WEBVTT - #200 - Tank 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.240 Butlet Cap Podcast bout Let keV Show Special guest episode 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:09.760 number two hundred too. Now I feel like I asked, 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.600 I'm knowing when not classic and it's only right on 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.880 episode two hundred. We have a legend, and I appreciate 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.400 this legend because his new album is out right now, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.360 I appreciate him too. But I used to hate Joe 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.960 Ass at one point in time because you was that 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.320 guy in my relationship where every time you came on 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.360 the radio, here go your nigga babe, here you go. 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.320 But he brought He brought his physical CD physical. We 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.279 got a physical album. I brought physical. Yes, I don't 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.440 even know y'all have a Cdler brought the physical. He's 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.919 got to take it out the case. It's gotta take 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.560 it off. I gotta see what what it's looking like. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.640 I've been open one of these are a minute, I 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.640 still haven't open one. I'm just been looking at him. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.320 This is going to be the first. We'll see what 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.240 the CD looks like. We're going to open see if 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.400 we got thank You's on the inside. Look at listen 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.480 you hear that. I kind of missed that plastic paper 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.120 the play the album. This is CD. People look at 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.920 the d's. That's what we used to play in our cars. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.840 It's not. This is the difference though, it is now 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:16.440 instead of a booklet, Q you got a QR to 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.080 get the thank you. Yes, Now, listen, there has to 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.280 be compromise. I get it, you know what I'm saying. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.120 And in this in this new wage that we're in, 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.920 so I fought to press these up. I love it, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.240 but you know, there have to be some compromise on 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.960 the amount of paper material that went into Was it 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.960 a tough fight to put the CD out? Though? Over 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.440 just Atlantic? They got No, it wasn't a tough fight. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.240 But I am. I am an artist that still sells 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.160 physical CD okay, so you know. And I asked me 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.960 for BUYINGEL and they asked me for CD. Vinyl still popping, right, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.720 vinyls a cracker. Yeah, Like, if you ain't selling vinyl 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.880 as a artist, you're tripping. It's crazy. I prefer Vinyl 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.680 over CD right now. You have a you don't even 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.840 have a record. I have a record, Yeah I do. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:03.680 I'll use it, you know what I got. So listen, man, 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.280 this is your final album? Yeah, so what made you 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:11.200 decide to just hang it up? Well? The thing that 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.359 made me want to transition because you got the R 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.800 and B Money podcast, Army Money. Army Money label started 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.519 with the arm By Money label, and that was just 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.160 an alert, Armby makes money. You want to make money 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.800 on arm and B. Come to RMB money. We understand it, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.120 we know the blueprint, we got it. But the thing 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.440 that kind of prompted my transition to happen, I think 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.639 maybe a little bit faster than I had thought I 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.880 would orchestrate. It was just you know, kind of going death, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.960 you know, my right ear and some of my left, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.720 and then the vertigo and then just that journey and 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.560 challenge that I went through medically, which kind of made 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.480 me look at time differently, right. You know, I wasn't 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.760 purposely procrastinating, you know, I just I was just taking 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.480 the steps, you know, maybe a little bit more cavalier 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:56.760 or more casual than I am now, because it's like 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.880 you look at the legacy, and you look at all 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.640 the goals and the things that you want to accomplish, 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.080 and just being on stage and taking my shirt off 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.560 singing in front of thousands you know women, that that's 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.920 not the end goal, right. The end goal for me 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.679 has always been to give that back, you know what, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.640 I mean, to establish a foundation where singer songwriters and 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.360 producers could go and get their opportunity at a twenty 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.600 plus year career, and that I could help facilitate that 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.960 in some way, shape or form. That's always been the 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.120 end goal. So you know, the album process takes a 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.520 lot of time away from that. This is you know, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.000 this is years in the making. Then a tour has 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.440 to go along with it, all of these things, and 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.520 it just keeps me away from that other thing that 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.440 I really want to get to, the mission and then acting. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.880 So you know, I do act. I have appeared on 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:47.760 a bunch of stuff, but I haven't been able to 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.680 put the time into it. You have to, you have to, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.440 they can't. The casting directors have to know that you're 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.560 available and that you're not going to go on tour 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.280 in the middle, in the middle of shooting. You know 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:00.920 what I'm saying. I got to take days when he's 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.240 available and only shoot those days of what They don't 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.720 want to deal with that, right, They want to know 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.280 that the actor is available for whatever needs to be done. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.000 That's sitting, that's all. And so I have to get 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.760 off this roll, get off this bus, get off this 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.200 plane and sit down and build these things in order 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.200 for you know, for me for my goals to be fulfilled. Yo, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.599 going deaf in one of your ears as an artist, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.080 does that change anything about your process? Like? Do you 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.000 like like because it feels like obviously that's such an 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.960 important component of for sure got to be scary too. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.960 It's scary at first, right because it's like I no 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.120 longer hear in stereo, you know what I mean, It's 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.400 all and then how do you process all of the 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.520 information in one ear? You know what I'm saying, From 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.640 music to voice to people talking, stuff moving, it's all 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.800 happening in one ear. And so yeah, it was an adjustment, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.359 I mean it. You know, I was off balance for 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.520 a long time, you know what I mean. And and 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.919 my first time on stage from going that was I 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.640 was at the Essence Essence Festival and literally almost tripped twice. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.880 So I have vertigo and I'm deaf in my right ear. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.920 So I'm like, I'm looking back, I can't really hear. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.240 I'm telling my guy, I'm pointing at my sound guy, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.520 like turned the vocal up or turned that down, turn 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.480 the vocal back down, turned no don't. I couldn't figure 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.920 it out. They didn't, nobody else knew it. But in 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.240 my mind, I'm like, am I off? Am I am? 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.760 I am? I am I sharp? And my flat like 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.200 I couldn't tell. So it took a minute to find 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.560 that's a balance. Oh it's a lot. Yeah. I get 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.200 some weight, so you be that fat dude on stage 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.520 on the couchle. What's crazy is that I did gain weight. 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:41.880 You can't tell fat dudeys physic That's what I showed you, guys. Yeah, 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.600 but but the medicine, I don't know if anybody knows 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.520 anything about pregnant zone, very very very nasty, stereoides, stereoid 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.040 and and you know it was it was to help 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.040 the nerves in my ear. But what it also does 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.080 it sends you into a depression, which I'm already depress 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.400 because I only got one ear and I don't know 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.039 what the hell, which just magnifies that, magnifies that, and 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.320 then I'm eating like ninety going north, Like I'm doing 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.960 sixty milligrams of presnis on a day. I'm eating from 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.040 sun up to sundown. Anybody knows me, I don't eat 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.520 a lot of food and I have chronic reflux to 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.800 go along with that. So I'm having to sleep sitting up. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:15.600 My stomach is out there here so that I won't 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.840 throw up on myself, sleep sitting up every night. It 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.960 was a process, man, and then trying to get back 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.719 in shape, and you know, it was it was. It 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.280 was one of the rare times where I was down mentally, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.599 physically and spiritually. That's rough, you know what I mean. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.200 And it's it's been. This album has been all of 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.120 that journey. It's been all of it. A lot of 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.960 that here, A lot of that is in there, you 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.360 know what I mean. And so now I can now 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.040 I'm in a place where I can say, yeah, I'm 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.440 ready to I'm ready to make that transition and I'm 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.400 happy to make it. So how did you climb out 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.280 of the depression and get back spiritually where you want 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.719 to be happy and to create again good people around me? Man? 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.360 My wife is you know, that's that's that's like my anchor, man, 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.960 She's She's just always there. You know what I'm saying. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.719 My wife is like the what do you need? Every 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.720 five minutes? What can I do? What can I do? 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.039 You know? My got Lulu, I got you Valentine just 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.440 always in my air. Bro you you got it. You 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.080 gotta got out of a strong circle. You know what 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.640 I'm saying. My guy John Gaines, who you know, started 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.760 started helping me build back physically, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.560 And mentally, you know what I'm saying, just saying, you 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.120 got you gotta push. This is your tank. You know 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.600 what I'm saying. Don't you think? Man? Like you said, 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.280 people love to see you with your shirt off. People 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.800 love to see the tips. And you know I can't 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.440 let the people down. You know what I'm saying. We 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:32.200 don't like seeing that titties a song, just surprised for 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.200 the wife. Bring tank out at the wedding on Saturday. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.320 I don't want this nigga nowhere near my wedding. If 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.560 I see. I'm not crying for the wrong reason. I'm here. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.760 It's sober before it started. I'm just setting you up, man, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.239 I'm here to set you up to knock it down. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.040 But I successfully. She liked fat dudes. Now so Ross 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.239 and DJ Cally. She's got no choice. She got no choice. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.080 Now they're a level because I've been trying to lose 0:07:58.080 --> 0:07:59.600 the same hundred rounds for like the last you know, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.760 I've been going to gym, been working with each other 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.440 for about a year and a half, and he's been 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.480 working out every morning at five am, and he looks 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.640 the same. Matter. In fact, I have a picture with 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.960 you from twenty thirteen and you haven't aged not a bit. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.360 And I keep agent. They say, black, don't crack, But 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.600 what happened with me? I'm I don't. I don't know 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:27.320 if you've cracked. She had. Yeah, it's it's not some 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.880 people have Tank and Dwight jeans and it's not the 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.880 it's not so much to work, bro, it's it's it's 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.319 the intake. You got to manage the intake. The diet. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.000 That's it. That's what. That's what they've been telling me 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.000 all this time. When they say it's eighty percent diet 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.960 twenty percent like working out, that's true, right, Yeah, you can. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.640 You can. There are diets where you don't have to 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.360 work out at all. What it does what you do? Yeah, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.400 what are those diets? There are Keto diets right now? Yeah, 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.440 we talked about keto every day. Twenty five pounds right now? Really? Yeah, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.920 I mean I also work out, but you know, because 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.800 you look like ship too, So this is wild there, Keto. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.120 There's also a carb free diet, you know what I mean, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.760 where you supplement your carbs in other ways. Maybe you 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.599 know Celsius energy drinks, that type of thing, and just 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.720 just rely on protein and veggies and and let it 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:27.640 burn that way. And and then there's and then there's uh, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.760 there's low calorie eating, you know what I mean. So 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.920 that's when you eat more times a day, but you 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.880 keep the calories load of smaller meals. Probably all the 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.079 respect was for you and everything, but I ain't listening 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.920 to none of that. And he also eats chocolates every night. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.640 Every night, he's fucking taking a weed brownie to go 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.439 to sleep. Without the edibles. You're an addict a kind 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.640 of connotation to it. You have to stop. It's you. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.839 It's you, buddy, it's the pandemic edibles, it's me. It's you. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.400 We're on the other side of the pandemic. You just 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:05.200 we before operating as if we're this to do you 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:10.000 at the end of the day. You getting married on Sunday, Saturday, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:16.959 right Saturday. Yeah, apparently somebody's happy with you and your decisions. Yeah, somebody. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.280 What he's said, he kiss him every day. Take. I 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.000 want to talk to you about R and B because 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.960 I feel like good R and B is still out there. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.480 But you know, when I was growing up, it was 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.120 your era. It was one twelve, it was Drew Hill, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.840 it was I mean, we can go on and on 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.840 and on. By the way, I missed the R and 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.959 B group dying dying art form for sure. For sure, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.439 the R and B group is something that I'm like, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.240 what's the R and B group when I was a 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.560 tagging edge? But I feel like there's very few people 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.560 still making the R and B I was listening to 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.400 when I was growing up at a high level. I 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.520 think you're obviously somebody like that. I loved Lama's album. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.840 What is your thoughts on just like the current state 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.360 of R and B and like some of them more 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.560 like I guess alternative arm because some stuff that's considered 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.640 R and B these days isn't really like what I 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.840 would consider R and B. Of course, does that make sense, 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.120 of course, but you have to consider what the kids 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.200 now that are doing R and B, what they grew 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.360 up on. You know, they grew up in a very 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.200 hip hop dominated society, right, you know what I mean? 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.200 And then not only that, they also had to live 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:33.880 with rappers, I guess, abandoning just regular rap and doing 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.160 all melody rap, right, and now they have to contend 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.480 with rappers using melody and actually being emotional. You know 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.680 what I'm saying. They baby mamas, you know, is out 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.319 of contruct all on the record. They got to shoot somebody, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.640 but then they got to go check on their baby mama. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.040 You know what I'm saying, who's not acting right? You 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.760 know what I'm saying, who might have been seeing the 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.439 guy they shot? You know, you know it's all murky 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:00.559 for us as male R and B singers grew up 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:06.240 on Jodasy boys to men. I'll be sure new addition, Bobby, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.280 That's what we grew up on. So that's what we emulated. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.400 That's what was mainstream. When you looked at the charts, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.840 that was topping the charts, and if you wanted to 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.880 be somebody, you had to be like that. When these 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.679 kids look at the charts and they wanted to be somebody, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.960 all they saw were rappers and there's future, there's juice world. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.520 So the land just got bigger. They're like, how do 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.360 we fit into that? And so it became more about 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:36.520 incorporating the things that were winning, the esthetic that looked 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.200 to be the mainstream in order to either fit in 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.400 that space or just be seen period, you know what 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.360 I mean. And there weren't enough. There weren't enough outlets 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:51.319 that were willing to preserve the traditional nuance of R 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.839 and B. They just weren't you know, they weren't willing 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.520 to play it. Take a ballot number one. They just weren't, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:57.920 you know what I mean. And so all of that 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.080 got pushed to an urban ac kind of thing which became. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.280 Which is this new radio category, Well now it's it's 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.000 it's R and B radio, right, they're making the transition 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.119 to make it younger, which has become. But and initially 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.560 it was an oldies kind of thing. It was oldies 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.040 and some new R and R and B sprinkled in 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.120 here and there. You could only get one record off 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.960 a year, you know what I mean. So our outlet 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.440 was just that they stopped, you know, they stopped having 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.040 an R and B hour in the clubs, you know 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.920 what I'm saying, The last hour where you could make 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:32.400 a decision on who you was going you know what 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.520 I'm saying, Who's going to tap? In with they stopped 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.600 having it, so we lost clubs, you know what I'm saying. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.480 We just started losing in so many different places. That 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.240 was like how do we fit in? How do we 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.560 keep up? We had to adapt their nuances and they're 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.920 slowly but surely we got away from what we grew 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.920 up on tradition. Shout out I want to shout out 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.880 money Long because she took a record to number one 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.240 at Urban and Rhythm and that was a very traditional 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:05.920 R and B, very traditional and very awesome for the 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.560 conversation because I was like, Yo, this is a real 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.880 R and B right, so that we can yell, kick, kick, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.840 and stomp and wave our flags and say, hey it works. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.200 Heartbreak Anniversary was a slower record that did really well. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.880 You know, he's got a crazy voice. But there's been 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.200 a few records that have been cutting it like it's like, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.240 you know, it's like they'll give us one a year 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.480 or one every six months, and we're like, yeah, that's cool, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.640 but you know, you you give them a hundred, you 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.520 give it. Where's the balance? So what you're retiring, do 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.440 you feel comfortable leav an R and B where it's 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.040 at right now? Do you think it's in good hand. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.760 I'm not leaving it to anybody. I'm going to recruit. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.760 He's got his imprint, right, I'm going to recruit. So 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.200 now it's time for me to go build the army 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.040 of the songwriters and producers and artists who will feel 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.640 the void. And it's about grabbing the one that have 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.320 the nuances that I grew up on, right, you know 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.040 what I mean. I'm I'm looking for wavy artists, you 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.600 know what I'm saying, who can tap in and do 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.000 both and who have the trap and the all. I'm 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.120 tapping into all of that. But I'm also looking for 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.840 the R and B singer. That's a that's a different one. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.200 The R and B singer has to actually be able 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.960 to sing right. Also shot out to like if you 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.640 think about like today, like back in the day. And 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.720 I say this because the New Division record is a 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.520 great record produced by Jermaine Dupria JD. Be Cox, absolutely 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.880 so if you think of you know, ninety eight ninety nine, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.680 there was like these like mainstays of like R and 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.000 B production where it was like and I feel like 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.200 maybe the closest person to that that's like craft in 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.280 like dope hit records that have R and B vibes. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.040 I mean, I think hit Maker is doing a pretty 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.600 decent job at it, like but outside of like I 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.280 don't know if we have that Jermaine dupri of like 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.680 the new era and traditional art, right, I mean, I 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.880 do it for myself, like Mustard's done some dope shit 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.480 for Lma, you know what I mean, but in terms 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.480 of like nothing traditional, right, But you hear what I'm saying, 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.280 Like back in the day we have like you know, 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.440 even like Diddy and the Hitmen were. I do it 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.840 for myself, but with the time, I need to be 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.840 able to do it for other people, right right, you 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.560 know what I mean. I produce and write that for 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.400 myself because that's what I have time to do, right, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:31.040 But now I have to, like you said, who's the 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:36.320 go to producer that can bring R and B at 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.400 least some of the nuances of traditional R and B 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.520 into twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. That's what I do, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.720 But I do it just for me. Hey, we got 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.640 to stop the interview real quick. Tell you about our 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.800 good folks at odds socks. Listen, go to odd socksoficial 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.600 dot com. 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You gotta love 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.120 Kevin Ross, who needs way more flowers? Who needs way 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:09.359 more looks? You gotta love even some of the unsigned 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:15.439 acts who are out here going crazy. What's my guy, 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.440 Avery Wilson? You know, if you listen to that guy 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.399 saying like he's he should be he should really be 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.879 on the radio keeping the bar high, extremely high for 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.360 vocal ability. You know what I'm saying. Of course I'm 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:37.120 listening to Beyonce. She's She's beyond. Who's your R and B? 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:41.400 Mount Rushmore? If you have to choose the four rush 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:48.480 More the Mount h Yeah, Wow, you want to go deep. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.959 That's what we're going. By the way, I'd like to 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.240 just point out the rules of this. Anything that happened 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.320 in their personal life out the window, move forward. I 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.080 know what I did, favorite tame Bro. I just want 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:03.960 to I just want to be clear that there's one 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:09.080 slot that should be Allocant, a really terrible guy, but 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:15.800 he deserves to be up there only. Okay, this is 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.920 a room only. So now with that being said, who 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.320 is your Mount Rushmore of R and B. Mount Rushmore 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:29.200 of R and B. Stupid Mount Rushmore of R and B. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:47.920 Marvin Gay Okay, Beyonce O, Michael Jackson, Okay, just say 0:19:47.920 --> 0:20:01.240 his name? Go ahead? Where is stead of why you whispering? 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:11.280 You know, just god, just say it. Kelly Kelly, Yeah, yeah, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:16.040 art only. Obviously, I still listen. You know, it's crazy. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.160 It's crazy because I love R. Kelly so much. Obviously 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.800 his music. I love his music. I'm like fucking hardcore 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.919 R Kelly fan. Yeah, I still get his ship off 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.800 at the end of the night when I'm dejaying, like 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.639 at the club and nobody says ship you drop that 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:36.879 fucking the morning I've been in the none of you 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.160 gonna say a few a bunch of clubs play step 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.119 in the name a little at your well. That was 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.280 that was actually a question asked, can we play R Kelly? 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.200 I said, yeah, just we're gonna be drinking anybody anybody 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.400 at that point time. I think I think everybody, you know, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.000 everybody wants to be right in this conversation, right, and 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.360 I think I think everybody should be left to operate 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.199 or feel however they want to feel. You have so 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.639 many people that believe, hey, I just love the music, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.760 and you're okay to believe that. You have some people 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.080 that feel like, oh, the music is is connected to 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.200 all of these bad things. You're allowed to believe that. 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.760 But condemning, condemning either side that side, we are so 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.480 extreme right now, that's not the We don't have to 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.439 agree on something. We don't have to agree. You can 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:27.040