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Speaker 1: play at fifteen million, one thousand percent? But like, what's

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Speaker 1: he looking for? What deal would he be willing to sign?

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Speaker 1: Because if he goes Max Crosby or Miles Garrett, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, no, dog, not for me. And the problem

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Speaker 1: is if you're the Bengals, like what's his market? Does

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Speaker 1: of Lions fans hit me up, like when are we

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Speaker 1: gonna do something big? Like what are the Lions gonna

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Speaker 1: trade a first round pick and give them a hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars? No chance? So, because that would be crazy business.

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Speaker 1: The Rams, maybe they get back to their roots. They

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Speaker 1: got two first round picks. You never know, But I

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Speaker 1: don't think that one is as as like black and white,

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Speaker 1: right and wrong, you know, judging each side as I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's made out to be on the interweb.

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Speaker 1: A couple other quick things. Rich Eisen is going back

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Speaker 1: to ESPN, which I don't spend too much time on

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Speaker 1: media news, but that's interesting because Rich Eisen hosts the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, host Sunday Football for the NFL Network, and

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Speaker 1: host the combine, kind of an important cog in the

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Speaker 1: NFL new network. A month plus ago, Peter Schrager, I

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Speaker 1: would say, one of the bigger NFL network personalities also left.

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Speaker 1: There have been rumors for well over a year now

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Speaker 1: that the NFL network is in major trouble and the

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Speaker 1: NFL would gladly get rid of it. A year ago,

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Speaker 1: they moved Good Morning Football, maybe even a little less

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Speaker 1: from New York to LA Everyone's like, why'd you do that?

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Speaker 1: It's like, why are we paying this enormous studio fee

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Speaker 1: when we have a free one that we're already paying

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Speaker 1: for in Los Angeles. They want to get rid of this.

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Speaker 1: It is not making any money. They want out of

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Speaker 1: this business. It is not worth it for them. And

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Speaker 1: I think Peter Schrager and Rich Eiesen bouncing tells you

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know. My guess is and he's

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, and I think it's a no brainer. Listen,

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Speaker 1: mel is coming down the home stretch. He's had a

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Speaker 1: hell of a run. And I'm not some mel hater.

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Speaker 1: I know he became a I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: say controversial figure. But you know him going nuts about

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders like that's Mel's job, Like he's been doing

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Speaker 1: this for a long time. Like I would not surprise

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Speaker 1: me at all if Daniel Jeremiah is next. And I

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Speaker 1: think the NFL network, if you tell me that it

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Speaker 1: does not exist in a year, because even if the

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Speaker 1: ESPN quote unquote buys it, they're just gonna run everything

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Speaker 1: through ESPN. People do not watch NFL Network. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that I saw today is that NBC is

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Speaker 1: going to hire Michael Jordan. They didn't really I haven't

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Speaker 1: quite figured out exactly what he's gonna do. It's not

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Speaker 1: like he's gonna be calling games, maybe shows up and

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Speaker 1: makes some special appearances. Call me old school, but I'm kind.

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Speaker 3: Of a sucker for mysterious celebrities, really famous people, you know,

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Speaker 3: part of social media, which I think it's directly impacted

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Speaker 3: the death of legacy media, Like we just know too

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Speaker 3: much about these people and what they think about every issue.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't need to know that one thing I

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Speaker 1: feel healthier about in my life. I spend way less

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Speaker 1: time on Twitter. It's like, why do I need to

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Speaker 1: know what every newspaper writer thinks about every situation in

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Speaker 1: this world, and newsflash, I don't, and I'm healthier for

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Speaker 1: reading less of it. And I think part of what

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Speaker 1: makes Michael Jordan so special is we don't know that

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Speaker 1: much about him, and I think we have seen and listen.

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Speaker 1: I worked at a radio station where the guy that

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Speaker 1: ran it got a hard on for famous people. He

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Speaker 1: would do anything to get a big name on the

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Speaker 1: radio station. And sometimes if they were a good radio interview,

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Speaker 1: it was really good. But just because the guy was famous,

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Speaker 1: if it was terrible radio, which if it was really terrible,

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Speaker 1: it would also be good. But there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of like this is unlistenable. And I think historically you

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Speaker 1: see with television they have the same mindset. Let's get

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Speaker 1: the most famous guy possible involved in our sport. We've

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Speaker 1: seen it in football over the years. Jerry Rice, I

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Speaker 1: don't remember this, but Joe Montana was on TV. Obviously

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Speaker 1: he did not go well. Emmitt Smith. We've seen it

503
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Speaker 1: over and over. It's why Greg Olsen like talent's talent.

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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee was a punter. You know how many people

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Speaker 1: involved in pro sports like be like I could do that.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, you couldn't. No one would watch you

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Speaker 1: after a while. You're not entertaining. And I think we've

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Speaker 1: seen it with Magic Johnson, who just not that great

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Speaker 1: on television. And I do wonder if Michael Jordan now listen,

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Speaker 1: if Michael would talk like he's had a couple of

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Speaker 1: cocktails and letting it fly, he'd be good. I just

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Speaker 1: don't know if we're getting that guy. Listen. Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: to a man, every single human that's ever played with

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Speaker 1: him swears by the guy. It's like he's he could

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Speaker 1: balance this dude's dude super famous. People loved him. It's

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Speaker 1: like he's just one of the guys. I'd say. They

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Speaker 1: said the same thing about Peyton Manning, and Peyton just

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Speaker 1: refused to go all in. He kept it, you know,

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Speaker 1: light with Eli. But Tom then started doing the television

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Speaker 1: stuff in Colin games, and you're like, where's the Tom

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Speaker 1: that we've heard about? And he struggled because he's like

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Speaker 1: he's got the PRT. It's just hard, which I will

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Speaker 1: defend him. I understand it's hard to be the guy

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Speaker 1: that like a borderline F word could come out of

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Speaker 1: your mouth, you know, every sentence. So there's this balance.

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Speaker 1: But then you become too corporate and you're like, chose

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Speaker 1: some personality and I think, Michael, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to fail. I idolized as

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Speaker 1: a kid, Michael Jordan. If you were my age, I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you lived in Seattle, if you lived

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Speaker 1: in Florida, if you lived in Davis, California. You had

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Speaker 1: some sort of bulls apparel. I had a pair of

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Speaker 1: shorts and I had the jersey as well as a

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Speaker 1: poster signed by Michael Jordan. That's in my closet right now.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my prize possessions and I don't really

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Speaker 1: care that much about that type of stuff. I also

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Speaker 1: have a Jack Nicholas signed to John Jack Nicholas Best

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Speaker 1: of Life, Like basically wrote me this thing because my

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Speaker 1: dad had fished with this guy who then was buddies

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Speaker 1: with Jack and fished with him. My mom put in

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Speaker 1: front of the sun, and over the course of like

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Speaker 1: a decade when I was a kid, it disappears. So

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Speaker 1: now it's just a picture of Jack. You can't even

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Speaker 1: see the writing. Can't say the same about Michael. Still

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Speaker 1: looks good. Best wishes, Michael Jordan, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I would tend to lean. I'm not trying to be pessimistic.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. Then it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of hype and not much substance

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Speaker 1: behind it. Okay, let's end on this. Welcome to Chasing Challenges,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Microsoft. In the NFL, just like

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Speaker 1: into opportunities. In this segment, we explore some of the

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Speaker 1: biggest challenges being faced in the NFL and how they

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Speaker 1: can be overcome. Whatever challenge you're facing, Microsoft empowers you

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Speaker 1: with the expertise to say bring it on. This week,

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Speaker 1: we're discussing the challenge faced by the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 1: Their quarterback, which obviously was a weird situation, but he'd

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Speaker 1: been there started the last couple of years, retires. They

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Speaker 1: have a couple guys on the roster before the draft

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Speaker 1: named Jake Hayter, who they draft in the mid rounds,

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Speaker 1: who was essentially beat out the last couple last year.

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Speaker 1: By Spencer Ratler, who they drafted I think in the

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Speaker 1: third round, and then they draft Tyler Shuck here in

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Speaker 1: the second round, and I think Kellen Moore said or

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Speaker 1: kind of leaked out that we're just going to have

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Speaker 1: an open competition. To me, I think the moves pretty

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Speaker 1: simple because I think if you're the Saints, you either

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Speaker 1: need to do two things. One, you just need to suck.

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Speaker 1: So you were in position to have the number one

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Speaker 1: overall pick in draft a quarterback and change your franchise

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Speaker 1: and get out of this quarterback purgatory situation that just

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Speaker 1: forced you to give over seventy million dollars guaranteed a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago to Derek Carr. Or even if

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Speaker 1: you're not as good, Tyler Shuck should get every rep.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck should play every game as long as he's

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Speaker 1: physically able, and just find out do we have anything here?

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Speaker 1: Can this guy? Like does he show enough to go, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're drafting fourth, We're not gonna take a quarterback. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna believe in this guy for the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give this guy an opportunity. We're going to

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Speaker 1: invest in this player. But those are your only two

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Speaker 1: options now, So to me, maybe it's just politically correct

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Speaker 1: and you've got to do it for the morale of

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Speaker 1: your locker room. But the only thing internally they should

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Speaker 1: be thinking about is Tyler Shuck's gonna be our starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback and we're gonna learn one way or another. Is

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Speaker 1: this guy good enough? Moving forward? Can this guy be

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Speaker 1: at least our long term starting quarterback over the course

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Speaker 1: of his rookie contract if we build up a good

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Speaker 1: team around him. Can we compete with this guy? Because

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Speaker 1: if we can't, the only thing that matters then is

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Speaker 1: losing to put us in a position kind of like

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Speaker 1: the Titans to get a cam and then pivot moving forward. Now,

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Speaker 1: not ideal. They would have drafted quarterbacks in the last

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Speaker 1: three years, in the fifth, in the third, and in

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Speaker 1: the second round. But listen, if you don't have one,

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Speaker 1: no one will fault you for drafting another one. So

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Speaker 1: if I'm the Saints, this is gonna be a weird year.

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Speaker 1: You don't have much experience in your quarterback room. You

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Speaker 1: have a first year head coach who's a younger guy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you got Brandon Staley coaching defense, who knows what's going

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Speaker 1: on there. But there should be one goal and one

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Speaker 1: goal only figure out the quarterback position. Is the kid

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Speaker 1: good enough? Not even a kid? He's like thirty years old,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Can we play with this

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Speaker 1: guy going forward? We saw a you know, Andy Dalton

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Speaker 1: draft in the second round, was a starting quarterback for

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Speaker 1: a while. The Raiders drafted Derek Carr in the second round.

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Speaker 1: Was a starting quarterback for nine years. Jimmy Garoppolo, listen,

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Speaker 1: if you did a good enough job building up around

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Speaker 1: the team, could be a solid starting quarterback. Can he

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Speaker 1: be a player like that? Because if he can't, then

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Speaker 1: the goal should be to lose and be in positioned

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Speaker 1: So let's do a little mail bag at John middlecoff

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Speaker 1: most insane thing we've ever seen. And then a couple

641
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: months later, the Dallas Mavericks that had eighteen ping pong

642
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: balls out of a thousand get the number one pick,

643
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: who's widely considered one of the best prospects. You know,

644
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: top two or three over the course post Lebron. I

645
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: mean it's listen, that's like taking your accountant out to

646
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: dinner after he just saves you a bunch of money.

647
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: Tonight was not about the Mavericks tonight and the last

648
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: was about the Lakers and a league that you know

649
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: in the in the height of Curry Lebron in like

650
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, over the course of the next

651
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: seven eight years, half the NBA's audience disappeared. Yet they

652
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: got a contract with the television partners that more than

653
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: doubled it. It didn't even make sense to me, And listen,

654
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: I understand the power of life rights, but it's like

655
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: double what well, what if we could promise you that

656
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: the Lakers are Lebron's forty years old. We know that

657
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe a year left two, who knows it's

658
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: he could retire, Probably not, but uh, definitely a year

659
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: at a high level that there's no guarantee we'll take

660
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: care of them. We will have them good and boom,

661
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Luca's on the Lakers and the Mavericks get the number

662
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: one overall. Pick you know, people. For a long time,

663
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I think conspiracy theories were viewed as like crazy people,

664
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Speaker 1: and it listen, media people love take your ten and

665
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: foil hat, Like we have a little bit of a

666
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: runway now that a lot of things that were called

667
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: crazy and conspiracy theorists have been proven to be facts

668
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: and you can't tell me that tonight and going back

669
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: to the trade with Nico and the MAVs is not

670
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: one of the shadiest sports moments and stories we've ever seen,

671
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: And tonight felt like some validation of like, yeah, it

672
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: all kind of makes sense. And if you don't think

673
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: the league was involved, like I'm sorry. We don't have

674
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: much in common. I mean, really we don't. And I

675
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: don't blame. If I'm a Laker fan, I don't even care.

676
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: I got myself Luca, need to get them eating a

677
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: couple salads here and there, But like we won, and

678
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: if I'm a mass fan, it's like, yeah, sucks, I'd

679
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: probably rather have Luca. But it's like we got taken

680
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: care of so it all worked out, and Adam Silver

681
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: had his David Stern moment. No matter what, we will

682
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: take care of the brand and keep our most important

683
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: television product relevant. The NBA and I've talked about this

684
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: over is not the NFL. It's teams in smaller markets

685
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: are never gonna do the numbers of the Lakers, of

686
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: the Knicks, of what Steph Curry has turned the Warriors into.

687
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: They cannot You're honis on the Bucks. It's not the

688
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: same as the Chiefs and Patrick mahomes Chiefs and Patrick

689
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: Mahomes thirty million people. I mean, that's what happens the

690
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: Bucks play. I don't know the Pacers. People just aren't

691
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: watching that. So I just think that Adam Silver had

692
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: his David Stern moment, and it's one of the craziest,

693
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: most obvious corrupt things we've ever seen in my entire life.

694
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: You called me middlecoff. You're fucking insane. You're just saying

695
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: that there is no way you can convince me that

696
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: the league was not involved with this trade. I honestly

697
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: think a little bit less that Nico's some crazy person.

698
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Now like it. It kind of all makes sense. It

699
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: all makes sense. And if you wanted to argue that

700
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: the NFL should involve itself in a lottery, that was

701
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: riveting television. And now this storyline is everyone's gonna be

702
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: talking about it and the league doesn't care. What are

703
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: you gonna do, Sulim. I'm sure Danny Age wants to.

704
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean he's been tanking for like three years. What

705
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: just to happen? Jose, You man, don't go work for

706
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz and expect good things to happen to

707
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: you if the league is gonna be corupt because you're

708
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna get screwed. Man, What a night in the NBA

709
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: draft or lottery? Question for the mail bag? Which teams

710
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: do you think have increased their ceiling and floor the

711
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: most after the draft and free agency? I do think

712
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: the team that stands out to me, and especially if

713
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: you factor in the coach, I think there are two,

714
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Speaker 1: and I think it's the Patriots and the Bears. I mean,

715
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: just we know how important coaching is in the NFL

716
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: and Eva Flus. I mean, let's face it was kind

717
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: of an embarrassment as a head coach. I mean, he's

718
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: a good defensive coach. Girod Mail was just completely over

719
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: his head. And those guys got Mike Vrabel, who's proven

720
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: to take like random Tennessee teams to win playoff games.

721
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure were the Titans of the number one

722
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: seed a couple of years ago Tannehill melt it down.

723
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Titans of the number one overall seed,

724
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: think about that, and the Bengals nice little upset on

725
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: their way to the Super Bowl. But in Ben Johnston's

726
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: I would say the most highly touted offensive coordinator probably

727
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: since Kyle You know, people forget like Sean McVay was

728
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: a controversial hire. People did not view Sean McVay when

729
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: he was hired. Myself included, I'm guilty like the way

730
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: he became. Kevin O'Connell when he was hired wasn't viewed

731
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Speaker 1: like he's viewed now. Brian day Ball a lot of

732
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: hype behind Brian day Ball, So you could say maybe

733
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Speaker 1: since Brian day Ball was hired with the Bills coming

734
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Speaker 1: from Josh Allen, But I mean Ben Johnson's one of

735
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: the most hyped offensive coordinators I would just say of

736
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: recent memory. So I think they've added a bunch offensive linemen.

737
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: They draft the tight end from Michigan. They already had

738
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Speaker 1: good players on the team, so I think the Bears

739
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: and the Bears roster is better than the Patriots. But

740
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the Patriots, you know,

741
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: could they win eight nine games and all of a

742
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: sudden go from drafting back to back years really high

743
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: to competing for a wild card spot in December. I

744
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's outrageous. Derek Carr, according to Chad GPT,

745
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: he missed only two games when he played for the Raiders.

746
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: The concussion and injuries were all with the Saints. During

747
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: his nine year tenure with the Raiders in Vegas and

748
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: Oakland fourteen to twenty two, he missed two games due

749
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: to injury. Notably, in twenty sixteen, he suffered a fractured leg.

750
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: I remember that we talked about that yesterday, causing him

751
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: to miss the regular season finale. In the playoff game

752
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: in seventeen, he sustained a back fracture, but missed just

753
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: one game. Overall, Car was remarkably durable. I think his

754
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: career with the Raiders a little underrated. He took a

755
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: lot of blame for the dysfunction going on, and I'm

756
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: not saying he didn't have bad games, but I would

757
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: say he was the least of their worries most of

758
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: the time. I can't speak to every game he played

759
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: in the sayings that obviously got a little weird, but

760
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: A big fan of the pod question for the back.

761
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm going on my first bachelor party for a few

762
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: weeks in Fort Lauderdale in a few weeks, not for

763
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: a few weeks. For younger people these days, a co

764
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: ed bachelor party is popular, and this one is co ed.

765
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm going with my girlfriend, but just wanted some tips

766
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: for not over indulging on the three day Bender and

767
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: other courtesies you've seen over the years for bachelor parties

768
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: in general, picking up the tab, handling people that may

769
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: be downers and may not want to go with the flow,

770
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: go vikings. I gotta be completely honest. Maybe I truly

771
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: sound like a forty year old completely out of touch,

772
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: though I just got married recently. When you say it

773
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: co ed bachelor party, do you mean a bachelor and

774
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: a bachelorette party together? Like, do you mean that the

775
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: bachelor party and the bachelorette party are going on at

776
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: the same time, which would be less crazy to me,

777
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: which I would imagine has happened before in a similar venue,

778
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe for cost purposes. Or do you just mean that

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00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: your buddy's bachelor party is co ed, meaning you can

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00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: bring your girlfriends or they just come. I've never heard

781
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: of that. I've never heard of that. So I don't

782
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: want to speak out a turn here because if it's

783
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: a bachelor party not a bachsorette party and they just

784
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: it's co ed, that seems weird to me. Like I

785
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: think you can go to a bachelor party is because

786
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: they don't trust you guys. I got a red flag

787
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: of that situation. That's something I can't relate to. I

788
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: mean not that you, I just that seems weird to me.

789
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: Part of a bachelor party, whether you're going barha up

790
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: in club, in golfing, boating, whatever you're doing, it's like

791
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: you with the boys, you with you know, your good friend,

792
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: you're in the wedding, you're close friends with the guy,

793
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: your college roommates, people from high school, whatever. Never heard

794
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: of a co ed operation. I would say, I think

795
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: the hard part with courtesies it depends on ages. Like

796
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: if you're all I don't know how old you are.

797
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Let's just you know, once you get to us, you know,

798
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: in your mid to late thirties, some people are going

799
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: to be doing better than others. So when you go

800
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: again non co ed, let's say you got twelve fifteen,

801
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: ten guys at a nice steakhouse. Maybe people can kind

802
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: of get crazy, start ordering seafood towers and a bunch

803
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: of food, and then the bill comes and there might

804
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: be one dude who's i mean, making a ton of cash,

805
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: and a couple other guys that you know don't make

806
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: any money. So that's where it can get kind of weird.

807
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: I think you got it that there's no really right

808
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: or wrong way to kind of handle that. I think

809
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: sometimes just communicate like what are we cool with spending?

810
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: I only got a couple hundred bucks to spend that dinner.

811
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: If this thing gets outrageous, I gotta be out. Some

812
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: people are always going to be up and down in

813
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: terms of like being into stuff and being not into stuff.

814
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: I would say anytime that you know, if you have

815
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: the means can get you know, it's pretty easy to

816
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: get the group around the beers. I do again, like

817
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: does that include their girlfriends? Now? That's that's where I'm

818
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: kind of taking back. I feel very old if this

819
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: is if this is in, because there's one thing. If

820
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: you got ten dudes, it's like, hey, we get around

821
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: of beers, can we get some cocktails? Can we get

822
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: some shots? And it's like, does that ten now turn

823
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: into twenty because they got their ladies there. I also

824
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: would imagine there are gonna be some single guys. There

825
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: could be a little weird. I'm fascinated. I need to

826
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: follow up on that. The co ed thing. Never heard

827
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: of that. Hearing about Derek carr retirement reminded me of

828
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: when Colin used to have the opinion that he'd be

829
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer one day seeing his car mass

830
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: an zero to one playoff record. I think it's safe

831
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: to say that was a horrible take. What has been

832
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: your worst takes on a player? I mean I thought

833
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: Derek was like, clearly better than the group he was

834
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: in of like Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins not

835
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: that long ago, five six years ago, and then over

836
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: the course of his career. I don't think anyone would

837
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: put him above I don't know. I don't remember Colin

838
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: saying he'd be a Hall of Famer, but I was.

839
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: I would have been in agreement of speaking pretty highly of

840
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: Derek after a couple of years. I mean, I wasn't

841
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: that big on Lamar Jackson coming out of college. I

842
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: thought Jalen Hurst was a running back. I mean I

843
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: thought he couldn't throw. I'm an Oklahoma guy, the guy

844
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: that hired me at Fresdel State. I've said this a

845
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: million times. Works there. I've watched their program very closely,

846
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield to Kyler to Jalen might be a

847
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: little that older there. I went to the Texas Oak

848
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Homa game this year. I watched them lose by one hundred.

849
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: Like I follow Oklahoma's program, and obviously it was easy

850
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: people like Jalen. I just didn't think he could throw

851
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: it well enough. I thought that pick was crazy. I

852
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: thought that pick by Howie in the second round was insane.

853
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say it's gonna go down.

854
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's when you factor in how important that

855
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: position is. I mean I could define Howie Roseman's career

856
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: so that one be up there. Yeah, that'd be really high. Uh.

857
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: Is there an unexpected team next season that you can

858
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: see picking in the top five? For example, we can

859
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: all see where the Saints, the Giants, the Browns, etc.

860
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Would be picking in the top five. I think the

861
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: team that I'm gonna stay on is Miami. I think

862
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: Miami is just a team to keep an eye on.

863
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: I just can't get over this co ed bachelor parties.

864
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I think Kevin O'Connell's a great coach. I've watched Adrian

865
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: Peterson carry the Vikings offense and a rotating door of

866
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: failed quarterbacks all my life. Cousins was decent, but I've

867
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: always been looking for a franchise quarterback drafted and with

868
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: the team for a decade. Seeing O'Connell's offensive success with

869
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: a handful of quarterbacks, I'm hoping JJ is our guy.

870
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: I know you want to see a playoff win with O'Connell,

871
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: but is his true test going to be developing JJ

872
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: and setting him up for success? If JJ fails, you

873
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: think people will blame O'Connell. Would like to hear your thoughts.

874
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: Love the pod. My wife is from Davis. I'm from Chico.

875
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: We met at cal Pauly and we lived in Slow

876
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: for ten years. We just moved to Denver, and my

877
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: commute requires your podcast. Go Mustang's Baby. I don't even

878
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: know why I say that. I mean their teams are terrible,

879
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: but cool. I enjoy my fellow cal Polly brethren. Awesome

880
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: to meet your wife there, that's cool, I would say.

881
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: I think sometimes who's gonna fall on? We just got

882
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: to see how this plays out. Like, I totally understand

883
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: why they drafted him. Their team is going to be

884
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: competitive when you're the head coach. If things get weird,

885
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: it always kind of falls on you. I do think

886
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell established himself with Cousins and Sam Darnold. Even

887
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: if this next couple of years gets weird, I think

888
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: JJ will get blamed. Now it's easy to blame, like

889
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. It turns out Trey Lance wasn't good. But

890
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: the reason Kyle kind of could go like, well, not

891
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: totally because Purdy fell into his lap. So if JJ fails,

892
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: which I don't think he will, if I was a

893
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: betting man, is he going to be a star. I

894
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd go that way far, but I

895
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: mean more than likely. I feel pretty confident that they'll

896
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: get like some version of Alex Smith, right, That's what

897
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: I would bet on. Now, obviously you'd want more, and

898
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: maybe it turns out to more. I'd be stunned if

899
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: he's like Zack Wilson right or Trey Lance. But listen,

900
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: it's football. Not every guy is gonna succeed. Some of

901
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: these guys in this class are gonna fail. Right, there

902
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: was Caleb Jade and Drake Penix Knicks JJ. Well, we

903
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: all think Jaden's good. Everyone assumes Drake's good, and Willie

904
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: Cologne kind of pushed back against that Caleb. I mean,

905
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: people are still very bullish on him Bo Nicks. Everyone's

906
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: high on I'm rooting for Michael Penix, but that organization,

907
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: even if four of them succeed, two of them are

908
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna fail. So yeah, I think the quarterback would get

909
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: blamed over. Kevin just hurt someone, right, you saying Milroe

910
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: last season and compared to Lamar in their final season

911
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: of college. Jalen could be the next Lamar, But to

912
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: say his final season is comparable is pretty disrespectful to Lamar.

913
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: Just look at the stats. Rushing yards, passing yards, passing

914
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: touchdowns not even close. So let's look at the stats.

915
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: They both played thirteen games. Passing yards, Lamar threw from

916
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred more completion percentage. Milroe, who's considered the thing

917
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: with Lamar is sneaky, a little inaccurate in college, was

918
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: under sixty percent passing touchdowns twenty seven to sixteen picks,

919
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: same thing, eleven and ten rushing yards. Lamar was sixteen

920
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns, Jalen had twenty. Yeah, I mean, listen, I

921
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: do think the way Jalen Milroe season was talked about,

922
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: his stats do look better than the way we discussed

923
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: the season. I'm guilty of. I was like, yeah, Jalen

924
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: looked terrible this year, and maybe I'm just basing it

925
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: off of like a couple interactions. Beside the first half

926
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: of Georgia. He was elite first half of Georgia. I mean,

927
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: if he would have played like that the majority, he

928
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: would have won the Heisman and they would have been

929
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But then you watch other games, like

930
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: what is going on here? New offense was kind of weird.

931
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, when you think what I mean, think about

932
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: Debor with Pennix, it's just a lot different than than Jalen. Right,

933
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: Penix is a pocket quarterback. Jalen is much more of

934
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: a run around Lamar type player. My question is regard

935
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: to the quarterback position and what makes them an all

936
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: time great. Bradchise four rings and Akemans three, but they

937
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: are not considered a top ten quarterback, but people will

938
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: consider Dan Marino a top ten quarterback. How much emphasis

939
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: should be put on Super Bowl? I would say, Dan

940
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: Terry's before my time. I was born eighty four, never

941
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: watched him play. Dan. I came into my own in

942
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: the mid nineties, he was old. I would say this

943
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: about Dan Marino is working in the league and working

944
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of players that played in the eighties

945
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: in the nineties, like Todd Bowles or Lewis Riddick, or

946
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: these guys that played defense that were drafted in the

947
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: in the eighties that said, when you played Dan Marino,

948
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: his ball would come by your head like you know,

949
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: a sniper rifle. You'd be like, what is that? The

950
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: way his peers discussed him tells you everything you need

951
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: to know. I think Dan marine he knows respect from

952
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: his peers is as high as it gets. I would say,

953
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: as someone that rooted against the Cowboys as a kid,

954
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: I thought Troy Aigman was pretty good. Now I think

955
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw are discussed of like, well,

956
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw played with the Steele Curtain, which not talking

957
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: about the offense, talking about the defense. So one of

958
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: the great defenses in the history of the sport. I

959
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: mean a defense that was literally nicknamed and won four

960
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Now, he had good receivers. He had a

961
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: good Franco Harris, Stalworth, Lynn Swan, some legendary throws. I

962
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: think people consider him a really good player. But I

963
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: think if you were drafting, you know the guys that

964
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: you discussed in the top ten, I think Marino is

965
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: getting chosen over both those two guys. And I think

966
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman or Terry Bradshaw would tell you put Dan

967
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: Marino in his prime on the teams we played in

968
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: he would have done what we did as well. Like

969
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they would push back against that, right,

970
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: but think about the top ten quarterbacks? Who who? Like,

971
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: who are you kicking out? Brady Peyton, Farv Rogers, Elway,

972
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: Marino Young. Uh, you know, it's it's hard. It's hard

973
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: for me to talk about guys I didn't watch right,

974
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: So it's the seventies. I don't feel as comfortable, you know.

975
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: I know people like Joe Namath is a name we

976
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: throw out a lot. Name with is like a Ruthian figure,

977
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: though the difference is like Ruth hit However, many seven

978
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen home runs. Name with I think through

979
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: the same number of touchdowns is picks. I've always heard

980
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: from older people that you know either watched or you

981
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: know were coming into their own that name is a

982
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: little overrated. Stallback is highly you know, highly respected guy.

983
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: Uh Kenny Kenny the Snake, Who am I missing? You know,

984
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: guys like Drew Brees. Then you got to look at

985
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: the crew. Now you know mahomes Is, I'd say already

986
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: a top ten quarter back. Josh Allen and Lamar are

987
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: gonna go down his legends. You gonna be a great

988
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Like what if Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen both never

989
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: win Super Bowls? I think we'd all agree like they

990
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: are great players. How do you feel about how ironic

991
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: it is that during the Manning cast last year, Belichick

992
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: scoffed when the camera panned Taylor Swift. Now he has

993
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: the girlfriend in the spotlight, the TV cameras will be

994
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: looking for. Yeah, good goal. I just think that this

995
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: Belichick Jordan's story is kind of getting exhausting now, like

996
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: it's funny for a while. Now it's like, give me

997
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: a break, Like what are we talking about? It does

998
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: come up a lot. I mean I was in this

999
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: golf tournament and we talked a lot about it. I

1000
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: do understand if you were his kids, right, like if

1001
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: I was Belichick's son, seeing like his One of Belichick's

1002
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: kids wives comment on an Instagram account like, Dad, I

1003
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: don't give a shit if you leave me one penny.

1004
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't care if you warn Buffett, give it all charity,

1005
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: give it all to whatever fun, cancer research, help out

1006
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: the homeless, save you know, dog cannels, whatever you got

1007
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: to do with your money, but don't give it to her,

1008
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: like this is insane. We have seen a lot of

1009
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: old rich men in your position, which I would imagine,

1010
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: if they were in their prime, would regret what you're

1011
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: about to do. That to me has turned the conversation

1012
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: of like what is she really after?

1013
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 2: Now?

1014
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't recall this is about the Bengals rookies sitting.

1015
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Is this more emblematic of the Bengals as an organization

1016
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: or the players themselves? Based on the article that I

1017
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: read that the Bengals had low balled them based on

1018
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: last year's contract, I think it's a little less crazy.

1019
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: Though the Bengals can't be the first organization to have

1020
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of an impasse and it never happens.

1021
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: I will defend the kids on this, whether it's sitting

1022
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: out rookie Mini Caamp, which is crazy when you read

1023
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: that headline, whether it's none of these guys running the forty,

1024
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: this is not the player's idea. None of this is

1025
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: the player at twenty twenty one years old. This is

1026
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: not your idea. I promise you. I feel very confident

1027
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: on that this is all the agent telling them not

1028
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: to do it. This is an agent run decision making.

1029
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these guys not running the

1030
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: forty are doing it because they don't want to run

1031
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: the forty. I think it's all their representation telling them.

1032
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: Going back to Nico transferring out of Tennessee, I think

1033
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: he did that because of his father. So you have

1034
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: all these people that have their hand in your cookie jar,

1035
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: that are determining your decisions, which as a young man

1036
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: at nineteen twenty twenty one years old, like most people

1037
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: aren't General Patton making their own decisions here. You're very

1038
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: impressionable human beings when you're young. So it's like you

1039
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: get this guy that's a fifty year old agent giving

1040
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: you advice, You're gonna listen to him. Some of this

1041
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: nil stuff with your dad or your uncle. You're just

1042
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna listen to him whether they're right or wrong. I

1043
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: thought Cam Newton summed it up a while back, Well,

1044
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta be very careful. You take advice

1045
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: from be fucking careful. I think a lot of these

1046
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: guys are getting advice that, like, bro, you get an

1047
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: insurance policy, we're not tackling here. Does get you off

1048
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: on the wrong foot. And I understand it's just business,

1049
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: but are you doing Is this your decision or is

1050
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: this you know, your agent that lives in Newport Beach.

1051
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: After watching Willie Cologne's interview, I checked out some of

1052
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: the Eight Stealers highlights and that defense was insane. You

1053
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: got to see Ryan Clark absolutely destroy Wes Welker. It's

1054
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: one of the biggest hits I've ever seen. I'm shocked

1055
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: that he actually got up. They called a flag on

1056
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: the play, but just knowing that you had to go

1057
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: over the middle against that defense must have been terrifying.

1058
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: With guys like James Harrison and Troy Paulamalo. Do you

1059
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Speaker 1: think modern NFL teams could even hang with that roster?

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Speaker 1: And if so, which team today could actually compete against

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Speaker 1: that kind of roster? Well, if you think about like

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Speaker 1: in the two thousands, in the ninety and I would

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: even say up through like fourteen fifteen CT kind of

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00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: came in and then the league changed the rules, because

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Speaker 1: even up until like when I got out of the

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Speaker 1: NFL and started working in radio, the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 1: in Seattle would leave a player at least once every

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Speaker 1: other game or once a month send him to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: So you had these safeties that if you came across

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00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: the middle there was no flag, they were going to

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00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: rock you into oblivion. There was no such thing as

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: a defenseless player. If you were on the field, you

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01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: were just a football player. And I just think that

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Speaker 1: it's not even possible to compare because the Steelers, just

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01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: like the Ravens the Bengals, built these teams that would

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Speaker 1: destroy you. The Seattle with Cam Chancellor and Earl Thomas,

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers with Dante Hittner and Goldzen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and Bowman and Willison, these fucking people would get rocked.

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Speaker 1: You're not really able to play like that. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this the other day on the mailbag that I get

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Speaker 1: asked a lot in Arizona about Scataboo, and they're like,

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: how's skataboo? Gonna play like he played. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: because he's not running over you know, Ray Lewis is

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01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: not sitting there in the hole. Levon Kirkland and Kevin

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: Green and Ken Norton Junior, like, these guys don't play

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Speaker 1: in the league. The linebackers like Fred Warner is a

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Speaker 1: very violent, powerful linebacker. He's not exactly mister take on

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Meet Mike Alstott and Lorenzo Neil and the

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Speaker 1: whole type of player. Like. So, the style of the

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Speaker 1: sport is skinnier, faster guys. It's a space and speed game.

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Speaker 1: So those guys, if they played by their rules. One,

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Speaker 1: if you allowed big hitting in the league, a lot

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Speaker 1: of safeties would destroy people in the game would be

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Speaker 1: a lot more violent because at their core, a lot

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Speaker 1: of safeties like if you got if you let big

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01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: hits like Hufunga, Hufungo wants to r CJ. Gardner Johnson

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Speaker 1: like these these guys want to rock your they just

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Speaker 1: not really allowed to. So I it just depends, like

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Speaker 1: the rules. If you allowed those teams to play by

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Speaker 1: those rules, they would have an advantage because they're comfortable

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Speaker 1: doing that. You're just not allowed to play like that anymore.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to do like an apples to apples comparison.

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Speaker 1: It really it's like a different sport. A mail back question.

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Speaker 1: I've heard you and many of your contemporaries wonder who

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Speaker 1: of my contemporaries are prop up Herbert For what it's worth.

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01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: I was high on him, but after six years in

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01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: the league textually five, but I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Two playoff appearances and two horrible showings, including one historic collapse.

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Speaker 1: At what point does somebody's talent and draft pedigree become

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: a little overrated. I feel like most people right now

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01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: would take Herbert overhears to start a franchise based on talent,

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Speaker 1: But look at Hert's production in the playoffs. How could

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Speaker 1: you realistically take Herbert? I think sometimes it's hard. We

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01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: just use the Marino Aikman Bradshaw example, Google Marinos teams

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Speaker 1: like they just weren't as good. I mean, Trey Aikman

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01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: played on some of the best teams in league history.

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: Steve Young when he took over for Joe Montana. They

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Speaker 1: had backups that would have started in every team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, including himself. So like the league, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of these teams team. It's not fair fight, This

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01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: isn't not everything's equal here, And I think the Eagles

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: are a good example of like, he plays on a

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Speaker 1: pretty unreal team, so he use this example. He's been

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Speaker 1: in the league five years. For four of those years

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Speaker 1: he had Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley as his head coach.

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01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: This year he had a real head coach and still

1127
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: didn't have that much talent on his best receivers, Lad McConkie,

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Speaker 1: and he threw twenty three touchdowns and I think he

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01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: only threw like three or four interceptions and they won

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Speaker 1: eleven games aful in the playoffs. If you want to

1131
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: argue that Jalen's a bright lights, bigger, big time player

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Speaker 1: more than Herbert, I can't argue with you, and the

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01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: facts are that's true right now. But I've seen one

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Speaker 1: year one of Herbert with a real coach and he

1135
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. Bad playoff game, but a

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Speaker 1: ton of success. Jalen Hurts got drafted into a well

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Speaker 1: run organization. I think we all consider Howie, if he's

1138
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: not the best GM, one of the best gms in

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01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: the league they have had since Jalen has been there.

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: One of the best rosters, and for two of his

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01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: three years, of the two Super Bowl years, he had

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Speaker 1: Shane Steichen who immediately became a head coach, and then

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01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: this year Kellen Moore, who immediately became a head coach.

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01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: Now are those guys good head coaches? Got no clue?

1145
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: They're good offensive coordinators. So, like I think sometimes we

1146
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: talk about this and it's sports. It's fun argument, but

1147
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: it's not basketball, Right, Like, if I get Lebron James

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01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: or Steph Curry in his prime, it's not gonna be

1149
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: that hard to put random guys around and just be

1150
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: really competitive, right, and more often not, if I get

1151
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Speaker 1: him one All Star, we're gonna be cooking with gas.

1152
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: Look at Jokic. Jokic has never played with an NBA

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: All Star ever in his career. How many Pro Bowlers

1154
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: did Jalen play with this year? How many Pro Bowlers

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01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: did skill guys? Say Quon best running back in the league,

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01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: AJ Brown won, the best wide receivers in the league,

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01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, DeVante's got to be, I mean top three,

1158
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: number two wide receiver in the league. Goddard's really good

1159
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: tight end, elite offensive line, probably the best tackle combination.

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01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: Dickerson and Jurgens Becton just got money as a free agent,

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Speaker 1: best no line coach. And again I've come around on Jalen.

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Speaker 1: I respect the shit out of them, but like it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard to just compare the situation. Now give let's

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Speaker 1: give him two more years Herbert with with and see

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Speaker 1: how it looks with Jim RBA a real organization, because

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Speaker 1: now the Chargers feel like they're a real organization. Do

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Speaker 1: you think Burrow gets enough respect? Alan and Lamar are

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Speaker 1: combined zero to three against Mahomes in the AFC Championships

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Speaker 1: and Burrow is one and one. Burrow is better wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: but Alan and Jackson have better overall rosters, coaches in

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Speaker 1: front offices. Still, I think if you give Mahomes true serum,

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Speaker 1: he'd say Burrow scared. There is a more in an

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: AFC Championship game than the other two. Yet Alan and

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01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: Jackson get mentioned more as Mahomes' rivals in the AFC

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: by the media. Curious what your take is on the pot?

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Speaker 1: I know for a fact the Chiefs respect level for

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen could not be any higher. They view Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen as an absolute mother. You know what to go

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Speaker 1: up against and while they didn't play this version of Lamar,

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Speaker 1: who definitely you know, last year the Lamar game in

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game was embarrassing that there is no

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Speaker 1: way about it. Score ten points with an elite defense,

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: you hold them to seventeen points, you have to win

1184
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: that game. The turnovers this year kind of suck, but

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Speaker 1: he played really well in the second half, Like that

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01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: version of Lamar can beat anybody. And if Andrews holds

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01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: on to the balls, they would have a chance against

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs in the next round. But those guys, like

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Speaker 1: I think all three go together, you know, I think,

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01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. Burrow gets dinged because of the

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: place in which he plays a little weird. I mean,

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01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: he just he plays in just a chaotic environment. And

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are very very lucky to have them, because

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Speaker 1: if they just had like an average quarterback, with the

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Speaker 1: roster in which they had and the coaching staff they had,

1196
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: like you gave them like a Dak Prescott, a Kirk Cousins,

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01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they'd win sniff seven six wins. They'd

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: be terrible. Jamar Chase to be screaming, get me the

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Speaker 1: hell out of here. I think all three. You know,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes his resumes, I mean borderline unprecedented to start a career.

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: The other three guys are just they're Alzheimer's And if

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: Lamar can just not calm down a little bit in

1203
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I mean, listen, I'm biased. I had five

1204
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: k on them to beat the Chiefs, and I fucking

1205
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: have known Andy and Veach for a long time. I

1206
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: bet against him and I can't unsee that. I can't.

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01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: I also took the Bills against the Chiefs in that

1208
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: AFC championship this year hard for me. Doesn't see that one,

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Speaker 1: So I hear you. So Burrow's the only guy that

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01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: beat him, and Burrow usually could have won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: A lifelong Bucks fan, I consider the Monte Kiffin defense

1212
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: top five all time, if not top three Barber Brooks, Lynch,

1213
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: Rice Sap. Their stats are crazy? Am I just biased? Also?

1214
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: Why is the full back not a thing anymore? Mike

1215
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: Alstott is my all time favorite player and is an

1216
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: all time and in a time of the tush push

1217
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: seems like it would work. Allstott was guaranteed half a

1218
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: yard player. I would say in my I can't speak

1219
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: to the really the eighties and the nineties, or excuse me,

1220
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: the seventies and the eighties. I think if you look

1221
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Speaker 1: at the tote of the league like a historian, if

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: I got Steve Sable, God rest his soul, he'd tell

1223
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 1: you you'd be hard pressed to not have the Steelers

1224
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: really really high of the seventies. I think the eighty

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01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: five Bears, it's like, could this guy make the twenty

1226
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: seven Yankees? Right? That's the way that that lineup, Like

1227
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: Ruth and Gerrig is the way that people talk about defense.

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01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: The eighty five Bears, to me is the bar. Then.

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01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of teams just in

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: the mix right modern day that I've seen. I would

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01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: say the Ravens of two thousand whatever you want to

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01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: consider that best defense of Tampa. I mean they picked

1233
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: off rich Gainnon five times in Super Bowl. Now, granted

1234
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: Grew knew the plays. The Steelers defenses with Coward to

1235
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: Tomlin were pretty pretty unreal. I think the Seattle defense

1236
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: with Pete Carroll for four straight years was the number

1237
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: one scoring defense. You know, if Richard Sherman was sitting

1238
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: right here, you'd throw their hat. They were good. I

1239
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: saw them live a bunch. I mean they had inside

1240
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: pass rushers, outside pass rushers, linebacking corps was unreal. All

1241
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: the dbs were good. Pete Carroll one of the great

1242
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: defensive minds in league history. I think some of those

1243
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: patriot deal I mean, there's they're just in the short

1244
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: list of just they're a great defense. I think most

1245
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: people would just say the best defense of all time,

1246
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: eighty five Bears. And then from there, I think we argue,

1247
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: and I think Tampa's in the argument, whether they're second,

1248
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: whether they're fourth, whether they're fifth, but they're they're in

1249
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: the argument. But I think it's pretty clearly it's like

1250
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: who's the best NBA player of all time? Michael Jordan?

1251
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: You want to argue two through eight, Let's argue, but

1252
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: most people ain't budget, you know, remove Twitter for fucking

1253
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: Lebron James starts with Michael Jordan. Just like the Bears,

1254
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: eighty five Bears, they don't have an argument for the

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Speaker 1: next three or four spots. Appreciate everyone listening. Talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys soon. The volume