1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where this is definitely not the 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: least favorite thing Ian Rappaport is going to do today. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I am talking to rap Sheet, 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: the number one insider of the game, a man I 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: would not mess around with or ever question his information, 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: whether in a Starbucks or. 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: A pizza, or a coffee bean or a Duncan Dunants 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: or anything else. 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Ian, thank you for joining us on a busy mini 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: camp Tuesday. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, actually busy. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 4: I mean it's June tenth, and like there's actually things 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 4: going on, which you know is a rarity this time 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: of year, but kind of the last blip before we 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 4: all go away for the summer. So yes, we got 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 4: some things. 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will get to who's showing up who's not. 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: But I did want to kind of answer anyone wondering 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: what I was referring to off the top. You have 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: a colonoscopy later today, and for you to do this 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: show and do all the NFL Network stuff today shows 22 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: what an incredible professional you are. But if you're a 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: little irritable, it's because you haven't been able to eat, 24 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, in a while before that. 25 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: So yes, I have drank I have drank soup. Clear 26 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 4: soup is all I'm allowed. But I mean it is 27 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 4: what it is. Everyone our age needs to do it, 28 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 4: so all good. 29 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: I'm annoying. 30 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: Oh man, I've done it before. 31 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: That that juice they have you drink, that's that's a whole. 32 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: That's a problem. 33 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about happier things. Contract hold out. So this 34 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: is the big news on June tenth is who's showing 35 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: up who's not. And we're taping this on the West 36 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: Coast morning, and we already know basically the big names 37 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: who are not showing up. And I want to just 38 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: kind of go through them one by one with you 39 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: and think about what this means long term for them. 40 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: TJ. 41 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Watt really stands out to me. He is not at 42 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Steelers training camp. This is what happened a few years 43 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: ago when he went through his contract negotiation. Where do 44 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: you think things stand with Watt and the Steelers? 45 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: You know, I would say, first of all, I do 46 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: think it gets done. Hard for me to imagine a 47 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: world where TJ. Watt does not finish his career with 48 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: the Steelers. Hard for me to magic a world where 49 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 4: he's not one of the higher paid defenders in the NFL, 50 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: it's really just a matter of how much. And this 51 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: edge market is like a little bit in fluxtion. You know, 52 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: you have the Miles Garrett deal, which is, you know, 53 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 4: really big deal, massive deal right around the time of 54 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 4: free agency, and then you know you'll have all the 55 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: guys who are sort of clamoring to get as much 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: or close to that or more. 57 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: Now that's that's really the question. Like if you're TJ. 58 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 4: Watt and you know Miles Garrett got forty million, but 59 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: there's definitely some you know, big numbers in the back 60 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: end of that deal. It's a great deal for him, 61 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 4: but certainly some numbers in the back end. How close 62 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: to that deal you're willing to get. Does it have 63 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: to be forty point five or can like a nicely 64 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: structured thirty six million dollar, thirty seven million dollars thirty 65 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: eight million dollar deal. I mean, these are all the questions, 66 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 4: you know. 67 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: And so you have TJ. 68 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: Watt sitting out with no deal yet, just like you 69 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 4: have Micah Parsons. You know he's at manager in minicamp, 70 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 4: but no deal yet. Trey Henderson, no deal yet. A 71 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: lot of times when the market is in fluction, you're 72 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: waiting on deals. That causes delay as much as anything else, 73 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: because guys just you don't really want. 74 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: To be the first one because then everyone leap frogs 75 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: you after that. 76 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: It's a good call, and it makes me think about, 77 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, another Browns contract that gave other teams problems 78 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: around the league, that Shaun Watson contract. I'm not saying 79 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett's contract is to that level. Obviously, we don't 80 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: expect Miles Garrett to fall off, although he is an 81 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: aging defensive end and usually wouldn't get a big deal 82 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: like that. But I do wonder if the leverage that 83 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: Garrett had in that situation, them not wanting to let 84 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: him go he you know, wanting to get traded at 85 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: that time, is almost creating problems for the rest of 86 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: the league because that was a bigger deal I think 87 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: for Garrett than I expected the Browns to give him 88 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: at this point of their career. I thought they might 89 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: actually think this is a good time to trade him. 90 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: We could get something good for him. They decided not to, 91 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: maybe because how dark everything else is in Cleveland. 92 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting because you know, they 93 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: could have gotten a ton of picks just a boatload 94 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: for him, you know, with the goal of saying, like 95 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: if you're going to trade Miles Garrett, first of all, 96 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 4: you're rebuilding immediately, You're rebuilding. Whatever happens, whatever you get, 97 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 4: trade Miles Garrett indicates your rebuilding. The only reason you 98 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: do that is if you say, like, I need number 99 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: one picks for next year because next year I'm going 100 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: to take a quarterback, so I'm getting future. 101 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: Ones to load up for a quarterback. Okay, well they 102 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: did that. They didn't trade Miles. 103 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 4: Garrett, they paid him, but they did in the draft 104 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 4: when they moved from from two to five. So like 105 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 4: that to me was probably the decision. It was like, 106 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 4: if we're going to sign Miles Garrett, they give him 107 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: a lot of money, where are we going to get 108 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: the extra picks from. Okay, it's going to be going 109 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: from two to five. So that's kind of how they 110 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 4: handled it and hopefully, you know, put themselves in a 111 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 4: position to take a quarterback. 112 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: But I think, look, it's a big number. 113 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: You know, Miles Garrett's leverage was he didn't want to 114 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 4: be there and said he wanted to get traded, and like, 115 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 4: you know, if you're a team, want to call his bluff. 116 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: You want to force one of your best players into 117 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: an awkward situation of daring him, of daring him, you 118 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: can do it. You can definitely do it. It's not 119 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 4: always pretty, and everyone notices. So they opted for the 120 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 4: easier solution, which is just pay. 121 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: Him a lot of money. He's going to be worth it, 122 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: but it definitely made the market take a little bit 123 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: of a jump. 124 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Well, and you're paying these guys and why is in 125 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: a similar situation. Hendrickson's in a similar situation. Max Crosby 126 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: just got paid huge money when he wasn't even close 127 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: to a contract year and they just keep giving him 128 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: big raises, and so you're paying you know, it's a 129 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: little risky for pass production. They're getting towards the back 130 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: half of their career. Hendrickson is the one who is 131 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: also out of many camp and is maybe the biggest issue, 132 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: the biggest problem I think for the Bengals, because are 133 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: they really going to pay him what it would seem 134 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: to require to pay him, which would be somewhere at 135 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: least in the vicinity of Max I Basically that he's 136 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: in that ball park of Miles, Garrett and Drew in 137 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: that it's maybe two and a half years of good 138 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: guaranteed high you know whatever, it's going to be thirty 139 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: five plus, you know, guaranteed money per year for two 140 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: or three years. 141 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know that he needs to beat Max 142 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: Crosby to get a deal done, Like I think that's 143 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: probably the target. I don't know that he needs to 144 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 4: beat Max to get a deal done. I think it 145 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 4: needs to be kind of in that vicinity, in the 146 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 4: you know, probably thirty plus range. And you know, the 147 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: overall average per year is important. It's always important. I 148 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: think security is probably as important. So, you know, Trey 149 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 4: Hendrickson seems to me like he's fighting for you know, 150 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: multiple years, not just the overall number. He wants guarantees 151 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 4: through twenty twenty five into twenty twenty six, maybe beyond. 152 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: It's not really the kind of thing the Bengals do. 153 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: They make up for it in other ways. They give 154 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: you big upfront cash numbers, for instance. But what he 155 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: wants is to go through next year, not say is 156 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 4: the team gonna move on for me? Am I gonna 157 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: be cut? I think it's fair. I think his ask 158 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: is fair. I think it's gonna happen. I think doing 159 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: things like moving on from Jermaine Pratt. Probably help just 160 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: hasn't happened quick enough for his liking. 161 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: And yet they don't have their first round pick signed either. 162 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: SamArt Stewart is they're at camp, but he's not practicing 163 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: and just feels like it's always something with the Bengals 164 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: and that they could have potentially avoided this with Trey Hendrickson. 165 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: Of these pass rushers, Micah who is at camp to 166 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: be clear, and we'll see how much he does. 167 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: Probably the expectation is that he doesn't do that much. 168 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: What do you who do you think of the pass rushers? 169 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 1: Maybe goes on the longest and is the biggest issue 170 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: going into August. 171 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I think Mike has probably last. If I 172 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: had to guess, I would say, you know, my thought 173 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: is he should be the highest. I think that makes sense. 174 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: And if you're going to be the highest, you got 175 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 4: to be the last. And so I don't sense a 176 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: ton of urgency on his standpoint. From his standpoint, it's like, 177 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: no big deal, Everyone do your thing. Like Cowboys signed 178 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: Dak two hours for a kickoff last year, like it 179 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 4: got done. 180 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: I don't know that it goes there this time. 181 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: But that's smart though, Like is that good business? Like 182 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: why why are these teams doing this? Like didn't they 183 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: see what happened with the forty nine ers, for instance, 184 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: last year and think like maybe that was part of 185 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: why things didn't work out for Brandon Ayuk and different 186 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: things like that, Like stretching it out is not good business? 187 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, but if you're a player, why would 188 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: you want to take a deal now? 189 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: You know there's not a lot of deals being done now. 190 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 4: So like if I'm my if I'm Micah Parsons and 191 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 4: I'm confident that I'm gonna be okay health wise, and 192 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: even if I'm not, I'm going to come back sooner 193 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: rather than later, you know, why would. 194 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: You take a deal early? Like what could they offer 195 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 3: you to make you take a deal now? 196 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 4: Because you know that the very next thing that's going 197 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: to happen is for TJ Water whoever to be Like 198 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 4: that's my new target, So it makes sense, you know, 199 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: doing you last now. Dak was different because he was 200 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: going to be the highest paid no matter what, and 201 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 4: his leverage was really like I'm just gonna go be 202 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: a free agent. But for a lot of these guys, 203 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 4: it's like you know, it doesn't help them to do 204 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: it early, so teams have to overpay early to get 205 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: it done early, like the Browns did with with Miles Garrett, 206 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: and that's going to save them some money. 207 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: But it did make the market jump a lot. 208 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: M Terry McLaurin also not at mandatory mini camp. This 209 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: happened with him three years ago. How do you see 210 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: that going? 211 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: What's funny about that? I read that this morning? Did 212 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: this happened with him three years ago? 213 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 4: I didn't even remember that, not neither I tracked this 214 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: as much as anyone. 215 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: I did not remember that he set out. 216 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 4: That's kind of, you know, with all due respect to 217 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: these guys who are taking hard stances, that's kind of 218 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: where this goes. 219 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: It's mandatory mini camp June. 220 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 4: There's not a ton of people besides the hardcore fans 221 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: paying like that that close attention right now. 222 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: You want to make sure your team's okay. 223 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: But like it's June tenth, so like whether or not 224 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: a player practices for a couple of days, Like I 225 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: don't get the sense teams really care about this. It's 226 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 4: just a sign, like all right, this player is gonna 227 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 4: take a hard line, Okay, mcclaurin's deal is hard. He's 228 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 4: a great player, he's been a face of this franchise. 229 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 4: He has been kind of one of the mouthpieces of 230 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 4: this of this franchise for a while. And where who's 231 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: his comp Like should he make in the thirties? Should 232 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: he be ceedee lamb? 233 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: No? 234 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: Like should he be you know? T Like where what 235 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: is his comp like? Who who is just like him? 236 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's really hard because he is fast, 237 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 4: size wise, he's not the biggest. He's been really productive 238 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: when he's had a quarterback and looks like he's going 239 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 4: to be you have a really good year, but he's 240 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: a little bit older. Like these are hard deals to do, 241 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: and like I'm looking at it and if you like 242 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: usually if you say, like this guy should be paid 243 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: like this other guy who's just like him statistically, it's like, 244 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: that's not that hard. 245 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: I don't know who Terry mclaurin's compass. That's a challenge, hmmm. 246 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: I mean numbers wise, the injury messes it up. Like 247 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: Chris Godwin isn't like a crazy, crazy one different sort 248 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: of player, but he is turning thirty years old. I 249 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: think he gets a premium because He's been one of 250 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: the pillars of an organization that struggled and kind of 251 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: an example of like this is who we want to be. 252 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: This is mister Washington, this is mister commander. 253 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: So I would do, if you're the new regime, do 254 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 4: you go, well, thank you for taking the bolts for 255 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: the old regime. We're now going to give you a 256 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 4: couple more million dollars just because of that, or are 257 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 4: you like that has nothing to do with us, right, 258 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 4: I mean, like somewhere in between. I think it's probably 259 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: the answer. 260 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: But the very started floor, I would say, would be 261 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: like the DeVonta Smith Jalen Wattle deals. Now they're much younger, 262 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: but they were also a few years away from free agency. 263 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: But those are like high level number two receivers, and 264 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: Terry mclaurin's above that. 265 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: So I would say he'd have to be above that 266 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: before he accepts it. 267 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: But if he wants thirty, I mean that's you know, 268 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 4: would Wattle get Walla got thirty? 269 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: Right? 270 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: I think if you messed around with the numbers, it 271 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: wasn't that crazy in terms of the guaranteed money was definitely. 272 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: A stop below five right, right. 273 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: And T Higgins is an interesting comp there because even 274 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: though he's younger, Terry mclaurin's ultimately been a better player. 275 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know if I would accept less than that. 276 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: And they do get fined, you know, it's up to 277 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I guess one hundred thousand dollars for these mandatory mini 278 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: camps if they miss it. But the team can choose 279 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: to waive that, I believe, or it just doesn't really matter. 280 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to get some I. 281 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: Don't think so. I'd have to go back and check. 282 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 4: But you know you can add one hundred thousand dollars 283 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: onto a val doesn't make sense. 284 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: Yes, some other guys who are there aren't there today. 285 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: Johnny Smith is not with the Dolphins, so it looks 286 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: like he might get dealt right if nothing else, he 287 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: just wants a new contract. Jalen Ramsey is not there, 288 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: and I know you've reported is not necessarily expected to 289 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: be with the Dolphins. Kind of where do you see 290 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: those two situations? 291 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 3: Ramsey? First, Yeah, I don't expect him to be with 292 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 3: the Dolphins. I mean, the Rams make a lot of sense. 293 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 4: I think that's you know, he's had success there, the 294 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: relationship is good on both sides. You say to me, Like, 295 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 4: what makes the most sense to me? Jalen Ramsey landing 296 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: with the Rams is probably it. It's a hard deal to do. 297 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 4: He's do twenty one million dollars. He is a great, 298 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: great player, but he's doing twenty one million dollars. You 299 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: know at a team Like a lot of times, you know, 300 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 4: these teams, by the time you get to June, they've 301 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 4: paid what they're going to pay, Like they have some 302 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: budget budget for their own guys. Like I think if 303 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: you're the Rams, Karen Williams probably gets a new deal 304 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 4: at some point that makes sense, you know, but you know, 305 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: where were you planning to spend twenty one million dollars 306 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: in June? I think that's part of the problem. So 307 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 4: if the Dolphins will eat some of it, I think 308 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 4: you'd probably get a deal. They'd probably have to eat 309 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 4: a significant portion. But then if you're the Dolphins, you're like, wait, 310 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: why am I eating money to give a really good 311 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: player to another team? 312 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: Like what pick would be worth that? 313 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: And then if you're the Rams, that's like, well, you 314 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: have to trade him because he's obviously not showing up, 315 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 4: So like, why. 316 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: Are we giving a good pick like this? 317 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: I'm just explaining why these deals are such a challenge 318 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: to do. You say, like, oh, well, obviously Jialan Ram's 319 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: gonna end up with the Rams. It's like, well, coming 320 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: up with the value is is hard. Johnah Smith wants 321 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: more money. I would be surprised if he got traded. 322 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked, but I'd be surprised. He wants 323 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: a lot of money. Had a good year, really good year, 324 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: best year of his career, so like, this is the 325 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: time to maximize. But if you're the Dolphins, it's like, well, right, 326 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: but this is why we signed you to like a 327 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: two year contract. 328 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: So have you under contract for two years? So I 329 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: see it from both sides. 330 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice at Mike McDaniel's press conference today, 331 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's asked about it, and he just doesn't 332 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: seem to be having as much fun as he used to. 333 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Let's listen to what McDaniel said when asked about these 334 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: guys who weren't there. 335 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: Just confirmed Jalen Ramsey not here. 336 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 5: Oh he's not here. That would We are focused on 337 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 5: building the Dolphins today and anything outside of that would 338 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 5: any any sort of distractions. I'm not focused on. 339 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: He has taken this long to find a resolution. 340 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 5: I don't personally, and I would lump you into this 341 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 5: with me. I don't give it about what I feel. 342 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: Like. 343 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 5: I'm not. I don't even really go down that road 344 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 5: of how do I feel about it? 345 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: My job is to. 346 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 5: React and control my controllables and make sure that people 347 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 5: are moving in one direction appropriately. 348 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: How do you how do you think Mike McDaniel is 349 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: doing right now? Because it's June and he doesn't seem 350 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: like I don't know, there's just a lot going on 351 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: with Miami. 352 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Last year was not an easy year for him. 353 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: He was talking about ta today and just saying how 354 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: important it is to keep TUA on the field. Just like, 355 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: how do you view this entire Miami situation right now? 356 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: You know, I think it's probably been a challenge. 357 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: I mean, Mike McDaniel came in, as you know, one 358 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 4: of the kind of hot young coaches, really creative, cool 359 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: dude talks, cool, dressed with cool, kind of a fan 360 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: favorite a little bit, and you know, has. 361 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: Had some success. 362 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: But I think it's fair to say, like, not the 363 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 4: wins everybody has expected or wanted, right, it hasn't hasn't 364 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: really happened playoff wise for them, and they spend a 365 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: ton of money on some really big time players like 366 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 4: Tyreek and Waddle, and Chubb is making a lot of money, 367 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: and two is making a lot of money, and Ramsey, 368 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: you're right, I mean, a lot of guys making a 369 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: lot of money and not a lot of wins. So 370 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: I think if you're you know, if you're Mike McDaniel, 371 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 4: you probably know. And he signed a little extension before 372 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 4: last year which gave him some security last year, but like, 373 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 4: you know, you probably know you got to deliver this year. 374 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 3: And it's it's all the things. 375 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: It's Ramsey, you know, you guys and the Dobblins and 376 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: Ramsey coming to a point where you're like, all right, 377 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 4: it's best we part ways. Well it's like, all right, 378 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: well last year he was a huge part of our team. 379 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: We paid him again, and now he wants, you know, 380 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 4: he's sort of planning to be out. 381 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 3: It's like, uh, hold on one second, all right. 382 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: As we're taping, Ian has to stop down and report 383 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: the big job s Oliver contract with the Vikings. I 384 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: just love seeing how the sausage is made through the 385 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: magic of editing. Our our listeners will never be the wiser. Also, 386 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: Shaq Thompson, the former Panther, you know, a long time 387 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: great Panther, finds a familiar home with Sean McDermott, who 388 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: is with Carolina, And of course. 389 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 3: I was that's some interesting depth. 390 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 4: Oh interesting, you know, Mat Milano, short of the injury situation, 391 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 4: you wonder about, like obviously Shaq Thompson wonder about to 392 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: It's probably a cheap deal. 393 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: He's a good leader. I kind of like that deal. 394 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: I like that too. Give him another chance. 395 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: I know he's getting older, but maybe less is more 396 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: with him if he's coming off the bench or fewer snaps. 397 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: Definitely a leader for them. You mentioned Michael Parsons showing up. 398 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs was also there. The one other player showing 399 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: up on Tuesday that interested me was Kirk Cousins. It's 400 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: kind of a reminder, Oh yeah, like he's still on 401 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: the falcons. Like do you do you think that ends? 402 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: At some point? Is this awkward? Like how how is 403 00:18:59,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: this going? 404 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: You know? 405 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 4: I sort of think that the Cousins thing goes where 406 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: it's always gone and where I've always thought it's headed, 407 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: which is nowhere. I mean to me, it's weird because 408 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: Like I remember during the season, I talked about how 409 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 4: the Falcons had no plans to you know, trade Kirk Cousins, 410 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: no plans to release release Kirk Cousins, and they could 411 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 4: even see him as their backup this year. And I 412 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 4: remember everybody thinking I was crazy, and I kept being like, 413 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 4: why is this crazy? They already paid him, Like if 414 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 4: they cut him, they just pay him anyway. 415 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: If he stays. 416 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: He's one of the best backups in the NFL, So like, 417 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 4: why would you cut him? Right, Like, the only thing 418 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 4: you really care about is what if your starter gets injured? 419 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: That's it, that's it. 420 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 4: The only thing that matters is do you have a 421 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 4: backup quarterback that can keep you alive if something bad 422 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 4: happens to your starter? And like, I know Cousins wants 423 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 4: to be a starter. Obviously did not play well last year, 424 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: but he's a great backup. You know, you paid him 425 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 4: ninety million dollars. Is gonna be one hundred million dollars 426 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 4: Like okay, So he doesn't want to be the backup, 427 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: Like okay, you're not gonna get back any of the money. 428 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: You're not gonna get back any of the money. He's 429 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: your backup that's it. I don't really see anything wrong 430 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 4: with that. 431 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 3: Anything. Everyone will be okay with it. 432 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on if he wants to be 433 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: a pain. You know, he hasn't been at voluntary work. 434 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: I know that on paper, that's not like Kirk Cousins' mo. 435 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: But this is a young quarterback. You just might not 436 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: want to deal with it. I think in their perfect world, 437 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback carousel would have aligned differently and they would 438 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: have gotten a decent offer. 439 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: But that didn't happen, right, But like, I don't even 440 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, if someone was going to take ten 441 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 4: million dollars off him, I think they would have been 442 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 4: okay with it. 443 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: And they still might. 444 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 4: Like some starter goes down in training camp, that's everyone's 445 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 4: first call, right, So Robot, yes, maybe somebody saves the Falcons. 446 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 4: They say, are I'll pay ten million dollars for a 447 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: bridge starter and a draft pick, Like now we're talking. 448 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 3: But like again, what if Pennix gets injured? This is 449 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: team it's built to win. Now. 450 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 4: They should be good enough to win this division or 451 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 4: at least be you know, in competition to win the division. 452 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: What if your starter gets it gets injured? 453 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Fair a couple more things with you. I saw you 454 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: on McAfee and you know, you do a great job there. 455 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: And he's asking about Aaron Rodgers and you mentioned how 456 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. The contract comes out, he takes ten million 457 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: base and like thirteen million dollars with incentives, and you say, 458 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, you know Tom Brady 459 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: took less and Breeze took less. It kind of makes 460 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: sense Rogers is taking less because of the team around him. 461 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: My question would be is he really taking less or 462 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: did he just not have any other options? And this 463 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: level of compensation reflects his play last year. 464 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 4: I would say this, he doesn't have to accept this. 465 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: Like if you're the Steelers, you don't say to Aaron Rodgers, like, 466 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: all right, we love you, you're our starter. We're just 467 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 4: gonna pay you as little as possible. We good on 468 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 4: ten guaranteed thirteen a week because you didn't really play well. 469 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: He might have just said, like, cool, I'll see you later. 470 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to the beach, like that's it. So like, 471 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: if you're the Steelers and you're trying to sign Aaron 472 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 4: Rodgers to a contract, the way you negotiate it is this. 473 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 4: It's very simple, what would you play for? We would 474 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 4: like to sign you. We don't have a ton of money. 475 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: It's June. What would you play for? 476 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: Now? They did this deal earlier, But I'm just saying. 477 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: Like what would be okay, twenty, okay, thirty, thirty would 478 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: have been okay, Like it's what would you play for? 479 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: Because you know, would there have been competition? Yes, if 480 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers was willing to play for a team that 481 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 4: was not very good, then I think there would have 482 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 4: been a lot of competition and he would have been 483 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 4: able to earn into the thirties, probably into the forties. 484 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: But wow, for woo from anyone who wants a quarterback. 485 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: There's not that many that many teams out there. I 486 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: guess Indianapolis that there are now. 487 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 4: But like I'm not this is not reporting. Okay, we're 488 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: having a discussion. This is not reporting. I have to 489 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: say this for the aggregators who steals stuff anyway without 490 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: even caring. 491 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: But whatever, let's see. 492 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Climb In is the worst. You're the worst mL Football 493 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: also terrible. They can aggregate that it's it's not from you, 494 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: it's from me. 495 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: They all feel all the time. It's literally but they're 496 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 3: just bad. 497 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: At it like rote A World is an aggregator too, 498 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: but we had a code. 499 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: Try to do it the right way. You give the credit, 500 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: you do the thing. You know. Anyways, they're terrible. 501 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 3: Sorry, that's me talking Steve Thieves. 502 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 4: Anyway, it's true anyway. So let's say you're the Titans. 503 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 4: You you love cam Ward, you know you're going to 504 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: take him. You don't want him to start, Like, who's 505 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 4: bad for signing Aaron Rodgers? He has land in Nashville. 506 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 4: I don't know if he actually is a home, but 507 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: he has land in Nashville. Having Aaron Rodgers come in 508 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: for thirty five million dollars and be your starter, taking 509 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 4: all the pressure off Kim Woard makes sense right to me. 510 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: I don't know that he would do that because they 511 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 4: don't have a chance to win. Like there's other teams, 512 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: Like that's just one example. I mean I could if 513 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 4: I look at the thing, I could probably go through 514 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: several teams. Could have used a future Hall of Famer 515 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 4: who could come in and be at very very worst 516 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 4: and above average starter. I think he could have gotten 517 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: a lot more money, but you take less because at 518 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 4: some point, and I said this. 519 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: On mcavee, and they kind of all laughed. 520 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 4: I really think he's been uncomfortable recently making so much money. 521 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: Like he has an agent who negotiates, so they helped 522 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 4: and Dave Donnard does a very good job, has always 523 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 4: gotten a lot of money for his clients. I feel 524 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 4: like Rogers at some point is like, maybe I shouldn't 525 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: make so much, so now he's not. 526 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 2: Making Okay, I'm not going to laugh at that. 527 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: The only thing I would push back slightly on is 528 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: he's just not in the same part of his career 529 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: that Breeze and Brady were because his level of play. No, 530 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: because Brady was playing at an MVP level. Breeze had 531 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: a terrible last year, but even going into that last year, 532 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: he was still playing at a high level. So his 533 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: last contracts that he signed, he always stayed as a 534 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: top ten type of quarterback. 535 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: The thing I think that's gotten. 536 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: Lost concept how about paid Manny took a ten million 537 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 4: dollar pay cut or whatever it was, Yeah, before last. 538 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: Year, but he also, until that very last year and 539 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: then he retired, stayed at an extremely high level. The 540 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: thing I think it's gotten lost in this whole Aaron 541 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: Rodgers mix is he has not been at that level 542 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: I would say he was a average to below average 543 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: starter his last year in Green Bay, then he tore 544 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: his achilles, and then last year he was somewhere. 545 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: You know, he was below average. 546 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: And if he, let's say, wins nine or ten games, 547 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: he will be the second quarterback in history to be 548 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: this old and win that many games in a season, 549 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: the only other one being Tom Brady. The history is 550 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: not great for guys at this age playing at a 551 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: high level. I just don't think he did last year. 552 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's part of it too. The last 553 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: thing I'll hit you with, you don't even have time 554 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: for the mailbag, so we'll skip that. Anthony Richardson, your 555 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: friend of me from many years ago in Boston, Albert Breer, 556 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: I believe, reported he's getting a second opinion. First of all, 557 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: how's your relationship with Bert? 558 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: These days? You guys would really go at it. 559 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: You were climbing the corporate ladder at the same time, 560 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: and he reported that Anthony Richardson, you know, was getting 561 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: a second opinion on the shoulder. 562 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: First comment on Breer, I. 563 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 3: Think he's a good friend of mine. 564 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 565 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: I just remember you guys were both in Boston. You 566 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: both wanted to be national. I even I was at 567 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk at the time. You were trying to 568 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: like get your clips onto Pro Football Talk. You were 569 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe trying to get jobs like nationally. You're asking if 570 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: we knew and I could see these two. He then 571 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: went to Dallas. You had to like separate at one 572 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: point because only. 573 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 4: We could win Dallas first and then Boston then NFL. No, 574 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 4: it's funny, so like we competed hard. He was always 575 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 4: a rival in Boston, but we were also friends, and 576 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 4: like I was not friends with everyone on the beat, 577 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 4: like I'm friends with Mike Greese now, but like we 578 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: were cordial, but I would not say we were friends 579 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 4: at the time. 580 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: Chalise, What does that say about you? 581 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 3: Though? 582 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: Because he is such a good guy, you know, Mike Greese, 583 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: So that I mean, if you can't be friends with him, you. 584 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: Know I could have been. I just wasn't. Like at 585 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: the time. 586 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 4: I was kind of like this is how you you know, 587 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 4: and it wasn't just me, Like when you compete hard 588 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 4: for every piece of information, it's hard to be really 589 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: good friends. But Burt and I were friends, you know 590 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: that That's why, Like we were friends then we're friends now. 591 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: We still compete, we're we're friends and like you know, 592 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: it was a it's a good to realize that you 593 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 4: can compete really hard with someone and still be cordial 594 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: or too friendly with them and it doesn't really matter. 595 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson thing I would say this, like everything out 596 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 4: of India has been. He's fine, He's going to be 597 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: fine for training camp. It's the same shoulder, it's the 598 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 4: same specific body part after he had surgery on a 599 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 4: year where he's got to go out and perform. 600 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: It's not great. It's not great. 601 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 4: I don't know it's going to be the outcome. I 602 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 4: know every rep is important. I think for Daniel Jones, 603 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: you know, getting all the reps during mandatory mini camp 604 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 4: like that's it certainly paves the way for him to 605 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: be very much in the mix for training camp and 606 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 4: and you know, we'll see what happens to Richardson. It's 607 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 4: been I'm sure frustrating for many in the Colts building. 608 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: But this is a reading. 609 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 4: You signed someone like Daniel Jones in case something like 610 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 4: this happens, or in case he just in case he 611 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 4: just wins. 612 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and hopefully they get the Daniel Jones from you 613 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: know before that neck injury, because man, it's it's worrisome 614 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: that he that he needs a second opinion, that it's 615 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: the same shoulder that's been the problem before. 616 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: Hold on, everyone should get a second opinion, like I 617 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 4: don't know that he quote unquote needs one. Everybody should 618 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: get one because team doctors are awesome, but they work 619 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: for the team. 620 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: Everyone should get a second opinion. 621 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: That that's absolutely fair. 622 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: And I like how you not only get the news 623 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: with rap sheet, but you get some lessons in life 624 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: in terms of competition and friendship. 625 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: You have, you have matured over the years. Ian, we 626 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: all have. We're getting old. 627 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: Good job by you, as my coln oscaby shows. I'm 628 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 3: getting old. 629 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: I know because I'm amazed you could do thirty minutes 630 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: because when I drank that liquid, I wasn't sitting anywhere 631 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: for thirty straight minutes that day. 632 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 2: That was trouble. That was trouble. 633 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 3: I haven't I haven't done it yet. I take it 634 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: a little later. I actually have it tomorrow. So the 635 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: prep starts in like an hour or so. 636 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: So well, good luck to you with that. You're going 637 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: to need it, all right. Thank you to Ian. Great 638 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: job by him on a tricky day. We will be 639 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: back later this week. We got Jordan rodrig Patrick Clayband, 640 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: a lot of mini camps, a lot of teams ending 641 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: the off season, and yes, when we're talking about you know, 642 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: rap sheet getting a colonoscopy, I guess football is back. 643 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: I don't really know.