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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff Podcast

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Speaker 2: About the Stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy.

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Speaker 2: And with me today as my guest is the host

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Speaker 2: of every podcast, the Queen of Tube shaped Food, Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I couldn't ask for a better introduction. It makes

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Speaker 4: me sound so busy.

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Speaker 1: And and you're you're executive producing a new show as well,

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Speaker 1: aren't you, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm trying to do an impression of Sophie uh

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Speaker 4: and producing weeden hous that just launched on iHeart as well.

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Speaker 3: It existed before, but now it's relaunching on iHeart. You

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Speaker 3: should check it out. Well what's it about? Well it is,

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Speaker 3: thank you for asking.

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Speaker 4: Bye it Weedian House is a show that was originally

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Speaker 4: created and is still written and hosted by Theo Henderson

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Speaker 4: for Really Unhoused Person in La. He began the show

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Speaker 4: back in twenty nineteen as a way to show the

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Speaker 4: issues that unhouse people in LA face from the perspective

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Speaker 4: of unhoused people, and took a year off and is

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Speaker 4: now relaunching the show with iHeart. So our first episode

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Speaker 4: is out now and covers Theo's experience being Unhoused, as

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Speaker 4: well as just sort of talking about the show and

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Speaker 4: interviewing someone who is a part of the reclaiming house

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Speaker 4: initiatives in LA where unhoused people or low income people

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Speaker 4: are reclaiming empty units in buildings that the city is

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Speaker 4: just leaving empty for no reason. And then we have

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Speaker 4: a new episode coming up that is all about the

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Speaker 4: Unhoused Day of Remembrance that happens towards the end of

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Speaker 4: the year where people who passed who are unhoused and

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Speaker 4: haven't gotten a proper memorial are given that memorial within

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Speaker 4: their communities. So that's the show. It's been really really

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Speaker 4: fun to work on. And THEO is the best.

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Speaker 2: I suspect that if you like this podcast, you will

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Speaker 2: like that podcast.

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Speaker 3: Can almost guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And if you don't, you should feel guilty about.

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Speaker 4: You should really ask yourself why? Yeah, And is it

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Speaker 4: that you don't like me specifically? It might be that

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Speaker 4: you don't like you won't hear my voice on Meet

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Speaker 4: the House, so it's.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh okay, Well maybe I'll listen to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, check it out. That's really funny.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Sophie Licktman is our producer that's me. That's me.

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Speaker 1: I am the producer, the only producer except that one.

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Speaker 1: Except that one time that Jamie takes my face.

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Speaker 4: That one happens from time to time. But we don't

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Speaker 4: talk about it.

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Speaker 2: No, like in I'm okay wait, I'm obsessed with the

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Speaker 2: BBC version of Dracula that came out in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: That's on that point. Yes, Yeah, we've talked about this.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Did we talk about it on the on air before

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Speaker 2: we talk with this?

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Speaker 3: Damn it? Say more, say more, No, don't back down.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some there's some face wearing in that and

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Speaker 2: I rewatched. I rewatched it already. I I'm so into it.

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Speaker 2: It is like written for me. It was like anyway whatever, okay, okay. Also,

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Speaker 2: our audio engineers Ian Hi Ian Hi Ian Yan. Our

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Speaker 2: theme music was written for us by un woman Jamie.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of a place called Florida?

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Speaker 4: Yes with yes, and I guess I'll just leave it

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Speaker 4: at that. Yes, And I've spent some time there myself.

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Speaker 2: I never thought I'd be doing an episode about Florida history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If people want to hear church, yeah, yeah, it's just

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Speaker 4: a little bit of my experience with Florida.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna talk about some more Florida history today.

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Speaker 2: I never really expected that I would be doing any

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Speaker 2: Florida history. No offense to some offense to the state

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Speaker 2: of Florida. But don't worry. This story is set during

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Speaker 2: the most riveting time period in American history, the time

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Speaker 2: we all know and care so much about the war

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Speaker 3: Oh, that is very Florida coded for.

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Speaker 2: It is a Florida coated war. I see, you know

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Speaker 2: more about the War of eighteen twelve than I did.

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Speaker 3: Oh, only because of Ghost Church.

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Speaker 4: That was for I ended up learning one thousand times

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Speaker 4: more because I think the only thing I do about

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Speaker 4: the War of eighteen twelve is that it had most

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Speaker 4: certainly happened and when that was it.

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Speaker 3: That is one of its main features.

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Speaker 3: It also the drama. It also went on after it ended. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: didn't it keep going until like fourteen fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they like some way. Well, part of the problem,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about it later. But part of the problem

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Speaker 2: is that they they signed the Treaty of Ghent to

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Speaker 2: settle it. But this was decades before the Transcontinental Telegraph.

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Speaker 2: Oh so they kept fighting for months before word came

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Speaker 4: Brutal, brutal okay, very war again, very War of eighteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is not a story. Don't worry, dear listeners,

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Speaker 2: not a story about the War of eighteen twelve. Think

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Speaker 2: of that as that as like the backdrop, like you're

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Speaker 2: watching a period piece the romance.

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Speaker 1: My working title for this for our dropbox fold is

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Speaker 1: behind the War.

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Speaker 3: Of eighteen twelve because I'm trash.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I can't imagine that the War of eighteen

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Speaker 2: I know, absolutely not. Although there are some surprise good

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Speaker 2: guys in this story. I don't want to spoil it,

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Speaker 2: probably goes like Rhodesians and Nazis are number one and

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Speaker 2: then America or whatever. Okay, it's like the third or

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, you're not that far off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this week's story is like a lot of our stories.

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Speaker 2: The big basic gist of it is, like every beautiful

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Speaker 2: moment in history ever, a group of people found community

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Speaker 2: and solidarity amidst the horror movie that is most of history.

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Speaker 2: They set about to live their lives and were eventually

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Speaker 2: destroyed by this or that empire. It's a story worth

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Speaker 2: hearing again and again because all of our lives eventually end,

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Speaker 2: and some of our lives have these great, beautiful moments

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Speaker 2: of freedom. And that's accidentally the cool people formula. This

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Speaker 2: is the story of a place called negro Fort. You

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Speaker 3: I have not.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't either. Besides when I first heard about the

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do this.

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Speaker 3: Story, and day is now.

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Speaker 2: This story is a funny mess of identities. It is

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Speaker 2: mostly about black ex slaves, some born in the US,

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Speaker 2: some born in Africa, some born in Spanish colony, living

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Speaker 2: in a Spanish colony. While wrapping the British flag and

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Speaker 2: the red coat. That's our surprise. Oh, the hero of

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Speaker 2: the story is the British Empire.

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Speaker 4: We wow, that is number three, isn't it. That even

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Speaker 4: comes before American president. Wow, that's that's a that's a

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Speaker 4: difficult chaf I'm in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, don't worry. An American president before he's president

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I feel.

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Speaker 2: My my favorite folk punk band used to be named

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Speaker 2: after the bad guy president.

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Speaker 1: As I said to you before, when you told me

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Speaker 1: I thought the only good British person was James Stout

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Honorey mentioned Jake Hanrahan.

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Speaker 2: What is this so very exciting here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, James Madison. No, I was like, that's not a bed.

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Speaker 2: There's a band called AJJ that used to be called

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Speaker 2: Andrew Jackson jeehat and then they were like, oh, that's

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Speaker 3: It sure is.

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Speaker 4: And that's also the name of an undert well depending

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Speaker 4: on an underrated Broadway musical, Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen this, but I mean it has a

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Speaker 2: better at least it knows that this man is.

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Speaker 3: Bad better than AJJ. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll talk about all that later. So this

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Speaker 2: story is also the story of a pattern we're going

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Speaker 2: and again, just one hundred years earlier than usual, because

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Speaker 2: it is in its own best interests to go blow

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Speaker 3: M Okay, it sounds like them. Yeah, it's just the

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, nothing's gonna Basically, we came out the gate.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even fifty years after we became like thirty

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Speaker 4: and I'm looking at my flag. Just I forgot it

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Speaker 3: Well, don't worry.

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Speaker 2: This is also a story that lets me do my

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Speaker 2: But because in order to talk about the War of

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Speaker 2: A lot of the propaganda we hear growing up in

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Speaker 2: One of the huge reasons for the War of Independence

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Speaker 2: want to let them, so they throw a fit aka war.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 4: You can refer to every war as a little fit

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Speaker 2: Civil War. One of the many reasons of the self

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Speaker 2: top of, right, okay, because you can always have slaver

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: And when most of the people in your country aren'try

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Speaker 4: It was a series of that I was not aware of,

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Speaker 2: The brit split it into two colonies. You've got West Florida,

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Speaker 3: And love and love and love before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost feel bad, like I feel like everyone

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Speaker 3: But people live there, like people marginalized people live there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly, and like even the like the famous

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and see, I would be very proud of that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, we're not dead. No.

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Speaker 2: So it's now a British colony, and Britain is like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot of I mean, I guess, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they come right, the first Seminole Wars like

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Speaker 2: cool and interesting. Well, specifically the you know, the way

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Speaker 2: next on our context list for today's story? Slavery. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard, I've I've heard about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or slave owners. Whatever I think owns people is

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Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, they were like, we gotta kick every

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, new type of slavery just dropped.

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Speaker 4: That's like a galaxy brain racist. That's okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: But it's like it's instead of it being like a two,

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Speaker 3: What's clear is.

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Speaker 4: That no one is right and or anywhere close. God

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And like George Washington and shit was one,

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Speaker 2: like not the best, but really, I mean, obviously white people.

442
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Speaker 3: And black people can put it together.

443
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: So the Articles of Confederation, because we were confederacy for

444
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: a while before we became a republic, didn't make any

445
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: rules about slavery.

446
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 3: That was up to the states.

447
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: Overall, slavery was starting to go out of style in

448
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 2: the entire Western world. The Northern States started voting for

449
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: abolition really early on. Pennsylvania didn't even wait till the

450
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: war with England was over. They passed gradual abolition where

451
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: all children were born free, no more enslave people could

452
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Speaker 2: be trafficked into the state. And a lot of the

453
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: northern abolitionists's like, not all of them were the type

454
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Speaker 2: of white supremacist I was just talking about, but like

455
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: that was among the reasons why people would argue for

456
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Speaker 2: either at whatever, it's all.

457
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Speaker 4: Messy, okay, okay, yeah, I mean it's there's always tricky

458
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: you're talking about northern abolitionists, because they feel like it

459
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: just ends up like painting them with a very broad

460
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: brush of like the good guys, when it's like there

461
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: were so many absurd shades of gray, and then even

462
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: if they were working in the right direction.

463
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: It was often not for the right reason.

464
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I'll just yeah, shit, absolutely, for every

465
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: John Brown, you have all the people's names I don't

466
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: remember because they're bad people.

467
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Speaker 3: That's another show. Yeah, it's a good people's show.

468
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The South, of course, was famously very into slavery.

469
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Speaker 2: Even during the Confederation, Congress passed the Northwest Ordinance, which

470
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Speaker 2: was like, no slavery north and west of the Ohio River.

471
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Speaker 2: The Northwest Territories does not mean what we would call northwest.

472
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: It's like Ohio and fucking up into Minnesota and shit.

473
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Speaker 2: And by the time people were writing the Constitution, most

474
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Speaker 2: people wanted to end the transatlantic slave trade. So there

475
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: was this like deal in the Constitution where it was like,

476
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Speaker 2: all right, well, we're not gonna do it for twenty

477
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: years at least, And it was basically all the northern

478
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: states were like, fuck, if we don't like, if we

479
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: don't allow for some slavery, the South isn't going to

480
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: join the Union because that tension was there since the

481
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: very founding of the United States. The Constitution itself was

482
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: going to mention slavery openly, but then it didn't because,

483
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: as slave owner James Madison put it, it was wrong

484
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: to quote admit in the Constitution that there could be

485
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Speaker 2: property in men. Basically, they are They all knew that.

486
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: They were hypocrites who were like gonna burn in hell

487
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: for all eternity because they preached about all men being

488
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: created equal and the enslaving people. They all fucking knew it,

489
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: and they all still fucking did it.

490
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Speaker 4: I hate, And yet we have a million boring ass

491
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 4: movies and plays about how how right they were to

492
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 4: say what they said.

493
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: And you never see the note session.

494
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Speaker 4: Where James Madison is like, now hold on, yeah, fellas, Yeah,

495
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: I just noticed there's a bit of a chafe in

496
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 4: one of these.

497
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of these, and so it's just a lie biomission. God.

498
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Constitution authorized the federal government to suppress

499
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: slave insurrections, and it also said that free states couldn't

500
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: free runaways. These were like the concessions that they were making. Right,

501
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: the government wasn't allowed to ban the transatlantic slave trade

502
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: for at least twenty years. The Constitution was bad enough

503
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: that seventy years later, in eighteen fifty four, the abolitionist

504
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: William Lloyd Garrison burned a copy of the Constitution and

505
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: called it quote a covenant with death and an agreement

506
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: with hell woo. And I really just threw that in

507
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: because I had a fucking sick line.

508
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really metal, He's Yeah.

509
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: The na as pro slavery founding fathers were the white supremacists.

510
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: They wanted the white Republic, and then they of course

511
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: wanted to take all the land from the indigenous people.

512
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: And whatever the reason I'm bringing all this shit up,

513
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: Partly it's because I enjoy talking shit on the founding

514
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: of the United States, but also because it's important to

515
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: understand that slavery was already a divisive issue right from

516
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: the start of this country. During the end of the

517
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: eighteenth century, slavery in the Western world was on a decline,

518
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: the US South was fucking obsessed with buying and selling people,

519
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: and they were kind of an outlier, and this, of

520
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: course had disastrous consequences for everyone. The South's obsession with

521
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: the expansion of slavery, the peculiar institution, including this had

522
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: very negative influences on the heroes of this week's story. So,

523
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: while slavery is starting to become a little bit less popular,

524
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: over all, the Southern plantation slave society is growing and

525
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: they're getting like more and more like, no, this is

526
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: who we fucking are, right, It is like, we're so cool.

527
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: The Louisiana purchase of eighteen oh three, when the which

528
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: is what's kind of in the name in the air

529
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: eighteen o three, the United States purchased Louisiana. Yeah, it

530
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: opened up a ton of land into the court of

531
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: King Cotton as it was called at the time. And

532
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: so they were like, man, we're not allowed to do

533
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: this up north. Where else can we go? And then

534
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, hey, Florida, what's up? Can we

535
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: can we show up there and be more of an

536
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: evil empire?

537
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Florida.

538
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: Even like within the world of the South feels like

539
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: for hundreds of years has been its own thing in

540
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: terms of conversation, Like, it's obviously very much a part

541
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: of the South, but when you think of the South Florida,

542
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: it's still at least to be feels like its own

543
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: thing and has always been treated that way.

544
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 2: And this like I finally understand why after learning more

545
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: about the history of Florida, you know, because the rest

546
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: of the South was like, we're the South for like

547
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: fucking hundreds of years, right, and then Florida was like,

548
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: there's a couple swamps here, some traders.

549
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: Right, and then like the the you know, industrial developed

550
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: sense didn't develop an identity until far later than like

551
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: most places did. And so it's just and that's why

552
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: it was like a sitting duck for you know, Mickey

553
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: Mouse to like he.

554
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: Raw fuck it that yep, I guess I stand by

555
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: that sentence. Why not? What could go wrong?

556
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: The weird timeline we're in is where Disney and fucking

557
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: what's that asshole's name Disantas are like at each other.

558
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, and you're just like, I don't, huh,

559
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: I've played.

560
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Enough risk that I know that what happens here is

561
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: you encourage both of them and then you stand back

562
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: and wait.

563
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, just wait for bob Iger and DeSantis to get

564
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: into a slap fight.

565
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

566
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: Interesting.

567
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: For so long, my friend told me this, and then

568
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: I realized a long time later that it was not

569
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: It was obviously not true, but that bob Iger's name

570
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: was said like Bonie Bear because it looks the same,

571
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: so I thought it was Bobie Gear for a while.

572
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: It's not.

573
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: Wait, I can't even I don't know how to spell

574
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: any of these people's names.

575
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: It's fine, we could keep moving. Okay. I'm terribly sorry

576
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: Sophie's doing that. Margaret didn't get a reference space.

577
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it, and part of our audience will

578
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: think it's really funny.

579
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: But you don't need to comfort me. It's okay. It

580
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: didn't work. It didn't work.

581
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I liked it.

582
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: You're doing great, sweetie. All right, just keep telling me

583
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: the story, all right.

584
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: So Spanish Florida is like, fuck, we really don't want

585
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: to become the States because some of the people who

586
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: lived in that area include indigenous people who weren't a

587
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: big fan of the US's whole genocide the Indigenous People policy,

588
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: Creole people who were generally free, Catholic descendants of Spanish

589
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: and black parentage who weren't excited about a strict racial

590
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: caste system showing up and all of a sudden, you know,

591
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: being at the bottom of it. And British loyalists who

592
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: were you know, branded as traders, so they weren't really stoked.

593
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: They weren't like, oh, man, the US to come on down.

594
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: The southern slave owners, though, were like, you know, rubbing

595
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: their hands together and salivating at all the potential plantation land.

596
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: Sounds like them.

597
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: Spanish Florida was still a slave society, but it was

598
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: one where enslave people had a lot more rights. Like like,

599
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: it's so hard to explain because often slavery apologists will

600
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: be like, oh, everywhere had slavery. It's like that's true and.

601
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 3: Also not a good excuse. I know, I know, right,

602
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: but us chattel slavery was worse.

603
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: It was its own fucked up thing that everyone was like, yeah,

604
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of fucked up.

605
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: Can we keep get away with us, you know, and

606
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: eventually can we write this down that we're doing this?

607
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yeah. Yeah.

608
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: So Spanish I mean like like fuck slave societies absolutely

609
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: in Spanish Florida, in slave people had basic property and

610
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: marriage rights, and they could buy themselves out of slavery.

611
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: So a lot of people ran the fuck away from

612
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: the evil empire of the United States into the Spanish

613
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: territories all the time and like to have a chance

614
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: at a better life. And you wind up with a

615
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: lot of maroon societies, which are in this case it's

616
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: both black people integrated into seminal society, but also independent

617
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: maroon societies. And if you really want to get into

618
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: and I barely do, but I feel like it'd be

619
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: lied by a mission to not mention this, if you

620
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: really want to get into the blurriness of the gradiation

621
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: of slavery. The seminole society was also a slave society,

622
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: but it was different even than the Spanish slave society.

623
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: By and large, Seminole slavery was closer to serfdom. People

624
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: lived their lives and then gave some percentage of their

625
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: crops to their owners.

626
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: It is real messy.

627
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: Both the indigenous seminoles and the black seminoles believed that

628
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: they had to work together to destroy the US in

629
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: order to destroy slavery and colonization all in one go.

630
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: And basically we're like, oh, we're going to get rid

631
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: of slavery once we destroy the United States. That is.

632
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: I want to do so much more reading about the

633
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: seminole and all that, but that is the gist of

634
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: what I've read.

635
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 4: I only got the tip of the iceberg. And it's

636
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: fascinating and like you're speaking to your point, messy as hell.

637
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have a lot of times where indigenous

638
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: seminoles and black seminoles will fight alongside one another and

639
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: defend each other, and like, you know, it is a

640
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: a thing whatever, moral relativism whatever.

641
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: Okay, more more an hour and moral relativism go, and

642
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: that's it. That's the end of the show. Did So.

643
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: Maroon societies Marone societies are this very common phenomenon across

644
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: the New World of different society. I had not heard

645
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: of marine society, so I was a grown ass adult.

646
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: I'm curious if you had.

647
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 4: I had not know.

648
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: So there's this very.

649
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: Common phenomenon across the New World of different societies where

650
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: people escaping slavery end up setting up their own resistance societies.

651
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: Like all over the fucking place, there's ones that lasted

652
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: hundreds of years, you know, you have, Yeah, Like we've

653
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: covered a couple of them. They'll be called different things

654
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: in different languages. Colombo is another word for this style

655
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: of society, and in English it usually gets called maroon society.

656
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: The most famous one of the United States that I

657
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: really want to cover at some point, that we touched

658
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 2: on in our one of our episodes A long ass

659
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: time ago, was the Great Dismal Swamp in northeast North Carolina,

660
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: where like a ton of people lived for hundreds of

661
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: years resisting colonization, and maroon societies were often they were

662
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: like mostly black and runaway enslaved folks, but there was

663
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: also like poor white people often would end up in

664
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: them because they were like, well, fuck the society I'm from.

665
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: That one gets played up a little bit by like

666
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: white radicals like me, you get really excited about that part.

667
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: And then also indigenous folks who were like putting in

668
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: their lot together, right Yeah. And then there was like

669
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: huge one that we covered in an episode we did

670
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: about Brazil. We're going to cover more of them. I

671
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: fucking they're amazing, and I just didn't know about it.

672
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: I was just like, Oh, people who were enslaved, it

673
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: sucked and they had no options except to goes or

674
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: the white people in the.

675
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: North right, right, right, which is like, I mean, whatever,

676
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: the story we learned a bajillion times about, like, well,

677
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 4: what is the advantage of teaching get that way?

678
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: It's obvious? Yeah, totally. Yeah.

679
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: So today we're going to talk about a maroon society,

680
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: a really particular one, not a very long lived one,

681
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: but the largest one inside what.

682
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: Is now the United States spoilers in Florida. You probably

683
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: figured that part out.

684
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: And in order to talk about it, we're gonna talk

685
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: about the War of eighteen twelve. But before we talk

686
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: about the War of eighteen twelve, we're going to talk

687
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: about one hundred and twelve, one hundred eighty one thousand,

688
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: eight hundred and twelve things that you can buy for

689
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: me for Christmas. Because all of these ads I want you,

690
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: the listener to buy for me for Christmas.

691
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: I've got my feet steeped in the last thing we advertise,

692
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: and I just know that the next one is going

693
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: to be delicious. Mmm mmmm, I hope it's a car.

694
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

695
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 2: I love when I get ads about how you should

696
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: buy new cars all the time and new phones.

697
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: If you don't have a new phone every year, then

698
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: you're a piece of shit. I hope it's not a.

699
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Car, because, as we've establish, it's under your desk right now.

700
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: And if that's under your desk right now, I'm really concerned.

701
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: It's only my desk, and I'm gonna eat it.

702
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, concern continues.

703
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: Here's the ads, and we're back. The War of eighteen

704
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: twelve is also known as the War. I probably took

705
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: a test on in eighth grade, but I don't remember

706
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: anything except that the Brits burned down Washington. Or if

707
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: you live in Maryland, you might know it as the

708
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: reason we have really shitty license plates. Ooh yeah, we

709
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: didn't used to have American flags in our license plates,

710
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: but then at some point people were like War of

711
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: eighteen twelve, and then we had really an annoying.

712
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: Where's the War of eighteen twelve?

713
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: Hive came to the license plate specifically, but interesting to

714
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: know I've seen.

715
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, my family member lives in Maryland and I never

716
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: understood it. Yeah. Maryland also is the really nice ones

717
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: that like save the Bay. One has like a heron

718
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: on it, but there's that northern well of a state bird,

719
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 3: love a state bird on a license plate.

720
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: More of that.

721
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: Well, Maryland's mostly I think I've already told people I'm

722
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: from Maryland, mostly famous for having crabs on your driver's license.

723
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: Mhm, I mean like.

724
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: You cornered the market on crab culture. I found out

725
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: recently that my my kitten was I adopted him, and

726
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: they gave me like the cross streets of where he'd

727
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: been found, and he was found slash born in front

728
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: of a chain restaurant called Oh My Crab, Like, oh

729
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: my God, but crab for some reason, Oh.

730
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: That actually really fits and I really, yeah, it resonated

731
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: with me.

732
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm look, I feel like he's got oh my crab,

733
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: you know, energy, he carried it with him.

734
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: He does, he does. I love that for him, my crab.

735
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: I'm me to try to get that into my daily language.

736
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: You should just actually, every time that the word God

737
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: is in something, you should replace it with crab.

738
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

739
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: I need to stop taking the name of God in vain.

740
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: So crab, damn tamed, annoyed. That's really like grandma. That's

741
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: some grandma shit.

742
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: These crabless heathens, all right. The War of eighteen twelve,

743
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: the short version, the US got real mad at Britain,

744
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: so they declared war in eighteen twelve. Yeah, why they

745
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: were mad is something that's fun to argue about. There's

746
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: two main perspectives, the main American perspect and the one

747
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: that actually probably is a little bit. It's like the

748
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: main one that you hear about, and it's a little bit.

749
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: The more one. Probably it was about American honor because

750
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: Britain kept fucking with American ships and they were restricting trade,

751
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: and they were pressed ganging American soldier American sailors into

752
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: being in the British navy, which, to be fair, is

753
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: reason enough to go to war. Stealing people and forcing

754
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: them to do labor is always reason enough to go

755
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: to war against anyone who would do such a thing.

756
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: That's my subtle anyway. So the other reason is that

757
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Britain was making it really hard for Americans to steep,

758
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: keep stealing land from indigenous groups. And also the Americans

759
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: wanted to steal Canada.

760
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: Uh huh. Specifically, the US was trying to hard to

761
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: balance the slave and free states as it expanded, and

762
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 3: the South had just got in Louisiana, so the North,

763
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: it's only fair the North should get to steal, they

764
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: should get distook it.

765
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: And I understand that this was a legitimate plan but

766
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: it just does sound like when Grew from Despicable Me

767
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 4: describes wanting to steal the moon.

768
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, sure, you're gonna steal Canada. Best of luck.

769
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 2: Yeah No, it's like, why would you take your own hat?

770
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 3: It makes no sense exactly.

771
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll like this part. One of the reasons the

772
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: South was against annexing Canada is that it meant not

773
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: only would it mean more free states, but it would

774
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: mean more Catholics.

775
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: You know, I, we're always I, Margaret, I feel like

776
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: you always find a random w for Catholics.

777
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not?

778
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I can find somebod who died in tuberculosis,

779
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: or I can find some like anti papist nonsense.

780
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 3: And so you know, there's got to be a fair

781
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 3: amount of overlap on that event diagram. That's true. Yeah.

782
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: And so the British they were also doing this thing

783
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 2: that pissed off the US. They were supporting future friend

784
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: of the pod To Cumsa and his confederacy, and I

785
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: want to do more about him. At some point, he

786
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: was one of the first indigenous leaders to say let's

787
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: create one big confederation in resistance to the American Empire.

788
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: So he like he spent the year of eighteen eleven

789
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: traveling around the United States and the area west of

790
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: the United States trying to build an anti American confederation,

791
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: and one of his sick quotes when he was talking

792
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: about how to deal with the US, he demanded war now,

793
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: war always, war on the living, war on the dead.

794
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 3: Who medalist fuck? Yeah. I was like, that's another that's

795
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: like a rob zombie character. That's great.

796
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he went around. He was like, look,

797
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: if we do this, Britain in Spain will arm us

798
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: and then we can go fuck up the Americans. He

799
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: only partially succeeded because the US had been not all

800
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: indigenous groups were against the United States, right, Yeah, but

801
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: British support for his war on the US was part

802
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: of why the US went to war with Britain. So,

803
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: for whatever reasons, in eighteen twelve, the US declared war.

804
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: England was like, yeah, whatever, sure, because they were busy

805
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: dealing with a Napoleon and a war in Europe. But

806
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: then when the US invaded Canada, it was still British.

807
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: So Britain was like, fine, I guess we have a

808
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: war whatever if you really want one, Yeah, really really

809
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: teen girl about it? Yeah, absolutely stop. Yeah, they were like,

810
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: could you wait, but.

811
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: Fine, I'll sacrifice some of my own citizens and murder

812
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of others. Yeah.

813
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: Well, mostly they first just armed indigenous and black groups,

814
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: which is like both like noble and forgetting that they're

815
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: the keep forgetting that they're like not the bad guys here.

816
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but it's like right, it's still

817
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: like part of the reason that they're arming all these

818
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: people is that they don't want to fight the war.

819
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: You know.

820
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: Tocums have died in the Battle of the Thames on

821
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: October eighteen thirteen as part of the War of eighteen twelve,

822
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: and once again, like last time, Britain looked at the

823
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 2: US and was like, all right, how do we fuck

824
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: up America? Oh right, they're on a fucking powder keg.

825
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: Let's give the guns to run away slaves and to

826
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: indigenous people. And in the spring of eighteen fourteen, Napoleon

827
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: gave up the French throne and some shit that I

828
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: haven't researched enough yet that everyone who's listening knows more

829
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: about than me, and Britain was able to turn his

830
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: attention to the US war. They invaded and burned the

831
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: US capital and the White House, which wasn't called the

832
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: White House yet, it was called like the President's mansion

833
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck. And black fugitive ex slaves were

834
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: their allies in that they acted as scout spies, soldiers, sailors,

835
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: and some of them did the burning, which is cool

836
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: as fuck, yeah Britain, but fuck the US.

837
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're really presented with the real trick heutory of villains.

838
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: I'm pleased. Whatever. Yeah.

839
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: So when people fled slavery and crossed into British controlled

840
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: territory during the war, which thousands and thousands of people did,

841
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: the British helped women and children get passage to Bermuda

842
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: and to other British colonies to live free. Black men

843
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: were given a choice. They could either go with everyone else,

844
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: or they could stay and fight, and if they did,

845
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: they would be given a red coat and a musket

846
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: and they would be part of integrated military units, which

847
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: was not something that anyone else was fucking thinking about

848
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: at that point, right, And given a chance, some of

849
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: them were non integrated units, but some of them were

850
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: integrated units. We'll talk a little bit more about that, okay.

851
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: And given a chance to shoot the people who were

852
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: trying to own them. And so a lot of people

853
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, that sounds fucking great. Give me a

854
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: fucking gun. I want to go kill these slavers.

855
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: Never mind this red coat. Yeah, I have a gun.

856
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: It's the point. Yeah exactly. Yeah, but.

857
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, actually, in a weird way, the legitimacy of

858
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: the red coat meant a lot to people.

859
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 3: A lot of them.

860
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: It was like it was kind of a you can't

861
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: fuck with us. We're under the Union jack now and

862
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: like oh.

863
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, like sheltered by a larger like infrastructure.

864
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because white Americans are the most deluded people in

865
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: the history of the world. The British were like, hey,

866
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: you know what, are you mad that we stole your property.

867
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. If you approach under a flag

868
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: of truce, we will give you a chance to personally

869
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: plead your case and try to get your runaway slaves

870
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: to come back to you. So and this happened all

871
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: over the United States and people kept doing it. All

872
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 3: of these slave owners were like, well, I'm nice to Ted,

873
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: so of course Ted will come back to me. And

874
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: so they all went under a flag of truce and

875
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: they were like, come on, bud remember those good times.

876
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you will be shocked to know that

877
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: at least in a few places, a few like like

878
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: one percent of people or something or less were like fine,

879
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: fuck it. But at least in the particular case where

880
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: they did it in like Maryland, Virginia, DC area or whatever, like,

881
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: not a single person voluntarily went back to slavery, and

882
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: it no kidding that they kept trying. It is the

883
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: most indicative of how deluded people are ever.

884
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, or just likeugh, god, that's so depressing and

885
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: embarrassing and just like you because that is just like

886
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: proof positive that I don't know. It feels like almost

887
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: an answer to James Madison being like, well, guys, we

888
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: shouldn't mention it, we shouldn't codify slavery because of what

889
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: we said earlier. It's like less self awareness than that

890
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 4: of truly taking the time to delude yourself into thinking

891
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 4: you are both a slave owner and a good person. Yeah,

892
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: and that like you're such a good person as a

893
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: bad person that that oh god, no.

894
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: That's so embarrassing.

895
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: But also like, ugh, I would I would just love

896
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 4: to read the journal entry after like you won't believe.

897
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: What happened today. There's a lot of them.

898
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: The main book about Negro Force called The Battle of

899
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: Negro Force, and it's a really good book, and.

900
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: It has a lot of quotes of like.

901
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: The because a lot of the specific specifics we know

902
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: about is people later writing and being like, oh, I

903
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: went today and tried to get ted back, or or

904
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: it's Ted writing being like, oh, the guy came back

905
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: or whatever and tried to get me. I want to

906
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: watch like the reality TV show not but set then

907
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 2: like not obviously recreating the situation.

908
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

909
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: So part of the reason that Britain was so eager

910
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: to free folks in the US is their own honor.

911
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 2: Britain had always seen itself as like the bastion of liberty,

912
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: which is funny and ironic. But then after the US,

913
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: Sunday is the US. Yeah, But after the US Revolution,

914
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: the US was getting the reputation of being the bastion

915
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: of liberty, and so Britain loved pointing out that they're

916
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: a slave society and just being like, you know, who's

917
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: unfree in your territory. All of the following people u

918
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: pieces of shit. And in the South, during the War

919
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: of eighteen twelve, the ostensibly neutral. Spanish were like, you know,

920
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: we hate the US. Anyway, you can set up a

921
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: fort in our territory with which to plan an attack

922
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: on the US South. And so the British did, and

923
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: they set up the Core of Colonial Marines, which is

924
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: kind of our There's like two cool people this week.

925
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: One of them is the Core of Colonial Marines, and

926
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: one of them is the Negro Fort, which is the

927
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: people who remained.

928
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: But we'll talk about that later.

929
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: The Core of Colonial Marines was a multi racial army

930
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: of black, white, and indigenous troops. I read in one

931
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: place that it was all white officers, but then in

932
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: another source I read about at least one black guy

933
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about later, who was a lieutenant.

934
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: So I think that the top ranks were white people,

935
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: but there were black officers. And they built this big,

936
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: old fucking fort together, and they picked a site called

937
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: Prospect Bluff. At leastis was called an English and it's

938
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: at the mouth of the apalachic Cola River, which is

939
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: totally a river I had definitely heard of before, because

940
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: I am definitely a geography knowing person.

941
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: It just tripped off the top. Yeah, it's gorgeous.

942
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, no totally. I didn't like go back and make

943
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: Ian edit it where I had to say it again.

944
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, no.

945
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

946
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: And so they seized the area.

947
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: They get this army, right, and it's like and they're like,

948
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: all right, well there's this trading post here, but fuck them.

949
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: They have enslaved people anyway. So they just show up

950
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: take the area free all the people who had been

951
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: working there, and the free people who have been working there,

952
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: or the unfree people who have been working there joined

953
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: as free people to now work on the fort. And

954
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: they started building, and they built this real fuck off fort.

955
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: Eventually it started off. You know, they're expanding on it

956
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: right by the end. It's got high stone walls, it's

957
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: got a wide moat as stone buildings to store gunpowder

958
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: and shit, all surrounded by forest full of like swampy

959
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: forest full of one hundred foot tall pine trees.

960
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: Okay, this is some like infrastructure I'm familiar with, like

961
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: the vaguely medieval stuff.

962
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's people hitting people with swords in this story,

963
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 2: you know, yeah.

964
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is this is my Florida. Yeah yeah,

965
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 3: that's right, yeah.

966
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: Medieval Florida. And so they went around and they went

967
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: to all these indigenous groups and all these leaders and

968
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: were like, hey, do you want a ton of guns

969
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: and food and shit. If you're down to fight the

970
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: Americans who keep stealing all this shit from you, we

971
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: will help you fight them. Bonus points if you could

972
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: also go around and tell any enslave people, anyone who

973
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: runs away from America or Spain whose territory were in,

974
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: they're free now if they make it to us. Eventually,

975
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: three thousand Muskogee warriors donned redcoats and joined the army

976
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: against their common enemy. Others went and recruited people to

977
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: fleet slavery, and they built an army, a really cool

978
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: multi racial army. Their officer, Okay, I hate how we

979
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: know more about their officer, the white officer, than we

980
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 2: do about almost any of the other people. Right, Yeah,

981
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: this guy's really fucking cool. His name is Edward Nichols,

982
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: and he's his irishman.

983
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm already listening.

984
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

985
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: He dedicated his life to fighting slavery as well as

986
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: fighting for the rights of indigenous North Americans against the

987
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: American government.

988
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: That was like what he did with his life. He

989
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: was wild.

990
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: He was born a Protestant in Ireland, can't that, you know,

991
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: no one, no one chooses. He joined the Royal Navy

992
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: at eleven. He fought in one hundred and seven battles

993
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: in his life. He survived starting when he was eleven. Yeah, yeah, well,

994
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: I think by sixteen he's like really more doing the

995
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: war stuff. I think he's like kind of like a

996
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: ship hand or something. At the first i've it, does I.

997
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: Mean, he's got a he's got a really good like

998
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: movie protagonist name. They're like, yeah, Nichols. Oh, he's a

999
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: wild card. His lookout for Nichols. Fighting Nichols is his name.

1000
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 4: But during most of this story, of course, he's got

1001
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 4: an Irish sounding nickname, Fighting Nichols.

1002
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: That's Irish as a hell.

1003
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1004
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: During his life, he survived a broken leg, being shot

1005
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: through the torso, shot through the arm, hid in the

1006
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: head with a sword, almost killed, bayonetted through the chest,

1007
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: and lost an eye a grape shot. That one's actually

1008
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: gonna happen.

1009
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 3: During the story. God, you're you're a move recipe and that's.

1010
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: Wild all before antibiotics. He lived to be eighty five

1011
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: years old.

1012
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 4: That, oh god, that's there certainly the result of some

1013
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: sort of witchcraft and celebrate that witchcraft. That's why did

1014
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 4: it at any point? I mean, I'm not expecting you

1015
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 4: to know his like totally. At any point did he

1016
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 4: have to slow down at any point or was he

1017
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: just like.

1018
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: Fighting Nichols way, I don't know how much of this

1019
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: eighty five years he was fighting, you know, because I like,

1020
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: I like thought about it. I like ran into him

1021
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, I wonder if I'm gonna save

1022
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: him and just do him later.

1023
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know. Oh, I mean, it

1024
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 3: sounds like, you know, if we're just covering one.

1025
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: Exploit today, it sounds like you've got exploitss if he

1026
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 4: started when he was eleven.

1027
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1028
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the mccaullay culkin of being this guy and

1029
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 2: his his abolitionism comes from religious fervor sort of John

1030
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: Brown style, and his actions and the actions of everyone

1031
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: else we're going to talk about today too, are going

1032
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: to inspire John Brown, who's going to specifically reference negro Ford,

1033
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: although under a different name. After the War in America,

1034
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: Nichols moves to like the mid Atlantic or whatever. He

1035
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: starts attacking slave ships as part of the attempt to

1036
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: destroy the Transatlantic slave trade. There's a town named after

1037
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: him in the Bahamas, called Nichols Town, named by its founders,

1038
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: who were enslaved people he helped liberate.

1039
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so he's cool.

1040
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: He wasn't in charge of the British post, but he

1041
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: was in charge of the training, teaching them how to

1042
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: fire muskets and shit and leading them into battle. Less

1043
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: than a month into the training, the Americans start trying

1044
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: to invade Pensacola, and he and his troops show up

1045
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: and the Americans are like, in never mind.

1046
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: We don't want to invade Pensacola. We changed our mind.

1047
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: It's not we weren't even I don't know what you're

1048
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: talking about. We weren't going to invade.

1049
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: We were just hanging out to kill who. Yeah, oh

1050
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: that's weird.

1051
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1052
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: The fact that white, black, and indigenous soldiers led by

1053
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 2: an irishman very specifically did the newspapers complain about that part.

1054
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 2: The fact that they were all fighting alongside one another

1055
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 2: scandalized the American press. The savages are taking over, basically,

1056
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: something must be done. Nothing could be done right away

1057
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: because there was already a war. All of the getting

1058
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: done was try trying to happen, you know, right, The

1059
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: US side was also arming indigenous groups. Every war the

1060
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: US has ever gotten or got up to manage to

1061
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: turn not only different tribes and nations against each other,

1062
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: but often split them internally in kind of a brother

1063
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: versus brother way. Okay, this week's story is going to

1064
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: be no different. There's going to be Indigenous people fighting

1065
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: on both sides of this. There's this asshole slaver named

1066
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: Benjamin Hawkins who spent decades quote unquote civilizing the Muskogee,

1067
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: encouraging them to practice chattel slavery of black people, and

1068
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: paid them bounties to catch fugitive slaves. So a lot

1069
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: of these indigenous folks or US allies in the War

1070
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: of eighteen twelve, and they're promised that they can keep

1071
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: any black people they find who don't already have owners.

1072
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: Basically whenever they do any of these raids. Later many

1073
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: of them will feel betrayed and switch sides. But that's later.

1074
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: But you know what else is later, Jamie, The.

1075
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: Rest of the might have a feel it's the rest

1076
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: of the story, because because you got the super rat army,

1077
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: what are they gonna do? You can't just read a

1078
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: history book or Wikipedia or the Wikipedia won't get you

1079
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: the good stuff. Unfortunately, you have to wait till Wednesday,

1080
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: but I.

1081
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 4: Want no, I'm gonna wait two whole minutes and then

1082
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 4: we're gonna start recording the next.

1083
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And then when we're done, I'm gonna

1084
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: eat dinner.

1085
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: Mmmm.

1086
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. We love to see it. But before

1087
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: we do any of that, Jamie, what do you have

1088
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 3: to plug? I will you know? I want to plug.

1089
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 3: We the Unhoused again.

1090
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 4: We've got episodes coming out every other Tuesday. It's Yea,

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Speaker 4: hosted and written by Theo Henderson, and we have a

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Speaker 4: bunch of great episodes coming out in the new year.

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Speaker 4: We have an episode in production that is about living

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Speaker 4: out of trailers and especially a long Venice beach. We

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Speaker 4: have an episode coming out about being unhoused and queer

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Speaker 4: in LA. We've all this stuff coming out and I

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Speaker 4: would recommend you subscribe.

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Speaker 3: And then if you want to read a.

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Speaker 4: Book about hot dogs, there's one called raw Dog and

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Speaker 4: it's all my faults and you can get it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'll plug.

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Speaker 2: And that's why forever for well, eventually people will stop

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Speaker 2: only making hot dog references when they talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Won't that be nice?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that's kind of a nice

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Speaker 4: thing where you're like, well, this is this association is

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Speaker 4: going to be forever. But then you spend ten hour

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Speaker 4: I was talking about something more specific and worse.

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Speaker 2: And then it's that, Yeah, yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 3: Life's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Life is beautiful, Sophie, what do you want to plug?

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Speaker 1: I want to plug that, Jamie said, okay, if I

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Speaker 1: plug the show for next year? Yeah, yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 1: want to plug that. We we have cool Zone Media

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Speaker 1: are bringing you a weekly Loftus bring you a new show,

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Speaker 1: written and hosted, investigated and interviewed with the one and

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Speaker 1: only Jamie Loftis interviewed. I don't know if that was

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Speaker 1: a good I don't know if I did I did

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Speaker 1: it justice there.

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Speaker 6: It's true, though I'm not going to tell you what

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Speaker 6: it's about because ha ha ha, but look for it

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Speaker 6: in Mark String Coming Spring along.

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Speaker 3: With the Flowers. It's going to be a blast. I'm

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Speaker 3: so scared.

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Speaker 4: I'm so scared of aotoghy with Robert mcpii about how

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Speaker 4: to have an intense scripted weekly podcast and it's easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't say, oh God, it's going to burn

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Speaker 2: you out. I said it's amazing. You said easy, easy,

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Speaker 2: easy easy.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: But basically what I'm saying is you're fucking welcome listeners.

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Speaker 3: Look out for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited. Every Jamie Loftis podcast is a good one.

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Speaker 3: And every Jamie Loftis podcast is produced by Sophie lick

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Speaker 3: Driven even better.

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Speaker 2: If you want to hear more stories, you can listen

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Speaker 2: to on Sunday. Maybe you already do because it's in

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Speaker 2: the same podcast feed, but you can listen to cool

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Speaker 2: Zone Media book Club where and if you want all

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Speaker 2: of the ad pivots but none of the ads, subscribe

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Speaker 2: to Cooler Zone Media and we'll see you on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Bye.

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Speaker 5: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media,

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