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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, November fifth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number fifty nine. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: gonna be joined here momentarily by Bucky Brooks. Real quick though,

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Speaker 1: that being said, let's welcome to the show, Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 1: from NFL Network. Let's talk a little Cowboys versus Steelers.

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Speaker 1: The day, we're going to focus in on the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: What can teams do offensively to maybe lessen that or

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Speaker 1: with some different casts. On each of the shows. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get into first some injury updates. There were

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Speaker 1: two guys that were limited in practice yesterday that I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much you guys were surprised, but my

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Speaker 1: brow raised a bit when I saw their names. Ezekiel

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Speaker 1: Elliot has a hamstring, Alton Smith has a knee. Are

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Speaker 1: these just situations where they're just trying to manage things

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Speaker 1: that are just bumps and bruises that happens throughout an

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Speaker 1: NFL season or is it more serious than that day? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean Mike McCarthy said this morning that they're not

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Speaker 1: serious issues. You know. He said they might limit Zeke

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Speaker 1: a little bit in practice today just to keep him fresh,

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Speaker 1: and Alton Smith as well. So I don't think that

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Speaker 1: this is something that puts either of them in jeopardy

445
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Speaker 1: for Sunday, but it is something that you gotta watch

446
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Speaker 1: because they love to take the whole week, and obviously

447
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Speaker 1: they're never going to be completely truthful with the media

448
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Speaker 1: when they're talking about this stuff. Mike McCarthy maybe the

449
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Speaker 1: biggest thing I've learned about covering him is he does

450
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Speaker 1: not like talking about injuries. So I'm not concerned, right, now,

451
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Speaker 1: but I do want to keep an eye on it,

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Speaker 1: you know, moving forward over the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into this conversation that we're going

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Speaker 1: to have about the Cowboys offense. Let's start first with

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Speaker 1: this question. What will be the factors that Dallas will

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Speaker 1: or should consider when trying to determine who their starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be this weekend between Gilbert and Rush?

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Speaker 1: And what do you think ultimately who do you think

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Speaker 1: ultimately will be the starter. Let's start with you, Nick.

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to who understands the offense

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Speaker 1: the best. I mean, you can look at measurable's arm strength,

462
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, but it's got to be

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Speaker 1: who can process what we're trying to do. Remember, when

464
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Speaker 1: the blitz is coming here or the safety comes down,

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Speaker 1: I know that this receiver is supposed to stop here.

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Speaker 1: It's just about recognition of the offense and what the

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Speaker 1: design is. And that being said, I can't imagine that

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be Cooper Rush, So that's who I would

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Speaker 1: go with. If that is the case. Whoever understands this

470
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Speaker 1: offense the best would be the guy go with Amber.

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Speaker 1: This doesn't really help the defense But if it was

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Speaker 1: up to me, I practice, I would take time to

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Speaker 1: allow the defense to win some of these matchups and

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Speaker 1: create some pressure to the quarterback, and just based on that,

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Speaker 1: see which of these two guys is able to make

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Speaker 1: better decisions under those kinds of pressures. You know, just

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Speaker 1: try to create somewhat a close environment as to what

478
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Speaker 1: you might get from the Steelers on Sunday, which shouldn't

479
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Speaker 1: be too hard with this kind of old line right now,

480
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Speaker 1: But just create the similar scenario just to see which

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Speaker 1: of the two guys has better reaction to their pressure.

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Speaker 1: But I would lean towards Scooper rush. All right, just

483
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Speaker 1: so I understand, are you saying, would you literally be like,

484
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Speaker 1: all right, two offensive line, y'all just take the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Let's just see what this looks like when guys just

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Speaker 1: run through. They already That's what I'm saying, Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would be I would go and say, okay, the

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Speaker 1: guys on the only line, let the defensive players win,

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Speaker 1: let them go through, like don't play to just let

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Speaker 1: them swing through and allow the defense to make place,

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Speaker 1: just to create pressure and to see what how the

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Speaker 1: quarterback reacts. And based on that, that's what I would

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Speaker 1: want create some false pressure because you know you're letting

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Speaker 1: the defense win in that aspect, but just to kind

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Speaker 1: of get a better feel as to how the quarterback reacts.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like you take the offensive line off the

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Speaker 1: field and you do like two alligator and you're like,

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Speaker 1: y'all play two alligator defense. You got one alligator too?

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Speaker 1: Alligator and did you go get the quarterback and let's

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Speaker 1: make sure you can get the ball out quickly because

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Speaker 1: that's what he's gonna have. I don't know what that is?

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Speaker 1: Ya there you go? Is that really? Did y'all know

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Speaker 1: what the alligat is? That Mississippi? It's Mississippi. It's Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who who's We've never heard in Texas

505
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Speaker 1: we say one alligator to alligat. That's how you play

506
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Speaker 1: football when you had when you had to wait to rush.

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Speaker 1: That's how we did it, right, I got it. It's Mississippi.

508
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Speaker 1: We did get it. Okay, okay, the four percent of

509
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Speaker 1: the world that did an alligator, but everyone else that's

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Speaker 1: less thing. It's Mississippi. Don't get us. Started grew up

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Speaker 1: in Louisiana, where there are alligators everywhere, and I've never

512
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Speaker 1: heard that you don't really like people from Mississippi anyways. True.

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Speaker 1: You know, what I think it's funny about what Amber

514
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Speaker 1: said is that is that we have to let the

515
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Speaker 1: defense like you guys are gonna win this time. It's

516
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Speaker 1: like they can't really do it on their own. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, we know you probably won't so this time.

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Speaker 1: Even though that's kind of weird, because I would imagine,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine the defense has some success in practice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I get your point, though, get some

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Speaker 1: get some pressure on these guys because you're gonna see it. Actually,

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Speaker 1: what I would do is I would probably blitz. I

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Speaker 1: would play like seven versus five, like that's what it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, But you know, honestly, what we've seen

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Speaker 1: coaches do, and this goes back to, you know, years

526
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Speaker 1: ago when when Parcelves is here. What we've seen coaches

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Speaker 1: do is just have that horn out there and literally

528
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Speaker 1: at two seconds or whatever it is, that horn goes off.

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Speaker 1: That forces a quarterback in his mind to know, regardless

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Speaker 1: of what you're seeing right now, in practice, this is

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Speaker 1: the point where you need to be getting rid of

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Speaker 1: the ball because well, whatever it is. You might want

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Speaker 1: to put it at one and a half seconds, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. Whatever it is, I think that is something

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Speaker 1: we've seen coaches do just to make sure their quarterback

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Speaker 1: is has a mental clock or starts to develop a

537
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Speaker 1: mental clock of this is how fast you need to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the ball because they're gonna be coming

539
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Speaker 1: if it's too Like, They're glad you brought up parselves,

540
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Speaker 1: because that's who I thought Amber sounded like, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, like that sounds like some old school,

542
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Speaker 1: like nineteen eighties stuff like I want you to kill

543
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Speaker 1: our quarterback please, so we can see who's better in

544
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Speaker 1: dealing with with stress. I like the idea, though, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I thought it was interesting today.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to a lot of people since

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Speaker 1: since Andy went down, just off the record conversations, talking

548
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Speaker 1: with friends, talking with you know, me and Nick have

549
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Speaker 1: talked about it. Everybody on the outside seems to think

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Speaker 1: Cooper Rush is a favorite. And then and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he gave anything away, but today at his press conference,

552
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said, obviously Garrett has a little more experience

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Speaker 1: than Cooper because he's been here, which for First of all,

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Speaker 1: really has he I'm not sure that it was an

555
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: interesting comment. Yeah, I was like, he's Mike. He's been

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Speaker 1: here for like ten days. I don't know if that

557
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Speaker 1: is enough to qualify, But um so, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe McCarthy thinks Scarrett Gilbert has more of a

559
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Speaker 1: leg up than we think. All right, let's move on

560
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Speaker 1: to the next question. With the strength of pitts Rush

561
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Speaker 1: being their defensive ends, those are the guys that we

562
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Speaker 1: hear about. Those of the guys that tend to end

563
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Speaker 1: with the sacks. I think they have three defensive ends

564
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Speaker 1: that all have six plus sacks this season. That being said,

565
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Speaker 1: is it in a better strategy to have Zach Martin

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Speaker 1: at tackle this week? Now? I know I'm gonna preface

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Speaker 1: this by saying, Dave, I know that the Cowboys are

568
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Speaker 1: probably not gonna do this. We know that. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is a hypothetical and this is your own analysis. Do

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Speaker 1: you think this is a week where it makes more

571
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Speaker 1: sense for the Cowboys to have him at tackle because

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Speaker 1: of how good they're defensive or they're outside linebackers in

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Speaker 1: this instance, are Let's start first with you, Dave. Okay,

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Speaker 1: like it always act like I never always act like

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Speaker 1: I never play along. Um, I will let me say this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said when we were on with Bucky,

577
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Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh's got some badass defensive tackles too, so you're

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Speaker 1: giving up something there by moving him. But yes, I would,

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Speaker 1: I would play. I would play Zack at tackle t J.

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Speaker 1: Watt maybe, you know, maybe the best left end in

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Speaker 1: the league. I don't know if that's true, but he's

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Speaker 1: the he's the he's in the conversation. He's certainly in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. I don't like that matchup for Terrence Steel

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Speaker 1: at all. I would move Zach for sure. Well, but

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Dave. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: they will do some more wild cut? And if they

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Speaker 1: did more wild cut, I think keeping keeping Zach Martin

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Speaker 1: there in the center of the line might be better

589
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Speaker 1: because I mean, that's where some of those that's where

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Speaker 1: some of the blocking is going to need to be.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if Terrence Steele is that bad

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Speaker 1: of a run blocker. I mean, I think he's decent there.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he just doesn't have the feet

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Speaker 1: or the techniques really for those quick edge rushers like

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Speaker 1: t J. Wat. I kind of think this is going

596
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Speaker 1: to be one of those slow down type of games

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Speaker 1: that you do need to run the ball. I think

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Speaker 1: you're having a better guard in there might be better.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if I would switch this week. Amber,

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Speaker 1: and I agree, and I agree with what Dave said.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if their strength is really there outside

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Speaker 1: of the rush. I think they get the benefit because

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Speaker 1: they get the meat there because the pockets always collapse.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if the strength really isn't in

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Speaker 1: the defensive title. So either way, I mean, I probably

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Speaker 1: would keep Zach wary Is in this game. Dave, do

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Speaker 1: you have something you rested throwing in there? That's a

608
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Speaker 1: really good point. I guess I'm expecting them to play

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Speaker 1: it pretty traditionally, and I mean, I'm sure there will

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Speaker 1: be some wildcat snaps, but I still anticipated looking more

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Speaker 1: normal than that, which I disagree with. I think they

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Speaker 1: should run wildcat every play, but you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to ask one of these guys to drop back,

614
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Speaker 1: you know, fifteen to twenty times. I feel very bad

615
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Speaker 1: about Terrence Steele dealing with that. Amber. That's an interesting

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Speaker 1: point that Nick made in today's point about the wildcat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I find it hard to see that they

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Speaker 1: do play so many wildcat plays, you know, like that

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Speaker 1: that's difficult to do, especially one you need to be

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Speaker 1: successful at. If you are not successful well at the

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Speaker 1: plays that you're creating, it's just not gonna work and

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Speaker 1: you're not fooling anyone. But going back to your question, one,

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Speaker 1: of course, we don't think that sack Martin is gonna

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Speaker 1: be moved to tackle, but me personally, I would I

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Speaker 1: would like I've been wanting them to move him to

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Speaker 1: tackle for several weeks now, but for some reason, they

627
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Speaker 1: keep thinking that's steel, how's it down, and that's their man,

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Speaker 1: and okay, good for you guys, protect the quarterback. Let's

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Speaker 1: just try to limit injuries from now on. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough to watch that matchup. Yeah, I

631
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Speaker 1: think that the interesting thing here is that you have

632
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Speaker 1: to try to make the evaluation of is the difference

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Speaker 1: between Steele at tackle and let's say McGovern at guard

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Speaker 1: or loony whichever one. What's that delta, because that really

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Speaker 1: is what you're what you're playing. Because I think Zach

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Speaker 1: Martin will be good at either one. I personally believe

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Speaker 1: that that's what I was gonna say, though, do you

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Speaker 1: think he would be just as good at tackle as

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Speaker 1: we've seen it once this year and he looked really good,

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Speaker 1: and see any problems there? So I'll have to Now,

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00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: by the way, Seattle doesn't have a t J. Watt exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's where I was going. If you're going up against

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Speaker 1: gonna give up something. I don't care who you are.

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Speaker 1: If Lyle Collins was out there this week, we'd be

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Speaker 1: saying that's a matchup to watch it because he's gonna

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Speaker 1: But that all being said, giving up one sack if

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Speaker 1: I think that's a sizeable difference. Yeah, one guy that

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Speaker 1: needs to really step it up, especially if they do

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Speaker 1: Wildcat is be honest, his snaps weren't very good, especially

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Speaker 1: the ones to Zeke. It always seemed like they were

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Speaker 1: So I mean that that's gonna be something that needs

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Speaker 1: to be cleaned up too. I mean, if he's gonna

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Dave, and do we think that Joe, like Tyler,

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Speaker 1: be honest, is definitely the starting center? Do we think?

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Speaker 1: Do we know? That? Is actually a great question, because

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Speaker 1: to this Cowboys offense. My next question was going to

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Speaker 1: be for you guys, as Dave talked about just before

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Speaker 1: the break, what do you expect Joe Looney's role to

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Speaker 1: be this week and what do you think it should be.

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Speaker 1: Let's start first with you Amber. I would imagine it

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Speaker 1: to be similar to what we saw last week, and

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Speaker 1: what I would like is not going to happen. They

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Speaker 1: keep telling I mean, what I think requires a lot

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Speaker 1: of shuffling around, and clearly they do not want to

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Speaker 1: do that. So I just I don't think they would

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Speaker 1: take out Tyler Biadish out of center to plugging Joe

731
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Speaker 1: Looney as a starter again. But then at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of doubtful about that comment. That was a

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Speaker 1: unique that brought it up by comming that Joe made

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Speaker 1: as he maybe he said next week, I should be

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Speaker 1: out there next week. But then as Dave said, where,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, Yeah, somewhere. Uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is this is tricky because I think it all

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Speaker 1: stems down to what like, what are they really trying

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Speaker 1: to do? Like, I mean, are you Jerry made it

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Speaker 1: clear last week what they're trying to do earlier this

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Speaker 1: week when he said they are looking at young guys

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of how they're thinking about then the

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Speaker 1: rest of the season. Then, from from what I have

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Speaker 1: been told, that they do want to keep that core

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Speaker 1: of Connor Williams and be Honest and Zach Martin because

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Speaker 1: those three are probably going to be the interior of

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Speaker 1: the line next year. And if that is the case,

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Speaker 1: then that's what I think they do. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know where Joe Looney fits into that. Then that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, I mean, that probably

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00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. Dave, go ahead. I look at

752
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: be Honest the same way I look at Treyvon Diggs.

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00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: He needs to be out there, you know, I know,

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00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, mathematically they're still alive, but they're probably not

755
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Speaker 1: going to win the division. And I know he's not

756
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna get to work with this preferred quarterback, but he

757
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: can still. Reps are good. You need to be getting reps.

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00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: You need to be working on and and he's showed

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00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: enough promise. He's not a liability. So he needs to

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Speaker 1: be in there playing and getting better. So I hope

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Speaker 1: and that it's no disrespect to Joe Looney. It's just business.

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Speaker 1: You know, Joe Looney's got eight games left on his contract.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Beatis is a rookie draft pit, so I hope

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Speaker 1: that they wouldn't plug him back in. Maybe, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe when he told you that he meant field goal

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Speaker 1: team or something, I don't know, um, but or well

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Speaker 1: he was if they want to move team, but he

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Speaker 1: did well, So yeah, because that's I don't know the

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Speaker 1: only guy that did. If they want to move yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they want to move Zack to right tackle, I'd

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Speaker 1: be fine playing Joe at right guard, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna do that. So yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: unless you're plugging him back in at center. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what would makes sense. And I hope you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. And if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about playing younger guys like, be honest, than McGovern

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Speaker 1: would probably want to be your guy over over loaning

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Speaker 1: was Lord knows he needs to play because he just

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of snaps under his belt. So

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Speaker 1: if you want to play young guys. I just you know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like a great spot for looney Yep.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the next question. With all

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Speaker 1: the tricks that Dallas pulled out last week versus Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: do you think they have to play more of a

785
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Speaker 1: conventional game this week because they've now lost the element

786
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Speaker 1: of surprise Nicholas. Um, You know, I like I like

787
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Speaker 1: the trick plays um when they work. Um, But no,

788
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Speaker 1: I like them. I mean, I think you have to.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to do both. You can't just

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Speaker 1: line up and beat them. You just can't do it.

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Speaker 1: You never saw the teams in the nineties really do

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Speaker 1: it because they didn't have to. They just run over

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00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: you and they this team obviously can't do that. So

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Speaker 1: I do think you need to trick it up a

795
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Speaker 1: little bit. But but I like to slow down. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, slow down thing um game plan as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm taking my shots, I'm taking some

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Speaker 1: reverses I'm doing. You know, I'm definitely gonna do a

799
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: flea flicker for sure. Um, But you know, every game

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Speaker 1: at least once. But yeah, I would, I would do

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Speaker 1: some of those tricks. I still would. Dave how many.

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Speaker 1: I hate to put anybody on the spot, but how

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Speaker 1: many trick players do we think they ran last week?

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Speaker 1: Like five? Maybe? On what you're calling a trick play, right,

805
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're calling a reverse or

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Speaker 1: double reverse a trick player, those are, but they're relatively

807
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Speaker 1: common in the NFL now, right, Not for this team,

808
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: You're right, not for this more of the Cowboys though, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true. I would My point, my point being, if

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Speaker 1: you're an NFL offensive coordinator and that's all you can

811
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Speaker 1: come up with, like you you shouldn't be one. Like

812
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Speaker 1: people are like, oh, they they emptied the playbook, like

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Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope. I hope you listens more

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Speaker 1: of those and maybe they would never see the light

815
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Speaker 1: of day. But like, that's what football coaches do. They

816
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: draw up plays while they're eating lunch. That's what that's

817
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: fun for them. So I would hope Kellen Moore's got

818
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: a lot more left in the bag, and they absolutely

819
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: need to do it, you know, they need to. The

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Speaker 1: Wildcat needs to be part of this. Some trick plays

821
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Speaker 1: and not even real trick plays. That's a great point, Derek,

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Speaker 1: Like a jet sweep in twenty twenty is not a

823
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Speaker 1: trick play. It's something you should be doing anyway. You

824
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: should be doing it all the time. And the other

825
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Speaker 1: fun thing is, you know, like I bring up the

826
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Speaker 1: rams all the time because I admire them so much.

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Speaker 1: Like all you have to do is change the formation

828
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Speaker 1: that you run the same play out of, Like you

829
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: can run the exact same play and move a guy

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Speaker 1: to the other side of the formation and it's completely different.

831
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Speaker 1: So it shouldn't be that hard to trick this thing

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Speaker 1: up again. And if they think that they're gonna win

833
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: playing traditionally, they got another thing coming. So yes, they

834
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Speaker 1: need to be doing it again and again and again.

835
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Speaker 1: Da I mean, Nick say, I got trick play? Was

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Speaker 1: that this this will work. I've seen it work before,

837
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Speaker 1: all right, stat liberty. No, it's fourth and one and

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Speaker 1: you're at midfield and you're like, are they really gonna

839
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Speaker 1: snap this? Are they gonna snap it? Maybe they will,

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Speaker 1: maybe they won't. And the guy goes up there, whoever

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Speaker 1: it is, Rush or Gilbert, just like hut hut, I mean,

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Speaker 1: really try to do it like ten times in a row,

843
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Speaker 1: stand up, walk yourself to the line, to walk yourself

844
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Speaker 1: like you're gonna call it time out. Snap at Zeke

845
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Speaker 1: because by that time those linemen are tired of being

846
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Speaker 1: in their stants and they kind of see the quarterback

847
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Speaker 1: walk off. It's all you need. Snap at Zeke first down.

848
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Speaker 1: I've seen it work, it has worked before. Do it?

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Speaker 1: You want to see it? Kellen, listen? All right? Rather

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Speaker 1: see that or a flee flicker? And well, I want

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Speaker 1: to see the fleeflicker. But I'm telling you this, if

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Speaker 1: that happens and they score a touchdown, like my phone

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Speaker 1: will break like it'll I mean every flicker. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: every time if Cincinnati's playing Tulsa on a Thursday night

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Speaker 1: and then somebody runs a fleeflicker, I get mentions, like

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. So if the Cowboys ever running

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Speaker 1: when Jason Garrett, seriously, Jason Garrett waited twelve years for

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Speaker 1: you to do that, you come back here and throw

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Speaker 1: a flee flicker. All right, let's see if we can

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Speaker 1: get one or two fan questions here before we end

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Speaker 1: the show. Amber, what do you got? Well, speaking of

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, this is a pretty blunt question, and since

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Speaker 1: I don't have to answer it, I'm just gonna throw it,

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Speaker 1: y'all's away. So after everything that we've seen so far

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Speaker 1: this year. Could it be the Jason Garrett possibly was

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Speaker 1: not the one necessarily to blame for the results that

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Speaker 1: they've had in previous years. Dave, I want to take that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not afraid that. I'm not afraid to answer the question.

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Speaker 1: I'm just perplexed, like why it's being asked in the

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Speaker 1: first place. I guess, like, yes, he was the head

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Speaker 1: coach for a decade, Like everything, everything that goes wrong

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Speaker 1: falls on you when you're the head coach. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the Cowboys, you know, we hesitate to say effort,

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Speaker 1: but like the Cowboys had these mental problems last year.

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Speaker 1: They got their butts kicked half a dozen times. People

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Speaker 1: are like, they never quit on Jason Garrett. Like they

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Speaker 1: got destroyed four or five times last year, like Buffalo

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Speaker 1: and Chicago just dragged them up and down the field.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, they went eight and eight and

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Speaker 1: didn't have nearly the injury problems that they're having right now. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this season's going poorly. It's about as bad of a

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Speaker 1: start for Mike McCarthy as you could ask for. But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't magically make the problems of the Jason Garrett

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Speaker 1: era go away. Yeah. The fact the matter is the

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Speaker 1: head coach is responsible for the result, probably more than

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Speaker 1: anybody else in the franchise and or on the team

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Speaker 1: at least. And so the way I look at it

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Speaker 1: is if you're if they played bad last year, yes,

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Speaker 1: Jason was the problem. He was at least part of

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Speaker 1: a major part of the problem. By the way, that

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Speaker 1: also means that this year Mike McCarthy has to take

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Speaker 1: his slumps for being a part of the problem because

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Speaker 1: they are two and six. So yes, absolutely, last year

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Speaker 1: Jason was a part of the problem, and absolutely this

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Speaker 1: year Mike McCarthy's part of the problem. That's the point

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Speaker 1: of a head point coach. You have to figure out

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Speaker 1: when things aren't going right, how to write the ship

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Speaker 1: and how to get your team to play above their heads.

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Speaker 1: If you can't do that, then you're not doing your

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Speaker 1: job well enough. And I think most coaches will tell

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Speaker 1: you that. They'll admit that that is their job. That's

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Speaker 1: in the job description. You're responsible for the final result.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave us with this and if we're done here

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Speaker 1: this I got a tweet easily. Don't take these tweets

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Speaker 1: to the air, but this is from the handle it's

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Speaker 1: this defense can't tackle. That's the name of the handle.

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Speaker 1: And it says, man, who would you want to start

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Speaker 1: on Sunday? Garrett or Cooper? And then he says, man,

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Speaker 1: Jones is really love Jason Garrett. One quarterback has his

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Speaker 1: last name, the other one looks like him. And with that,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys joining us. We will be back

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Speaker 1: again tomorrow. I'll let you know what will happen Sunday

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Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Steelers. It is a three thirty kickoff at

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Speaker 1: AT and T Stadium. Till then for Nick Eatman, Dave

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Speaker 1: Helm and Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been

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