the door and I looked at her 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:18.320 and the two of us started laughing. It was just 1:33:18.479 --> 1:33:22.599 absolutely horrible. We couldn't get three lines out without bursting 1:33:22.640 --> 1:33:27.719 into and we were hysterical. Finally, John v Met the director, 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:33.599 said you girls get in that bathroom walking up because 1:33:33.600 --> 1:33:37.800 it was ridiculous. So she's a way were reminiscing about that. 1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:42.519 She's terrific. She's such a great person, and it's and 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:48.120 you know, she has MNS and so she was in 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:53.280 a wheelchair, not the whole time, but the director of 1:33:53.280 --> 1:33:57.720 photography also had an infliction where he was in a wheelchair, 1:33:58.360 --> 1:34:02.120 and you know, she she felt a little uncourage. He says, look, 1:34:02.240 --> 1:34:06.799 we've got this entire system down because they had ramps 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:10.920 fly out. Those put the ramps in up the courthouse, 1:34:11.320 --> 1:34:13.720 every single thing. He said, just fall on me, and 1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:18.040 so she did. And they tried to fire him at 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:21.479 one point, and the entire casting crew said no, if 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:26.320 you lose, we leave. So he directed. He was cinematographer 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:29.759 for years, and so that was very very cool. 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:33.080 I thought, Wow, it's good to know that US few 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:37.519 was ahead of their time in being able to accommodate everyone, 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:40.520 everyone to be able to work at their best abilities. 1:34:41.120 --> 1:34:43.719 That's nice to hear about that kind of thing. Yes, 1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:47.120 And I don't know was it a connection. 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:50.040 Did you meet Neil bear on er and then he 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:52.280 reached out to do this part or these non c 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:53.919 these do not connect. 1:34:54.400 --> 1:34:56.600 They probably don't. 1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:01.639 There's so much r as vu that we always assumed 1:35:01.680 --> 1:35:04.439 that Neil Bher was just kind of plucking people from 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:05.360 the er days. 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:07.880 Danny just loves good actresses. 1:35:08.000 --> 1:35:10.840 He's always when we talked to him, it seems like 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:12.439 you'd be someone he was obsessed with. 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:21.639 Oh good, yeah, remember. 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:19.720 That woman you were obsessed? 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:26.519 Well another person famously, we saw that your sister acted. 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:28.800 Did you guys ever act together? And then while you 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:31.840 guys were acting, were you competitive? Were you supportive? How 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:33.920 was it both being like stars? 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:34.479 So young? 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:40.680 Well, Angela was three and a half because we emigrated 1:35:40.760 --> 1:35:43.360 here from what we were born in England and then 1:35:43.360 --> 1:35:45.800 we emigrated to Canada and we were in Canada, but 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:48.840 my dad always wanted to come to America, and for 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:54.320 some reason, Los Angeles, and so we drove across country 1:35:55.040 --> 1:35:58.719 and we moved into an apartment in El Segundo, and 1:36:00.080 --> 1:36:02.639 my dad was a technical artist, and it was across 1:36:02.680 --> 1:36:06.840 from Rocket Dyne. Actually that particular place was across from 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:11.920 the airport. But they worked well. My mother didn't know anybody, 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:15.720 I mean, we didn't even have a telephone, and so 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:19.200 she asked the landlady if she knew how they could 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:22.439 meet people. And so the landlady says, well, your kids 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:25.000 are awfully cute. The girl, the lady down the street, 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:27.960 her daughter does modeling and stuff, so why don't you 1:36:28.040 --> 1:36:30.479 talk to her? What possessed my mother? I have no 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:34.040 idea that she did. And the phone calls used to 1:36:34.040 --> 1:36:38.400 come through the manager's office, you know, like four interviews. 1:36:38.680 --> 1:36:40.880 Well in those days they used to do these things 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:45.599 called cattle calls, and the cattle calls where every child, 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:48.640 you know, under a certain age would go in. I 1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:52.240 went in for this part that Angela went up for, 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:55.120 which was insane. I mean I was what six and 1:36:55.160 --> 1:36:57.719 a half seven and she was three and a half. 1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:00.719 And it was somebody up there like me, Paul Newman 1:37:00.960 --> 1:37:04.639 and Pierre Angeli, and she got it. The first job 1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:08.559 she went on, she got and I had long grades 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:12.439 and thousands of trickles and blue eyes, and I used 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:16.400 to do all of these Kellogg's commercials. I did corn Flakes, 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:20.160 I did Rice Chris, I did sugar Spats, different, all 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:23.720 these different things. But we were never really in competition 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:27.120 with each other because we looked so different. We did 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:33.160 get to work together on The Alfred Hitchcock Hour and 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:38.040 we did an episode called the Schwartz Metaclune Method and 1:37:38.080 --> 1:37:40.800 it was with Hermione giggled and we got to play 1:37:40.840 --> 1:37:44.720 sisters and so that was fun. Oh that was great. 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:48.160 And I did the Children's Hour, which is. 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:50.200 One of my favorite of all time. 1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:52.120 I was a movie too. 1:37:53.240 --> 1:37:55.000 Yeah, that was a big thing. 1:37:55.160 --> 1:37:57.200 In high school. We read it and it was just 1:37:57.280 --> 1:37:59.000 it kind of changed my life in a way. 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:00.960 That show. It means a lot to me. 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:04.639 Well, it's interest. I went to a high school and 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:08.160 they showed the movie and we discussed it. So that 1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:10.560 was kind of interesting. 1:38:10.439 --> 1:38:13.439 Because you were in it the movie that they showed. Yeah, yeah, 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:14.920 it's why. 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:18.080 Yeah, because it was one of those things you know 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:21.439 that came up to and they asked me if I 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:23.240 would do it, and I said sure, that'd be great. 1:38:23.680 --> 1:38:26.480 So we watched the movie and then we discussed it afterwards, 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:29.360 which you know, it was really sort of ahead of 1:38:29.400 --> 1:38:33.040 its time, I mean talking about lesbianism. I mean, people 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:36.280 were so uptight. What did they do that in nineteen 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:42.000 sixty sixty one We did that movie and people pulled 1:38:42.000 --> 1:38:44.320 their kids out of doing the movie once they found 1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:47.120 out what it was about, and it was just weird. 1:38:47.760 --> 1:38:50.439 But we had always taken these sort of little singing 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:53.880 and dancing classes and acting classes where we did little 1:38:53.880 --> 1:38:57.240 plays on the side with Frank Waika and Bill Lockwood. 1:38:57.560 --> 1:38:59.880 But we ended up being really good friends with him 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:01.960 and go over there and sign these cats that used 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:03.720 to be able to open the doors and stuff. We 1:39:03.720 --> 1:39:06.960 al said it was fascinating and they were just really 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:10.040 nice guys. So my mom says to me, this is 1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:13.800 just like frank and Bill only two women. Well that 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:16.360 seemed perfectly fine to me. I mean, they seem to 1:39:16.520 --> 1:39:19.479 be being totally normal. Which when I have to tell 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:22.679 the lie about seeing them kiss, was me really telling 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:28.559 the lie about seeing something? I mean, because it was, 1:39:29.040 --> 1:39:32.080 you know, just like Franklin and Bill on like two women. 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:33.719 I mean, my mom was pretty cool. 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:36.320 Yeah, she sounds like she was very progressive. 1:39:37.160 --> 1:39:38.639 Yeah, later on. 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:44.519 Well, also, your character in the Children's Hour is named Rosalie, 1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:47.879 which is my daughter's name, and I love that little connection. Yes, 1:39:49.280 --> 1:39:52.280 but can you so tell us about working with Alfred Hitchcock. 1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:55.120 I mean, was that we've never been able to ask you, We've. 1:39:54.920 --> 1:39:57.440 Never thought we would ever ask anyone on our podcast 1:39:58.640 --> 1:39:59.439 A Hitchcock. 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:04.120 Well, do you know? Well I was twelve and I 1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:10.400 thought he was just terrific. He never was intimidating to me. 1:40:10.960 --> 1:40:14.000 I mean, I guess Tippy had an entirely different relationship 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:18.200 with him. But I was twelve and I asked him 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:21.920 the questions. My first meeting was a request to meet 1:40:22.000 --> 1:40:27.320 him in his bungalow at Universal Studios. And I had 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:32.240 already done two or three Alfred Hitchcock TV shows, but 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:37.679 they were sort of unrelated. And I was born in Bristol, England, 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:40.719 and it turned out to be where his favorite wine 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:45.000 cellar was, so of course he proceeded to give me 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:47.760 names of wine. But at twelve I didn't whip out 1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:51.519 my pad and start writing writing those things down. I 1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:56.559 wish I had, and he was just a very He 1:40:56.600 --> 1:41:00.000 was just great, so I never felt intimidated. I would 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:02.960 ask him questions about how they did stuff like the 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:05.519 birds on the Jungle Gym. A lot of them were 1:41:05.600 --> 1:41:09.840 cardboard or across the tops of the wires, you know, 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:13.320 the telephone wires and stuff like that, but then real 1:41:13.400 --> 1:41:17.599 birds were mixed in with them. And he says, well, 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:23.840 if you see movement, you assume everything is alive. And 1:41:23.880 --> 1:41:26.800 it's absolutely true to this day. I can watch that 1:41:26.880 --> 1:41:30.080 movie and think I found a fake bird, and then 1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:35.600 it moves. I mean, it's fascinating. And when we go 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:39.439 to leave, we're walking out of that door. But the 1:41:39.479 --> 1:41:43.200 door there was no door. So I asked him about, well, 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:45.720 there's no door here. He says, well, if there was 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:47.519 a door, I would be able to see you, now, 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:51.240 would I. So let's show her Rod, And then Rod 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:54.880 Taylor bends down and he mind opening the door, and 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:57.439 the big shadow comes across our face and all of 1:41:57.479 --> 1:41:59.920 a sudden we're in light and there was the door. 1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:02.720 I mean, And he says, you see, this is the 1:42:02.760 --> 1:42:07.120 magic of movies. Now. So I feel incredibly privileged that 1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:13.040 I have had those treats to him, because you know 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:18.840 people have a weird reputation or with older women. 1:42:19.600 --> 1:42:22.520 Yeah, most people can't say they've had those kind of experiences. 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:24.720 Do you have any other stories from the Birds that 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:26.000 you'd like to share? 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:30.799 On my thirteenth birthday, they threw me an entire cast 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:37.839 and crew birthday party, which was a total surprise and huge, 1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:41.840 big cake, and Jessica Candy gave me a sweater and 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:45.840 Tippy gave me at a love Birds and I used 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:50.160 to sit and have tea every afternoon with Alfred Hitchcock 1:42:50.360 --> 1:42:53.080 At four o'clock. Everything shut down for half an hour 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:55.639 while he would sit and have his tea and gather 1:42:55.720 --> 1:42:58.479 his thoughts, and so I would do that with him. 1:42:58.560 --> 1:43:01.080 So he had a woman, Peggy Robinson, who was his 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:03.880 assistant to bring out the tea and stuff like that. 1:43:04.760 --> 1:43:09.040 So he goes Peggy and she hands him this board, 1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:12.800 white board and a black crayon and he wrote to 1:43:12.920 --> 1:43:17.320 the woman I loved Veronica, drew his face and then 1:43:17.360 --> 1:43:23.080 signed his name. So it was just wow, so cool. 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:24.920 Do you still have any of those? 1:43:25.120 --> 1:43:29.240 I do tibal paper and I actually lent it to 1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:31.920 the Hollywood Museum. They were doing a whole thing on 1:43:31.960 --> 1:43:36.880 Alfred Hitchcock and stuff. Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:40.840 and I've never been a great one to save a 1:43:40.880 --> 1:43:43.920 bunch of stuff, so that was nice. I did. I 1:43:43.960 --> 1:43:48.280 saved for ages the pod from Invasion of the Body Snatcher, 1:43:48.880 --> 1:43:51.719 but it moved from like three different houses and somewhere 1:43:51.760 --> 1:43:53.880 along the line it disappeared. 1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:54.840 And that was sad. 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:55.880 I really liked that. 1:43:56.080 --> 1:44:01.599 Paul, You've done so much. I conic horror. You know, 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:05.880 You've been in such important things I have. 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:10.080 I have been very lucky being but you know it's 1:44:10.280 --> 1:44:12.720 the parts too. I mean, I've been lucky that and 1:44:12.880 --> 1:44:16.280 it seems a lot of the time. I am the 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:20.360 sort of savior. I am the smart one. If anybody 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:23.000 listened to me when we did Alien, we'd be fine. 1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:25.920 I mean, I did not know that I was going 1:44:25.960 --> 1:44:30.320 to get, you know, whacked by Donald Sutherland of the 1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:33.120 end of Invasion of the Body standards. I was told 1:44:33.160 --> 1:44:37.599 one thing and then still told them Donald a different thing. 1:44:37.720 --> 1:44:41.240 So that was a total reaction. I had no idea 1:44:41.360 --> 1:44:43.040 that he was going to be a pod because there 1:44:43.080 --> 1:44:45.880 was nobody around. This is perfect I need and I 1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:48.800 check out everything. I mean, I discover how I can, 1:44:48.920 --> 1:44:51.519 you know, sleep and I guess I took a lot 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:55.559 of Benny's. I don't know that's why I was so emotional. 1:44:56.000 --> 1:45:00.800 But I mean, I have really my character really have been. 1:45:00.920 --> 1:45:04.320 I've been the one who says, you know what if 1:45:04.960 --> 1:45:08.680 this was the case, or let's Truss struggling it off 1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:11.639 of the ship, there's there's obviously something out there that's 1:45:11.680 --> 1:45:17.439 killing us, and nobody listens. It's very sad. 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:19.320 Well, I was going to ask you if there are 1:45:19.320 --> 1:45:21.519 any roles that you're still dying to play, and maybe 1:45:21.560 --> 1:45:25.040 it's just somebody who people listen to. Maybe you get 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:27.760 to make the big suggestion and everybody goes, you're right, 1:45:27.840 --> 1:45:28.160 and then. 1:45:28.160 --> 1:45:33.920 They yeah, that's it. I don't know if there's I mean, 1:45:34.000 --> 1:45:38.559 I love working, so yeah, I'm just I think I've 1:45:38.560 --> 1:45:42.800 been able to play some really terrific parts. And there's 1:45:42.880 --> 1:45:47.120 movies that haven't been that good or nobody's ever seen, 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:49.799 and sometimes I think it's some of my best works. 1:45:50.160 --> 1:45:52.920 I don't know, you know, it's like, but that's okay. 1:45:53.479 --> 1:45:55.360 I mean I feel good about that. 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:58.240 Well, I saw you kind of semi recently in one 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:00.400 of my favorite shows, the audience of this podcas Cast Knows, 1:46:00.439 --> 1:46:01.519 I talk about the show all the time. 1:46:01.560 --> 1:46:02.280 But I love. 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:06.640 BOSH and you were like, a that was such a 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:10.320 like terrifying storyline that you were in, And I was like, like, 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:12.120 your character doesn't. 1:46:11.880 --> 1:46:16.360 Come to a great end, but you love working on 1:46:16.439 --> 1:46:18.280 BOSH with that scary scary man. 1:46:18.880 --> 1:46:24.599 Oh yeah, he yes, I mean, and it was really 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:27.680 a great part. I mean, I couldn't believe in those glasses, 1:46:27.720 --> 1:46:30.640 those horrible glasses, and I had to wear that. I 1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:32.640 couldn't see it, but they had sort of give me 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:36.800 a little guiding put things onto like the table, follow 1:46:36.840 --> 1:46:40.160 it to the end of the table, and then make 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:42.519 a beeline to this other daughter over here because I 1:46:42.520 --> 1:46:47.200 couldn't see a thing out of those glasses. So but 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:49.800 she was a She was a fun character. You don't 1:46:49.840 --> 1:46:53.400 get to play the often. And Wolvers is just great. 1:46:53.760 --> 1:46:56.840 I really like him. Titus is just he's terrific. 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:59.479 And he's an SBO alum. He's been on multiple episodes 1:46:59.479 --> 1:47:01.200 of SBU oh yeah. 1:47:01.240 --> 1:47:03.800 Because you know a lot of times they won't rehire 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:09.400 you for stuff. It's like I did a Closer and 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:12.960 then they did that continuation of the Closer that with 1:47:13.360 --> 1:47:17.880 Mary McDonald and I loved that show, so I thought 1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:20.479 in the part came up and they wouldn't hire me 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:25.240 because nine years earlier I had done a closer with 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:25.920 dark hair. 1:47:26.720 --> 1:47:32.400 H what a stupid rule, beautiful stupid doesn't follow that, 1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:35.160 They'll they'll probably have you back, keep your phone, keep 1:47:35.200 --> 1:47:35.840 your phone closed. 1:47:35.840 --> 1:47:39.360 I watch it, I do. It's so funny because I 1:47:39.600 --> 1:47:42.040 didn't watch it. I watched some of the other stuff. 1:47:42.479 --> 1:47:47.679 But she's wonderful. Marishka Haggerty. She is. She's a real character. 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:51.840 She's just down to earth. She's really funny. And you 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:54.559 know she likes her Shapsburg chocolate. 1:47:55.320 --> 1:47:57.360 Oh we've never gotten that little bit. 1:47:58.120 --> 1:48:01.280 Yes she does. She has to have a couple of chunks. 1:48:04.000 --> 1:48:06.320 But I thought she was terrific. She's great. I mean, 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:08.160 the whole show is really a good show. 1:48:08.280 --> 1:48:10.120 Yeah. I wanted to ask you. 1:48:10.200 --> 1:48:12.120 So, this is like a thing that I just read 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:14.559 in your Wikipedia and then I confirmed it that you're 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:17.720 on the cover of the Scissor Sisters album I Don't 1:48:17.720 --> 1:48:20.920 Feel Like Dancing, which is a favorite song of my 1:48:21.040 --> 1:48:23.880 daughters and mine that we listened to all the time together. 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:25.800 And I was like, no way, how did you get 1:48:25.800 --> 1:48:26.960 involved with the Scissor Sisters. 1:48:27.000 --> 1:48:27.519 I love them. 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:33.280 I had always paid for you know, a certain amount 1:48:33.280 --> 1:48:35.200 of five dollars a month or something so that my 1:48:35.240 --> 1:48:39.040 telephone will not be listed. This was my home phone. Well, 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:41.680 I get paid for it for years, and then I 1:48:41.760 --> 1:48:45.479 get this call one day and it's Jake Shears and 1:48:46.520 --> 1:48:50.519 Jake he goes, Hi is this roundic? Who is this? 1:48:50.760 --> 1:48:53.559 And he goes, oh, well, I take shares im with 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:56.080 the Scissor sisters, and please don't hang up on me. 1:48:56.160 --> 1:48:58.640 I'm not a stalker. I said, well, how did you 1:48:58.680 --> 1:49:00.920 get this number? He goes, I just looked it up 1:49:00.920 --> 1:49:01.880 in the directory? 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:04.320 Oh my gosh. 1:49:04.360 --> 1:49:07.160 And I called up and I said, well, why am 1:49:07.160 --> 1:49:09.880 I paying all this money each month for all of 1:49:09.920 --> 1:49:14.519 these years to have an unlisted phone number? And but anyway, 1:49:14.680 --> 1:49:18.280 so he asked me if I would do the cover 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:21.840 of their you know, it's the elevator one. We all 1:49:21.880 --> 1:49:26.080 come out, and I said sure, And it turned out 1:49:26.120 --> 1:49:29.920 to be Rocky Shank who did the photography, and they 1:49:30.040 --> 1:49:32.120 dressed me and Armani and then they had made a 1:49:32.360 --> 1:49:35.559 long gray way and we drove around in a taxi 1:49:35.600 --> 1:49:38.599 cab and they took pictures. I mean, I had so 1:49:38.720 --> 1:49:42.320 much fun. It was just it was so so cool 1:49:43.040 --> 1:49:46.439 and yeah. So I'm on the the LP the A 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:47.599 Little forty five. 1:49:47.920 --> 1:49:49.920 I love it. That's so I like. 1:49:50.040 --> 1:49:51.320 I mean when I read it, I was like, I'm 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:52.960 gonna look this up. And then I zoomed in I 1:49:53.000 --> 1:49:54.720 saw you. Yeah, I was like that there she. 1:49:54.800 --> 1:49:58.519 Is very very elegant. Yes, really fun. 1:49:58.560 --> 1:50:01.599 You look like yeah, you look like a cult leader 1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:05.240 or something, just like very you know, like beautiful, long 1:50:05.280 --> 1:50:06.800 gray hair and like yop. 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:07.360 It was. 1:50:07.439 --> 1:50:10.439 It was really fun to do. And then I stayed 1:50:10.439 --> 1:50:14.240 in touch with Jake. I'm good friends with Clinton and 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:23.240 Loop who's Cocco. Yeah, and so Rocky Shank and Cocoa 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:25.920 and I went to see the Scissor Sisters at a 1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:27.719 pop up show in Santa Monica. 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:28.400 Oh my god. 1:50:28.520 --> 1:50:32.360 I heard about it because Rocky stayed in touch because 1:50:32.400 --> 1:50:35.040 of the music end of it, because he did he 1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:38.840 did Adyl's first video and stuff like that. So the 1:50:38.920 --> 1:50:43.799 three of us went to the show. It was so cool. 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:47.760 I mean, they were just so they're so great. And 1:50:47.920 --> 1:50:50.680 afterwards we were walking around, this guy comes up to 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:54.120 she goes, you are my favorite actress. I just love you, 1:50:54.320 --> 1:51:01.320 I said, David Groll. Oh cool. I mean, my girlfriend 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:03.519 is so jealous. That that happens. 1:51:04.960 --> 1:51:07.920 I love that you're friends with Coco Peru. That's amazing. 1:51:08.560 --> 1:51:11.200 I cannot even I like Google to make sure I 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:12.360 was right, and then I was like, oh my. 1:51:12.439 --> 1:51:16.240 Yeah, well I met her doing a movie called Straight Jacket, 1:51:16.920 --> 1:51:21.320 and which is a hysterically silly movie. Richard Day did 1:51:21.360 --> 1:51:24.040 this movie is and I talked like that this little 1:51:24.040 --> 1:51:26.200 black Wigan and I talked about Jane Russell and everything's 1:51:26.200 --> 1:51:28.479 a mile a minute, and I'm the agent of the well, 1:51:28.520 --> 1:51:30.840 every person who was gay in the movie played a 1:51:30.880 --> 1:51:34.080 straight person, and everybody who is straight plays a gay person. 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:38.759 And she plays this woman that's supposed to be married 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:41.960 to this head of the studio, Coco. Her name is 1:51:42.000 --> 1:51:45.360 Beatrice in the movie, and she keeps asking me if 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:48.000 I played golf. Well, I live on a golf course, 1:51:48.600 --> 1:51:51.960 and you have to just see. The movie is short 1:51:52.080 --> 1:51:55.519 and it's absolutely hysterical. It's called Straight Jacket. So that's 1:51:55.560 --> 1:51:58.560 where I met Coco, And of course I go and 1:51:58.640 --> 1:52:03.479 see her shows and he's a great guy. He's really terrific. Yeah. 1:52:03.479 --> 1:52:05.120 I didn't know if maybe you met Coco because you 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:06.920 played did you play Jack's. 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:07.719 Mom on Will and Grace? 1:52:08.120 --> 1:52:10.679 Uh huh, yeah, so, and Coco was always on Will 1:52:10.680 --> 1:52:11.559 and Grace in and out. 1:52:11.800 --> 1:52:14.559 So yeah, well I thought I would do more too. 1:52:14.800 --> 1:52:17.439 That was very show. And you know, it's so weird 1:52:17.479 --> 1:52:21.759 because I replaced somebody on that show, so I had 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:25.000 I had the Monday, we read the bread through of 1:52:25.120 --> 1:52:30.600 the script and on Tuesday they took my measurements for wardrobe. 1:52:31.280 --> 1:52:34.479 I did wardrobe. I had a lady following me around, 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:37.439 a script supervisor following me around so I could get 1:52:37.479 --> 1:52:40.080 all those words because we shot that night on Tuesday night. 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:43.280 I mean it was like so quick and such a turnaround. 1:52:43.360 --> 1:52:43.920 Oh my god. 1:52:44.040 --> 1:52:47.080 And I had a ball on that show. It was 1:52:47.120 --> 1:52:50.160 really fun. Yeah, and I really thought that they'd have 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:52.639 me back because most people thought Agents of Three shows 1:52:52.680 --> 1:52:56.599 because there were so many parts to that one particular episode. Yeah, 1:52:57.320 --> 1:53:00.759 they never And then they started bringing me back and 1:53:00.840 --> 1:53:03.240 he was supposed to be shaving his legs and I'm 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:07.280 doing a pod thing, but they never did it. So 1:53:07.640 --> 1:53:08.360 it was a shame. 1:53:09.720 --> 1:53:12.200 Well, you only were you only worked on about seventy 1:53:12.200 --> 1:53:13.720 thousand other projects after that. 1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:18.800 Well, one of the other things we have scary movie too. 1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:21.559 The scary movies were meant a lot to me, so 1:53:22.120 --> 1:53:23.040 while you were shooting. 1:53:23.120 --> 1:53:28.400 My God, you had very strange choice. A scary movie too. 1:53:28.840 --> 1:53:34.280 My audition for a scary movie too was insane. I 1:53:34.320 --> 1:53:37.439 had to go up to this building, it's a very 1:53:37.479 --> 1:53:41.120 old building, is a beautiful building on Highland and Hollywood Boulevard, 1:53:42.000 --> 1:53:47.360 and go into a room and sing Hello Dolly at 1:53:47.400 --> 1:53:53.040 the top of my lungs and oh my god, nice 1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:57.920 and they kept saying louder, bigger, bigger, louder, and here 1:53:57.960 --> 1:54:01.920 I am hello. I mean, it was just absolutely insane. 1:54:02.400 --> 1:54:05.960 I come out and there's a ups man who's just 1:54:07.240 --> 1:54:09.960 and he looks at me like I have lost time. 1:54:10.800 --> 1:54:13.240 I mean, it was just a look on his face. 1:54:13.920 --> 1:54:16.880 So originally I was supposed to be Marlon Brando. Jimmy 1:54:16.920 --> 1:54:20.320 Woods was supposed to be Marlon Brando, and then Marlon 1:54:20.360 --> 1:54:23.479 Brando got sick, so then Jimmy, Jimmy did it? 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:25.720 Have you ever been starstruck? 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:28.920 You've worked with so many people as anyone ever made 1:54:28.920 --> 1:54:32.080 you like, Oh my goodness. 1:54:31.680 --> 1:54:35.120 Well, I'll tell you. Shirlie McClain. Actually she was ended 1:54:35.200 --> 1:54:39.600 up being my mentor sort of. She was so terrific 1:54:39.720 --> 1:54:43.000 to me when we were doing the Children's Hour, and 1:54:43.040 --> 1:54:46.640 she would give me little tips. She would say, Honey, 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:50.120 don't don't lose your tears on off camera, Stone, wait 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:52.880 until the camera comes on you, otherwise you know you 1:54:53.280 --> 1:54:57.000 won't be It was like all these odd tips when 1:54:57.040 --> 1:55:01.560 I did the breakdown scene, which it was a bit cruel, 1:55:01.760 --> 1:55:03.840 I think, to do to an eleven year old, is 1:55:03.920 --> 1:55:06.640 what they did. I kept, I mean, and you know, 1:55:06.720 --> 1:55:09.760 I'd worked quite a bit. So he sort of build up, 1:55:09.840 --> 1:55:13.360 and you build up, and William Wyler said, Okay, we're 1:55:13.400 --> 1:55:15.760 going to be shooting this one, so you pour it 1:55:15.800 --> 1:55:17.480 on a little more. And then he turned to the 1:55:18.160 --> 1:55:21.560 send him aatographer and he said, okay, now shoot it, 1:55:22.040 --> 1:55:26.320 at which point I had rehearsed it like four or 1:55:26.360 --> 1:55:29.320 five times. I don't even know when it was acting 1:55:29.360 --> 1:55:32.240 anymore when I did that, But she was the first 1:55:32.280 --> 1:55:34.640 person to come over and hug me and tell me 1:55:34.680 --> 1:55:39.080 how wonderful I was, and she was just I don't know, 1:55:39.160 --> 1:55:42.280 she was really great to me, and I didn't realize 1:55:42.320 --> 1:55:45.200 it until years later. And I had a dream when 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:47.680 that she was there and I walked It was in 1:55:48.600 --> 1:55:50.880 Las Vegas, and I walked down the full length of 1:55:50.920 --> 1:55:54.920 the swimming pools to tell her that I wanted to, 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:59.000 you know, because I had seen her do when they 1:55:59.240 --> 1:56:02.160 did as used to have to do wardrobe on film 1:56:02.320 --> 1:56:05.960 and they would you know, it was put on pedestal 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:09.040 in you spin and we were told to stay away 1:56:09.040 --> 1:56:13.920 from her. Christy told dirty jokes and I was there 1:56:13.960 --> 1:56:16.880 because I was next up, and I thought she was 1:56:16.960 --> 1:56:22.120 just slowly turning, and she was had such rapport with 1:56:22.320 --> 1:56:24.240 the crew, and I thought, that's who I want to 1:56:24.280 --> 1:56:26.800 be like. I want to have that kind of a 1:56:26.920 --> 1:56:31.000 rapport with the crew and all of the people. So 1:56:31.040 --> 1:56:34.440 she was she really was like a mentor. Well, I 1:56:34.560 --> 1:56:39.320 was doing a play at this theater that the Music 1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:45.120 Center bought on Vine Avenue, Hollywood and Vine, and it 1:56:45.240 --> 1:56:48.160 had to close down because of the Christmas Parade. 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:49.520 So I saw she was. 1:56:49.480 --> 1:56:52.320 Doing the one woman show over on Wilshire Boulevard. So 1:56:52.400 --> 1:56:55.080 I decided I was going to go see her. So 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:57.640 I watched the show and it was fantastic. And then 1:56:57.640 --> 1:57:01.839 I went backstage and I can I see Shirley McClain 1:57:02.240 --> 1:57:04.720 and are you on the list? I said, no, he 1:57:04.800 --> 1:57:06.920 goes well, I said, would you just tell I worked 1:57:06.920 --> 1:57:08.640 with her years ago, would you just tell her for 1:57:08.720 --> 1:57:12.440 Ronnie the Cartwrink next thing I know, the guy goes, well, 1:57:12.520 --> 1:57:15.920 she will see you. And I walked in and she goes, honey, 1:57:16.040 --> 1:57:20.960 I have followed your career and I went, oh my god, 1:57:22.000 --> 1:57:24.920 I say, and I had a dream. It was like 1:57:25.000 --> 1:57:27.600 so weird because she does all of those path live 1:57:27.760 --> 1:57:30.240 things and stuff like that and talks about dreams and 1:57:30.240 --> 1:57:33.000 stuff in her book, so it was really cool. 1:57:37.080 --> 1:57:38.760 She's so funny. I love her. 1:57:39.560 --> 1:57:41.520 Yes, Payton to keep your name out of the Yellow 1:57:41.560 --> 1:57:42.680 Pages iconic. 1:57:44.520 --> 1:57:47.120 Yeah, I love these badass bitches we get to talk 1:57:47.160 --> 1:57:53.400 to who've really just been working, working, just work fun, 1:57:54.080 --> 1:57:58.120 you know, self aware, knew her highlights were wild. It's 1:57:58.360 --> 1:58:07.000 it's nice, yeahalented, hard working, badass yeah an episode, yeah, definitely, 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:08.120 and have good crime. 1:58:08.240 --> 1:58:09.400 I didn't know what she looked like. 1:58:10.200 --> 1:58:12.920 I can't believe it was so high up that the 1:58:12.960 --> 1:58:16.800 president was involved in last minute pluggings and unpluggings of 1:58:16.840 --> 1:58:19.160 like one believe mcwoman in Florida. 1:58:19.400 --> 1:58:20.760 It's kind of wild, you know. 1:58:20.840 --> 1:58:24.240 It's like, I just think back then, the issues that 1:58:24.280 --> 1:58:27.040 the Republicans would like latch onto because they knew it 1:58:27.040 --> 1:58:31.040 would like invigorate their base were just like not as 1:58:31.240 --> 1:58:33.600 now we know what it is now we know it's like, oh, 1:58:33.680 --> 1:58:36.800 guns and you know whatever drag, you know how drag 1:58:36.920 --> 1:58:40.000 is killing children and all that, like it's so obvious. 1:58:40.080 --> 1:58:41.720 But this kind of thing, I don't. 1:58:41.560 --> 1:58:45.640 Know, this right to death argument was in the conversation, 1:58:45.880 --> 1:58:49.360 but not necessarily maybe it was our age, but not 1:58:49.400 --> 1:58:50.840 necessarily something we would know about. 1:58:51.000 --> 1:58:54.360 No, it was like a walking punchline, I feel like 1:58:54.720 --> 1:58:57.160 from someone that's what I saw it at. 1:58:57.280 --> 1:58:59.320 Yeah, I didn't know the downs and outs of the case. 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:02.760 A lot of things that are punchlines, like Monica Lewinsky 1:59:03.080 --> 1:59:06.800 and you know, all these we've learned later are not 1:59:07.160 --> 1:59:09.520 like the way Amber heard is a punchline right now. 1:59:09.520 --> 1:59:12.000 It's kind of like I think in five years people 1:59:12.040 --> 1:59:13.840 are gonna be like that was fucked up. 1:59:14.000 --> 1:59:16.920 Yeah, and I didn't realize how long he waited, like 1:59:17.000 --> 1:59:19.800 eight to ten years denying money, Like I don't know 1:59:19.840 --> 1:59:20.960 why anyone thought he was. 1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:26.000 A shady dude, I know. But overall a great episode. 1:59:26.080 --> 1:59:29.400 Unfortunately, the episode people call the Dean Kine episode, it's the. 1:59:29.480 --> 1:59:33.240 Dan Kane episode. Dane episode forever. This is what it is. 1:59:33.320 --> 1:59:37.000 It's like the all like this group like a Dean 1:59:37.120 --> 1:59:39.240 Kane and all the other people we talk about that 1:59:39.360 --> 1:59:41.760 become like right wing lunatics. It's men that were on 1:59:41.800 --> 1:59:45.320 their journey to become successful and then didn't become as 1:59:45.320 --> 1:59:48.280 successful as they wanted, and then they blame everyone, but 1:59:48.400 --> 1:59:51.680 they're themselves right, or they can't just like be fulfilled 1:59:51.720 --> 1:59:52.360 with their lives. 1:59:52.360 --> 1:59:53.760 And I fail that in comedy. 1:59:53.800 --> 1:59:56.200 Like any of the dudes that become like super alt 1:59:56.280 --> 2:00:00.120 right lunatics, they always they're just people that like are 2:00:00.120 --> 2:00:01.720 not where they want to be in their career. And 2:00:01.760 --> 2:00:05.080 that's how I feel with Dean Kaine's ass. But change 2:00:05.080 --> 2:00:07.720 your attitude. There's a s few episodes that's the Dean 2:00:07.840 --> 2:00:08.840 Kine episode. 2:00:08.880 --> 2:00:09.600 You're doing great. 2:00:09.880 --> 2:00:12.240 I don't get it. And would you say, Sabato Junior. 2:00:12.360 --> 2:00:13.960 They're all in the same camp. 2:00:14.080 --> 2:00:15.080 Yeah, Scott Beao. 2:00:17.160 --> 2:00:19.760 They all have better versions of themselves out, you know 2:00:19.800 --> 2:00:22.720 what I mean, Like we don't we have Tony Danza. 2:00:22.880 --> 2:00:26.240 We don't need a Scott BeO And he didn't realize that. 2:00:28.560 --> 2:00:30.960 You know, we don't need a junior. 2:00:31.160 --> 2:00:35.560 We have a what the fuck's his name? Antonio Banderas. 2:00:35.680 --> 2:00:39.040 You know what I mean? Like, we don't different Antonios. Yeah, 2:00:39.720 --> 2:00:42.560 so get your personality right. We have better versions of. 2:00:42.520 --> 2:00:45.520 You or Ricky Martin. Antonio Banderas and Ricky Martin. We're 2:00:45.560 --> 2:00:50.200 both soap guys. Look is so good. It holds up 2:00:50.240 --> 2:00:53.240 anytime it comes up anywhere. It's like a It's like 2:00:53.880 --> 2:00:56.000 I would see him. I would see him in concert too. 2:00:56.880 --> 2:00:58.280 I bet it's a baby. 2:00:59.120 --> 2:01:02.280 That's what you learn people that are so successful for decade. 2:01:02.480 --> 2:01:04.400 It's gonna be a good show, whether you like or 2:01:04.440 --> 2:01:07.200 know the music or not. Yeah, because when I did 2:01:07.200 --> 2:01:10.040 that Papa Roach Cruise, I was like, wow, Papa Roach, Pat, 2:01:10.280 --> 2:01:10.920 that's pretty good. 2:01:11.920 --> 2:01:15.560 These are Roach Cruise. Oh my former sister in law 2:01:15.600 --> 2:01:21.000 was probably on that. Okay, I didn't know someone got divorced. 2:01:21.280 --> 2:01:22.280 Oh yeah, Jared's brother. 2:01:22.880 --> 2:01:24.960 Oh yeah, I was just thinking of your siblings. 2:01:24.960 --> 2:01:27.800 Sorry, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, not on my side. 2:01:28.200 --> 2:01:29.640 So far, everyone's held it together. 2:01:30.120 --> 2:01:32.960 And again, if Colin Klink is listening and any of 2:01:33.000 --> 2:01:35.840 your friends like get dumped Anita plus one, I would 2:01:35.840 --> 2:01:36.520 attend your wedding. 2:01:37.880 --> 2:01:39.360 I'm gonna put it out here first. 2:01:39.600 --> 2:01:42.920 You and Rachel are both like happy they get the wedding. 2:01:45.440 --> 2:01:48.040 I don't need an invite, but if someone drops out, 2:01:48.680 --> 2:01:49.120 I don't know. 2:01:49.440 --> 2:01:51.400 If someone drops out and you've got a steak that 2:01:51.480 --> 2:01:52.320 needs to get eaten. 2:01:52.720 --> 2:01:54.960 She'll find your way. She'll find your way there. 2:01:56.120 --> 2:01:59.440 So yeah, this episode post mortem, what have we learned? 2:01:59.520 --> 2:02:03.800 I mean, unfortunately, men like this are gonna prey on 2:02:03.880 --> 2:02:06.600 women like Cora, and I feel sad about that. 2:02:06.680 --> 2:02:10.560 I'm like, you deserve better, and uh, it's it sucks 2:02:10.560 --> 2:02:12.080 that we were really on a roll. 2:02:12.120 --> 2:02:13.640 I don't know why we brought why you had to 2:02:13.640 --> 2:02:15.960 bring it back down to the sadness of the episode. 2:02:16.080 --> 2:02:19.160 We probably like recover. I thought we have the back 2:02:19.480 --> 2:02:20.920 like good. I didn't know. 2:02:21.000 --> 2:02:23.200 I thought we should go back from my brother's wedding 2:02:23.320 --> 2:02:25.040 to the sadness of us for you. 2:02:25.560 --> 2:02:28.640 But I don't know what else? What else? Uh? 2:02:28.800 --> 2:02:31.760 Oh, we forgot one really funny detail. At the Backstreep 2:02:31.800 --> 2:02:34.760 Boy concert, I knew there was wine and beer. We 2:02:34.800 --> 2:02:37.840 had a great server and I just said, listen, we 2:02:37.920 --> 2:02:40.040 have any booze or what like premium cocks? 2:02:40.080 --> 2:02:40.560 What do you have? 2:02:41.120 --> 2:02:43.440 And he goes, we have absolutely no alcohol except you 2:02:43.440 --> 2:02:46.640 could take shots of fireball and that's the only shot 2:02:46.680 --> 2:02:47.480 that Kara takes. 2:02:47.520 --> 2:02:49.640 So we were the only shot I will take is 2:02:49.680 --> 2:02:52.760 fucking fireball. And this is the only booze he has 2:02:52.880 --> 2:02:54.720 is cinnamon. Whiskey that I drink. 2:02:55.080 --> 2:02:57.360 Yeah, so I got a couple of rounds of fireball 2:02:57.440 --> 2:02:58.959 whisky Fireball. 2:02:59.000 --> 2:03:01.120 What did I say? I guess some tongue tie. 2:03:01.120 --> 2:03:05.560 Calling it like firewater, And I was like, because there 2:03:05.720 --> 2:03:08.440 is like a new firewater, right, isn't that like canned? 2:03:08.680 --> 2:03:11.800 Like firewater is something? It's like a can. Yeah, it 2:03:11.880 --> 2:03:13.400 might be a canned cocktail thing. 2:03:13.720 --> 2:03:16.480 I also kept singing in sync instead of the Backstreep Boys, 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:18.400 and I don't know why not during the concert, but 2:03:18.480 --> 2:03:22.080 in my head I have like it's fucked up. 2:03:22.320 --> 2:03:23.920 I keep singing that. Oh. 2:03:24.000 --> 2:03:28.320 Also, there's a backstreyp Boys song on DNA and the 2:03:28.360 --> 2:03:30.880 beginning of the song starts out where he goes, what 2:03:31.040 --> 2:03:32.360 am I the sex police? 2:03:32.640 --> 2:03:36.360 Or what are you the sex police? Yeah, it's funny. 2:03:38.000 --> 2:03:42.520 It's so good. It's called New Love and it makes 2:03:42.560 --> 2:03:44.880 me laugh. So I had to share. 2:03:44.920 --> 2:03:46.840 Yeah, they were really proud of this album that they 2:03:46.920 --> 2:03:49.920 dropped in twenty nineteen, and unfortunately the world didn't really 2:03:49.920 --> 2:03:53.040 get to hear it because of COVID and the pandemic. 2:03:53.200 --> 2:03:56.840 So they were taking us back and definitely letting us 2:03:56.840 --> 2:03:58.480 know about it anyway. 2:03:58.720 --> 2:04:01.800 Yeah, they really were pluged. This albums so hard. 2:04:04.400 --> 2:04:08.120 Any other Backstreet Boy things, or should I should we 2:04:08.160 --> 2:04:10.080 dive back into the depression of the episode, or should 2:04:10.080 --> 2:04:12.000 I just move on to what would say could emerge? 2:04:12.080 --> 2:04:12.560 I don't know. 2:04:12.720 --> 2:04:18.000 It's just like it was nice being there. Yeah, and 2:04:18.040 --> 2:04:20.200 I knew the words to every song. Like that's fun, 2:04:20.960 --> 2:04:22.160 it's fun to sing along. 2:04:22.480 --> 2:04:22.680 You know. 2:04:23.280 --> 2:04:25.040 The fact that I don't I haven't listened to them 2:04:25.080 --> 2:04:27.560 regularly in a while, And like the fact that my 2:04:27.680 --> 2:04:32.960 brain is like like immediately is like fucked up, no wonder, 2:04:33.000 --> 2:04:36.240 I don't remember anything. My brain is filled with backstreep 2:04:36.280 --> 2:04:37.960 boillyrics from twenty years ago. 2:04:40.560 --> 2:04:43.240 Yeah. Well, you also told me the story about how 2:04:43.320 --> 2:04:45.920 when you were a teenager, you came home from school 2:04:46.040 --> 2:04:48.160 for a video premiere that they used to do if 2:04:48.200 --> 2:04:49.920 you're a young person, they used to they used to 2:04:49.960 --> 2:04:53.560 premiere videos on like TRL and your parents had locked 2:04:53.560 --> 2:04:56.120 the house or something, and you just ripped the doorknob 2:04:56.160 --> 2:04:58.160 off the door or something and ripped a hole in 2:04:58.200 --> 2:05:00.960 your door to get into the house and watch them video. Yeah, 2:05:01.000 --> 2:05:02.680 that's wild behavior. 2:05:02.920 --> 2:05:05.280 Well, I think what was wild for Kara was she 2:05:05.400 --> 2:05:06.680 was like, so did you get in trouble? 2:05:06.720 --> 2:05:08.280 And I was like, I didn't. I don't really get 2:05:08.400 --> 2:05:09.440 I never got in trouble. 2:05:10.120 --> 2:05:12.680 It was like my life would have been over, Like 2:05:12.720 --> 2:05:15.120 if you damage something in my house, you were in 2:05:15.240 --> 2:05:16.080 so much trouble. 2:05:16.240 --> 2:05:16.600 Truly. 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:18.360 They came home and there was no doorknob in the 2:05:18.360 --> 2:05:21.000 back door. But I forgot my keys, and I had 2:05:21.000 --> 2:05:23.120 to see the video there was just. 2:05:22.960 --> 2:05:23.720 Got your keys. 2:05:24.000 --> 2:05:24.600 Oh my god. 2:05:24.800 --> 2:05:27.160 I obviously tried to climb through the windows first, like 2:05:27.200 --> 2:05:30.280 I had a routine of when if I forgot the keys. 2:05:30.320 --> 2:05:33.280 But they need to hide a key over there, all right, 2:05:33.480 --> 2:05:34.520 we need to hide a key. 2:05:34.880 --> 2:05:39.160 Those communists, they would never trust a key outside, a 2:05:39.240 --> 2:05:39.960 key in a rock. 2:05:40.280 --> 2:05:43.640 No fucking way. Okay, do your job, do the do it? 2:05:44.040 --> 2:05:47.320 Okay, all right, let's get into what would Sister Peg do? 2:05:47.600 --> 2:05:50.600 Our weekly segment where we tell you, guys, give you 2:05:50.640 --> 2:05:54.200 an organization, a book, a link, something that can help 2:05:54.240 --> 2:05:57.880 give you more information about the topic that we touched 2:05:57.920 --> 2:06:00.800 on in today's episode. So today I'd like to point 2:06:00.840 --> 2:06:05.080 out the organization Death with Dignity, which is an organization 2:06:05.160 --> 2:06:08.960 focused on end of life advocacy and policy reform. Their 2:06:08.960 --> 2:06:12.440 mission centers on improving how people with terminal illnesses die 2:06:12.600 --> 2:06:14.680 and making sure that all Americans have the freedom to 2:06:14.720 --> 2:06:17.000 make their own end of life decisions, which I think 2:06:17.040 --> 2:06:18.800 is very important. And actually a friend of mine who 2:06:18.880 --> 2:06:22.520 recently passed specifically I believe, moved to a state where 2:06:22.560 --> 2:06:24.880 they had that so that she could be in control 2:06:24.920 --> 2:06:27.320 of her own decisions. And I think it's kind of 2:06:27.400 --> 2:06:30.680 nuts that the government gets involved in that. So I 2:06:30.800 --> 2:06:35.720 like this organization that works to change policy about that. 2:06:35.880 --> 2:06:38.080 So they have different campaigns you can join in on. 2:06:38.160 --> 2:06:43.000 There's petitions to drop residency requirements for Death with Dignity 2:06:43.080 --> 2:06:46.960 to passing Death with Dignity in Massachusetts, So there's all different. 2:06:46.720 --> 2:06:48.040 Kinds of things you can get involved in. If you 2:06:48.080 --> 2:06:48.760 go check out their. 2:06:48.680 --> 2:06:52.640 Website, which is Deathwithdignity dot org and if you'd like 2:06:52.680 --> 2:06:55.120 to help out sign a petition, learn more, you can 2:06:55.520 --> 2:06:58.760 head to their website. And as always, that is going 2:06:58.800 --> 2:07:01.200 to be in our show notes for today's episode and 2:07:01.320 --> 2:07:03.520 all of our what would Sister peg dos are always 2:07:03.520 --> 2:07:07.040 in a highlight on our Instagram page that is called WWSPD. 2:07:07.720 --> 2:07:10.440 Wow, you really said a lot of information and you 2:07:10.480 --> 2:07:14.040 did it well. Thank you and next week join us 2:07:14.200 --> 2:07:20.360 for Limitations, Season one, episode fourteen. Thanks for listening. 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