1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Ron Anian. When you're in a situation like that, and 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: sometimes especially when you're a mechanic, you find yourself feeling 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: like you're talking to yourself. Is like talking to the 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: car doctor. Is the anti theft warning indicator on it? 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: If you don't know which light is the anti theft 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: warning indicator, boy, you've got a problem. You know. That's 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: just one of the things you need to know about 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: your cards. It's critical. Welcome to the radio home of 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: ron and Anian the Car Doctor. 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Volkswagen came into the 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: shop this week. You know, some weeks, I think Volkswagon 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: makes it too easy to pick on them, and uh, 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: it just it just gets better and better each and 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: every day. I enjoyed Tuesday. By the way. You see Tuesday, 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Volkswagen stock fell seventeen point two billion dollars or some 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: crazy number like that, and I couldn't help but think 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: maybe my acronym VW, maybe virtually worthless, is really gonna 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: be true to what they become. But we'll have to 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: wait and see as they go through this metamorphosis in 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: this change, because Volkswagon is not gonna look the same again, 48 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: if at all, ever for a very long time. But 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: there's ninety eight Volkswagon came into the shop a beatle 50 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: and the complaint was that while you're driving along, after 51 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: a while, the red light on the dashboard started flashing 52 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: and that meant overheat. Now, fortunately the customer showed some 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: common sense, which is sort of a rarity in this 54 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: day and age, but this person actually showed common sense 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: and pulled over, parked the car, called for a tow truck, 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: and had a towed in. They didn't want to drive it. 57 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: They were fearful of of hurting it. And I was like, wow, 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: look at this, somebody that you know kind of gets it, 59 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: like a dash warning light goes off and they pay attention. 60 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: Imagine that. So naturally it fell on myrack because I 61 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: think the boys in the shop are trying to prove 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: that you know how much I love volkswagons, and you 63 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: know what, I do love Volkswagons, especially the tail lights. 64 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: Leaving the shop. But you know, it was like, fixed 65 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: the car run, all right, I'll fix the car ran 66 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: it did my usual coach, went through my diagnostic routine 67 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: and found out the cooling fans were not coming on 68 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: at all. It would get up to two forty five 69 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: degrees and then the red light would start flashing on 70 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: the dashboard, meaning that it was approaching meltdown. And I 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: thought about it for a second. I gotta say, well, gee, 72 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: if I let it melt down, that's one less Volkswagon 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: on the road. But then we'd have There's not a 74 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: lot of room in the landfills lately, especially with the 75 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: latest Volkswagon recall. So I guess I'll fix this one 76 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: and keep it running, he said, tongue tongue in cheek. 77 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: So you go through the way they wire the cooling 78 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: fans on this and there's a point to this story, 79 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: I promise, in that you look at the stupidity because 80 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: there's no other way to put it. They mount the 81 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: fuse block or one of the fuse blocks for this 82 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: particular beetle, like they do on a lot of their 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: cars on top of the battery. Now, I want to 84 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: know what engineer in their right mind mounts something as 85 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: delicate as a fuse box and fusible links on top 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: of a device that SPUs acid as it gets older, right, batteries, 87 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, gas and they vent and and and and 88 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: acid comes out. And as a matter of fact, this Volkswagen, 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: the top of the battery was a little wet and 90 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: had corrosion on the terminals, and the fuses are a 91 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: quarter of an inch above it, laying there in this 92 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: plastic housing. It turns out that the thirty M fuse, 93 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: the last one on the left, was melted. It had 94 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: it had burnt away in the bottom part of the 95 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: fuse box was melted and dissolved, and it had taken 96 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: the fuse out with it. And that happened to be 97 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: the fuse that ran the electric cooling fans. Okay, so 98 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: I started to trace the circuit. It comes down out 99 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: of that fuse. It goes down to a thermo wax 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: switch in the bottom of the radiator. Thermo wax which 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: just went out about seventy four because that's where we 102 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: started to have vacuum switches with wax pellets in them 103 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: to open and close. A lot of the car companies 104 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: went to thermo time or thermal points switches that we're 105 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: much more accurate. Whereas this wax switches. It should come 106 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: out on a degrees give or take one to twelve 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: to twenty two oh five. You know, it depends on 108 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: the manufacturer, what day of the week it is, and 109 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of other factors, but it's close. After that switch, 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: it then goes to one of two places. There's three 111 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: wires coming to that switch. Is a hot coming down 112 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: from the fuse. There's a hot that goes over to 113 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: the two fans which are wired in series, and then 114 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: there's a smaller gauge wire which runs over to this 115 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: two fifty fan controller module which runs only the high 116 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: speed fan. Now, if you look at a typical car, 117 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: a normal car per se most run fan switch, computer 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: command or a fan switch that goes to a relay 119 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: which will just flip one way or the other and 120 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: run a higher all a van, not Volkswagen. We're gonna 121 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: overcomplicate it. We're gonna put everything in the system this way. 122 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: Everything has to be looked at and diagnosed. What it 123 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: turned out was the high quality technology, thermo wax switching. 124 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: The lower left corner of the radiator had stuck on 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: and ran the fans to the point that they actually 126 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: one of them actually burnt itself out and it was 127 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: hard to turn and it melted the fuse holder. So 128 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: maybe the car was saying I've had enough, I just 129 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: want to self destruct. Maybe that was meltdown. Maybe that 130 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: was like you know on Star Trek when Captain Kirk says, 131 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: self detruct Deakinson, let's let's energize in a way we go. 132 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: But bottom line that to repair this Volkswagen very tedious, 133 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: very time consuming, a lot of which way does this 134 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: wire go? And what does this wire do? And I 135 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: think when you approach a Volkswagen, it's it's part of 136 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: the diagnosis. It's you know, they're okay to work on. 137 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: Did I say that they're okay to work on? But 138 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: there's there's a mentality to them. There's a process that 139 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: you have to sit down and decipher and and the 140 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: biggest problem is chances are what you learn on the 141 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: Volkswagon today will be different on the next Volkswagen tomorrow, 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and it could be another Beetle. But if it was 143 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: made a different week, they might have had left over 144 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: worst surplus parts, so they decided to just make things 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: entirely different, use up more components, and add more things 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: to the car. Because you see, when you're fixing a Volkswagon, 147 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a fix like nothing else. But you've got 148 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: to have a couple of things in order to be 149 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: a proper Volkswagen owner. And I think it translates well 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: to the rest of you out there driving every other car. 151 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: Number one, you've got to have common sense. She did 152 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: the right thing. She came in when the hot light 153 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: was on. Number two, she authorized me and gave me 154 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: the okay to diagnose and repair the problem instead of 155 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: throwing parts at it. Everything got diagnosed. I didn't put 156 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: a fan controller and it didn't need it. The highside 157 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: fans were good. Put a Thermo wax switch, changed the 158 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: fuse box which it could have been on someplace other 159 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: than the battery, and put a set of fans in it. 160 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, a thousand dollars later, the car was fixed. 161 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: But you know what, we still got our Volkswagen and 162 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: we can drive it around with a little flour in 163 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: the dashboard and look good because um, that's what Volkswagen 164 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: owners like to do, so, I just wanted to start 165 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: the hour today telling you a Volkswagen story. I thought 166 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: it would be appropriate. I know a lot of you 167 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: think I hate Volkswagen. I just look at them and 168 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: I scratched my head and I say why, And um, 169 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out just if they are virtually worthless 170 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks, because commenting on that Volkswagen story 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: that we all read about this week with emissions and 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: real quick, I'll just jump into this real quick. The 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: Volkswagon problem is that they basically designed a bunch of 174 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: their diesel cars to run on software that only when 175 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: they do the emissions test for inspection does the vehicle 176 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: come into compliance. Other than that, the software is cheating 177 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: and running the car in a different mode to give 178 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: it better performance, but emitting higher emissions levels. And I've 179 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: read reports where the emissions levels are thirty to thirty 180 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: five percent above federal spec So, and that's what you're 181 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna be falling for because Volkswagen's got its issues. The 182 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: CEO step down Wednesday. There's a new CEO in place, 183 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: the guy from Porsche, and you're gonna watch Volkswagen fall 184 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: from position of number one world number one automaker down 185 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: to something else. And it's gonna be an interesting fall 186 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: as we see them take their take their tumble. But 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: you know what's gonna be really interesting to see if 188 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: people will be loyal to them. I have this theory 189 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: and I'll say it right here. Everybody knocks GM Ford 190 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: and Chrysler, and you'll love to bash the American car companies. 191 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: I have not seen the fewer that people bash GM 192 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: Ford and Chrysler coming up against Volkswagen. Yeah, a little 193 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: bit here and there, but everybody's like, poor Volkswagen. You 194 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: know what, they did something wrong, They cheated and they 195 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: deserve to have their hand held to the fire. Let's 196 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: see if everybody can take the heat. Eight five zero 197 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I'm running any of the Car Doctor. 198 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: I'll be back to open the garage doors right after this. 199 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Why don't they the car Doctor rolling along? 200 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: Let's get up and kick the garage doors back and 201 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: welcome Pat from Chicago, Illinois and some questions about PCM 202 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: and transmission. Pat. Welcome to the Car Doctor. How can 203 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: I help? Hi? Royan, thanks for taking my call. You 204 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: have a question to night. Recently, he had a PCM 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: and saw in my car replaced on my car because 206 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: it quit altogether and h But I was wondering if 207 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: that had anything to do with the hard shift team 208 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: I had with the transmissions Proud Boom earlier, because I 209 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: had a solenoid replaced my transmission three weeks before that, 210 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: and the problem team back three weeks after, just before 211 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: I was about to take it into card quit and 212 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: I changed my PCM. So I'm wondering if the solenoid 213 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: was even a problem to begin with. So, in other words, 214 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: what you're saying, if I understand your pad, is that 215 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: you had a problem with the way the trans was shifting. 216 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: They diagnosed and replaced a solenoid, and three weeks later 217 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,239 Speaker 1: the car just died. It was diagnosed as a bad PCM, 218 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: and now the car shifts and operates normally. Yeah, before 219 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: I could bring it back to the original shop that 220 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: did the transmission was working perfect. Well, here's here's the deal. 221 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: Guess what might have taken out the PCM The solenoid, 222 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: if the solenoid, if it depending upon how the solenoid 223 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: failed and just exactly what it was doing. All all 224 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: solenoids that generation vehicle require a certain resistance value, typically 225 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: twenty olms or less, and if it was um, if 226 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: it was a problem, if it was out of range 227 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: and or twenty oms are more. I'm sorry, um, there's 228 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 1: a range there. And if it was out of range, uh, 229 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: it could cause a short inside that PCM and create 230 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: the problem of a shifting point. And now it's fixed, 231 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: So it sort of looks like you didn't need the 232 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: second rather than the ladder. Every time we used to 233 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: change PCMs on those cars, we always had a home 234 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: all the solenoids. There was a way to go into 235 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: the connector at the e c M, and the manufacturers, 236 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: the rebuilders GM or whoever it was, would have us 237 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: go through an oom out all the solenoids or control 238 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: modules or whatever we were testing in that circuit to 239 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: make sure they met a certain resistance value, because otherwise 240 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: you plug in a new PCM and pop that one too. 241 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: So you you you kind of did it backwards and 242 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: saved yourself a step. From the sounds of it. That, Yeah, 243 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: if it's working, it's probably it was the transolinoid was 244 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: bad and that's what I've got the PCM in the 245 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: first place. Oh okay, well great, I really appreciate the information, 246 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: all right, sir um, And you're lucky. You know, I 247 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: should point out to you're lucky to have found a 248 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: PCM simply because obviously Oldsmobile has gone these many years. 249 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the problems I always said 250 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: with computer cars is coming home to roost, and that 251 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: the electronics are getting harder to find on older models. 252 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: It's the same as you know now trying to find 253 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: a valid Windows XP operating system or a computer that 254 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: would run it. It just doesn't exist. Technology is marching 255 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: marching on and you're finding that it's uh, it's that 256 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: way with automobiles as well, sir. All right, okay, fantastic, 257 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. You're very welcome. You have a good 258 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: rest of the day. And say hey to the gang 259 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: out in Chicago. Let's go and talk to George and 260 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: the Bronx New York. Two thousand eleven Volkswagen. George, I'll 261 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: be gentle. What's going on here? Hey? How you doing that? 262 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: All right? Now? I'm having problems with my Volkswagen and 263 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven g t I and uh, well I 264 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: crashed it in early January. I slipped on a black 265 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: ice and uh it was. I had a toe it 266 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: because it wouldn't drive, And so after I told it, 267 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: I sent it to auto body shop on Boston Road 268 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: in the Bronx and then uh, they fixed it. They 269 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: did the auto body work, and then it started it 270 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: was misfiring. So my engine kept on shaking. And after 271 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: after a while I kinda ended up driving it while 272 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: it was misfiring, which I shouldn't have done. But then 273 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: around like I want to say, like three three weeks, Uh, 274 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: it's just the transmission started getting jump beyond me. The 275 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: RPM started bouncing, and the car kept on pulling me back, 276 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: like back and forth. Right. Let me ask you, let 277 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: me ask you this. When you scan this for codes, 278 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: what sort of information did you get out of it? Uh? 279 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: I had a first, it was the cranch, the crankshaft sensor. 280 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: That was the only sensor that popped up after the 281 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: miss It was also the engine misfire or piston misfire. Okay, 282 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: so so it had a misfire fault, that had a 283 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: crank position fault. Was any of that diagnosed and repaired? Um, 284 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: the the misfiring was repaired. After the misfiring was repaired, uh, 285 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: it was still jump beyond me with the transmission. So 286 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: after that I sent it to my uncle and uh 287 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: I had actually totally I paid four dollars told from 288 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: the Bronx to Massachusetts. Okay, hang on a second, let 289 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: me let me let me back you up a minute 290 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: after after the check engine light fault codes were diagnosed 291 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: and repaired, is the check engine light still out? Yeah? 292 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: The check engine light was still on? No? Still on? 293 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: Are still off? Still? It was still on? After I 294 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: sent it to the shop and they fixed the misfiring. Okay, 295 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: so they didn't fix the misfiring, then it still has 296 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the problem. Yeah, but the code wasn't popping up for 297 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: the misfiring. Okay. What code was popping up? It was 298 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: the crankscheft sensor. Okay, but didn't they fix that as well? 299 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: That's what we sent them to get. We sent the 300 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: car to get fixed for the misfiring, and then after 301 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: that I sent it to my uncle to help to 302 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: take the check engine light off to see what the 303 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: problem was because we didn't know what was going on. 304 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Because okay, so where does it where does it stand now? 305 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Right now? It's it's a it's still just jumping on 306 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: the train. It's jumped on the transmission. Every time it's 307 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: going from like i'd say, what first to second gear? 308 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: It just is gonna pull you back and forth. Okay? 309 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: Is the check engine light still on? The check engine 310 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: light is not on? All right? Does the check engine 311 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: light light up when you turn the key on and 312 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: the engines off? I'm sorry? Could you say that again? 313 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: When you turn the key on and the engine is off, 314 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: is the check engine light still on? Check engine still? Yes? 315 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: When the engine is off. Does the check engine light 316 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: light up if you turn the key? Okay, so the 317 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: check engine lighter is it doesn't? Wait a minute, let's 318 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: back up a second. This is kay. You turn the 319 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: key on and the engine is off, does the check 320 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: engine yes? Yes, yes, the check engine light does yestand 321 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: all right, that's okay. So we have bulb check all right, 322 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: which which I just want to verify that the system 323 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: is operating properly. All right. What what did your uncle 324 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: at the trans shop do to repair the check engine 325 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: light fault? Did he say? Um, no, he actually didn't 326 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: see He actually didn't repair the engine light, not the engine. 327 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry he didn't repair the transmission because we send 328 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: it to him and he fixed started fixing up the sensors. 329 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: That's saying that we're misplaced. Okay, I'm confused because it 330 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like the first shop fixed the misfires, 331 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: then crank censor faults came out, and then it went 332 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: to your uncle for crank censor faults. But he's a 333 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: trans shop. No, he's not a trends he's not a 334 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: trend shop. He's just himself like a shop. Okay, so 335 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: right now they're all the faults are repaired, but the 336 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: vehicle doesn't accelerate properly. Yes, that's correct. It feels like 337 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: it feels like like the air flow sensor is like 338 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: it's not breathing properly. That's what it kind of seems like. 339 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: Number one, and the clock is gonna take me, George, 340 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: so I gotta be quick. Number one, you may want 341 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: to talk to your insurance company because if any of 342 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: this is accident related, all the money you're spending is 343 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: covered under your policy because it extends from the accident. 344 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Number two, take a careful look at mass airflow readings 345 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: and fuel trim to see if they're anywhere near in speck, 346 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: and then call me back and we can have another conversation. 347 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: From their clock's gonna take me, George. I'm sorry, Hey, 348 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: coming up next, Paul Eisenstein. I'll be back right after this. 349 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: It was quite a week in the world of automobiles 350 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: this week, folks along and welcome. By the way, I'm 351 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: ronin any in the car doctor, Volkswagen was caught up 352 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: in a scandal. Unless you were living under a rock 353 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: or visiting the Pope in New York City, which you 354 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: might have been. Um, you have to hear about this. 355 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: It was, Um, it's quite a bit in the news. Um, 356 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: just out of the Detroit Bureau of the Detroit Bureau 357 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: dot com or good friend, Paul Eisenstein, He wrote, German 358 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: authorities now say two point eight million Volkswagen diesel vehicles 359 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: sold in that country are affected by the maker's rigging 360 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: of emission tests. But v W may not be the 361 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: only maker implicated. I know this guy on radio who's 362 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: said when he first heard about this, it was the 363 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. Back to Paul. The suspect turbo 364 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: diesel engine used by Volkswagen apparently also was sold to 365 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: several other manufacturers, including Chrysler Mitsubishi for use in some 366 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: of the European models. Wow, And that's the only way 367 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: that comes to my mind, because I think Volkswagen is 368 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: in a world of trouble, and so are a lot 369 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: of other vehicle manufacturers. Here to help us sort out 370 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: with the facts, our friend Paul Eisenstein at the Detroit 371 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: Bureau the Detroit Bureau dot com. Pall, welcome back to 372 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: the car doctor, sir, good to be with you, and 373 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: your reference to the Pope may be appropriate because I 374 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: think VW it doesn't have a prayer without some divine intervention. Yeah. Absolutely, 375 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: they are in a world of trouble. Uh. You know, 376 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, correct me if I'm wrong, their stock fell. 377 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: I think was the number, and I think at the 378 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: moment they're down about the scandal was was the first 379 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Uh set into motion a week and a half ago 380 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: when the e p A announced that there were four 381 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: d two thousand vehicles here in just the United States 382 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: likely affected by by this problem. Uh, we're going to 383 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: see a big recall here. We may see even bigger 384 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: recalls in Europe. Your recall. Not only is v W 385 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: one of the largest makers in the world and certainly 386 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: in Europe with various brands, but the diesels also happened 387 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: to be the dominant form of power train in Europe. 388 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: So this is gonna be big over there if it 389 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: proves that they were cheating there as well, and it 390 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: now is starting to look that way. Well, and you know, Paul, 391 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: I think that the biggest damage will be to the 392 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: image of diesel engines. Unfortunately, the people will look at 393 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: this as and just when diesels were starting to come 394 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: out of the out of the closet, so to speaking 395 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: around away from you know, big old, dirty, smoky noisy, 396 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: they were getting very high tech, they were being they 397 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: were very clean, they were very efficient, and then this 398 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: just sort of tarnished their image and um, you know, 399 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: here we go again, and it's going to take a 400 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: long time for the public to forget. What do you 401 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: think the public's reaction is going to be to this, Paul, 402 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: You have you seen any indicators yet? Well, we're already 403 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: hearing some things that sales at VW stores in general, 404 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm told have really collapsed. I think they've lost so 405 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: much trust that it's going to really hurt them in general. Uh. 406 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: And then when you add up the fact that they 407 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: have already taken there there, uh, diesels, the fource Ola 408 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: diversion anyway off the market. They've essentially said for the 409 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: time being, they have no interest, no ability to sell 410 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: them because, uh, those vehicles can't be quickly fixed. As 411 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I don't know if v W 412 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: knows at all. But the real question is what will 413 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: happen long term to the diesel market in general, And 414 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: that's unclear, but it looks like it could take a 415 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: big hit. Mike Jackson, who runs Auto Nation, you know, 416 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: the largest, the largest UH auto dealer chain in the country, said, 417 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: this is a real black guy. And where do you 418 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: think this leaves the manufacturers that are using the Volkswagen 419 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: engine in their cars, like Chrysler for example. Well, that's 420 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: an interesting question. Now there aren't a huge number of them, 421 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: but it turns out that some manufacturers were using or 422 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: buying these diesels from from VW for use overseas, particularly 423 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: in Europe. Chrysler was using them apparently through its bankruptcy, which, 424 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: as you may recall, ran through two thousand nine, and 425 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: uh it right now, it's unclear not only did they 426 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: use the engines, but did they also use the suspect 427 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: technology that the engine control technology that had this so 428 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: called defeat device basically a bunch of software code embedded 429 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: in it. We don't know that yet, but we UH 430 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: and suspect that UH that some of the VW products 431 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: are some of the VW engines used in crisis products 432 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: will come under investigation. Paul, you're closer to this than 433 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: I your your gut call, just an opinion. Do you 434 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: think when Volkswagen did this they knew the mistake they 435 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: were making or was this? Was this just uh an 436 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: honest mistake? There was an honest mistake. Now, there's no 437 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: question that they knew what they were doing and they 438 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: intentionally looked to game the system. This isn't like some 439 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: sort of code that just accidentally just happens under certain 440 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: conditions to make the initiative the emission system work correctly, 441 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: and all the rest of the time it just happens 442 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: to not work right. No, this was UH and it 443 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: was not only intentional, but it wasn't the case of 444 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: a few bad apples. Again, back to Mike Jackson over 445 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: at Automation, who has worked inside automakers. Remember he ran 446 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Mercedes here in North America for a while and he 447 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: was very active in the Mercedes network globally, so he 448 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: knows what goes on in these companies, and as Mike said, 449 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: this was a systemic problem. Uh, clearly a problem that lad. 450 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: If it didn't lead all the way to former CEO 451 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: Winter Corn, it came most close a couple of years ago. 452 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: I'll go back. I think it was about four and 453 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: a half years and ago you and I first spoke, 454 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: and the article we were talking about at the time 455 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: was Volkswagen's quest to become the number one auto manufacturer 456 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: in the world. I never forgot this. And you said 457 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: to me, Ron, they're gonna have a rough road because 458 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, there's a bump in the road. 459 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: And I don't think you're referring to this, because I 460 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: don't think you had any inkling that this was going 461 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: to be it. But this is about as big a 462 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: bump in the road as you can get, isn't it. Oh, 463 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: this is sort of like a sixty pothole that can 464 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: swallow up just about anything that manufacturer produces, even its 465 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: heavy duty trucks. That's uh, yeah, I forgot about that comment. 466 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: But you're right, this is a company that may may 467 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: totally be derailed by this. Look at just the potential 468 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: cost that they're going to face. Can we even measure 469 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: that yet? I mean, do we have a way to 470 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: you know? I mean we can probably measure it to 471 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: the company, but then to the individual dealers, to the 472 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: text they might have to lay off, to the people, 473 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: to the guy at the sandwich shop that doesn't have 474 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: the dealership to sell lunch to anymore, to the snap 475 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: on truck driver, to the that's an interesting point. Now 476 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: we'll we'll skip the add ons for a moment. We'll 477 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: get back to that. But if you look at what 478 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: VW has done, they have four two thousand vehicles that 479 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: violated the Clean Air Act intentionally. Uh, this is one 480 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: thing when you screw up and you know, you make 481 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: a mistake. This was an intentional dodge, and they tried 482 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: to deny it almost to the very last second when 483 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: the E t A announced that they had, you know, 484 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: that they had this problem on the eighteenth of this month, 485 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: so they could be subject to thirties seven thousand, five 486 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: hundred dollars curved vehicles sold. Save you the math, that's 487 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: about eighteen billion dollars. Okay. Now let's add the fact 488 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: that as far as I know, they are already at 489 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: least four class action suits on behalf of consumers. They 490 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: may sue forward any number of reasons, including the lost 491 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: value of these vehicles, which certainly would go on the market. 492 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: And we need to talk about this. What are consumers do? 493 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: But we'll go on the market if you were selling 494 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: them now for less than what they would have gotten 495 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Uh. Then we have the Justice Department 496 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: which is launching a criminal investigation. Do I expect them 497 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 1: to come back with fines? Apps? Soluly have anywhere we 498 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: can we can make money. Uh, you know, and and 499 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, stand up and bang the druma about look 500 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: at all the good we're doing. Hey, Paul, tell you well, 501 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: let me pull over and take a pause. I don't 502 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: want to let this go. It's too good. You stay 503 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: right where you are moning in the car doctor will 504 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: be back right after this. M welcome back, ran a 505 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: name in the car doctor here this hour with Paul 506 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: Eies and Studder at the Detroit Bureau dot Com. Paul, 507 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: you're still there, sir am. We were having such a 508 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: wonderful chat and it's just there's just so much here. Uh. 509 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: And the conversation was all about Volkswagen and their current 510 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: goings on and you were gonna talk a little bit 511 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: about them, the cost ramifications, and then we're gonna talk 512 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about the add ons. You want to 513 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: continue where you left off, Yeah, we'll just let's let's 514 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: let's cut that shorge. The bottom line, you've got e 515 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: p A finds, you've got the Justice Department, which will 516 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: probably bring a criminal charge as some sort of criminal 517 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: investigation down. I wouldn't be surprised in this case, unlike 518 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: some of the other recent ones where they even bring 519 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: criminal charges against individuals, because you have people that actively 520 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: try to deceive the government. I mean, that's unusual when 521 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: it goes that far, and that late in the game 522 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: where they just plane lied to the faces of investigators 523 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: from the e p A. Do you think do you 524 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: think the days of Volkswagon being the number one automaker 525 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: are done for a while? If if not for a 526 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: very good shot that they're going to have a problem 527 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, they they they'll probably slip behind Toyota again. 528 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: And and by the way, another reason is they're so 529 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: dependent on China, which is slipping as well. Bottom line, 530 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: you'll have lawsuits, you'll have regulators taking action against over them, overseas, 531 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: you'll left consumers this this class action and moving in 532 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: uh the W's direction from from Italy, I mean South 533 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Korean regulators are investigat this thing. I expect they are 534 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: going to be nailed so fast and hard in so 535 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: many angles that they're not going to know what to do. 536 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: And frankly, they're in a position right now that for 537 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: them to try to fight it. Remember how they try 538 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: to resist three decades ago, the unintended acceleration problem years 539 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: ago involving AUTI, and while they were ultimately proved right, 540 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: their image as not caring about consumers almost destroyed out 541 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: he Certainly here in the United States they still aren't 542 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: up to the competition in terms of raw of value. 543 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: So VW is in a position where they're probably gonna 544 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: have to spend money beyond what they normally would if 545 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: they lower it up, But because they can't afford to 546 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: have consumers believe, they'd rather continue to cover up. I 547 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: think part of Volkswagen's problem too now is and unfortunately 548 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: the owners will feel the brunt of it is how 549 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: are they going to correct this emissions defect, which is 550 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: the way the software runs the car, run the engine 551 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: and give the owners the same performance and fuel economy, 552 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: because if they could have done that in the first place, 553 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have this problem. So the owner after the 554 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: record right now, well, you know, conceivably they're smarter than 555 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: they have better code, they can do it, but realistically 556 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: they can't. I mean, it didn't mean to cut you off. 557 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: You're right, And so here's the question. They have to 558 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: meet emission standards or those vehicles have to come off 559 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: the road. If they come off the road, they have 560 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: to buy them back. Uh. Alternatively, they have to sacrifice 561 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: either mileage or performance. And if they sacrifice either of them, 562 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: they either have to buy the vehicles back or face 563 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: incredible problems with the owners. Most likely they're going to 564 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: have to settle some of these class action suits for 565 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: billions of dollars and give owners a lot of money 566 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: for the fact that they didn't receive what they thought 567 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: they bought. YEP. And I think it's it's a it's 568 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: a huge problem. It is the tip of the iceberg. 569 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: It's going to be very interesting going forward. We're gonna 570 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: be hearing about this story for years to come. Hey, 571 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: real quick, before before I let you go, Um, what 572 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: are your thoughts. What do you get from the other 573 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: car manufacturers. Are they wringing their hands in glee or 574 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: do they feel Volkswagen's pain? What do you think? Well, 575 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I think Mary Barrow over Jim is probably glad not 576 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: to still be in the headlines, as she was only 577 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago when GM paid nine million dollars 578 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: in fines to the Justice Department over the conceiling for 579 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: ten years their ignition switch problem. So bar is probably 580 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: happy about that. But here's the thing between that case, 581 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: Toyota's case, uh, the Hyundai Kia lying about their fuel 582 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: economy numbers a few years going on and on, you're 583 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: going to see the FEDS have to crack down. It 584 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: used to be that automakers could self certify, they'd run 585 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: their own tests, give the numbers to the p A 586 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: and NITZA, who would probably number crunch those things and say, yeah, 587 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: the numbers add up. But I think going forward you're 588 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: going to see pressure on the government to force the 589 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: automakers to either have the government run those tests or 590 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: to pay for independent third party organizations to run test 591 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: that they the government can trust to not be paid off. Yeah, 592 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna come down to tow the line and 593 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: so for the consequences. Paul Eisenstein, the Detroit Bureau Detroit 594 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: Peau dot com. Always a pleasure, sir. You enjoy the 595 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: rest of your weekend. Thanks for thanks for taking the time. 596 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You take good care. I'm not on 597 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: any of the car. Doctor. We are back right after this. Yeah, 598 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: what this car is? Onto man, it's systematic, it's hard, dramatic. 599 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: What's rereaze lightning? Welcome back of the car? Do you know? 600 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: The takeaway from the Paul Eisenstein and v W conversation 601 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: has to be and here's what I want you to 602 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: think about and be aware of in the coming years, 603 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: because it's gonna be a long time until we hear 604 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: the end of this. Has to be that those people 605 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: that own diesel volkswagons with this problem are not gonna 606 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: have either the same performance or fuel economy and it's 607 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: gonna be a real issue for him. So we'll see 608 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: where this goes. Let's get over and take one more. 609 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: Let's go talk to Paul sr. He is our tech 610 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: over at Ford out in Minnesota. Has been a long 611 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: time listener and uh he's calling it today. Paul, how 612 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: are you today? What's going on? Oh? Excellent, sir. I 613 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: fault myself for not getting back to a number of 614 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: probably three months ago. I was playing talking about our 615 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: brand new at that time of four f one fifty 616 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: that would just die randomly with multiple network code. Sure 617 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, yeah, okay, finally figured it out 618 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: and yeah again fold spindle and mutilate the harness and 619 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: found again, like you were talking on that your beetle earlier, 620 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: they have the the fuse box main fuse box right 621 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: on top of the radiator. Okay, caught that just by 622 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: accent because I was being becoming very frustrated. Just happened 623 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: to push on the harness as it was idling in 624 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: my stall. It died. I'm like, okay, okay, anyway, long 625 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: story short. PCM relay contacts truck there. They're giant pinball machines, 626 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: aren't they? Oh? Yeah they Hey, Paul, I got less 627 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: than a minute? Was your second part of the question. 628 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: Real quick? Okay, quick one there too. Talking about the 629 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: Volkswagen diesel issue. Uh, just something to throw into the mix, 630 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: which talking to our other diesel texts on our Ford 631 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: Diesel board. It's interesting that Europe has a very high 632 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: Sea team rating on their field versus us that may 633 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: have a player in there that's interesting too. That's something 634 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: to consider, Paul, always good to hear from you. Give 635 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: us a call again. Next time we'll have a little 636 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: bit more time. And until the next time, I'm Rondanini 637 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: in the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, 638 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you.