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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and today is the day.

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Speaker 2: Garrett.

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Speaker 1: We've worked on our seven round mock drafts for a

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Speaker 1: long time and it is finally time to reveal who

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Speaker 1: we think the Ravens will pick.

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Speaker 2: Did I go eleven for eleven this year?

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Speaker 3: Garrett?

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Speaker 2: Did I?

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Speaker 3: One of these years you're gonna we're gonna do this

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Speaker 3: podcast and you're not gonna make that same one of

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Speaker 3: these years that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I've made that joke before we started Taming, and Bryson

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Speaker 2: shook his head.

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Speaker 3: Well, you make that joke in the start of every

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Speaker 3: single one of these seven round mob draft podcasts, And

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Speaker 3: in all honesty, this is one of my favorite episodes

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Speaker 3: of the year. We probably spend more time talking about

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Speaker 3: this episode than any other episode of the entire year

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Speaker 3: because it's basically debated for months leading into the draft,

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Speaker 3: and then whoever ends up winning in terms of getting

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Speaker 3: more right has bragging rights for a full year, which

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Speaker 3: it's been many years since you've actually won in this competition,

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Speaker 3: so we're going to see that trying to continues again

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: It's been an up and down performance from me, mostly down,

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Speaker 1: mostly down. I mean, it's pretty hard, honestly, Like the

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Speaker 1: fact that we get so many right, I'll I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: I hit Justice Hill on the head.

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Speaker 1: Just go back, go back ten years, Justice Hill, who

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Speaker 1: signed an extension, great pick by me and the Ravens

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Speaker 1: obviously hit it on the head.

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Speaker 2: Hit Keith winning twenty.

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Speaker 3: You're really going way back. Wow, I forgot about that one.

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Speaker 2: I think I have some others. I definitely have some others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that we hit any is honestly pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Last year you got Rashien a Lee wrong round right

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Speaker 1: player though, so I'll give you credit on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've been I'll give it to you.

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Speaker 2: You've been better than I have been.

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Speaker 3: Especially days in the years the admission.

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Speaker 1: But now conversely, on all of our drafts, I've just

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Speaker 1: been smoking you lately. I've focused too much on the

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Speaker 1: off the field drafts and the rock paper scissors strategy,

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Speaker 1: not enough on my mock drafts.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: But this year is different because usually I tinker like

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Speaker 1: a crazy I overthink that's my problem. I overthink it.

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Speaker 1: This year, I think I've underthought it. So maybe that's.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's kind of like the approach in the

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Speaker 3: NCAA bracket where someone just goes out there and picks

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Speaker 3: like the favorite mascot or the number one seeds or

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Speaker 3: their favorite yeah whatever, they like the colors, and then

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Speaker 3: they end up winning the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: That's not really it.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I just haven't like, I got a

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Speaker 1: later start this year, so I haven't had as much

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Speaker 1: time to tinker with things, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And there's a bit of a George Costanza like if

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Speaker 1: everything I do is wrong.

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Speaker 2: Do the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So if you go against your instincts at

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Speaker 1: every turn, except I didn't really do that with my

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Speaker 1: first round pick at least, then you're bound to be right.

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Speaker 3: The last point I'll make about that that's humorous as

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Speaker 3: you talk about I haven't been ankering. I've gotten two

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Speaker 3: emails today. I got the final version. I got the

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Speaker 3: final version of the mock this morning, and since that

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Speaker 3: came in around nine am, two additional email changes. We're

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Speaker 3: recording this round one o'clock on Tuesday, so there's been

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Speaker 3: three versions of the final mock draft.

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Speaker 2: That's good for me. That's good for me.

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Speaker 3: And so you're saying that that's an improvement. So that

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Speaker 3: tells the listeners all that you need to know. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's just part of the process. Lots of changes, and

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Speaker 3: this is this is this is the final, ironclad, laminated

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Speaker 3: version of the mock draft. And the other thing that

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Speaker 3: I will say is that you do have a track

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Speaker 3: record and I know your first round pick, so I

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Speaker 3: don't think this will happen, But you do have a

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Speaker 3: track record of picking somebody projecting them in the first

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Speaker 3: round and then they end up lasting far longer than that.

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Speaker 3: Not only did the Ravens pass on them, Like I

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Speaker 3: always think, I always like, my general philosophy is to

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Speaker 3: but there's a decent chance he ends up getting selected

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Speaker 3: prior to the Ravens being on the board, and your

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Speaker 3: philosophy is it's it's worse if they leave your guy

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Speaker 1: So I definitely is I agree with you that, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know that i'll happen. They're just like they

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Speaker 1: were like, nah, we don't actually think this guy.

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Speaker 3: Is our guy. Guy, Yeah, And I don't know that

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Speaker 3: will happen for either of us this year. But I

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Speaker 3: love like when we were watching the draft and and if.

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Speaker 1: When you're mister you're mister pie in the sky, you'rs

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Speaker 1: like everybody. You're like getting a second round prospect in

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Speaker 2: Like, oh man, I mean they want to take it them.

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Speaker 2: If you go there, they would have That's how you operate.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's how the Ravens operate. They like to take value.

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Speaker 3: They like to take value. So, without any further ado,

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Speaker 3: we we've built this thing up enough. Uh, so let's

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Speaker 3: go ahead and jump into it. And just as a reminder,

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Speaker 3: we pick all eleven picks for the Ravens. We go,

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Speaker 3: no seven rounds, no trades, we just stick and pick

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Speaker 3: at all eleven spots. And uh and let's do it

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: So I've been rock solid, as much as I like

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Speaker 1: I've been rock solid with my first round pick, and

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Speaker 1: that is safety Malachi Starks out of Georgia.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's just a total package.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at not a crazy amount of

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Speaker 2: On the ball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, go check out his leaping interception against Clemson

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Speaker 1: and tell me this guy's not a ballhawk.

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Speaker 2: Nah, he has it right.

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Speaker 1: Really smart player that Georgia's coaches felt like could line

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Speaker 1: his plate communication leadership, he really did it all. And

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good combination of a He's a

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Speaker 1: strong compliment to Kyle Hamilton because Malachi Starks is a

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Speaker 1: like the Ravens don't. They're not static in their positions.

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Speaker 2: I love it from a player.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's athletic, he's fluid, he's got all the athleticism.

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Speaker 1: I love it from a leadership standpoint. I just think

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Speaker 1: this guy screamed. You know he has a backstory was

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Speaker 1: he was homeless for several years during his upbringing. Everything

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Speaker 3: Think Malki Starks would be a really good pick. I

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Speaker 3: think that that would unlock some things on the back

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Speaker 3: I will have no issue with that. I think that'd

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Speaker 1: I think what's going to be interesting is he and

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Speaker 1: Nick even worry the South Carolina safety who goes first

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Speaker 2: It could go either way.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, if Nick even Worry were the pick by

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Speaker 2: Be cool with that too.

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Speaker 2: Both are great players in my mind and would be

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I wanted, like when I started doing

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be off the board. And so I don't

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Speaker 3: though you look at Stark's college production, big time school

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Speaker 3: even though Emon Warri was also you know, put up

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Speaker 3: the traits will lend itself to a team taking Emon

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Speaker 3: Worri earlier and taking a chance to this athletic freak.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think, you know, and he had

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Speaker 1: Combine will ultimately move him. And just he's just a

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Speaker 3: This. Yeah, I think just athletic testing skills, he's he

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Speaker 3: those two safeties. He said it, even Warris said it

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Speaker 3: I'm going in the trenches and I'm going with Derek

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Speaker 3: Harmon out of Oregon. And it's a question with both

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Speaker 3: a question whether either of them get to the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: But I just think when you look at him, all

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Speaker 3: the right ups on him say, this guy screams, like

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Speaker 3: in terms of the way he plays the game, was

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Speaker 2: Not a guy he's often in the backfield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had five sacks, eight and a half tackles

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Speaker 3: for loss last season, also had thirty nine quarterback hurry

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Speaker 3: so he can push the pocket and get after the passer.

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Speaker 3: And so just in terms of like the overall package

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Speaker 3: I think the Ravens they want to continue to invest

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Speaker 3: heading into the last year of his rookie contract. Of course,

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Speaker 3: they already have Nominie Mattabike signed Bran everybody is a

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Speaker 3: free agent. I think they want to reinvest in the

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Speaker 3: defensive line, and they want to get younger there, and

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Speaker 3: they want to have impact players there. And look, we

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Speaker 3: said this many times during the process, Like we all

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Speaker 3: That's like the dream scenario for us, Oh, both of

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Speaker 1: I think Derek Carmen is also a very good compliment

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Speaker 1: But you know, Helodi was a in your backfield, disruptive

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's what the Ravens would that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This is James Ogden, who we had on the

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Speaker 3: He identified Harmon as a guy who's a perfect Ravens fit.

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Speaker 3: His draft copy says, take the best pit, the best

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Speaker 3: I like that. That sounds good to me.

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Speaker 1: So all right, all right, not a bad pick, Garrett,

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Speaker 1: number fifty nine. Dan Brugler is gonna love this pick.

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Speaker 1: Cornerback Chavnravel, junior out of East Carolina. Look, this guy, big, physical, fast,

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Speaker 1: Kass is always looking for value, and you get great

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Speaker 2: I think again.

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Speaker 1: Backstory, the Ravens love players who have overcome adversity in

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Speaker 1: But the Ravens can't afford to be patient. They don't

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Speaker 3: A lot of people have tied him to the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of older prospects are honestly like trend,

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Speaker 1: But there's not a lot of young guys out there,

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a lot of transfers, the nil

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Speaker 2: It's just a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. Well, there's a young corner out there,

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Speaker 2: Who's not going to be there at fifty nine?

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Speaker 3: Who who is Daniel Jeremiah has him sixtieth on his

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Speaker 3: Thomas is a guy kind of early in the process

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Speaker 3: Six one one ninety seven kind of fits the press

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Speaker 3: the press corner mold. The Ravens don't. I don't think

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Speaker 3: they're quite as press heavy as they were going back

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Speaker 3: he doesn't if you read all the reports on him,

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Speaker 3: he's not known as having great ball skills, but he's

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Speaker 3: got great size at athleticism, and he's twenty years old,

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Speaker 3: two guys. Not that that's like the make or break

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Speaker 3: But I think if he's there for the Ravens at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think corner makes a lot of sense in around

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Speaker 1: round corner And because you look at it too, you

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Speaker 1: I think they they could strike early at corner and

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Speaker 2: And I like Thomas. I think he's a good player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, Like I had debate corner in

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Speaker 3: Honestly, the two that I thought about a long and

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Speaker 3: is is really similar to Nate Wiggans ran a four

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Speaker 3: But I but I got.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I really like Maxwell Harston and I don't think, honestly,

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Speaker 3: we spent enough time talking about him collectively during this process.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if he ends up being the pick, we're

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Speaker 2: Well, that's definitely gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Somebody that we haven't talked about at all will be

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Speaker 3: The other one too, I guess as we're mentioning that

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Speaker 3: but I'm saying into your defensive lineman, haven't talked about

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Speaker 3: So those are Mike, I really debated the first round

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Speaker 3: gut tells me the Ravens are going to use one

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Speaker 2: I think that both agree with that. Both of our

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Speaker 1: Round three, it's time to get a pass rusher. I'm

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Speaker 1: going with Brayden Swinson out of LSU. This is a

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going I'm getting my safety in the third round,

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Speaker 3: and I'm getting Kevin Winston Junior out of Penn State. Okay,

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Speaker 3: six one, two fifteen. Honestly, the question on him, like,

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Speaker 3: thought David a Jaba was going to be there for

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Speaker 3: So if Winston gets to the Ravens, like he had

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Speaker 3: month in the forty so he's back running again and

439
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 3: run in the four fourths. So brilliant. But like, this

440
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 3: is a guy he grew up in Columbia, Maryland, went

441
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 3: to to Mattha High School, played hossetball at Penn State.

442
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,640
Speaker 3: So you get the hometown kid is to come back

443
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 3: and play for his hometown team play at Penn State.

444
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 3: So the Ravens have a recent history of going to

445
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 3: Penn State and getting guys to Dafe Jowey adsa Isaac,

446
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 3: So they've gone they've gone up to Happy Valley and

447
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 3: found those prospects, those defensive guys on that side of

448
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 3: the ball. Kevin Winston Junior, as a local kid, could

449
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 3: absolutely be the next one, and I think that it

450
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 3: would be a really good pick that you get, like

451
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 3: you get the value for the player getting him in

452
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 3: the third round again coming off the injury. So you

453
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 3: got to make sure a lot.

454
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,200
Speaker 2: Of ball production. He's talking about ballhawk.

455
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he is. I mean he was. He was

456
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 3: definitely a ballhawk last year. He's just a guy that

457
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 3: has the ideal size at athleticism. Again runs that four four, five,

458
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: six one two fifteen, and he runs that coming off

459
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 3: to torn acl So like good program, good production, got

460
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 3: to make sure the medical checks out local kid, position

461
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 3: of need. Most a lot of the big boards would

462
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 3: have had him. I think second round firmly had the

463
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: injury not happen, maybe even creeping into that first round,

464
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 3: but maybe the Ravens end up getting him with great

465
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: value at the end of the third.

466
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: You don't have a pass rusher on the first two days, well,

467
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: I can.

468
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: Get into your pass rushers. As the Ravens like to

469
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 3: remind people, it's not just outside. Sure Sarak Gore told

470
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: us that we had him on the podcast. We said,

471
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: he made the point, it's not just outside pressure. Derek

472
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 3: Carmon can get you that pressure as a guy who

473
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 3: can push the pocket up the middle.

474
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, You're not wrong.

475
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: I like Winston, and honestly, my only hesitation with Malachi

476
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: Starks is that I like some of these second and

477
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: potentially third round safeties.

478
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: Also.

479
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: I like Xavier Watts out of Notre Dame. Talk about

480
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: another playmaker. You know, a guy who got his hands

481
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: on the ball a lot. Played with Kyle Hoilton for

482
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: a year in college. There's a lot to like there.

483
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: I even think the kid out of Texas, the safety there,

484
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: I think is a good prospect, Winston. So I think

485
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: there's some good day to safeties that if the Ravens

486
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: don't go with my guy Malachi Starks in the first round,

487
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: or he's already told out of it, already talk about

488
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: I feel great about it if he's there, But if

489
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: he's off the board, then I think they have they

490
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: have some good options.

491
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so let's move on to the fourth round.

492
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 3: Who you got?

493
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: I have a local kid, Speaking of local players, defensive

494
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: tackle Jordan Phillips out of Maryland, and I believe he

495
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: was one of your two defensive linemen to watch coming

496
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: out of the Combine. Yeah, this is another you want

497
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: to talk older prospects, he's one of the younger prospects

498
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: in this entire class.

499
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: He's only twenty years old.

500
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, he didn't have a ton of college production,

501
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: two and a half tackles for loss and zero saxon

502
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: his twenty three starts in Maryland, but oh, premier athlete,

503
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: a ton of upside kind of you know, it reminds

504
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: me a little bit of Nom the Matabik coming out

505
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 1: of Texas A and m like just a freak athlete.

506
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he made the Bruce Felman's Freaks

507
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: List as one of the top athletic, most athletic guys

508
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: in college football coming into this year. You know, he's

509
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: versatile enough to play along the defense the front, but

510
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: he's really kind of a quick footed, uh nose tackle

511
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: who can also kind of shift over a little bit.

512
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: But with Michael Pierce retiring, Jordan Phillips could step in

513
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: there and off also maybe offer a little bit more

514
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: as an interior pass rusher. And so I think he'd

515
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: be a great fit in this line. That's your best

516
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: pick so far, that's my best pick really. Yeah, not

517
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: the Malachi.

518
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 3: Jordan Phillips because they're gonna take Harmon in the first.

519
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: But but Jordan Phillips is a really good a really

520
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: good pick. I think he he's the type of player

521
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: that the Ravens like, has those traits that you're talking about.

522
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: Confident guy, confident, younger player, local prospect out of Maryland.

523
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 3: It's a it's a mandatory that you get to take

524
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: at least one.

525
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: I haven't take it.

526
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he checks the box there. But I I

527
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 3: really do think, like I I talked about him at

528
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: the combine and the highlights some players who could be

529
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: good fits, and I, yeah, I should have stuck to

530
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: my pick there back of February to Derek Harmon. So

531
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 3: you couldn't. I couldn't run go back to back. But

532
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 3: I really do think that he if he ends up

533
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: being someone of the Ravens get in the fourth round,

534
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: mid rounds, like he would be a really good player

535
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: for this team.

536
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

537
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm going offensive side of the ball. I'm

538
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: going Carson Vincent Alabama A and m uh.

539
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: Been Alabama A and M.

540
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, the great pipeline to the NFL. You know, it's

541
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: a small, smaller school prospect obviously, six seven, three fifteen.

542
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: He's been a starter for the last three years. Seven yeah.

543
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: So like basically, when I think of middle round offensive

544
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: lineman who the Ravens can draft, I think of project prospect,

545
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: like kind of a developmental type player. Look at what

546
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: Daniel Foleile was.

547
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: Sure, but they've they've gone a lot with like the

548
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: big ten, four year starter they have also.

549
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: They have done that. But I think that like you

550
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: you're in these middle rounds, I think that you if

551
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 3: you have a chance to get this guy's been a

552
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 3: starting left tackle again playing at Alabama A and M.

553
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: So it's not playing in the SEC, but three year

554
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: starter at that spot the last over the last three years.

555
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 3: And he has like this size that he would be

556
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: a kind of a ball of clay that he could

557
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: come in here and the could be molded and work

558
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: with this offensive line. I think that this is.

559
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: A tackler guard.

560
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: He was just left tackle in college, but so is

561
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: fall A Lea.

562
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: So you're gonna go six seven guard potentially, is are

563
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: you drafting mostly to be a tackle?

564
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: I think it depends what once he gets here and

565
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: how he looks. I mean, you're saying you're acting shocked

566
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: about a six seven guard, but how much how.

567
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: Much weighs a lot more than that? Was it three twelve?

568
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: I mean fall a Lea is as huge he's he's

569
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: I understand, but like a six seven, three twelve guard,

570
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: he's probably a tackle. He's probably going to be a tackle.

571
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 3: But again, it just depends on how he develops. The

572
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 3: Ravens get a guy who is like a developmental prospect.

573
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: He's not going to come in and play right away,

574
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: but you can develop him.

575
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: And I think this is you know what, my my

576
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: pick a guard is way better than yours. Okay, I'm

577
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: going so that was your first fourth round pick, Yes, okay,

578
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: this is my second fourth round pick, number one thirty six.

579
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: This is Caleb Rogers out of Texas Tech. Six four

580
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: and a half, three twelve guard, much more of a

581
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: guard size, yes, sure, okay, comes from military family. He

582
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: was a he was a longtime started there, multi year starter,

583
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: military family. Not as Captain Rogers, that's what they call

584
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: him on the team.

585
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, come on, slam dugger right there.

586
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, he's a multiple starts at four different

587
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: offensive line positions.

588
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, practice practices center.

589
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: Okay, practice practice.

590
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: He took some practice reps up to practice.

591
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: Prospects in the pre Jeff process. They also put him

592
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: through center reps.

593
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Did great, can play off five positions as Pat McCarey reincarnated. Okay,

594
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: he's impressed. Some quickness laid on his feet again. Made

595
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: Bruce Felman's Freaks list of very athletic, the high upside developmental.

596
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: He can power clean four or six. He's fun hundred pounds.

597
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: Can you squad six?

598
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Can your guy? Can your pick a squad? He might

599
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: be able.

600
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: I didn't get his power clean a squad and you

601
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: didn't do your research.

602
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: But thankfully Caleb Rogers out of Texas Tech.

603
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: The that's a mid round offensive line.

604
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: The Railers are going to draft a mid round offensive lineman.

605
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: I think they're looking for They're looking for the big guy.

606
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: They're looking for the big development fifteen Alabama and they

607
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: turn over every stone.

608
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: Well, look for that sec. I think Caleb Rodgers he

609
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: might even eat squirrel. All right, my next pick here,

610
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: my second fourth round pick. Uh, you want to talk

611
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: about a guy who's productive. Okay, you do not get

612
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: much more productive than Cam Skataboo, a running back, second

613
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: most rushing yards in college football last year, more than

614
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: seventeen hundred, behind only Ashton Genty, who's going to be

615
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: a top ten pick.

616
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: This guy was.

617
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: You don't have the Ravens fo Yeah, I.

618
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: Mean this guy, he's gonna catch the ball out a

619
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: back out of the backfield. Had more than six hundred

620
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: receiving yards last year. So I mean he If you

621
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: watched any Arizona State games, I know you're you were

622
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: watching a lot of earlier the same football late Saturday

623
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: night watching those games last year. But this guy was

624
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: the entire offense. He got the ball which just about

625
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 3: every single play put up, it can break, it can break, tackles,

626
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: good vision again, catches the ball out of the backfield

627
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: like I do. The Ravens have mentioned, and I want

628
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: to talk about this a little bit later, Like the

629
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: Ravens have mentioned multiple times in the draft process, the

630
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: possibility of adding a running back, which like you look

631
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: at the knees and you're like, running back is probably

632
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: the last position from a need standpoint, particularly this year.

633
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Just drafted one.

634
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Last year you have Keith Mitchell coming back from the

635
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: injury and more expected from him, and then of course

636
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: you have Justice Sill and Derreck Henry.

637
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it doesn't seem like it's a need

638
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: at all, but like they have mentioned it multiple times,

639
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: and so I think that they will draft a running

640
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: back and scatter you and like you just get one

641
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: of the most the second most productive running back in

642
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: the class, and you get him in the mid rounds

643
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: and that would be be a fun player to put

644
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: on this offense and just give Todd munkin another playmaker.

645
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough to get the ball to another

646
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: guy in that running back room, but man, it's got

647
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: to moo be a fun player to have in the mix.

648
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: Well, to me at running back, and in my next pick,

649
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: round five, I'm going running back in the fifth round, Okay,

650
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: pick number one, seventy six, and I'm going with Jayden

651
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Blue out of Texas. And to me, the running back need,

652
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: like you're saying, there's there's not like, oh we need

653
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: this type of player here. You're like taking it's almost

654
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: like a flyer right on. Maybe we just hit with

655
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: this guy and he ends up, you know, down the road.

656
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, once Derrick Henry is done playing or whatever,

657
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: this guy could could take on a big role like

658
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: that is kind of what you're trying to do at

659
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: running back because as of now, maybe he'd be your

660
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: number three. So to me, Blue is an intriguing sh

661
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: shot to take. This is the guy who can. He's explosive,

662
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: he can, he can take it to the house at

663
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: any time. Ran the four three eight forty yard dash.

664
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Speaker 1: Just a dynamic talent. We're taking a shot on four

665
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the college playoffs. Really kind of came on,

666
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: you know. Isn't the workhorse like Scataboo that you're projecting,

667
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: but a very talented guy. If you can kind of

668
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: get him dialed in and on the right track, he's

669
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Speaker 1: a flyer worth taking.

670
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Speaker 3: Well, both of us. So, I mean those two picks

671
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: we both have running back.

672
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: To fourth round I think is a little rich for

673
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: running back. Fifth is a different story.

674
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Speaker 3: We're talking one difference in pick here.

675
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: But but it's a pretty there's a lot of picks

676
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Speaker 2: between the.

677
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: Forty picks in between. I know, but you're acting like

678
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: I'm taking the first round running back. We're one pick

679
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: apart here on our board round or we were trying

680
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: to make that like that's the difference. I do want

681
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: to come back to that. All right. My fifth round

682
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: pick here on seventy six is I finally get my

683
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: pass rusher, and in the fifth round I get one

684
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: of the most productive pass rushers in the class, David

685
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: Walker out of Central Arkansas.

686
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: You're going to small school this year?

687
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: Two of them. I had Vincent and now David Walker.

688
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: When we had the podcast with Mel Kuiper, he mentioned

689
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: David Walker's but the etential.

690
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: Guy in the round? Did he mention him in?

691
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Well, the second that seems early, the second that seems way,

692
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: and you're taking him in the fifth and while a

693
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: lot of the mocks have him more in that four

694
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: or five six range. What are you saying, no, Mel, Well,

695
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: Mel might be Mel's right. I think that that's right.

696
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: I think the league is undervalue in David Walker. He

697
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: had thirty nine sacks in college, twenty three tackles for loss,

698
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: ten and a half sacks last year. The Ravens they

699
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: have done this many times and was really when Ozzie

700
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: was the GM more so than Eric. But they have

701
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: taken productive pass rushers from smaller schools. That's what they

702
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: did uh. That's what they did with Matthew Judon, That's

703
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: what they did with Jalen Ferguson. And so they've done this.

704
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: This has been a model and something that they have

705
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: gone to this this playbook many times. And so Walker

706
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: fits that mold of a player who's got a ton

707
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: of production in college, even though it's at a small school.

708
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: He can just get after the quarterback. So he's smaller,

709
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: That's why he went to a smaller He's sixty one,

710
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: two sixty three, so he doesn't have like the measurables

711
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: that you love, but you're getting him in the fifth round.

712
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: So if you're drafting a fifth round pass rusher, you're

713
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: either giving up the measurables or you're giving up the production.

714
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: Walker has a production and I think that's something that

715
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: the Ravens definitely would value at that spot. Let's take

716
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: a quick break. When we come back, we'll finish things

717
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: out here and give you our last few picks in

718
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Speaker 3: our seven round box. You're listening to the last podcast.

719
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Speaker 3: We're coming to you from the Sikik studio. We also

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Speaker 3: want to mention our partners at Draft King Sportsbook. There

721
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Speaker 3: an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft

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Speaker 3: King Sportsbook. The crown is yours. So now we are

723
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Speaker 3: into the sixth round, which is going to be a busy,

724
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Speaker 3: busy day for Eric's costa. The Ravens right now have

725
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: four to sixth round picks. So who you got them?

726
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: Taking pick number one eighty three, come.

727
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 1: Out of the gates and going with a specialist. This

728
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: is kicker Andres Borigalis from Miami, really one of the

729
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: top kickers in this year's draft, if not the best,

730
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: tied for fifth in the FBS, making ninety four point

731
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: seven percent of his field goal attempts. Just a reputation

732
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: for being accurate and clutch, two good things that I

733
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: want about my kicker, and just a very consistent swing.

734
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what Randy Brown and that

735
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: whole operation they've talked about so many times before, is consistency.

736
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: If you can just have a consistent swing, that's the

737
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: biggest difference, and that's how you get consistency as a kicker.

738
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: Consistent results comes from a consistent swing, and that's what

739
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: he has. I think that the Ravens have talked about,

740
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's they're evaluating, they're taking a long look

741
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: at these kickers, and this is where they take their shot.

742
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: All right, my six round pick at number one eighty three,

743
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: I have the Ravens going cornerback, double dip at cornerback,

744
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: going with Corey Black out of Oklahoma State, six foot

745
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 3: and ninety two pounds. He has like the physical makeup

746
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: of what the Ravens like. We're had a four three

747
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: five forty yard dash in the Big twelve Pro Day

748
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: against six foot one, ninety two three year starter at

749
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State. You look at it, You're like, he didn't

750
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: get invited to the combine, and so you're like, this

751
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: guy was good player in college, has like the size

752
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: and the measurables, but doesn't get invited to the combine.

753
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: Didn't have a ton of pick production in college. But

754
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: I think just as a late round guy, you get

755
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: a productive player that has the great speed. I don't

756
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: see the negative there. I just think that he's a

757
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: potential potential late round steel.

758
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that the Ravens double dip at corner

759
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: in this year's draft. I think that'll be back to

760
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: back years double dipping at corner.

761
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

762
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: I know the adage you can never have too many

763
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: corners and I subscribe to that, but.

764
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: That would be a lot, I mean, and it.

765
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: Would be pushing the limits on too many corners.

766
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: CJ. Tampa.

767
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, they drafted him last year in the fourth

768
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: round and we all were thrilled to get him. Thought

769
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: he use a Day three steal, you know. So, like

770
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: I think the.

771
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: Ravens, like, if they just have a chance to get

772
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: a really talented, size, speed, measurable type cornerback late in

773
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: the draft, do they feel like could develop into something special?

774
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: Why not?

775
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the best player. I'm certainly not rolling

776
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: it out.

777
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if they feel what's Corey yeah, Corey Black, Yeah,

778
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: if they feel he's the best player on the board,

779
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: they'll do it.

780
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: You know.

781
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like at that point in the draft,

782
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you are you're checking boxes a little

783
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: bit more late, you know, sixth seventh round, Like what

784
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: do we need here?

785
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: I almost feel the other way though, like I feel

786
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: like you're taking shots. You're taking shots on like basically

787
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: this is a raw prospect who could develop into something special,

788
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: especially when you have eleven picks. And DaCosta even said

789
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: to the predraft pres conference, like we probably don't have

790
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: room on the roster for eleven picks. These guys are

791
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: all going to make the team, but bring them in.

792
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: Take the shot, compete, take some shots, and see what happens.

793
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: All right, here, let's move to round six, number two

794
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 3: oh three. This is an interesting pick.

795
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm going with wide receiver Jimmy Horn Junior out of Colorado.

796
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: Explosive player.

797
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm getting some athletes, guys who were on the Bruce

798
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: Felvin Freaks List.

799
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: I just went down that list and that's why. Just

800
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: check check check guys.

801
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that m Jimmy Horne wasn't on that,

802
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, he what he is a very explosive guy.

803
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: Posted the highest speed nineteen point eighty one miles prior

804
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: during the gauntlet drill at the Combine. Speedy, shifty models

805
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: his game after DeShawn Jackson. I think he can certainly

806
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: be a vertical threat as a receiver, and he was

807
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: a good kick returner and punt returner, which was what

808
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: I was primarily looking for with this pick.

809
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: Well, same here, I took a pick number two or

810
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: three my punt returner Tes Johnson out of Oregon, Okay,

811
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: super productive player in college. This guy was a volume

812
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 3: target slot receiver. Had more than thirty eight hundred receiving

813
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: urs twenty eight touchdowns in college. So on offense he

814
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: put up big numbers. And he also was a good

815
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 3: punk returner and kick returner in college average nine point

816
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: three yards per punk return. The knock on him is

817
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: that he's really small five ten one fifty four, so

818
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: he's a small guy.

819
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: Jimmie Horn Junior ain't a big guy either.

820
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like that's that's the question on him. Small

821
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: slight player. Uh, what's the durability? Did have an injury

822
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: last year, so like how does he hold up in

823
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: the NFL just with the smaller frame? Uh? Ted Johnson

824
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: also ran in the four to five at four to

825
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: five at the combine.

826
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't he the guy that said he was going to

827
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: break the record?

828
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember if he did that, but he

829
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: ran into four five. I mean he didn't have he

830
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: didn't have not have a great combine from a forty

831
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: forty yard dash standpoint. But again, monster production in college

832
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: and on the offensive side. The Ravens don't have a

833
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: huge need there for I don't wouldn't see him having

834
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: a big role on offense. But I think he could

835
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: step in right away potentially and be the starting punp

836
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: returner and then be used in spot duty if needed

837
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 3: on offense.

838
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're thinking along the same lines there. I

839
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: do think the Ravens certainly want to get a punt

840
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: returner primarily. I think that's more orange than kick returner

841
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: and two explosive players.

842
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: Yep, all right.

843
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't like when we're on the same page.

844
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, different guys, same track record. That means that.

845
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: That actually means like I like that, but one of

846
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: us is definitely gonna be wrong. Probably you.

847
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a defensive tackle with that pick. We're

848
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: both picking like five foot nine and ten wide receivers. Yeah,

849
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: all right, round six, number two ten, This is my

850
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: big guy. Another defensive line, and that's Rob double Dipping

851
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: is on the D line. I'm going with Warren Brinson

852
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: out of Georgia. This might be my best pick. Okay, six, five,

853
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: three twelve. Stats don't jump off the page. But you know,

854
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: were there any other good Georgia defensive lineman playing along

855
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: there with him?

856
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: You know?

857
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: So he had a lot of good competition, a lot

858
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: of role models there. Worked out well for the Philadelphia

859
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: Eagles drafting big defensive lineman from that defensive line. So

860
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: I think that he's versatile, he's at he's big. He

861
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: could kind of step in and just be a good

862
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: rotational piece.

863
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: And there's some upside there.

864
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: He's got he has athleticism, you can develop him. A

865
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: lot of analysts are saying this is a deep starter class,

866
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: very deep at defense on the defensive line in particular.

867
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: Could Warren Brinson be that developmental rotational piece that could

868
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: maybe someday be a starter. I think he has that potential.

869
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: All right, pick two ten for me.

870
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm go by the way, Sorry, Warren Brinson. Also, interesting

871
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: thing about him, big personality. Hosts, hosts podcasts. He's a podcast.

872
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna put you out of work, So he's gonna

873
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: put me out of work. This is this is the

874
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: pick that puts me out of a job.

875
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: All Right, there we go. We're gonna have him as

876
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: a host of the last So I've got a pick

877
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: two ten. Ryan Fitzgerald kicker out of Florida State, big leg.

878
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it just depends, honestly with the kicker. Randy Brown,

879
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, he's been looking at kickers all across

880
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: the country. The Ravens have talked about that.

881
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

882
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: And so Fitzgerald is considered one of the best in

883
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: the class, maybe the best, and and he could be

884
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: the guy there. So I've got the Ravens with Ryan Fitzgerald,

885
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: Florida State to ten.

886
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: All right, last pick in the sixth round, I'm going

887
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: don't even think about taking it either.

888
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: I'm taking tight end luke lecheh out of Iowa. Iowa

889
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: tight ends. Any success there, yeah, huh.

890
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: George Kittle Laporta right, long Hopkinson long linnit and you're

891
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: getting one with the last your last pick in the

892
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: sixth round, say what, sign me up? Not like a

893
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: crazy athlete, but don't drop, don't put the ball on

894
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: the ground, big dude blocks. Well. Uh, you know, the

895
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Ravens have three tight ends going into the final year

896
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: of their contract. I think that there's a pretty good

897
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: chance that they say, all right, we need to prepare

898
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: ourselves a little bit for the future with the fourth

899
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: tight end.

900
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Uh, and you get one out of Iowa.

901
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: Well, just so listeners know, Make and I do not

902
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 3: compare these notes prior to us doing the podcast, but

903
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: I did send him. I mocked before he sent me

904
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: and I had I didn't look at it. I didn't

905
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: look at it. He says, he didn't look at it.

906
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: I had. I had the Ravens taking Luke.

907
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: To take him.

908
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: I so I sent the email to him. He then

909
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: copied my pick and said I'm going to go with him.

910
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: I told him he had to pick somebody else. He

911
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't do it.

912
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: I announced it first.

913
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: You said it first. I actually had the Ravens taking

914
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: him with their last pick two forty three of the

915
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: seventh round. Wait, get the value there. Also also as

916
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: a Columbus guy Ohio State fan, his dad was an

917
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: All Pro out of Ohio State first round pick. Was

918
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 3: his dad like a broadcaster now or something's color analyst

919
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: for O Highest Safe? Yeah? So so yeah, anyway, his

920
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: dad was a really good player at Ohio State and

921
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: then in the pros three time all pro first round pick.

922
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: So anyway, I had him as a seventh round pick.

923
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: So that's my last one pick.

924
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. And then in the sixth round I had

925
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: the Ravens taking defensive lineman Cam Jackson to Florida sixty

926
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: six three twenty eight. He's another one of those like

927
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: physical traits type players get another defensive lineman didn't have

928
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: a lot of production, needs to develop. He's more of

929
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: a eat up blockers guy than getting after the quarterback

930
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: when I had one and a half sacks the last

931
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: two seasons. But as a big guy who can who

932
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: can just be disruptive and has physical tools, and so

933
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: again I think you're when you're talking at the end

934
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: of the sixth round, you're looking for guys that have

935
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 3: the makeup physically that you want, and Cam Jackson does.

936
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: Okay, my final pick round seven, number two forty three

937
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: is linebacker Jackson Woodard out of UNLV And actually one

938
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: thing that I got to the end of my first

939
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: version of this and I didn't have an inside linebacker higher.

940
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: I was like, ooh, do I need.

941
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: To change that. I feel like they could take an

942
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: inside linebacker.

943
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: It could be early.

944
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be at any it could be

945
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: at any point of this draft.

946
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest dark horse in the first round right

947
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: to hit that with probably one of them would probably

948
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: be if you're talking about inside linebackers, Hot Campbell.

949
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: If you were to get there, which is doubtful, but

950
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: if you were to get there, sure I don't I

951
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule it out and that would be a surprise.

952
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: But I just I wasn't gonna manker. I wasn't gonna

953
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: blow up the whole thing.

954
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: I didn't, So I didn't take it inside linebacker because

955
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: the Raves have such a great track record to find

956
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: an un drafted one. So I just say, just go

957
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: to that well and get a non drafted one. And

958
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: I think they still they have their top two. But

959
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: wait until you hear about Jackson Woodard.

960
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, the guy grew up on his family's

961
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: small town cattle farm. Okay, done, signed the sealed delivered. Yeah,

962
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: and a pet pig named Calvin. I did all this

963
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: research for myself. Yes, side, you were calling the farm, Yeah,

964
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I called pig that. This is just a testaments Dane

965
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: Brugler over at the Athletic who we had go back

966
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: and listen to that podcast. Shout out to Dane because

967
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: a lot of this info comes from him. I did

968
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: not find the pet pig's name myself. Uh So, First

969
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: Team Academic All American was a finalist for the Will

970
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: Campbell Trophy as an academic Heisman. Good in coverage five interceptions,

971
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: he had five picks, so only two touchdowns allowed. In coverage,

972
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: so really kind of stepping into that Chris Board kind

973
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: of role that he played it.

974
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: He dropped a fair amount last year. Two time team captain.

975
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: Everybody you know just says, this guy pours everything he

976
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: has into the game. Future coach, like I think Jackson

977
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: Woodard is the kind of linebacker, gritty linebacker with a

978
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: big kind of guy.

979
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: You won.

980
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: There you go. So those are those are our full

981
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: seven round mocks. And just quickly before we close up here,

982
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: I mentioned dark horse and Johan Campbell is the first

983
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: round option. Uh, the dark horse scenario for I want

984
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: to get yours if you have, like if what would

985
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: be the surprise dark dark horse option for me? It

986
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: would be a running back earlier than people think. That's

987
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: like I had Cam scataan fourth, you had the fifth

988
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: round running back. I think that like a second rounder.

989
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 3: I think a second think on my first round. Let's

990
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: just say in the first round that O'maryon Hampton is

991
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: there out of unc and most people think he's going

992
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: to be gone. But let's just say, and he's why

993
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: they considered the second best running back in the class

994
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: behind Ashton genty If he were there at twenty seven,

995
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: it would really it would surprise me.

996
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: I don't think that would be the pick.

997
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: But if he is there, that will be interesting because

998
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: a lot of the.

999
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: Ravens would go earlier than the second round at running back.

1000
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: But if it's the second round, now let's move to

1001
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: the second But I'm not going to rule that one out.

1002
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule it out. And they did it with JK.

1003
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: Dobbins a few years ago as the second round pick,

1004
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: when they're coming off a season where they have more

1005
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 3: rushing yards than any team in NFL history.

1006
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: Edwards on the roster.

1007
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: There's two Ohigo State running backs this year who if

1008
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: they were there at that spot, I think you would

1009
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: have a similar conversation ship the JK. Dobbins. Also Higo

1010
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: State is Treveon Henderson and quin Shawn Judkins. Those guys

1011
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: are neck and neck with each other. I like him,

1012
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: I like him both both those guys. It would be

1013
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: I think it would be a conversation and I don't Again,

1014
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: I didn't pick that. I didn't project that. I think

1015
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: the Ravens will go a different direction. But again, they've

1016
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: mentioned running back enough to in press conferences. That just

1017
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 3: makes me wonder about whether we are not thinking not

1018
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: whether they could do it earlier than we realize.

1019
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go.

1020
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: My surprise would be if a wide receiver were to

1021
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: slip down there at twenty seven and they just say

1022
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: too good to pass up. Now, wide receivers don't usually slip,

1023
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: you know. Ted McMillan is the one that could by

1024
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: by if.

1025
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: You trust what the analysts are saying.

1026
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean, widely projected to be a top ten pick

1027
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: early in this predraft process and for whatever reason just

1028
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of you know, he didn't have a great combine

1029
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: showing just kind of slipping down the board a little bit.

1030
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: If he were there, you know, Matthew Golden out of Texas,

1031
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: could they potentially that would be a surprise. Yeah, and

1032
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: then this would certainly be less rising because we've talked

1033
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: a lot about it is but not I wouldn't rule

1034
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: it out.

1035
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: Is a first round guard, you know, like a Tyler

1036
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: Booker or a.

1037
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: Great example out of North Dakota State who's.

1038
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: He's a little bit more tackle guard, I would say,

1039
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: like a guard guard. Like you're saying, we're gonna really

1040
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: invest at guard and try to have a big, physical,

1041
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: bullying offensive line.

1042
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna do.

1043
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna be about that life, right, I mean the

1044
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Eagles, two great offensive lines. I would

1045
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: be surprised because I still think that they the Ravens

1046
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: prefer to do the kind of mid round you know,

1047
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: draft and develop strategy. It's particularly a guard, but if

1048
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: it's the best player available at twenty seven, and some

1049
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: of these other great defensive Derek Harmon, Malachi Starks, and

1050
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: Emon Warrior all gone, you know, and Booker's sitting there, sure.

1051
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: Maybe too good to pass up. So so there you go.

1052
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: Those are our seven round picks, plus a little bonus

1053
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: of dark horse potential for how the Ravens could attack

1054
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: this draft. Again, it's Thursday night. We're gonna have an

1055
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 3: episode Thursday night after that first round breaking down everything

1056
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: that happened that night and other Ravens first round picked.

1057
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: So we can't wait. It's a fun, exciting time. We

1058
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: appreciate you guys listening. Thank you so much. As always,

1059
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: you can email us at the Lounge at Ravens NFL

1060
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: dot net and we will be back with you again

1061
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 3: Thursday to break down what happens in the first round

1062
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: of the NFL Draft.