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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and we are now past the fourth of

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Speaker 2: July and heading into I think I saw something. Today

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Speaker 2: is exactly two months to the start of the season.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, I mean a little over two weeks to

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Speaker 3: start a camp. So things are happening quickly going along

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Speaker 3: here right, un last months long?

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Speaker 2: It certainly is not. And Matt, I'm looking here at

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Speaker 2: a piece on CBS Sports where they ranked the top

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Speaker 2: ten dynasties. Oh wow in NFL history, And I want

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Speaker 2: to roll through these and we'll look at these and

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Speaker 2: then when they go pre Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't but I mean, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think that they did good. That doesn't look like it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I can't comment on them the Super Bowl, Okay, good

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Speaker 2: Number ten for them was the Miami Dolphins from seventy

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Speaker 2: to seventy four. And they include some of the pre Super.

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Speaker 3: Bowl okay, like Winnackers at least or an overflow?

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Speaker 2: Is that that strong?

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Speaker 3: I mean to theay the tenth, number ten. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean it's not the greatest one. I mean that's greasy,

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Speaker 3: I assume, and you know Shula's making his bones and yeah,

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Speaker 3: no name defense and undefeated season and all that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean they were really good all through the seventies.

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Speaker 2: Number nine is the Washington Now Commanders Gibbs nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: two through nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I mean so I'm sure there's we have some

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Speaker 3: young listeners, new listeners that don't remember these eras all

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Speaker 3: that well. I mean I don't remember that Dolphin team.

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Speaker 3: I was one when they were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in that time period, they won seventeen playoff games,

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Speaker 2: four conference titles, in all three of the franchise's Super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and with different quarterbacks each time. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 3: I was going to note. There is I think when

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Speaker 3: you look at all time great coaches, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: Gibbs should be won, but he's probably higher up the

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Speaker 3: list than he should then often given credit. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: At number eight, the Cowboys from seventy to seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they're probably on there twice. Then it's a long era,

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Speaker 3: but they end up with two Super Bowls. In that

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Speaker 3: stretch lost three others, well, lah three others. People forget

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Speaker 3: this about the Cowboys. I mean they were the Bills

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Speaker 3: for a long tih huh. I mean in terms of boy,

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Speaker 3: they can't win the big one, but they get to

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Speaker 3: the big one and they're really, really good. There was

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Speaker 3: a long stretch of Landry's legacy where didn't win. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they have a lot of super losses.

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Speaker 2: The number seven franchise on here is the Oakland slash

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Speaker 3: Boy, that's a stretch. Yeah, but they weren't bad at

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Speaker 3: any point.

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Speaker 2: Really, seventeen years, they won eleven titles, fifteen playoff berths,

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Speaker 2: captured one AFL title, so they did include a pre

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Speaker 3: Awful lot of Hall of Famers in that stretch to

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Speaker 3: and Al Davis at his peak. And I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: said this on the air many times that I was

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Speaker 3: groomed as a Steeler fan that you hate those Raider

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Speaker 3: Oilers or any of the Division fos or even the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Pretty darn good group. But a certain team in the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys on the one side. You had the Raiders there

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Speaker 3: Dolphins were already involved rightly, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, uh, Number six is the Cowboys from ninety one

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Speaker 3: I tend to agree, And I don't think that the

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Speaker 3: version that beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl was

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Speaker 2: No they weren't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a really good team at the

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Speaker 2: Five is the current Kansas City Chiefs from twenty eighteen on.

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Speaker 3: I think they should be ahead of everyone mentioned. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's your floor.

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Speaker 2: Bredarn Good at number four, the forty nine ers from

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Speaker 3: Four, because I wonder if there will be two sections.

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Speaker 2: Of Niners said the same era of the games pretty

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Speaker 3: The Gibbs era, the not Gibbs Walsh, I'm saying Washington. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like in the seventies and eighties, teams

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Speaker 2: But that didn't start until ninety three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it's really changed things. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: even like the Dolphins deep into the seventies were playoff

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Speaker 3: is pretty great. I mean, go from Montana to Young

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Speaker 3: battling against Dallas, battling against Washington Parcels Giants were in

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Speaker 2: Number three, the Packers from sixty to sixty seven, so

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Speaker 3: Going pre Okay, I don't know how the Browns don't

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Speaker 2: I mean they weren't whatever.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know Packer history well enough. I'm

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Speaker 3: shocked that doesn't go. Does that going into the two

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They went ninety eight, thirty and four, nine and one

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Speaker 3: And we're talking about Lombardi and Star Yeah, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 2: Number two the Pittsburgh Steelers from seventy two to seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: Four and six years is pretty darn strong. Hall of

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Speaker 2: And number one on here. They get the Patriots from

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Speaker 3: Kind of cheating but kind of they should be on

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Speaker 2: I mean it was like ten years between winning Super

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I probably would do it that way too. I

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Speaker 3: mean they had some long stretches of niners. I mean

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Speaker 3: unbelievably impressive because two decades of great play and super

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Speaker 3: But they are almost two entirely different teams. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, So some of the teams

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Speaker 2: So what do you do with the teams like the Vikings.

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Speaker 3: The Bills, Bills and Vikings that bring up?

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Speaker 2: how about the Steelers from two thousand and five to

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven. Right, you went, you went to three super

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Speaker 3: Is that much different than Dallas? Not really, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: if they wouldn't one of them, they're on there. Right.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like if Scott Norwoods field goal is good?

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Speaker 3: They changed the way the game was played. With the

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Speaker 3: that we might just miss. I did mention the Parcel Giants.

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Speaker 3: They were pretty strong. They were strong too with LT and.

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Speaker 2: You know, beat that Bills team in a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think people look at the Steelers stretch

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Speaker 3: You've brought this up many times in that same light,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's noteworthy, right.

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Speaker 2: Like people when people talk about great defenses, that eight

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Speaker 3: Mentioned, never mentioned. No, you're right.

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Speaker 2: They led the league in everything I think except for

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Speaker 3: And that they were second, right, Yeah, that that era

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Speaker 3: an absolute dominant franchise.

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Speaker 3: And some of it overlapped with the Patriots, of course,

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Speaker 3: which doesn't help. I mean I think it hurts.

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Speaker 2: But some of these there's a lot of overlapping.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're almost asking me seventies is only

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Speaker 3: about fourth or you know about four teams? Yeah, dominated everything,

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Speaker 3: eighties and in the nineties. Yeah. I do think that

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Speaker 3: that Steeler era that you brought up is a lot

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Speaker 3: less appreciated than it should be.

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Speaker 2: I think for most franchises that would be their crowning.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like, oh, we went to three super Bowls

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Speaker 3: How about it? I think one super Bowl? But how

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I like you enough. It wasn't like it

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Speaker 3: But they did overcome the Tyree cops.

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Speaker 2: That's one guy, that's why not not when if three guys,

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Speaker 3: I mean, could they do four and six years? Crazy?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, right, yeah, you know four and seven or something

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Daale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt. As we sit here just a less than

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Speaker 2: three weeks out from training camp, still looking around the internet,

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing an over under of seven and a half

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Speaker 3: I thought that bumped up, but still seems really low.

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Speaker 2: Depends on where you're looking at a lot of spots

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Speaker 2: I bet that, and I don't. I just don't get it.

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Speaker 3: I don't either. I mean if I were, hey, Matt,

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Speaker 3: harp on the schedule. You know the division and the schedule.

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Speaker 3: But this isn't new for this team, you know, it's not.

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Speaker 2: I can make a serious argument that the Steelers are

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Speaker 3: I think they easily are in the division. I think

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Speaker 3: the Ravens went backwards. Yeah, Browns are about the same.

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm kind of focusing on like their safeties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean their draft was fine, but you didn't

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Speaker 2: They were so bad they were.

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Speaker 2: What you're doing all summer if you didn't, you know,

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Speaker 3: No Raiders are no Chiefs kind of holding, you know,

440
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Speaker 3: Olden steady. Yeah, I mean they did a little bit

441
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 3: of tackle and Tennessee would be what they they got

442
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 3: rid of sneed and yeah, yeah, yeah, they lost some things.

443
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 3: I would say Tennessee, Houston, Pittsburgh are the three most

444
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 3: improved AFC team.

445
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: And yet the Steelers over under win total is lower.

446
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 2: They won ten games last year. Yeah, throwing thirteen touchdown passes.

447
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 3: It's remarkable. I mean, like the fact that they're gonna

448
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 3: throw or we predict or hope they're gonna be back

449
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 3: to throwing touchdown passes, right, you know, like they haven't

450
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: won many games, or they've won a lot of games.

451
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 3: If there's such a thing as wins versus touchdown pass ratio,

452
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 3: it's broke the chart. You go to the last fifty

453
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: games even or the last you know, a nice stretch here.

454
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 3: I mean, they broke that that chart. I mean, one

455
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: thing that is really really predictive, turnover is really high.

456
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 3: But yards per pass is one of the things that's

457
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 3: most stable and predictive for wins. I bet Steelers aren't

458
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 3: super high on that the last couple of years. And still, man,

459
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 3: it's gonna go up, is my point. Yeah.

460
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Speaker 2: I saw, you know, one of the reasons. I was

461
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: reading one of these websites and they were talking about

462
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: why you should take the Steelers under Well, they went

463
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: nine and two in one score games last year. That

464
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: can't keep up, right, And you know they they you know,

465
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 2: won in spite of themselves, and they want you know,

466
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 2: they're going to return to the mean Mike Tomlin can't possibly.

467
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: That's that's the only reason anybody would look at this

468
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: team and go, yeah, they're gonna go over seven and

469
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: a half wins because Mike Tomlin never has a losing season. Yeah, yeah,

470
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: aren't you looking at what they did with the roster,

471
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: right right.

472
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Speaker 3: Right right? Again? The one score game thing is great,

473
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: we broke that down. I think Monday that I get it.

474
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: If you're a blanket and analyst and you don't even

475
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 3: care what team it is, chances are you're going to

476
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: go closer to five hundred and one score games, whether

477
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 3: you were one and seven, seven and one, whatever it is.

478
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: But he's different. Yeah, I mean, in such proof.

479
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: I mean, the other thing that was brought up was was, well,

480
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: they went five and one in the division last year.

481
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: That can't happen again either, right, And I said, well

482
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: why not? They've They've done that every time, right, they.

483
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Speaker 3: Do it all. They're the second most division wins or

484
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: third most since the last eight years, right in old league,

485
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 3: I mean behind the Chiefs in Dallas.

486
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Speaker 2: I mean, these are things that they have done, yeah,

487
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: overy lengthy period of time here.

488
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 3: So I love analytics and I they're a tool, though

489
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 3: you can't just lean on them. I mean there's I

490
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: forget who it is, but there's one of the real

491
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: analytic nerds on Twitter, and my apologies goes by at

492
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: context matters because you got to look into each thing.

493
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, these are great on a spreadsheet, and

494
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 3: that's really interesting. And these trends matter over the course

495
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 3: of the last twenty years in the NFL, but there's

496
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: teams that buck the trend, and I think the Steelers

497
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: bucked the trend more than any team in the league. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: I mean really do in terms of edging out wins

499
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 3: that you quote shouldn't get by annaly reasons, you know.

500
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: Ye, it's finding ways. I mean you just think back

501
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 2: to last year when people were talking about, well, yeah, yeah,

502
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: they've won eight games, but they've they've been out at

503
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 2: the gained in every one of those games. Who cares.

504
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

505
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kept saying that. I'm like, what difference does

506
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: it make? They could have, For example, the game against

507
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 2: the Raiders, they had going into the fourth quarter one

508
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: hundred more yards in the Raiders. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they

509
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 2: were dominating that game, and the Raiders come back and

510
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: end up beating them by the twenty yards or whatever.

511
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: But the Steelers won the game by you know, easily.

512
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Speaker 3: One thing about the point differential, I don't think this

513
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: team ever, even Ben Bell Brown, your are gonna throw

514
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: unnecessary touchdowns.

515
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Speaker 2: That the only time I can ever right, Yeah, it

516
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: was so noteworthy that I remember it. I believe it

517
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: was the twenty fifteen season and Luck's second year in

518
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: the league. Steelers are playing the Colts, and the Steelers

519
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: are up two or three scores in the fourth quarter,

520
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: and Tomlin kept the foot on the gas. Yeah, And

521
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: he was asked about it. That's the game he said,

522
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: I'm looking over on the other sideline at that guy

523
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 2: saying we better keep scoring.

524
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: He's scary.

525
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: And I think they I think they ended up winning

526
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: the game is like fifty one to thirty four.

527
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's not many times even when they're clearly

528
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: the better team then it ends up that way too.

529
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: They want to play I don't want to play games

530
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: like that, No.

531
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Speaker 3: And it's also room for air and they're usually a

532
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: physical team, and you kind of touched on it, and it's

533
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: something that's blown me away. That's a lot of this

534
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: Tomlin research lately. I mean, we've both been digging into

535
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: stuff this whole month. The fact that they have more

536
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: wins when they're trailing going into the fourth quarter. It's

537
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: so much more than everybody else. It can't be an accident,

538
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like one of those games

539
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: an accident. Sure, two of those losses an accident one

540
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: of them, you know. But the fact that, like since

541
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: he has three and the Steelers have fifteen, it's they're

542
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: built on a massive differences to the head coach. And

543
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: I think some of it's conditioning and toughness late in

544
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: games and physicality that means more in the fourth quarter

545
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: than the first, you.

546
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Speaker 2: Know, And I think some of it. I think a

547
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: lot of it really is, you know, when he talks

548
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: about situational football, and they work on situational football constantly,

549
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: you know, throughout the course, not just in training camp. Yeah,

550
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: OTA's mini camp. That stuff's a year round with them,

551
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: and so I think when they get into situations where it's, oh,

552
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 2: we got to we need this first down. Yeah, yeah,

553
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: they've done it, you know, twelve times, you know, in

554
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: a week leading up to this that okay, we we did.

555
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: We did.

556
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: Put our defense back on the field. Right now, we

557
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: at least need to get a first down and punt

558
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: and you know, eat one more minute so they can

559
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: drink eight or eight or whatever. Yeah, the little things

560
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: like that. So, I know, we talked about being the show.

561
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: There was the era that Tomlin took over that they

562
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: were potentially a you know, in the dominant stratus here.

563
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about some of the best dynasties ever.

564
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: But in some ways, and I know, the playoff success

565
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: is not there. The last like four years are as

566
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: impressive as any stretch to me and Tom win history

567
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: because so many times in the history of the league

568
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: you'd be like, well, when Landry got Staubach or when Shulamarno,

569
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But when you lost ben

570
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: Or you not even include the last year of Ben

571
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: Or and the duck year, you know, I mean, there's

572
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: not a top ten quarterback anywhere to be found, you

573
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And you're still not hitting Rock Boss.

574
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: The Patriots of hit Rock Boss.

575
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Speaker 2: It's very much akin to say, the twenty eleven through

576
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen seasons when they were rebuilding the defense, when

577
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: all those stars from the Super Bowl team moving on

578
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: was gone. You still had Ben, you had drafted a

579
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: B so you had that. You bring in Levy on Bell,

580
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: but the defense was nowhere near what it had been

581
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: because you just couldn't replace those guys.

582
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Speaker 3: One side of the ball was much better than the other.

583
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: And if you look at Tomlin history, they played a

584
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: little differently that during.

585
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: That stre and they go in play a game against

586
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: the you know, the Colts, and they say we're gonna

587
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: put fifty one on the board.

588
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were capable, and they were capable. I

589
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: mean the last year your Steelers, if the if the

590
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: only way to win the game is putting fifty one

591
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: on the board, you're not going that game, you know

592
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: what I mean, right, you don't have that card in

593
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: your hand, right, all right?

594
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think they're getting still be still

595
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: being sold short.

596
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: It's a low number. It's a low number. I mean

597
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: eight and a half one hundred percent understand. Yeah, seven

598
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: and a half low.

599
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would again I to me that that's you know,

600
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: getting to getting to eight's almost a given.

601
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: Pretty close. I mean, you know we've mentioned well, I

602
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: mean you can always mention, well, what if catastrophe hits

603
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: with injuries, catastre hit with DJ Watt for the majority

604
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: of a season, you lost Ben for a whole year.

605
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: I mean, like we've seen.

606
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: That, you didn't have Hayward, you didn't have Friar move

607
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: for large stretches last year, didn't have making for large

608
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: stretches last year, your your linebacker position got wrecked.

609
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hasn't like that. It hasn't been like they've

610
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: been super fortunate with injuries over the stretch. Yeah, there

611
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: was a stretch there for like five years when McVeigh

612
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: started that the Rams were for whatever reason, maybe THEIRS

613
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: sports signs is just great. They were like the healthiest

614
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: team in the league year after year after year.

615
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: It's like, what is.

616
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: Going on here? And then they bottomed out, I mean,

617
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: had a terrible year with injuries, you know, but and

618
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: then the Rams are terrible. But the Steelers have been

619
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: probably in the bottom third of injuries over the last

620
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: five years.

621
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Speaker 2: I mean they coul hit pretty hard and despite the

622
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: yeah who who they lost?

623
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: Who they lost?

624
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: Right, and she'll find ways to win?

625
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

626
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: You know, so I think that's.

627
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: Finding ways to win. I mean I think that's the

628
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: theme here.

629
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: I continue to look back at that twenty nineteen season

630
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: and that's the one to me that like, I can't

631
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: fathom that team.

632
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean getting the.

633
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: You know, they were eight and five going into that

634
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: game against the Bills. Yeah, they win that game. They're

635
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: sitting in a you know, pretty good.

636
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: For the playoffs, right, Yeah, that's a statement to say

637
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: the least.

638
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: You want to talk about having to play a certain way, Yeah,

639
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: that team had to play a certain way, and everybody

640
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: bought in.

641
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: Like what would the win total be in Vegas on

642
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: that team if you knew what was going to happen.

643
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: You're not gonna have Roethlisberger this year? What's your record?

644
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: Four wins, four and a half something like that, right, Yeah,

645
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: it would be top five pick. He's definitely picking.

646
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: The said, you know when they made the trade for Mickey,

647
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: why are they doing that when they're going to be

648
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: this season is a wash? You don't have Ben, It

649
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: wasn't at all. So I just think there's a lot

650
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: of evidence, a lot of evidence, and I just don't

651
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: get this whole idea that you know, well, they're due

652
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: to have a losing season.

653
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: That doesn't matter. You're flipping a coin and it comes

654
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: up heads one hundred times of road's due to be

655
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: tails for a.

656
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Chance, if you're looking at almost two decades of a

657
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Speaker 2: head coach finding ways to win games that probably shouldn't win.

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna say a blanket statement, it should the opposite.

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Speaker 3: Not there due to have a losing bad season. They

660
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Speaker 3: don't really do have those bad bad season. That doesn't

661
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Speaker 3: mean it can't happen, right, They could have a losing

662
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Speaker 3: they could the worst team the league this year. It

663
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Speaker 3: can be the best team in the league. But history

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Speaker 3: is pretty strong in this group. And it's not a

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Speaker 3: new coach, new quarterback situation either. You know, there's changes,

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Speaker 3: but I think they're positive ones too. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 3: why they think, you know, yeah, coordinator quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely he is. Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie. You're

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Speaker 2: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna take another break. We'll be back with more right after.

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Speaker 1: This, he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back on Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and this is the Drive one Steelers Nation Radio and

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Speaker 2: Matt Trevor Sakama. Yeah, he's on the show during.

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Speaker 3: The uh big draft guy stuff too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. On Pro Football Focus, is ranked the starting quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: in the league from thirty two to thirty or thirty

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Speaker 2: two to two one. Okay, so let's take a look

681
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Speaker 2: at this and see where the Steelers situation comes in.

682
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Speaker 2: At thirty two, he has the Broncos with Jared Sidam

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Speaker 2: and bow Nicks.

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Speaker 3: So they're doing by team here. Yeah, how did the

685
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Speaker 3: Raiders last?

686
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Minshew's Minshew. You know what Minshew is.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's great, right right, but I think

688
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Speaker 2: he's the twenty eighth best.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback in the year. I was gonna should have phrased

690
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Speaker 3: it a different way, like I would rather go forward

691
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Speaker 3: with the Bronco group than the Raider group.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm like because I don't

693
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Speaker 2: love Bonnicks.

694
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Speaker 3: I don't love Bucks either, but I do. I just

695
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: don't think there's an answer. In Vegas there might be

696
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Speaker 3: an answer.

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Speaker 2: And then Minshew is young enough that maybe he gets better.

698
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Speaker 2: I don't know. He's starting to good receivers.

699
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Speaker 3: He's starting good receivers. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: He has more to I think he has more to

701
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Speaker 2: work with this year than what he had last year

702
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Speaker 2: in Indy.

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00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: I do too. I do too, especially with Bowers now there. Yeah, yeah,

704
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: I do too.

705
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: You got Jacobe Meyer, you get Devanta Adams like he is,

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Speaker 2: he has good targets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Michael Bayer and yeah, it's not bad

708
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Speaker 3: at all. Lines kind of rebuilt too. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Thirty one is Sam Donald, JJ McCarthy.

710
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Speaker 3: All these rookies are tough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I mean in both of those situations

712
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Speaker 2: that the veteran could wind up. And I called Stidham

713
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Speaker 2: a veteran. Yeah, barely.

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Speaker 3: I give Nicks a better chance of opening. Yeah, I

715
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Speaker 3: do the season than Drake or in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, McCarthy's because everybody hates the drink.

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00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: It's Drake. Two guys, though, I think are good. Play Well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about Donald. I know, I know we're

719
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Speaker 3: going to the Patriots sooner than later. But I know

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Speaker 3: Brissett's pretty good. Yeah, Like, I'll take Risett over Minshew.

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Speaker 3: I think Donald could be better than all three of

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Speaker 3: those guys.

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Speaker 2: But he just hadn't shown.

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Speaker 3: How do you rank him? You know? Right at thirty

725
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Speaker 3: is the Raiders with they O'Connell, Gardner, Minshew and O'Connell

726
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Speaker 3: wasn't terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at twenty nine is Daniel Jones with

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Speaker 2: the Giants?

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Speaker 3: Does he get a bum rap? I'm not a fan,

730
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Speaker 3: but boy, he is the whipping boy. I mean, anything

731
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Speaker 3: that goes wrong in New York is his fault. It

732
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Speaker 3: wasn't great. I mean, I'm not saying is the answer.

733
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Speaker 3: I don't think Drew Locke has a little bit of

734
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Speaker 3: way too. Like that's the second team that's really gone

735
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Speaker 3: out of their way to go get Drew lock I

736
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Speaker 3: mean we're talking about the bomb of the league type stuff.

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Speaker 2: Those are the Tier seven guys in OK. Moving on

738
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Speaker 2: to Tier six at twenty eight, Will Levis Daniel Jones

739
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Speaker 2: should be ahead of Will Levis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I mean Rudolph's nice two. I mean we're

741
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Speaker 3: gonna talk about Rooums.

742
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Speaker 2: This Tier six is titled the next generation. So you're

743
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Speaker 2: gonna get younger. You get something younger, guys, real quick.

744
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Because this applies to the Steelers. Is on the thirty

745
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: third team today. There's a pretty sense of right up

746
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Speaker 2: on Levis. And the crux of the article is he.

747
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Speaker 3: Has a fatal flaw is that he initiates pressure and

748
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: godly number he really did as a rookie. And like

749
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Speaker 3: there's a chart on there that says what percentage of

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Speaker 3: pass attempts, not dropbacks, pass attempts were quote under pressure,

751
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Speaker 3: and he was number one by a million. But Russell

752
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: Wilson was two. And I know that the knock on

753
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: Wilson as he holds the football. Yeah, but it's different

754
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Speaker 3: than Levis. To me, he holds the football, makes play, Yeah, exactly,

755
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: like when we get to Wilson. I I just wanted

756
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Speaker 3: to bring this up at some point of the course

757
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Speaker 3: of the show today. I looked at that as a positive,

758
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Speaker 3: like he's not going to be second this year in

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Speaker 3: most pressured pass attempts in the season, No way, in,

760
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Speaker 3: no way. Plus at Denver Line's built for run blocking.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven Jayden Daniels, Yeah, we can almost skip over

762
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Speaker 2: some of these twenty six is ja Kobe Brissett, Drake May.

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Speaker 2: I want if that shouldn't have been in the.

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Speaker 3: I think he's better than those guys. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five is Bryce Young.

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Speaker 3: He shouldn't be there, but he deserves to be there.

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Speaker 2: And twenty four is Anthony Richardson has.

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Speaker 3: To be in there. Yeah, it has to be in that.

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams apparently isn't. I don't know that. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Daniels should be in that category and Williams shouldn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Tier five is can single handedly win and lose games

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Speaker 2: at twenty three is Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the right category, but

775
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Speaker 3: he has to be at the bottom of it. Yeah,

776
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Speaker 3: you knows their rooms better than all the teams we mentioned.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would roll the dice with Richardson or

778
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Speaker 3: a couple of the young guys out of the Cleveland room.

779
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Speaker 3: But in terms of like tears and categories, Yeah, twenty

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Speaker 3: two is Russell Wilson figured to be in that neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: I would give Fields some credit though too, if we're

782
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Speaker 3: talking about the entire room. I mean he has a

783
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Speaker 3: little bit of way.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one is Derek Carr. Oh, I'd rather Wilson than Carr.

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Speaker 3: I would too. I think Wilson definitely had a better year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know everyone scrutinized the offensive coordinator around here, but

787
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Speaker 3: I do think the change in New Orleans is gonna

788
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 3: be good for everyone. They were a hard offense to watch,

789
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: but he didn't. He did the opposite though it and

790
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: everything was checked down, don't take risks. He was a

791
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: hard guy to watching him, so.

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Speaker 2: That was really hard to Yeah, I mean that would

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Speaker 2: Kamara have that one game like eighteen catches right, and.

794
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Speaker 3: Carr was very happy. Yes, my completion percentage up and.

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Speaker 2: Twenty is Baker Mayfield. He did some of the same

796
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Speaker 2: yeah stuff last year. That Rashad White catches a ton

797
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: of balls. I'm gonna throw the ball up down the sideline.

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Speaker 3: The Mike Evans like I would be nervous. He turns

799
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: into a pumpkin, especially with the offense coordinator leaving. But

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00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: he had a better year than Wilson or Carr. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. On the list,

802
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, for list reasons. They did so.

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Speaker 2: They gave him credit for twenty five big time throws.

804
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: But he also had twenty two turnover worthy throws.

805
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have not seen these numbers. It's one

806
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: of the things I liked that I want to pay

807
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Speaker 3: attention to. Is I bet he was one of the

808
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: luckier guys interception luck Yeah, yeah, I bet that his

809
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: turnover worthy throws has a pretty big gap from his

810
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: interceptions that he paid for.

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Speaker 2: The next tier is four, and that is the melting

812
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Speaker 2: pot of starters. Okay, and kicking that off from the

813
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Speaker 2: bottom is Caleb Williams, giving him.

814
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Speaker 3: A little more credit than he probably deserves the stage,

815
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: But okay, I mean, would Bryce Young have been there

816
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: a year ago? Right by that logic?

817
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: Eighteen is Gino Smith.

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Speaker 3: He would be at the bottom of that list. I

819
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: think Gdo and Baker about the same though. Yeah, I

820
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: kind of think we are what they are and some

821
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Speaker 3: years be a little better than the others and we'll

822
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Speaker 3: be okay.

823
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Speaker 2: You know, seventeen is Kyler Murray.

824
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: I would have him much higher. Let's see him for me.

825
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm starting a team. He wouldn't be

826
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: my style. But I mean we didn't think he was

827
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Speaker 3: gonna play at all last year, missed a huge portion

828
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Speaker 3: of the season.

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Speaker 2: I thought I played pretty well. Sixteen is Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean that's the he's gonna be with Tua

831
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Speaker 3: and Cousins and these type of dudes.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen is Cousins, okay, Fourteen is Tua.

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00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm glad to all three of them are right next

834
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: to each other. And I don't know who I like

835
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 3: the best of that group.

836
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Speaker 2: Thirteen is Brock Purty. Yeah, twelve was Trevor.

837
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: Lawrence side notes, and I don't even know that I

838
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: have a take on it. Is Brock Purty a better

839
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: quarterback than Tua? I don't know. That's why I threw

840
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: it out there. I don't know. I really don't who

841
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: was ahead of Yeah, who was ahead of party?

842
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence? And then eleven is Jordan Love.

843
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: I'm still betting on both those guys. I'll take the

844
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: Pepsi challenge that they'll both be higher a year from now.

845
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: But I see why they're there.

846
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: I could make the argument that with a good with

847
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: a good season, Baker Mayfield, Derek Carr, Russell Wilson could.

848
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: All be in that yeah and maybe yeah, yeah category

849
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: it maybe strive to be and really aren't that far off?

850
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Is there any difference between them and Gino smith.

851
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 3: No, I thought Geno Smiths had been down a peg.

852
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: But if you're or the other way, I look at

853
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: us like you said, maybe they should all be up

854
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 3: a peg.

855
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean professional quarterbacks, right, uh yeah,

856
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: because any one of these other guys could win or

857
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: lose you in the game as well, and he just can.

858
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 3: None of those guys you mentioned, Baker's the one I

859
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: trust the least.

860
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Moving into the next category here, the top three

861
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: or tier three is the postseason caliber quarterback.

862
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: Okay, it's fair.

863
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: And you got C. J. Stroud at ten.

864
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, only going up.

865
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Speaker 2: I would imagine Jalen Hurts at nine.

866
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I think a year ago, a

867
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: lot of people had him like four or five. I

868
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: thought that was a little rich.

869
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers at eight.

870
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, how do you rank Rogers? I mean,

871
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: last time I saw him, he was an MVP. I

872
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: mean last time we saw him saw him, you know,

873
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: not four snaps, and I don't care about hard knocks

874
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: or whatever. But now he's old and coming back from

875
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: a massive injury. I don't know where I put him.

876
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: I mean, should he be ahead of Stroud and Lawrence

877
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 3: and love not for like fantasy reasons, but for who's

878
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: the guy I guess, so I think he's earned that.

879
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: Seven is Matthew Stafford. Okay, I think he's the best

880
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: quarterback the NFC. And apparently they have six is Dak Prescott. Yeah,

881
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: so they're.

882
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: Right next to each other. Uh. At five, Justin Herbert

883
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: is Justin Herbert at postseason caliber quarterback because quite frankly,

884
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: we haven't seen it a whole lot.

885
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: No, but I think he could take you there. I mean,

886
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: like hypothetical, you swap out Russ for Herbert, their winding

887
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: total goes to eleven.

888
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah in Vegas, No, I get it. Yeah, Yeah, I

889
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: think the player is great. I just don't know that

890
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: the Chargers have done him any favors at all.

891
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: No, not at all. Lawrence is striving to get to

892
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: that point.

893
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: There's just a long history for the Chargers. I mean foults.

894
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Herbert really one, right, you know before he got hurt,

895
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, right, and.

896
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: The guy they go to the the guy they go

897
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl with his Stan Humphrey.

898
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. And it wasn't like they have guys

899
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: to throw to an insane group around him and Tomlinson

900
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: and Gates, and I mean it's been stars around the offense.

901
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: I'm a big Herbert guy. Herbert or Stafford, though, I mean,

902
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: who's a better player? Now, I might take Stafford, I

903
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 3: might take Stafford.

904
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: I'd probably think Dak Prescott over him.

905
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, Prescott's asked to do a lot. Yeah.

906
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: Tier two the elite, Okay, that is Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

907
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson.

908
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: Allen's definitely my two four Yeah, okay, that was in.

909
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: Is Allen your two?

910
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: I mean I get putting Lamar and Burrow ahead of him.

911
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: I get it, like they don't turn the ball over

912
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: like he does, except when they're playing the Steelers.

913
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: No, that's definitely true. That's the knock on Allen. Yeah,

914
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: he can do things that they can't. They can do

915
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: things he can't do.

916
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean Lamar can put the Superman cape on

917
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: like Alan can and run around and make plays. Allen's

918
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: the better thrower.

919
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: Yes, that's I was gonna say. Is his accuracy at

920
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: all levels keeps going up and up and up. I

921
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: mean like he wasn't even a great like short passer.

922
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 2: To me, Alan versus Burrow. Now we're talking a little

923
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: bit more of a you know, they both throw the ball. Well, yeah,

924
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: Burrow doesn't turn it over like Alan does.

925
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but boy, he's like a microprocessor in the pocket too.

926
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: Alan will be by two. But I think that's the

927
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: right tier.

928
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: And then one is obviously Patrick Mahomes.

929
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt.

930
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: But I think you know, with a good season this year,

931
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: or even a season like he had last year, Wilson Wilson.

932
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: Wilson throws twenty six touchdown passes, eight interceptions. He had

933
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 2: three thousand yards last year. So let's say he plays

934
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: all seventeen games, he finishes with thirty four to thirty

935
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: five hundred yards. Yeah, he's clearly a tear up.

936
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree. I think he. I'll be a little

937
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: let down if he isn't a tier up afecting him

938
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: to tear up this this offseason. The system, he's in

939
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: the running game where he's at in his career. By

940
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: all accounts, he looks spry and doesn't look shocked physically

941
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: by any stretch. Will a better feel in that camp,

942
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: and it's you know, three days of OTAs doesn't tell

943
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: your time with that kind of stuff. But yeah, I

944
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: would be shocked if he doesn't level up. I'm not

945
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: say he's go to the top ten, but you.

946
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: Know, again, that year, if that year, if that happens. Yeah,

947
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: the guys in that tier, the two us, the Goffs.

948
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: You know who else was in that tier? You had Purdy, Yeah, Lawrence,

949
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Love, Lawrence.

950
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: In Love are different than me than those other guys.

951
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they would.

952
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: They would be their own tier, like they could be

953
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: knocking on top five door.

954
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: But you can win with those guys. Yeah, you can

955
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: win a lot of games with those guys. You can

956
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: get the you can get the conference championship games with

957
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: those guys and perhaps win it.

958
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 3: We opened the show talking I think that's a segment

959
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: one seven and a half Steeler win loss win total

960
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: right now is Vegas. This we didn't make the line.

961
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: This is in Vegas. Hypothetically, the Steelers are the team

962
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: that signs Cousins and doesn't make the other quarterback moves

963
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: and every other pick, which wouldn't be the same, but

964
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: he has the exact same roster. You can just swap

965
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: out Fields and Wilson for Cousins. And we're getting all

966
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: kinds of good reports that he's healthy. Yeah, what's their

967
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: win total?

968
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Man? Like ten and a half?

969
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: That's right, man, Yeah, that's kind of the point. Like

970
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: can Wilson do the Cousin stuff?

971
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely, he might be at this We don't again,

972
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: Cousins has a similar injury to what Rogers had.

973
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like we don't know these or maybe

974
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: you don't even use him. Example, if we just took

975
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: those two out and put Golf in, or take those

976
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: two out and put healthy Cousins in or whoever from

977
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: that tier two, the over undertow will be like ten

978
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: ten and a half. I'm not asking for Herbert, I'm.

979
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: Not asking what you're looking for, Yeah, right, just looking

980
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: for improved quarterback playing. That's to me.

981
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: Touchdown passes would be nice.

982
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: Touchdown passes scoring more points, allowing your pass rush to

983
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: play with some leads.

984
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely So. One thing about Wilson, I heard this

985
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: description just this morning on a podcast, and then I

986
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: think will improve is I forget? It was funny how

987
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: they phrased it, like he needs to work on his irons.

988
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: It's a lot of driver and it's a lot of potter,

989
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: you know, especially with his Denver time is a lot

990
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: he led the league and like throws ad her near

991
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and then there's bombs away. Yeah.

992
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 3: I think that's more scheme though, I mean, like it's never.

993
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: The thing is he showed he could still hit those

994
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: long balls.

995
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

996
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: He was one of the best in the league last

997
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: year thro the deep.

998
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 3: And the issue is the league is giving you fewer

999
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: and fewer good deep ball opportunities. But if you run

1000
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: the ball like they think he can, teams aren't gonna

1001
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: live in too high.

1002
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: You're gonna see Yeah, yeah, you're gonna see it. You're

1003
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna get those.

1004
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: I was over there, but yeah, you know, one serious

1005
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: weapon and the run games what everyone's dedicated to. The

1006
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: deep shots are gonna be. They're not gonna take those

1007
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: from you, and we'll see how they come out. But

1008
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: I like the chances.

1009
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he is Matt Williams and I am Dale Welle.

1010
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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

1011
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Speaker 2: That's going to do it for our number one. We'll

1012
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Speaker 2: be back with our number two of the drive right

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