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Speaker 1: Less than a month to go before the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Today we're breaking down the defensive backs, chat with Field

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Speaker 1: Yates and the latest Patriots news. Let's do it with

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Speaker 1: the dirty first thick the New England Patriots. What Welcome

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Speaker 1: just under a month away from the Draft. We've been

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Speaker 1: plowing through these shows. They were gonna talk a little

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Speaker 1: about the defensive backs, but first I talk a little

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Speaker 1: latest news minor bit, Pauli. Josh Dobbs released him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I saw this coming a little bit

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when they decided to re

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Speaker 2: up Tommy DeVito, gave him a two year deal sort of,

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Speaker 2: you know, let him wet his beak a little bit.

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Speaker 2: That told me that they were comfortable with him as

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Speaker 2: the backup. Now, I didn't tell you exactly that Dobbs

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Speaker 2: is definitely out, but it did tell me that they

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Speaker 2: thought enough of Tommy DeVito that he could be the

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Speaker 2: main backup. I would expect something down the road, though.

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Speaker 2: Guys in terms of a developmental guy, whether it's sometime

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Speaker 2: in Day three of the draft or sometime soon, but

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Speaker 2: you need to probably need another arm to come in.

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Speaker 1: Of course that we already did our quarterbacks episode. We

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Speaker 1: named a few of them in that any anybody want

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Speaker 1: to bring.

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Speaker 3: Back, And well, I just I think it's an interesting

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Speaker 3: conversation of are you going for like a raw ceiling

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Speaker 3: kind of guy that's got some tools, that's got some athleticism,

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Speaker 3: you know, like a guy that Hayne's king comes to mind,

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Speaker 3: that that can maybe not even just play quarterback, but

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Speaker 3: maybe do the whole Taysom Hill thing and play a

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Speaker 3: little bit of offensive weapon, let's call it receiver. Or

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Speaker 3: are you really looking for who's going to be Drake

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Speaker 3: May's backup for the next ten years? You know, and

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Speaker 3: you're trying to go that route. But either way, whether

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Speaker 3: it's having a third arm and training camp an emergency

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Speaker 3: quarterback come game day, it makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 3: to carry three quarterbacks on the roster even into the season.

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Speaker 3: So to only have two quarterbacks under contract right now,

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Speaker 3: there's definitely at least one more quarterback coming so maybe

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Speaker 3: even too as a UDFA signing as well to get

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Speaker 3: to four to go into training camp because you don't

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Speaker 3: want to You don't want to get into a preseason

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Speaker 3: game where you have to play your top two quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: you know a lot, so you're you're going to have

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Speaker 3: another at least one more guy. But I am interested

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Speaker 3: to see which way they go in the draft in

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Speaker 3: terms of are they just looking for that steady backup,

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Speaker 3: you know, not to say anything bad about this, but

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Speaker 3: a Brian Hoyer perhaps or someone like that, or are

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Speaker 3: they looking for somebody that has a little bit more ceiling,

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Speaker 3: that has some raw athleticism too them.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you develop them, maybe he turns into an asset.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I always think it's good business to draft

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks generally. It seems like they have a need for them.

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Speaker 1: One more thing, I want to talk about the guys

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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and j But just signed you know, a

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Speaker 1: huge deal, highest paid wide receiver now in the game

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Speaker 1: we saw in the Super Bowl how good. Well maybe

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Speaker 1: not specifically in the Super Bowl as much as he

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Speaker 3: Season debate, but tis.

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Speaker 1: Uh, just again, the wide receiver market were reminded yet

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Speaker 1: again that these guys are very valuable and that NFL

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Speaker 1: teams once you find one. You better hang on to him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I The dream is for the Patriots

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Speaker 4: to get a guy of that offensive side of the

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Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. The price of the brick

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Speaker 4: keeps going up, so hopefully Gonzo's next. But the dream

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Speaker 4: is to get a receiver like JSN here. I don't

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Speaker 4: know what will happen, but that's the goal.

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Speaker 3: Well, we got a lot here on tap today.

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Speaker 1: First up, Thoughtist and Chris are gonna break down maybe

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Speaker 1: some prospects worth trading up for the Patriots in the

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Speaker 1: first round. I spoke with field Gates and then we

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Speaker 1: got a nice long breakdown of all the safeties and

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks it could possibly fit the Patriots.

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Speaker 5: Check it out, Chris. We usually talk about mocks here,

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Speaker 5: Yeah we do.

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Speaker 4: But that being said, we're gonna skip on the mock

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Speaker 4: Oh all right, Like I like trade here and there,

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Speaker 4: So I rot a little sheet here. I'm just going

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Speaker 4: through a couple scenarios that might happen. So, as we

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Speaker 4: all know, the Patriots have the thirty first pick, so

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Speaker 4: there's a lot you can do with that. So scenario one,

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Speaker 5: It's there.

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Speaker 4: Trading up, right, We're at thirty one. What do you

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Speaker 4: think it would take? Like, Like, my thing is, if

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Speaker 4: you love a guy, example, Kenyan Sadik Oregan tight end,

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Speaker 4: if he's there twenty five, twenty seven, I don't think

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Speaker 4: he's gonna draft that far, but let's just say he's there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that guy's a dog.

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Speaker 7: He is, so like, what you do?

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Speaker 5: What do you do? If you're Wolf?

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Speaker 8: If I'm Elliot Wolf, I don't know if I'm trading

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Speaker 8: up in this draft, Okay, I really don't. I think

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Speaker 8: I think you either stay put try to get an

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Speaker 8: if you can trade up and maybe get like a

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Speaker 8: the ordinary that we wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Fully express, which is way up there, way up there.

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Speaker 8: I think that's the that's the difference in that in

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Speaker 8: that category. But I mean, for Sadik, he's a great,

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Speaker 8: great tight end. I think you can still hold out

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Speaker 6: I personally like the trade down thought though, get to

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Speaker 6: the trade. But I'm getting I know, I know, I know.

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Speaker 4: So one more thing with the trade up is like,

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Speaker 4: what do you think would cost, because let's let's say

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Speaker 5: I mean you're giving you're giving it up your second,

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Speaker 5: you're giving up your second.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, you're giving up your first, you're giving up your second,

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Speaker 4: A fourth or you got a few fourths icy for

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Speaker 4: next year too, But next year a lot of talent.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we're gonna see a lot of those

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Speaker 8: Right, I just I just don't think logistically it makes

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Speaker 6: I think there will still be guys available.

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Speaker 8: Kind of either where they are or if they were

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Speaker 4: Of we'll get there, Chris, don't worry, I gotcha, all right.

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Speaker 4: So that's I think we can agree that's the most unlikely. Yes,

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Speaker 4: all right, So we got scenario two trading for a

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Speaker 4: Brown's up there. But listen, you you're a Pats fan

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Speaker 4: like me. We've been hurt a lot by these by

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Speaker 4: these prospects. You know, everyone turns out to be Drake

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Speaker 4: mayor Christian Zalez.

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Speaker 6: True.

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Speaker 4: That being said, if there's a vet out there, you

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Speaker 4: have a need. I'm just throwing a name out there.

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Speaker 4: Budda Baker, safety Cardinals. I think he's twenty nine to thirty.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if i'd give the first up for him,

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Speaker 4: but you know it's an option.

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Speaker 8: No, it is, for sure. I mean a guy like

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Speaker 8: Buddha Baker. You kind of have that in Kevin Bider enough.

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Speaker 8: So that's why way different play style, way different play style.

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Speaker 6: But you kind of no, I know you didn't, you know,

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Speaker 6: but you are talking about a guy like A J. Brown.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 8: Do you have fully what it's worth for him? At

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Speaker 8: least with this year's picks. I think you're gonna be

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Speaker 8: looking at next year's picks. Got it more importantly, especially

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Speaker 8: with the upcoming draft and the importance of next next

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Speaker 8: the sake of A J. Brown's trade scenario, I think

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Speaker 8: the Patriots are going to give up a first most

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Speaker 8: likely you're going to give up a third.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you're locked in on the first. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 8: I actually do think that first, that first round pick

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Speaker 8: is in play for the Patriots trying to get a J.

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Speaker 6: Brown. But you know, I just think bigger picture here.

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Speaker 8: I think you need to protect your picks because you

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Speaker 8: don't want to be I don't know. I don't want

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Speaker 8: to say careless, but yeah, you know you want to

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Speaker 4: This is the nucleus of your franchise, right, Okay, all right,

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Speaker 4: So I was team trade the pick for a Vet,

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Speaker 4: if that's the move anymore. When I say a VET,

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Speaker 4: I mean like I'm shooting for the stars here. You know,

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Speaker 4: you don't have thinking Jettas that's Evan would tell me

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Speaker 4: to shut up. So we're going to scenario number three,

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Speaker 4: which is the one you want, which is trading back,

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Speaker 4: which the Patriots have done before.

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Speaker 5: I mean they did it in uh twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: They trade back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, got cold strange, So we're not afraid to do

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Speaker 4: that as a franchise. So that being said, what can

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Speaker 4: you get? Like I ran a couple mocks of in

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Speaker 4: the mock draft simulator of what a trade would look

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Speaker 4: like with the thirty first So the first one I

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Speaker 4: had was Carolina for the thirty first pick offered their second,

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Speaker 4: their third, and a twenty twenty seven to fifth. The

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Speaker 4: Chargers offered their second, their third at twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 4: and a twenty twenty seven to fourth. So kind of

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Speaker 4: seems like a game two picks plus some next year.

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Speaker 4: You just got away how high up your second is

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Speaker 8: It is, it is, And I mean I think that's

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Speaker 8: and you're flexing out to try to get more either

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Speaker 8: earlier in the second at least one earlier in the

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Speaker 8: second and one earlier in the third my opinion, because

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Speaker 8: again you don't want to lose its value necessarily, But

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Speaker 8: I do think there's enough guys, especially at the edge

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Speaker 8: rusher position, that if you were to trade back and pick,

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Speaker 8: so you're picking sixth in the second.

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Speaker 6: Round, yep.

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Speaker 8: I think there's still value. You could still get the

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Speaker 8: guy that you're kind of looking forward to.

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Speaker 4: Percent Let's say hypothetically Casey conceptions at thirty one. Okay,

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Speaker 4: just the stays there and some team picking high up

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Speaker 4: in the seconds, like, let's up, they don't take him.

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Speaker 4: There's a chance he could keep slipping, and then you boo,

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Speaker 4: you got two seconds.

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Speaker 5: The only thing, the only thing the shipping is with

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Speaker 5: the first you get the fifth round option, which is

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Speaker 4: If you like the guy and this is your guy,

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Speaker 6: If you're not gonna sit, don't move up.

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Speaker 1: Are you reciting now? To be joined by Field Gates

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Speaker 1: from ESPN to break down the Patriots offseason here, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of free agency, a little bit of look

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Speaker 1: forward to draft. Field, Thanks for taking the time here

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Speaker 7: Me, no problem is glad to be with you today.

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Speaker 1: So let's just start off with free agency. You know,

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Speaker 1: Patriots seemed like a lot of one for one moves,

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Speaker 9: feels like an off season that I feel like there's

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Speaker 9: it's other ways, other levers to pull to continue to

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Speaker 1: Well, one of those items could it be AJ Brown?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much talk. I mean, Patriots

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: It feels now they're saying maybe after June first, what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that whole potential coming to fruition? Finally,

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown to the Patriots?

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Speaker 6: Is it real? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I think where I've landed with AJ Brown is that

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Speaker 9: He's referenced to the Patriots or one of the teams

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Speaker 9: is still right logical landing spot perhaps, at least in

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Speaker 9: my estimation, the most logical landing spot for age A

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Speaker 7: And I think probably most.

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Speaker 9: Viewers and listeners of this program already know this, But

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Speaker 7: So that's a long.

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Speaker 9: Time to have to wait still two and a half

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Speaker 9: more months from when you and I are talking right now.

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Speaker 9: But for a player of this caliber and for a

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Speaker 1: Just one more question for you feel about the offense.

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Speaker 1: I felt like this was a real Josh McDaniels kind offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, we see Reggie Gilliam come over from the Bills.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I totally agree, especially on those first three players

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Speaker 7: Bit more of what yacht gave you for those years

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Speaker 1: I love the yacht shout out, of course, love it.

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Speaker 1: Love our German Yako Johnson. But let's get let's get

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Speaker 1: We're last couple of years, you're talking top five picks

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Speaker 2: Who's the edge?

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Speaker 9: Well, there's two ways in which this is trickier to

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Speaker 9: But that's a different conversation for a different appearance here

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Speaker 9: So for the Patriots at thirty one, I think the

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Speaker 9: I think a number two tight end or number three

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Speaker 7: A game tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: guys you can really count on, but a great protection

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Speaker 9: plan and also some depth.

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Speaker 1: Love what you're saying about the edge and the tight

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Speaker 1: end groups. I mean those are two position groups of

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Speaker 1: the combine. We heard Brabel Elliott Wolf both mention those.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the tight ends totally hear what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: Like I just they get younger, get a young one

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Speaker 1: of these athletic guys, Matt Clair from Ohio State one

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Speaker 1: that I like. But I want to talk about two

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Speaker 1: other positions down there though. And you had Caleb Lomu

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Speaker 1: from Utah as a tackle taken in thirty first overall

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Speaker 1: in your first mock draft, which you know. To me,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a need too. I'd also look at

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Speaker 1: the safety position. You know, does one of those guys

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Speaker 1: get pushed down a little bit. It just signed Kevin Byerd.

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Speaker 1: He's on a one year deal. He's still playing at

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Speaker 1: a high level. You've got Craig Woodson kind of locked in,

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Speaker 1: But that could be a long position of need our

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Speaker 1: tackle and safety, maybe two dark horse positions down there

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Speaker 1: at thirty first overall that you could see them consider.

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Speaker 9: I try to remind consumers of my content this all

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Speaker 9: the time, is that, like other than quarterbacks, everything's kind

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Speaker 9: of a need for the Patriots because the NFL is

462
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Speaker 9: a unpredictable and there's a salary cap, so players that

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Speaker 9: are currently fixtures may not be fixtures for the next

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Speaker 9: five or six years. So I think that offensive line,

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Speaker 9: just in general it's talked about a need. Safety could

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Speaker 9: be a need as well. And I think that what

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Speaker 9: we realize with safeties, and this is something that has

468
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Speaker 9: really shifted over the past couple of years, is that

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Speaker 9: there's a specific type of safety that a Mike Rabol

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Speaker 9: and Zach Orr and Terrell Williams defense is going to

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Speaker 9: prioritize and value. Right, there were guys who just a

472
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Speaker 9: couple of years ago looked like they were going to

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Speaker 9: be fixtures for the Patriots and Kyle Dugger and also

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Speaker 9: the Broke Peppers, and then both of them are gone. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: the Gealen Hawkins for Kevin Bayern swap is one that

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Speaker 9: brings tons of familiarity. It's also a one year deal

477
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Speaker 9: for a safety in his thirties. Is Kevin Bayern. So

478
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Speaker 9: if you can find a guy that provides some of

479
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Speaker 9: that ability to chop off explosive plays down the field

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Speaker 9: like Buyer does.

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Speaker 7: He's got premier ball skills. He led the NFL interceptions.

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Speaker 9: Once again last season, died byed but safety is probably

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Speaker 9: a bigger need than maybe he is currently being forecasted.

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Speaker 9: And the Patriots showed last year that you can get

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Speaker 9: some good players in the rounds of the draft.

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Speaker 7: Craig Woodson was just excellent for them, and a guy.

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Speaker 9: That was a one hundred and second overall I think

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Speaker 9: it was for Craig, so not quite in the middle

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Speaker 9: of the draft, but just prior to the proverbial fifty

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Speaker 9: yard line of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Well Field, I know you got another mock draft coming out.

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Speaker 1: You want to tease that at all. I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to give anything away, but you know this is

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Speaker 1: what we live at breathe on here in the spring.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, pass catcher will be one of the themes actually

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Speaker 9: a two round mock draft, so a pass catcher, and

497
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Speaker 9: but that there will certainly be a note in there

498
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Speaker 9: that this could all change if AJ Brown is eventually

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Speaker 9: shipped to New England. The delicate balance that you know

500
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Speaker 9: Elliott Wolf and Mike Vrabel are dealing with is that

501
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Speaker 9: you know there's no way to agree to a deal.

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Speaker 9: It's contingent upon getting done after June first, Like the

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Speaker 9: NFL does not allow that. You can have an agreement

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Speaker 9: in principle, but it can't be fully executed. So for

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Speaker 9: any number of reasons, the deal that you think is

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Speaker 9: done on March nineteenth may not be done once June

507
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Speaker 9: second rolls around. So you almost have to go into

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Speaker 9: this draft counting on receiver as a need. Address it

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Speaker 9: if you so desire. Keep in mind that AJ Brown

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Speaker 9: could become available, but I'm sure the Patriots and Eagles

511
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Speaker 9: have have had plenty of conversations about how realistic that

512
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Speaker 9: could be. And we still have five weeks until the

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Speaker 9: NFL drafts, so even more time for them to kind

514
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Speaker 9: of flesh out the parameters of a potential deal. The

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Speaker 9: pass catcher will be a need there for the Patriots.

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Speaker 9: I would note that they're in that sweet spot at

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Speaker 9: the back end of the first round as well that.

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Speaker 7: Teams will call right.

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Speaker 9: It's not just teams that maybe want to get up

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Speaker 9: in the back end of the first round for a quarterback.

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Speaker 9: And this does feel like one of those years where

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Speaker 9: we could see a team move up for Tyson Simpson

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Speaker 9: out of Alabama, but I think he will make it

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Speaker 9: into the twenties. But the other thing that I would

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Speaker 9: note is teams do want that fifth year of contract control.

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Speaker 9: The Carolina Panthers moved up a couple of years ago

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Speaker 9: from thirty three to thirty two to get Xavier andly

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Speaker 9: get the wide receiver out of Seuth Carolina, and it

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Speaker 9: could be that they wanted the fifth year of contract control.

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Speaker 7: That's theal in motivation.

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Speaker 9: It also could be that if you know a team

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Speaker 9: is convinced that Seattle or whoever might be picking at

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Speaker 9: thirty two is going to take who they really want

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Speaker 9: to the top of the second round, it could be

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Speaker 9: motivated to jump ahead and get to number thirty one.

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Speaker 9: So trade back is something that I think almost every

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Speaker 9: team likes to do. Especially in a draftcout class like this,

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Speaker 9: So wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots are proactive and

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Speaker 9: finding suitors that could come up to number thirty one overall,

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Speaker 9: just given the fact that I think the caliber of

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Speaker 9: player between thirty one and thirty seven forty is pretty similar.

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Speaker 9: Even in the draft in which the Patriots have, at

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Speaker 9: least right now the third most picks of any team

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Speaker 9: in the NFL, A.

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Speaker 1: Lot of uncertainty when you're down there at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the first round makes a little bit more exciting.

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Speaker 1: I think, of course, they trade out. Could be a

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Speaker 1: long night, but we'll let that happen to you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time, and we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to look out for your mock drafts and see what

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Speaker 1: comes about in April.

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Speaker 7: Thanks dude, appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're breaking down the defensive backs today. That includes,

554
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Speaker 1: of course, the cornerbacks and the safety group. Maybe not

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Speaker 1: positions of overwhelming needs, certainly not the cornerback spot where

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Speaker 1: the top three guys are going to return tease, But

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Speaker 1: why don't you set the table a little bit for

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Speaker 1: us here at the cornerback spot, of course, Christian Gonzales,

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Speaker 1: maybe up for an extension. That's a big part.

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Speaker 4: Christian Goanzalez certified as one of the best corners in

561
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Speaker 4: the league. Obviously you don't know what the extension situation

562
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Speaker 4: is going to be. You got Marcus Jones who got

563
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Speaker 4: the extension last season twenty twenty five, Carlton Davis coming

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Speaker 4: in for year two, and then you got some of

565
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Speaker 4: the younger guys Kobe minor, Charles Woods. We had marself's

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Speaker 4: dial off the injury, so it's listened. Nothing wrong with

567
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Speaker 4: taking a cornerback, but we got some depth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ev what are we looking for at the cornerback

569
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Speaker 1: position right now? All things considered what they have, but

570
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Speaker 1: just a generation.

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Speaker 3: I think that you know, if you're looking for somebody

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Speaker 3: that's going to step in at twenty twenty six, it's

573
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Speaker 3: probably another player on the outside as insurance for either

574
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Speaker 3: Carlton Davis or Christian Gonzalez. If you're looking for long term,

575
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Speaker 3: maybe the nickel spot gets in there a little bit more,

576
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Speaker 3: and we can talk about as we blur the lines

577
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Speaker 3: here at defensive back between safety and corner some of

578
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Speaker 3: the bigger nickel players that you know can come in

579
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Speaker 3: and add some size to that position. I think that's

580
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Speaker 3: really what you're looking for in terms of the immediate future.

581
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Speaker 3: Is a third outside corner that can rotate in and

582
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Speaker 3: maybe take some of the load off those guys, or

583
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Speaker 3: if there's an injury and then is there a bigger

584
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Speaker 3: body type that maybe you'd want to put inside to

585
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Speaker 3: help Marcus Jones out with, you know, some of those

586
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Speaker 3: big boys at tight end and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Let's just rifle it off the top. This is kind

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Speaker 1: of four guys to me, probably not going to be

589
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Speaker 1: there based on you know, mock drafts, and of course

590
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Speaker 1: Manser Delaine, Avion Terrell, Colton Hood, Jerab McCoy Hood McCoy.

591
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Speaker 1: I really like both those guys. I don't know if

592
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Speaker 1: there's a world where that would ever happen. All those

593
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Speaker 1: guys are talented, though, but when I see, you know,

594
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Speaker 1: physical players that can play a little bit of z own,

595
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Speaker 1: a little bit of man, that to me kind of

596
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Speaker 1: speaks to what they're looking for. Any of those top

597
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Speaker 1: four guys, Chris, for you that you enjoyed, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean you mentioned McCay. I think that was one that

599
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Speaker 6: really stuck out to me.

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Speaker 1: But coming off of an injury, right, yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I mean you want to see where you can

602
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Speaker 8: come or sort of develop following the injury. But you

603
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Speaker 8: know a guy that showed out to me personally and

604
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Speaker 8: accept another direction here is friend and cis you know,

605
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Speaker 8: potential to be a late first round pick.

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Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of speculation.

607
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Speaker 8: Obviously, the Chiefs just trade away Trent McDuffie, so they're

608
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Speaker 8: gonna be looking for a corner in some sort of

609
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Speaker 8: area there. But you know, quality guy sort of sideline

610
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Speaker 8: of sideline cornerback covers your outside, great against tight ends,

611
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Speaker 8: very strong, fast, ran a four, three, five forty, Like

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Speaker 8: you know, he's a guy that's he's a special dB.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the top four? Have you got anything

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Speaker 1: on those guys?

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Speaker 3: I would just say with Colton hood like, he's probably

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Speaker 3: the one guy that's projected the most sort of at

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Speaker 3: that back end of the first round. I highly doubt

618
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Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to use the thirty first pick

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Speaker 3: on a corner. But I was looking at him a

620
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Speaker 3: little bit the other day, and the NFL dot Com

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Speaker 3: Lands Airline comparison is Carlton Davis. So if you're looking

622
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Speaker 3: for a player that kind of fits the suit and

623
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Speaker 3: fits that mold, if we're going to have that conversation.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I would say the guys that I

625
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Speaker 3: wrote down to specifically highlight today are more in that

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Speaker 3: mid round, maybe starting at the end of the third

627
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Speaker 3: Worth round range, because I think that's kind of we're

628
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Speaker 3: we're talking about them drafting for depth, not necessarily drafting

629
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Speaker 3: for starters.

630
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Speaker 4: With with Coltonhood, who I really liked, it's kind of

631
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Speaker 4: one of those situations. A lot of the mocks have

632
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks taking him, and it kind of makes sense sense.

633
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Speaker 4: Riquel and left, So I mean, big physical corner. I

634
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Speaker 4: like when the corners can jam the receiver matchup against

635
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Speaker 4: the big guys. So would be a good fit, just

636
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Speaker 4: just might not be the year for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. Staying kind of on these top level guys.

638
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Speaker 1: Chris Johnson from San Diego State, another guy so really athletic,

639
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Speaker 1: great feet, you know, not great size or long speed,

640
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Speaker 1: but a versatile guy. Let's move on though, to some

641
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Speaker 1: of these you know, later round guys, and I'm just

642
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Speaker 1: gonna bring up to that that I enjoyed watching I again,

643
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Speaker 1: looking guys with some feistiness to their game. Keith Abney

644
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Speaker 1: from Arizona State and Dalen Evertt from Georgia and Dalen

645
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Speaker 1: Evert from Georgia. I just I mean, he's sixty one,

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Speaker 1: one ninety six, he ran a four to three eight,

647
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Speaker 1: he's played forty one.

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Speaker 5: Games in the SEC.

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Speaker 1: To me, he just looks the part he's experienced. I

650
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Speaker 1: really just responded to him, I don't know if you

651
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Speaker 1: did a ding ding, what.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys? Yeah, yeah, I mean he's the number

653
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Speaker 3: one guy on my list right now because I think,

654
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Speaker 3: you know, probably starting at the end of the third

655
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Speaker 3: round is where his name is going to be called.

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Speaker 3: He had a really great combine and I wonder if

657
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Speaker 3: that pushes him up into securely into that top one

658
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: hundred range. While you start to talk about guys in

659
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: their system that they are playing a little bit more

660
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: zone coverage, so you still want to have that ability

661
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: to play man to man, which I think ever it has,

662
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: but then you also really are going to be foundationally

663
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 3: a zone coverage team. That's you just describe the Georgia Bulldogs, right,

664
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the things that Georgia

665
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: does with their palms or quarters coverages and things like

666
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: that are similar to the way the Patriots want to

667
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: play coverage on the outside. Great athlete. As I mentioned,

668
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: you know, one of the best testers at the combine

669
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: ran in the I want to say, high four threes

670
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, yeahs got some size to him as

671
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: well with that kind of speed. So we're describing a

672
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: guy that, you know, most people are listening to this

673
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: probably like, well, why is this guy going in the

674
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: third or fourth round? He might not, you know, like that.

675
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: That's the reality of it. Now that we're getting into

676
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: this later stages a lot of these consensus boards, you

677
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: see his name starting to creep up into the third

678
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: round and even beyond.

679
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: Let's stop talking about him then maybe, yeah, maybe we

680
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: can push it too much type. Did you guys have

681
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: any thoughts in him? I know I shared him as

682
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: one of the names.

683
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 8: That no, no, not nothing, nothing directly on him necessarily

684
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 8: from there.

685
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some later guys.

686
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 5: I had Willie Lee just a good from Texas A

687
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 5: and m wille three.

688
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Willie three, I think that's a great that's a

689
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: great name. Willy three. No, just a good nix between

690
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: a man and his zone. You know, could put in

691
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: multiple places, good developmental prospect. If we're talking about a

692
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: depth guy outside Torreona Pride who ran a four to

693
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: three to two, which keep his name. We'll talk about

694
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: him in the safeties. But you can't teach speed. So

695
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: I think there's nothing wrong with taking a cornerback who

696
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: could run fast at the later rounds.

697
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 6: Yeah for me, for me just to jump into another

698
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 6: later round guy. Uh. Devin Moore from Florida. Uh, very lengthy.

699
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

700
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 8: You know, green coverage, good downfield, can stand up right

701
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 8: when he's back only sometimes, but you know, thinks these things.

702
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 6: Can be adjusted.

703
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 8: I think these are important things to folks on because,

704
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 8: like we talked about the top of this, you're getting

705
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 8: a developmental guy. You're getting a guy that you can

706
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 8: help grow and and sort of a Justice gameplay and

707
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 8: I mean more is dealt with some injuries, but again

708
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 8: still also develop selsa grow. But you get into an

709
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 8: NFL system, especially here in New England, potentially you know

710
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 8: who knows what you're happening.

711
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: So we mentioned Dylan Everett, who I think is probably

712
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: gonna go high, probably top one hundred or at least

713
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: third round. Charles Demings from Steven F. Austin is kind

714
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: of like the other Dylan Everett, who's similar kind of player,

715
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: but smaller school and mic Go in that fourth round.

716
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: So you look at those picks at one twenty five

717
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: and one thirty one, you know, he makes a lot

718
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: of sense in that kind of range. But still another

719
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: six to one hundred and ninety pounds four to four corner,

720
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, so has the size of speed to play

721
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: man to man, probably needs a little bit more seasoning

722
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: and zone coverage. It would probably be the next step

723
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: for him. I also just got to mention Lorenzo Styles

724
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: from Ohio State just because he's a Buckeye and we

725
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: know who the head coach is. So his brother Sonny

726
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: is going to be probably a top ten, top fifteen

727
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: tick in the draft. But Lorenzo Styles, as we sort

728
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: of segue, I brought him up here because we're just

729
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: gonna start talking about the safeties. He's kind of like

730
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: a nickel safety hybrid type of player that played a

731
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 3: lot over the slot at Ohio State and projects as

732
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: a guy that can play man to man out of

733
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: the slot, but has some size that maybe he can

734
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: do some safety things too. So like him, Jalen Kilgore

735
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: from South Carolina, that Genesis Smith from Arizona. Those are

736
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: the types of guys that have a little history of

737
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: playing pure slot corner that maybe the Patriots could be

738
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: interested in. I'm interested to see when Lorenzo Styles goes

739
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: because all the attention at the combine was on his brother,

740
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: and then he went out there and had a ridiculous

741
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: workout himself, and it's like, what is this family? Like, Like,

742
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: what is going on?

743
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Is Monny and Lorenzo Styles elite athletes?

744
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 5: Great names?

745
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

746
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: And his mom's like in the stands and she's like

747
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: rooting for both of them, and I'm like, mom, like

748
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: what did you do? And so I think Lorenz those

749
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Styles is probably an early Day three pick, you know,

750
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: maybe in the top one fifty. Yeah, And I you know,

751
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: all the trades that you look for, well have you used?

752
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: You started to turn the page. Why don't you set

753
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: the table though for us at the at the safety

754
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: positions because there was a huge transition this year, and

755
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many people would have

756
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: expected that the twenty twenty five Patriots, we're gonna get

757
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: rid of Kyle Dugger and Jibril Peppers turn it right

758
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: over to rookie Craig Woodson. Jalen Hawkins, primarily a special

759
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: teams player, comes in and starts. Now you bring in

760
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Byerd, I think we can all agree. You know,

761
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: there's some depth questions here and especially long term with

762
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: the one year deal, But what do you see out

763
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: of that position right now when you look at these prospects?

764
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: What checks your box for this is the Patriots kind of.

765
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: Guy coverage coverage coverage, Like I feel like we're out

766
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: of the days now with the Patriots where playing in

767
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: the box, playing starting closer to the line of scrimmage,

768
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: being able to you know, do basically like that hybrid

769
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: linebacker safety thing. I don't know if we're in that

770
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: world anymore. I feel like now with the Patriots defense,

771
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: they want guys that can cover a lot of grass

772
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: on the back end, that can play over the top

773
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: of the defense, that can play quarters, that can match

774
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: the slot. I think that's probably one of the most

775
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: important things in terms of the level of difficulty of

776
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: the assignment. You know, when they go to three by

777
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: one and they go to quarters in two by two,

778
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: if they go to a bunch formation offensively, those types

779
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: of things, usually the safety ends up in man coverage

780
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: on somebody. So you need someone in that mold that

781
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: has a little bit of coverage skills in man to

782
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: man and can run with people and can carry verticals,

783
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: can catch verticals down the field, you know, ten twelve

784
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: yards off the ball. So it's not so much the

785
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: Kyle Duggars, the Jabriel Peppers is the world anymore. Now

786
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: it's the Craig Woodson. It's like the guys that can

787
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: really cover in the back end. That box needs to

788
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: be checked first and then we can start worrying about

789
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: physicality and run defense.

790
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I remember asking you something similar there in the season.

791
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: You're like, well, you know, like Kevin Byern. Now here's

792
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: Kevin Byron. Of course there's a consensus top guy here,

793
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: Caleb Downs. I'm gonna let you guys jump in on

794
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: him and Thieneman because I'm gonna let Evan go on

795
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: Emmanuel McNeil Warren because I know he's got a little

796
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: bit of.

797
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: A little bit of I got a crush on both

798
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 3: him and Dylan. I mean that that combine workout is

799
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: like he's a beast.

800
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 4: He's three year start around like a four to three

801
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: seven or something. He's he watch his tape, He's everywhere

802
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: like that. That's that's the dream. I mean, Evan, would

803
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: you say first round or probably the top twenty, top twenty.

804
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: So like that's one of those things if if he's there, like,

805
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: do you make the move? Like I think it's a

806
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: worthy conversation, right if he somehow slides like which I

807
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: don't think he will, but like you just gotta think

808
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 4: Evan's talking about, Yeah, he might not start this year,

809
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: but like there's he's a beast.

810
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 5: There's something you can't pass up on.

811
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, quarter about down, So we got to talk

812
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: about down then. I mean, look, there's no hope of that,

813
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: but him at the combine talking about Matt Patricia, the

814
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: impact that he had, I mean, talk about a guy

815
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: that can do everything. Some team's gonna get a really

816
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: good player.

817
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: There's sometimes when you like hear about prospects and you

818
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: hear the hyperbole of like this is the best safety

819
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: prospects since Ed Reid, and I'm like, no, this might

820
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: be the best safety for prospects. Sin said read like

821
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: that might actually be true in this case. I don't

822
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: a guy that wears as many hats as he does

823
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: and has the ability to play in all three levels

824
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: of the defense, and Matt Patricia used him as a

825
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: pro safety last year. Moving him around and hunting matchups

826
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: and putting out fires and all that kind of stuff

827
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: that you saw for years here in New England with

828
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: their safeties. So he hit. The hype is one hundred

829
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: percent real with him. You know, I I didn't honestly

830
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: haven't watched him a ton closely because I get into it.

831
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that the one thing that you

832
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: did hear a little bit with him coming out of

833
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: the combine is maybe some concerns about his knee and

834
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: his injury not hit history in terms of what he

835
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: happened at Ohio State because nothing really happened, but his

836
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: longevity of his career because of maybe some of those

837
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: types of medical things. But that's like maybe a team

838
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: that's picking eleventh that like, and I'm making that up,

839
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: but like maybe that is trying to get him to

840
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: fall or something like that, because there's there's really not

841
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: a lot of holes in his game.

842
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 6: No, he's an absolute stud.

843
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 8: I mean, Caleb down is one of my personal favorite

844
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 8: safeties in the Tricks. I know he's everybody's favorite safety

845
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 8: in the tribe, but he's just so dynamic and fun

846
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 8: to watch him. I Mean, we talked about these multi

847
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 8: layer guys like Craig Woodson, great fine for the.

848
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 6: Patriots, especially last year.

849
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a guy you know you talk about playing

850
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 8: like deep third of the field, kind of ballhog safety

851
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 8: style what you need now, and Craig Woodson is added

852
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 8: that piece to the run league solid, one of the

853
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 8: better tacklers from the secondary.

854
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 6: And Caleb Downs, I mean he can do it both

855
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 6: ways too.

856
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was really I pressed with Woodson though

857
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: this year just the quick at side, like just yeah,

858
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: he looks like a free safety. He understands how to

859
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: navigate traffic and how to get the ball and tastes

860
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: good angles. It's a great building piece, and especially his

861
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: playoff was outstanding. But just moving on to you know,

862
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: some favorites. I'm not going to talk about him bug Clark.

863
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: You know one favorite of mind that the two guys

864
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I want to mention though that I just is aj

865
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: Halsey from LSU and Trade and Stokes from Arizona, two

866
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: guys that I kept coming back to.

867
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: Halsey.

868
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: We're in a four or five two not great, but

869
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: he just he's got the build and and I mean

870
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: maybe to Evan's point, he's not quite the run all

871
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: over the place kind of a guy. But he's just

872
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: one where you drawing a certain kind of players and

873
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, he looks the part to me, maybe

874
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: he would play a third safety kind of role. And

875
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: then with Stukes there's there's no speed concern with him

876
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: four three three, But just with him watching him, he

877
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: did everything that Evan talked about. He can play off

878
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: the overhang, he can blitz, he can play in the

879
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: back half. Those are just two guys probably you know,

880
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: second third round in there. Maybe not quite the matchup,

881
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: but those were just two guys to me that that

882
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: stood out.

883
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Halsey's an interesting player. He's one of the more

884
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: fun safeties to me in this class because of how

885
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: he hits. Yeah, he's like one of the He's one

886
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: of the only guys other than McNeil Warren who's like

887
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 3: really physical. These other guys that were gonna talk about

888
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: are cover players and rangey players and you know one

889
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: ninety five two hundred pounds run well, Halsey's the one

890
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: guy that really is an enforcer over the middle of

891
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: the field. Now. I think the issue with him though,

892
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: is that he's a little bit rigid, a little bit stiff.

893
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: He doesn't quite have the sideline the sideline range over

894
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: the top of the defense. So he's going to be

895
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: a scheme specific player and he's not going to be

896
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: for everybody, and his role in the NFL is going

897
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: to be really really important, Like some team is going

898
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: to have to figure out how to keep him out

899
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: of those like dynamic foot races down the branches.

900
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Maybe a little you know, yeah, I mean, I know

901
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: it's a little different, but it's similar kind of you're

902
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: going to have to do something special.

903
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: He's one of the biggest safeties in the class too.

904
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: You know, two hundred and fifteen pounds is big for

905
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: safety these days, So he's one of those we lost

906
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: over McNeil Warren. Just touch for a second, you know,

907
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: I think that with him, you know, I see a

908
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: lot of highlights about him playing the deep part of

909
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: the field at Toledo and making plays on the football,

910
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: and I think that's in there. But I I think

911
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: really his destiny is that Kyle Hamilton, nick him and

912
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: Warry Roll where he's playing more in the box or

913
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: over the slot, specifically in a lot of the you know,

914
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: nickel and dime packages where they use big safeties these days.

915
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: In those roles, his ability to you know, make plays

916
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: on the football, his length, his tackling ability, his ability

917
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: to take on blocks and hold up run plays in

918
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: that sense, are all just plus plus plus trades across

919
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: the board.

920
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

921
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Good, No, I don't want, I don't. I just is

922
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: there any chance one of those I mean, obviously not downs,

923
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: but is there any chance that one of those top

924
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: three safeties is there at thirty one?

925
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean McNeil Warren's probably the

926
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: best case like in terms of somebody falling there. And

927
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: I do think the Patriots reportedly had him in for

928
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: a thirty thirty visits, so they obviously feel like he

929
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: might be somebody that could slip through the cracks to

930
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: thirty one. I think the two things that maybe make

931
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: him fall that way now, Quinjon Mitchell went to Toledo,

932
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: so it's not like Toledo's never had a guy that

933
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: they produced in the NFL. But it's not a big

934
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: time program, so you are seeing a level of, you know,

935
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: jumping level of competition from Toledo to the NFL. I

936
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: would also say, like I was kind of getting at

937
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: he's a taller, leggier corner safety, so like when he's

938
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: back there, I don't know if he's going to be

939
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: a true free safety at the NFL level because of that.

940
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 8: The thing though, despite his height, I feel like a

941
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 8: big thing for him is, like you mentioned.

942
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: It, it's his physicality.

943
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 8: Like being in safety and being that physical is exactly

944
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 8: what a team wants to see, and I feel like

945
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 8: that's such a big, big role to fill, especially here

946
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 8: in New England. So I mean I really like his physicality.

947
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 8: I mean he had nine force fumbles. He's a tackling machine,

948
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 8: peanut pinches like.

949
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: Everyone talking about ballhawks and stuff, which I like. But

950
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: I like my safety still to hit like I Chancellor. So,

951
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: like I mentioned with the corners, there was Pride from

952
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 4: Missouri who ran a four four to three, So this

953
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 4: guy stands out Robert Spears Jennings from Oklahoma, myself Pride.

954
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: Pride ran a four three four three two at like

955
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 4: one five. This guy is six two two o five

956
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: and ran the same speed like Cream.

957
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 5: He's a train, like he's gonna be a later round guy.

958
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 4: But like just physical on the ball there and then

959
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: for the more realistic Day two thing, I like Zachy

960
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: Wheatley from Penn state just.

961
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: Another thirty visit guy. Yeah, he he definitely has the

962
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: cover skills that they're gonna look for. I wrote dad

963
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: and in my notes with him, pure free safety, Like

964
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: I think he is a pure over the top player.

965
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 3: He's got lengthed but he's a little bit lean in

966
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: his frame right now. But I think his movement skills

967
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: and coverage and his ability to play over the top

968
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: of the defensor are really really good. So I think

969
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: there's a group of those types of players, you know, him,

970
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: Ramsey from USC kind of fits that mole. You know,

971
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: those guys on day two you can you can talk about.

972
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: Chris, he's setting you up.

973
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: You know, those are the types of players. You know,

974
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: just mentioned Bud Clark, who's a cresh of mine, and

975
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: like the third or fourth round, those guys are if

976
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: you're looking for people that can cover, you know, that's

977
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. And I also want to talk

978
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: about Genesis Smith a little bit too, but you go

979
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: ahead with.

980
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: No, it's all good, Yeah, no you touched. I say coverag.

981
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 8: Thing for Ramsey, very very yes, very appealing from Ramsey.

982
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 8: You know, you can put them deep, you can put

983
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 8: them in the slot. You know, really trusted and coverage.

984
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 8: He sees the ball well, and I think his ability

985
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 8: to crash on receivers and really force that impact and

986
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 8: force the ball out of the hands, I think that's

987
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 8: a that's a major, a major positive for him. And

988
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 8: I mean he had the knee injury that that kind

989
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 8: of sideline number there was twenty twenty five, but again

990
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 8: like just another guy kind of coming and can still

991
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 8: develop and you know, possible day two, day three guy.

992
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: So I like what you're getting at with ball disruption

993
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: because I think that's you know, not enough turnovers last year. Yeah,

994
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: think that's they think it's reallyant kind of it gives

995
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: the defense its personality when they turned the ball over

996
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: open the floor, anybody got another and I'm sure you off.

997
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: A couple more So. Genesis Smith from Arizona interests me

998
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: because in twenty four he played the nickel spot there

999
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: at slot Corner, and then in twenty five he went

1000
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: back and played a little bit more free and I

1001
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: had a lot of more you know, interceptions and ball

1002
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: production there. But I actually watched some of his twenty

1003
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: four tape at Slock Corner and I thought it was

1004
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: pretty solid too. So he's a guy that can do

1005
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: a little bit of both of those things, like kind

1006
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: of like a free nickel hybrid, which is sort of

1007
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: what I think they want their safeties to do and

1008
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 3: maybe what they could be looking for long term. Jalen

1009
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: Kilgore is a favorite of mine. He's a pure nickel,

1010
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: like big nickel that could come in and, you know,

1011
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: maybe play when you play a team that's gonna play

1012
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: multiple tight ends or play a full back or something

1013
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: like that, and you want to be bigger in your

1014
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: nickel package. I think Jalen Kilgore is one of those

1015
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: types of guys do as you mentioned Bud Clark like that.

1016
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: That to me looks like Craig Woodson two point zero.

1017
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: You know, he can play you know, quarters coverage, he

1018
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: can play man to man, he can fill the alleys

1019
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: in the run game. Yeah, he's a ball hog. He

1020
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: gets his hands on football sometimes at the detriment. Sometimes

1021
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: he takes too many risks trying to get hands on footballs.

1022
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: But I think that he's the type of guy that

1023
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: kind of when I watched him, I was like, well,

1024
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots asked their safety to do this, They asked

1025
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: him to do that. They asked him to do that,

1026
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: and he was kind of checking all the boxes. Then

1027
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: you sort of get into like the VJ. Paines and

1028
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: Ja down too. Yeah, Like I got to get a

1029
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 3: little bit lower in the draft, you know, Jacob Thomas

1030
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 3: from Miami. Like now we're talking, you know, maybe fifth round,

1031
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: sixth round safety prospects that I'll do a little bit.

1032
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: But VJ.

1033
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 3: Pain's an interesting one. He's he's a fun play. Yeah.

1034
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: I liked him too. I mean the same thing you said.

1035
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: I saw him at free safety, saw him in the box.

1036
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: He's six three two oh six with a four to

1037
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: four forty two game starter captain. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

1038
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: I think like that to me makes sense, Like day three,

1039
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: early day three, you get your guy to learn behind

1040
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Byron and Woodson. Maybe next year he's able to take over.

1041
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the question is are they are they looking

1042
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 3: for the future starting safety of the New England Patriots

1043
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: or are they looking for a complimentary player to the

1044
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six New England Patriots. Because if it's the

1045
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: complimentary player, then we're looking at the box nickel types

1046
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: that can play against bigger person because they're gonna have buyered,

1047
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: they're gonna have Craig Woodson. Those guys are gonna play

1048
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: in the deep part of the field. If they're looking

1049
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: for Kevin Byerd's on a one year contract, he's thirty

1050
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 3: three years old, YadA, YadA, YadA. Then we're talking about

1051
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: drafting one of these like Bud Clark's or something like

1052
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: that that can cover people. This is some crossover.

1053
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we'll probably talk a lot about

1054
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: this on Draft Countdown as we get closer to the draft.

1055
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: There's just you know, how do they get more in

1056
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: the tank to cover tight ends. Do they you know,

1057
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: try to help at the winebacker position. Is that a

1058
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: coverage position or are they looking at, you know, one

1059
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: of these guys like Halsey who could maybe play in

1060
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: the box and kind of play some of that role.

1061
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: Interesting how they're gonna approach it, I don't think any

1062
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: of us know, But that's why we're here on Patriots

1063
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: Draft Countdown. So I want to thank you guys for

1064
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: tuning in this week. We're gonna be back next week

1065
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,680
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